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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 16, 2008, 12:36:16 AM »

Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?

not through doors

That is the most retarded thing I have heard. A hollow point destroys itself when it hits a door. An AP round would kill people through doors. As would a full metal jacket. In fact hollow points are used to help prevent killing someone through a wall in CQC.

Learn moar.

I was stirring the pot, sir. Im in law enforcement, Im quite well aware what a FMJ and a hollow point can or cant do.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 16, 2008, 12:24:51 AM »

Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?

not through doors

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 16, 2008, 12:16:21 AM »

Load it with hollow points.

OMFG!!!! EVIL!!!!! it's gonna kill someone, quick burn it before it jumps up and starts shooting people!!!!

btw it was a 9mm and a 22LR pistol

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: A question

« on: August 15, 2008, 10:14:01 PM »

I’m a committed pacifist.  A deranged gunman breaks into my house after shooting half a dozen people outside and threatens to shoot my wife and children if I don’t comply with his demands.  He says he will not surrender to police and will kill us all before killing himself.  I believe he means it.

I notice he has some sort of medical condition where he seems to loose grip on reality and becomes disorientated for brief periods (five seconds maximum).  I’m aware that during these brief periods of disorientation I have sufficient time to remove the revolver from his waistband, shoot him dead and save my family.

Question.  Is this a valid argument to put to a pacifist to test whether or not that person really is a pacifist?

no its an extenuating circumstance which otherwise wouldnt happen on a normal basis

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 10:09:28 PM »

as far as school shootings, getting rid of guns will not solve the problem, if they really wanted to do some damage, they will find a way. If guns were outlawed, they will get a gun some other way or will resort to other means such as pipe bombs, so that argument is irrelevant.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 10:04:54 PM »

Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.

lol

At least hypothetically under American law.

Everyone is created equal, some are just more equal than others

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 10:04:01 PM »

Ask Britain how thats going

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 10:02:37 PM »

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers
of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

I think this is good reason that guns should be illegal for EVERYONE. That means civilians, police, and military.

great so they would get shot up by gangs and people who illegally obtain their guns, great thinking professor.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: U.S.A. has crap for soldiers: a proof.

« on: August 15, 2008, 05:37:32 AM »

I love your patriotism narc

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 04:38:00 AM »

Americans really are paranoid aren't they?

OMG there's gonna be criminals going around trying to rape my family and rob me and that's not to mention the bears!!1!

and you think the world is flat--we're even

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 04:23:24 AM »

Also what about defending yourself against animal attacks? Bears, deer, badgers, etc. Sometimes a stick isnt gonna do anything but make them mad.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 04:21:41 AM »

It was 1998, but basically everything plateaued

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 04:15:09 AM »

Ask Australians what happened to the amount of murders committed with guns after guns were banned

apples and oranges

Australia is an island, therefore not easily accessible

the United States is land bound with Canada and Mexico as its borders. If America is gun-free, Mexico isnt. Mexico has MS13 and Mexican Mafia and even the Mexican Army that can easily penetrate through our borders and easily supply more gangs with guns. Terrorists have also been known to fly into these neighboring countries and infiltrate our border. Completely different.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 03:57:15 AM »

However, in a perfect world, i do agree with you that the only ones that should have guns are cops and hunters. Therefore, guns, in themselves are not evil.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 03:47:17 AM »

but there would still be mentally challenged/deranged people that would kill or steal just for the fun of it or because they wouldnt know better, so therefore yes, guns would be necessary.

note- I never said that they would use a gun

I don't agree. If people are so far gone as to be such a danger to society, they should not be allowed the freedoms that most people are from whatever stage in childhood their problem is first noted.

note- I never said that they would use a gun

how about hunters that kill animals to feed their families?

You make a good point here. I'm afraid I shall have to eat my words. However, I still do not think just anybody should be able to buy a gun.

