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Flat Earth General / Re: Map

« on: December 22, 2015, 08:58:35 AM »

How do I get a dated looking flat earth map for my office?
Cheers

There is no flat earth map.

There is no ball Earth map.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How does the Flat Earth not move faster than light?

« on: December 20, 2015, 02:45:14 PM »

nothing with mass can move at or above the speed of light.

This is not a law of anything. Gas clouds were observed going faster than the so called speed of light in the mid 1980's. Since then light has been shown to be of varied speeds, not a constant.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How would you measure the distance between Washington, D.C. and Beijing?

« on: December 19, 2015, 08:57:05 PM »

Very carefully.  Thanks for asking. 

I think that he is asking for a specific answer to the method for how it is done. Just out of curiosity, according to the Flat Earth, what is this distance? What is the radius of the Earth? What is the distance from East to West of Australia? If I took a car and drove this distance, using the amount of gas projected for the round Earth Model (based on miles per gallon) what does it mean if I didn't run out of gas because it wasn't nearly 1.5 times longer than traditional maps tell me?

Thus from purely practical data, setting all theories aside, it is ascertained that the diameter of the earth, from the Ross Mountains, or from the volcanic mountains of which Mount Erebus is the chief, to the same radius distance on the opposite side of the northern centre, is more than 10,400 miles; and the circumference, 52,800 statute miles.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za22.htm

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: sun and eyes

« on: December 17, 2015, 10:06:28 PM »

The ball Earth has nothing to do with the real science. All real science experiments have shown that the Earth is not a spinning ball traveling through space. The ball Earth theory is just a math model nothing more. It is nice and fun for some to fantasize about, it amounts to nothing real.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Flat Earth Society's GPS

« on: December 17, 2015, 05:47:45 AM »

I've heard that you guys use land based GPS from cellular towers and the like: What I'd like to know is how it is I've had GPS as a passenger on an airplane going over the ocean. You see, a satellite could do that, a land tower? Not so much.

If you were a passenger on a plane the only way to get a gps signal is through a window. You need at least 4 signals to get a fix. The signals come from the horizon not above from space. I have read about a few balloon hobbyist that had asked their on board gps  manufacture why the gps did not work very well higher up. The manufacture said to make sure you have a clear signal path to the horizon, not a clear signal path to space. The stations are from ground based towers.

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Flat Earth General / Re: I am offering an explanation for each piece of "evidence" you have.

« on: December 17, 2015, 03:51:09 AM »

Hi guys,

I am here to help you all out. Reply any piece of "evidence" you have for a flat earth and I will prove it wrong.

Thank you.

On the flat Earth water levels work, but not on the ball Earth. Why?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: question about the moon

« on: December 17, 2015, 03:27:58 AM »

Dosen't anyone wan't to comment on what is shown in that clip I posted. What , cant  talk your way around what is witnessed in that clip.
Explain how that is possible . With the spherical earth model RE promote & claim is correct. Explain the shadow apparently being cast on the moon by the earth , when earth is not blocking  the suns rays to create that shadow.

The video was shit. The earth isn't casting a shadow on the moon if there is not a lunar eclipse going on. Hope this answers your questions so in the future you won't make such retarded claims.

Explain how there can be an eclipse of the moon when both the moon and the sun are seen by you in the sky at the same time? Please use no magical forces to explain this, thanks.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: destination between countries

« on: December 17, 2015, 03:19:36 AM »

I have flown that direct route before. San Diego-LA area to Anchorage Alaska to Japan. On the flat Earth map it is almost a straight line, except some countries make you skirt them a little.

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Flat Earth General / Re: why are these round earth people here?

« on: December 17, 2015, 02:58:41 AM »

Some are likely paid shills and detractors. A few share an account so they have 24 hour dis-info agent coverage it seems like. They can get pretty nasty when they run out of argument or if you don't fold right away.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat Earth 'MAP' is just an azimuthal projection. FE debunked.

« on: December 17, 2015, 02:00:57 AM »

Actually, there is only one standard ball earth globe.

No, not really. Just look at them they are all messed up one why or the other. NASA is the worst none of their stuff is the same map to map. The lat lon system is the same, that is just a reference system.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: how to explain the fact that we can go around the earth ?

