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Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: round_ass_flat_belly on January 02, 2006, 11:29:46 AM
Hi,
Cust out of curiousity, I have the following questions:
1) Are there images availalbe of these ice-walls at the south pole?
2) If there are no images, how do you know there is an ice-wall?

greetz
patrick
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: bullhorn on January 02, 2006, 04:11:52 PM
To my knowledge there are no pictures of the Ice wall.  We know that there is an ice wall due to the fact that the Earth is flat and people claim to have seen it.  It is easy to understand how one could exist. We know that under extreme pressure water becomes a solid. If there were an Ice Wall one could account for its existence due to this factor being present in science.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: 6strings on January 02, 2006, 04:32:32 PM
Oh Mongo, there is no pudding for you.

Let's analyze what bullhorn said, shall we?
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We know that there is an ice wall due to the fact that the Earth is flat and people claim to have seen it.

Wow...two examples of flawed logic in one statement, impressive.  Bullhorn, you're trying to prove that the earth is flat, and your theory requires there to be an ice wall, therefore you can't explain the ice wall as a product of "it must be there because the earth is flat".  It's like me saying: "my point is valid because I'm right."  My being right i dependant on my point being valid, and my point's being valid depends on my being right.  This is called circular logic, and is not acceptable reasoning.

Next, "people calim to have seen it." I have seen elephants with wings.  Apparantly, I was stoned.  What have we learned from this little anecdote?  That you have no actual proof to verify your hypothesis, so your point isn't valid.

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It is easy to understand how one could exist.

Not really, but I'll allow you to continue, in hopes that you explain yourself.

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We know that under extreme pressure water becomes a solid.

So you did go to that "univercity" you're always bragging about, good job!

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If there were an Ice Wall one could account for its existence due to this factor being present in science.

Hey bullhorn, know what helps you not sound like an idiot? Being able to comunicate.  This actually doesn't mean anything, "this factor [pressure] being present in science".  Yes, pressure is a factor in scientific experiments, but that in no way means there is an ice wall.  This statement is akin to my saying: "There is air, therefore I am God."

Again, bullhorn, think before you type.  Or better yet, just shut the hell up.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: bullhorn on January 02, 2006, 05:50:20 PM
There seems to be an underling criticism in this forum of my inability to substantiate my proofs to the people who would like them to be substantiated.  I mentioned before that I am working against a curve that doesn’t allow for anything but scientific proofs.  I have attempted on many occasions to state facts, put as I lay down the evidence I am bombarded by people who say that the evidence is not relevant or that its not worthy of consideration.  For example I stated that the flat-earther’s believe that an Ice wall 150 feet tall is at the edge of the world. I have shown how that wall would be able to exist for many many years without failure. Pressure in the ocean would allow for this to happen. You guys might say that I haven’t shown that one even exists. I will say that in a flat earth it is the only thing that can account for the water containment.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: 6strings on January 02, 2006, 06:17:05 PM
No bullhorn, this isn't underlying criticism, this is a direct criticism, and all the other posts I've seen have directly attacked your "inability to substantiate my proofs", because frankly that's what logical arguments are all about.

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I mentioned before that I am working against a curve that doesn’t allow for anything but scientific proofs.

Actually, we don't want scientific proofs, we want logical proofs, if I can disprove what you say simply by finding the logical holes in it (ie: circular logic) it's wrong, regardless of what "proofs" you were tying to present.

You don't seem to understand that the point of our arguments are to disprove the flat earth theory, to do that, we attack the flaws in your points, if you can't defend the, you're wrong, and you loose the argument.  Simple as that.  That is how an argument works, not your childish "You just don't agree with me because you're unwilling to accept my ideas".  That's flawed cause and effect; I'd be perfectly willing to consider your ideas if you could somehow postulate them in a way that they weren't full holes.

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I have attempted on many occasions to state facts, put as I lay down the evidence I am bombarded by people who say that the evidence is not relevant or that its not worthy of consideration.

Maybe because the evidence isn't relevent and it isn't worthy of consideratio because, as I mentioned above, it's full of logical holes.  Try reasoning from first principles, I won't have a problem then.

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For example I stated that the flat-earther’s believe that an Ice wall 150 feet tall is at the edge of the world. I have shown how that wall would be able to exist for many many years without failure. Pressure in the ocean would allow for this to happen. You guys might say that I haven’t shown that one even exists.

Bullhorn, maybe if you actually read the posts rather than skimming enough to realize we disagree with you, and then creating your own reasons for why we disagree with you.
Yes, you did show us all of that (except for stating that pressure in the ocean would allow for this, you stated that the fact that pressure is present in science proved your theory), but this ice wall is out of the water, meaning the water couldn't put pressure on it.

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You guys might say that I haven’t shown that one even exists

Yeah, that's because you haven't.

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I will say that in a flat earth it is the only thing that can account for the water containment.

So if I were to, say, disprove the existance of an ice wall, you'd revoke your beliefs of a flat earth?  Guess what? We have.

The fact that you don't understand the basic tennants of how an argument operated makes me question why you should be allowed to attempt to argue.

Again bullhorn, all you've done is bitch and whine about how you're misunderstood, rather than make any valid points.  My god, you're emo aren't you?!?!  So please bullhorn, make valid points or shut up and go cut yourself in a corner.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: bullhorn on January 02, 2006, 07:44:50 PM
Then lets talk about the issues
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: TheMantisMan on January 02, 2006, 08:39:30 PM
No need to be an asshole, 6strings.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: pspunit on January 02, 2006, 09:47:08 PM
6strings isn't being an asshole, he's calling bullhorn out on his bullshit. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: navak37 on January 02, 2006, 10:36:00 PM
you want an ice wall? here's your fucking ice wall http://geowww.uibk.ac.at/glacio/RESEARCH/KILI/ice_wall.jpg

anything else non-believers?
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Mundi on January 03, 2006, 01:00:38 AM
If anyone is being an asshole, it's certainly not 6strings. People need to learn not to post total crap.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: navak37 on January 03, 2006, 01:05:30 AM
as you can see he completely avoided talking about the subject at all

you asked for an ice wall, PROOF that there is no round earth, well there you have it, a picture of the VERY ice wall that we were refering to all along
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Mundi on January 03, 2006, 01:13:31 AM
Ummm . . . it's a picture alright, and yes, it's off a wall of ice. But the wall of ice? I think not. This wall of ice is supposed to go right the way round the edge of the Earth. We're talking about several thousand miles of it here: I think we'd need to see quite a lot more of it, from several different angles, positions, and so on before we could really start taking you seriously.

