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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: FlatAssembler on August 27, 2020, 08:56:40 AM
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So, what do you guys think, is Vladimir Putin a real person, is this the real name of the president of Russia? I mean, focus on the name "Vladimir". Is that likely really his name? Or is it more likely a codename meaning "ruler of the world" or "peaceful ruler"? I know "voldĕti" is Slavic for "to rule" (and the change from ol+consonant to la+consonant is fairly typical of Slavic languages, it's called metathesis of liquids) and that "mirŭ" can mean both "peace" and "world", and such a name for a most powerful person in the world seems very ironic.
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No.
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Is FlatAssembler a real person? I mean, look at his name "FlatAssembler".
It's a combination of Flat Ass and "embler".
And embler isn't even a real word. Why would a real person have a fake word in their name? Clear evidence they are not real.
Asses are never flat, there is always a curve since humans are three dimensional. Yet even more suspicious, as it indicates a two dimensional being as only they can have a truly flat ass.
Ironic.
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Is FlatAssembler a real person? I mean, look at his name "FlatAssembler".
It's a combination of Flat Ass and "embler".
And embler isn't even a real word. Why would a real person have a fake word in their name? Clear evidence they are not real.
Asses are never flat, there is always a curve since humans are three dimensional. Yet even more suspicious, as it indicates a two dimensional being as only they can have a truly flat ass.
Ironic.
Well, I am not claiming FlatAssembler is my real name, and the president of Russia does claim Vladimir Putin is his real name.
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Why would he make up a name?
And if he made up a name and used it for a long time, wouldn't that make it his?
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And if he were to make up a name then why "vladamir putin"?
It says dangerously close to "Count Fart".
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What's in a name? That which we call a dictator by any other name would rule as complete.
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I won't believe he's really Vladimir Putin until he shows us his long form birth certificate!
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Well, Russian leaders seem to like changing their names, like Lenin, who's real name was Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, or Stalin, named Ioseb Besarionis dzе Jugashvili at birth. Maybe Putin did change his name at some point, being an ex-KGB it would make sense to protect his real family. Putin could very well be a fabricated identity.
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And don't forget, Prince changed his name to this:
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/lOXs8GfhRLO-GyfBZpQK7UQsZjs=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6372019/princesymbol.png)
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I won't believe he's really Vladimir Putin until he shows us his long form birth certificate!
I'm sure that he would be glad to show you his long form birth certificate, and any other documentation that you would care to see, over a nice hot cup of tea.
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The chat bot returns with an even dumber question
They say the only stupid question us the one you don't ask
FlatAssembler broke that addage
FlatAssembler doesn't do anything BUT ask stupid questions
Vlad is real. FlatAss is not.
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Clearly having a very common Slavic name means he doesn't exist.
Or maybe FlatAssembler wanted some attention.
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I won't believe he's really Vladimir Putin until he shows us his long form birth certificate!
I'm sure that he would be glad to show you his long form birth certificate, and any other documentation that you would care to see, over a nice hot cup of tea.
LOL. I hear Putin's tea is something to die for!
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Clearly having a very common Slavic name means he doesn't exist.
Or maybe FlatAssembler wanted some attention.
How do you know it's a very common Slavic name? Do you know somebody named "Vladimir"? I don't know anybody named "Vladimir". I have only heard of a now-deceased Croatian writer "Vladimir Nazor".
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Clearly having a very common Slavic name means he doesn't exist.
Or maybe FlatAssembler wanted some attention.
How do you know it's a very common Slavic name? Do you know somebody named "Vladimir"? I don't know anybody named "Vladimir". I have only heard of a now-deceased Croatian writer "Vladimir Nazor".
Once again, Google is your friend. You could answer these questions yourself if you tried. I don't understand why you seem incapable of doing any research and just seem baffled by anything new.
So you just declare that Vladimir isn't a common name because you don't know anyone named that. Brilliant.
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Clearly having a very common Slavic name means he doesn't exist.
Or maybe FlatAssembler wanted some attention.
How do you know it's a very common Slavic name? Do you know somebody named "Vladimir"? I don't know anybody named "Vladimir". I have only heard of a now-deceased Croatian writer "Vladimir Nazor".
So, you've heard of him, but not one of the most famous Russian writers ever, Vladimir Nabokov? I guess you're going to tell me he doesn't exist now.
Anyway, here's a load more
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Vladimir (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Vladimir)
or how about the Romanian version
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad)
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So you just declare that Vladimir isn't a common name because you don't know anyone named that.
Listen, I live in Croatia, and I can safely tell you that name isn't common here.
The names Miroslav (one who praises peace), Zvonimir (the bell of peace) and Vladislav (famous ruler) are relatively common (I know one person for each of those names), but Vladimir isn't.
Names such as Tomislav (I don't know what that means, but I am quite sure it's a Slavic name), Darko (little gift), Zdravko (the healthy one) or Željko (the wishful one) are way more common. But much more common are the names such as Ivan, Luka, Marko, Kristijan, Šimun, Josip, Antun, Matija, Petar and so on.
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According to this
https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Names/V/VL/VLADIMIR/index.html
There are more than 20,000 people in America with the name Vladimir. I imagine it is more common in Russia
It's also been used by many notable people throughout history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_(name)
Get a new hobby FlatAss. Or get your programmers to update your software to something more believable
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What does Putin do? He Puts In. ;D
Ok, this one was a dad joke.
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Listen, I live in Croatia, and I can safely tell you that name isn't common here.
So?
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Name analysis. Vladimir Putin.
"Vlad" seems like a hero name in Balkans, who has killed thousands of Ottomans. We know him as Vlad The Impelar. This name causes sympathy for the Russians of Serbian origin. It is also a scary name and requires fear of it.
"Imir" : It can mean another meaning in Russian. But in islamic literatuary, Imir seems like "Emir" means "order". We use this word to describe the Islamic ruler of a place. For example, ISIS used Imirs in cities. In this respect, he wanted to affect Muslims positively by correcting his name "Vlad", which was negative in the eyes of Muslims, with the suffix "Imir".
"Put In" : Clearly an English word phrase. With this, he gave a subliminal message to the people of the rest of the countries.
Based on the choice of name, we see that it has a name that will influence first the Slavs, then the Muslims in its country and then the peoples of the world in order of importance.
If this did not happen by chance, it would seem that this name resembles a specially designated and constructed name.
I guess he is exist because he is doing Judo. But, may be a robot or high possible a reptilian.
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"Imir" : It can mean another meaning in Russian. But in islamic literatuary, Imir seems like "Emir" means "order". We use this word to describe the Islamic ruler of a place. For example, ISIS used Imirs in cities. In this respect, he wanted to affect Muslims positively by correcting his name "Vlad", which was negative in the eyes of Muslims, with the suffix "Imir".
And why wouldn't that come from Slavic "mirŭ" (which can mean both "world" and "peace")? If the first part of his name is Slavic, it makes sense that the second part of his name is also, doesn't it?
If this did not happen by chance, it would seem that this name resembles a specially designated and constructed name.
Finally that we agree on something. By the way, do you still think Indo-European linguistics is a hoax?
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Come on, there is nothing common between Indians and Europeans.
So you claim this : Hi
And this: नमस्ते (namaste)
And this: Здравствуй (Zdravstvuy)
are relative;
But;
Selam / Hey! / merhaba! are not relative any of them, right? Ahahaha! You are really funny.
