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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Sceptics wanted

« on: October 28, 2008, 05:34:18 PM »

Haha, it takes you to Disney.

ya i lold when that happened

Yeah; same.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Sceptics wanted

« on: October 28, 2008, 02:42:16 PM »

I went threough the whole thing and I didn't really get it. I wanted to get it because I believe in God but it just didn't add up.

Yeah, eh, I'm a monotheist but that thing made me want to be atheist.

One can believe in subjective morality and God at the same time. >_>

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Heaven: with or without freewill?

« on: October 26, 2008, 02:36:53 PM »

I'm somewhat of a hard determinationist, bar the acknowledgment of the randomness of quantum mechanics, but randomness isn't free will anyway.

Basically, I believe that we do not possess free will now, so in heaven, if heaven exists, I don't believe that it is possible for us to possess free will then.

determinist, not determinationist.

Ah right; thanks for the correction.

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The Lounge / Re: This is why cats > Dogs.

« on: October 26, 2008, 10:05:05 AM »

Plus lol cats own the Internet now.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Heaven: with or without freewill?

« on: October 26, 2008, 09:48:02 AM »

I'm somewhat of a hard determinationist, bar the acknowledgment of the randomness of quantum mechanics, but randomness isn't free will anyway.

Basically, I believe that we do not possess free will now, so in heaven, if heaven exists, I don't believe that it is possible for us to possess free will then.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Origin of life

« on: October 25, 2008, 11:58:25 AM »

I see what you did there.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Question About God

« on: October 20, 2008, 01:19:04 PM »

Well, I'd just say that intelligence isn't related to faith. Faith is formed by nurture, personal experience, personal revelation, and stuff like that, and isn't caused by a lack or surplus of intelligence.

Atheists can be smart, and they can also be dumb; the same for theists, in my opinion anyway.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Question About God

« on: October 19, 2008, 02:20:06 PM »

God does not exsist. I know this for a fact. The suffering He has put me through, and many others is proof enough. Strangely enough, though... I find myself wanting a God to exsist, for it would be comforting.... but comfort is not something I need, or want. Life is a stagnant pool of despair.

Sadly,

Sarah Sordid

Yet again, my signature's content may be in use here. Please take a read.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Other?

« on: October 19, 2008, 10:34:53 AM »

My computer desk MAY be made out of an extremely rare form of Greek cheese but it isn't likely and certainly isn't helpful to believe that it is.

Which is a great example to justify the mindset of "weak atheists".

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Question About God

« on: October 19, 2008, 09:48:46 AM »

AbdulAziz, you must realize that a deity may exist, even if the present monotheist religions are incorrect.

"Just because someone planted an artifact in a cave, and it is then "discovered", doesn't necessarily mean that another artifact can't still be lurking there, not planted by any human."

Genesis does state that God made man in his own image, of course this is up to different interpretation.

The well known monotheist religions of today could be wrong, and yet, a single deity may exist. So just because a holy text states that "God made man in his own image" doesn't necessarily mean that if God exists, then: "God made man in his own image". It just means that a holy text states that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Other?

« on: October 19, 2008, 09:35:01 AM »

agnostic isn't sure either way

This is what I used to believe years ago, but apparently, agnosticism is the state of belief that the truthfulness of religions (and reality) can never be known by humans, or is currently unknowable, depending on the form of agnosticism.

So basicaly, there are people who are personally unsure, and then there are agnostics, who believe no one can know.


But then, there are also weak atheists, who don't believe in any deities because of lack of evidence (but still acknowledge that deities may exist), while strong atheists are those who believe that no entities exist, even though, with the evidence we have, deities may exist.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are you FEer or REer

« on: October 18, 2008, 06:37:40 PM »

Non-debating REer, who hasn't been here in ages, spent most of the time in the Religion and Philosophy forum, and who is back in an attempt to procrastinate homework.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: January 01, 2008, 06:07:41 PM »

This is the point in the game where I remove the doors and windows from the bathroom, to entrap those damn Sims who welcome you to the neighborhood, then won't leave.

