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Title: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on December 19, 2020, 10:32:10 AM


And science if tool for politics. Just go and count how many papers are shitting on conservatives and supporting extreme trans people who belive there are dozens of genders!

Well I think I can see where you get your anti-science views from. Thanks for clearing that up.
Care to explain more. I used it as sole example. No way i hate science just beacuse that. Also, i don't give a fuck about American politics, since i am not American. I used it as familiar example, since  i assume most of people who read this are.

Also, I havent met single Gay persion in my life (especialy not some more radical ones) so it realy isn't my concern what they do and who they love
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: JJA on December 19, 2020, 11:41:33 AM


And science if tool for politics. Just go and count how many papers are shitting on conservatives and supporting extreme trans people who belive there are dozens of genders!

Well I think I can see where you get your anti-science views from. Thanks for clearing that up.
Care to explain more. I used it as sole example. No way i hate science just beacuse that. Also, i don't give a fuck about American politics, since i am not American. I used it as familiar example, since  i assume most of people who read this are.

Also, I havent met single Gay persion in my life (especialy not some more radical ones) so it realy isn't my concern what they do and who they love

I'm pretty sure you have met many gay people in your life, but if they heard you talk like that they certainly wouldn't open up to you about it. Also, people don't tend to tell strangers their sexual orientation, why should they? Gay's don't need to identify themselves.

For someone who doesn't care what they do, you have strong feelings about "extreme trans" and "radical" gays.  What's so extreme and radical about them?  Just because they think there are more ways to name genders than you do?  So what?

Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on December 19, 2020, 12:51:50 PM
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I'm pretty sure you have met many gay people in your life, but if they heard you talk like that they certainly wouldn't open up to you about it. Also, people don't tend to tell strangers their sexual orientation, why should they? Gay's don't need to identify themselves.

I don't have opinion on any gay people i know are gay, is it better. And i belive bieng gay or lesbian is okay and i support them, but whoudn't go futher form that.


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For someone who doesn't care what they do, you have strong feelings about "extreme trans" and "radical" gays.  What's so extreme and radical about them?  Just because they think there are more ways to name genders than you do?  So what?

By non-radical i mean ones who don't make ther whole persionality about it.

By radical i meant this:

https://images.app.goo.gl/KT2poCtr6Pd2Pmsc9

Drag queens, pedosexuals, furries...

Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on December 19, 2020, 12:57:57 PM
Do i have to say anything JJA? Do I need to explain why i dissagree with people like these:






I havent watched them so it might be satire, but it gives you feel of what i dissagree with
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: JJA on December 19, 2020, 01:12:52 PM
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I'm pretty sure you have met many gay people in your life, but if they heard you talk like that they certainly wouldn't open up to you about it. Also, people don't tend to tell strangers their sexual orientation, why should they? Gay's don't need to identify themselves.

I don't have opinion on any gay people i know are gay, is it better. And i belive bieng gay or lesbian is okay and i support them, but whoudn't go futher form that.


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For someone who doesn't care what they do, you have strong feelings about "extreme trans" and "radical" gays.  What's so extreme and radical about them?  Just because they think there are more ways to name genders than you do?  So what?

By non-radical i mean ones who don't make ther whole persionality about it.

By radical i meant this:

https://images.app.goo.gl/KT2poCtr6Pd2Pmsc9

Drag queens, pedosexuals, furries...

Nice wide brush you got there.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.  So... I see guys with makeup. This offends you? 

Seriously, drag queens and pedophiles have nothing to with each other.  Might as well group together guys who like eating potatoes with serial killers.  No relation.

And furries too.  What did they ever do to you?  What would our resident brony think? :)
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on December 19, 2020, 01:26:42 PM
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I'm pretty sure you have met many gay people in your life, but if they heard you talk like that they certainly wouldn't open up to you about it. Also, people don't tend to tell strangers their sexual orientation, why should they? Gay's don't need to identify themselves.

I don't have opinion on any gay people i know are gay, is it better. And i belive bieng gay or lesbian is okay and i support them, but whoudn't go futher form that.


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For someone who doesn't care what they do, you have strong feelings about "extreme trans" and "radical" gays.  What's so extreme and radical about them?  Just because they think there are more ways to name genders than you do?  So what?

By non-radical i mean ones who don't make ther whole persionality about it.

By radical i meant this:

https://images.app.goo.gl/KT2poCtr6Pd2Pmsc9

Drag queens, pedosexuals, furries...

Nice wide brush you got there.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.  So... I see guys with makeup. This offends you? 


Seriously, drag queens and pedophiles have nothing to with each other.  Might as well group together guys who like eating potatoes with serial killers.  No relation.

And furries too.  What did they ever do to you?  What would our resident brony think? :)

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It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.  So... I see guys with makeup. This offends you? 

Yes, i belive they had issues which snowballed into this. They need help.

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Seriously, drag queens and pedophiles have nothing to with each other.  Might as well group together guys who like eating potatoes with serial killers.  No relation

Where i said they do? I was talking about radical side of sexual orientation issues, or people i belive need to be helped.
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And furries too.  What did they ever do to you? 

Unspeakable things...

But seriously they are cringe
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: JJA on December 19, 2020, 01:46:10 PM
Yes, i belive they had issues which snowballed into this. They need help.

I wonder what issues snowballed and made you so scared of anyone different. Something you are repressing? Maybe you SHOULD go meet some gay people and find out they are just like everyone else. Nothing to be frightened of.

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Seriously, drag queens and pedophiles have nothing to with each other.  Might as well group together guys who like eating potatoes with serial killers.  No relation

Where i said they do? I was talking about radical side of sexual orientation issues, or people i belive need to be helped.

Radical being what... not dressing like you do? How awful, yes, get them into the re-education camps right away. You claim science is repressing new ideas and expression, yet here you are wanting to force everyone to fit your narrow views.

But seriously they are cringe

I'm sorry you are so uptight and uncomfortable about your own sexuality that you can't handle seeing anyone express theirs. How sad.
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on December 19, 2020, 02:48:14 PM
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Maybe you SHOULD go meet some gay people and find out they are just like everyone else. Nothing to be frightened of.

I have no issues with gay people who are like everyone else. Are men who dress in women's clothes and go to surgeries to install boops and vagina like everyone else?

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, yet here you are wanting to force everyone to fit your narrow views
No, i have pretty vide view. I dissagree with most radical of the LGBT.

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I'm sorry you are so uptight and uncomfortable about your own sexuality that you can't handle seeing anyone express theirs. How sad.
 


So you belive furries aren't cringe. Okay, enjoy this :)



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Gravity wave detectors?

They don't use relativity. They use wtong equations, they shoud have used ones for dynamic systems
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: JackBlack on December 19, 2020, 03:31:03 PM
I have no issues with gay people who are like everyone else.
And by virtue of being gay rather than straight it is pretty easy to dismiss them as not like everyone else.
So that is effectively the same as saying you have no issues with gay people that are straight.

You will find people are vastly different and it is pretty much impossible to find 2 people that are the same.

Just what is the problem with men wearing dresses?
The assigning of clothes to a particular sex is nothing more than blatant sexism, and has varied throughout the ages.

So you belive furries aren't cringe. Okay, enjoy this :)
I believe lots of things are cringe, including you. Does that mean I should be able to supress you?

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Gravity wave detectors?
They don't use relativity. They use wtong equations, they shoud have used ones for dynamic systems
Sandy claiming something doesn't magically make it true.
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on December 19, 2020, 04:07:17 PM
I belive that we shoud stop talking about gay rights and LGBT and return to topic.
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: JJA on December 19, 2020, 04:38:15 PM
I have no issues with gay people who are like everyone else.

You really have no idea how terrible this sounds, do you.

NAZI Germany didn't have problems with the Jews as long as they made sure not to act like Jews.

Being a Christian in ancient Rome was fine, just make sure not to ever let anyone know or you got fed to lions.

You are telling a group of people you have no problem with them as long as they don't act gay. It's not them you hate, it's their behavior. You just want to 'help' them be like you. They don't need help, you do.
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on December 19, 2020, 10:56:02 PM
I have no issues with gay people who are like everyone else.


You really have no idea how terrible this sounds, do you.

NAZI Germany didn't have problems with the Jews as long as they made sure not to act like Jews.

Being a Christian in ancient Rome was fine, just make sure not to ever let anyone know or you got fed to lions.

You are telling a group of people you have no problem with them as long as they don't act gay. It's not them you hate, it's their behavior. You just want to 'help' them be like you. They don't need help, you do.

No, i am okay with gays who just like men. I am not okay with ones who cit ther dick off and wear dresses. I helive there is something a little off in ther head.
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: JackBlack on December 20, 2020, 01:07:22 AM
No, i am okay with gays who just like men. I am not okay with ones who cit ther dick off and wear dresses. I helive there is something a little off in ther head.
Are you fine with the loads of people who cut their dicks, or cut the dicks of young children?
What about people that cut (or stab) their ear?
Just what is wrong with men wanting to wear dresses?
You are aware that in the past plenty of men have worn dresses or clothes like dresses?
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 20, 2020, 04:26:59 AM
NAZI Germany didn't have problems with the Jews as long as they made sure not to act like Jews.
This isn't even remotely true.
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: JJA on December 20, 2020, 05:05:00 AM
I have no issues with gay people who are like everyone else.


You really have no idea how terrible this sounds, do you.

NAZI Germany didn't have problems with the Jews as long as they made sure not to act like Jews.

Being a Christian in ancient Rome was fine, just make sure not to ever let anyone know or you got fed to lions.

You are telling a group of people you have no problem with them as long as they don't act gay. It's not them you hate, it's their behavior. You just want to 'help' them be like you. They don't need help, you do.

No, i am okay with gays who just like men. I am not okay with ones who cit ther dick off and wear dresses. I helive there is something a little off in ther head.

"I'm ok with Jews, I am not ok with the ones who wear kippahs. I believe there is something a little off in their head."

You can't say you have no problem with gays, and then go on to say you have a problem with gays.

So you only like the GOOD gays. Ones that behave and act in ways that you approve.