This is just something these countries have been invented to make the people feel close to each other. There is clearly no language connection between them. There is only one language; Adamic, and all languages derive from it. Accordingly, Turkish language, the language of the place Adam and his sons lived, is located in the middle of all languages, it is equally close to all languages.
The languages of the peoples living in Europe are similar, they are located in the same place. But this has nothing to do with India and Russia. Russian and Turkish common words are more than Russian and English common words. Hindi and Turkish common words are also more than common words in Spanish and Hindi.
The Indian European language family is just a joke that not even funny.
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
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So you claim this : Hi
And this: नमस्ते (namaste)
And this: Здравствуй (Zdravstvuy)
are relative;
As far as I know, nobody claims that. "Zdravstvuy" is obviously related to the Croatian word "zdravlje" meaning "health". "Namaste" allegedly meant "obeisance to you" in Sanskrit.
Selam / Hey! are not relative any of them, right?
Why would they be? "Selam" obviously comes from a word meaning "peace".
Turkish language is located in the middle of all languages, it is equally close to all languages.
What do you mean? Turkish is obviously way closer to the Uyghur language than to English.
Russian and Turkish common words are more than Russian and English common words
Now, I don't know how common are Turkish loanwords in Russian, but I know Croatian and Russian are rather closely related.
By the way, what do you think of my alternative interpretation of the names of places in Croatia (https://flatassembler.github.io/toponyms.html)?
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
They do if they are part of a global conspiracy to rule the world and are required to name their babies with obvious hints as to their purpose.
Ever seen the Riddler in Batman? His code makes him always ensure his riddles are solvable. Same thing!
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in the early 1950s?
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By the way, what do you think of my alternative interpretation of the names of places in Croatia (https://flatassembler.github.io/toponyms.html)?
Language similarities are mostly due to geographic similarity. If the two countries are geographically close, they will have similarities in terms of language. Turkish and Uighur come from the same root because Turks and Uighurs are close both racially and geographically. Just like many Turkish subcultures. Genetically, the affinity of Europeans with Turks is almost certainly proven today. Turks and Greeks are alike. Likewise, Greeks and Italians are alike. They lived together for a long time under Roman and Ottoman rule. They have both genetic and language similarities. Countries leaving Yugoslavia are similar. Therefore, it is not surprising that there is kinship between Russians and Croats of Serbian origin. However, this does not mean that they are traditionally the same language family. The place where lived for longer is decisive here.
Spaniards, French, Germans, and British alike because they are close. There are similarities between Tunisia with Spaniards, and Libya with Italians and Turks. For example, although Iranians are an ancient civilization just like the Turks, there are many common words between Persian and Turkish. Indians, a separate race like the Persians, have many common Persian words. It is all about geographic proximity.
When a country invades another country, it carries its culture and language there. With marriages, that language becomes a second language. And some words start to become common.
For example;
"Salam" is an Aramaic word, common in Arabia and Israel. But we Turks also use it, because of we have lived together for a while. And you can see it some other countries even not muslim, but because learned from Turks. "Merhaba" also is a well known Turkish word comes from Arabic. It means "mer" (means you in Persian) and "haber" (means news in Arabic). It combined Persian and Arabic word, but known as Turkish. Because when persians occopied Turkey until Ankara for a while, they have carried their language also.
There are 15 millions of Azeri-Turks in Iran.
Summery,
I have no idea rationally where Crotians belong to. As far as I see, it is a subculture affected by others around.
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
Here is one
https://www.behindthename.com/name/vladimir/top/russia-moscow
It seems like it is losing its popularity however. Perhaps the bigger Vladimir Putin makes himself a dick, the less people want their kid to be named like him.
You really pick the most ridiculous and obscure things to argue about. Further proof you are just a bot in a beta testing stage
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
I didn't claim that it was common name. I asked why you think that it shouldn't be a reasonable name.
But since you asked:
A common name throughout Russia, Vladimir is featured in novels by Turgenev and Pushkin.
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The place where lived for longer is decisive here.
But it isn't. Yes, languages borrow words from languages spoken near-by. But the basic vocabulary of languages doesn't change because of that. Words for numbers 1-10 are unlikely to be borrowed (Sanskrit names for numbers 1-10 are very similar to Latin and Greek ones, and even more so to the Slavic ones, because Sanskrit is a satem language), and so are the words for basic body parts (the word for "nose" is "nasus" in Latin, "nos" in Croatian and "nasa" in Sanskrit), pronouns (as far as I know, all Indo-European languages have a 2nd person singular pronoun which sounds like "thou", mostly it starts with the same sound as the word for the number "three") and so on (the word for "night" is "nox" in Latin, "nakti" in Sanskrit and "noć" in Croatian...).
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Words for numbers 1-10 are unlikely to be borrowed
There are many things in this world called as unlikely but then have been learned as likely.
Turkish / Persian /English / Arabic numbers:
PS: I know the letters, but usually only consonants are written in Persian. Since vowels are not written, I can make mistakes with vowels. What I am writing in parentheses is the close pronunciation.
1 bir / یکی (yak) / one / vaheed
2 iki / دو (due) / two /athnan
3 üç / سه (sa) / three / thlat
4 dört / چهار (cahaar) / four / arba
5 beş / پنج (panch) / five / hamsa
6 altı / شش (shash) / six / set
7 yedi / هفت (hafed) / seven / sebaa
8 sekiz / هشت (hashed) / eight / thmany
9 dokuz / نه (zaam or naam they pronounced similar) / nine / tesaa
There are differences in the pronunciation of words, but they resemble words from the same root. I grouped these:
Turkish and Persian have common numbers: 1/9 = 11 %
Persian and English have common numbers: 3/9 = 33 %
Persian and Arabic have common numbers: 1/9 = 11%
English and Arabic have common numbers: 4/9 = 44%
Although Britain and Arabia are distant from each other, I think the reason why the numbers are so similar is due to the historical colonial culture of the British on Arabic countries.
Bonus: Kurdish
yek (Persian)
du (Persian, English)
se (Persian)
char (Persian)
panch (Persian, Turkish)
shash (Persian)
haft (Persian)
hasht (Persian)
nah (English, Persian)
Kurdish has 1/9=11% common number with Turkish, 2/9=22% common number with English and 8/9=89% common number with Persian.
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Well thank God for the Arabic numeral system
We got the Roman calander but thankfully dumped their numeral system
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1 bir / یکی (yak) / one / vaheed
Well, word for "one" does change from time to time, because there tend to be a few words in a language meaning approximately "one". Latin "unus" and English "one" are almost certainly related. Is Croatian "jedan" related to them? I am not sure, but I'd guess it is.
3 üç / سه (sa) / three / thlat
I must say I got surprised a bit to learn that the Persian word for "three" is "sa". I expected it to be something like "tri", as in Sanskrit or Croatian. Is there some other word in which Indo-European "tr" changes to "s" in Persian? I can't think of any.
What do you mean that the Arabic word for "three" is "thlat"? It's ثَلَاثَة (ṯalāṯa).
