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Flat Earth General / FlatEarth final visual proof - north pole people help needed

« on: June 28, 2016, 07:21:42 AM »

I think this is it. Possible final proof. All we need is 24h SUN timelapse somewhere around north pole. Solution is in the tilt of earth which is 23.5° deegre. So on sphere earth sun during timelapse should always going up and down to the horizon. On flat earth during 24h timelapse from north pole sun should always stay on same height.
So let's test is it PERSPECTIVE or TILT?
HELP NEEDED

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 21, 2016, 09:59:51 AM »

If I can see an island 150 miles away no mirage or such crap can convince me that curvature is what they say it is.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 21, 2016, 09:42:21 AM »

Yes. It was measured by 20th century profesionals, as it was by 15th and 10th century profesionals at that time. Or you think that we know everything and this is it?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 21, 2016, 09:20:56 AM »

I have a job and family and have no time to travel around world and measure. Anyway this task must be given to profesionals who know alot more about cartography than me or you. I just can't imagine any respectable scientistis to get involve in this mater. Not yet. Do you remember how many scientists was burned when heliocentric was in begining.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 21, 2016, 08:41:58 AM »

I just don't get how you can't understand that maps that have different position of North and South can never be comparable. That also count for GPS, positions and courses.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 21, 2016, 08:26:37 AM »

GPS is also based on compass positions and distances (globe model) and so not suitable. FE map must be made completly from start. Last maps made on FE model were in 15 th century. (Portolan and Catalan maps)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 21, 2016, 06:49:15 AM »

Im tired. Do you have any idea how hard is it to make a map from start. How many people, how much money, not to mention how many working hours. At least few years and that is for professionals.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 21, 2016, 05:10:27 AM »

You just dont get it. Today globe maps work perfectly with all compass based instruments. Look for explanation for "RHUMBLINE" to get example how compass would work on flat earth. That is the main thing. COMPASS and how to read it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 21, 2016, 02:41:12 AM »

These old maps i only mentioned to show difference between use of compass in maps making. Also if you ever seen ancient maps (exmp. Piri Reis )   that most modern cartographers think were imposible to be made by ancient cultures - all are made with portolan metod. Not even one map show earth as a globe. Take a closer look int ancient maps. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 20, 2016, 03:31:17 PM »

About the maps
Example how Flat Earth map should look like is Potrolan and Catalan maps. Portolan charts are navigational maps based on compass directions and estimated distances observed by the pilots at sea. Portolans did not take into account the curvature of the earth.Catalan charts are a subtype of the medieval period (1300–1500) portolan chart.Portolan and Catalan maps are also characterized by the accuracy of inland features, sometimes for the lines of latitude/longitude and specially for the lack of map projection, for cartometric investigation has revealed that no projection was used in portolans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_chart#/media/File:Europe_Mediterranean_Catalan_Atlas.jpeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portolan_chart#/media/File:Maggiolo_-_Portolankarte_-_1541.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Atlas#/media/File:Compass_rose_from_Catalan_Atlas_(1375).jpg
Majorcan cosmographers and cartographers experimented and developed their own cartographic techniques.Majorcans were responsible for the invention (c. 1300) of the "normal portolan chart". The portolan was a realistic, detailed nautical chart, gridded by a rhumbline network with compass lines that could be used to deduce exact sailing directions between any two points.
As you all can see most of this is from wiki and they don't hide it. These maps are rude example of what the FE map should look like since they were last and best made before establishment of "The globe earth theory".

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 19, 2016, 08:12:17 AM »

No. Nobody has. So called FE map in circle ( UN logo) is only azimuth equidistant projection of globe earth. My point is that on FE model when you go with compass to WEST it won't be a straight line but a curve. So all distances measured WEST-EAST IS WRONG. Only NORTH-SOUTH is straight line.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 18, 2016, 11:41:46 PM »