Grow up, learn to deal with whatever issues that are making you feel so uncomfortable when you see something as simple as a human waring a dress.
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on December 20, 2020, 05:28:22 AM
No, i am okay with gays who just like men. I am not okay with ones who cit ther dick off and wear dresses. I helive there is something a little off in ther head.
Are you fine with the loads of people who cut their dicks, or cut the dicks of young children?
What about people that cut (or stab) their ear?

No, i am not okay with that

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  You are aware that in the past plenty of men have worn dresses or clothes like dresses?

Yes, and it isn't beacuse they wanted to be women
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 20, 2020, 05:57:20 AM
Being gay doesn't mean the person wants to cut their dick off and be someone they are not.

Your level of ignorance is astounding. Gay people are like everyone else you ever meet, they just have a different sexual preference like you might prefer a different colour than I do. It's not the big deal you think it is

Also my best friend I've known since highschool is gay. I've known that since the year I met him. You wouldn't know it though to see or speak to him. He doesn't advertise it the same way I don't advertise I am 'straight'. Not every gay person speaks with a campy voice wearing a T-shirt 2 sizes too small and donning a manbag you know ::)
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on December 20, 2020, 06:22:05 AM
Being gay doesn't mean the person wants to cut their dick off and be someone they are not.

Your level of ignorance is astounding. Gay people are like everyone else you ever meet, they just have a different sexual preference like you might prefer a different colour than I do. It's not the big deal you think it is

Also my best friend I've known since highschool is gay. I've known that since the year I met him. You wouldn't know it though to see or speak to him. He doesn't advertise it the same way I don't advertise I am 'straight'. Not every gay person speaks with a campy voice wearing a T-shirt 2 sizes too small and donning a manbag you know ::)


No, i don't hate NORMAL gays like your friend!

I don't like people like this:

Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Stash on December 20, 2020, 06:44:37 AM
Being gay doesn't mean the person wants to cut their dick off and be someone they are not.

Your level of ignorance is astounding. Gay people are like everyone else you ever meet, they just have a different sexual preference like you might prefer a different colour than I do. It's not the big deal you think it is

Also my best friend I've known since highschool is gay. I've known that since the year I met him. You wouldn't know it though to see or speak to him. He doesn't advertise it the same way I don't advertise I am 'straight'. Not every gay person speaks with a campy voice wearing a T-shirt 2 sizes too small and donning a manbag you know ::)


No, i don't hate NORMAL gays like your friend!

I don't like people like this:



"Normal" gays? Could you be more bigoted? You've got some serious growing up to do and need to ingest a large amount of humanity.

Wow, your point of view is beyond disappointing.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Space Cowgirl on December 20, 2020, 06:53:33 AM
Most of the weird fetishists aren't gay, a lot of them refer to themselves as "queer" but that doesn't mean they are same sex attracted.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Jamie on December 20, 2020, 09:24:56 AM
I think I'm the only gay guy on these forums.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JJA on December 20, 2020, 10:49:21 AM
I think I'm the only gay guy on these forums.

Highly unlikely. There should be exactly 99.0 gay forum members based on the exceedingly precise statistic of 10% of any population being gay, which is totally accurate because so many people repeat it.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: markjo on December 20, 2020, 10:58:20 AM
I think I'm the only gay guy on these forums.
Is anyone else here old enough to remember when "gay" used to mean "happy" and "queer" used to mean "unusual"?
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: JackBlack on December 20, 2020, 01:07:18 PM
You are aware that in the past plenty of men have worn dresses or clothes like dresses?

Yes, and it isn't beacuse they wanted to be women
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That would be an objection to trans people, not gay people.
Gay men wearing dresses doesn't mean they want to be women.

It seems you want to equate any gay person that act in a way not in accordance with your blatantly sexist idea of how a man should act you equate to a trans person.

No, i don't hate NORMAL gays like your friend!
I don't like people like this:
You mean that heterosexual couple? i.e. a male and female.
How is that in any way related to being gay?
Do you understand what being gay means?

It doesn't just mean anything you think is sexually deviant.
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: JJA on December 20, 2020, 01:11:33 PM
No, i don't hate NORMAL gays like your friend!
I don't like people like this:
You mean that heterosexual couple? i.e. a male and female.
How is that in any way related to being gay?
Do you understand what being gay means?

It doesn't just mean anything you think is sexually deviant.

Code's worst nightmare, a woman dressed as a male furry wearing a dress.

But I agree, I think he's confused as to what gay means.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Jamie on December 20, 2020, 01:37:34 PM
Poor, confused Code.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on December 20, 2020, 01:55:25 PM
 Okay, i won't lie anymore. You are right. I havent thought a lot about this when I posted it, and I was ashamed admitting i am wrong
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JJA on December 20, 2020, 02:10:39 PM
Okay, i won't lie anymore. You are right. I havent thought a lot about this when I posted it, and I was ashamed admitting i am wrong

There is nothing to be ashamed of about admitting when you are wrong. It's hard. I had to do it here several times this week.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: markjo on December 20, 2020, 02:34:08 PM
Okay, i won't lie anymore. You are right. I havent thought a lot about this when I posted it, and I was ashamed admitting i am wrong
Yes, ignorance is the souce of much bigotry.  Taking the time to actually learn about things that bother you can go a very long way towards getting them to not bother you so much.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Space Cowgirl on December 20, 2020, 02:58:42 PM
To be fair, that person who identifies as a dog, also identifies as a man. lol
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Jamie on December 20, 2020, 03:39:03 PM
Okay, i won't lie anymore. You are right. I havent thought a lot about this when I posted it, and I was ashamed admitting i am wrong

All good.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 20, 2020, 04:34:35 PM
Okay, i won't lie anymore. You are right. I havent thought a lot about this when I posted it, and I was ashamed admitting i am wrong

Hey, live and learn man, it's all good. 8)
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Jamie on December 20, 2020, 05:02:28 PM
Just don't ask me about the gay agenda. It's a secret.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Crouton on December 21, 2020, 07:24:00 AM
I'm sure it's as terrifying as it is fabulous.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: boydster on December 21, 2020, 08:43:14 AM
Just don't ask me about the gay agenda. It's a secret.
What are you planning, and why is it the destruction of the world's remaining population of sugar gliders?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JJA on December 21, 2020, 11:36:30 AM
Just don't ask me about the gay agenda. It's a secret.
What are you planning, and why is it the destruction of the world's remaining population of sugar gliders?

Gays don't like the competition.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Jamie on December 21, 2020, 01:25:52 PM
What are you planning, and why is it the destruction of the world's remaining population of sugar gliders?

The extermination of sugar gliders is merely a distraction.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 18, 2021, 03:29:05 PM
I think I'm the only gay guy on these forums.

Highly unlikely. There should be exactly 99.0 gay forum members based on the exceedingly precise statistic of 10% of any population being gay, which is totally accurate because so many people repeat it.

Whoud be nice if you listed source
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 18, 2021, 03:33:50 PM
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But I agree, I think he's confused as to what gay means

No, i am not. I knew what it meant form the begining of this thread. I made mistake of writing gay when meant any other form of sexual minority.

And that dog persion was meant to be analogy.

And jackblack, why do you claim clothing is sexist?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 18, 2021, 08:14:16 PM
In more than a few cultures, men wear dresses. It's no big deal for them. It's just 'The West' who seem to take issue
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on March 19, 2021, 12:27:46 AM
I think I'm the only gay guy on these forums.

Highly unlikely. There should be exactly 99.0 gay forum members based on the exceedingly precise statistic of 10% of any population being gay, which is totally accurate because so many people repeat it.

Whoud be nice if you listed source
It is sarcasm.
Here is an example:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/05/10-per-cent-population-gay-alfred-kinsey-statistics

And jackblack, why do you claim clothing is sexist?
Not clothes themselves, but the idea of saying only one particular sex can wear a certain item of clothing is.
It is discrimination based upon sex, i.e. sexism.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 19, 2021, 12:54:45 AM
In more than a few cultures, men wear dresses. It's no big deal for them. It's just 'The West' who seem to take issue

Yeah, but they don't wear it for trans reasons
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 19, 2021, 12:57:46 AM
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but the idea of saying only one particular sex can wear a certain item of clothing is.

Why? Men and women have diffirent bodies so diffirent clothing is natural thing. Also, it is just appropriate thing to do realy.

Is coming to work in some company in dirty worker clothing and getting looked upon discrimiation aganist worker class?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on March 19, 2021, 02:08:05 AM
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but the idea of saying only one particular sex can wear a certain item of clothing is.
Why? Men and women have diffirent bodies so diffirent clothing is natural thing. Also, it is just appropriate thing to do realy.
Not in the slightest.
For that you mainly get differently shaped torsos.
Just what about a woman's body makes them uniquely suited to wearing dresses and what about a man's body makes them not suited for wearing dresses?
Absolutely nothing.

It is entirely cultural, with society/culture making up sexist standards and acting like they should all be obeyed.
In the not-to-distant past, it was quite strange for a woman of class to be wearing anything other than a dress. But look how society has changed, not being fine with them wearing pants.

Is coming to work in some company in dirty worker clothing and getting looked upon discrimiation aganist worker class?
That depends on what work you are doing and if that dirt is appropriate for the work.

In more than a few cultures, men wear dresses. It's no big deal for them. It's just 'The West' who seem to take issue
Yeah, but they don't wear it for trans reasons
And men in the west can wear dresses without wanting to be women.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 19, 2021, 02:15:30 AM
About the only thing a man could wear that a woman cant or would be pointless to is a codpiece. Apart from that, there is no reason I should not be able to go outside rocking a boob tube and a short skirt with heels  8) How would that affect anyones life?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Stash on March 19, 2021, 02:35:40 AM
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but the idea of saying only one particular sex can wear a certain item of clothing is.

Why? Men and women have diffirent bodies so diffirent clothing is natural thing. Also, it is just appropriate thing to do realy.

Let's see if we can push you further out on the limb.

Is it inappropriate to you if Shifter decides to take his wife out to a nice dinner, he wearing a fetching foral blouse with a matching skirt and highheels and she wearing a pinstripe suite with a silk red tie and wing-tip shoes? None of which seem to have any negative physical effects due to different body types.

