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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 21, 2008, 10:49:39 PM »

Tom, you have this thing down pat....I have to apologize for my absence.  I know I started this argument w/ Thre3dee & Fpot.  And I should have manned up and finished it.  But you draw on infinitely more knowledge and expertise than I can possibly bring to the table....

I know that you don't need any praise, but these truths that you are presenting are right on....

The thing that these non-believers need to understand---and they already know this if they will just allow themselves---is that the truth is always hard to swallow.  And most of the time it doesn't feel good at first.  But once it is digested, it is the most beautiful thing in the world....It is the lies that go down so smoothly and feel so good in the beginning....And they keep feeling good until you realize that you've been had....

Thank you Mr. Bishop

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 21, 2008, 06:28:13 PM »

To all the non-believers out there in never-never land....If you got something to say, just say it.  I can take the abuse.  Throw the daggers all you want to.  Get it outta your system please.  We can trade "word" punches all night long if it makes you feel good. 

But then, when you're done w/ trying to be a 'man' please present me w/ some kinda photo or something that we can have an intelligent debate over.  I keep asking for something, but nobody will soldier up and provide it.....I will provide, if you prefer, but I just didn't want anyone to think I might doctor 'em up....

However, once the debate is over and you are proven to be full of sh**, I am gonna have to hurt your feelings.....

I love you!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 21, 2008, 06:11:53 PM »

That is the age old question thre3dee.  What it is I do not know w/out going into religion.  I could tell you what my Bible tells me it is.  But, suffice is to say that it is there.  There is something that we cannot and will not get past high up there. 

And I know that sounds vague.  But in my humble opinion it is a much simpler truth than all the fascinating & exciting words NASA comes up with to perpetuate the lie to end all lies....

But I am positively sure we could exchange blows like this for hours & days on end....You will probably call me names and talk about how simple I might be for drawing these ridiculous conclusions.  And I most definitely will hurt your feelings and show you how gullible you most certainly are for believing in your NASA religion....

So, without further ado, why don't you pony up & present me w/ a photo which you believe to be a genuine article.  And I will show you why I think this is not the case.  Then we can have a proper debate....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 21, 2008, 05:33:40 PM »

thre3dee, I do appreciate your enthusiasm, but I will repeat that yes I do believe these "rockets" are going high up in the atmosphere.  But they are only going so far.

And by that I mean that there is only so far they can go.  Not because of technology, but because that is the way things are.  NASA can take all their fancy photos & they can edit them all they want to, but it does not change anything. 

Your "rocket" video proves that yes we can fly high.  I have no dispute with that.  We can go so high that yes we can see the blackness up there where the moon, sun & stars reside.  But there is a ceiling on that blackness thre3dee.  And NASA knows this, so they stay within it and make pretend they are in outer "space". 

I guess you & your buddy Fpot still believe in the tooth fairy too.  It's okay if it makes you feel secure at night....

P.S.---at least you did post a video.  I can't get Fpot to give me any photos to debate with him....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 21, 2008, 01:04:45 AM »

It seems as if Fpot was much more interested in attacking me than the subject at hand.....But it is okay.  His 'kind' burn out too quickly to bring anything substantial to the argument....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 21, 2008, 12:56:04 AM »

Okay, no alcohol this time.  Not yet anyways....

So, for starters, Messiah, I have no quibble w/ the actual launch.  This is most certainly happening.  Any fool could see this.  I'm with you there.
 
My problem is w/ where these "astronauts" are flying or "launching" to?  That is my concern. 

And as far as these photos?  Well I am game to break them down if you want to?  And I mean this in the best way possible, Messiah.  If I was rude  last night, I do apologize.  But seriously, please present me w/ a photo that you believe is a genuine article.  And I will show you why I think this is not the case....and why I think so?

Is that fair for starters?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 11:23:08 PM »

Hey Fpot, I am going to go make some coffee....I am hoping (crossing my fingers) that maybe you might give me something to stay up late working on???  If not, I understand....We will see....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 10:53:54 PM »

Dear Fpot,

     I did not ask you 'why' NASA would 'try' to go into "space".  I know that answer.  I said 'why' do 'you' believe they went into "space" & photographed earth?  In more plain terms, what convinces you they were successful?...See, I should have used more quotations & maybe you would have gotten the point.  I do appreciate your enthusiasm for this lesson though

                             your best friend, lifespan59

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 10:27:03 PM »

This might be so, because I feel like I have to put things in simple terms which is---what people can and cannot do in this life.  Some people feel so important w/ all their "technical" jargon.  At the end of the day, this 'jargon' is still 'jargon'.  And this 'jargon' cannot change the way things are, fpot. 

I know you feel like you are standing on such high & mighty ground w/ your NASA god.  You guys have accomplished so much in such a short time.  Hallelujah!

To the "rocket" point, I might add that these "rockets" went quite a bit more than 20 feet.  Even a bit more than 2,000 feet.  But you must believe what you must.  I can only point the way....