After all, on balance of evidence we have many, many pictures of a round Earth, and not one picture of the thousands-of-miles of ice wall you claim exists.

One picture does not, sadly, prove anything at all.

And it's funny how, if one flies perpendicular to the ice wall in a straight direction for quite some number of miles, one ends up, somehow, on the "same" side (i.e. back on the "flat" disk again, rather than the other side). Curious.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: navak37 on January 03, 2006, 01:18:56 AM
Quote from: "Mundi"
And it's funny how, if one flies perpendicular to the ice wall in a straight direction for quite some number of miles, one ends up, somehow, on the "same" side (i.e. back on the "flat" disk again, rather than the other side). Curious.


oh really? have you, in your personal experience, ever flow perpendicular to the great ice wall? or are you speaking for other (probably fake) sources

and you want more pictures of the wall? here's one more http://www.cycleogical.com.au/data/portal/00000011/content/97426001091086066914.jpg
obviously you will have no reply to this and just back away, can't fight facts buddy
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Mundi on January 03, 2006, 01:23:57 AM
Quote from: "navak37"
and you want more pictures of the wall? here's one more http://www.cycleogical.com.au/data/portal/00000011/content/97426001091086066914.jpg
obviously you will have no reply to this and just back away, can't fight facts buddy

Umm . . . I have some news for you: it's . . . a . . . mountain. You know: big rock, high up? Cold? Lots of snow and ice and that sort of thing? There are quite a lot of these about, you know. This could be anywhere. And it's still not several thousand feet wide: I think the one you posted is only a couple of hundred. Do try again.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: navak37 on January 03, 2006, 01:26:01 AM
well, something is obvious to me if you have the audacity to not believe the hard evidence that you have been presented with, you're a government spy working against us, i rest my case
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Mundi on January 03, 2006, 01:34:17 AM
Quote from: "navak37"
well, something is obvious to me if you have the audacity to not believe the hard evidence that you have been presented with, you're a government spy working against us, i rest my case

Oh, weak.

Please, you're not even trying now. "Hard evidence?" A jury would have thrown it out as circumstantial. Come on, buddy! A nice little picture is not hard evidence, as has been stated now dozens and dozens of times around here.

And yes, clearly I must be a government spy: so much so that, after doing the trace on your internet address, cross-referencing that against the government records of postal addresses, and learning your real name, social security number, and so on, you should expect the Feds round at your door any minute now for crimes against the state. I expect an indefinite prison term in a secret location: you're too dangerous to be let out at any time.

Or, if you keep posting we'll just assume that the Feds haven't been round, that you're not in jail, and that I'm not a government spy.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: ShorD143 on January 03, 2006, 01:37:29 AM
Do you know James Bond? You're not quite as cool as him.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: navak37 on January 03, 2006, 01:40:43 AM
of COURSE you wouldn't go and arrest me now, because if i stopped replying, people would think i WAS arrested, so you're doing a win/win right now, either i stop speaking out to prove my point that you're a spy, and you'll have no opponent for further arguments, OR i continue to speak out and "prove" that you're not a government spy (so that, of course, you'll remain out of suspicion)

believe me, i know about this stuff

and besides, you talk about how my "hard evidence" was not evidence at all, what do YOU have sir? besides all your pretty *cough-photoshopped* pictures that you have, you have no evidence either
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Mundi on January 03, 2006, 01:42:26 AM
James Bond is cool, but isn't real. It would be pretty hard for me to be as cool as James Bond, but I am real: you can expect a call from the men in black sometime soon; I've just sent the details.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: navak37 on January 03, 2006, 01:46:06 AM
Quote from: "Mundi"
James Bond is cool, but isn't real. It would be pretty hard for me to be as cool as James Bond, but I am real: you can expect a call from the men in black sometime soon; I've just sent the details.


once again completely changing the subject and not replying to any issues at hand because he KNOWS he is WRONG
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Mundi on January 03, 2006, 01:56:37 AM
Quote from: "navak37"
once again completely changing the subject and not replying to any issues at hand because he KNOWS he is WRONG
You should really keep track of the posts: I was replying to someone else's.

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believe me, i know about this stuff
Gosh, that's convinced me. You say you know it: it must therefore be true.

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and besides, you talk about how my "hard evidence" was not evidence at all, what do YOU have sir? besides all your pretty *cough-photoshopped* pictures that you have, you have no evidence either
First: I was correct that your so-called evidence is not evidence at all: it's . . . a . . . mountain! Not a wall.

Second: since it seems futile to actually try and prove this beyond the shadow of a doubt, at least enough for obstinate flat-Earthers to acknowledge, and especially since I'm in the majority opinion, I'm content to let you little flat-Earthers do your best in convincing me otherwise. What is really surprising about this approach is how rubbish the stuff you guys come up with is: you know, it shouldn't be too hard to find something good, but most of the arguments fail because they're either (a) illogical, which turns out not to be too hard to show; (b) based on stuff which isn't even true, or; (c) incorrect in some pretty important factual details.

Let me spell it out for you: I. Don't. Need. To. Show. Much. Evidence. At. All. Almost everyone agrees with me. If you find something incontravertible to show us, then do it. I'll be waiting patiently.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Crass on January 03, 2006, 08:11:05 AM
novak are you being honestly serious, this is not real evidence. your last post is seriously making me thing ur on here just to pull peoples legs.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: pspunit on January 03, 2006, 08:15:38 AM
I think the concept of "hard" evidence is questionable.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Major Tom on January 03, 2006, 09:00:09 AM
Quote from: "navak37"
besides all your pretty *cough-photoshopped* pictures that you have,

What makes you think your pictures are not altered?
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: 6strings on January 03, 2006, 10:55:09 AM
Ummm...hypocricy much?  