If so, why? Does that offend you in some way? If so, why?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Pezevenk on March 19, 2021, 03:26:39 AM
ITT: literally only straight people debating about LGBT people (although at least the opinions are alright for the most part!) .

Also it is endlessly amusing how the conservatives here also get upset about men wearing dresses, but they get hard over these guys:

(https://www.schooltime.gr/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/tsolias-euzonas.jpg)

(It is a traditional tsolias outfit, they used to be the select forces of the army during the time of Greek liberation, and these days they constitute the presidential guard)
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Pezevenk on March 19, 2021, 03:33:10 AM
I think I'm the only gay guy on these forums.
Oh didn't know you are gay. I guess that means is not literally only straight people debating about LGBT. Also I'm bi.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 19, 2021, 05:13:15 AM
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That depends on what work you are doing and if that dirt is appropriate for the work.

I meant working in some banking or office job

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Is it inappropriate to you if Shifter decides to take his wife out to a nice dinner, he wearing a fetching foral blouse with a matching skirt and highheels and she wearing a pinstripe suite with a silk red tie and wing-tip shoes? None of which seem to have any negative physical effects due to different body types.

Yes, it whoud be a problem for me. But i guess he whoudn't do it realy
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 19, 2021, 05:21:56 AM

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Is it inappropriate to you if Shifter decides to take his wife out to a nice dinner, he wearing a fetching foral blouse with a matching skirt and highheels and she wearing a pinstripe suite with a silk red tie and wing-tip shoes? None of which seem to have any negative physical effects due to different body types.

Yes, it whoud be a problem for me. But i guess he whoudn't do it realy

The question would be why does it 'bother' you... How are you affected by my attire? Is my wife wearing the suit and wingtip shoes less a problem for you?

While I don't know you, I'd say if me being comfortable in any attire including a floral blouse really grinds your gears then the problem isn't me, but you. Are you irked only if you see me in a dress out somewhere? Or just the knowledge or thought that I'm wearing a dress out? lol. Maybe me wearing a dress somehow threatens your own masculinity? If so, you are the one with an issue to work through. It speaks to your own insecurities. Not me wearing a dress.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/1cebcb8acf1084fef8a74472db8f21ed/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Jamie on March 19, 2021, 05:32:39 AM
I think I'm the only gay guy on these forums.
Oh didn't know you are gay. I guess that means is not literally only straight people debating about LGBT. Also I'm bi.

There's at least two of us!

Very technically, I'm bi too. But for me it's like having a very, very strong preference for pie over cake. Would you bother to explain the nuance of that preference to people, or would you just say you like pie?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 19, 2021, 06:42:00 AM
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but the idea of saying only one particular sex can wear a certain item of clothing is.

Why? Men and women have diffirent bodies so diffirent clothing is natural thing. Also, it is just appropriate thing to do realy.

Is coming to work in some company in dirty worker clothing and getting looked upon discrimiation aganist worker class?

Apart from women requiring clothes that take into account hips and breasts, there's no reason that any clothes are classed as male or female. I'm wearing a three piece suit right now, to match with my son. He sometimes likes to combine a tutu with his suit and has requested a pink shirt next time I buy him a new one, turns out his body is perfectly capable of wearing a tutu, doesn't make his penis fall off or anything.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JJA on March 19, 2021, 06:44:15 AM
I think I'm the only gay guy on these forums.
Oh didn't know you are gay. I guess that means is not literally only straight people debating about LGBT. Also I'm bi.

There's at least two of us!

Very technically, I'm bi too. But for me it's like having a very, very strong preference for pie over cake. Would you bother to explain the nuance of that preference to people, or would you just say you like pie?

Wouldn't it be nice if nobody cared if you liked pie or cake?  Be nice if people didn't have to hide the fact they like cake if they want a job at a company who's CEO likes pie.  Cake eaters can't wear pants.  Pie eaters aren't allowed to like flowers.  It's all dumb.

Personally, I am fond of pie shakes.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: sceptimatic on March 19, 2021, 07:21:27 AM
I think I'm the only gay guy on these forums.
Is anyone else here old enough to remember when "gay" used to mean "happy" and "queer" used to mean "unusual"?
Yeah, me.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Jamie on March 19, 2021, 08:50:13 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if nobody cared if you liked pie or cake?  Be nice if people didn't have to hide the fact they like cake if they want a job at a company who's CEO likes pie.  Cake eaters can't wear pants.  Pie eaters aren't allowed to like flowers.  It's all dumb.

Personally, I am fond of pie shakes.

I agree, but pragmatically, we live in a world where it does matter, which is both understandable and unfortunate.

It's probably why no one in several years has known I was gay till I told them -- I've become exceptionally good at hiding it. I had to become good at that.

Queer kid growing up in the Midwest? Not fun nor easy. Having to attend church once or twice or thrice a week just to be told that gays will burn in hell? Not the best thing to hear when you're nine-years-old. Getting your ass kicked for being a faggot? That was just a part of the weekly school routine.

I came into this world exactly as I am and it was hostile towards people like me. I don't get it, but it's just my reality. I'm really glad it's changing, though, even if it's a little too late for people like me who were stamped under a metaphorical boot for decades.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 19, 2021, 09:03:27 AM
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While I don't know you, I'd say if me being comfortable in any attire including a floral blouse really grinds your gears then the problem isn't me, but you. Are you irked only if you see me in a dress out somewhere? Or just the knowledge or thought that I'm wearing a dress out? lol. Maybe me wearing a dress somehow threatens your own masculinity? If so, you are the one with an issue to work through. It speaks to your own insecurities. Not me wearing a dress.

What whoud be diffirence between knowing you do that and seeing you do same thing? And i never get that "theat to your own masculinity" argument"?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 19, 2021, 09:04:56 AM
Also, form which thread was this transfered btw?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: boydster on March 19, 2021, 09:13:03 AM
Also, form which thread was this transfered btw?
From the Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat thread. Because this conversation was a pretty gigantic derailment from the topic and seemed to merit its own conversation.

Also, you should ask yourself why the way someone chooses to dress themselves has the power to bother you. That's a lot of control over your own psyche that you are giving to the rest of the world, and for what?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 19, 2021, 09:22:11 AM
Thanks. And it doesn't activly bother me as you might want to belive. I just think it is wierd for men to wear a dress
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: boydster on March 19, 2021, 09:32:11 AM
Thanks. And it doesn't activly bother me as you might want to belive. I just think it is wierd for men to wear a dress
It's weird that anyone wears clothes at all. Have you seen the rest of the animal kingdom? We're pretty unique in this whole clothes-wearing habit we have.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 19, 2021, 09:33:00 AM
We're pretty unique in this whole clothes-wearing habit we have.
You wear a habit?  Pics please!
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: boydster on March 19, 2021, 09:42:40 AM
We're pretty unique in this whole clothes-wearing habit we have.
You wear a habit?  Pics please!
Do I, or do I not wear a habit? ;)
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JJA on March 19, 2021, 09:46:59 AM
Humans are not the only animals to wear clothes.  Heck, not even the only ones where males wear dresses.

(https://i.imgur.com/erDARKL.jpg)
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 19, 2021, 09:48:16 AM
Counterevidence.

(https://i.imgur.com/erDARKL.jpg)

Demn he kinda hot tho :-*  8)
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 19, 2021, 10:11:11 AM
You know what's weird? Wearing pantyhose in the summertime.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 19, 2021, 10:31:42 AM
You know what's weird? Wearing pantyhose in the summertime.
Less weird in an British summer than a Florida one.  Also known as tights.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 19, 2021, 10:54:32 AM
You know what's weird? Wearing pantyhose in the summertime.
Less weird in an British summer than a Florida one.  Also known as tights.



You gotta be a real man to wear tights!
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on March 19, 2021, 02:21:38 PM
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That depends on what work you are doing and if that dirt is appropriate for the work.
I meant working in some banking or office job
If you are working in a banking or office job, you should have attire that is appropriate for it. And that means it shouldn't be covered in dirt. It should be fairly clean, and it doesn't take much to have clean clothes. At the basic level, you need water, soap and a place to dry it.


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Is it inappropriate to you if Shifter decides to take his wife out to a nice dinner, he wearing a fetching foral blouse with a matching skirt and highheels and she wearing a pinstripe suite with a silk red tie and wing-tip shoes? None of which seem to have any negative physical effects due to different body types.
Yes, it whoud be a problem for me. But i guess he whoudn't do it realy
Why?
What causes it to be a problem for you?
In what way does it affect you?

It is nothing more than blatant sexism.
Is it also a problem for you if a woman is the main worker for a house while a man stays at home to look after children?
Is it also a problem for you if a woman is in a position of power over men?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 19, 2021, 02:27:37 PM
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It is nothing more than blatant sexism.
Is it also a problem for you if a woman is the main worker for a house while a man stays at home to look after children?
Is it also a problem for you if a woman is in a position of power over men?

No, it isn't a problem for me. If it were, then it whoud be real sexism
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on March 19, 2021, 02:32:31 PM
And i never get that "theat to your own masculinity" argument"?
There are a few related arguments based upon that.

For example:
You seem to think there are things which are appropriate for women only, that men shouldn't be wearing.
This is typically based upon sexist, outdated gender roles where men where in charge and women obeyed men.
By challenging these roles you challenge the structure that has men at the top. If men can wear dresses, why can't women be in charge?
This also undermines the similar sexist ideas of masculinity and femininity.
If men can wear dresses, why do they need to be strong and agro? Why can't they be kind and nurturing and like cooking and caring for kids?

So by having people attack these sexist gender restrictions it attacks the very idea of what some people have built up regarding what makes a man a man and what makes a woman a woman.
And some people have very much built up an idea of themselves based upon these sexist ideas, some times even going against what they actually want. And in some cases that later part really hurts because they were meant to be a man that was meant to be tough and strong and stand up for things, but they were cowardly and just gave in to ridiculous societal demands and did what they thought a man should do rather than standing up for themselves and doing what they wanted to. And that means they failed at being the man they tried to be.


