Quote from: turbonium2 on February 12, 2024, 01:34:21 AM

They will never admit it, they  have no integrity or honesty, just like those they defend.

Sadly, you cannot argue with them as an open, honest group. They are not honest or open, they make endlessly changing excuses after their previous ones were ripped apart.

It is like telling onr of Charles Mansons brainwashed people, or anyone in a cult, that their leader is a psychopathic nut. You cannot reason with them . If you showed them their leader stabbing an old woman to death on a street, and a freezer of chopped up body parts in his freezer, they’d tell you the video isn’t showing him, and the body parts are from a cadaver that he was doing scientific research on.

There are a million ways to come up with excuses for something. This example shows you how easy it is. That’s what the ball Earth zombies do all the time, they cannot answer the problems with valid explanations.

What I am doing is hoping that others may read these threads, with an open unbiased mind, and see the truth for themselves, by looking at all the REAL evidence.  I’ve seen some who read these threads on other forums who HAVE done so,and that’s what I’m trying to do as well, put the evidence out there for all to see, and decide for themselves, use their own brains and common sense

I'm not actually sure why I talk to them. I'm just hoping somewhere I can find a place with friends that have shared interests. And since I got to such a place and find instead a bunch of people antagonizing other people, I just talk to whoever might listen.

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Unlike you and Bulma, who are clearly quite willing to blatantly lie to prop up your fantasy, I have integrity. So I will not admit to such a blatant lie.

Yeah, I think you're right. JackBlack's "integrity" is too great to admit that a person looking at the facts more than casually is like "huh?!?"

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You are yet to show any fault with the RE model.

 I have. Several times. I've shown repeatedly how this doesn't work. Like Columbo suspects, you dispute the points without really addressing the cause of suspicion. Your "perfectly reasonable explanation" offers excuses to cover minor points, while the major logical problems go unaddressed. Indeed, just as the answers those suspects give lead to more questions, your answers don't provide anything satisfying. I had doubts when I first came here, and the more I've talked to people here, the more they solidified into unbelief.

Oh and neither of you drew that diagram I asked for. You know, how when then sun and moon are both in the sky but the sun casts light on the moon, even though the two of them look to be across from each other?



This sorta makes sense on a flat Earth, until you get that it really doesn't because phases. But on a round Earth, the sun is supposed to be farther away, mych bigger, and orbiting Earth is supposed to go around the sun. The size is wrong, the angle is wrong, and it's just a stupid model that doesn't match perceived reality.

And Data yet again tells us in bold that I'm debunked, practically screaming this. No, I'm not.
 "You are debunked." No, I'm not.

Its impossible to draw a diagram of so much going on, in a 2d drawing. How's that?