Major Tom makes an extremely vavlid point: Any picture of a spherical earth is immediately shouted down as altered, so much so that basically all the round earthers have stopped using them.

Now, if we aren't allowed to use our pictures, you aren't allowed to use yours, simple as that; you show me a picture of an ice wall, I show you a picture of a spherical earth, they have just as much validity, so we have two options.

A)Believe the pictures, as both pictures are equally valid, we can't simply ignore one, so both must be true: the earth is a sphere and there is an ice wall, however, this option proves that the earth is a sphere, so you don't want that.
or
B) Neither picture is allowed to be used as proof.

Take your pick, either way the "evidence" you're presenting isn't evidence proving your theory at all and you've wasted everyone's time by posting it.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: navak37 on January 03, 2006, 12:10:10 PM
Quote from: "6strings"

B) Neither picture is allowed to be used as proof.


look at the name of this thread, he asked for a picture, i gave him one

Quote from: "6strings"
Ummm...hypocricy much?
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: 6strings on January 03, 2006, 12:23:42 PM
Giving him the picture is fine, but calling it proof is another story.  And that's not an exmple of hypocricy.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Crass on January 03, 2006, 09:04:25 PM
if you do a google image search for the term "ice wall" this both images used by novak76 pops up first page of listings. the first image is that of an ice wall near mt. kilimanjaro. http://geowww.uibk.ac.at/glacio/RESEARCH/KILI/

 the second image used is
 obviously taken by mountain climbers in tibet or south america. http://www.cycleogical.com.au/asp/index.asp?page=news&sid=11
it has nothing to do with flat earth ideology and why you choose to use these images as evidence of the great magical ice wall is puzzleing to me.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: pspunit on January 03, 2006, 09:06:30 PM
busted
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Dr_Bill on January 03, 2006, 10:11:59 PM
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..................(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-9/1081322/ice_wall_3.jpg)
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Crass on January 03, 2006, 10:17:43 PM
thanks doctor bill, i love your photos. lol
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: bullhorn on January 03, 2006, 10:59:27 PM
Navak37 has shown you a picture that he says is the ice wall and you don’t believe him.  Bill shows you a picture and you don’t believe him. I would also be fair and say that Dr. Bill's picture is a fake.  The fact of the matter is that no matter what we as flat earther’s say you guys whom believe in the round earth will say that we don’t have any evidence, what I am going to say is that the evidence for a flat earth is all around us, round earther’s are stuck in the biggest cover up in history and don’t know it.  When a lie is taught in school, and when a lie is stated as fact by EVERY academic institution and government it does not become a lie anymore it becomes a believed fact.  When you look into the distance you see flat.  In order to prove that a round earth exists we need to rely on technology to do it whether it be in an airplane. Or space flight, or satellites in orbit.  We also have to understand “physics” and “mathematics.” Both of these fields require one to attend a academic institution and learn from the liars that teach in them.  Step outside the box and look at the world the way it really is FLAT
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Crass on January 03, 2006, 11:39:42 PM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Navak37 has shown you a picture that he says is the ice wall and you don’t believe him.  Bill shows you a picture and you don’t believe him. I would also be fair and say that Dr. Bill's picture is a fake.  The fact of the matter is that no matter what we as flat earther’s say you guys whom believe in the round earth will say that we don’t have any evidence, what I am going to say is that the evidence for a flat earth is all around us, round earther’s are stuck in the biggest cover up in history and don’t know it.  When a lie is taught in school, and when a lie is stated as fact by EVERY academic institution and government it does not become a lie anymore it becomes a believed fact.  When you look into the distance you see flat.  In order to prove that a round earth exists we need to rely on technology to do it whether it be in an airplane. Or space flight, or satellites in orbit.  We also have to understand “physics” and “mathematics.” Both of these fields require one to attend a academic institution and learn from the liars that teach in them.  Step outside the box and look at the world the way it really is FLAT


bullhorn do you mind if i ask you some personall questions? how old are you, and what religion or cult affiliation do you align with? i think the only way you will ever belive the earth is round is if we strap you in a rocket and launch u into sub-orbit and let you see for yourself that the earth is round.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Mundi on January 04, 2006, 04:38:08 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Navak37 has shown you a picture that he says is the ice wall and you don’t believe him.  Bill shows you a picture and you don’t believe him. I would also be fair and say that Dr. Bill's picture is a fake.  The fact of the matter is that no matter what we as flat earther’s say you guys whom believe in the round earth will say that we don’t have any evidence, what I am going to say is that the evidence for a flat earth is all around us, round earther’s are stuck in the biggest cover up in history and don’t know it.

I think the point, which has been made fairly clearly now, is that photographic evidence isn't convincing anyone on either side. What you're looking for is an argument which seems reasonable without recourse to photographic methods. If you start providing us with these (which you were before but seem to have stopped) then you might find you get a better reception.
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When a lie is taught in school, and when a lie is stated as fact by EVERY academic institution and government it does not become a lie anymore it becomes a believed fact.  When you look into the distance you see flat.  In order to prove that a round earth exists we need to rely on technology to do it whether it be in an airplane. Or space flight, or satellites in orbit.  We also have to understand “physics” and “mathematics.” Both of these fields require one to attend a academic institution and learn from the liars that teach in them.  Step outside the box and look at the world the way it really is FLAT

You are casting doubt on the assumptions on which we can base an argument. If you discount the sort of learning which most people gain at auniversity then you're disregarding a lot of what a great deal of people take for granted. Perhaps you should state what assumptions we reasonably can make (see below).

