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Flat Earth Q&A / Stop being DAs
« on: September 20, 2006, 03:21:03 AM »
Quote from: "WisconsinAmmo"
Quote from: "Curious"
Quote from: "beast"
Quote from: "Bugman"
I agree, we should all stop playing Devil's Advocate.

(I don't actually agree with this, but it should be fun to argue)


He doesn't literally mean we should stop advocating Satan.  It's a metaphor.

No, I believe he is trying to inspire us to support Satan, and to promote his rule on this earth, engage in sodomy, bestiality, pedophilia, and to vote republican.


Bestiality and pedophilia are forms of sodomy if I'm not mistaken.


All depends on the method of intercourse used.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Stop being DAs
« on: September 19, 2006, 04:40:02 PM »
I agree, we should all stop playing Devil's Advocate.

(I don't actually agree with this, but it should be fun to argue)

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Top 10 favourite fictional books
« on: September 19, 2006, 04:35:11 PM »
Quote from: "Erasmus"
As for other people's stuff I also add my votes to



except that I say "in particular Guards, Guards! and Jingo," the latter mostly because of the line, "loitering with intent, loitering within tent..."


I almost added Jingo, and a couple of others, but I had to draw the line. I'm a massive Macbeth fan (hit the dirt, thespians), so I adore Wyrd Sisters.

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Arts & Entertainment / Top 10 favourite fictional books
« on: September 19, 2006, 09:18:51 AM »
I could never pick a top 10, I read way too much (or I did, uni made me slow down), but I would heartily recommend any of the following:

American Gods by Neil Gaiman.

The Discworld series by Terry Pratchett, in particular Hogfather, Night Watch, Wyrd Sisters and Lords and Ladies.

A Dog Called Demolition by Robert Rankin.

The Wyrd Museum Trilogy, by Robin Jarvis.

Plus, if you have any younger relations, say about 12 ish, I would suggest The Mistmantle Chronicles by Margi McAllister, and The Phantom Tollbooth by Norton Juster.

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The Lounge / Pope Benedict's comment about Islam
« on: September 17, 2006, 08:39:43 AM »
Quote from: "irishpeter"
The man is an idiot! Although I could expect little more from a man who proudly served the Hitler Youth.

This does raise an interesting point about Papal infallibility. Was he wrong when he made the original statement, or was he wrong when he admitted he was wrong?!


He hasn't admitted he was wrong. His apology was a masterpiece of phrasing, in that he stated he was sorry that Muslims were upset about it.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Earth: Flat or Round
« on: September 16, 2006, 04:28:18 PM »
Quote from: "troy2000"
Yes, I have observed ship sinking below the horizon many times.  It is most definitely not an illusion.  I have sometimes seen extremely large ship sink and completely disappear.

Something else which also interests me is why in almost every thread. people are shouting "Conspiracy, Conspiracy!".  But there is absolutely no reason to even post this, when there is no motive, meaning that no evidence what-so-ever exists to prove it.

These sorts of questions have been asked constantly, and nobody has been able to give an intelligent answer which does not rely on other un-provable factors.


The motive is irrelevant. The argument for a conspiracy is what is philosophically known as a deductively valid argument, meaning if the premises are true, then the conclusion cannot be false. Therefore, all you have to do is prove the premise, and the conclusion takes care of itself.

As a result, people can happily spend time looking for scientific flat earth proof, knowing that if they find any, it by simple logical process proves the presence of a conspiracy, without any need for determining a mens rea.

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The Lounge / Second biggest sport in the world?
« on: September 13, 2006, 05:42:17 AM »
Fencing! Because if you don't agree, we stab you. Also, horse racing attracts a great deal of interest internationally.

Cricket is much better than baseball.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Math Proof Earth is Round
« on: September 12, 2006, 02:39:24 PM »
Off you go and do it then, and we'll wait here.

All you've done is show that a sphere has properties which a disc does not. You haven't shown that those properties are possessed by the Earth.

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The Lounge / 911 Conspiracy discusion
« on: September 12, 2006, 02:36:49 PM »
I don't think there's anything suspicious about them deciding to perform a controlled demolition on building 7. It would possibly be necessary for safety purposes, and it's only one building.

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The Lounge / 911 Conspiracy discusion
« on: September 11, 2006, 05:28:14 PM »
Quote from: "WisconsinAmmo"
Quote from: "DrPoodle"
Quote from: "WisconsinAmmo"
There is no way those planes could of made those 2 towers collapse the way it did, it just denies physics.

So does a Flat Earth.


These are sperate. The heat that it would take to make the support beams brake, is far beyond, the heat that the fire from the planes made, that's been   proven through tests they had to do on all metals before they made the building. Even then, it wouldn't make it fall from the bottom.

but let's us not debate about this here, make a new topic, if you must.