4 dört / چهار (cahaar) / four / arba
Well, it's a good question why the English word "four" starts with 'f' instead of "wh". By the Grimm's law, we would definitely expect it to start with "wh", because it started with "kw" in Indo-European. On the other hand, it's not isolated. The word "wolf" ends with 'f' in English, and it ended with "kw" in Indo-European (and note also that it changed to 'p' in Latin "vulpes"). As for Persian "cahaar", I don't see anything too weird there to conclude it's not Indo-European. The 't' disappearing appears to be a normal thing in Persian, and the change from "kw" to 'c' is entirely expected in a satem language.
5 beş / پنج (panch) / five / hamsa
Why wouldn't Persian "panch" and English "five" be related? By the Grimm's Law, 'f' in Germanic languages corresponds to 'p' in other Indo-European languages. The relationship is quite obvious if you take into account that the 'i' in "five" was nasalized (but English lost nasalized vowels in Old English), as is visible in other Germanic languages, such as German "fünf".
7 yedi / هفت (hafed) / seven / sebaa
The fact that the Persian word for 7 starts with 'h' is not surprising. It's well-known that Indo-European 's' at the beginning of a word in front of a wovel turns into 'h' in Greek and Persian. Similarly, the Persian word for "sun" is خور (xwar), and for "sister" is خواهر (xâhar). A much better question would be why the Persian word for "six" starts with "sh", but I haven't studied Persian much.
As for why Proto-Semitic and Proto-Indo-European have similar words for 6 and 7, well, it's hard to tell. De Saussure used that as an argument for relationship between Indo-European and Semitic, but Semitic languages are now generally accepted to belong to the Afro-Asiatic language family, so it's very unlikely. It's probably a coincidence. Similarly, the Etruscan word for 7 was "semph", also vaguely similar.
8 sekiz / هشت (hashed) / eight / thmany
Well, the "sh" in Persian "hashed" is not surprising, since Persian is a satem language, and Indo-Eurpean 'kj' regularly changes to 's' or 'sh' in satem languages. As for the initial 'h', I don't see any obvious explanation for that. But, again, I haven't studied Persian at all. I guess it's something like the so-called "spiritus asper" in Greek words such as "hydra" (related to English "water"), triggered by the following vowel.
Turkish and Persian have common numbers: 1/9 = 11 %
Persian and English have common numbers: 3/9 = 33 %
And I thought you were claiming Persian was more closely related to Turkish than to English.
Although Britain and Arabia are distant from each other, I think the reason why the numbers are so similar is due to the historical colonial culture of the British on Arabic countries.
That's definitely not the explanation. Hittite and Akkadian also had similar words for "six" and "seven", thousands of years before colonialism.
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That's definitely not the explanation. Hittite and Akkadian also had similar words for "six" and "seven", thousands of years before colonialism.
Sorry? Aren't Hittits and Akkadians counted as people?
Words for numbers 1-10 are unlikely to be borrowed
Then I gave example includes this numbers, now you started to tell another story. Come on, be consistent.
And I thought you were claiming Persian was more closely related to Turkish than to English.
Generally so. But when issue comes to numbers, Turkish is far away to others. This is because we Turks why not good on trade. Others are talking same language. ;)
The fact that the Persian word for 7 starts with 'h' is not surprising. It's well-known that Indo-European 's' at the beginning of a word in front of a wovel turns into 'h' in Greek and Persian. Similarly, the Persian word for "sun" is خور (xwar), and for "sister" is خواهر (xâhar). A much better question would be why the Persian word for "six" starts with "sh", but I haven't studied Persian much.
As for why Proto-Semitic and Proto-Indo-European have similar words for 6 and 7, well, it's hard to tell. De Saussure used that as an argument for relationship between Indo-European and Semitic, but Semitic languages are now generally accepted to belong to the Afro-Asiatic language family, so it's very unlikely. It's probably a coincidence. Similarly, the Etruscan word for 7 was "semph", also vaguely similar.
It is funny you are still talking "Indo-Europe" language family that never existed and have not similarity. You can make a test and compare them. India is similar to Persian more than others. If you pay attention then you can see, Iranian and Indian peopla are genetically, typically similar. What a relevance with Europe? It is just a comedy to claim there can be a language family has the name "Indo-Europe". Hahaha. A full of comedy. ;D Give it up and let the discuss continue serious. We can really do a test to compare languages, for example English, Indian, Turkish and Persian. Also, Russian is not close to English. Give it up that claim.
Well, it's a good question why the English word "four" starts with 'f' instead of "wh". By the Grimm's law, we would definitely expect it to start with "wh", because it started with "kw" in Indo-European. On the other hand, it's not isolated. The word "wolf" ends with 'f' in English, and it ended with "kw" in Indo-European (and note also that it changed to 'p' in Latin "vulpes"). As for Persian "cahaar", I don't see anything too weird there to conclude it's not Indo-European. The 't' disappearing appears to be a normal thing in Persian, and the change from "kw" to 'c' is entirely expected in a satem language.
It is still a comedy. You are talking depends on evidences, then you magically add "Indo" to Europe language family. Why can't you give an example of Hindi about your examples? Because Hindi has nothing with others.
What do you mean that the Arabic word for "three" is "thlat"? It's ثَلَاثَة (ṯalāṯa).
I have wrote it as how I spaek it in Turkish. It simply shown as talaata in writing, but Arabic words are not speaking as same as they written. They generally add something at the end of the word or sentences. They tell it as "th-laat", t and h together and laat. It may be thlaati or thlaata according to talking. Arabs generally use "aat" paragoge for make words plural. For example bint is single, but it becomes plural when they tell "benaat". This example can be increased. According to this thought, there is a possiblity they use it in the meaning of "plural of something" means three. It requires to know what "th" means. I guess it comes from du, it means two. It may be come from "du-laat", "two-plural" means three., guess.
I think you should do a study demonstrating the relevance of Hindi to these languages before continuing here. You can't get rid of that discussion by using them together; Indo-European language family was never existed. India and Europe has nothing similar than they have more than others. Until I work it, this word is a claim too. It seems unlogical to me. India and Europe together? what does that have to do with anything?
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This is why it illogical. There are Turks number of more than 200 millions between them. From Turkey to Yakutia (yakut means ruby in Turkish, a turkish word, because there are ruby mines in Yakutia), and a few south of Turkey but mostly north side of Turkey, all this region filled with Turks. In other words, Turk region divides Russia to two parts. It is impossible to be a connection between Indians with Russians and Europeans other than teleportation but not visit the Turk region.
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Aren't Hittits and Akkadians counted as people?
You claimed the similarities between Arabic and English words for 6 and 7 are attributable to the recent colonialism. I pointed out that this is not an explanation, because Hittite (the oldest attested Indo-European language) and Akkadian (the oldest attested Semitic language) also had similar words for 6 and 7.
now you started to tell another story
How?
This is because we Turks why not good on trade.
That's obviously not what's going on. Latin, Greek and Sanskrit names of numbers were similar, even though people speaking Sanskrit and people speaking Latin and Greek didn't trade with each other, they didn't even know for one another (Greeks believed Hindus river was the end of the world).
Also, Russian is not close to English. Give it up that claim.
Russian is related to English, that's what I am certain.
English 't' corresponds to Russian 'd': "two"-"два" (dva), "ten"-"де́сять" (desiat), "tree"-"дрова́" (drova), "twig"-"двигъ" (dvigu), "to"-"до" (do), "water"-"вода́" (voda)...