As for disregarding mathematics: well, you can, I suppose, but there doesn't seem any reason to, since I don't believe there really is anything in mathematics which supports either side of the argument. And your flat Earth would be really strange (as opposed to just bizarre) if mathematics didn't work as usual: do you want 2 + 2 to equal 5? Most (if not all: posters may be able to think of a few topics which might not) of mathematics can be derived from simple arithmetic, by principles which I am sure you wouldn't disagree with. I think we can probably leave mathematics in our debates unless you have a good reason (other than it's taught at universities: if you use this line then we'll have to stop positing in English, since that's taught there too).

Unless something obviously supports one side or the other then we should probably just take it as read, and proceed from there. What specifically about the study of the physical world (i.e., physics) do you have an objection to?
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: bullhorn on January 04, 2006, 10:14:05 AM
I belong to no cult, I nejoy a good debate about a flat earth I will keep my posts to that of facts. I enjoy a good argument, i dont mean to sound extreme. Im appoligies if I sound foolish. I think that we should all stick to facts and try to challenge them that way . Thank you
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Mundi on January 04, 2006, 12:35:52 PM
You didn't answer my question, and I'd be grateful if you did. What assumptions do you think it's reasonable to make in debating this topic? For example, is mathematics acceptable?
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Frank on January 04, 2006, 12:43:23 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/incuman/Thewall.jpg)
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Dill on January 04, 2006, 06:48:55 PM
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Im appoligies if I sound foolish.


Wow way to fail again.

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well, something is obvious to me if you have the audacity to not believe the hard evidence that you have been presented with, you're a government spy working against us, i rest my case



So wait, if someone disagrees with you..they obviously must be with the government. Right. Got it. Asshole.

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if you do a google image search for the term "ice wall" this both images used by novak76 pops up first page of listings. the first image is that of an ice wall near mt. kilimanjaro. http://geowww.uibk.ac.at/glacio/RESEARCH/KILI/

the second image used is
obviously taken by mountain climbers in tibet or south america. http://www.cycleogical.com.au/asp/index.asp?page=news&sid=11
it has nothing to do with flat earth ideology and why you choose to use these images as evidence of the great magical ice wall is puzzleing to me.


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Navak37 has shown you a picture that he says is the ice wall and you don’t believe him.


All pictures that have been shown have been disapproved. They are not real! Crass has done a good job showing us this. Why don't you read a little before posting.

Look, there is no real proof that there is such a wall. the only real possible proof is that if there is a picture of someone on this wall who took the picture of where the wall ends and space starts. Only then will we all know it is THE WALL and not SOME WALL.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: 6strings on January 04, 2006, 08:11:11 PM
Huzzah Dill!!

Right, now for Bullhorn...

Look, I don't want to belabour this point, but bullhorn, as I clearly stated in my previous post, neither side may use pictures.  Now, I get that you don't feel like reading things, seeing as all those words must make you scared, what with your dylexia and all, but please, if you could, don't post arguments that have already been answered.

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The fact of the matter is that no matter what we as flat earther’s say you guys whom believe in the round earth will say that we don’t have any evidence

No, not at all.  You have again misunderstood the entire point of an argument.  One of the ways we can disprove your theory is by calling into question your evidence and it's validity, if we do and you cannot successfully defend it, you loose the argument.  The onus of prrof is on you, and it's our job to rip it to threads, so if you could defend your ridiculous point, I'd have no choice but to accept your reasoning.  That said, you haven't successfully done that, so shut up.

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what I am going to say is that the evidence for a flat earth is all around us

Prove it.  Show me this evidence.  I'll blow it out of the water.

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When a lie is taught in school, and when a lie is stated as fact by EVERY academic institution and government it does not become a lie anymore it becomes a believed fact.

I'm willing to believe that this is true, after all, people were taught that the earth is flat...However, if you can't (and from reading the rest of you r post, you can't) back this statement up, you have no place saying it.  Prove that the round earth is a lie, or don't throw wild accusations of it being a lie around.

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When you look into the distance you see flat.

And when I'm in a plane, I see a curve.  I know, I know...it's an optical illusion right?  So what prevents me from saying that the reason you see flat is an optical illusion as well, due to the very small degree the earth curves over?  Why is your optical illusion somehow more valid than my own?

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In order to prove that a round earth exists we need to rely on technology to do it whether it be in an airplane.  Or space flight, or satellites in orbit.

And what is your problem with using technology?  You're using a computer.  We use technology simply to gather more precise measurements than we'd be able to observe normally.  And airplanes?  What's your problem with those, they allow us to go high in the air, yes their based on our knowledge of the "black magics"  of math and physics (wihich is simply applied math), but those aren't founded on the earth being round, if they were, and the earth were flat, they wouldn't work.

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We also have to understand “physics” and “mathematics.” Both of these fields require one to attend a academic institution and learn from the liars that teach in them.

Yes...I can see why you'd distrust these people, I mean, who are they to say that 1+1=2?  You seem to be misunderstanding here bullhorn, people don't just magically invent laws in physics and math, and we don't mondlessly absorb them and use them.  All the most basic laws are based off things we\ve observed, then further laws are deived from them.  If you wanted to, you could perform basically any of these experiments yourself ad get the same results, all the teachers are doing is saving you this trouble.

And just so you know, bullhorn, you can't claim math is biased, because it's based on rules that we've discovered (not inveted, discovered), and as a result, you can't say physics is biased, because it's just math applied to the phyisical world.
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Step outside the box and look at the world the way it really is FLAT

Bullhorn, is it possible that you've step outside the box so much that you're no longer in the realm of logic?  This is another post in which you have, yet again, failed to substantiate any claim you happen to have made, but instead decided to start blowing smoke in everyone's face by calling our credibility into question, whe there's really no reason to question it.

