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Flat Earth Q&A / So, how did you end up on this site?

« on: August 22, 2005, 02:48:58 AM »

Shit, you're right



The hearth is flat.

Don't I feel stupid now...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Creationism advocate shows where his loyalties lie

« on: August 15, 2005, 02:56:13 AM »

and yes, evolution does explicitly talk about whether or not there is a God, because the three fathers of modern secular sciences, Charles Lyle, James Hutton, and Charles Darwin, were all quite very anti-christian.

Well, no, it doesn't. Do we really have to hold your hand around all this complicated science business?

1. The proponents of evolution theory were atheists. Good for them. Big deal.

2. Being scientists, their personal opinions on religion had no bearing on their theories and subsequent conclusions regarding the origins of life on Earth.

Behold! The very reason creationism and ID have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENCE. The proponents of those theories have their own agendas to push, regardless of any facts.

Oh, and I took that original post as just a flippant aside. But I'm sure a quick check among Creationism and ID enthusiasts alike would probably reveal it to be closer to the truth than you would care to admit

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The Lounge / Our president and intelligent design

« on: August 15, 2005, 02:17:30 AM »

also check out the full title of Darwin's first book: The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection and The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life.

Tip: Try reading it; you never know, you may even understand the concept, let alone the title.

it still has nothing to do with the morality of the teachings of evolution

Oh no, not the morality of science! Quick, suppress it and hope no one asks any difficult questions!

Sorry dude, find some evidence to back up your 'morally acceptable' version of natural history, then maybe Creationism will recieve a wider audience than just the usual ignorant mid-western god-fearing gun-toting  Bush-loving homophobic xenophobes.

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The Lounge / Re: Our president and intelligent design

« on: August 11, 2005, 02:34:34 AM »

Very true, I mean, look where it has brought us  in the past?  The Crusades, Genoside, terroists, all good stuff.  I think that this plan will bring disator

fun fact time! if you add up all the deaths caused by Hitler and Stalin, both of whom devoutly believed in evolution, you'll see that it totals more than all the holy wars in history! man, isn't education great?

Aaaaaahh my eyes!!!

Blinded by logic aaaah!!

Come on guys; we can all see where arguments with Creationists end up. It's simply a matter of evidence v. faith, which will always be worlds apart.

The problem with arguing against a purely faith-based belief such as creationism is that they can and do 'move the goalposts' whenever they like, to fit their argument.

When creationists begin to show that they understand basic scientific principles, then we can debate in those terms.

Until then, I'll (rather provocatively) leave you with this:

"I would rather be a transformed ape, than a degenerate son of Adam." - Paul Broca

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Flat Earth General / The 21st Century

« on: August 08, 2005, 03:06:55 AM »

And there it is!! All communication is pointless from this moment on.

Good Day

As good a point as any to try to dig himself out of a hole I suppose...

Great thread; I enjoyed that one :wink:

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Flat Earth Q&A / alright I'll bite

« on: August 05, 2005, 07:47:41 AM »

I'm saying that if you base your faith on the word of God then you must accept the package. Otherwise your house is on shifting sand.

But, the point is: how can you be certain it is truly the word of God? Do you not agree it is very dangerous to base your very existence on a book unless you are absolutely certain it is the word of God?

In previous posts I understood you to be a Christian, and was brought to book for making the assumption; purely out of interest, which are you? 'All' or 'Nothing'?

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The Lounge / Re: Our president and intelligent design

« on: August 05, 2005, 04:07:43 AM »

This is important progress in defeating abstractist atheist ideas.

Why should they be defeated? Do you not think people have the right to believe what they like? Do you feel threatened somehow by 'abstractist atheist ideas'?

Regardless of our differences of opinion, I would sincerely hope that the vast majority of members here respect my beliefs, as I try to with theirs.

Enforcement of any ideals or beliefs is a very bad course of action, as far as I'm concerned.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Astronomers detect new flat planet being formed

« on: August 05, 2005, 02:59:44 AM »

I prefer the method of repeated baseless assertion myself

No shit.

You think the Earth is flat; how else are you going argue that point? :lol:

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Announcements / Welcome to theflatearthsociety.org!

« on: August 05, 2005, 02:23:26 AM »

As I have said elsewhere; if the Governments of the world revealled that the world was flat people would think they were mad and no-one would vote for them. They have to maintain the pretence in order to stay in power.

Why would people think the Government 'mad' for revealing the earth to be flat? Maybe because it is such a ridiculous idea? Would they not have proof?

And if it is so sensible for it to be flat, surely people wouldn't need much convincing?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Explain how it could possibly be flat

« on: August 04, 2005, 04:11:16 AM »

Actually, biblical text is generally consistent with a flat earth view. Presumably most Christians interpret this as figurative language. Begs the question though, where does the book stop being figurative and start being a literal truth?

So just to clarify, are you saying the vast majority of Christians who believe any part of the Bible is anything other than the literal truth are just plain wrong? Are you saying they are not true Christians?

I think you make the mistake of assuming that someone who disagrees with you is wrong.

Er, I don't think thats a mistake. I'd take it as red that if someone diagrees with me, they think I am wrong. As far as I can tell, I haven't ever been involved in a disagreement where I know the other person is right. Have you?

This makes you no better than the Creation Scientists you seem to despise.

Ooh, do explain. And I don't think I could despise someone for thinking the world was created in 7 days. Intrigued, maybe.

Creationism is a faith. Fair enough, no problem.
However, it has no basis, relevance or bearing in science, and should not be promoted as such. This is a fact.

No really, it does tell us that. Do you want chapter and verse?

