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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: QET the explanation
« on: December 14, 2015, 01:03:15 AM »
I have watched many "Remote viewers" who do not seem bound by space and time.
They view ancient times and foreign worlds. Though somewhat ambiguously.
Also DMT seems to open portals (Pineal?) to other frequencies (Realities)
Does this fit in with QET?
Are you asking about the drug DMT? Also, about other 'realities' This has some things to do with QET, In really advanced ways, like explaining infinity. However Right now I will not delve deep into separate realities. I do, however believe in the infinite realities or dimensions theory

The infinite realities theory has nothing to do with QET. Please explain how the world is infinite if people have claimed to successfully circumnavigate the globe. And note the word 'claimed'.

The universe wouldn't be big enough for infinity, and the world as we know it would be much bigger if it were infinite, and as they said before: The fourth dimension is time.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Problem with Oxygen?
« on: December 13, 2015, 11:47:49 PM »
My theory is that, as you move towards the edge, the temperature continually drops.  Eventually, the temperature reaches the point where different gasses turn into liquid and simply precipitate out of the air.  This liquid simply pools and turns into streams that flow back towards the warmer regions, where it evaporates into a gas again and the cycle continues.  In this model, by the time you would reach the edge, it is so cold that there is no atmoplane.

Do you have any evidence for this?

Are you saying that it does not get colder as you move rimward?
Are you completely ignore everything we just said? There would be no reason for the oxygen to actually move to the outer rim, Absolute zero isn't cold enough to liquefy oxygen! Liquid oxygen has a density of 1.141 g/cm3 (1.141 kg/L or 1141 kg/m3) and is cryogenic with a freezing point of 54.36 K (−218.79 °C; −361.82 °F) It will liquefy at -183 °C. Meaning that If someone were to travel there, It would be so cold, they would most likely die. Plus, The only theory someone could work out on how the oxygen would get there is that wind 'pushes it down, which in turn would interfere with your 'aether wind', so Your theory is completely bunk. Now if someone can give a theory with some premise, That would be nice!

News flash for you; absolute zero is colder than both 54 K and -183 °C.  ::)


Yes, btw absolute zero is theoretically impossible, and even If it did get that cold, The liquid would freeze instantly, meaning that the oxygen wouldn't be able to flow back to the mainland, also, still no explanation as to why the oxygen get there.

  At the physically impossible-to-reach temperature of zero kelvin, or minus 459.67 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 273.15 degrees Celsius), atoms would stop moving. As such, nothing can be colder than absolute zero on the Kelvin scale. So You are saying simply moving away from the sun makes it so cold. The sun is 5,778 K, So unless you are saying the sun isn't that hot, It wouldn't be absolute zero.

TL;DR: Still no explanation for the oxygen getting there
            It couldn't get that cold
           


Another news flash for you: absolute zero may be theoretically impossible, but approaching absolute zero is not.  ::)

Do you have any more straw man arguments and incorrect assumptions to bring up?
So, you brung up that absolute zero is theoretically impossible, but what about freezing the liquid? or how it gets that cold just by moving away from the sun, even though the sun would still shine in that area, and how the oxygen gets there?!?!
Also, an answer to your other questions.
1. Um, It gets cold when you move away fro the sun, it is not like it gets hotter ::)
2. Easy, the more oxygen is produced, the left over oxygen gets pushed back to the edge of the flat plane, than freezes and returns to the mainland. This easily explains the life cycle of air and completely proves our theory. You can think of it as the weather patterns:

The rain pours down, filling rivers (Frozen oxygen thawing)
That water evaporates (getting pushed into the edge)
The evaporated water turns into clouds (Frozen oxygen)
It rains, and the cycle continues. (Melting)

There, if you need anymore proof or have arguments to debunk this, I'll be happy to here it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Problem with Oxygen?
« on: December 13, 2015, 11:41:43 PM »
My theory is that, as you move towards the edge, the temperature continually drops.  Eventually, the temperature reaches the point where different gasses turn into liquid and simply precipitate out of the air.  This liquid simply pools and turns into streams that flow back towards the warmer regions, where it evaporates into a gas again and the cycle continues.  In this model, by the time you would reach the edge, it is so cold that there is no atmoplane.

Do you have any evidence for this?