As an asside, bullhorn, what is your fear of teachers?  Did they beat you as a child?  Were you one of those stupid kids, and you thought the teacher was against you, and that's why they gave you the pointy hat and sent you to the corner?  I'll bet you were...   :lol:
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Selling on January 04, 2006, 09:14:32 PM
Just wanted your explanation as to how people would manage to breath once they get near the ice wall ? Since it's common knowledge that you can't breath in space (unless that's a lie too), how do we breath once we hit this ice wall ?
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: TofuGlove on January 04, 2006, 09:29:20 PM
uhhhh not to pry or anything. but... why 150'? why not like, 10 miles, or better yet, something that correlates to the size of the earth? 150' is pretty fuckin tiny if you ask anyone. 150' of ice wall is like... what fell the Titanic. whatever you guys suck anyways.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: souray44 on January 04, 2006, 11:13:04 PM
wow. you guys fail at life.

nice pictures, but isn't this non existant ice-wall supposed to go around the OCEAN? where is the ocean?! i don't see a single drop of running water in the pictures you provided which goes against what you said about it containing the ocean.

and heres my question about this ice wall:
you said it was created by the massive change in pressure between the earth and space. how the FUCK is an ice wall supposed to stop us from being sucked into the lower pressure of space? way to make sense retards.

oooh the water won't pour out of earth because of the ice wall. well what about AIR? why do we still have oxygen? because an ice wall about 4 fucking miles below it is keeping it inside? nice try. For your theory to make sense with the laws of pressure (which is your ONLY theory for how the ice wall was created) all the air would be sucked out of the planet. a pressure change capable of freezing such a massive amount of water is certainly enough to move all our air into the vacuum of space. you will NEVER find a high pressure system that isnt perfectly contained present inside one massive low pressure system.

the earth would have to be inside a giant bubble for this to make sense. seeing as the light from the sun isn't refracted any more than can be mathematically proven by the laws of refraction between medians, then its perfectly logical to say there is no such bubble, and seeing as you never said there was one we can all agree on that. why aren't we all dead again?
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: bullhorn on January 05, 2006, 01:46:06 AM
Why 150? This is the number that has been told be the flat earth society for years, I can only assume that this is the height of the wall.  I havent seen the Ice Wall myself, I understand that it is protectd by an organisation. The name I dont know its purpose unknown. Anyways why 150 feet your guess is as good as mine.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: a on January 05, 2006, 02:40:11 AM
ok let me get this straight.

1) You reckon that the whole circumference of a circular disk the size of the earth is being monitered by "agencies"? Lets do some simple math.
Quick internet search shows the area of the earths surface to be 150,000,000 km^2. Now even if the earth was flat this figure would still be the same. Using Area=pi x radius^2 we find that the radius of such a flat earth would be around 7000 kms. Then using Circumference = 2 x pi x radius we find that the circumference of such an earth would be around 43400km.
Do you seriously think that government "agencies" police 43400km of sea. Thats rediculous. Like more that 1000 people would have to be involved (most probably more but stick with 1000). Do you seriously think 1000 people could keep such a secret. Moreover, wtf are they guarding it?

2) Second, why is the walll made of ice? No physics or chemistry could explain that. You say that the "pressure" makes the sea water ice. Wtf is up with that. Whats applying such "pressure". The sea? Im guessing that's your arguement; that the ocean's giant volume exerts so much pressure on edge that it makes it ice. That makes no f****** sense. Why is the pressure exerted on the edge? There is nothing for it to push against. It would mearly dissapate and the water would go over the edge. The most pressure in the oceans is at the bottom of the ocean. Are you saying that the sea floor is made of ice?

3) Ok here is the biggest obstacle for flat earth crazy people to prove. All of physics is based on the earth being round. And all of physics works. If the earth were flat, modern day physics would not work. Newtonian and Galilean laws are all based on the earth being round. In another thread I saw one of you flat earthers saw that Eistein's E=mc^2 must also be a conspiracy. Thats f****** rediculous. The A-bomb works. Are you saying that everyone that died in Hiroshima were in on your conspiracy.

4) you'll probably try to rebute pt 3) by saying that physics can work on a flat earth. I've read your proof for gravity. It's rediculous. That we are somehow accelerating a 9.8ms^-2 upwards to give the illusion of gravity. Ok. Here is Newton's first law of motion

An object at rest tends to stay at rest and an object in motion tends to stay in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

Now you cannot deny this law. If you do you are a f****** idiot. Why? Because it works. Look around you. OUr entire civilisation is pretty much built upon this law.
Why doesn't the car move? because your not hitting the gas; there's no force applied

So for the earth to have acceleration upwards at 9.8ms^-2 upwards we would have to have rocket boosters on the other side of the so called "disk".

Even if we were accelerating upwards, we would be reaching rediculous speeds. Like we would have been accelerating upwards for billions of years. And a disk isn't particularly aerodynamic. Like i know that space is a vaccuum. But seriously. We would have hit something by now if we were going that fast.

Also, explain this. This simple law v=u + at works. Who cares if the earth is round, flat or cubic. We know this law works. Why? Because it physically does. Vehicles physically undergo this law during motion. It's tried and tested. If you think this law is wrong then obviously you have never seen a car, a bike, a plane, a person running. Try it out. You flat earthers are thinking scientifically so whats the harm in some research. Get a model car and do some experiments. I assure you that this law works. using that law and your fact that we accelerate upwards at 9.8ms^-2 we find that after 1 year of the "rocket boosters' being turned on, we would be going at 309052800m/s. This is well above the speed of light. (if you don't believe the speed of light is what it is, then you are denying E=mc^2 and thus don't believe that Hiroshima occured)

So pretty much what I have proven is that
a) you think the earth is not flat
b) you don't belive Hiroshima occured
and you have to fall into one of those two catagories by my simple reasoning. all science i have used to prove this is apparently explainable in you flat world so you should be happy with it.

5)finally, explain day and night. right now. go.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Dill on January 05, 2006, 06:50:52 PM
a...YOU ROCK BRO NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICENESS WOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!