English 'th' corresponds to Russian 't': "three"-"три" (tri), "thin"-"то́нкий" (tonkiy), "that"-"тот" (tot), "brother"-"брат" (brat), "mother"-"мать" (mati)...
Why can't you give an example of Hindi about your examples? Because Hindi has nothing with others.
Hindi is relatively closely related to Persian (both belong to the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-European), nobody claims otherwise.
I have wrote it as how I spaek it in Turkish.
You compare with the earliest attested form of the language, not with how people who don't speak a language well pronounce words. Basic common sense. And you shouldn't compare Hindi with English (or whatever language you suppose it to be related to), you should compare English with Sanskrit, since we know Hindi came from Sanskrit (much like Italian and Spanish came from Latin).
It is impossible to be a connection between Indians and Europeans other than teleportation but not visit the Turk region.
And there were many Indo-European languages spoken in modern-day Turkey. Hittite, Lydian and Luwian belonged to the Anatolian branch of Indo-European. Then there was the Phrygian language, and no doubt many other Indo-European languages we know nothing about.
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You claimed the similarities between Arabic and English words for 6 and 7 are attributable to the recent colonialism. I pointed out that this is not an explanation, because Hittite (the oldest attested Indo-European language) and Akkadian (the oldest attested Semitic language) also had similar words for 6 and 7.
But that entry was not about it. It was about your claiming there isn't similarities about numbers. Your different opinion here did not affect the original argument. Hitits are lived in Turkey and relatives with both Turks and Greek. If you want to take them, please take the rest of the world and give me nothing, okay?
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Hitit is here and they are also "the oldest attested Indo-European language" according to you. So, our grandfathers are actually your grandfathers and we Turks have came from Mars here, right?
I have use my right to do not continue this discussion. Please, okay? I don't interest what happened to Putin anymore after that point. You have no idea whose are living in Turkey but talking from 1000 kilometres far as you know it better than me. Okay, take it all, I don't want any of it. Get the Hitits, urartus, Sumerians, Azteks, others, all of them are your grandfathers and we came here from Mars by teleportation. Okay.
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It was about your claiming there isn't similarities about numbers.
And there clearly isn't a similarity between Turkish numbers and English or Persian ones, or between Turkish numbers and Arabic numbers.
Maybe there is some deep-in-time connection between Arabic (a Semitic language) and Persian and English (Indo-European languages), but very few linguists subscribe to that idea. Most linguists think the similarities between Indo-European and Semitic names for numbers 6 and 7 are a coincidence, and the reasons to think that are quite obvious.
So, our grandfathers are actually your grandfathers and we Turks have came from Mars here, right?
Where Turks came from is irrelevant to whether some languages of India are related to most languages of Europe. Maybe Turkic languages are, as some linguists claim, related to Mongolian and Korean and perhaps Japanese (Altaic Hypothesis). Maybe (though I am not sure any expert claims that) some Turkic languages were spoken in Anatolia in ancient times, but were not attested.
But if you will reject the connection between English and Persian because it's supposedly not based on enough evidence, then please be consistent enough to also reject the connection between English and Turkish, as it is clearly based on even less evidence.
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If you are going to keep claiming nonsense like Indo-European, you need more solid evidence. I do not produce a language family called Engo-Turko. There are similarities between these languages, there are similarities between each language. But India geographically far from others. Then you say the Hittites have something to do with the Indians. Nope. It does not affect.
I have draw you where people live:
(https://i.hizliresim.com/uYPHkZ.png)
This map was like this 100 years ago, it was like this 500 years ago, it was like this 1000 years ago also, -if exist- 3000 years ago too. Countries are formed and countries collapse. Soldiers come and soldiers go. But the peasants cannot move much, they do not have such technology and requirements. It does not matter who founded the Hittite state, its people are Turkish people. There are Turks, Kurds in the east and Greeks in the west. This situation has not changed at all. Peoples are always the same. Therefore, if the Hittites came and passed from these lands, it is impossible not to affect Turkish. This event you are talking about is completely imaginary.
When a country invades another country, it carries its own language there. A mixed language is formed. Since the British exploited India for a long time, they also carried their language there. This is all it. Historically, they have nothing in common. Between Europe and India there is Asia and the Middle East, and the two cannot interact without affecting them.
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Look at it: This family is a characteristic family in India:
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170224193139-03-olathe-kansas-shootings-exlarge-169.jpg)
You are telling it Indo-Europe language family. Are you okay? You are telling it depends on supposedly history science, but I am talking depending the realities. If you have a language similarity with this, get have fun with it!
This is average Russian family:
(https://rbg24.ru/images/news/6764_aile-butcelerindeki-serbest-para-artti_0.jpg)
Pay attention you are telling they are in same language family. Okay.
An average Persian /Iranian family:
(https://photos.travelblog.org/Photos/15867/64043/f/380174-Iranian-Family-0.jpg)
An average Turkish family. I don't use blondes here especially but brunettes.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/94/55/fb94556bb6b5631fe9c794ea0f7661d9.jpg)
So,
You claim this family has nothing with Russians, but has relationship with this family:
(https://suptonmclaughlin.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/family-e1379886446773.jpg?w=300)
Why are you saying that? Because according to you, Turks do not belong to this geography. This is history invented by westerners. Turks have always been in this geography. Those in the east of this map that I have drawn, those neighboring China are similar to the Chinese, and those in the west are similar to the Greeks. This is the case when it comes to general image language also.
Even if Indians had actually managed to reach Europe 3000 years ago, much greater differences between their languages would surely have occurred in such a long time.
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If you are going to keep claiming nonsense like Indo-European, you need more solid evidence. I do not produce a language family called Engo-Turko. There are similarities between these languages, there are similarities between each language. But India geographically far from others. Then you say the Hittites have something to do with the Indians. Nope. It does not affect.
I have draw you where people live:
(https://i.hizliresim.com/uYPHkZ.png)
Are you assuming that Indo-European languages originated in India? ???
The Indo-European languages are a family of related languages that today are widely spoken in the Americas, Europe, and also Western and Southern Asia. Just as languages such as Spanish, French, Portuguese and Italian are all descended from Latin, Indo-European languages are believed to derive from a hypothetical language known as Proto-Indo-European, which is no longer spoken.
It is highly probable that the earliest speakers of this language originally lived around Ukraine and neighbouring regions in the Caucasus and Southern Russia, then spread to most of the rest of Europe and later down into India. The earliest possible end of Proto-Indo-European linguistic unity is believed to be around 3400 BCE.
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Are you assuming that Indo-European languages originated in India? ???
As usual, wise is off trying to debunk a theory without even a cursory knowledge of the theory.
His expertise in engineering is only matched by his expertise in linguistics...
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If you are going to keep claiming nonsense like Indo-European, you need more solid evidence.
And if it is nonsense, why do nearly all linguists believe that?
There are similarities between these languages, there are similarities between each language.
Sure, we all speak human languages and, in the vast majority of human languages, subject comes at the beginning of a sentence (SOV and SVO are by far the most common word orders), there is a word for mother starting with 'm' and for father starting with 'p', and so on. But if you pick any two random languages that aren't related, you won't find any similarities in the names of numbers 1-10, the names for basic body parts (except possibly for "nose", there appears to be a cross-linguistic tendency for nose to be named something like choongah, onomatopoeia of sniffing, but obviously not among Indo-European languages) and other basic vocabulary, nor in grammar endings.
