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Any real theory can be proved in a few sentences / a paragraph / a few photos. You don't need a BOOK to prove something so BASIC AND SIMPLE.

Ever hear of Martin Heidegger's Being and Time?

...is it a photograph?

No it's a book about 600 pages long in which Heidegger tries to explain what it means "To Be."

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Alabama changes Pi
« on: August 17, 2007, 03:02:34 PM »
I think this is further proof that the bible is correct in absolutely everything and should be taken literally word for word. In fact I'm going to start a Pi = 3 society right now! It's slogan could be "A Pure Rejection of Ratios."

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Any real theory can be proved in a few sentences / a paragraph / a few photos. You don't need a BOOK to prove something so BASIC AND SIMPLE.

Ever hear of Martin Heidegger's Being and Time?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Earths Atmosphere
« on: August 16, 2007, 04:06:30 PM »
I guess I'm just annoyed at the "My Problem with UA" thread where people are arguing past each other.

...I regret starting that thread...

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All of models I've seen show that Antartica is the Ice Wall. Why not the North Pole?

There's no "reason". It's how the Earth is. We can't change the geography of the Earth.

Says the man who wants to change a 3d ball into a disc...

He said geography, not geometry.

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Flat Earth Debate / Scientific Predictions
« on: August 16, 2007, 02:07:03 PM »
It seems to me that historically since Copernicus, the general consensus of science has pointed in the dircetion of a RE model, and it's been left up to the FE'rs to explain an alternative to the evidence that supports a RE model. But I was just wondering if there is, or ever has been, empirical/experimental evidence that supports a FE model that cannot/has not been explained by a RE model? Or scientific predictions that a FE model has made that have been more accurate than the RE model?


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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Proof that the World is indeed...
« on: August 16, 2007, 01:53:22 PM »
Actually the entire universe was created 5 minutes ago, all your memories are fabrications. The universe will end again in 5 minutes, take a quick lunch break, the will re-fabricate itself again in about an hour. It's shift will end around 5 P.M. Alaska Daylight Time, where it will head home and watch C.S.I. before re-creating again at 9 A.M.

With regards to the FE/RE debate, the Earth is flat Monday to noon Wednesday, after noon Wednesday to Friday the Earth is round, on the weekends the part time guys come in, drop some acid and make it the most "freadelic" shape their mind can conjure. 

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: just a question I need answered for homework
« on: August 16, 2007, 01:40:38 PM »
No, narc wins.  I thought you were getting it, too...

Narc wins in his mind, and chooses to tell everyone else he wins.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: just a question I need answered for homework
« on: August 16, 2007, 01:32:33 PM »
narc. Always. Wins.

Narc always wins because he says he wins.

I win.  ;)

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: just a question I need answered for homework
« on: August 16, 2007, 12:31:00 PM »
Indeed they would, in which case, narc would win again. (if you haven't noticed yet, narc can't lose)

But that's not winning. You haven't proved your idea true, or advanced it in anyway, just found a weak point in the counter argument.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: An experiment to disprove FET
« on: August 16, 2007, 09:43:56 AM »
My bad.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: just a question I need answered for homework
« on: August 16, 2007, 09:42:51 AM »
So, in other words, narc wins.  Got ye'.

No, only a person like Narc would consider that a victory.  Because NASA is the only producer of these photos (as far as I know) doesn't mean they aren't true.

Think of it this way, if someone gives you a picture of the boogeyman, and over the years gives you more and more pictures of the boogeyman/his boogeyman friends/their boogeyman village, then that doesn't mean that they don't exist, but it's fair enough to be skeptical since no one's confirmed them independantly.

The problem I'm afraid of is that if some organization independant of NASA were to provide some photo's of a round Earth, then the FE'rs would probably reject them saying that the photographer was also in on the conspiracy.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Kommunist is dead.
« on: August 15, 2007, 07:14:04 PM »
Why did you nominate the retarded cousin? I understand equal rights but that is going too far.
Because people like you can easily relate to his retardedness.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Before the Big Bang...
« on: August 15, 2007, 06:51:57 PM »
Multiverse traditionally means the collection of universes across dimensions and such. Something like the, now disproven, Hawking paradox and information loss in black holes to alternate universes.
Hawking Paradox disproven? Are you refering to Hawking Radiation? If so what is the new theory?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Religion Is Bad
« on: August 15, 2007, 04:31:53 PM »
Quote from: David Lee Roth
If there was a God, Elvis would be alive and all the imposters would be dead.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: just a question I need answered for homework
« on: August 15, 2007, 04:16:17 PM »
Being skeptical of something doesn't mean it isn't true. NASA's photo's very well could be legit (I believe they are), but as far as I know there hasn't been any photos of Earth completely independant of NASA, so they could be entirely fake because they're no other photos to show differently.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Kommunist is dead.
« on: August 15, 2007, 04:07:17 PM »
My nomination

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: just a question I need answered for homework
« on: August 15, 2007, 03:53:10 PM »
There's no proof that NASA is lying to us, but there's also no proof that they are telling the truth, and that's enough to be skeptical of they're truthiness.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: An experiment to disprove FET
« on: August 15, 2007, 03:42:57 PM »
Point a laser out the side of the boat. You'd have a check on the angle of light that way.

You'd need g to be a helluva lot bigger to see light emitted at 45 degrees. Your view would be really weird. I'm guessing it'd look like you were standing on top of a massive Redshifted hyperbola.

45 degrees was just an example, maybe a more realistic one would be 10 or 15 degrees.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: An experiment to disprove FET
« on: August 15, 2007, 12:38:15 PM »
lol. With you now. *slaps himself* :-[

Socrates' result still stands, however.