Jet fuel burns at 825C and, while steel melts at 1525C, it loses half its strength and structural integrity at 648C.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Just a question.
« on: September 08, 2006, 04:19:22 PM »
Quote from: "Mephistopheles"
Quote from: "Bugman"
The principle is fairly basic. The function of many of the arguments on this site is to prove that the Earth is flat. If it can be proved that the Earth is flat, then the government would surely know that it is. Ergo, they would be lying.

In normal circumstances, the presence of a motive for the conspiracy would be essential. However, it can be bypassed simply by proving a necessity: if the Earth is flat, there is a conspiracy. Simple logic. It can be fun to speculate on the potential motives, even if you're just messing around, but ultimately it brings nothing to the debate.

I recognise that saying "the reason is unknown" is not the most satisfying conclusion. However, whereas in most cases a motive would be a necessity, in this case it is not, as proof of a flat Earth would also prove the existence of a conspiracy. Therefore, discovering the motive could safely wait until proof of flat Earth is found.


Indeed bugman.  The problem is, you're going to be ignored just like me, Cinlef, Erasmus, Unimportant, EnragedPenguin, 6strings, and many other people who have been stressing this.


It's understandable that people would demand a motive at first. Modern society demands explanations for all actions. At first, I was annoyed at the dismissal of the need for a motive, because it felt like a cop-out. However, I thought about it, and realised that it is not an imminent necessity. I would presume that most casual visitors are just unwilling to apply to much thought to the matter.

To be honest, when I first came here a couple of months ago, it was for the sole purpose of trolling and winding people up. Once I understood the nature of the forums better, I was kind of won over, and that's when I started applying actual thought to the matter. I think anyone who sticks around for more than a fleeting visit should ultimately be able to get hold of the principles.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Just a question.
« on: September 08, 2006, 04:10:18 PM »
The principle is fairly basic. The function of many of the arguments on this site is to prove that the Earth is flat. If it can be proved that the Earth is flat, then the government would surely know that it is. Ergo, they would be lying.

In normal circumstances, the presence of a motive for the conspiracy would be essential. However, it can be bypassed simply by proving a necessity: if the Earth is flat, there is a conspiracy. Simple logic. It can be fun to speculate on the potential motives, even if you're just messing around, but ultimately it brings nothing to the debate.

I recognise that saying "the reason is unknown" is not the most satisfying conclusion. However, whereas in most cases a motive would be a necessity, in this case it is not, as proof of a flat Earth would also prove the existence of a conspiracy. Therefore, discovering the motive could safely wait until proof of flat Earth is found.

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Flat Earth Q&A / PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND, REALLY.
« on: August 31, 2006, 03:41:09 PM »
Quote from: "qwerty789"
So, what does this have to do with FE theory then? The sun isn't in the atmosphere.


So do we receive no heat from the Sun?

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Flat Earth Q&A / PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND, REALLY.
« on: August 31, 2006, 03:37:34 PM »
Quote from: "qwerty789"
Quote from: "Bugman"


Because being in the proximity of something hot will raise your body temperature. The sun is ludicrously hot (5780 Kelvin), so something that hot would gradually raise the body temperature of anything close enough to lethal levels: the body can only take so much heat.

It wouldn't be instantaneous, obviously.


This should be interesting...

And how would this 'heat' come over to cook me or whatever nonsense you're talking about? Magically teleport through empty space?


I wasn't suggesting the heat source was in a vacuum.

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Flat Earth General / Space Shuttle Launch - Cannot Be Faked
« on: August 31, 2006, 03:36:11 PM »


This was made in MSPaint, completely from scratch. If that's what you can do with the most basic image software, what can the US government do?

I'm actually a round earther, I just love to debate and play devil's advocate.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Occam's Razor
« on: August 31, 2006, 03:19:29 PM »
Well, I could just search for them, eh?

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Flat Earth General / Re: 3d
« on: August 31, 2006, 03:18:21 PM »
Quote from: "troy2000"
Images do not seem to help w prove anything here as many people assume they are fake and CG.  However, I happen to work in CG.  I know what the limits are.  No CG image can possibly be this realistic.  By todays level of technology it is impossible.  But decide for yourself:



Well, that looks conclusive.

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Flat Earth Q&A / PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND, REALLY.
« on: August 31, 2006, 03:16:49 PM »
Quote from: "CrimsonKing"
Quote from: "Bugman"

It wouldn't be instantaneous, obviously.



Ummm... but lightning is very close to instantaneous, so good work proving the other persons point, oh and btw, a grain of sand that hot, wouldnt really matter, as entropy would whoop its ass real quick.


I never actually disputed the temperature of the lightning. I said I would be surprised, but I didn't actually know. I'm not one of those people who fiercely maintains they are right in the face of overwhelming evidence, I was just genuinely surprised that it was a possibility.