Are you saying that it does not get colder as you move rimward?
Are you completely ignore everything we just said? There would be no reason for the oxygen to actually move to the outer rim, Absolute zero isn't cold enough to liquefy oxygen! Liquid oxygen has a density of 1.141 g/cm3 (1.141 kg/L or 1141 kg/m3) and is cryogenic with a freezing point of 54.36 K (−218.79 °C; −361.82 °F) It will liquefy at -183 °C. Meaning that If someone were to travel there, It would be so cold, they would most likely die. Plus, The only theory someone could work out on how the oxygen would get there is that wind 'pushes it down, which in turn would interfere with your 'aether wind', so Your theory is completely bunk. Now if someone can give a theory with some premise, That would be nice!

News flash for you; absolute zero is colder than both 54 K and -183 °C.  ::)


Yes, btw absolute zero is theoretically impossible, and even If it did get that cold, The liquid would freeze instantly, meaning that the oxygen wouldn't be able to flow back to the mainland, also, still no explanation as to why the oxygen get there.

  At the physically impossible-to-reach temperature of zero kelvin, or minus 459.67 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 273.15 degrees Celsius), atoms would stop moving. As such, nothing can be colder than absolute zero on the Kelvin scale. So You are saying simply moving away from the sun makes it so cold. The sun is 5,778 K, So unless you are saying the sun isn't that hot, It wouldn't be absolute zero.

TL;DR: Still no explanation for the oxygen getting there
            It couldn't get that cold
           


Another news flash for you: absolute zero may be theoretically impossible, but approaching absolute zero is not.  ::)

Do you have any more straw man arguments and incorrect assumptions to bring up?
So, you brung up that absolute zero is theoretically impossible, but what about freezing the liquid? or how it gets that cold just by moving away from the sun, even though the sun would still shine in that area, and how the oxygen gets there?!?!
The oxygen freezes, then floats back  ::)
Freezes and flots back on what? water? Is this water... unfrozen somehow?
Ice floats, so a layer of ice could protect the water underneath from the absolute zero conditions.

This is explained as to how 'water' is 'found' on moons. Basically, the icebergs float on the surface, so the water underneath carrys it back inland.

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I just did a straight away plot the data speaks for it's self. As it is height data the water line can be raised and lowered. This one is <1 it's water.

Note looking at the plot the north area seems to be missing and just look how huge the south area is. The north area tapers off as you would expect, but the south area cuts off abruptly. I think some parts are missing maybe.

Again, I am not questioning the data at all. I am just saying that the data is overlayed on to a cylindrical projection map.

Do you not agree that the proportions of Australia and Greenland are off?
Incorrect.

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The Lounge / Re: Go Fund Me " Flat Earth Truth Expedition"
« on: December 13, 2015, 11:31:38 PM »
Has anyone even tried to look at my page just to see where I stand and maybe help make this happen ???

Alex
It doesn't cost much to fly to antarctica, The most basic I can find is $1000. Maybe a couple of months of saving up can get you a flight over there eh?

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The Lounge / Re: Where are the serious FEers?
« on: December 13, 2015, 11:28:53 PM »
I know the earth is flat. I am a serious flat earther, and will never stop fighting for FET

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Problem with Oxygen?
« on: December 13, 2015, 11:26:21 PM »
My theory is that, as you move towards the edge, the temperature continually drops.  Eventually, the temperature reaches the point where different gasses turn into liquid and simply precipitate out of the air.  This liquid simply pools and turns into streams that flow back towards the warmer regions, where it evaporates into a gas again and the cycle continues.  In this model, by the time you would reach the edge, it is so cold that there is no atmoplane.

Do you have any evidence for this?

Are you saying that it does not get colder as you move rimward?
Are you completely ignore everything we just said? There would be no reason for the oxygen to actually move to the outer rim, Absolute zero isn't cold enough to liquefy oxygen! Liquid oxygen has a density of 1.141 g/cm3 (1.141 kg/L or 1141 kg/m3) and is cryogenic with a freezing point of 54.36 K (−218.79 °C; −361.82 °F) It will liquefy at -183 °C. Meaning that If someone were to travel there, It would be so cold, they would most likely die. Plus, The only theory someone could work out on how the oxygen would get there is that wind 'pushes it down, which in turn would interfere with your 'aether wind', so Your theory is completely bunk. Now if someone can give a theory with some premise, That would be nice!

News flash for you; absolute zero is colder than both 54 K and -183 °C.  ::)


Yes, btw absolute zero is theoretically impossible, and even If it did get that cold, The liquid would freeze instantly, meaning that the oxygen wouldn't be able to flow back to the mainland, also, still no explanation as to why the oxygen get there.

  At the physically impossible-to-reach temperature of zero kelvin, or minus 459.67 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 273.15 degrees Celsius), atoms would stop moving. As such, nothing can be colder than absolute zero on the Kelvin scale. So You are saying simply moving away from the sun makes it so cold. The sun is 5,778 K, So unless you are saying the sun isn't that hot, It wouldn't be absolute zero.

