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« on: September 24, 2008, 11:13:15 AM »
Hi, all, first time post here.
I can't figure out how the RE people keep allowing themselves to be distracted - the point here is simple, and impossible to refute.
You FE'ers do acknowledge the speed of light, correct? I have personally verified it through repeatable experimentation in physics lab in college, so this is not subject to your direct observation nonsense. I assume at least one of you has done this, and can accept the speed of light?
OK, so the reflectors... it has been argued that they represent proof we were there - this is a distraction. Who cares, with relation to the FE/RE debate (I still chuckle every time I put those acronyms and words together!)? The point is this - you can bounce light off of the moon. By using nearly monochromatic lasers, you can identify those specific photons returning. It has been argued that the reflected light could be bouncing off of the moon's surface - again, who cares? I have done this, and the time it takes the light to return quite conclusively shows the surface of the moon to be 385,000 km away, give or take a few (literally, 3-6) centimeters.
Now, I, as well as hundreds of other non-conspirators, have personally experienced this at Apache Point.
Let me cut off a few flatworlders at the pass:
The technology used was completely familiar to me. I have built lasers myself, and tested them, and the equipment being used was most definitely a laser.
It has been argued that it would be quite difficult to aim a laser that precisely. This is both nonsense and irrelevent. At the distances involved, aiming a laser at a specific point on the moon is, by huge orders of magnitude easier than centering a star in the field of view, and I think we can all agree that we are able to point telescopes at stars with accuracy. Also, as stated earlier, who cares, for the sake of this argument, whether the light is being reflected off of the retroreflectors or the surface of the moon itself? That has no impact on the amount of time it takes for light to travel from a to b to a.
I have seen the 'through a medium' argument. There is no compound known to man that can slow light to the extent that would be necessary. Your argument is that somehow, light could be slowed so much that it would take it as long as it should take to travel 770,000 km to travel only 6000 miles.