Then you say the Hittites have something to do with the Indians. Nope. It does not affect.
The exact position of Hittite among the Indo-European language family is a matter of some controversy, but no serious linguist since 1920s has argued it's not an Indo-European language. It was deciphered partly using knowledge from other Indo-European languages.
I have draw you where people live
I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make with that map.
it was like this 1000 years ago also
Errr... Nope, a thousand years ago Russian was spoken only in the very west of what's now called Russia. Russians back in the day didn't even know of much of Siberia, much less of the Pacific Ocean. Languages spoken there 1000 years ago were mostly Uralic, Tungusic, Dene-Yeniseian and Indo-Iranian languages, not Slavic languages.
A mixed language is formed.
Mixed languages, that is, creoles, have very specific grammatical features, such as a very isolating syntax. Claims that Proto-Germanic or Proto-Indo-Aryan languages are creoles are complete nonsense. Claim that English is a creole holds some more merit, but not much.
Historically, they have nothing in common.
Actually, they do. Sanskrit is related to Latin and Greek, and more distantly to English. Here are Sanskrit numbers:
1. One एकम् (ekam)
2. Two द्वे (dve)
3. Three त्रीणि (treeni)
4. Four चत्वारि (chatvaari)
5. Five पञ्च (pancha)
6. Six षट् (shat)
7. Seven सप्त (sapta)
8. Eight अष्ट (ashta)
9. Nine नव (nava)
10. Ten दश (dasha)
It was like that long before colonialism, and also long before English language even existed.
Between Europe and India there is Asia and the Middle East, and the two cannot interact without affecting them.
And, again, countless Indo-European languages were and are spoken in the Middle East. Anatolian languages (Hittite, Luwian...), Phrygian, Persian, Armenian...
Why are you saying that?
Because languages have nothing to do with race, and have very little to do with genetics. Finnish people are genetically related to Swedish people, but their languages are unrelated (Swedish is closely related to English, while Finnish is distantly related to Hungarian, and even more distantly to the Samoyedic languages). Similarly, Turks are genetically closely related to Greeks, but linguistically they are closely related to Uyghurs (whereas Uyghurs are genetically closely related to the Sibe people, to which they are linguistically not at all related). Languages spread a lot faster than genes do.
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If you are going to keep claiming nonsense like Indo-European, you need more solid evidence. I do not produce a language family called Engo-Turko. There are similarities between these languages, there are similarities between each language. But India geographically far from others. Then you say the Hittites have something to do with the Indians. Nope. It does not affect.
I have draw you where people live:
(https://i.hizliresim.com/uYPHkZ.png)
Are you assuming that Indo-European languages originated in India? ???
The Indo-European languages are a family of related languages that today are widely spoken in the Americas, Europe, and also Western and Southern Asia. Just as languages such as Spanish, French, Portuguese and Italian are all descended from Latin, Indo-European languages are believed to derive from a hypothetical language known as Proto-Indo-European, which is no longer spoken.
It is highly probable that the earliest speakers of this language originally lived around Ukraine and neighbouring regions in the Caucasus and Southern Russia, then spread to most of the rest of Europe and later down into India. The earliest possible end of Proto-Indo-European linguistic unity is believed to be around 3400 BCE.
A few linguists do argue that Proto-Indo-European was spoken in India. Though, it's hard to defend that idea in the light of reconstructed Indo-European vocabulary, the word *lakjs (compare Croatian "losos", German "Lachs", Tocharian "laks", Ossetian "лӕсӕг") in all likelihood meant "salmon", and there are no salmons in India. Regardless, it's certainly less wrong to claim that PIE was spoken in India than to claim English is more related to Turkish than to Hindi.
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Well actually Vladimir does mean to rule or govern and Putin comes from the word "Put" soft T, which mean the way. So yes his name actually means to rule or to govern the way or leading the way. Very interesting.
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Sanskrit is related to Latin and Greek, and more distantly to English. Here are Sanskrit numbers:
Lets examine it with Persian and decide which one it seems similar; I take first two from your post;
English / Sanskrit / persian
1. One एकम् (ekam) Yek
2. Two द्वे (dve) / do
3. Three त्रीणि (treeni) / se
4. Four चत्वारि (chatvaari) / chaar
5. Five पञ्च (pancha) / panch
6. Six षट् (shat) / shash
7. Seven सप्त (sapta) / haft
8. Eight अष्ट (ashta) / hasht
9. Nine नव (nava) / noh
10. Ten दश (dasha) / dah
As we see that, except the number "three", and may be seven a bit, Sanskrit is similar to Persian more. So, how can you claim its being relative with English?
If you referring Sanskrit here, so why don't you take Persian a member of that language family? It is clear that persian has more similarity to Sanskrit more than others, like Hindi. Because they are not part of the scenario?
In my opinion, Hindi-Europe language family is made up in order to convince Indians and some other people to convince behave together with Europeans.
That theory divides Russians and Turks traditionally lived on same location, and divides Indians and Persians lived tradionally as a neighbor thousands of years, and adding them to Europe. What a relevance? It is still comedy.
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If you referring Sanskrit here, so why don't you take Persian a member of that language family?
And I am.
Hindi is relatively closely related to Persian (both belong to the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-European), nobody claims otherwise.
You know, I am starting to think you are trolling.
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You know, I am starting to think you are trolling.
Says he.
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You know, I am starting to think you are trolling.
Says he.
What do you mean?
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You know, I am starting to think you are trolling.
Says he.
What do you mean?
He means that it looks funny to see a guy who is nothing but a troll to call out someone for being a troll
No one takes you serious. Everyone thinks you're a troll. Or a bot.
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Both my mother and father were called Vladimir, my dog was Ralf.
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If you referring Sanskrit here, so why don't you take Persian a member of that language family?
And I am.
Hindi is relatively closely related to Persian (both belong to the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-European), nobody claims otherwise.
You know, I am starting to think you are trolling.
And I have start to think you are trolling either.
You have start to tell Indo-Iranian branch now.
So;
You have start with Indo-Europe, and now it has been enlarged to Indo-Persian; which is on the line? Indo-China, Indo-Russia, Indo-'Nesia, and with Indo-Africa, nobody remains but Indo-Turks. Indians are so crowd and you can create a relationship with everything this way. But, but,, Where is Indo-Turk language family? :'(
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These are the languages in the PIE family tree. Turkic has it's own.
(https://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/IE_images/ietreecentum1_bw.gif)
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No one takes you serious. Everyone thinks you're a troll. Or a bot.
Once again, try talking to something you know is a bot (like Cleverbot), you will quickly realize the big difference between talking to me and talking to a bot.
And why would I have to be a troll? When I published peer-reviewed papers about linguistics (like this one (https://flatassembler.github.io/Baranja.jpg)), none of the experts there complained that I was a troll. But when I try to apply my knowledge of linguistics to real-world issues, or even correct people who are very mistaken about well-known facts from linguistics, then somehow I am suddenly a troll. Is it some clever form of the Poisoning the Well fallacy?
Indo-China, Indo-Russia, Indo-'Nesia, and with Indo-Africa, nobody remains but Indo-Turks.
Chinese is clearly unrelated to English. Both when it comes to basic vocabulary, and it doesn't even have that many English loanwords.
