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Flat Earth General / Re: Conspiracy to the fore.

« on: April 07, 2026, 07:35:21 AM »

So, can a flat Earther tell me who is in on the conspiracy with the current moon mission.  Certainly, the 4 astronauts that come from 2 different countries have to be in on it.  Who in NASA set up the false launch.  Who at mission control knows? Who in the Canadian Space Agency knows?  Does president Trump know?  Does prime minister Mark Carney of Canada know?  How many people would you say are in on this conspiracy for this one specific mission. Where does this conspiracy start and stop on this specific mission. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Bipolar model

« on: December 23, 2024, 02:20:22 AM »

I dated a bipolar model for a while.  It didn't work out. She just made no sense.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Bible Supports a Flat Level Earth

« on: July 14, 2024, 02:29:48 AM »

Sorry, I did not give the English phonetics for the above post.  כדור is like kedoor (sphere or ball) and מעגל is like m-agal (circle).

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Bible Supports a Flat Level Earth

« on: July 14, 2024, 12:27:18 AM »

The Hebrew word for circle and sphere are the same word.  After all, a sphere from above appears as a circle.

Well, actually they aren't. כדור = sphere, מעגל = circle.  But no one can deny that circles and spheres are highly related to each other. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Healthy Skeptical View of Science and Conspiracy theory

« on: April 07, 2024, 06:49:37 PM »

I'd like to know what airlines these pilots that think the Earth is flat work for, so I know not to get on one of their planes.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Simple challenge, draw out how a solar and lunar eclipse works on FE

« on: December 29, 2023, 10:50:53 PM »

In 2017 my family and I went to Tennessee to see the total eclipse of the sun.  Astronomers, and mathematicians were able to tell us the exact location we needed to be at the exact time based on the round Earth model of the Sun, Moon, and Earth.  We traveled more than 300 miles camped out the day before and went to a park with large open spaces near where we camped.  The eclipse occurred at the park at the exact time that was predicted.  We witnessed one of the most extraordinary events I have seen in my lifetime.  We now are planning our trip up to Rochester N.Y. for the eclipse that round Earth astronomers have said will occur there in April.  I have absolute confidence that the eclipse will happen as predicted.  My only concern is the weather.  Can a flat Earth believer here show me how the flat Earth model can predict an eclipse the way the round Earth model can.  Or, should I cancel the trip as it was just pure luck it worked out the last time.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Where does it go from here, say when globe is debunked by mainstream

« on: September 03, 2023, 12:46:54 PM »

Somehow, I don't think there is a single person that works for NASA that is losing sleep about the world being proven to be flat.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is the earth flat?

« on: June 27, 2023, 05:09:30 AM »

The thing that’s never debated and always totally ignored when raised is the undeniable fact that the whole entirety of flat earth belief and all their arguments rests fair and square on the existence of a giant transcontinental global conspiracy that involves many millions of people and thousands of organisations. It also encompasses the entirety of the global  academic world involving every academic institution on the planet. Such is the scope and reach of this alleged conspiracy!

It’s colossal scale is one of the reasons why flat earth believers prefer to give it a wide berth.

Ironically without it their belief falls flat though they have zero proof of its existence. Though in fairness having  zero proof about anything is par for the course when it comes to flat earth belief.

The conspiracy is the ever present elephant in the flat earth room.

You've somewhat underestimated the conspiracy.  It is all that you said, but multiplied many fold as it has been maintained for decades and stretches its origin back centuries.

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Flat Earth General / Space tourism

« on: May 26, 2023, 06:11:02 PM »

We are moving into the era of space tourism.   One of the few universal beliefs of FEers that I have seen is that space travel is a hoax, and that a huge conspiracy is in effect to keep the hoax going.  I am curious as to how this "hoax" will be maintained as more and more people that are not affiliated with space programs are going to be going to space.  How will they be brought into the hoax or duped?

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Order of Lights

« on: May 07, 2023, 11:56:30 AM »

Just to add, 1st day in Hebrew is Sunday the rest follow in sequence.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Order of Lights

« on: May 07, 2023, 11:42:14 AM »