The best part is when you prank call the police and then build a fence around them when they walk through your garden. That way they can't give out to your sims.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God Sucks!!!

« on: December 31, 2007, 08:04:03 PM »

Don't you Christians out the think your god is a shitty parent? Haven't you noticed how poorly he/she/it/faggot takes care of you? What about you Catholics? Do you like how your preists rape little boys buttholes? Don't you all think it's time to wake up?

Pleasure and torture coexisting is interesting. I thank Yahweh for providing an interesting existence. Read my signature.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 30, 2007, 09:16:20 PM »

Oh, good to hear! 

Hey, I understand. Just remember: you can't get a hangover if you don't stop being drunk!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 30, 2007, 06:06:25 PM »

quoting out of context. nice.

I was rephrasing your sentence to make it more accurate. That is not my exact definition no. I was explaining how a brain could be random.

Excuse me, but I am not attempting to "win any games" here. I wish to understand what you believe free will is. If you do not wish to reveal that information to me, I'm ok with that, just tell me that it is none of my business. If you do wish to tell me what you believe, then please do it now instead of treating me like some of the other posters on this forum (aka the posters that use the phrases/expressions: "noobs"; "I win"; "you lose"; " "), please.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 30, 2007, 03:54:16 PM »

And now we get to the glass half full argument.

You are abusing the definition of free will. Quit trying to be cool.

Please humor me and tell me if it correct that your definition of free will is:

No it is when a couple thousand electrons go through your brain picking out which path is most used by how easily they travel down it and this causing biochemical reactions that decide what you will do.

That is free will.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 29, 2007, 09:49:18 AM »

Exactly. So no matter what i give to you, you will say it's not free will. Our definitions of free will our different. yours are the 80's era cheap movie definition.

Whatever, but your definition gives false hope. I think we believe the same thing, we are just debating over terminology here. However, I could be mistaken.

I don't wish to debate over terminology, I wish to clarify understanding.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 28, 2007, 09:56:18 PM »

well then you're basically eliminating any chance of free will. You are claiming the end product is us, but demanding that the unfinished product makes decisions which would invariably not be us.

Your definition of free will is the flaw in this.

The problem with your post there is that I believe "free will" to be non existent.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 28, 2007, 09:52:09 PM »

To a point, the host dictates the development then once birth is given it dictates what it does and does not like to eat(crying for pissoff I don't like that and grabby arms for woo gimme I like that), changing it's diet to what it prefers, changing it's self slightly via choice of diet causing a physical change via free will. This is evidential in twins.

With twins, it's the two seconds holding in the arms more than the other, the extra brussel sprout put on one of their plates, and the fact that the twins both occupy their own space (different line of sights and territories) that make the difference during their individual developments. The universe does not treat the two twins the same, and therefore the twins will not turn out to be the same.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 28, 2007, 09:24:29 PM »

You're confusing software with hardware.
Our genes (software) program our stem cells (hardware) and yes we do have a variation to choose from depending on actions we take. We can inadvertently muck up this biological process by radiation, mutalation, diet and many other things.

Well my point is that a human does not chose (the state of/or) any of the components that constituted itself initially.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: I beleive in a concave Earth

« on: December 28, 2007, 09:16:27 PM »

The problem with your theory is that there is still the requirement of the existence of gravity/the acceleration of the Earth upwards for bodies to "roll towards the middle".

According to the theory of gravity, the Earth is concave shaped, illustrated by the revealing of another "dimention" (I use inverted commas because I believe that gravity is not a dimention because an object cannot exist at two different places along the same point exclusively to the "dimention" of gravity (gravitational planes are a different matter)), the "dimention" of gravity.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 28, 2007, 09:01:51 PM »

No I meant these are the things that decide what we are. Yes we do not choose these, but what would we use to decide who we are? I say our genes are us. And they guide the rest of the building of the brain. So yes WE have free will. If now wtf do you think we are?

