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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 23, 2019, 02:19:01 PM »
...and with that empty answer the arguemnet is exhausted. I thank you.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 23, 2019, 02:14:14 PM »
If I knew that, I'd be doing their job, not them. Then again, why let Bulgaria and Romania join? I don't know, maybe cheap labour? ( Just using the German refugee model there)
What are your thoughts Pez, oh wise one?
What are your thoughts Pez, oh wise one?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 23, 2019, 01:52:31 PM »It's simpler than that. You ain't going nowhere until you paid your debts.In answer to your first rambling rant, I don't care. Austerity?...boo hoo, get a grip yourself.Wow, truly the master of the argument.QuoteThe second part? You mentioned Germany, so I just put it back to you. There are more countries to pick from. I didn't suggest any scheme or plan, just Germany is another country that isn't as happy at funding the freeloaders as you seem to think.So the #1 most powerful country in the EU and de facto leader oddly enough keeps funding us even though it is totally against the interests because... Maybe we're super powerful after all and we forced them to? Wow, maybe Germany should be wanting to exit the EU as well...
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 23, 2019, 01:51:22 PM »Ah, euros. We don't use them here, we kept our sovereignty.The eurozone is the countries which use euros.
Do you have any explanation of why they pretended they thought our economy was solid enough to enter the eurozone?
You were a land buffer where fighting off an invasion would not harm Europe.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 23, 2019, 01:49:46 PM »
Do you have any explanation of why they pretended they thought our economy was solid enough to enter the eurozone?
You were a land buffer where fighting off an invasion would not harm Europe.
You think Europe was likely to be invaded? Surely not, with the might of the EU protecting us. Or maybe the Greeks would fend off any invasion?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 23, 2019, 01:46:09 PM »
In answer to your first rambling rant, I don't care. Austerity?...boo hoo, get a grip yourself.
The second part? You mentioned Germany, so I just put it back to you. There are more countries to pick from. I didn't suggest any scheme or plan, just Germany is another country that isn't as happy at funding the freeloaders as you seem to think.
If you can't explain why I should care or understand, then I suppose I'll just have to keep being one dimensional.
The second part? You mentioned Germany, so I just put it back to you. There are more countries to pick from. I didn't suggest any scheme or plan, just Germany is another country that isn't as happy at funding the freeloaders as you seem to think.
If you can't explain why I should care or understand, then I suppose I'll just have to keep being one dimensional.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 23, 2019, 01:19:17 PM »I don't care about the Greek debt crisis. It's your debt, so why should everyone else have to get you out of it?Better terms? LOLYou really don't understand shit about the Greek debt crisis, do you? Do you know which country pays the most while getting very little back if you only look at the EU budget? Germany. Either Germany got a shit deal and they should be wanting to get out of the union, or you're an idiot who can only think one dimensionally.
Try running up a huge bill at a hotel then trying to check out without paying. Better terms like that you mean?
Greece has a debt that is 180 percent of GDP and the taxpayers of other EU nations are fed up of bailing you out.
Another reason why leaving the EU is a good idea.
The UK is one of 10 nations out of 28 that puts more in than they ever get back and Greece is way down the list, just above Latvia. Better terms my arse.
(not that you will for some considerable time, so enjoy your subsidised stay). Although if you'd like to enlighten me so that I might 'understand' it, in simple terms of course, please do.
Which country gets the least back, well it isn't Greece is it? You should ask a few people in Germany, see how they feel about funding the shit end of the EU.
Losing an arguement usually shows itself by the insults one gives and you've given plenty. I'll see in the summer for my holidays, thats all you've got.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 01:59:23 PM »
Well, I suppose at least he's using his mind unlike most of the current Government.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 01:50:26 PM »
Not exactly British politics is it, just some nutty has been looking for the limelight.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 01:47:48 PM »
Better terms? LOL
Try running up a huge bill at a hotel then trying to check out without paying. Better terms like that you mean?
Greece has a debt that is 180 percent of GDP and the taxpayers of other EU nations are fed up of bailing you out.
Another reason why leaving the EU is a good idea.
The UK is one of 10 nations out of 28 that puts more in than they ever get back and Greece is way down the list, just above Latvia. Better terms my arse.
Try running up a huge bill at a hotel then trying to check out without paying. Better terms like that you mean?
Greece has a debt that is 180 percent of GDP and the taxpayers of other EU nations are fed up of bailing you out.