Everything said there cannot be disproved. Unfortunatly, if they do ever reply, they will say
a)you are with the government
b) They will make up shit to cover it up
c) hiroshima never happened
or
d) Bullhorn will explain what he learned at "Univercity" and be gay and do all of the above.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Starforsaken101 on January 05, 2006, 06:54:41 PM
No, they will most probably call Hiroshima an "illusion", just like the illusion of how objects supposedly fall on the flat Earth.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: 6strings on January 05, 2006, 07:06:09 PM
To be fair, it wouldn't prove that they don't believe the earth is flat, but rather that gravity doesn't work the way they say it does.  Also...how exactly was the atomic bomb based on the principle of E=mc^2?  It was used to prove that nothing can go faster than the speed of light if it has a mass, and that there's a correlation between mass and energy, but not build the atom bomb; Einstein just helped with that as well.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: FickMyDuck on January 05, 2006, 09:06:37 PM
Flat earthers must be Pink Floyd fans.  They're too much into "The Wall" concept.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: TofuGlove on January 05, 2006, 09:50:26 PM
E=mc^2 was used to show that mass could be converted into enormous amounts of energy and vice versa. I'm not sure how this would apply to the whole round vs. flat earth thing but what I do know is that if we're constantly accelerating, moving towards light speed and beyond, we'd have to throw Einstein's theory out the window.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: 6strings on January 06, 2006, 06:20:38 AM
I know, but "a" (the quotation marks are only there so you know it's not a stray letter) said that to deny E=mc^2 one must deny the atom bomb...and there really isn't any connection there, even if E did not = mc^2, the atom bomb would still functiom.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: TofuGlove on January 06, 2006, 09:35:15 PM
oh true, point taken. in either event, i think these people need to be re-educated. lol
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Cinlef on January 07, 2006, 12:33:54 PM
Bullhorn said
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Why 150? This is the number that has been told be the flat earth society for years, I can only assume that this is the height of the wall. I havent seen the Ice Wall myself, I understand that it is protectd by an organisation. The name I dont know its purpose unknown. Anyways why 150 feet your guess is as good as mine.

Okay Bullhorn in virtually every post you say that we believe in the round earth because we mindlessly believ what we're told without question.You then usually say if we were less guillible and relied only on what we can see and touch we'd admit your theory is correct.

How the F*** can you then justify the quote above. which I will now break into its component parts.

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Why 150? This is the number that has been told be the flat earth society for years,

Oh I get it if everyone else on Earth believes something and can do experiments that prove their assumptions= evil conspiracy.
If a lunatic groups of a few people who cant defend their points in an argument based solely on first principle logic say it it must be= an unchallengeble fact.
Oh course what the hell is wrong with me.(note that was intense sarcasm)

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I understand that it is protectd by an organisation. The name I dont know its purpose unknown. Anyways why 150 feet your guess is as good as mine

It's name I dont know and its purpose is unknown then how do you know it existes?
Either
A) someone told you so your guilty of the hypocrisy I pointed out above
or
B) It exists because your theory  demands it exists since otherwise you guys could just bring us to the wall of ice maybe open a criuise line that goes their and shut us up. Its inverted logic this must be true so what factors would allow it to be true rather than these factors are true and proven what does that mena is true.
You accuse us of not allowing our viewpoints to be challenged?
Understand this
YOU FLAT-EARTHERS ARE THE DOGMATIC ONES.
YOU IGNROE THE ARGUMENTS THAT REFUTE YOUR POINTS.
YOU RELY ON UNPROVABLE ASSUMPTIONS.
YOU DONT REASON FROM FIRST PRINCIPLES.
YOU DO NOT BELIEVE EXPERIMENTS YOU CAN CONDUCT IN YOUR OWN HOME.
YOU BLINDLY FOLLOW A BELIEF PURELY BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TOLD YOU ITS TRUE
YOU ARE THE BRAINWASHED ONES
If their had been any logical first principle argument that proves the flat eath model I'd listen my mind is open yours are closed,empty and closed
An enraged
Cinlef
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Javier_Vierja on January 20, 2006, 05:17:31 AM
No more questioning guys, here are some photos that the goverment still couldn't remove:

(http://www.patine-jp.com/snow/images/icewall.jpg)

(http://www.tomholmes.com/images/light-ice-2.jpg)

(http://www.glaciers.pdx.edu/Thomas/Canada/Canada%20Glacier%20Scott%20below%20the%20ice%20wall.jpg)

(http://www.mountain-guiding.com/instruction/ice-climbing/images/weeping-wall2_jpg.jpg)

So, there are proofs, the earth is flat!!!
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Believer on January 20, 2006, 05:28:59 AM
beat that rounders...

pics of a random ice wall.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Hardhead on January 20, 2006, 05:32:07 AM
Just for the record, I don't believe in the ice wall.  It may exist, but it may not.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Starforsaken101 on January 20, 2006, 05:39:45 AM
Yet again, let's look at where these pictures come from.

1st Picture
http://www.patine-jp.com/snow/images/icewall.jpg

Everyone, please go to http://www.patine-jp.com. This is a JAPANESE Ice Skating site. After barely looking on the site, I found the same picture listed above under "Artificial Snow". Scroll down and you'll see it.

Score: Me - 1 / Douchebag - 0

2nd Picture
http://www.tomholmes.com/images/light-ice-2.jpg

This one's hosted at http://www.tomholmes.com. Click the heading called "Ice" and keep pressing next until you reach this picture. It's a picture of A wall of ice, not THE wall of ice. By the way, this Tom Holmes guy is an "Architect - Sculptor - Craftsman", not a spy from the government, and not a flat-earther.

Score: Me - 2 / Douchebag - 0

3rd Picture
http://www.glaciers.pdx.edu/Thomas/Canada/Canada%20Glacier%20Scott%20below%20the%20ice%20wall.jpg

Must I even explain the source of this one? Just read! CANADA...GLACIERS. If you go here: http://glaciers.pdx.edu/Thomas/Canada/ , you'll notice it's an archive of photos of glaciers in CANADA.

Score: Me - 3 / Douchebag - 0

4th Picture
http://www.mountain-guiding.com/instruction/ice-climbing/images/weeping-wall2_jpg.jpg

This website, under "instruction" (http://www.mountain-guiding.com/instruction/ice-climbing/) is clearly an ice-climbing site, right? You see the picture on the left, under "Canadian Rockies". Nice try, I don't think the Canadian Rockies has THE Magical Ice Wall there.