The order of Light, from the biblical view.
Day 1 The Holy Light of our creator is the first light that is presented but is not a created light. It is Gods spiritual light that has power to create. In my view it is the Light of the whole universe and other worlds that have not fallen from Gods grace are all ruled by this light.
Day 4 The Suns Light, this is the greater light that was created to rule the day upon the earth. All of the lights that were made for the earth were made on day 4. And since these lights were made on day 4 but the earth had already been created on day 3 none of these lights are responsible for creating the earth. They were merely created for the earth to light it during the day or during the night.
Over time Sun or moon worship ideas and traditions became popular. Theories that the Sun is the center of a solar system is a sun centered (deified theory). And theories that everything including the earth were created by the Sun is most definetly deified theology making the Sun a creator. And making Sunday (the Suns day) day 1 of the week is putting the Suns light above the Holy light of day 1. The purpose of the Sun is to rule the day from morning to evening and the moon to rule from evening to morning. There is no scripture to show us that the day of the Sun (4) should rule our week even tho it does today in the Roman week. If we were to observe the path of the Sun we can see what it does each day like clockwork. It rises in the east and moves to the west varying during the seasons of the year. But east to west is the key to see which is also right to left as you look north for direction. In the Roman week the count is left to right which is what you get if you were to follow the moons phases rather than the Suns path for time. When following the Suns path east is right and west is left. Counting the days of original time just involves understanding what the lights are and what they are for. Sunday is day 4 which is why this church is lukewarm. Counting back 3 days to the right helps you find day 1.
Sunday=4 M=3 T=2 Wed=1
And count back 1 more day and you have day 7 on Thursday. Thursday is Jupiters day and it was Jupiter that was born of Virgo on Sept 23, 2017. Jupiter in Hebrew is Tzedek which means righteous or justice. Christ went to become a high priest after the order of Melchizedek. If the days that have been named for the lights are called an order then he has told us which day he is officiating as high priest on. Jupiter=Tzedek order of his priesthood.

Sounds pretty contrived.  In Hebrew  the days of the week are very simple יום ראשון (yom rishon first day) יום שני (yom shani second day) יום שלישי (yom shlishi third day) יום רביעי (yom revii fourth day) יום חמשי (yom chameshi fifth day) יום שישי (yom shishi sixth day) and שבת (Shabat).  Thursday as you see in Hebrew, has nothing to do with the Hebrew word for Jupiter (צדק).  You are mixing languages and cultures to contrive some point which I can't really say I understand.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How old is the globe conspiracy?

« on: March 23, 2023, 01:01:04 PM »

The reason that in the flat Earth model, a trip to space is not possible is because people who believe in a flat Earth, have to find a way to invalidate the 10s of thousands of pictures coming back from space that show conclusively that the world is a sphere.  They have to contrive ways of making space travel a hoax, and they have come up with some real doozies.

We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now.

10s of thousands of pictures is not absurd

So is it your claim that all pictures from space, from all countries, and all space agencies in the world are all generated by CGI?  That is a claim of a conspiracy so massive, it defies all believability and logic. Can you give me a little history on the CGI conspiracy.  When did the Americans start working with the Russians, and Chinese.  How did that come about?  I mean, from the first photos, we are talking about a conspiracy that has been ongoing for over 60 years through multiple political changes and downfalls of participating countries.  So give me some specifics on this conspiracy.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How old is the globe conspiracy?

« on: March 23, 2023, 09:49:37 AM »

The reason that in the flat Earth model, a trip to space is not possible is because people who believe in a flat Earth, have to find a way to invalidate the 10s of thousands of pictures coming back from space that show conclusively that the world is a sphere.  They have to contrive ways of making space travel a hoax, and they have come up with some real doozies. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Photos of a spherical Earth

« on: March 07, 2023, 01:20:33 PM »

easy all the CGI artists are killed after they are finished the government...

It's not just the government killing CGI artists. Marvel Studios kills all the CGI artists after they finish a film. Everyone knows this.

Yes, Stan Lee the creator of Marvel died in 2018.  He was in the prime of his life, only 96 years old.  I  don't believe that someone that age can just die of natural causes. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Rain: Good Bye School's Theory

« on: February 23, 2023, 10:34:30 AM »

Come on, No one can really believe this stuff about machines in clouds.  Danang is a troll.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Hard proof that Flat Earth exists

« on: February 20, 2023, 09:25:39 PM »

I just want cold hard proof that Flat Earth exists.

 No saying "Your evidence doesn't work because of so and so", no giving proof that Round Earth doesn't exist, just proof that Flat Earth exists that has been tested ,well documented, and is easily doable. No "Travel to the Ice Wall" stuff also, unless you have images when YOU went there. I just want the facts.


Thanks!

You are asking for something that is impossible, because the Earth is a sphere so there cannot be proof of it being flat.  I've looked in on this forum for years.  I have never seen a single "proof".  The reason I come here is because it is somewhat entertaining, there are some good scientific debunks that I learn from, and I want to understand how people can be so delusional. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Explain the Moon

« on: February 17, 2023, 06:45:49 AM »

Yep, all the wandering bodies, Sun, Moon, planets, stars, are cast upon a dome, like a planetarium.

I think the crystal projector is one of these...


Or, perhaps one of these...

And there is a great technique for constellations.   

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Flat Earth General / Re: Please debunk the existence and transmissions of a specific sat, EchoStar 16

« on: February 03, 2023, 04:38:08 AM »

[quote author=Stash link=topic=91397.msg2393649#msg2393649 date=1675225938

The stars are fake. NASA has the ability to switch them on and off at will. Here is the main stars circuit box at Jet Propulsion Labs in Texas:


That's the ON position.