Another reason why leaving the EU is a good idea.
The UK is one of 10 nations out of 28 that puts more in than they ever get back and Greece is way down the list, just above Latvia. Better terms my arse.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 07:51:08 AM »Voted because he was anti EU, exactly. Which bit didn't you understand? Now he's pro EU, what a surprise. Not much choice really. Compromise? Again, what choice did you have?I have no interest in trawling your posts to determine your heritage."Since" Tsipras? Tsipras was elected because people were anti-EU, not the other way around, and Tsipras is now pro-EU, in fact he's citing the shitfest going on in Britain right now as an example for how he made the right choice to compromise.
Some Greeks might well be anti EU, especially since Tsipras, but you have to stay in because know that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you...literally.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 07:39:27 AM »
I have no interest in trawling your posts to determine your heritage.
Some Greeks might well be anti EU, especially since Tsipras, but you have to stay in because know that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you...literally.
Some Greeks might well be anti EU, especially since Tsipras, but you have to stay in because know that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you...literally.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 07:28:13 AM »
Your interest in being part of the EU, your fixation with Turkey....
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 07:25:16 AM »
Nope, but all the clues were there.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 07:22:46 AM »Thought so.1981.Very good. I meant, when did your country join?Recently?Yeah I'm here right now.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 07:18:01 AM »Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?I'm pretty sure everyone else understands exactly what my point is and I'm tired of explaining it. It's actually extremely simple: the fact that the EU exists, that EU states would help other EU states in case they were invaded, and the fact that lots of countries don't want to get on the bad side of the EU makes nations which would be otherwise very likely to invade or at the very least dispute borders of current EU member states, if these were not in the union. Therefore, EU membership also makes countries feel safer from threats external to the EU.
You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.
How is that different than NATO?
NATO includes America, but shhh, don't tell Pezevenk, he feels safe with the EU protecting him.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 07:09:25 AM »Very good. I meant, when did your country join?Recently?Yeah I'm here right now.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 07:02:46 AM »
Nice theory. You don't live within the protectorate of the EU I presume?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 06:46:41 AM »
Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?
You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.
You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 06:22:45 AM »
Pezevenk, you have Cypriot friends, well good for you. Your knowledge must be so far in advance of anyone elses, I can only bow to you. Maybe they didn't get along with their Turkish neighbours, but most did.
You still seem to be transfixed with this idea that Turkey will attack again, because they want to expand blah blah blah. They are desperate to be part of the EU, so how would that pan out?
Maybe the same way as it did when they attacked in 1974 and NATO did nothing, as you say. Being part of the club doesn't mean shit.
Just so you know, 'near past' most certainly doesnt go back to 1974, unless you're talking in terms of the history of the Earth.
Back to the point, you think that any country being part of the EU will be protected by the EU ?
You still seem to be transfixed with this idea that Turkey will attack again, because they want to expand blah blah blah. They are desperate to be part of the EU, so how would that pan out?
Maybe the same way as it did when they attacked in 1974 and NATO did nothing, as you say. Being part of the club doesn't mean shit.
Just so you know, 'near past' most certainly doesnt go back to 1974, unless you're talking in terms of the history of the Earth.
Back to the point, you think that any country being part of the EU will be protected by the EU ?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 05:31:32 AM »
The League of sane citizens (UK branch), apologise for MS's murder of historical fact, he is a brexiter.
Historical fact? Which?
A Brexiteer? Did I say which way I voted, if at all?
Then, before we move on, could you tell me if you believe the Earth is round or that it is flat?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 03:32:16 AM »
Fair point, maybe 'state' was incorrect and embedded in my colonial mindset. Akrotiri and Dhekelia are British Sovereign Bases so the whole island would fall under British protection in the event of invasion. Not a lot of point in just defending the bases if the rest of the island is swarming with invaders.
I dare say that the rest of NATO would get involved too, including Turkey.
I dare say that the rest of NATO would get involved too, including Turkey.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 22, 2019, 02:51:31 AM »
Where do YOU learn your history from? Clearly not all it seems.
Cyprus is a British Soveriegn State, due mostly to it's important military status as I've mentioned. Why would Britain 'actually quietly' support an invasion by Turkey?