Score: Me - 4 / Douchebag - 0

5th Picture
http://www.nvo.com/timharper/nss-folder/harbinphotos/ice%20wall.jpg

First off, go here: http://www.nvo.com/timharper/nss-folder/harbinphotos. The heading of the website is "Soaps from China" on the top of your browser. WTF does the Ice Wall have to do with Soaps from China? Just read the damn page, and you should see the photo listed. Plus, Douchebag, do you think the Ice Wall is illuminated like that?

Score: Me - 5 / Douchebag - 0

So, I don't know if this Douchebag was joking or not, but this proves his pictures are all fake. Be smart next time and re-host them, and re-name the photos if you want people suspecting they're real.

The Earth is not flat.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Hardhead on January 20, 2006, 05:53:03 AM
I'm pretty sure the he was joking, putting those pictures up.  I'd think the glowing one was a dead giveaway.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: bullhorn on January 20, 2006, 06:34:52 AM
Those are frauds, the reason this is is becuase no one has ever climbed it.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Javier_Vierja on January 20, 2006, 07:22:18 AM
What you don't realize guys, is that the pics are strategically camouflaged onto those web sites.
All the owners of the web sites that are hosting these pictures are actually flat earthers, but they are not making much noise about that because of the persecution of the goverment.

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I'd think the glowing one was a dead giveaway

I removed it because I had put this one by mistake.

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Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: pspunit on January 20, 2006, 09:54:03 AM
Quote from: "bullhorn"
Those are frauds, the reason this is is becuase no one has ever climbed it.


Why not? It's only 150 feet tall. There are far taller walls that have been climbed.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: pablo on January 20, 2006, 10:03:05 AM
Quote from: "Hardhead"
Just for the record, I don't believe in the ice wall.  It may exist, but it may not.


This brings us back to the question: howcome the water doesn't fall off the face of the earth?
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Javier_Vierja on January 20, 2006, 03:00:59 PM
Quote from: "pablo"
This brings us back to the question: howcome the water doesn't fall off the face of the earth?


Even when the earth is flat, it is not totally flat. There are buildings, there are trees, there are mountains, and there are seas; and the seas imply that there are a space to a lower level (to hold the water).

In short: the ice wall is over the level of the sea.
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Post by: Maureen on January 20, 2006, 03:49:08 PM
Okay, I realize that this is slightly off-topic, but while we're talking about ice walls, why does it go around the southern "edge" instead of the northern "edge"?
I'm sure flat-earthers will make up some nonsense about how everybody knows that the north pole is in the center and claim that round-earthers know this without realizing it because we say the north pole is at the top or something.
This is not true.
Neither pole is at the "top" because gravity pulls toward the center, not toward a particular pole.  I live in New England.  My sister went to Australia and New Zealand a couple of years ago, and she can attest to the facts that the Earth looks curved from an airplane and you aren't upside-down in the southern hemisphere.  In New Zealand, all the maps are "upside-down" by typical European standards, but this does not mean they are inaccurate.  An extraterrestrial approaching earth in a spacecraft could bring an "upside-down" map back to his planet and everyone would believe that it makes perfect sense.  What these extraterrestrials would not believe made sense would be a picture of a flat disk sitting around in space in a universe populated by spherical bodies.  If you deny the possibility of life on other planets, you're being an idiot.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Javier_Vierja on January 20, 2006, 09:43:03 PM
The sun have an effect on the light path, it pulls the light up, so the light rays get curved. That's why your sister saw the earth as it was curved.

(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1034/light9ns.jpg)
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: CrazyScience on January 20, 2006, 11:07:07 PM
Yes, absolutely right. The sun bends light due to it's gravitational pull (which Flat-Earthers claim doesn't exist). But here's the thing, light travels faster than most objects in the universe (Those that aren't slower, are the same speed - gravitons for instance). The faster you are moving, the harder it is to turn (that's why we slow down at corners when driving) At the speed of light, bending of the path is very minimal, and from our position on earth, the effect is only visible when staring straight at the edge of the Sun (through a polarised telescope, since you can't see much when staring at the Sun).

The picture, thankfully, cleared up absolutely nothing. It doesn't make any sense. The only thing that would cause curvature of light as you have described around earth, is Earth's gravitational pull (which doesn't exist) and even then, the pull has to rival the Sun's to make any noticable effect. Which would also affect us, by crushing us under the brute force of air.
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Post by: Maureen on January 21, 2006, 02:45:34 PM
Or maybe the earth appeared curved because it is?

While it is possible to bend light rays, it would be incredibly difficult to create enough gravity to make the earth appear curved if it wasn't.  Since flat-earthers believe that gravity is caused by some source other than the mass of the earth (or any similarly large object), you have no way of justifying your claim that gravity bends the light enough to make the earth look curved.
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Post by: Javier_Vierja on January 21, 2006, 03:13:36 PM
I didn't say that the earth has gravity, I didn't say that the force that bends the light to the sun is gravity either (but may be).
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Maureen on January 21, 2006, 03:19:57 PM
Perhaps I'm just ignorant, but I don't know of any other force that could bend light.  What do you suggest this force is?
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Panda on January 21, 2006, 03:26:48 PM
Quote from: "Maureen"
Perhaps I'm just ignorant, but I don't know of any other force that could bend light.  What do you suggest this force is?


Excellent point, considering that photons have almost zero physical mass and ONLY TRAVEL IN STRAIGHT LINES.
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Post by: Maureen on January 21, 2006, 03:30:34 PM
Well, they don't necessarily only travel in straight lines, since black holes have a gravitational pull that is even strong enough to capture light, but I can't fathom any other force capable of bending them to create this illusion.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Javier_Vierja on January 21, 2006, 03:52:14 PM
I'm still not sure what sort of force it is, may be gravity (of the sun).
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Norminator on January 21, 2006, 04:21:01 PM
It is incredibly hard to bend light (black holes being one of the only objects in the universe that can easily do it). Whilst stars can bend light as well, if humans were anywhere near such a source of gravity they would be dead, squashed, smooshed, crushed no questions asked.
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Cinlef on January 21, 2006, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: "Javier_Vierja"
I'm still not sure what sort of force it is, may be gravity (of the sun).