No that is not the switch.  That is the switch for the cgi fake picture generator.  The actual switch is below.  The one on the right is for the stars, the one on the left is for the sun.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Please debunk the existence and transmissions of a specific sat, EchoStar 16

« on: January 31, 2023, 07:31:39 PM »

So this is just a complete slam dunk.  You aim a dish at something that can be seen.  If the dish is aimed at it there is a signal, if  not you miss the football game.  How can it be anything else but a satellite?  The FE denial is just silly.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Please debunk the existence and transmissions of a specific sat, EchoStar 16

« on: January 31, 2023, 11:13:51 AM »

Can the satellite be seen with a telescope?

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Flat Earth General / Why?

« on: January 07, 2023, 06:01:10 AM »

Spacex launched 61 flights into orbit in 2022.  If these flights have no purpose other than to crash into the ocean, why would a private for profit company carry out such a massively expensive worthless exercise?  If there is some kind of illusion that they are trying to hype on the world, why not just do 5 or 6 in a year?   How can any company justify that kind of expense to it's shareholders?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are the dimensions of the flat earth

« on: December 15, 2022, 08:12:26 PM »

At 30,000 feet, gravity is almost zero.

I have flown at 30,000 feet and can tell you that this is not true.  However, are you now saying that gravity exists and decreases with altitude?  So you do not believe that the Earth is accelerating upward?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Antarctica - A wall of ice?

« on: September 28, 2022, 09:14:30 AM »

I have a plugin hybrid.  I have solar panels on my house.  Overall, my car gets 81 miles per gallon (34.44 km/l).  My brother has a total electric car with solar panels on his house.  If there will be a future, this is what the future will look like.   

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Flat Earth General / Re: Theory : if earth is flat, the optics of the sun are not common sense geometry

« on: September 18, 2022, 02:56:56 PM »

I wish to ask bulmabriefs144 a question if I may.  What is the actual distance in miles or kilometers that the sun is away from the observer that it appears to set?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why does the Earth look like a sphere?

« on: July 16, 2022, 09:31:32 AM »

If there is no conspiracy, and the Earth just looks round from space but is actually flat, how can satellites or spacecraft in general orbit this flat Earth?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Observations strongly disagree with FE model

« on: June 06, 2022, 07:29:50 AM »

So, I went back through the Library of Congress archives.  People have been watching and tracking satellites for as long as there have been satellites.  Here is an article about Sputnik being seen by people back in 1957.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84020662/1957-10-09/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1777&index=7&rows=20&words=satellite+schedule&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1963&proxtext=satellite+schedule&y=0&x=0&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Let's talk about gravity

« on: May 16, 2022, 08:01:32 AM »

No, it cannot maintain any velocity, the initial force causing it's motion, will soon dissipate and die out.

Where does the "initial force" go when it dissipates?  If it dies out, does the energy just vanish from something into nothing? 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: My impossible challenge for FE'ers

« on: May 15, 2022, 02:49:28 PM »

I'm curious.  Besides saying "interesting", did the guy who did the "17 feet" video ever change his mind as to the shape of the Earth?  Anyone know his name?  I do have to give him a lot of  credit for setting up a fair clear experiment, with predictions for what the results would prove. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat earth directions

« on: January 03, 2022, 11:44:36 AM »

While I didn't move that thread, it was very much the right thing to do. You posted an image, and that was it. The very definition of a low content post. And your argument here is one that doesn't really work, as has been discussed before a few times (I don't think you were part of those discussions though, so you may not have seen it).

If you want to talk about how directions would work on a map like the North Pole-centered monopole map, compasses would still work basically the same in terms of telling you the 4 cardinal directions. A lot like a radial magnet with north in the middle, north is always pointed toward the center. South is just the other end of the needle, so it will point directly away from north - that means it points along the path with the shortest distance to the southern edge. East and west are always offset by 90 degrees from the north/south line. East/west paths just trace a circle (not too very different than on a globe, except on a globe technically you can go directly east or west without having to "turn" if you find yourself traveling along one very specific line of latitude).

So, on the flat Earth, to go East and West (or really any direction other than due North or South) you have to continually make turns.  This is not how things work in reality.  Using a compass, you can go any heading and not make any turns, and never wind up at the "ice wall".

You continually make turns when you go East and West on a globe too, unless you are EXACTLY on the Equator. This is a silly argument. Local variables like wind or water currents and land features will have more of an effect on how "straight" you travel than the amount you need to turn, unless you find yourself very very VERY close to a pole. And as demonstrated in your post, when you try and head directly east or west today, you don't exactly notice you're having to constantly turn to maintain your heading.

In your meme map that you like so much, all southwards trajectories lead to the ice wall. I'm not sure how else to explain to you why your argument is silly. Think about the size of the Earth and how much you're actually turning to maintain a constant eastward heading at, say, the 45 degree latitude line.

Why do you have to "continually make turns" on a globe??  East is always east West is always West. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat earth directions

« on: January 03, 2022, 10:45:31 AM »

Now I understand why the map was moved.  There has been appropriate commentary, so I am posting the map that shows how all directions point to the "ice wall".