Fucking spiritualists.

The problem there is that a human does not chose its genes. So, are humans' "free wills" any different from a computer program's?

You offended me by sounding like Bullhorn, don't take too much offense or anything I say seriously as I might be a bit tired and drunk.

Oh, thats cool then 

I understand.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 28, 2007, 08:30:21 PM »

No. We have about as much choice in life as the chromosomes ripped from our parents cells, where we are born, who we are raised by and every experience in our life.


I know the grammar went to shit but read hard and you'll get it.

And all the things you listed that constitute one's "free will" was not controlled or chosen by them. Therefore, the "free will" humans have is similar to the "free will" computer programs have. Am I correct?

Shut up, you wishy washy penguinbag. Ultimately you die, but it's what you do prior to that termination that seperates you from such uncontrollably brain drooling metaphors such as a leaf. You have free will (if you can actually make scenario splitting descisions for yourself that is) to a certain extent (example: to walk infront of a bus or not to), make the most of it or die, thanks.

Where is your words of anger coming from? What have I done to offend you? I believe your reaction was unauthorized.

Anyway, getting to your example, the choice one makes when in the presence of a moving bus: to walk in front of it or not to, is decided by factors of which the person had no control of. For example, normally, I would presume you chose not to walk in front of a bus, correct? Well, what happens if one day, one of your parents/guardians rapes you, and you become very stressed and confused to the point where you become suicidal. That particular day, you chose to walk in front of the next moving bus, which causes your death. The experience you had earlier in that day was of no control of yours, yet the choice you made was different. Also note, that the factors which constitutes you on a normal day that determine that you won't commit suicide were developed by experiences you had no control over.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 28, 2007, 04:34:14 PM »

No it is when a couple thousand electrons go through your brain picking out which path is most used by how easily they travel down it and this causing biochemical reactions that decide what you will do.

That is free will.

So basicaly, Humans have as much control over themselves as they have control over which path a leaf will take flowing down a system of streams/rivers.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 27, 2007, 01:46:41 PM »

That what does the application of death do to the disease of life?

Er...I don't get your question. Many diseases can cause death if left untreated, which is in most cases, an undesirable occurrence. To alleviate symptoms and prevent death, cures are remedied for diseases. Life, which ends in death, has no cure.

Wopes! My bad. the "That" in my question is a typo of "Then".

Define control over yourself. You decide what you will do. The fact that what you will do can be predicted was your argument for lack of free will. I told you it's unpredictable and you say it's still not a decision.

Think about what you are trying to say then have fun.

So according to you, "free will" is the result of when a couple of thousand of dice are thrown?

Given enough figures, you could probably predict the future.

Maybe that's what he's saying.

Bingo

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 25, 2007, 01:21:33 AM »

That what does the application of death do to the disease of life?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Life is just a big version of The Sims.

« on: December 25, 2007, 12:32:45 AM »

Well, I would do exactly what you are doing right now, if I had the same genetics as you, the same experiences, and if I were in the same situation.

The universe shaped us all, the universe gives us our situations. We are similar to programs.

Not quite. Set in the same EXACT situation twice, quantum mechanics says that the electrons in our brains could take a different course. We could in fact do something else simply because a different thought would come to our heads.

QM = Free will.


(or at least unpredictability)

Which still means you have no control over yourself.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Now here's an idea regarding the conspiracy

« on: December 24, 2007, 04:58:24 PM »

Then why, in my first image, are the words in the magnifying glass lens broken and misaligned from the background text?

Because the magnifying glass has magnified the image. The magnified image's axises are still proportioned correctly.

You apparently don't know how lenses work, since glasses filled with water were the very first lenses, invented in 2000 B.C. by the Ancient Greeks.

If you look at at a straw in a glass of water in the position where the straw has no parallax with its image in the water filled part of the glass, then there is no angle of refraction.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: If we are not looking at something, does it still exist?

« on: December 24, 2007, 04:46:32 PM »

Obviously. What kinda retard thinks the opposite?