« on: December 16, 2015, 07:11:00 AM »

We all agree that we can go around earth, how do you explain it with the flat earth theory ?

It is a bit much to walk or swim, so you should take an airplane or a big boat.

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Flat Earth General / Re: OMG I'm in space

« on: December 16, 2015, 07:08:19 AM »

To leave the Earth completely and to escape the gravitational pull of the Earth is what I said.

Pssh, that's easy. Just exceed Earth's escape velocity of about 40,000 km/h. Really, all you have to do is strap on a booster powerful enough to a payload and accelerate to that speed to get past Earth's gravitational influence.

You should really learn how space travel works before trying to disprove it and making yourself look like a fool.

If that ever did happen with the lack of gravity in your space void how is you little rocket machine going to catch up with the Earth that is moving around the sun at  66,660 miles an hour? You and your rocket would be Lost In Space watching the Earth fade away.

rocket in space? no picture it didn't happen.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Why mankind will always be stuck to Earth and visiting aliens are impossible...

« on: December 16, 2015, 03:11:33 AM »

Huh? We have things called "rockets" you know, which will only advance technologically as time progresses. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say here.

There is no proof of rockets in 'space'. No picture it never happened, period.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would convince you the world was round?

« on: December 15, 2015, 07:33:16 PM »

HI, bit new here and still trying to get my head around all the facts. I don’t like just theory and strive to understand, but looking to be convinced, which means I got lots of questions…If the earth was a globe/ball with the dimensions they suggest how the hell did they build the Suez Canal?? It’s 102 miles long, joins the red sea to the med, a man made cut of 26ft depth and has NO LOCKS (means it's FLAT!). This should have 1.2Miles of curvature allowance but it’s completely flat on the earths surface for 102 miles?? How?? If it was flat/horizontal for 102 miles the center of this should be in 1.2 mile deep gully cut through the ball, how does this work on a ball?? Anyone explain??  (Mods, if this in the wrong place please move, not got around all the threads yet)

Don't know how 'Bump' works here........but 'Bump'!  Be interested in someone discussing this?

No need to wait an answer is not possible. There is no curve so the ball Earth theory is not valid. It is only an exercise in math and theory with no bases in physical fact.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Rocket launch

« on: December 15, 2015, 07:29:20 PM »

Big deal.  I launched rockets in my backyard when I was a kid.  Bigger rockets just generally go higher than smaller rockets.  It is really not as impressive as you make it out to be.

Meh. I launched rockets, too. Difference is, they never cleared atmosphere.

So you have proof of this? No you do not.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What do people have to gain from lying to us that the Earth is Flat?

« on: December 15, 2015, 07:27:20 PM »

The King of England made believing in the ball Earth Theory as part of his new bible. It was placed in all parts of the Kings realm. People were punished for coming out against it. The sun never set on the British Empire. Vast parts of the Earth and it's people were made to be ballTards.

wiki
The British Empire,.. As a result, its political, legal, linguistic and cultural legacy is widespread. At the peak of its power, the phrase "the empire on which the sun never sets" was often used to describe the British Empire, because its expanse around the globe meant that the sun was always shining on at least one of its territories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire

OBEY the royals or else.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What do people have to gain from lying to us that the Earth is Flat?

« on: December 15, 2015, 07:26:48 PM »

All legal property documents and State plane surveys are flat Earth maps, wonder way. Data needs to be distorted to fit the ball Earth.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Flat Earth Society Mission Statement and History...

« on: December 15, 2015, 07:07:41 PM »

discussion of Flat Earth theory

This is the only part that is in error. It should read, discussion of Flat Earth Plane.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Eric Dubay IFERS Forum

« on: December 15, 2015, 07:26:13 AM »

I looked in to this a little more and removed my other post. Some of his stuff is just to messed up to be associated with.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: How do we fight the Machine from within? Plan for Mainstream Support.

« on: December 14, 2015, 11:20:17 PM »

I think you only missed The Lockness monster and Chemtrails. But you seem to have the rest.

When your argument is reduced to insults and belittlement you have none.

There is no physical proof of the ball Earth theory, none. The earth has no curve. No curve then it is not a ball, not a ball then you cannot call it a sphere. The Earth is and always has been a flat plane.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: How do we fight the Machine from within? Plan for Mainstream Support.

