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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Light
« on: March 14, 2007, 11:09:17 AM »
Sorry? What? You haven't even answered the first queston yet. (Stating the name of a theory without pointing out how that theory leads to the observable phenomenon in question isn't really much of an answer)

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Read this and explain FE'ers
« on: March 14, 2007, 10:57:00 AM »
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How could u tell its 3000miles away then as stated in FAQ. Idiot

Hey scum shit, it's all in Earth Not a Globe.


Hey shit scum, I don't own Earth Not a Globe. I own A Brief History of Time. I also own The Universe In a Nutshell. I also own A Brief History of Nearly Everything.

There's a load of stuff in there says the earth isn't flat.
It is all right here: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm
Add that to favorites, something tells me you will be referring to it alot.

EDIT: If you mean that you prefer a physical version of that book, than you may purchase one here: http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Earth%20Not%20a%20Globe%3A:3001474562;_ylc=X3oDMTB1c21tcDhkBF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNlYwNmZWVkBHNsawNib29rcw--
or here: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2218270

Man, that's what gets me down about this forum, you guys just reply to everything with 'read the FAQs' , 'read Earth Not a Globe'. You have to understand that people are asking because they just don't get what is being explained. Basically, I think what everyone would like to see is further explanation from people (e.g. tom) who have a proper understanding of the FE theory and all its aspects. Think of it as you FE'ers are teachers and the RE'ers/unsures are the pupils. What kind of a teacher would tell his pupils 'just read the book and stfu'? Please make an effort guys.
Thankyou
love and kisses
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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Ah yes, the ice wall . .
« on: March 14, 2007, 10:46:48 AM »
water does ! when water freezes it expands, wtf r u talking about
No. Pretty sure it doesn't. Gasseous states are the most spaced out--most expanded--states. Then when it gets colder, it contracts to form water, then contracts again to form ice. This is eighth-grade science here, as well as rather logical. ::)

~D-Draw

Diego, I feel that your lack of understanding of basic science undermines a lot of your arguments. I don't mean to insult you, but seriously, if you want to present a credible case, you have to at least sound like you know what you're talking about.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Ah yes, the ice wall . .
« on: March 14, 2007, 10:26:36 AM »
150ft is a poor estimate. 

It covered in snow as that's what most of Antarctica is covered in.

Ah, thats not a great argument tho' is it? It's like saying the Amazonian basin is covered in rainforest because thats what most of Brazil is covered in. Doesn't really give a reason as to why.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Sun as a Spotlight
« on: March 09, 2007, 09:11:58 AM »
Could it be that due to the angle, the sunlight is reflecting off the sea and lighting the clouds from beneath?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Speed?
« on: March 09, 2007, 08:36:03 AM »
ok so, it's an iterative formula? I work out w for the initial condition u=0 m/s and then that answer for w becomes the new value for u in the next iteration and so on?

Hang on, I'll get my pen and paper out. See you in a few years. ;D

Oh and thanks for the replies. Seems to me (and I don't mean to be insulting anyone) that a lot of the FE'ers reply to newb questions with somewhat belligerent answers (although I guess it might be hard not to with all the people coming on here poking fun).

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Speed?
« on: March 09, 2007, 07:54:17 AM »
Hmm... so FE'ers and RE'ers agree with each other over the age of the Earth? Well thats something I guess! :)
Okay, so TheEngineer, you seem pretty clued up on the physics and maths and what not so could you take me through how to calculate the speed we are going at? I did read the thread linked from the FAQs about the Earth's speed, but I have to admit I couldn't follow most of it. Care to explain the maths to a simpleton like me? ;D

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Speed?
« on: March 09, 2007, 07:41:12 AM »
If the Earth is accelerating and has been for megayears, and taking onto account relativistic effects etc, etc, is there any concensus on how fast we are actaully going at the moment? Is it close to the speed of light/ fraction of? anyone? if there is a figure, how was it arrived at?
We are currently going less than the speed of light.  To get an exact figure, we would need to know exactly when the earth started accelerating.

Thank you for your reply, TheEngineer.

So... any idea when the Earth started accelerating? ;D

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Speed?
« on: March 09, 2007, 06:55:46 AM »
Perhaps you could link me to some of what you consider to be the best answers then please?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Speed?
« on: March 09, 2007, 06:35:17 AM »
Sorry... I didn't see any posts from Tom Bishop in this thread. Also, I'm not bothered to admit that, no, I don't know much about relativity, but the argument presented by kinereoj seemed  (to my limited understanding of physics ) to be quite sound. Still, that is why I am asking questions on here. Unlike some people posting on the forum, I come here with an open mind, ready to accept arguments from either side, so anyways, back to the original topic about speed. If the Earth is accelerating and has been for megayears, and taking onto account relativistic effects etc, etc, is there any concensus on how fast we are actaully going at the moment? Is it close to the speed of light/ fraction of? anyone? if there is a figure, how was it arrived at?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Speed?
« on: March 09, 2007, 04:32:41 AM »
Hi, I just found your site and have to admit I am intrigued by your theory of a flat Earth. But, having read through a few threads, it seems that you are not doing yourselves any favors by not replying to any of the challenges put to you in a serious way. Here's just one example of what I think totally blows your theory out of the water:

I assume from your FAQ that you are generally familiar with both special and general relativity. I assume that you believe that we are not living in a gravitational field, but in fact an accelerated reference frame. I understand the Equivalence Principle very well. Locally, you cannot do any physical experiment to test the difference between an accelerated reference frame or a gravitational field. However, over large regions you definitely can tell a difference. If the entire earth were an accelerated reference frame, the gravitational field would not vary at all. It wouldn't vary across the surface of the earth, and it wouldn't vary with height. I am a physicist, and I have tested both of these things experimentally. The gravitational field varies across the surface of the earth, due to the different densities of material beneath. The more dramatic field change is that it varies with height. It seems to me that you are also denying that gravity exists at all, which means you are denying the second half of general relativity which explains how mass-energy distorts space-time.

There are also experiments you can do to prove that the earth is spinning. There are measurable Coriolis and Centrifugal forces that change with latitude. These affect projectile motion and are essential in calculating such things as missile trajectories. The direction and magnitude of the measured forces are perfectly consistent with a body the shape of an oblate spheroid rotating about a central axis with a period of one rotation every 24 hours.

I'm not sure if you are denying gravitational affects or not, but don't forget that it is completely possible to measure the gravitational "force" between two masses in a laboratory. I know this, I have done it myself. It's a fairly sophisticated procedure, but it can be done.

The easiest test of geometry would be to measure the circumference and radius of a circle that is confined to the surface of the earth. We should measure the distance around the earth at the equator (circumference), and the radius from the equator to the north pole (radius). If the circumference is exactly 2pi (6.28 . . .) times the radius, we are living on a flat earth. If the circumference is closer to 4 times the radius, we are living on what is close to a spherically shaped earth. If you want to prove to the world that you are correct, you should do this experiment. I would recommend flying in an airplane around the equator at a constant speed and measuring the time it takes to circle it once. Then I would fly from the equator to the North Pole and time that at a constant speed. Does it take 1/4 or 1/6 the amount of time. I'm guessing that it takes you longer to get to the North Pole than you think it would.

...and yet you choose not to reply to such posts because? (I suspect it is because you have no counter argument). Please be aware, I'm not trying to flame you, only to point out that if you want to be taken seriously, you have to be prepared to counter rational, well thought out arguments like the one above. So, yeah, can you tell me what your take on what kinereoj said is?

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