TL;DR: Still no explanation for the oxygen getting there
            It couldn't get that cold
           


Another news flash for you: absolute zero may be theoretically impossible, but approaching absolute zero is not.  ::)

Do you have any more straw man arguments and incorrect assumptions to bring up?
So, you brung up that absolute zero is theoretically impossible, but what about freezing the liquid? or how it gets that cold just by moving away from the sun, even though the sun would still shine in that area, and how the oxygen gets there?!?!
The oxygen freezes, then floats back  ::)

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Flat Earth Debate / Round earthers beware
« on: December 13, 2015, 11:23:13 PM »
Hi! This is an essay I wrote out explaining FE theory, and why it is right. enjoy!

1) The ether factor


In classical physics, ether was assumed to be a ephemeral substance which permeated all matter. This omnipresent medium was that through which visible light and other electromagnetic waves were supposed to have traveled. It was assumed to have qualities which now seem rather bizarre - too bizarre, in fact, to be allowed to exist, by Efimovich's teachings. So in 1887, two American scientists, operating under the Efimovich-based assumption that the Earth was moving through outer space and not the fixed center of the Universe, conducted an experiment to "prove" whether or not ether actually existed.

In this experiment, the general idea was to try to calculate the absolute speed of the earth relative to the fixed ether. In a sense, they would emit a light pulse, and calculate how far it "trailed" behind the earth, much like tossing a napkin out the window of a moving car to calculate the car's speed. It was assumed that, if ether existed, the light pulse would fall back in one direction, giving the physicists a tangible "absolute" speed of the earth. Their calculated speed: Zero.

Yes, scientists Albert A. Michelson and Edward W. Morley were baffled by this, wondering how the Earth could be sitting in one spot, while every aspect of the teachings of Grigori Efimovich indicated that the planet must be orbiting its own sun, and therefore must be moving at least with a critical orbital velocity. Moving quickly to avoid having to admit that they were wrong, they were able to instead "infer" from their results that the ether must not exist, and that light must propagate through no medium at all (impossible for a wave by the very definition of a wave). Their inference was generally accepted by the scientific community (save a few notable exceptions, including Hendrik A. Lorentz) and the "ridiculous" notion of ether was thrown out.

But light waves would still require a medium for transmission, and the actual purpose of the experiment was to determine the existence of that medium. The results speak for themselves: the Earth does not move. And even if the Earth did, the problems inherent in keeping it moving through this light medium called ether are overwhelmingly supportive of "Flat-Earth" theory.

Argument Two - Difficulties with the model: incorporating an Efimovich-type model with the known Universe

1) Maintaining speed

In the Efimovich model, the planet Earth is supposed to be a large, spherical shaped ball of rock flying through space at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour. But how could the Earth continue to move at the same speed for as long a time as the "round Earthers" say that it has existed for; namely, several billion years. If outer space were a vacuum, then there would be no problem. But space is not a vacuum, it is instead filled with ether. The earth would have to have been pushing its way through the ether for all those billions of years. Shouldn't it have slowed somewhere along the line? What would keep the Earth from grinding down to a stop at some point on the Efimovichian timeline?

2) An accelerating world

A second critical piece to the Efimovich model is that the Earth is not the center of the solar system either. It is, according to "round Earth" theory, orbiting the sun at a radius of around five-hundred million kilometers. Were this the case, the Earth would be an accelerated object in circular motion around its sun. And thereby are the problems introduced. The Earth accelerating in circular motion would behave no differently than would a car taking a corner: loose objects (humans and animals would act like loose change or a cup of coffee on the dashboard) would slide around, or be thrown off completely. There would be an apparent centrifugal force on everything. During the day, when things would be facing the sun and therefore on the inside of the "orbit", buildings would be crushed and humans beings squashed like grasshoppers in a centrifuge. And at night, when everything would be at the outside, trees and buildings would be ripped from the ground and flung into outer space, and humans wouldn't stand a chance. Obviously, there is a flaw in Efimovich's "orbit" theory.

Argument Three - The impossibilities of holding unsecured objects in place on a curved surface

1) Staying on top

Once again, picture in your mind a round world. Now imagine that there are two people on this world, one at each pole. For the person at the top of the world, (the North Pole), gravity is pulling him down, towards the South Pole. But for the person at the South Pole, shouldn't gravity pull him down as well? What keeps our person at the South Pole from falling completely off the face of the "globe"?