The alternative is that seeing a man in a dress (or thinking about ont) turns you on and makes you feel gay and less masculine, which again is based upon sexist sterotypes.

Personally, I think the words masculine and feminine should be reserved for words and ideas tying them to people should be discarded as sexist and outdated, and that gender and sex, when referring to humans should only refer to biological sex based upon sexual reproduction.

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It is nothing more than blatant sexism.
Is it also a problem for you if a woman is the main worker for a house while a man stays at home to look after children?
Is it also a problem for you if a woman is in a position of power over men?
No, it isn't a problem for me. If it were, then it whoud be real sexism
So you are saying men wearing dresses is a problem, but other things where men and women defy typical gender roles is not a problem?
Why?
Men not wearing dresses is just another "gender role".
Even thinking men shouldn't be wearing dresses is real sexism.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2021, 01:06:23 AM
So, if a man can throw a tall tree trunk 100 feet and a cannon ball a quarter of a mile,     
you're going to walk up and call him a pussy for wearing a kilt?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 20, 2021, 02:50:04 AM
So, if a man can throw a tall tree trunk 100 feet and a cannon ball a quarter of a mile,     
you're going to walk up and call him a pussy for wearing a kilt?

No beacause he doesn't wear it to look feminine
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 20, 2021, 02:53:56 AM
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So you are saying men wearing dresses is a problem, but other things where men and women defy typical gender roles is not a problem?
Why?
Men not wearing dresses is just another "gender role".
Even thinking men shouldn't be wearing dresses is real sexism.

I don't have issue with dresses as a peice of clothing, but i dissagre with ther meaning. If a man wears a dress what can it mean? (Ignoring culture)

It means that he wants to be feminine, so   he is a trans to some extent. Prehaps he haven't done transition yet, but he is still some level of trans. And i dissage with trans people
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 20, 2021, 03:09:43 AM
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So you are saying men wearing dresses is a problem, but other things where men and women defy typical gender roles is not a problem?
Why?
Men not wearing dresses is just another "gender role".
Even thinking men shouldn't be wearing dresses is real sexism.

I don't have issue with dresses as a peice of clothing, but i dissagre with ther meaning. If a man wears a dress what can it mean? (Ignoring culture)

It means that he wants to be feminine, so   he is a trans to some extent. Prehaps he haven't done transition yet, but he is still some level of trans. And i dissage with trans people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_skirts
Basically men not wearing a skirt is the exception, not the rule. In the past many countries which have now decided it is no longer fashionable, had men wearing skirts and their masculinity was not in question. A man wearing a skirt does not mean he has 'some level of trans'.

Trans is a completely different kettle of fish altogether. You should not assume or make up some link between a man in a skirt or dress and their sexuality.

If a man wears a dress what can it mean? It could mean he likes and feels comfortable in the dress and as a piece of clothing is wearing something that millions of men around the world wear. You just aren't used to seeing a man in the dress because you are clearly not very cultured or versed in history
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 20, 2021, 03:28:11 AM
I said lets ignore the culture. We aren't talking about past.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 20, 2021, 03:38:25 AM
I said lets ignore the culture. We aren't talking about past.

It's still worn by these cultures in the present

And why ignore culture reality?

A man wearing a dress is not a sign of some suppressed trans urge. It is not 'weird'. There is a world outside of white America/Europe and Oceania and that world has no problem with men in dresses. I think its only small minded people that find it weird and bothersome. I still dont get how it bothers you or why
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 20, 2021, 03:41:27 AM
I said lets ignore the culture. We aren't talking about past.

It's still worn by these cultures in the present

And why ignore culture reality?

A man wearing a dress is not a sign of some suppressed trans urge. It is not 'weird'. There is a world outside of white America/Europe and Oceania and that world has no problem with men in dresses. I think its only small minded people that find it weird and bothersome. I still dont get how it bothers you or why

Men wearing dresses beacause culture is ok. Men wearing dresses beacause they want to feel feminine isn't okay for me. Simple?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 20, 2021, 03:54:22 AM
I said lets ignore the culture. We aren't talking about past.

It's still worn by these cultures in the present

And why ignore culture reality?

A man wearing a dress is not a sign of some suppressed trans urge. It is not 'weird'. There is a world outside of white America/Europe and Oceania and that world has no problem with men in dresses. I think its only small minded people that find it weird and bothersome. I still dont get how it bothers you or why

Men wearing dresses beacause culture is ok. Men wearing dresses beacause they want to feel feminine isn't okay for me. Simple?

Why does how they feel about themselves bother you? More importantly, why does them doing something that makes them feel good and comfortable bother you? (we aren't talking Wal-Mart fashionistas here to be clear lol)

Culture is what we make. Fashion comes and goes and comes back again. There is no reason men can't be 'fashionable' in a dress. These fake social constructs we adhere to are stupid

My sons favorite colour is pink. Thank god it's not the 80s and 90s anymore because if he continued this favourite colour through his schooling, he'd be in shit by his peers every day. Geez he likes the colour but our society has ascribed a sexuality to it. Ridiculous. Why is blue for boys and pink for girls? There was a period where the opposite was the case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink
Pink was masculine and blue was feminine. Perhaps someday it will be again lol.

Well, in other countries, pink never had any sexuality attached to it. Perhaps they were far more progressive and enlightened than the narrow minded 'West'

Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 20, 2021, 03:57:02 AM
It is fairly simple. It is okay until they start to be feminine and transy. And i can dissagre with something someone enjoys. For example if someone enjoys doing drugs
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 20, 2021, 04:00:27 AM
It is fairly simple. It is okay until they start to be feminine and transy. And i can dissagre with something someone enjoys. For example if someone enjoys doing drugs

If you see them at a restaurant, sitting on a bus, in a movie theatre etc, without knowing them, how do you know the reasons they wear it for you to be bothered by it?

Are you bothered by default at the sight or only if they are friendly and introduce themselves giving a full disclaimer and justification as to why they are wearing what they are wearing
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 20, 2021, 04:02:38 AM
It is fairly simple. It is okay until they start to be feminine and transy. And i can dissagre with something someone enjoys. For example if someone enjoys doing drugs

If you see them at a restaurant, sitting on a bus, in a movie theatre etc, without knowing them, how do you know the reasons they wear it for you to be bothered by it?

Are you bothered by default at the sight or only if they are friendly and introduce themselves giving a full disclaimer and justification as to why they are wearing what they are wearing
Generaly in the west why whoud someone wear dres without wanting to be feminine. And if i were to see young children wearing dress i whoud assume parents were to blame, considering that they don't understand what they are doing (children). Saying "I want to be like mommy" doesn't mean they want to be women or anything
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Pezevenk on March 20, 2021, 04:08:48 AM
I don't understand WHY you mind if someone wants to present more "feminine".
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 20, 2021, 04:10:01 AM
I don't understand WHY you mind if someone wants to present more "feminine".

Beacause it is Trans and it isn't natural and also doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Wolvaccine on March 20, 2021, 04:18:18 AM
I don't understand WHY you mind if someone wants to present more "feminine".

Beacause it is Trans and it isn't natural and also doesn't make any sense.

Complete and utter BS
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 20, 2021, 04:44:21 AM
I don't understand WHY you mind if someone wants to present more "feminine".

Beacause it is Trans and it isn't natural and also doesn't make any sense.

Wanting to present more feminine isn't trans, its just wanting to present more feminine. Do you have an issue with women wanting to present more masculine? Or is just that you think men are failing at being men if they don't present very masculine?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on March 20, 2021, 05:20:28 AM
I don't have issue with dresses as a peice of clothing, but i dissagre with ther meaning. If a man wears a dress what can it mean? (Ignoring culture)
It means that he wants to be feminine, so   he is a trans to some extent. Prehaps he haven't done transition yet, but he is still some level of trans. And i dissage with trans people
And that is nothing more than blatant sexism.
It can simply mean they want to wear a dress, that they are comfortable in it. It does not need to mean they need to want to be feminine or trans.
Thinking that is nothing more than sexism BS.

And again, the whole idea of "feminism" is nothing more than sexist BS.
Just what is wrong with men displacing traits you deem to be feminine?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Jamie on March 20, 2021, 05:57:45 AM
I don't understand WHY you mind if someone wants to present more "feminine".

Because he's a bigot and nothing we say or do to reason him out of his position will work because he didn't reason himself into his position?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 20, 2021, 07:21:43 AM
I don't understand WHY you mind if someone wants to present more "feminine".

Beacause it is Trans and it isn't natural and also doesn't make any sense.

Wanting to present more feminine isn't trans, its just wanting to present more feminine. Do you have an issue with women wanting to present more masculine? Or is just that you think men are failing at being men if they don't present very masculine?

Well somehow my brain has no issue with females wanting to be masculine yet it has with men bieng feminine.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Jamie on March 20, 2021, 09:10:28 AM
Well somehow my brain has no issue with females wanting to be masculine yet it has with men bieng feminine.

So you admit that your position is illogical and baseless?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2021, 09:16:56 AM

Men wearing dresses beacause culture is ok. Men wearing dresses beacause they want to feel feminine isn't okay for me. Simple?

How do you feel about men wearing Hawaiian shirts?
What is the limit to how thin and sheer a man's socks can be
before you beat him up for wearing hosiery ?
Is it OK for a man to shop for home decor at IKEA?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on March 20, 2021, 01:27:19 PM
Well somehow my brain has no issue with females wanting to be masculine yet it has with men bieng feminine.
Likely because you subconsciously think men are better and that women being more masculine is akin to them trying to improve themselves while you see men trying to be feminine as them degrading themselves.

But again, the whole idea of feminine and masculine is outdated sexist BS.
Just what is wrong with men being more feminine?
Do you not like it when a man cooks?
Do you not like it when a man nurtures children or is otherwise caring?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: markjo on March 20, 2021, 01:49:44 PM
I don't understand WHY you mind if someone wants to present more "feminine".

Beacause it is Trans and it isn't natural and also doesn't make any sense.
When you say "trans", are you referring to transvestite, transsexual or transgender?  You do understand that the three terms are not interchangeable, don't you?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 20, 2021, 02:56:11 PM
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Likely because you subconsciously think men are better


How can you say that!