Flat Earth - compass issue
Hi all,
Im Ivan from Croatia and I have few ideas about cartografy and FE maps. From first explorers to today compass was the most important and sometimes only aid to find fixed point anywhere on the earth. This is important because with compass you can find and follow straight and shortest way from A to B.
My point is:  GLOBE has a fixed N - (top) and fixed S - (down)
                       FLAT has fixed N - (center) and around S   ( like loudspeaker)
So if earth is flat and not globe than Maggelan made a full circle around the plane allways following straigh WEST with his right side of the boat looking to North.
But that means that trip on flat earth from point A to B with use of compass will never be a streight and shortest line but a CURVE that circle around central North. That means all distances betwen two points are wrong.( If you go straight West than you will not go in straight line but make a curve - little longer than straight line. The bigger the distance is bigger is error.)We can asume that all today distances are made using compass (and have same error) because we use compass in any travel.  Earth and continents should be measured somehow without compass or with use of complicated calculations depending on position and distance of measured point from the center (NORTH). Once again travelling with compass on flat earth you can never go straight - you allways make a curve. To go straight on FE with compass you have to constantly modify angle and distance from the center (North). To make real FE map all disstances must be re-calculated since they are made with compass and work only with compass based autopilots and gps. Compass is totally unpracctical on FE model since it never give you straight and shortest way but a curve.The best way would be to put a set of towers all over the world and with simple triangulation make a new map that we all deserve. I hope there is somebody out there with more knowlege and practical work to play with this idea. Thanks

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Map

« on: May 18, 2016, 11:37:18 PM »

Hi.
Anyone got a map of the flat earth with a working scale?
Thanks in advance.
[/quoteFlat Earth - compass issue
Hi all,
Im Ivan from Croatia and I have few ideas about cartografy and FE maps. From first explorers to today compass was the most important and sometimes only aid to find fixed point anywhere on the earth. This is important because with compass you can find and follow straight and shortest way from A to B.
My point is:  GLOBE has a fixed N - (top) and fixed S - (down)
                       FLAT has fixed N - (center) and around S   ( like loudspeaker)
So if earth is flat and not globe than Maggelan made a full circle around the plane allways following straigh WEST with his right side of the boat looking to North.
But that means that trip on flat earth from point A to B with use of compass will never be a streight and shortest line but a CURVE that circle around central North. That means all distances betwen two points are wrong.( If you go straight West than you will not go in straight line but make a curve - little longer than straight line. The bigger the distance is bigger is error.)We can asume that all today distances are made using compass (and have same error) because we use compass in any travel.  Earth and continents should be measured somehow without compass or with use of complicated calculations depending on position and distance of measured point from the center (NORTH). Once again travelling with compass on flat earth you can never go straight - you allways make a curve. To go straight on FE with compass you have to constantly modify angle and distance from the center (North). To make real FE map all disstances must be re-calculated since they are made with compass and work only with compass based autopilots and gps. Compass is totally unpracctical on FE model since it never give you straight and shortest way but a curve.The best way would be to put a set of towers all over the world and with simple triangulation make a new map that we all deserve. I hope there is somebody out there with more knowlege and practical work to play with this idea. Thanks

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Flat Earth Q&A / Compass issue - cartography, distance and travel

« on: May 18, 2016, 02:14:46 PM »

Flat Earth - compass issue
Hi all,
Im Ivan from Croatia and I have few ideas about cartografy and FE maps. From first explorers to today compass was the most important and sometimes only aid to find fixed point anywhere on the earth. This is important because with compass you can find and follow straight and shortest way from A to B.
My point is:  GLOBE has a fixed N - (top) and fixed S - (down)
                       FLAT has fixed N - (center) and around S   ( like loudspeaker)
So if earth is flat and not globe than Maggelan made a full circle around the plane allways following straigh WEST with his right side of the boat looking to North.
But that means that trip on flat earth from point A to B with use of compass will never be a streight and shortest line but a CURVE that circle around central North. That means all distances betwen two points are wrong.( If you go straight West than you will not go in straight line but make a curve - little longer than straight line. The bigger the distance is bigger is error.)We can asume that all today distances are made using compass (and have same error) because we use compass in any travel.  Earth and continents should be measured somehow without compass or with use of complicated calculations depending on position and distance of measured point from the center (NORTH). Once again travelling with compass on flat earth you can never go straight - you allways make a curve. To go straight on FE with compass you have to constantly modify angle and distance from the center (North). To make real FE map all disstances must be re-calculated since they are made with compass and work only with compass based autopilots and gps. Compass is totally unpracctical on FE model since it never give you straight and shortest way but a curve.The best way would be to put a set of towers all over the world and with simple triangulation make a new map that we all deserve. I hope there is somebody out there with more knowlege and practical work to play with this idea. Thanks