The grain of sand is theoretical, based on it managing to maintain it's temperature, as the sun does. It's a physical impossibility that illustrates a point. If something that size were able to maintain that temperature, that is the damage that would be done.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Occam's Razor
« on: August 31, 2006, 03:09:52 PM »
Quote from: "CrimsonKing"
if you consider what I said an answer, youre wayyy too easily pacified


It was only really a casual question that occurred to me. I wasn't looking for in depth debate.

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Flat Earth General / Space Shuttle Launch - Cannot Be Faked
« on: August 31, 2006, 03:04:35 PM »
Quote from: "dysfunction"
Especially since a number of planes in history have had rocket engines; the two are not mutually exclusive.


I thought they had, but I wasn't sure, so I checked up on the X-15, which apparently did.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ok
« on: August 31, 2006, 03:01:07 PM »
Quote from: "qwerty789"
Quote from: "troy2000"
The Shuttle does not use jets or propellers.  Also, if you really knew the Shuttle's atmospheric flight capabillities, then you would also know that it handles like a brick.  It was designed to be used primarily in space.  It only uses wings to allow it to navigate when it re-enters the Earth's atmosphere(and you doubt it even leaves this).  The Shuttle has no powered flight while in the atmosphere.  This does not sound like a plane to me.


Oh yes it does:



How those aren't 'jets' to you is hilarious.

Also, just because you made a BAD PLANE doesn't mean it still isn't a PLANE. It has wings, and goes through the air. It's a plane.


I think he is quibbling the difference between jet engines and rocket engines. However,  there is nothing to prevent an aircraft from having a rocket engine, though it may not be ideal.

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Flat Earth Q&A / PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND, REALLY.
« on: August 31, 2006, 02:56:00 PM »
Quote from: "qwerty789"
Quote from: "Bugman"
A grain of sand as hot as the sun would kill everything within 30 miles of it,


You're wrong. I don't know where do even start so I'm going to have to toss it back to you.

Why would we die?


Because being in the proximity of something hot will raise your body temperature. The sun is ludicrously hot (5780 Kelvin), so something that hot would gradually raise the body temperature of anything close enough to lethal levels: the body can only take so much heat.

It wouldn't be instantaneous, obviously.

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Flat Earth Q&A / PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND, REALLY.
« on: August 31, 2006, 02:53:27 PM »
Quote from: "qwerty789"
Quote from: "Bugman"
I'd surprised as well if it was hotter than sun, given that people can survive contact with one.


You've just quite nicely demostrated how clueless you are.  :lol:


I know how lightning bolts cause damage, but superheating surface moisture to evaporation tempuratures in a fraction of a second counts as "contact" to me. People have been left with scars from instantaneously evaporating gold jewellery.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Occam's Razor
« on: August 31, 2006, 02:50:43 PM »
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "Bugman"
Seriously, I'm not going to search through the forums for an answer when it's actually quicker to ask.


The people on these forums who see this exact question two to three times a week are probably not going to bother answering, so it would be significantly faster to use the search feature.



Except someone did. Sweet!

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Flat Earth Q&A / PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND, REALLY.
« on: August 31, 2006, 02:20:53 PM »
Quote from: "Curious"
Huh???  You do know that a bolt of lightning is hotter than the surface of the Sun? Having been within a hundred yards of lighning bolts, I think you are wrong.


A lightning bolt exists for an extremely short space of time. I'd surprised as well if it was hotter than sun, given that people can survive contact with one.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Occam's Razor
« on: August 31, 2006, 02:18:32 PM »
Seriously, I'm not going to search through the forums for an answer when it's actually quicker to ask.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Occam's Razor
« on: August 31, 2006, 09:54:54 AM »
I'm sure someone has thought of this before, but what about Occam's Razor as it pertains to the Flat Earth theory? To put it simply, following the Occam's Razor principle ensures that you keep your hypothesis as simple as possible, by always taking the most simple route. The ultimate end result is as follows:

Which of these is more likely:

The Earth is flat. For some unknown reason all the world's governments are trying to keep this from us, while simultaneously trying to make it look like they don't get along, so people don't think they are capable of colluding on such a matter. All allegedly trips into space, orbits of the Earth, and subsequent photographs are faked in order to lend credence to the bluff. The governments in question are prepared to expend vast resources in fuel, materials, technology and manpower, just to keep up the pretence.

The Earth is round.

William of Occam greatly favours the second option.

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Flat Earth Q&A / PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND, REALLY.
« on: August 31, 2006, 09:42:01 AM »
If the Sun is 3000 miles away, why are we alive? A grain of sand as hot as the sun would kill everything within 30 miles of it, and the Sun in the map above is 27 miles across. Now, I'd need to find out how many grains of sand you could fit in a sphere of diameter 27 miles, but I expect it's a lot.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Telephones and the flat earth
« on: August 29, 2006, 01:31:26 PM »
So what shape is the sun? If it was a sphere, there would be no spotlight effect.

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