The Greek Cypriots wanted/want union with Greece. They killed hundreds of British people in their terrorist activities ( EOKA) and Turkey saw the situation moving towards Enosis, so using the pretext of a military coup by the Greeks, the Turks invaded to protect the Turkish Cypriots. Whether this was right or wrong is a political issue and I'm sure that you are not privy to the actual facts of the time.
For hundreds of years the Turks and Greeks had got along until the divisive tactics employed by some Greeks encouraged trouble. The invasion in 1974 was quelled, the Greek military junta collapsed and the country became divided, the Turkish in the North and the Cypriots in the South. The Green Line, as its called, was put in place as a buffer zone and is still there today although passage between North and South has relaxed a lot these days.
You would know that though, because you go there a lot don't you?
The EU has nothing to do with protecting countries and never will, maybe you're confusing it with NATO?
Your earlier comment about Turkey having invaded Cyprus in the 'near past' ( this year, last year?) seems at odds with your theory, or did the EU launch a counter attack? If so, I must have missd that bit of news. Dumbass.
Cyprus is a British Soveriegn State, due mostly to it's important military status as I've mentioned. Why would Britain 'actually quietly' support an invasion by Turkey?
The Greek Cypriots wanted/want union with Greece. They killed hundreds of British people in their terrorist activities ( EOKA) and Turkey saw the situation moving towards Enosis, so using the pretext of a military coup by the Greeks, the Turks invaded to protect the Turkish Cypriots. Whether this was right or wrong is a political issue and I'm sure that you are not privy to the actual facts of the time.
For hundreds of years the Turks and Greeks had got along until the divisive tactics employed by some Greeks encouraged trouble. The invasion in 1974 was quelled, the Greek military junta collapsed and the country became divided, the Turkish in the North and the Cypriots in the South. The Green Line, as its called, was put in place as a buffer zone and is still there today although passage between North and South has relaxed a lot these days.
You would know that though, because you go there a lot don't you?
The EU has nothing to do with protecting countries and never will, maybe you're confusing it with NATO?
Your earlier comment about Turkey having invaded Cyprus in the 'near past' ( this year, last year?) seems at odds with your theory, or did the EU launch a counter attack? If so, I must have missd that bit of news. Dumbass.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 21, 2019, 09:49:54 AM »
Therefore Turkey will not invade Cyprus or any other member state. Your previous hypothosis falls down.
The history of Cyprus is long and is generally peppered with wars as it is a staging post for any activity in the Med.even in Roman times.
Turkish support for Cypriot Turks was there way before the invasion.
The island is still divided a a result of talks held by the BRITISH and many Brits were killed defending it, both by Greeks and Turks.
Still not sure about your EU point here though?
The history of Cyprus is long and is generally peppered with wars as it is a staging post for any activity in the Med.even in Roman times.
Turkish support for Cypriot Turks was there way before the invasion.
The island is still divided a a result of talks held by the BRITISH and many Brits were killed defending it, both by Greeks and Turks.
Still not sure about your EU point here though?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Firearm rights
« on: March 21, 2019, 09:43:22 AM »
Of course we are trusted with knives, just not allowed to carry them around for no apparent reason. Many people carry knives here, for their work.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Firearm rights
« on: March 21, 2019, 09:39:12 AM »
Good ol' US of A.
Seems there is a lot of justification for killing people there.
Seems there is a lot of justification for killing people there.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Firearm rights
« on: March 21, 2019, 09:32:56 AM »
It isn't right but the fact that he was deemed to have used undue force and killed the 'hoodlum' makes it murder. You'll find that most Brits would support his actions though.
Not much need to go around cutting rope in 21st Century Britain either.
Not much need to go around cutting rope in 21st Century Britain either.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Brexit
« on: March 21, 2019, 09:21:57 AM »Actually you said: "Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?"
Doesn't sound like past tense to me.
Yes, let's say that Turkey attacks Cyprus now, which they've already done in the near past, so it's not some outlandish possibility. I thought it was pretty obvious what I was saying.QuoteBesides, you're saying that Cyprus magically repelled the Turks on their own?"Magically"? They had an army and they received military aid from Greece, there were peace talks and they aren't t. And they weren't "repelled", they still occupy the northern part of the island. There were peace talks and it wasn't in Turkey's interests to escalate the conflict further.
First, if Turkey attacked, the EU would do nothing. They are not an army, they are a trading agreement.
Second, the 'military aid' from Greece was the reason that Turkey invaded in the first place. Enosis and all that....