I was raised just by my mother, and i have may female friends. I DO NOT BELIVE MEN ARE BETTER


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Do you not like it when a man cooks?
Do you not like it when a man nurtures children or is otherwise caring?

I have no issue with that
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on March 20, 2021, 03:08:02 PM
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Likely because you subconsciously think men are better

How can you say that!
Because you have no problem with women being masculine (i.e. what you perceive to be like a man) but take issue with men being feminine, (i.e. what you perceive to be like a woman).

If you think they are equal, why should it matter if a man is masculine or feminine?

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Do you not like it when a man cooks?
Do you not like it when a man nurtures children or is otherwise caring?
I have no issue with that
But that is being feminine.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 20, 2021, 03:20:04 PM
Or maybie i have other reasons to belive that, or distorted pictire of what is feminine, but no, no , it must be that I, persion raised by a SINGLE MOTHER since my 7 birthday, am massive sexist
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Pezevenk on March 20, 2021, 03:44:07 PM
What does being raised by your mother have to do with anything? Most people are raised in big part by their mothers...

Either way you have a weird attitude about this stuff and sounds like you have a lot of unexamined biases, but you know, that's a good chance to examine them.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: markjo on March 20, 2021, 03:57:32 PM
Or maybie i have other reasons to belive that, or distorted pictire of what is feminine, but no, no , it must be that I, persion raised by a SINGLE MOTHER since my 7 birthday, am massive sexist
Did she raise you to be masculine, feminine or did she let you decide?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 20, 2021, 04:00:42 PM
Or maybie i have other reasons to belive that, or distorted pictire of what is feminine, but no, no , it must be that I, persion raised by a SINGLE MOTHER since my 7 birthday, am massive sexist
Did she raise you to be masculine, feminine or did she let you decide?

What kind of question is that? And i suppose she raised me masculine. Dude it was Serbian 2010's not American 2020
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on March 20, 2021, 05:28:44 PM
Or maybie i have other reasons to belive that, or distorted pictire of what is feminine, but no, no , it must be that I, persion raised by a SINGLE MOTHER since my 7 birthday, am massive sexist
Being raised by a single mother doesn't intrinsically mean you are not sexist.
But you saying it is inappropriate for a particular sex to do a particular thing is sexist.

Just what is wrong with men being feminine?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 21, 2021, 03:25:43 AM
I don't understand WHY you mind if someone wants to present more "feminine".

Beacause it is Trans and it isn't natural and also doesn't make any sense.

Wanting to present more feminine isn't trans, its just wanting to present more feminine. Do you have an issue with women wanting to present more masculine? Or is just that you think men are failing at being men if they don't present very masculine?

Well somehow my brain has no issue with females wanting to be masculine yet it has with men bieng feminine.

Then you're just a garden variety sexist. Masculine things are coded as better than feminine things, its embedded in society constantly, and you've picked up on that and so you think a man preferring to be more feminine is a lesser man because feminine things are lesser. I don't blame anyone for internalising such a viewpoint growing up in this world, I did too, but now you have a chance to rethink it. 
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Jamie on March 21, 2021, 06:11:14 AM
Or maybie i have other reasons to belive that, or distorted pictire of what is feminine, but no, no , it must be that I, persion raised by a SINGLE MOTHER since my 7 birthday, am massive sexist

That's like saying you can't be racist because your friend is black.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on August 28, 2021, 07:47:40 AM
I just wanted to update you on this topic, if it is not problem. I have changed my views on this massivly. Now i support LGBT people. I did my research and i talked to people who support them irl. Thanks to them i am no longer transophobe and homophobe.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Pezevenk on August 29, 2021, 10:56:11 AM
Hurray I guess!
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on August 29, 2023, 04:48:16 PM
I just wanted to update you on this topic, if it is not problem. I have changed my views on this massivly. Now i support LGBT people. I did my research and i talked to people who support them irl. Thanks to them i am no longer transophobe and homophobe.

Update part 2:

3 out of my top 5 friends are LGBT. One trans, one lesbian and other one Bi. I think i might be demiboy but im not sure
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on August 29, 2023, 05:32:40 PM
I don't understand WHY you mind if someone wants to present more "feminine".

Beacause it is Trans and it isn't natural and also doesn't make any sense.
When you say "trans", are you referring to transvestite, transsexual or transgender?  You do understand that the three terms are not interchangeable, don't you?

Trans predominately refers to transgender.

Transvestite is an older word for crossdresser. And transsexual pretty much only comes into play when we're speaking of surgery.

I used to be trans, but I'm not anymore.

This sounds odd, as the official story is that being trans is an inborn condition. That's a load of crap.

My older brother dressed me in drag at age 6 and again at age 8. At around age 13, I began having feelings like this. I thought I was gay originally, but nope it was pretty much just a kink about pretty clothes. I was actually a crossdresser/genderfluid person, but attending a bunch of LGBT club meetings convinced me that I must be like them. It's the ugly duck syndrome. "Maybe I belong with these swans..." Nope, the transgender group was nothing like me. They had their bodies and want to cut them up. I like girls and pretty clothes. I was mistaken.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: wise on August 29, 2023, 10:23:48 PM
LGBT  is a personality disorder syndrome that global pharaohs try to spread by constantly bringing it up.

Most known celebrities are transgender people. I guess anyone knows that Obama's wife is actually her husband. They are having a homosexual relationship. Today, the prerequisite for being a president, minister, or a famous artist is to have a transgender relationship. Saitan whispers to them, and they have perverse relationships. And then he helps them with money, power and fame.

The LGBT issue has no difference in purpose from vaccine and global warming nonsense. The goal is to destroy the human race. If everyone has a homosexual relationship, then people will not multiply, and the devil will take what he wants. Therefore he tries to spread the LGBT culture. Just like he tried to spread the vegan culture.

Fools will believe him. Intelligent people who do not believe in lies such as the curve earth, global warming and the danger of covid will be aware that LGBT is a psychological problem. Some doctors turn this psychological problem into money and perform surgery on them. Just as they make money by killing people alive for non-existent brain death, or making money by killing people with vaccines, many doctors make money by killing future generations of people.

Doctors who perform gender reassignment surgery should be tried and executed for genocide just like doctors who steal people's organs with the claim of brain death which is actually impossible..
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on August 30, 2023, 12:04:39 PM
I don't understand WHY you mind if someone wants to present more "feminine".

Beacause it is Trans and it isn't natural and also doesn't make any sense.

Wanting to present more feminine isn't trans, its just wanting to present more feminine. Do you have an issue with women wanting to present more masculine? Or is just that you think men are failing at being men if they don't present very masculine?

Well somehow my brain has no issue with females wanting to be masculine yet it has with men bieng feminine.

Oh no no i apologise to anybody who lost braincells reading this
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on September 03, 2023, 03:47:53 PM
The LGBT issue has no difference in purpose from vaccine and global warming nonsense. The goal is to destroy the human race. If everyone has a homosexual relationship, then people will not multiply, and the devil will take what he wants. Therefore he tries to spread the LGBT culture. Just like he tried to spread the vegan culture.
No one is trying to force everyone to be gay.
So you aren't going to have everyone be in a homosexual relationship.
Do you feel the same way about people who choose to not have children?
What about the people who are infertile? Do you blame God for them and think God is evil because of that?

Also, you should be happy if the devil gets what he wants. He is the good one of the Abrahamic deities. God is a complete POS.

Fools will believe him. Intelligent people who do not believe in lies such as the curve earth, global warming and the danger of covid
You seem to have mixed up fools with intelligent people, and are confused about what lies are.

Intelligent people accept the reality of a round Earth, anthropogenic climate change, and the danger of viruses like COVID.
Fools reject all that because they can't handle reality or aren't smart enough to not get conned by those lying about reality for a variety of reasons.

Doctors who perform gender reassignment surgery should be tried and executed for genocide just like doctors who steal people's organs with the claim of brain death which is actually impossible..
Why?
Do you feel the same way about people who perform tattoos?
Or those who mutilate genitals such as by cutting off the foreskin?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Tom Bishop on September 03, 2023, 09:35:23 PM
I used to be trans, but I'm not anymore.

Do trans people in general even think that men dressing up as women is attractive and super hot?
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: BudgetWormhole on September 24, 2023, 05:09:27 AM
LGBT  is a personality disorder syndrome

Most known celebrities are transgender

Some doctors turn this psychological problem into money and perform surgery on them.

That isn't how homosexuality is defined by any medical or psychological standard.

And that most known celebrities are transgender is just patently false.

I don't find it compelling that surgeons offer surgical solutions for health-related problems. Yes, that is what they do.
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on October 06, 2023, 05:38:02 PM
No, i am okay with gays who just like men. I am not okay with ones who cit ther dick off and wear dresses. I helive there is something a little off in ther head.
Are you fine with the loads of people who cut their dicks, or cut the dicks of young children?
What about people that cut (or stab) their ear?
Just what is wrong with men wanting to wear dresses?
You are aware that in the past plenty of men have worn dresses or clothes like dresses?

Nobody is cutting off little childrens' dicks.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on October 06, 2023, 05:41:08 PM
I think I'm the only gay guy on these forums.

Not anymore, lol. I'm gay.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on October 06, 2023, 06:01:58 PM
LGBT  is a personality disorder syndrome that global pharaohs try to spread by constantly bringing it up.

Being gay or trans is no more a personality disorder than being straight or cis. I'm gay and I like to think I mentally function just as well as any straight guy.
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Most known celebrities are transgender people. I guess anyone knows that Obama's wife is actually her husband. They are having a homosexual relationship. Today, the prerequisite for being a president, minister, or a famous artist is to have a transgender relationship. Saitan whispers to them, and they have perverse relationships. And then he helps them with money, power and fame.

You say that being gay is a personality disorder but then proclaim most celebrities are trans?

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The LGBT issue has no difference in purpose from vaccine and global warming nonsense. The goal is to destroy the human race. If everyone has a homosexual relationship, then people will not multiply, and the devil will take what he wants. Therefore he tries to spread the LGBT culture. Just like he tried to spread the vegan culture.