Russian is related to the Indo-European languages of India, but it is probably more closely related to Germanic languages (Germanic and Balto-Slavic share many innovations in vocabulary, and superficially similar sound changes between Indo-Iranian and Slavic are probably areal influence).
Indonesian languages (a branch of the Austronesian language family) are traditionally thought to be unrelated to Indo-European languages, though I think it's possible to be related. There appear to be some systematic similarities (https://flatassembler.github.io/Indo-Austronesian.html) (Indo-European *s appears to regularly correspond to Austronesian *q, Indo-European *d appears to regularly correspond to Austronesian *d and Indo-European *r appears to regularly correspond to Austronesian *l), though it's hard to prove they aren't coincidental. When it comes to connecting attested Indo-European languages (with thousands of known words), you can list sound laws with tens or hundreds of examples accross a wide range of vocabulary, so that the mere suggestion that it's due to coincidence must appear absurd. Something like that just can't be done with poorly known languages such as Proto-Indo-European and Proto-Austronesian. They clearly aren't closely related.
African languages are very diverse, and not very well studied. Hypotheses about deep connections between many or even most African languages (such as Niger-Congo languages) aren't based on solid evidence. Could some African language family be distantly related to Indo-European languages or Dravidian languages? Possibly. Some prominent linguists, including De Saussure, considered Hamito-Semitic languages to be related to Indo-European. But if there was some language family closely related to Indo-European in Africa, it would have already been recognized by linguists, and distant relationships are hard to prove.
Turkic languages are generally thought to be unrelated to Indo-European languages, they are considered by mainstream linguistics to be unrelated to any other language family. Now, there are a few linguists who consider Mongolic, Turkic, Korean and perhaps Japanese to be related and form the Altaic language family, but it was never mainstream linguistics, and it has fewer and fewer proponents over time. There are some linguists who accept the Altaic language family and claim it's related to Indo-European and Uralic languages, this is called Nostratic Hypothesis, but it is widely viewed as pseudoscience among mainstream linguistics. But, even so, it's not nearly as pseudoscientific as what you, wise, are claiming.
These are the languages in the PIE family tree.
Why wouldn't Hittite be a satem language? As far as I can tell (though I haven't studied it that much), Proto-Indo-European *kj corresponds to 'ss' in Hittite. For instance, the famous Hittite word for "horse trainer" is "assussanni" (similar phonological development to the Sanskrit word for horse, अश्व, ašva, rather than to the cognate Latin word "equus").
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By the way, JimmyTheCrab, you seem to agree with me, at least for the most part, about linguistics, right? Then why do you imply I am a troll?
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Everyone following along, I have created this throwaway to let you all know that FlatAssembler is not trolling; I've been hearing his nonsense for years, and recently he's made clams about how prisons don't exist. At first, I thought he was trolling, but as time went on, I regret to inform you that isn't the case.
As for the topic, I'm sure this is the next ridiculous thing he's going to believe. Since he thinks he knows linguistics, he's gonna use it to support nutty conspiracy theories, even when in actuality it means nothing at all.
Keep responding to him, it's entertaining anyways, but just know your time could be better spent elsewhere. He almost never changes his mind, and when you present him with a compelling argument, he keeps moving the goalposts. It's a fruitless endeavor to try to change his mind.
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but just know your time could be better spent elsewhere.
We are all on the Flat Earth forums, I think we know we are not contributing much to human progress.
Still, thanks for the info, I'm pretty intrigued by the "prisons don't exist" thing though - is this something to do with linguistics as well?
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We are all on the Flat Earth forums, I think we know we are not contributing much to human progress.
To be fair, you can still learn a few things here and there, especially given how a lot of users come from a variety of backgrounds. But with FlatAssembler, you're more likely to lose brain cells in the process; Participating in any other part of this forum would still be more productive than responding to Assembler (although maybe not as entertaining).
Still, thanks for the info, I'm pretty intrigued by the "prisons don't exist" thing though - is this something to do with linguistics as well?
I don't think so (even though I could see him using that to help substantiate his position), if I'm not mistaken I think he says they can't exist because he doesn't understand why people think they're a good idea.
I don't want to get too much into it, don't wanna derail, but I'm sure he'll love to tell you all about it.
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Participating in any other part of this forum would still be more productive than responding to Assembler (although maybe not as entertaining).
You clearly haven't read some of the other threads here. He's got some stiff competition. ;D
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Participating in any other part of this forum would still be more productive than responding to Assembler (although maybe not as entertaining).
You clearly haven't read some of the other threads here. He's got some stiff competition. ;D
I'm willing to bet Assembler is up there though. What other things has he posted here? Did he tell you about his position on murder?
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FlatAssembler has posted many weird threads here at the FES, and identical threads on other forums. Anyway, you should stick around.
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FlatAssembler has posted many weird threads here at the FES, and identical threads on other forums. Anyway, you should stick around.
I may stick around, though I'll mostly just lurk if I do. I just wanted to pop in to let you all know about Mr. FlatAssembler. I'm not sure which forums you saw his posts on, but I've noticed he's posted his Vukovar thread on several.
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He's been here for about 4 years now.
This is the forum he took his name from https://board.flatassembler.net/index.php
This thread is one of his first FES obsessions https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70713.0
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Since he thinks he knows linguistics
What do you mean "thinks he knows"? I have published papers in peer-reviewed journals about linguistics. I have a very good reason to think I know linguistics. Not all of linguistics, of course (nobody knows all of linguistics), but enough to understand the basic principles of social sciences.
I'm pretty intrigued by the "prisons don't exist" thing though
Well, think of it this way: for prisons to exist, people on power have to think it's a good thing that prisons exist. But how can a rational person think that? A prison is not a place in which an insane person, who has murdered (or something like that) because of his or her insanity, will become sane, it's a place from which he or she will return with even more psychological problems (which made them a criminal in the first place). Obviously, a rational person can't believe prisons are a good thing. Also, people on power need to be rational enough to get on power. Would you know how to become a successful politician in the country you live in? I wouldn't. But even I understand how the society works well enough to understand prisons shouldn't exist. Therefore, prisons probably don't exist. They are very hard to explain from the perspective of social sciences.
is this something to do with linguistics
Well, not much. But, yeah, the basic principle of social sciences (including linguistics) is that the society as a whole behaves as if everybody was rational, because irrationality of individuals tends to cancel each other out. Prisons clearly contradict that principle.
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I have published papers in peer-reviewed journals about linguistics.
Prove it.
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I have published papers in peer-reviewed journals about linguistics.
Prove it.
Well, here is the abstract of one of the papers I published: https://flatassembler.github.io/Baranja.jpg
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What do you mean "thinks he knows"? I have published papers in peer-reviewed journals about linguistics. I have a very good reason to think I know linguistics. Not all of linguistics, of course (nobody knows all of linguistics), but enough to understand the basic principles of social sciences.
People on other forums have explained to you how it's easy to publish, and also given your location, publishing papers (especially in the social-sciences) is even easier, and means very little.
And you're also falling for the Dunning-Kruger effect; As far as I can tell, you haven't even finished University yet. I'll consider that you 'know linguistics' if you have at least a Bachelor's degree in the subject. As it stands, no one should take you as a significant authority on this subject.