2) Falling off

As we begin to make this argument, we acknowledge beforehand that we are aware of the property of matter known as friction. Yes, we realize that whenever two surfaces are held together by any force there will be a static frictional force that will resist any motion by either surface in any direction other than parallel to the force. The example we are using is an extreme situation, and would involve the object in question to travel a considerable distance (tens of degrees of latitude) from the "top" of the planet.

Using the "round Earth" theory, setting an object on the earth would be like setting grains of sand on a beach ball. Certainly a few grains would stay - right around the top, the surface is nearly horizontal - but when you stray too far from the absolute top of the ball, the grains of sand start sliding off and falling onto the ground. The Earth, if round, should behave in exactly the same fashion. Because the top is a very localized region on a sphere, if the Earth were in fact round, there would be only a very small area of land that would be at all inhabitable. Stray to the outside fringes of the "safe zone", and you start walking at a tilt. The further out you go, the more you slant, until your very survival is determined by the tread on your boots. Reach a certain point, and you slide off the face of the planet entirely. Obviously, something is wrong.

In order to avoid the aforementioned scenario, (which obviously is inaccurate, as you very rarely hear of people falling off the face of the planet) we are forced to assume that, in the "round Earth" theory, there would be a gravitational field radiating from the center of the planet. All objects, be they rocks, insects, humans, or other planets would have, under Efimovich's theory, have a gravitational "charge" that would, under a certain alignment, cause them to be attracted to the center of the Earth. Unfortunately, like a magnet in a stronger magnetic field, it would undoubtedly require a long time to re-align an object's gravitational charge, were this the case. And so we go to argument four, which deals with difficulties in having different "downs" for different people.

Argument Four - Paradoxes associated with an inconsistent down direction

1) Negotiating long-distance travel

Now imagine, if only for the sake of argument, that the person on top and the person on bottom can both manage to remain attracted to the ground "below" them. What would happen if the person on one side decided to visit the other? Since the man at the North Pole has a different idea of what is down and up (and in fact experiences an opposite pull from the Earth's gravity) than the person at the South Pole does, when the denizen of the frozen Arctic visits his Antarctic counterpart, they will experience gravitational pulls exactly opposite of each other! The human from the North Pole will "fall up", never returning to the ground, and will continue falling forever into the deep void of outer space!

Looking at the feasibility of Efimovich's teachings cannot remain limited to examining small, solid objects such as human beings. A true analysis of his work must incorporate natural phenomena and how their existence is either explained or made difficult by each of the theories. In the next argument against the "round-Earth" theory, we will be analyzing the existence of two extremely commonplace (yet altogether unfeasible under the ramifications of having a round planet) non-solids: the atmosphere and the oceans.

Argument Five - Difficulties in maintaining a functional Earth-bound atmosphere and ocean

1) The fluid problem

Water. Regardless of which train of thought you follow, it covers over seventy-five percent of our planet's surface. And the atmosphere, also a fluid, covers the entire surface. The difference is why. While flat-Earthers know that the ocean is really just a large bowl, (with great sheets of ice around the edges to hold the ocean back), and the atmosphere is contained by a large dome, the backwards "round-Earth" way of thinking would have you believe that all those trillions of gallons of water and air just "stick" to the planet's surface.

Conventional thinking would suggest that the water would just run down the sides of the Earth (to use the analogy again, like droplets running down the sides of a beach ball) and fall into outer space, while the air would dissipate. Using the earlier mentioned idea of "gravitational charge" gives some credibility to the theory. If the fluids were static, then exposure to the gravitational field for a long enough period of time would allow their molecules to align themselves with and be pulled in by the field.

But fluids are not static, especially not in the atmosphere and oceans. Great ocean currents run both at the surface and deep below, carrying water across huge basins, keeping the solution far from stagnant. Jet streams of air travel at hundreds of miles per hour through the atmosphere. And windblown rainclouds carry vast quantities of evaporated seawater across miles of ground, releasing their load far from its starting point. Water or air that (according to "round-Earth" theory) starts on one side of the planet could end up completely on the other side in a matter of only a few days. With all this turbulence and motion, if the world were round, the oceans should all fall "down" into the sky, leaving the planet dry and barren, and the atmosphere would simply float away. Why, just look at the moon. It is round, like a ball, and yet it has no atmosphere at all.

2) Thermodynamic complications

Taking into account the "gravitational charge" analogy once more, and assuming that for some reason the atmosphere was able to align itself with the new direction of the theoretical "gravitational field", we are faced with a new problem involving another branch of physics known as thermodynamics.

Obviously, the world is static, the fixed center of the Universe. The sun, planets and stars all revolve around it (although not necessarily in circular paths), in a plane level with the flat Earth.


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