Nobody is trying to turn you gay. People like me simply want to exist without you guys oppressing us. I say this as a former homophobe myself.
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Fools will believe him. Intelligent people who do not believe in lies such as the curve earth, global warming and the danger of covid will be aware that LGBT is a psychological problem. Some doctors turn this psychological problem into money and perform surgery on them. Just as they make money by killing people alive for non-existent brain death, or making money by killing people with vaccines, many doctors make money by killing future generations of people.

Doctors who perform gender reassignment surgery should be tried and executed for genocide just like doctors who steal people's organs with the claim of brain death which is actually impossible..

Trans people only account for 1% of the US population. Hardly a population killer.
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: JackBlack on October 07, 2023, 01:47:09 AM
Nobody is cutting off little childrens' dicks.
I never said they were.
I was appealing to those who cut the dicks of little children.
i.e. those practicing infant genital mutilation, commonly referred to as circumcision.

Being gay or trans is no more a personality disorder than being straight or cis. I'm gay and I like to think I mentally function just as well as any straight guy.
While I fully agree regarding homosexuality; as that is merely a statement of who you are biologically attracted to, there is a fundamental distinction for cis and trans; one is the same, one is the opposite.
A cisgender person has their "gender identity" align to their biological sex.
A transgender person has their "gender identity" not align to their biological sex.

Prior to DSM 5, that was classified a gender identity disorder, signifying a mismatch between the person's sex, and how that person perceives themselves.
It was updated to gender dysphoria, for entirely non-medical reasons, but is still listed in the DSM-5, and is a diagnosis/condition.

Being homosexual, or heterosexual or bisexual or cisgender are not included in the DSM-5.
So there is a clear odd one out.
Title: Re: Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on October 07, 2023, 10:03:38 PM
Nobody is cutting off little childrens' dicks.
I never said they were.
I was appealing to those who cut the dicks of little children.
i.e. those practicing infant genital mutilation, commonly referred to as circumcision.

Being gay or trans is no more a personality disorder than being straight or cis. I'm gay and I like to think I mentally function just as well as any straight guy.
While I fully agree regarding homosexuality; as that is merely a statement of who you are biologically attracted to, there is a fundamental distinction for cis and trans; one is the same, one is the opposite.
A cisgender person has their "gender identity" align to their biological sex.
A transgender person has their "gender identity" not align to their biological sex.

Prior to DSM 5, that was classified a gender identity disorder, signifying a mismatch between the person's sex, and how that person perceives themselves.
It was updated to gender dysphoria, for entirely non-medical reasons, but is still listed in the DSM-5, and is a diagnosis/condition.

Being homosexual, or heterosexual or bisexual or cisgender are not included in the DSM-5.
So there is a clear odd one out.

Ok, my mistake.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 17, 2023, 06:51:41 AM


Being gay or trans is no more a personality disorder than being straight or cis. I'm gay and I like to think I mentally function just as well as any straight guy.

You say that being gay is a personality disorder but then proclaim most celebrities are trans?

We humans make choices. To make a choice to sterilize yourself is to have dysmorphia (not to be confused with dysphoria, dysmorphia is hatred of the body that is often found on ppl who do repeated surgeries; ask Michae Jackson how that turned out). As for the celebrities, they play around with gender because they are big globalists and setting an anti-life example. Not due to the aforementioned dysmorphia.

Nobody is trying to turn you gay. People like me simply want to exist without you guys oppressing us. I say this as a former homophobe myself.

On the contrary, the slogan used to be "we're here, we're queer, get used to it" but now I've heard it's "we're here, we're queer, and we're coming for your children". And indeed they are, at an early age, long before children should make such choices (no informed consent is a big sore point for me), they are exposed to gay lifesytyles. Sex ed no longer teaches procreation, but instead teaches kinks and lifestyles that dead-end the human race. Those who get ideas from such classes walk away thinking they should cure female puberty. If at age 14, you want to transition, this is one thing. At age 4 or 6, you should not be told that you might be a girl or boy by social media.

Trans people only account for 1% of the US population. Hardly a population killer.

Actually there's a problem of contagion. That is, people with gay or trans friends seem to be copying their friends. The idea that these things are inborn is garbage. Nature and nurture are a thing. We have a fundamental self that isn't affected by nurture (an experiment to prove that you could make someone transgender led to a suicide, once the kid found out) but there is also a great deal that is subject to nurture (from my own experiences). In other words, it is nature that decides how one reacts to nurture. This kid in the experiment killed himself. I simply rejected the surgery when I discovered it could sterilize me.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on October 17, 2023, 02:51:48 PM
they play around with gender because they are big globalists and setting an anti-life example.
Why must you continue to pedal this dishonest BS?
Them "playing around with gender" has nothing at all to do with the shape of Earth.

On the contrary, the slogan used to be "we're here, we're queer, get used to it" but now I've heard it's "we're here, we're queer, and we're coming for your children".
No, that is the "slogan" used by horrible, homophobic scum to try to villainise homosexuals.
To mock those homophobes, they will occasionally say things like that during the pride marches, but that is NOT the slogan of the queer movement.

And indeed they are, at an early age, long before children should make such choices (no informed consent is a big sore point for me), they are exposed to gay lifesytyles.
Would you rather that they are entirely kept in the dark about sex until they are adults?
How do you expect them to deal with parents?

Or is it only "gay lifestyles" you oppose and think it should be fine to expose them to "heterosexual lifestyles"?

Sex ed no longer teaches procreation
Pure BS. Of course it still teaches that.

Those who get ideas from such classes walk away thinking they should cure female puberty.
Wrong again.
Those who get ideas from such classes walk away with acceptance.
What you want is for those ideas to be shunned so people feel bad about themselves.

Actually there's a problem of contagion. That is, people with gay or trans friends seem to be copying their friends.
No.
Those who are gay or trans want to find people who accept them.
As society accepts something more, people are more willing to be open about it and less likely to try to hide it or kill themselves because of it.

Societies acceptance of homosexuality didn't turn people gay, it just made people more willing to be open about it.

The idea that these things are inborn is garbage. Nature and nurture are a thing.
Great job contradicting yourself.
Yes, nature AND nature are things.
Some things are dictated by nature. Some are by nurture. And some by both.

We have a fundamental self that isn't affected by nurture (an experiment to prove that you could make someone transgender led to a suicide, once the kid found out)
Which further demonstrates this is nature, not nurture.
If it was nurture, and people only become gay/trans because of nurture, then this experiment would have been a success.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 18, 2023, 07:36:46 AM
Globalism is a whole system of beliefs and behaviors.
Environmental - Climate is definitely changing due to manmade factors, and we can only stop it by embracing technocratic control over everything using smart devices, and forcing ppl to switch to electric vehicles by 2050.
Religion - All religion is bad. But we mustn't offend Islam
Medical - #thepandemicisreal #maskup #vaxxup #gettheRFIDchip
Sexuality - Gays are born that way. So are trans people. It's abuse to ask them to figure out if they really are trans and not something else.
And So On...
All of this systems are a subset of the globalist plan to wipe out the human race. Human beings btw cannot stand on a globe, so the very idea of globalism is toxic to their existence. You know why globalists talk about saving "the planet" but never "saving Earth"? It's because they are not Earthlings. They are visitors from another dimension.

In actuality, as I discovered during a brief stint in prostitution, despite liking girls, it's somewhat easy to talk yourself into having anal sex with another guy. And as for trans, I was able to make a decision that I was not trans, pueely on economic motives. Nothing inborn about this! Does conversion therapy fail? Yes!!! It fails for the same reason that forcing people to have Windows 10 failed (still on Windows 8.1) or forcing ppl to vaxx up failed. Human beings do not respond well to other humans choosing for them. If I wanted to stop being genderfluid, this is emtirely different from someone else trying to MAKE me not that way. Yes, being gay is a choice. No, curing people against their will is not an expression of that choice.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Space Cowgirl on October 18, 2023, 07:49:28 AM
Globalism isn't the same as globularism!
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 18, 2023, 07:57:55 AM
I think it's like the relationship that I first learned in math class. X is always Y, but Y is not always X.

Globularism to the best of my understanding, is that belief that Earth is globular. Globalism is the set of assumptions and behaviors above.

Globalists are generally also globularists, but not all globularists support the globalist agenda.

Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Space Cowgirl on October 18, 2023, 08:07:41 AM
Exactly!
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on October 18, 2023, 02:39:54 PM
Globalism is a whole system of beliefs and behaviors.
No, it isn't.
What you hate is that people accept Earth is round.
People can accept that Earth is round with or without accepting anthropogenic climate change.
People can accept that Earth is round with or without accepting that CO2 is a greenhouse ga.
People can accept that Earth is round and believe or not believe that we should help other countries.
People can accept that Earth is round and either support or oppose (or even be neutral) towards homosexuality and bisexuality.
People can accept that Earth is round and cherry pick parts of a religion to follow, or reject religion.
And so on.

But because of how much you hate the RE, you need to project everything else you hate onto it to pretend it is bad.
It is not.

Globalism is more about being a global citizen, i.e. caring about others.
But you can still be a globalist and reject climate change.
You can still be a globalist and think homosexuality is a sin worthy of death.
You can even be classified as a globalist, while thinking Earth is flat. As the globalist idea doesn't need Earth to be a globe. It is just called that because Earth roughly is a globe.

You know why globalists talk about saving "the planet" but never "saving Earth"? It's because they are not Earthlings. They are visitors from another dimension.
Because it is environmentalists talking about saving Earth/the planet.

Your argument also makes no sense.
People say "the planet" because currently it is the only one we have.
So "Earth", "the Earth" and "the planet" all mean the same thing.
If they were not from Earth and instead were from some other planet, then "the planet" raises the question of which planet? Are they talking about Earth or Mars or Jupiter?

And as for trans, I was able to make a decision that I was not trans, pueely on economic motives. Nothing inborn about this!
If there was nothing inborn about it, why did you even consider it?
I have never even considered if I was trans.
It sounds more like you internalised your issues because you couldn't afford surgery.
But not too long ago you claimed you decided because you didn't want to be sterilised.
You can't even keep your story straight.