....No it doesn't lol.
The Engineer is right, the light from the boat could be admitted from any angle coming off the boat, and I only calculated the possibilty of the light being emitted horizontally at 0 degrees. But if the ray of light was emitted at 45 degrees it might still make it to the observer.

Eh, I'm too lazy to do that many calculations for now.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: An experiment to disprove FET
« on: August 14, 2007, 03:32:38 PM »
This argument has gone beyond my head ???.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: An experiment to disprove FET
« on: August 13, 2007, 07:36:50 PM »
No. The boat, the ocean, and the observer are all moving at the same speed. The argument is that while the light is "in flight" that the ocean accelerates blocking the light's travel. The RE Primer works the math for a similar case, that of the setting Sun, in detail. In the 3,000 mile distance in that case, the FE could not have moved more than one inch.
I tried to figure out how far away the boat had to be to lose 1m of it's image.
Okay this is my math:
First calculate the final velocity of the observer after it's traveled 1m upwards.

Vf2 = Vi2 + 2ad

Vf2 = 0m/s2 + 2(9.81m/s2)(1m)

Vf2 = 19.62m2/s2

Vf = 4.430m/s

Then the average velocity of the 1m trip.

Vav = 1/2(Vf + Vi)

Vav = 1/2(4.430m/s + 0m/s)

Vav = 2.215m/s

Then the time it took to make that trip.

t = d/Vav

t = 1m/2.215m/s

t = 0.4515s

So in that time it took to travel 1m with an acceleration of 9.81m/s2 I caclulated how far a beam of light traveled.

d = (v)(t)

d = (3.00x108m/s)(0.4515s)

d = 135450000m

So in the boat would have to be 135,400km away to lose 1m of the boat.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: "Existence does not exist"
« on: August 13, 2007, 04:52:40 PM »
Has no one read Descartes Discourse on Method?? Check it out http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Discourse_on_the_Method

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: My Problem with UA 2
« on: August 13, 2007, 04:03:45 PM »
But if everything in the universe is accelerating, then there is no force pulling you back, you are moving with the universe at 9.81m/s2, and when you jump you will be moving at 9.81m/s2+the force of your jump, I don't see how you somehow forfeit the force of the universal accelerator when you jump, and your jump becomes just the force of your jump.

Run-on sentence.

Lol, sorry, grammar isn't my strong point especially when i get all riled up.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: An experiment to disprove FET
« on: August 13, 2007, 04:02:45 PM »
Ummm is the math even relevant because if the light from the boat is bending while the universe is acclerating, then wouldn't the light from the waves/water around it also bend to an equal degree? So the boat wouldn't appear to be anymore underwater?  Could be wrong just throwin some idea out there.

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Flat Earth Debate / My Problem with UA 2
« on: August 13, 2007, 03:58:15 PM »
Sorry about starting a second thread but the first one has gone from an intelligent discussion to meaningless scrutiny.

But is all the stuff accelerating? Is the sun accelerating? The Moon? The stars?  Or just the earth? Also acceleration is known as a vector quantity, so it has a magnitude (9.81m/s2) and a direction. Where is it acclerating? Please be specific.
Yes, all the stuff we can see, is accelerating.  And it's all accelerating in a direction normal to the planar surface of the Earth. 

But if everything in the universe is accelerating, then there is no force pulling you back, you are moving with the universe at 9.81m/s2, and when you jump you will be moving at 9.81m/s2+the force of your jump, I don't see how you somehow forfeit the force of the universal accelerator when you jump, and your jump becomes just the force of your jump.
For example if I were floating in a river next to a boat, with the river moving at a constant acceleration of 9.81m/s2, and i began swimming until i was 3m ahead of the boat, then I would remain 3m ahead of the boat unless something were to pull me back to it. Because me and the boat are moving in the same medium. Just substitute river with UA, the boat with the Earth, and swimming with jumping. Unless somehow humans are independant of the UA your argument fails.

Edit: Please leave the question of gravity out of this thread, make your own "My problem with Gravity" Thread, don't put it in mine!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: My Problem with Universal Acceleration
« on: August 13, 2007, 03:29:37 PM »
A mechanism for a universal accelerator has yet to be revealed by any flat earther.
How about a mechanism for 'gravity'?  I've been asking RE'ers for one, yet, no takers.

....A little off topic methinks.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: An experiment to disprove FET
« on: August 13, 2007, 03:20:47 PM »
The earth accelerates upwards.
The light travels at a constant velocity.

This means the longer the light travels parallel to the earths surface, the closer the earth will come to it, until, eventually, it blocks the light. This phenomena starts with the light closest to the earths surface, or the light that reflected off the lowest parts of the hull.

The further the ship is from the observer, the more of the ship, starting from the bottom and working up, will disappear from view.

I like that response....(Working on Math)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: My Problem with Universal Acceleration
« on: August 13, 2007, 03:15:52 PM »
The universe itself is not accelerating, just the stuff in it.  I fail to see how that would keep stuff from 'falling' back to earth.

But is all the stuff accelerating? Is the sun accelerating? The Moon? The stars?  Or just the earth? Also acceleration is known as a vector quantity, so it has a magnitude (9.81m/s2) and a direction. Where is it acclerating? Please be specific.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: My Problem with Universal Acceleration
« on: August 13, 2007, 02:32:17 PM »
Tom has given a model for the UA that even round-earthers have yielded as a potential working model.

Can you link to this model?? Im looking for some sort of FE version of...

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