OK, it tells us that. We shall agree there is no actual proof. You choose to believe it. I don't.

But don't try and pretend everything written in the Bible is 'just the way it is', because you will find you'll come up against a whole lot of problems.

Which is why you have to believe it all - or none of it: its flat earth or nothing.

Which amounts to nothing but blind faith!

Echoing WTF's comments - there is nothing wrong with faith (in my opinion it is a fairly indefensible position to find umbrage with someones faith); what I don't understand is the constant need to 'legitimise' it in scientific terms in order to convince the 'non-believers'.

Just admit it is faith and only faith. :? [/b]

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Announcements / Welcome to theflatearthsociety.org!

« on: August 03, 2005, 07:20:42 AM »

...what are the governments of the world decieving us FOR? What perverse purpose can they have? And how the hell have they created such a sophisticated illusion as the 'round Earth'?

That's the most coherent argument against a flat earth I have read on this forum!

Well done!

 

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Flat Earth Q&A / Explain how it could possibly be flat

« on: August 03, 2005, 07:04:19 AM »

bcampestris wrote:

You have to believe it all.

Why?

You are guilty of taking my words out of context and adding a full stop which was not there.

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Fair enough, my apologies.

I took the assumption from the content of your posting that it was your belief that it was all true.

But aside from that, I am interested to hear your comments on my other points, if indeed you have any.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Explain how it could possibly be flat

« on: August 03, 2005, 06:38:16 AM »

The Bible is very clear in its description of the world - it is flat.

The Bible is clear about nothing.  I can't be arsed to find it, but someone posted to a thread elsewhere on this board, some links quoting the Bible as saying the earth is round. I don't take any of it literally, so both points are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. Next.

- it is flat. The Bible says the earth was created in seven days. The Bible tells us Jesus died for our sins.

The creation scientists, for example, accept two out of three of the above as literal truth - but choose to reject the flat earth.

Creation scientists. Brilliant oxymoron there! I raise you 'Military Intelligence'. The fact that they do believe the earth was created in seven days clearly demonstrates their breathtaking lack of authority or knowlegde on any sort of scientific issue. Next.

The Bible tells us Jesus died for our sins.

Purely subjective. Give me some evidence. Otherwise, next.

You have to believe it all.

Why?

If I wrote a book instructing you to eat pizza with your feet for 5 days out of every month, you'd laugh at me. Apparently though, if someone writes it 2000ish years ago, and says it is the literal word of God, then it is undeniably the word of God.

How can you be sure someone isn't having you on?

I have no issue against faith. People can believe what they want, so don't use that argument on me (a matter of faith isn't proveable either way, anyhow). But don't try and pretend everything written in the Bible is 'just the way it is', because you will find you'll come up against a whole lot of problems.

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Flat Earth Q&A / To what end?

« on: August 03, 2005, 04:08:17 AM »

Don't you see?

The government are protecting us!  If we all knew the earth was flat, then we would never be able to fight the collective urge to see what happens if we all grouped together in one place, subsequently toppling the earth, and sending us sliding off the edge, therefore bringing about the end of all humanity (except for those who could grab onto trees in time).

Simple...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Reaperman's theory of infinite copies.

« on: August 03, 2005, 03:55:34 AM »

This round earth nonsense is obviously calculated to manipulte the weak minded and sell oil.

Well bugger me sideways! Of course it all makes sense now...

...but in the interests of all the unenlightened folk here, could you care to explain the link between a spherical earth conspiracy and the petroleum industry please?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Pusher Particles (was 'you guys should be locked up')

« on: July 29, 2005, 04:19:22 AM »

Having trouble finding advocates of "Pusher Particle Theory" here...

As of yet a google search has returned:

"pusher particle theory" - 0 results

"pusher particles" - 1 result (does not relate to any element of this discussion)

"ppt" - 11,000,000 results (the vast majority pertaining to MS Powerpoint.  Cryo, perhaps you are confused with the Pittsburgh Public Theatre when you mention PPT?)

Perhaps you would make some headway if you quoted a reputable source, any source, which could then be independantly verified.  Even providing any information that does not come from your own 'calculations'. Your 'ppt equation'; did you calculate that yourself? Well done. It has a very scientific look to it.  You must have been very pleased when you came up with that.

WTF has already decimated your frankly hilarious flat earth argument, all you have to do is accept that PPT exists purely in your imagination (and Pittsburgh).

Remember we are not here to prove the existence of gravity to you; there are numerous opportunities on the web for that. It is your responsibility as a participant in this discussion to prove "pusher particles" exist.

WTF to date has not posted anything about this mysterious "gravity" that you blindly believe in that cannot be explained equally well by pusher particles.

Well, I counter with: Cryoruggie to date has not posted anything about these mysterious "pusher particles" that you blindly believe in that cannot be explained equally well by gravity.  The difference being that gravity has been recorded in countless independant studies in countless situations by countless observers.

Makes sense, no?

You also said:

So I have a problem resloving the obvious truth of pusher particles with the equally obvious subjective evidence that the earth is flat.

You have already conceded the Earth is spherical.  By your own admission, pusher particles are an 'equally obvious truth'. So where does this leave your argument?

WTF, you must have the patience of a saint.

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And by the way I have noticed a lot of abusive, not to mention illiterate posts on this board against the 'Flat-Earthers'. They can fuck off. These people do not represent my point of view and I do not wish to be associated with such hateful people. As for believing 'Flat-Earthers' shouldn't be allowed to promote their views and should be "locked up" or "shot", I can only assume those abusing them find the idea of a flat Earth a lot more threatening than it clearly is.  As Voltaire said "I do not like what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it."