Lets use your logic
I say there is an invisible undetectable force lets call it force X I have no idea how it works or what scauses it. However I know it is proof that everything I believ in is right. Ergo the the earth is round due to force X.
Debate closed
Wait what I NEED TO HAVE A BASIS FOR MY STAMENTS. I CANT JUST WITHOUT ANY PROOF OR BASIS SAY THAT THERE IS A FORCE THAT DISCREDITS EYE-WITNESS EVIDENCE THAT DISPROVES MY ASSUMPTIONS? OH MY GOD BUT THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WHAT JAVIER_VIERJA SAY IS TOTAL BULLSHIT AS ITS WITHOUT BASIS EITHER FACTUAL OR LOGICAL HELL ITS NOT EVEN A CLEVER LIE!! WAIT YOU MEAN THATS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS? THAT THIS ARGUMENT CANT FUNCTION IF WE DONT ABIDE BY SIMPLE LOGIC BUT INSTEAD RESORT TO MORONIC IT MUST BE A LIE CAUSE IT CONTRADICTS MY STUPID BELIEFS? OH I SEE
An enraged
Cinlef
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Javier_Vierja on January 21, 2006, 10:36:03 PM
You have disproved nothing, you only have offended.
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Post by: Erasmus on January 21, 2006, 11:30:33 PM
Quote from: "Maureen"
Well, they don't necessarily only travel in straight lines, since black holes have a gravitational pull that is even strong enough to capture light, but I can't fathom any other force capable of bending them to create this illusion.


Actually, Maureen, the very theory that predicts that light follows a curved path around a black hole also claims that light always travels in a straight line (in a vacuum with no electromagnetic fields).

It just so happens that straight lines are bent by proximity to massive objects (or so goes the theory); why exactly this is, I believe, is a question on which there is much speculation but little robust theory.

And just because I hope this will really piss certain people off, it *also* states with conviction that all objects (yes!  not just gravitons and photons but also bicycles and ice cream and comets and Bill Gates) travel at the same speed as light!  And... you guess it... in straight lines!  Whee!

-Erasmus
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: CrazyScience on January 22, 2006, 01:11:19 AM
It's possible to bend light without gravity... See light follows the fastest route possible. In nearly all cases, that is a straight line. But it's faster to go closer to a large gravitational mass, so they follow the curve. And it's faster to glide through hot air than cool air, so on hot days when the tarmac is REALLY hot, light from the sky travels near the road and then up to our eyes. That is what causes the reflecton on the road.

I mean, that still doesn't help the case of Flat-Earthers since there isn't any real way to simulate the same Round-Earth from a Flat-Earth for every person facing different directions all from different positions. The illusions would cross somewhere (much like two people facing the same road from different directions wouldn't see the same mirage) and there'd be someone out there see a pretty funny shaped world. And I'm fairly certain that the only (insert shape here)-Earth Society is this one.

Besides, this technology isn't even available yet. A proper theory of light is only just coming into being with advancements in quantum mechanics. If we could create cool illusions like that, we'd have holographs by now. Damn, I can't wait till that happens.
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Post by: Cinlef on January 22, 2006, 08:29:10 AM
Quote from: "Javier_Vierja"
You have disproved nothing, you only have offended.

No you have proved nothing which I pointed out (granted in an angry way) you accuse us of being brainwashed and then someone points out a problem with your theory you invoke a force  which is unamed unexplained and whose only noticeble effect is that it invalidates a claim that shows a flaw in your theory? You can't do that ? You could have attempted to  invalidate her statment if you had proof that a force bends light making flat things appear curved or perhaps cited demonstratable examples fo this occruing you did neither you just resorted to idiotic circular reasoning. Rather than proper logic stament A is true thus Stament B is true thus Stament C is true. Your saying Stament C must be true thus stament B is true because it confirms stament C which is circular and faulty logic.
Abiding by that logic I could say Stament C=The earth is round thus there must exists stament B a force (force X) that makes the earth be round. End disscussion.  I have not done this (except caustically) because I abide by logic
Ask yourself who is the brainwashed one? Or elaborate on your explanation for light bending. However the stament as you made it is invalid and utterly worthless.
An enraged
Cinlef
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Javier_Vierja on January 22, 2006, 06:38:06 PM
Quote from: "Cinlef"
Ask yourself who is the brainwashed one?

OK.... thinking... reasonng "logically", elaborating an answer.... more reasoning... AND THE ANSWER IS...
¿Cinlef?
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Cinlef on January 22, 2006, 08:11:08 PM
The brainwashed one is the one who will not except a logical chian of reasoning that proves something but instead holds to there beliefs dogmatically. In this case your inablity to counter an observation which would seem to invalidate your point led you to create an pseudo explanation rather than either pointing out a logical flaw in her stament proving it to be false or reconsidering your assumptions this would tend to indicate our brainwashed or not very bright or that you were stal;ling to think up a real point that invalidates her observation. If it was the last one then now would be a good time to bring it up
An enraged
Cinlef
Title: Are there images available a the ice-wall?
Post by: Javier_Vierja on January 22, 2006, 09:31:17 PM
Cinlef, aren't you taking it too seriously?
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Post by: pspunit on January 23, 2006, 09:57:58 AM
He's enraged, you can tell because that's his sign-off. Enraged people are serious. Also kudos to Cinlef for a good point.
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Post by: Tristan the on January 25, 2006, 03:06:48 PM
I think that in posting those ice shelf pictures all these people did was prove that they in fact do not believe the theory they support, in attempting to carry their ideas with data they know is fake.
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Post by: ZOOBTRON on January 26, 2006, 12:31:47 AM
This topic has already been covered and was a win scored by team flat. I suggest you go here and get ready to have all you believe  turned on its head.   http://theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=564&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Where to from here....go, tell your neighbour "Don't be a round earth 'tard."