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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: In response to RickyB's thread

« on: July 01, 2009, 05:20:10 PM »

I actually came up with a hypothesis a while back involving a rotating Flat Earth, which would counter the gravitational influence towards the centre of a finite Flat Earth with a gravitational field (the branch of FET I believe in). I do not remember the details; but it serves as one possible explanation.

The fact that RET accepts MASS as the reason why we experience gravity is their flaw, and therewith, untrue.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Travelling East to go West.

« on: July 01, 2009, 05:12:30 PM »

The fact that RET accepts MASS as the reason why we experience gravity is their flaw, and therewith, untrue.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.

« on: July 01, 2009, 05:08:52 PM »

The problem is that FET is so complicated, with one thing like the UA being needed to explain gravity and then another theory having to be bolted onto that to explain how the sun and moon stay up and then you have to invent a reason for the air staying in and how the orbits vary in some special way to make seasons, etc. It just goes on and on with endless kludges being made to the theory each time someone finds a bug in it.

FET has more patches than MS Windows.

The fact that RET accepts MASS as the reason why we experience gravity is their flaw, and therewith, untrue.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 09:03:15 AM »

Thanks its been fun!!!

Will check in later for more fun!!!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 09:01:45 AM »

g = gravitational force
a = acceleration
v = velocity

You agree gravitational force is equivalent to accleration.
a=g
You previously posted a definition of acceleration, so I assume you would agree that acceleration is a change in velocity.
a=change in v
change in v=g
change in v≠change in g

((a=change in v)) -- correct!
 
((change in v=g)) -- incorrect!

change in v=change in g

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 08:56:42 AM »

Velocity is speed with direction.
Acceleration is change in velocity/speed.
If the change in speed is held constant, that is uniform acceleration.

You said: acceleration = change in velocity/speed -- Therefore not uniform/constant.

@Nevermind,
You can't feel velocity. You feel acceleration.

Yes of course you can feel it. You may become accustomed to that feeling. But you still felt it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 08:52:20 AM »

No, I believe its exactly how it was expressed, unless of course you can corroborate your claim with evidence.

What's this? I need to provide evidence that your statement of Newton's third law of motion is wrong, when you haven't provided any evidence that it is correct? No thank you. Please provide some evidence that your statement is correct or admit that your entire argument is flawed.

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/newton.html

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newton3laws.html

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 08:48:57 AM »

But then they are faced with the magical force acting on FE (pushing it up) that they will have too deal with.

Too?

Whose English is crap now, then?

I used it correctly. I learned my grammar. Too bad you didn't. LOL

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 08:41:48 AM »

A constant accelaration requires a constant force you stubborn little moron![/b]You are very dumb, so please go away and do not come back - ever!

Look!

Here is a web-site which shows you the maths behind "constant acceleration":

http://www.mathcentre.ac.uk/resources/leaflets/mathcentre/mechanics/em1_9.pdf

Thanks for editing that reply, you showed strength. Name calling is a sign of weakness. Delete it completely!!!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 08:38:17 AM »

"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"

This is not the formal statement of Newton's third law of motion, but a colloquial oversimplification of it. If you are going to argue semantics, at least use the correct definitions of relevant theorems.

No, I believe its exactly how it was expressed, unless of course you can corroborate your claim with evidence.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 08:31:32 AM »

This is correct: gravitational force is equivalent to acceleration
acceleration is change in velocity

This is incorrect: A constant change in velocity, or a constant acceleration, would result in the equivalent of a constant gravitational force.
This is again correct: A constant velocity would have no acceleration which would be equivalent to no gravitational force.

The following should have read: "A constant change in velocity, or a constant acceleration, would result in the equivalent of a constant "changing" gravitational force."

Yes acceleration should be removed from FET in order to attain some sense of logic. But then they are faced with the magical force acting on FE (pushing it up) that they will have too deal with. Space being void of matter therewith you can only fall into a void, never be pushed up which of course there is answer to that as well, but let them figure it out!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 07:48:44 AM »

Newton's third law of motion does not relate to velocity in any way whatsoever. Having not received a satisfactory answer, I will ask you again, why do you say that a change in velocity would create a change in the gravity force?

Another chap who doesn't understand English.


 "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"

ve⋅loc⋅i⋅ty
1.    rapidity of motion or operation; swiftness; speed: a high wind velocity.

mo⋅tion
1.    the action or process of moving or of changing place or position; movement.

http://dictionary.reference.com/


I hope that the English language suffices in putting your misunderstandings to rest?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 07:34:00 AM »

Okay, let's simplify this to one short question.

Nevermind, why do you say that a change in velocity would create a change in the gravity force?

Assuming the FE is being pushed up which of course is ludicrous for space is void of matter and therewith you can only fall into the void the answer to your question my good lad is Newton's Third Law of Motion. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"

As this magical forces pushes FE up into the void the G's felt on earth would accelerate as the velocity changed.  

FET of acceleration is impossible.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 07:25:05 AM »

If the (magical) force acting on The Flat Earth (pushing it up) is constant ...

What makes them say its being pushed up?

If space is void of matter, then you can fall into the void, never be pushed up!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 07:19:37 AM »

That makes no sense, I'm afraid.

Yes of course, I wrote in English.