« on: December 14, 2015, 04:32:27 PM »

Great post and synopses. You don't have to work very hard at it. The common thread has been that once someone becomes aware of the deception all the 'magic' is gone. Many say how refreshing just going outside is to where they are at home. Coming home to the flat plane of the Earth is a life changing event that is irreversible.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Helicopter At North Pole Test

« on: December 14, 2015, 04:23:55 PM »

If the ball Earth theory were true what you describe is an accurate depiction of what should happen. Just the mere conceptualization of your query proves the Earth is a flat plane that is not moving. This little test all by itself proves that the ball Earth theory to be false, a lie, a deception and not valid.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: "Assault" weapons, what do you think about them?

« on: December 14, 2015, 04:15:22 PM »

Calling anything an assault rifle is just done to dramatize the statement. Any semi-auto weapon is a far cry from being an assault rifle. Auto loading rifles are a good choice for things like coyote and wild pig hunting where multiple secondary targets can be engaged. Besides being a fair hunting weapon they make good force multipliers for the little women to even the fight.

Only free men are armed.
Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns.
The God given right to self protection shall not be infringed.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round earthers beware

« on: December 14, 2015, 03:27:07 PM »

On the theoretical ball Earth where water is bent to the ball Earth's curvature what makes rivers run up hill? Also, how does a water level work on the ball Earth where all water is curved to fit the ball and the height of the water is different all around you?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The impossibilities of Flat Earth - intellectual debate

« on: December 14, 2015, 03:12:50 PM »

5 - I am very curious to hear any explanation of plate tectonics on a Flat Earth. What happens; are continents "falling off the Flat Earth" or how are continents moving through geological time? In a Flat Earth idea, what is causing the Atlantic coastal shapes of Africa and South America to fit so perfectly?

The question is also where the magma producing volcanic areas is coming from in a Flat Earth and how come it is so restricted to the well-studied volcanic provinces and chains on Earth, with the most notable example the circum-Pacific Ring of Fire.

Nothing in your point 5 has any bearing on anything.
The tectonic theory is far far being a proven thing. There are places were the supposed plates are move in two directions. The placement of the land masses and their ever fitting together is mere speculation. How the continents look on a map has to do with high the water is, not very long ago the water was some 300 feet less and the land mass looked much different.. The same could be said about the ball Earth, why don't the continents fall off the bottom of the Earth.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The impossibilities of Flat Earth - intellectual debate

« on: December 14, 2015, 03:03:03 PM »

4 - in a Flat Earth situation the center of the circle/North Polar region receives much more heat than the edge/southern hemisphere. Yet we do not observe any climatic biasing pattern based on that flat idea on Earth. The arctic region is much colder than the equatorial region while in a Flat Earth the latter receives much less heat (per time and per area).

The illumination of the arctic on 21st June is all-day, while the same effect happens on Earth on 21st Dec in the antarctic region. In a Flat Earth model it is impossible to illuminate Antarctica 24/7; so it does not coincide with the observations making it an impossible 'model' for the Earth.

The same could be said about the ball Earth theory. The sun energy over the year is about the same between the north and the south, but the north is moderate in climate and the south is frigid with extreme cold. Why?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The impossibilities of Flat Earth - intellectual debate

« on: December 14, 2015, 02:59:17 PM »

3 - there are multiple problems with the trigonometry and the movement of the Sun in the Flat Earth idea. In Flat Earth the Sun is supposed to be tiny (some 32 miles across?) and very close by (only 5000 miles). It makes the Sun about 100,000 times smaller than the Earth and very close to the surface.
On 21st of June the Sun is roughly in zenith above Dubai (tropic of Cancer).
On 21st of December the Sun is roughly in zenith above Rio de Janeiro (tropic of Capricorn).

This makes that the Sun is only 5000 miles away on 21-Jun/21-Dec in Dubai/Rio. This means the Sun is supposedly much closer to Dubai on 21 Jun than in Rio on the same day. Yet, the apparent size of the Sun is the same. That is impossible if the Sun is so tiny as the slightest variation in size is noticed immediately. That the Sun looks equal in size from wherever you are on Earth points to a big Sun and far away and not to a tiny Sun (smaller than the island of Bali!) close by.

