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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why the Earth Cannot Be Round

« on: May 01, 2015, 03:24:02 PM »

Kansas is on the Earth.  An Earth they want us to believe is round.  Earth curves 8 inches per mile.
http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/QQ.09.97/dyck2.html

Kansas is 417 miles in width.

That is 417 miles with 8" of curve per mile.   

That is 3336" worth of curve or 278 feet.  As a cross section Kansas would look like a low mountain that rose 278 feet at its center.  Which is never detected. 

As for boats and the horizon I have yet to see a ship at maximum range with just the topsail or flag protruding.  Just tales of that.  Plus would it also not be tipped away from you by a few degrees?

Same with trees and buildings. 

We keep getting pictures like this.


Which a single occurrence of would cause a severe problem with the round earth idea. 

Sunrises, sunsets?   That is some light bending super natural stuff - as it stands I have no natural explanation for how the sun is not rolling along  the surface.   
Maybe something like this?
http://s23.photobucket.com/user/qpiine/media/Flat%20Earth/tempwn0.gif.html



Look at it this way on a round Earth it is always downhill from wherever you are. You just cannot see it, detect it or measure it.  You have to theorize upon it and be convinced of it and if you do not believe - mocked of that fact.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why the Earth Cannot Be Round

« on: April 30, 2015, 06:18:23 PM »

Can I answer why I think the Earth might actually be flat?  Because if no one told me it was round I would believe it was flat.  No where when they measure it - is it round - its always flat.   Water is flat - Kansas is flat - your yard is flat - well terrain but it does not curve away from you.

FISHEYE LENSES - Might have been specifically designed to capture wide vistas but they make it seem round when its pointed below the horizon - if you have a continous shot to 110000 feet (like you would on a weather balloon) it had better have a fisheye lens or it will not see the curve.  A standard issue camera will see a flat horizon.  It just makes me wonder if the FE people have a case.

I admit NASA would have to swallow us all whole to make us believe the earth was round - and the new space crop of people taking privately owned space craft up.  And the Russians?  It gets very heavy very fast. 

The observable world we live on is flat.  We are told and indoctrinated into believing its round, revolving and helixing through the galaxy at 70000 kmh or some such.  Think of this we are rotating about, revolving around the sun, all whilst it is whizzing along on the galactic arm?  that gets very heavy,very fast too and no one talks about how much motion we are having but how there are spots in the Pacific ocean called the doldrums where you can get no wind or water movement for weeks on end.  But we are moving at 70000km and everything matches pace?  cmon son.


Conspiracies are interesting - they just are - and seeing them makes people feel smart.  they feel they got the angle - the edge - the truth and knowing this might get you into all of them or keep you out of all of them.  Maybe some people prefer an interesting universe over a dull one - a faithful one over a faithless one. Everyones universe kinda revolves around them daily anyhow. 

The Earth cannot be round because for some strange reason - a great number of people cannot produce what should be simple to produce - an actual picture of it that is not very old and very odd.  With De Grass saying it is an oblong thing and the picture being of a cute blue ball. 

Plus Antarctica is a mystery and no one has traversed it and many should have.  They have a permanent presence down there for some odd non strategic reason and that fuels the fire of the edge of the flat world idea.

If it was flat and people got to mentioning it and forum-ing about it would be a full time job to mock and belittle the intelligence of any who would bring it up.  Just a few paid agitators and it gets cool and then the people who just love to make fun ride in. 

This debate is fraught with ad hominem - because someone might consider the idea the earth flat - they must be deranged - unintelligent and perhaps in need of anti-psychotic medication?  That is what it is reduced to most times - I see it in Origin debates and I see it here more oft than not. 

If no one had told you it was round  - would you ever think it was?  If it is flat and the North pole sits at the center would those curvey looking plane routes be straight then? 

I do not know and I suspect unless I could launch myself 20 miles straight up (and not hit the dome lid =) I might not know.  When I fly I am looking out a curved window and I can see very little curvature and I do not know if thats the window or the curve. 

If you look at the space jump pictures that red bull did a couple years back - they had more fish eye lenses than an aquarium. Why?  Why the care and concern?  It just goes to fuel the fire. 

I can sense no motion no disturbance yet you tell me I am flinging through the galaxy at flank speed?   

So again you all can tell me its curved and around globe.  That is cool.  But I do not see it or feel it or sense it is so.  My senses lead me to believe the opposites and judging on the actual scant amount of original works (pictures and accounts) to the opposing I am forced to lend more and more credence to the idea that this place might actually be flat.  With a really complex dome over us - like The Truman Show except with God as the producer. 

Now that IS worth making a conspiracy to cover up.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Launch A Camera into near space!

« on: April 10, 2015, 09:41:49 PM »

Alright so I am attempting to be open-minded and as you can see from my post count - I just got here. 

I found a video on Youtube of some people who strapped a camera (goPro) to a balloon and sent it up.  Suffice to say they are probably not masons or a part of the conspiracy I would hope. 

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So you can watch the whole video but the horizon is what I want to hone in on.  If the center of the lens is above the horizon it appears convex (curves upward), if the center of the lens is on the horizon it appears flat, if the center of the lens is below the horizon it appears concave (curves down as a globe would). 

What do I not know about camera lenses?  What sort of lens do you need to capture the true shape?

"One fellow commented on the video (its like flat earthers are falling from the sky i tell ya)
The balloon was detached from the Earth's surface for 3 hours and 45 minutes , reached 20.6439394 miles above the Earth's surface, which by the way we are told spins at 1040 MPH, and landed 66.4867 miles from the launch site. No matter the altitude, as long as the horizon wasn't skewed in the film by being captured by the upper or lower part of the fish-eye lens of the camera;, as long as the horizon was in the center of the vertical of the frame, it showed to be perfectly straight (flat) showing no curvature, regardless of the height. Per the visible evidence in this particular video, I would have to go with the earth being flat and stationary; not a spinning ball. It also looks like to me it may go on forever also, an infinite plane in all directions."


What is it then flat or round?  Does this video prove either?  Does the fish eye lens carry all the blame here and why cannot anyone send a camera up without a damn fisheye lens!?!