Well, think of it this way: for prisons to exist, people on power have to think it's a good thing that prisons exist. But how can a rational person think that?
I thought you were an anarchist? You think governments act rationally 100% of the time? I don't think anyone would agree with that.
Don't you think murder should be legal? Going by your logic, you should assume laws against murder don't exist.
I'm sure Hitler and other Nazi officers thought the Holocaust was a good idea too. Or are you going to deny that now as well?
A prison is not a place in which an insane person, who has murdered (or something like that) because of his or her insanity, will become sane, it's a place from which he or she will return with even more psychological problems (which made them a criminal in the first place).
Someone on another forum has already explained to you that most people who murder are not mentally ill. According to this study, only about 5% of murderers in the US have some history of mental illness: https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/consequences/1000-homicides.html
There are some bungles, but more often than not insane people who murder are found innocent on the grounds on insanity and are put into mental hospitals.
Obviously, a rational person can't believe prisons are a good thing.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity
Obviously, a rational person can't believe-
that the Holocaust was a good thing.
that Lysenkoism was a good thing.
that Slavery was a good thing.
Does that stop them from being true?
Aren't you also a vegetarian? You are aware about what goes on in slaughterhouses, right? You don't consider that very rational do you?
Also, people on power need to be rational enough to get on power. Would you know how to become a successful politician in the country you live in? I wouldn't.
That isn't about being rational. Many politicians aren't very rational either. Even granting your statement (which is dubious in and of itself), it's being *just* rational enough. You could still be quite irrational.
But even I understand how the society works well enough to understand prisons shouldn't exist. Therefore, prisons probably don't exist. They are very hard to explain from the perspective of social sciences.
I don't think anyone argues that prisons shouldn't exist; Many argue that they should be reformed to focus less on punishment.
Well, not much. But, yeah, the basic principle of social sciences (including linguistics) is that the society as a whole behaves as if everybody was rational, because irrationality of individuals tends to cancel each other out. Prisons clearly contradict that principle.
Where did you hear that from? Or did you come to that conclusion yourself?
Either way, it's wrong. Do you really not think people like psychologists consider cognitive biases?
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BTW, this thread is starting to get derailed, if a mod thinks so too, can he or she split it into another thread?
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His threads always get derailed because he tosses the bait out and people gobble it up.
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His threads always get derailed because he tosses the bait out and people gobble it up.
That isn't too uncommon with him, I've seen it happen many times on other forums.
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I have published papers in peer-reviewed journals about linguistics.
Prove it.
Well, here is the abstract of one of the papers I published: https://flatassembler.github.io/Baranja.jpg
Can you link to the actual paper (in English, if possible) on the site that published it?
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People on other forums have explained to you how it's easy to publish
Have you tried it? I am certain I wouldn't succeed at publishing those papers if I hadn't studied the subject for years.You think governments act rationally 100% of the time?
Generally, they are rational but have incomplete information (due to the Economic Calculation problem).I'm sure Hitler and other Nazi officers thought the Holocaust was a good idea too. Or are you going to deny that now as well?
No. In the case of Holocaust, irrationality of the individuals who are willing to kill people of other nations can't be canceled out by irrationality of other people, so this doesn't appear to contradict the basic principle of social science. The basic principle of social science applies to economics and political decision making, where irrationality of some individuals can cancel out the irrationality of other individuals. And, obviously, the vast majority of social scientists believe in the Holocaust (so much so that it's illegal to deny the Holocaust), so I am not going to deny it.Someone on another forum has already explained to you that most people who murder are not mentally ill.
Most? Well, that's a pretty extraordinary claim, with a burden of proof I am quite sure you can't meet.that Lysenkoism was a good thing.
A rational person can believe in Lysenkoism. Lysenkoism doesn't appear to be logically inconsistent (making it impossible for a rational person to believe in it), it's just inconsistent with the empirical evidence.Aren't you also a vegetarian?
Mostly. I eat fish from time to time. Fish is rather different from other meat, most arguments for vegetarianism don't apply to them. Most neuroscientists agree fish don't feel pain. And fish contains little saturated fat and basically no heme iron, which makes meat unhealthy. Environmental vegetarianism also doesn't really apply to fish, since fish aren't given antibiotics.You are aware about what goes on in slaughterhouses, right? You don't consider that very rational do you?
Well, that doesn't appear to contradict the basic principle of social sciences. There is no way for the irrationality of some farmers who mistreat animals to be canceled out by irrationality of farmers who treat animals exceedingly well.That isn't about being rational. Many politicians aren't very rational either.
Well, then, how do you explain why politicians exist? By the Marxist theory of society (which nearly no social scientist of today accepts)?Where did you hear that from?
And many other places.Can you link to the actual paper (in English, if possible) on the site that published it?
As far as I know, they don't have a website.
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Have you tried it? I am certain I wouldn't succeed at publishing those papers if I hadn't studied the subject for years.
I have (after doing research at my university), and know a few people who have published papers of their own. Wasn't that hard really. I can't imagine how easy it must be where you're from.
Generally, they are rational but have incomplete information (due to the Economic Calculation problem).
Governments are rational? Really?
Governments more often than not rely on ideology rather than evidence.
No. In the case of Holocaust, irrationality of the individuals who are willing to kill people of other nations can't be canceled out by irrationality of other people, so this doesn't appear to contradict the basic principle of social science.
What the hell are you talking about?
I'll get to the 'basic principle of social science' now; 'Rationality' in economics takes on a different meaning than in colloquial usage, something you obviously fail to understand.
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/wm-macroeconomics/chapter/reading-rationality-and-self-interest/#:~:text=In%20the%20context%20of%20economics,in%20the%20face%20of%20scarcity.&text=Economists%20assume%20that%20people%20will,in%20their%20own%20self%2Dinterest.
The basic principle of social science applies to economics and political decision making, where irrationality of some individuals can cancel out the irrationality of other individuals. And, obviously, the vast majority of social scientists believe in the Holocaust (so much so that it's illegal to deny the Holocaust), so I am not going to deny it.
Do the vast majority of social scientists deny the existence of prisons or agree with you that murder should be legal?
Most? Well, that's a pretty extraordinary claim, with a burden of proof I am quite sure you can't meet.
...I posted a link, idiot, one you conveniently edited out.
https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/consequences/1000-homicides.html
A rational person can believe in Lysenkoism. Lysenkoism doesn't appear to be logically inconsistent (making it impossible for a rational person to believe in it), it's just inconsistent with the empirical evidence.
Was the government rational in believing it? It was supported due to ideology, not evidence. Doesn't sound very rational to me.
Mostly. I eat fish from time to time. Fish is rather different from other meat, most arguments for vegetarianism don't apply to them. Most neuroscientists agree fish don't feel pain.
Wow, do you just forget all of the debates you've had? Or are you expecting for me not to know?
https://philosophicalvegan.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5208&p=43927
TL:DR Fish very likely feel pain.
And fish contains little saturated fat and basically no heme iron, which makes meat unhealthy. Environmental vegetarianism also doesn't really apply to fish, since fish aren't given antibiotics.
Antibiotics isn't the only environmental argument for veganism.
Well, that doesn't appear to contradict the basic principle of social sciences.
You seem to arbitrarily draw the line on this issue whenever it suits you.