This effect is even enhanced when we look at Oslo/Ushuaia (~55 deg North/South). From those places the Sun on 21 Dec/21 Jun is 10,200 km away; more than twice as far as the Sun is from Dubai/Rio on the same day. Yet the Sun does not look twice as big from those places.

On top of that the supposition that the Earth is flat makes that the Sun has a much bigger circle ("orbit") on 21 Dec than on 21 Jun. The angular velocity of the Sun across the sky however is the same (1 Earth day). It would mean the Sun moves much (almost 70%) faster on 21 Dec than on 21 Jun to keep holding this idea.

Yet the same amounts of light and heart are produced per surface area, something which is impossible with variable circling velocities (to not use "orbital velocity").

You are already living on the flat plane of the Earth so everything is already working as it should. You seem like a clever person maybe you could further define what is going on and the relationships you address.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The impossibilities of Flat Earth - intellectual debate

« on: December 14, 2015, 02:46:24 PM »

2 - the Flat Earth map cannot represent the continents in the right way. Due to the distortion at the edge of the Flat Earth (or the southern hemisphere in spherical Earth) the size of Australia is extremely boosted. Also the size of North America becomes too small, Africa suddenly becomes bigger than Asia. This makes it an impossible map to hold.

The exact same thing can be said fro the ball Earth maps. There are many versions with there being no standard map. When real world data is applied to a ball there is a lot of distortion at the poles. The only place on the ball Earth map that is not distorted is the equator.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What do people have to gain from lying to us that the Earth is Flat?

« on: December 14, 2015, 02:42:52 PM »

This has been talked about at about a few hundred places you should be able to find the discussions easily.

It is usually always the same with anything liars do, money power control and saving face.
If you were lying for 500 years would you admit it? A lot of money has been made with the ball Earth theory. As just one example take nasa. Billions of taxpayer dollars going nowhere and doing nothing. A perfect scam really, I wonder who is getting all that money? They are not likely to want to lose that little game. If they came clean and admitted they have been deceiving you would they have to pay the money back?  Any lie can be justified in the mind of the liar, anything.

Maybe they have the betterment of mankind and their protection as the core of their deception.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The impossibilities of Flat Earth - intellectual debate

« on: December 14, 2015, 02:15:49 PM »

1 - I've seen that one of the foundational arguments for Flat Earth seems to be the curvature in a spherical Earth model. It is stated that there would be a kind of squared relation that makes the curvature increase (a drop due to curvature in the first mile of 8 inches suddenly increases over the next mile to 16 inches?). That cannot be true for a spherical Earth; if the Earth is a near-sphere, every slice of it becomes a circle and circles have constant curvature by definition. So if the drop over the first mile is 8 inches, the drop over the next mile is still 8 inches and cannot increase nor decrease. Variable curvature is only possible in ellipses (the slice of an ellipsoid) and the Earth is not an ellipse, in none of the models.

You are a little confused about what is being show by the ((milesXmiles)X8)/12
wiki diagram


Nice page here with explination and sheet.
http://flatvsround.blogspot.com/2015/10/how-to-calculate-distance-to-horizon.html

wiki horizon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon

Thanks for the image and links.

Looking at the image you see that there's a horizontal line drawn going from the North Pole to the right (line "d"). That line is completely imaginary. It doesn't exist. The only line that exists is the line "s"; the surface of the Earth where we do all our observations.

When going along that line (the only possible path we have) from the North Pole to R, the curvature of the circle is constant; so the drop from horizontal is also constant. The same holds for the next step, from R to R2/R', another distance "s".

Point O is another imaginary point and not a really existing one.

If one says that "from point A (observer) to the horizon 100 miles farther away (B) the drop is 100*8" = 800 inches (or ~20 meters), then that same effect needs to happen over the next 100 miles (to C); so from A to C the drop would be 2x800/20 = 1600 inches or 40 meters".

Trying to fiddle in a squared relation here is incorrect; the curvature along a circle doesn't change. By definition.

What about the other points? You seem to think the Earth is Flat, so I am curious about what you think of them.

You are incorrect. Did you even read the information at the links I provided? Your invalid assumptions are casing miscalculation on your part. You cannot just make up your own version of math to use it to make a point.