Yes, being gay is a choice. No, curing people against their will is not an expression of that choice.
No, it isn't. You being able to be talked into anal sex, does not make being gay a choice. You cannot choose who you are attracted to.
What is the choice is what activities you choose to engage in.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Space Cowgirl on October 18, 2023, 04:07:57 PM
That's exactly what an alien would say.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 19, 2023, 06:32:19 AM

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People say "the planet" because currently it is the only one we have.
So "Earth", "the Earth" and "the planet" all mean the same thing.
If they were not from Earth and instead were from some other planet, then "the planet" raises the question of which planet? Are they talking about Earth or Mars or Jupiter?

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That's exactly what an alien would say.

Damn straight!

Which brings us to a very good point.
Some of the people I saw, back when I attended Pridefest legit looked like space aliens. They were modified to thepoint of being sexless, they had weird hair or clothes, and they seemed to be pushing a lifestyle that wasn't normal to human.
(https://readmylist.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/gay-pride-parade-new-york-2009-140-4305x3279.jpg)
(https://s.hdnux.com/photos/47/67/72/10452615/3/1200x0.jpg)
Space aliens in their native outfits.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Space Cowgirl on October 19, 2023, 06:46:31 AM
The worms will live in every host
It's hard to pick which one they eat the most
The crayon people, the crayon people
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JimmyTheLobster on October 19, 2023, 09:05:51 AM
I think it's like the relationship that I first learned in math class. X is always Y, but Y is not always X.
Sounds like an interesting maths class.

And yes, it is maths with an s.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on October 19, 2023, 01:06:59 PM
Some of the people I saw, back when I attended Pridefest legit looked like space aliens. They were modified to thepoint of being sexless, they had weird hair or clothes, and they seemed to be pushing a lifestyle that wasn't normal to human.
Congrats on failing to understand marketting.
See that hat? It is meant to be the tip of a crayon.
See the tie?
See how it says "Crayola"?
Guess what Crayola makes?
Crayons.
(https://shop.crayola.com/dw/image/v2/AALB_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-crayola-storefront/default/dwc8f900db/images/52-0116-0-200_Colors-of-Kindness-Crayons_24ct_H1.jpg?sw=1200&sh=1500&sm=fit&sfrm=jpg)

They are a walking ad.

As for the painting in colour, so what? That is to celebrate diversity.
Putting on some body paint to show a bunch of colours doesn't make you look like an alien.

And yes, it is maths with an s.
Depends where you are from.
In some places it is math. In others it is maths.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JimmyTheLobster on October 19, 2023, 01:41:55 PM
In some places it is math. In others it is maths.
Yes, I'm aware you yanks get it wrong.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on October 19, 2023, 01:56:31 PM
In some places it is math. In others it is maths.
Yes, I'm aware you yanks get it wrong.
I'm not a yank. And different doesn't mean wrong.
If you want to object to it then call it mathematics.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 22, 2023, 07:53:38 PM
Some of the people I saw, back when I attended Pridefest legit looked like space aliens. They were modified to thepoint of being sexless, they had weird hair or clothes, and they seemed to be pushing a lifestyle that wasn't normal to human.
Congrats on failing to understand marketting.
See that hat? It is meant to be the tip of a crayon.
See the tie?
See how it says "Crayola"?
Guess what Crayola makes?
Crayons.
(https://shop.crayola.com/dw/image/v2/AALB_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-crayola-storefront/default/dwc8f900db/images/52-0116-0-200_Colors-of-Kindness-Crayons_24ct_H1.jpg?sw=1200&sh=1500&sm=fit&sfrm=jpg)

They are a walking ad.

As for the painting in colour, so what? That is to celebrate diversity.
Putting on some body paint to show a bunch of colours doesn't make you look like an alien.


So like, I took marketing class. I also had an older brother teach me about supply and demand when I was in 4th grade or so. I sorta kinda understand marketing. It makes sense.

You know what doesn't make sense? Grown adults identifying as Crayola.

And I'm a grown adult who wears dresses and heels on occasion.

People aren't advertisements. At least, not usually.
https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Truth_and_Advertising
This is literally dehumanization. This is literally people induced to be something other than human.

You're confusing marketing for shilling.


Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on October 23, 2023, 12:59:34 AM
So like, I took marketing class. I also had an older brother teach me about supply and demand when I was in 4th grade or so. I sorta kinda understand marketing. It makes sense.
Yet you entirely failed to identify people dressed up to look like a crayon, for advertising. Instead claiming that they are dressed up as aliens.

You know what doesn't make sense? Grown adults identifying as Crayola.
They aren't.
They are a walking ad.
Do you think mascots for football games identify as whatever the mascot is?
No.

You can dress up as something without identifying as it.

You're confusing marketing for shilling.
No, you are just coming up with whatever delusional BS you can to pretend there is an issue.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 24, 2023, 06:20:16 PM

No, you are just coming up with whatever delusional BS you can to pretend there is an issue.

No, you are using the phrase "delusional BS" over and over again in hopes that'll I'll believe it.

But I don't do the great lie. The fact is, you are delusional, and a walking mass of BS.

The literal dictionary difference between advertising and shilling is rather clear. Shilling is advertising plus dishonesty, either in the part of the product (not selling what we think they are selling) or in the part of the advertiser (e.g. pretending to be customers or even the opposition).

Are they trying to sell Crayolas? No? Then are they being honest about what it is they are actually selling? No? Then they are shilling.

What part of this is delusional?

So, if this is a shill, what are they really selling?

Don't you think "My body, my choice" ought to mean you get a say in your sex life, instead of getting talked into a procedure that leaves you impotent (had I gone ahead with my "sex change", I would have massively regretted it) or telling you that you were born gay? Or convincing you that being asexual is not a choice that you can change if you love someone enough? I was convinced for years by the left that I was "really" transgender. No, sorry, I'm in the nonbinary genderfluid category. And I like women. And I like children, even though there are certain things I'm not mature enough to cope with (one of them is being a breadwinner). You people, you tried to take that choice away from me with your delusions and your BS.

Space aliens gonna dress like space aliens, but they shouldn't be teaching the Earth their nonsense. Human beings can be anything they want. Lesbian/straight/asexual/transgender/etc. You know what humans can't be? They are not set in stone.  We are not dwarves. We're not supposed to be hard-wired to things.

(https://fnbgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Dwarves_7s.jpg)
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on October 25, 2023, 01:29:46 AM

So, you got to run around as the “finger pointing postmodernist’s rights revoking flocks” latest cause for a while, believing the glare of their spotlight was benign and heartfelt and not the latest cause to pedestal and weaponise, and now you are bitching about the injustice.

Do not involve yourself with these people, if you find whatever community or niche you are part of becomes the beneficiary of their largesse for even a moment, run or just tell them to fuck off.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on October 25, 2023, 03:17:44 AM
No, you are using the phrase "delusional BS" over and over again in hopes that'll I'll believe it.
No, I'm calling out your dishonesty.

But I don't do the great lie.
Sure you do, repeatedly.
The question is why?

Are they trying to sell Crayolas?
Yes.

Don't you think "My body, my choice" ought to mean you get a say in your sex life, instead of getting talked into a procedure that leaves you impotent (had I gone ahead with my "sex change", I would have massively regretted it) or telling you that you were born gay? Or convincing you that being asexual is not a choice that you can change if you love someone enough? I was convinced for years by the left that I was "really" transgender. No, sorry, I'm in the nonbinary genderfluid category. And I like women. And I like children, even though there are certain things I'm not mature enough to cope with (one of them is being a breadwinner).
No.
"My body, my choice" means an individual gets to choose what happens to their body.
If they want to undergo a procedure that leaves them sterile, that is their choice to make.
People are free to give arguments for and against.

If you don't think people should be allowed to give arguments that might "talk people into something" then you shouldn't be here saying anything to oppose it, as that could change their mind.
If you are saying people shouldn't be allowed to do things that harm them (in your opinion) then you want a nanny state. Would you also ban vasectomies?

You people, you tried to take that choice away from me with your delusions and your BS.
How did anyone try to take the choice away from you?
Did they force you to do anything? No.
Did they try to force you? No.
They just said things to you.
That is no more taking away the choice than you here opposing it.

So if you truly think that is taking away the choice then you are doing the very thing you accuse others of.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 15, 2023, 04:39:45 PM
No, you are using the phrase "delusional BS" over and over again in hopes that'll I'll believe it.
No, I'm calling out your dishonesty.

No, you're dishonestly calling someone dishonest who is in the paycheck of nobody. Now, where is your paycheck?

Do you perhaps work for this guy?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/George_Soros_-_Festival_Economia_2018_1.jpg/220px-George_Soros_-_Festival_Economia_2018_1.jpg)

Or maybe these people?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Logo_of_N_M_Rothschild_%26_Sons.gif)

I work for nobody. Literally. I haven't had wages in years.

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But I don't do the great lie.
Sure you do, repeatedly.
The question is why?

The great lie is "if you tell (whatever) enough times, people believe it." And indeed this is true of Flat Earth theory, moon landing, COVID-19, climate change, and so on. When COVID-19 was first in the news, it was literally everywhere. This is immediately how I knew this was fake.



A great lie depends on people buying that if something is everywhere, it must be real.  Everyone has seen it, so it must be a thing. Yes, but I'm not everyone. 

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Are they trying to sell Crayolas?
Yes.
  No. They are shilling for Deep State.

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Don't you think "My body, my choice" ought to mean you get a say in your sex life, instead of getting talked into a procedure that leaves you impotent (had I gone ahead with my "sex change", I would have massively regretted it) or telling you that you were born gay? Or convincing you that being asexual is not a choice that you can change if you love someone enough? I was convinced for years by the left that I was "really" transgender. No, sorry, I'm in the nonbinary genderfluid category. And I like women. And I like children, even though there are certain things I'm not mature enough to cope with (one of them is being a breadwinner).
No.
"My body, my choice" means an individual gets to choose what happens to their body.
If they want to undergo a procedure that leaves them sterile, that is their choice to make.
People are free to give arguments for and against.