Look at your last sentence:

"the application of a constant force -- would result a change in gravity force"

If the (magical) force acting on The Flat Earth (pushing it up) is constant ...

Then the force that The Earth applies to you (pushing you up through your feet) will also be constant.

Yes and don't forget the operative word for FET; "Acceleration" (change in velocity) resulting a change in gravity force...

If a locomotive pushes a train of goods waggons then the force that the loco' applies to the first waggon will transfer all the way through the whole train from waggon to waggon (Newton's Third Law Of Motion? Every action has an equal and opposite reaction).

A locomotive isn't constantly "accelerating," FET is. And every action having an equal and opposite reaction would transfer that reaction as a greater force of gravity.

I really cannot think how to explain it any more simply ...

You can start with your spelling, its horrible.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 06:56:03 AM »

May I suggest that you refrain from becoming so sarcastic so early in your exchanges?

For if you do not you will, one day, be badly "flamed" by someone with a greater intelligence and better command of English than you.

Yes you may suggest it, and thank you for the compliments.

If an object with constant mass is caused to accelarate by the application of a constant force ...

Ok here is what you're saying.


If an object with constant mass -- like earth

is caused to accelarate -- change in velocity according to the English language

by the application of a constant force -- would result a change in gravity force.

Then Newton's Second Law Of Motion, force = mass x acceleration, says that it will accelerate with a constant accelaration.

Velocity will still change when accelaration is constant - as anyone who has taken an A-Level in Physics (as I have, grade A) will know.

" Velocity will still change when accelaration is constant "

And it is that change in velocity FET's down fall. Because since FET is based on acceleration producing gravity the change in velocity would constantly increase the force of gravity produced on earth.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 06:15:43 AM »

[You mean the rate of change of velocity. Quite frequently a constant I'm afraid...!

Ah true my good lad, but since FET is based on acceleration producing gravity the change in velocity would constantly increase the force of gravity.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 06:11:56 AM »

Acceleration can be and often is constant.

Not according to the English language, and since you are writing in English I suggest you use it correctly.

ac⋅cel⋅er⋅a⋅tion

1.    the act of accelerating; increase of speed or velocity.
2.    a change in velocity.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acceleration

The accelaration - the rate of change of velocity - is always the same.

OMG!!! "the rate of change of velocity - is always the same."

If its changing how could it remain the same? English, speak English!!!

And Einstein says that the two are equivalent (Equivalence Priniciple).

You couldn't possibly understand what Einstein said, Einstein spoke English!

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Flat Earth Debate / Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE-Theory.

« on: June 26, 2009, 04:41:37 AM »

The fact that FET accepts "acceleration" as the reason why we experience gravity is their flaw, and therewith, untrue.

The so-called "acceleration" would have to be constant. The definition of "acceleration" is the changing of velocity, therefore not constant.

Second, FET of constantly falling would result in a zero-gravity environment. Like in air-plane simulators.

http://www.incredible-adventures.com/zerog.html


And we're not falling upside down. That would be preposterous!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.

« on: June 25, 2009, 11:18:38 PM »

Constant acceleration is definitely possible.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/acons.html


here, educate yourself.

Educate me!

You can't even use a dictionary let alone are attempting to teach what you have yet to learn, physics.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.

« on: June 25, 2009, 11:07:58 PM »

Well then, if there isn't a constant velocity,  but there is a constant acceleration, we would feel it.

Hey are you retarded?

You have a dictionary link provided from the previous posts.  Acceleration cannot be constant. <<<-- (the black dot signifies a period)

Let me break it down for you.

Break it down for yourself. I hope other members on this forum aren't retarded as you. Constant acceleration, yeah right!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.

« on: June 25, 2009, 11:00:38 PM »

No, acceleration is the change in velocity.

0/10

Its still velocity, I never said it was constant, you did.

Eat your words.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.

« on: June 25, 2009, 10:57:28 PM »

No, acceleration is the change in velocity. Constant acceleration = constant change in velocity. Constant velocity = zero acceleration.

0/10

No, stop mincing words.

The definition of constant is unchanging (varying; uniform). Acceleration is the changing of velocity, therefore not constant.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.

« on: June 25, 2009, 10:42:51 PM »

You don't know the difference between constant acceleration and constant velocity do you?

An zero gravity simulator goes into free fall so it is no longer accelerating but going at a constant velocity.

Eat me.

Use a dictionary.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/%20acceleration

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.

« on: June 25, 2009, 10:35:49 PM »

"FET is creationism, nothing more."

The fact that FET accepts acceleration as the reason why we experience gravity is their flaw, and therewith, untrue.

How is that a flaw?

Well, I thought I made it pretty clear, and needed not say anything more.

Acceleration would first have to be constant, and second constantly falling (acceleration) would result a zero-gravity environment.

Like in air-plane simulators. And please don't come back saying we're falling upside down. That would be preposterous!

http://www.incredible-adventures.com/zerog.html

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.

« on: June 25, 2009, 09:10:23 PM »

"FET is creationism, nothing more."

The fact that FET accepts acceleration as the reason why we experience gravity is their flaw, and therewith, untrue.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why doesn't the air spill over the edges?

« on: June 25, 2009, 09:02:22 PM »

Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: the earth is NOT flat

« on: June 25, 2009, 08:59:49 PM »

Mass = Gravity is the FLAW in RE theory.