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neither do i, thats what a 4473 is for, which also doesnt allow mentally challenged Americans to purchase a gun. I also believe the 4473 could be stricter but it does a good job currently on people purchasing a gun. In an ideal world, the 4473 would be sufficient enough to ensure that guns are in the right hands. However, in the real world, people can obtain guns other than the legal way.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 03:38:39 AM »

but to ignore practicallity would just be day dreaming. Therefore, not a base to outlaw guns. Hope is not a plan-remember that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 03:36:10 AM »

Can you at least agree that, ignoring practicality, in an ideal world nobody should own a gun?

but there would still be mentally challenged/deranged people that would kill or steal just for the fun of it or because they wouldnt know better, so therefore yes, guns would be necessary.

how about hunters that kill animals to feed their families?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 03:21:29 AM »

working towards a world with no crime is nothing but pie in the sky and nostalgia. Its not gona happen. If guns are outlawed, crimes will sky rocket. America has a right to defend themselves and their property. People these days are not gonna do the right thing and work for a living, they are going to take what they want. Lets be realistic here. Therefore it is only right to let qualified Americans to own a gun for those just in case purposes. Crime can happen anywhere, even in small hick country towns. Allowing Americans to be on the ready for those just in case purposes can only be fair.

I tend to think of this more as an indication that America is fucked up than an indication that guns should be able to be owned by anybody.

thanks for clarifying my point

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 03:16:31 AM »

so youre saying self-defense is an acceptable reason why they should get a gun?

In certain cases, and then only in an interim period as we work towards a world where it is not necessary.

ok so then they can buy a gun for just in case purposes, just making sure.

working towards a world with no crime is nothing but pie in the sky and nostalgia. Its not gona happen. If guns are outlawed, crimes will sky rocket. America has a right to defend themselves and their property. People these days are not gonna do the right thing and work for a living, they are going to take what they want. Lets be realistic here. Therefore it is only right to let qualified Americans to own a gun for those just in case purposes. Crime can happen anywhere, even in small hick country towns. Allowing Americans to be on the ready for those just in case purposes can only be fair.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 03:00:47 AM »

so youre saying self-defense is an acceptable reason why they should get a gun?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 02:53:04 AM »

Is it not forcing beliefs onto another to take a gun and kill someone?

that doesnt follow at all with what the topic

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The Lounge / Re: Is infinity a number?

« on: August 15, 2008, 02:48:22 AM »

Allow me to enlighten you schmucks,

Infinity, in itself, is not a number because it has no value. It is a modifier, it explains how many numbers there are, endless. It is the same as saying a bunch +1 or a lot +1, it would be impossible because there is no set value for a bunch or a lot. 1 is a number because it has an absolute value of one unit and you can add or take away units to/from it. Infinity is not a set of numbers because in order to have a set, there must be a defined end, which infinity does not have. So, the case is solved, infinity is not a number.

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The Lounge / Re: Is infinity a number?

« on: August 15, 2008, 02:12:00 AM »

Maybe infinity can be defined in binary.

0=absolute nothing
1=absolute everything

NYA!

What would infinity +1 = ?

impossible, because infinity isnt a number

Says who?

laws of math

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The Lounge / Re: Is infinity a number?

« on: August 15, 2008, 02:06:41 AM »

Maybe infinity can be defined in binary.

0=absolute nothing
1=absolute everything

NYA!

What would infinity +1 = ?

impossible, because infinity isnt a number

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 02:03:21 AM »

seriously, outlawing guns? really wtf is that gonna do?

Just like cocaine is illegal, it is still here

just like in the prohibition era, alcohol was illegal, but it was still here, and guess who had them? The mob, the gangs, the mafiosos, basically the bad guys. Guess whats gonna happen if we outlawed guns, the only ones thats gonna have them wil be the bad guys. The law abiding citizens who go and buy licenses and take safety courses and training cant have guns bc the gov took them away and all they will have to defend themselves is a devine intervention. What you say is some what good in theory, but its just pie in the sky and very illogical and will not work.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Guns are evil

« on: August 15, 2008, 01:55:37 AM »

You can't hug someone with a gun.

ignorance is bliss isnt it

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The Lounge / Re: Is infinity a number?

« on: August 15, 2008, 01:05:22 AM »

Reported for trolling a serious thread.

really??

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The Lounge / Re: Republicans are idiots

« on: August 15, 2008, 12:59:00 AM »

He was probably crying because his lost faith in humanity was confirmed

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Okay. I want pictures of this ice wall.

« on: August 15, 2008, 12:51:58 AM »

my tongue was stuck to it

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The Lounge / Re: Republicans are idiots

« on: August 15, 2008, 12:50:50 AM »

In class, I teach my students to NEVER become republican.
We don't need any more of their fundamental christian nonsense. Spouting stories of Jesus, while selling assault rifles to kids...

I had one kid try to tell me it was ok to be republican, obviously regurgitating all the nonsense his parents taught him Took me 3 seconds to logically defeat him and have him in tears. What an idiot.

You're teaching?!

brainwashing