What is your reason for believing NASA went to "space" and photographed the earth?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 09:57:45 PM »

[/quote]
Pretty much the furtherest we can go at the moment is restricted by the amount of life support that can be contained on a manned vessel. What restrictions do you think are keeping us from exploring space?
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I am glad you asked fpot....The earliest attempts at "rocket" science proved just how far these "rockets" and by extension, humans, can or will ever go in "space"....But put a better way is how far humans can travel from the earth. 

Anyways, these "rockets" all shared the same fate.  Each one of them blew up when they reached these enormous altitudes.  Some reports had it that they disentegrated up there in the upper "atmosphere".  But we can just go w/ 'blew up' for now. 

The point being, that these "rockets" went as far as they could go.  They went further than NASA goes now, when they snap these earth "photos".  There is something up there that is impenetrable.  I have heard it called the 'Van Allen Belt' and maybe that is what it is.  Either way, no amount of technology is going to go past 'it'....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 09:44:41 PM »

Ah that makes perfect sense. NASA merely flew high and took a picture with a fish eye lenses. The rest of the earth is visible (just not with the fish eye view and edited in black) but they flew at a perfect height to make it a "round earth effect".

That's the way I see it Mr. Kepler.  I really believe NASA took some extremely high altitude flights---above the clouds and what not.  And from these lofty positions, they composed some very rigged photos.  

Maybe, they snapped the photos through 'this' particular window.  Maybe they didn't....


And maybe they 'blacked' out the surrounding part as you suggested.  Maybe they didn't.


Maybe they used a fish-eye lens to get this spherical effect.  Maybe they didn't.  

What they most certainly did not do & will never do is go to "space".  NASA knows it cannot engineer a "space" journey.  It is not even possible to us.  There is only so far that we can go up "there" and that is it....And no amount of "space" technology that we have now or will ever have is going to make a difference.  

Thank you Mr. Kepler for keeping an open mind  

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 07:25:53 PM »

I'm not quite clear on this "fish-eye photography" How does it only show 50% of the earth?

I think maybe you combined a few posts in that question....I had earlier, on another thread claimed that maybe this famous earth "photo" was possibly just a very high altitude picture taken through a fish-eye lens....



Instead of some great voyage to "space" as they would have us believe....

But, goldstein, would have none of this and promptly shot down this theory of mine....And I don't believe he said that 50% of the earth could be seen through fish-eye photography, but rather that one could only see 50% of the earth at any one time from outer "space"....

He went on to state that "Fish eye photography will not stop you seeing 100% of the subject, it will simply distort how the whole subject is seen."

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 03:47:52 PM »

"Not it's not possible, as I explained here.

Fish eye photography will not stop you seeing 100% of the subject, it will simply distort how the whole subject is seen.

Only 50% of the earth can ever be photographed at one time from space.

Therefore fish eye photography of a flat earth will not produce an image as seen from space"

---goldstein

Sir.  I already conceded to you the fish eye point on the last thread we spoke on.  In these posts, I am suggesting that the pictures in question could have been framed so that it 'looks' like a spherical "planet" drifting through "space".....

And I believe that to be proof of a conspiracy.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 02:49:03 AM »

It's hilarious, I know.  In fact, I'm laughing right now.....I could argue w/ you, Peleus.  In fact, I'm sure we would have a good time, back & forth, but the better part of valor is for me to only point you toward the truth. 

Take a look at the following photo, please:


And tell me if it is not possible that these photos are taken from a very high altitude through a circular window in the "spacecraft" and end up looking like this:


Just coincidence???  I think not!!!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 02:21:29 AM »

You should let Peleus defend his/her self.  He/she has all the questions---I mean answers....

Anyways.  If I am inebriated as you claim, you should be able to show me up w/ your fancy "photos".  Otherwise, don't bother because I suppose there are people on here who will at least 'try' to defend their stance on the suppos-ed spherical earth!....There has to be someone on here who can show we live on a "planet" in a "solar system"....

Come on....Step right up

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 02:04:35 AM »

You're the one claiming the earth is flat - prove it.

Is that what I'm doing?  Thank you, Peleus, for stating my declaration of purpose on this forum!  I'm so glad you're here to keep things coherent.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 02:01:17 AM »

O-kay!  That is fine....Obviously we will leave this on the table since no counter-offers are available.  Maybe one day you will give me something 'good' from your NASA god....Until then we will raincheck it!!!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 01:06:36 AM »

I know you did-not-just show me 4 consecutive photos of the suppos-ed "earth rise"?  Please, I know there must be more advanced weaponry in your arsenal than these hokey photos from 1969?....Come on now!  You can't bring a knife to a gunfight....Because even NASA and their 3rd grade education has improved since 1969.  But if this is all you have, then we will have to deal w/ it....