Does it though? Because from what I've seen, it's more like "My body, my boyfriend's choice."

Quote from:  Mike Huckabee
We need to talk about the fact that we're not against women. We recognize that an abortion has two victims, two victims, obviously, the unborn child. And the other victim is the woman who's the birth mother who probably got talked into the abortion by a boyfriend, a friend, a mother, a grandmother, maybe a father.

This isn't just some politician's opinion though. This is an actual observation of what women have said.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/woman-pressured-abortion-baby-beating-heart/

https://www.stopforcedabortions.org/

Or in some cases, men don't seem to use force.  They turn on the charm, telling then they'll help pay for the procedure. Then after that, they are gone.

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If you don't think people should be allowed to give arguments that might "talk people into something" then you shouldn't be here saying anything to oppose it, as that could change their mind.
If you are saying people shouldn't be allowed to do things that harm them (in your opinion) then you want a nanny state. Would you also ban vasectomies?

Allowing people to make choices means giving people enough information to make their own decisions. You would rather they be misinformed. How is that different from calling a person who invested in a solar power scheme a savior of the environment (despite his solar farms bulldozing an entire forest, then dumping the panels when they no longer work) while calling an investor in oil/gas a polluting scoundrel (even though he carefully makes his pipelines as close to zero impact as possible, and plants forests around where he dug said pipelines).

If you do not understand the facts, other people have just made your decisions for you. And if you lie to people about the facts, you are trying to get them to make decisions based on false information.  Are you really letting them make choices? No.

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You people, you tried to take that choice away from me with your delusions and your BS.
How did anyone try to take the choice away from you?
Did they force you to do anything? No.
Did they try to force you? No.
They just said things to you.
That is no more taking away the choice than you here opposing it.

See the paragraph above. You don't give people information, they think they only have two choices: go along with conversion therapy or have a sex change. Wasn't it reddit or tinder or something that proposed there are 72 genders? Damned straight there are other options than sterilizing yourself!

Or in the case of abortion, given very limited info, they think they have to raise the child or have the abortion. Adoption is an option. One that unfortunately is seldom brought up in current movies anymore because it seems unmotherly for the pro-life crowd to talk of abandoning children, and the abortion crowd wants people to think that adoption is the same as foster care. Have you told us that the birth control pill causes severe pain, and vomiting? Have you told us that abortion clinics often aren't very sanitary, and that women are sometimes left sterile or dead? No? Then by lying to us, you are trying to affect our ability to make informed choices. If knowledge is power, if it gives power to choose, then telling people lies is an attempt to control their choices. This is what I oppose.

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So if you truly think that is taking away the choice then you are doing the very thing you accuse others of.

Without information, how can you be said to have a choice?

Suppose there was food within 2 miles of you, if you just walk north.  But I don't tell you that. Instead, I tell you that this bowl of food is poisoned. And you can either eat that, or you can starve. Have I given you real choices? Or did I give two false choices that will lead to your death? I also didn't tell you that the bag of seeds you have in your pocket can be planted (explaining how deep and how far apart to plant).
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Themightykabool on November 15, 2023, 06:28:38 PM
Take that same choice and pply it to your nonsense arguments of motor vehicles.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JackBlack on November 16, 2023, 01:19:00 AM
No, you're dishonestly calling someone dishonest who is in the paycheck of nobody. Now, where is your paycheck?
Do you perhaps work for this guy?
No, I'm honestly calling YOU dishonest.
Someone so dishonest that they invent fantasies of anyone who objects to their delusional BS as being a paid shill.
Someone so dishonest that they need to repeatedly lie and deflect from simple issues.

You not being paid for someone doesn't mean you wont lie.
They are plenty of reasons people lie.
Some lie because they can't handle reality, and use those lies to try to escape and shield themselves in a fantasy.
Some lie because they have been brainwashed so hard, they don't know what the truth is, and when presented with evidence that shows they are wrong, their cognitive dissonance makes them lie to escape.
Some lie because they make money off it without working for someone (either from ads from views, or selling crap to their sheep).
Some lie because they are pathetic, low life, trolls.

And I'm sure there are plenty of others reasons.

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The great lie is "if you tell (whatever) enough times, people believe it." And indeed this is true of Flat Earth theory, moon landing, COVID-19, climate change, and so on.
It is certainly true of the FE BS.
FEers (including you) continually repeat the same refuted BS in the hopes of having people believe it.
But it doesn't work.
Similarly, those who want to boldly proclaim the moon landing was faked, COVID 19 isn't real, humans don't cause climate change, and so on; all repeat the same pathetic, refuted lies in the hopes of having people believe.

An honest look at the evidence shows they are wrong.
You are so dishonest, you felt the need to lie about people dressed up as crayons, who even had the brand written on them.

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When COVID-19 was first in the news, it was literally everywhere. This is immediately how I knew this was fake.
Which is just more delusional BS.

Something being widely reported in the news doesn't make it fake.
Are you saying 9-11 was fake and plane didn't fly into buildings?
Because that is the level of stupidity you are displaying now.
What about Ukraine? That was all over the news.
Does that mean Russia didn't launch an attack?

If something is significantly newsworthy it is reported quite widely.
That does not make it fake.

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No. They are shilling for Deep State.
And more delusional BS.
So you think people dressed up as crayons, with the Crayola brand on them, are magically shilling for the "deep state" rather than the far more likely option of increasing the brand image of Crayola and trying to sell their products?

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Does it though?
Yes, it does.
Unlike your delusional BS of anyone who disagrees with you commenting magically making it forcing.

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abortion
And yet again you massively jump topic.
Why not stick to what you were talking about before?

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Allowing people to make choices means giving people enough information to make their own decisions. You would rather they be misinformed.
And more lies.
I am all for them being informed, which means hearing from people, including people you disagree with.
I never said anything like that. The closest I got to that was pointing out your hypocrisy where you are doing the very thing you claim is taking away people's choice.

But you seem to think that people talking about it, presenting an opinion you don't agree with, is magically forcing them.
This just further demonstrates your dishonesty.

You either allow BOTH sides to talk, or you silence both side.
It is an incredibly dishonest double standard to say you want people to be informed to allow you to spout your opinion, but then call other people giving a contrary opinion as forcing people and taking away their choice.

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If you do not understand the facts, other people have just made your decisions for you. And if you lie to people about the facts, you are trying to get them to make decisions based on false information.  Are you really letting them make choices? No.
Again, describing what you do quite well. Blatantly lying to people about the facts and acting like you don't understand the facts at all.

If you don't understand the facts you have a CHOICE to go and find out more information.
If one side is providing information, you have a CHOICE to go and look for other sources.
If you CHOOSE to not do those and instead CHOOSE to make a decision based upon the limited and potentially incorrect information, then you still made a choice.
Ignorance doesn't mean you didn't make a choice, especially when that ignorance is wilful.

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See the paragraph above. You don't give people information, they think they only have two choices: go along with conversion therapy or have a sex change. Wasn't it reddit or tinder or something that proposed there are 72 genders? Damned straight there are other options than sterilizing yourself!
You are proof that your claim is BS.
You claim to have been forced into a decision that you didn't do.
Personally, I would advocate for doing away with all this BS about gender and sticking to sex as based upon reproduction and not letting it define you.

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Or in the case of abortion, given very limited info, they think they have to raise the child or have the abortion. Adoption is an option. One that unfortunately is seldom brought up in current movies anymore because it seems unmotherly for the pro-life crowd to talk of abandoning children
And because of how crap the current system is, with loads of children waiting for adoption.
If you aren't willing to a raise a child, you should not be bringing it into the world.
As for pro-life, BS. They are anti-choice. They are some of the people that care the least about life, happy to have people suffer through poverty, die of starvation, execute them for not believing the right things and so on.

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Have you told us that the birth control pill causes severe pain, and vomiting?
Don't forget blood clots.
But if you have a decent doctor, yes.

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Have you told us that abortion clinics often aren't very sanitary, and that women are sometimes left sterile or dead?
As opposed to pregnancies, which never have any complications and where childbirth always occurs in perfectly sanitary environments. /sarcasm
Who is there telling these women all the problems that come with pregnancies?
That it could kill them, that it could leave them infertile, that it could cause serious trauma, including life long trauma, that they could potentially be traumatised for the rest of their life, that it could be the biggest mistake of their life?
Once again you want to present a heavily one sided opinion, and even link to such crap, while entirely ignoring the other side.

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Then by lying to us, you are trying to affect our ability to make informed choices.
Not telling you everything, like what an abortion clinic looks like in a shithole location that criminalises abortion, is not lying.

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If knowledge is power, if it gives power to choose, then telling people lies is an attempt to control their choices. This is what I oppose.
No, you oppose people saying things you don't agree with.
You dismiss them as lies.
Meanwhile you are happy to blatantly lie to everyone to promote your delusional BS.

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So if you truly think that is taking away the choice then you are doing the very thing you accuse others of.
Without information, how can you be said to have a choice?
Suppose there was food within 2 miles of you, if you just walk north.  But I don't tell you that. Instead, I tell you that this bowl of food is poisoned. And you can either eat that, or you can starve.
That does seem to match what you do quite well.
You lie to people, rather than tell them the truth.
So again, you are doing the very thing you accuse other people of.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: JJA on December 13, 2023, 05:02:42 PM
Do you perhaps work for this guy?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/George_Soros_-_Festival_Economia_2018_1.jpg/220px-George_Soros_-_Festival_Economia_2018_1.jpg)

Or maybe these people?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Logo_of_N_M_Rothschild_%26_Sons.gif)

Yes, you're totally not racist. Or antisemitic. You just hate black fish girls and think Jews are behind everything.

Right.
Title: Re: An LGBT Discussion Thread
Post by: Code-Beta1234 on March 28, 2024, 01:39:31 PM
Heh. Some of my most important friends are gay. One of my best is Trans FTM. My girlfriend is bisexual (was lesbian when we met) . I cannot believe what i said here few years ago. Had to stop reading pretty fast.