For starters, we will touch on the foreground.  The "moon".  The "moon", what a beautiful sight.  One small f*** up for man, one giant---that is a little bit much, I am sorry....Anyways, we will begin w/ the "moon".  Okay so why is it not bright & shiny like it is when I look at it from my front porch swing, 'Messiah on Fiah'?  What.  Does it become less bright the closer one gets to it?  Answer that one baby!!!

Also, what is the deal w/ the shadow on earth?  It doesn't correspond w/ the "moon" in the "photo".  It doesn't even match up in the least!  What the he** is causing the shadow to show like that?

Talk to me baby-licious!!!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 12:45:08 AM »

"How much of your life have you wasted, to not know the source of the photos? Search your self.

Example: Into google; 'earth from moon'.

A lie? Don't bring this around like a snake, I dont like going in circles. Its not a lie, and if these photos are lies, then prove it.

Thanks babylicious!"

---Messiah of Fire

To the first question, I have wasted way too much of my life.  Too much to count....But I have not yet wasted one single second on the truth.  But lies, well yes, they have consumed my time.  And I suspect they are consuming yours as well.  But you will get past them & see things for what they are very soon I suspect ....

And the snake you are referring to, he has a name & it is Lucifer. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 20, 2008, 12:16:55 AM »

"Until you describe and prove why the photos taken by NASA are fake, you can't use that argument. And just because a few photos have been edited to get a colour out of them by NASA workers doesn't mean that they made the pictures up from scrap/nothing. They actually went up there and saw what the earth looked like from the Moon.

Thanks though, babe!"

---Messiah of Fire

Describe & prove?  Well, that is a tall order isn't it.  Not really though.....Color, black & white.  Silent or talkies.  It doesn't matter.  A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.  Where do we start?...Bring them on---these "pictures"....But try to find a good one will 'ya.  Because time is money and the way things are going these days, I guess there's not much of either....

Show me what your NASA God has to offer up

 
 
 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of Conspiracy

« on: October 19, 2008, 10:52:18 PM »

Thank you for that Tom....I am fairly new to this forum & have only posted a few times, but I am also convinced the burden of proof lies squarely on anyone who believes that man has somehow entered "space" and photographed the earth from afar....

Do they not know?  Are most people not aware that the earliest attempts at "rockets" resulted in utter failure?  They launched them alright.  The "rockets" went up alright.  But they exploded mysteriously high up in "space"....Please.  Anyone worth their weight in gold would know that we can only go so high up.  And believe you me NASA knows this.  They know this all too well brothers & sisters.  Which is why they fly their "space ships" up high, high in the upper "atmosphere", but not too high, & take their precious photos of the great continents & oceans down here.  But do not be mislead, these "space ships" do not leave earth.  They cannot leave earth.  And they never will leave earth.  

Thank you Tom.  It is NASA who is pushing this science fiction.  But theirs is not even really that impressive.  For my money it is James Cameron.....

And please bring on the "pictures"....Because they can & will be dissected & broken down all night long like Lionel Ritchie....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Reasons for believing in FE?

« on: October 19, 2008, 03:44:06 PM »

"In the refinery picture you can see 100% of the refinery before the camera. Fish eye distortion only moves the data about.

In the earth photograph you can only see 50% of the earth. Fish eye distortion would not account for 50% loss in subject."

---goldstein


I will concede you those points for sure.  There's no argument from me on that.....Is it not conceivable though, that this picture of earth from 'space' is not merely a very high altitude picture snapped through a circular window of the 'spacecraft'?  Or just through a device making the image appear spherical?....

example:



making it appear as such:

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Reasons for believing in FE?

« on: October 18, 2008, 11:37:08 AM »

Care to comment?


I cannot with any reasonable certainty say that either one of those photos is the genuine article.  However, I believe it is fairly obvious to the discerning viewer that both photos are the results of a different camera lens.

2 more photos through a fish eye:
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm15/lifespan59/refinery-through-fish-eye_001259BS.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm15/lifespan59/earth.gif

Yes, I did see that youtube video....Or one just like it....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Reasons for believing in FE?

« on: October 17, 2008, 11:24:26 PM »

Listen, you sheeple who just follow the herd....Don't be so afraid of breaking away.  You are going to find out sooner or later that this earth is indeed not a globe....I pray for you that it will be sooner rather than later because there will be a profound trickle down effect.....Much, if not all of one's understanding is rooted in this concept....This game has been rigged since the Garden of Eden.  Please get hip to the scheme....Walk with me, talk with me....

a panoramic of earth from 'space'
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm15/lifespan59/untitled.jpg

a fish eye lens of earth from 'space'
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm15/lifespan59/2935314809_2b37b4c4c2.jpg

please....please, let something much more complicated be your downfall....not something so simple and childlike as a trick of the camera....And by the way, the fish eye lens picture was admitted to even be photoshopped....so, come on now.  Let's at least make them work for the money....