There is no way for the irrationality of some farmers who mistreat animals to be canceled out by irrationality of farmers who treat animals exceedingly well.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Well, then, how do you explain why politicians exist? By the Marxist theory of society (which nearly no social scientist of today accepts)?
Politicians each have their own motives. Rationality has little to do with it for many of them.
And many other places.
Again, you misunderstood the context. They're talking about rationality from an *economic* perspective. Either way, you have no idea what you're talking about when you use the terms (No one should take you as an authority on anything. I'm sure if you are to ask a professional about it they'd say you've got it all wrong).
Plus, the video was just in regards to economics, not social sciences as a whole.
I'm done here. I've already wasted far too much of my time. Anyone wanna take this guy on feel free.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/arts/academic-journals-hoax.html
Hoaxers Slip Breastaurants and Dog-Park Sex Into Journals
One paper, published in a journal called Sex Roles, said that the author had conducted a two-year study involving “thematic analysis of table dialogue” to uncover the mystery of why heterosexual men like to eat at Hooters.
Another, from a journal of feminist geography, parsed “human reactions to rape culture and queer performativity” at dog parks in Portland, Ore., while a third paper, published in a journal of feminist social work and titled “Our Struggle Is My Struggle,” simply scattered some up-to-date jargon into passages lifted from Hitler’s “Mein Kampf.”
It's not that difficult to have garbage peer reviewed papers.
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People on other forums have explained to you how it's easy to publish
Have you tried it? I am certain I wouldn't succeed at publishing those papers if I hadn't studied the subject for years.
There are some "journals" that will publish literally anything, for the right fee.
https://www.sciencealert.com/two-scientific-journals-have-accepted-a-study-by-maggie-simpson-and-edna-krabappel
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I have (after doing research at my university), and know a few people who have published papers of their own. Wasn't that hard really. I can't imagine how easy it must be where you're from.
Well, I have also published a paper about computer science (https://github.com/FlatAssembler/ArithmeticExpressionCompiler/raw/master/seminar/PojednostavljeniSeminar.pdf) this year. I have only managed to do that after months of re-editing, and, as far as I know, nobody in my class has even tried to do that. Can you share an abstract of some paper you published?
From my perspective, you are some guy who devalues my work without even trying to understanding it. You seem to imply most linguistic journals are just mills that will publish anything, and that is incredibly insulting. Many of the papers I've written didn't pass the peer review, and those that did, did so only after weeks or months of re-editing. That's incredibly frustrating, you get the idea that linguistics is too rigorous (and not letting some good ideas to get expressed), rather than not rigorous enough. And when you are devaluing my work without even trying to understand it, you sound silly and insulting. Not to mention that's obviously not the way science works. Since you are present on the philosophicalvegan forum, do you know when Sunflowers claimed quantum mechanics was nonsense without even trying to understand it? You sound kind of like that.
Governments are rational? Really?
I am not sure what most social scientists think about anarchism, but I am certain questioning whether governments are rational is unscientific.
'Rationality' in economics takes on a different meaning than in colloquial usage, something you obviously fail to understand
Hmmm... I don't think "rationality" in social sciences means "considering one's own self-interest". Democracy relies on that not being the case (on people considering the best interest of the society, rather than their own self-interest), yet most of the social scientists seem to agree democratic governments are better than autocratic ones. That's what Bryan Caplan tries to refute in "Myth of the Rational Voter". But, for most cases, it doesn't matter. In most cases, what's good for you is also good for the society as a whole.
Do the vast majority of social scientists deny the existence of prisons or agree with you that murder should be legal?
I don't know.
I posted a link, idiot, one you conveniently edited out.
Why would that be a reliable source?
It was supported due to ideology, not evidence.
Or, because they rationally (though wrongly) thought they had overwhelming evidence (experiments "showing" rye changes to wheat in certain conditions...).
Wow, do you just forget all of the debates you've had? Or are you expecting for me not to know?
I've expected you not to know that. Who are you? Red? Zzzzzz? NonZeroSum?
In that discussion, brimstoneSalad was rejecting the obvious scientific consensus that some mammals, such as naked mole rats, don't feel pain. So why take seriously anything else he or she says on the topic?
Antibiotics isn't the only environmental argument for veganism.
They are the only one that makes sense even after you do some research.
You seem to arbitrarily draw the line on this issue whenever it suits you.
No, I am not.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Which word?
They're talking about rationality from an *economic* perspective.
Why would it be different in other social sciences?
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So, FA, why won't you give us the actual links to your "published" papers?
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So, FA, why won't you give us the actual links to your "published" papers?
Because, as far as I know, they aren't available on the Internet. And me uploading them to the Internet right now, without the permission of the publishers, is an obvious violation of the copyright laws. I've uploaded a version of my computer science paper (https://github.com/FlatAssembler/ArithmeticExpressionCompiler/raw/master/seminar/PojednostavljeniSeminar.pdf) before I submitted it to the journal (I reedited it since), so I linked to it here. The final version of my computer science paper should be available on-line in a few weeks or months.
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Because, as far as I know, they aren't available on the Internet.
Of course, a journal with no internet presence. ::) Presumably the journals are written using quill and ink pots then are distributed by men on horseback?
OK, why don't you just tell us the name of the journal and the article reference so we can find it ourselves.
I'm guessing you are dancing around as either
a) You've not had anything published.
b) It was in pay to play journal, and therefore meaningless.
Which is it?
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Because, as far as I know, they aren't available on the Internet.
Of course, a journal with no internet presence. ::) Presumably the journals are written using quill and ink pots then are distributed by men on horseback?
OK, why don't you just tell us the name of the journal and the article reference so we can find it ourselves.
I'm guessing you are dancing around as either
a) You've not had anything published.
b) It was in pay to play journal, and therefore meaningless.
Which is it?
As I just found out, it's actually available on the Internet, here (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjPlMvMkNXrAhUB6aQKHfamDRIQFjACegQIAhAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhrvati.icb.at%2Ftekstovi%2Fregionalne%2520studije%2520-%2520%2Fregion%25C3%25A1lis%2520XI%2520k%25C3%25B6tet.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3VWCVxoIl7EY3WBFTaTa-q) on page 70.
And, no, it's not a pay-to-publish journal, and they don't publish just about anything. They requested me to re-edit it multiple times before (it took me months) before they agreed to publish it.
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Back on topic. Are you satisfied that Vladimir Putin exists or are you still hung up on the etymology of his name?
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
I didn't claim that it was common name. I asked why you think that it shouldn't be a reasonable name.
But since you asked:
A common name throughout Russia, Vladimir is featured in novels by Turgenev and Pushkin.
Have some better source? This one is obviously unreliable, "Vladimir" definitely doesn't mean "renowned prince", the Russian word for "prince" is князь ("kniazy", from the same root as English "king") or принц ("prints", from Latin "princeps").
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
I didn't claim that it was common name. I asked why you think that it shouldn't be a reasonable name.
But since you asked:
A common name throughout Russia, Vladimir is featured in novels by Turgenev and Pushkin.
Have some better source? This one is obviously unreliable, "Vladimir" definitely doesn't mean "renowned prince", the Russian word for "prince" is князь ("kniazy", from the same root as English "king") or принц ("prints", from Latin "princeps").
Is this wrong?
Gender Masculine
Usage Russian, Serbian, Croatian, Bulgarian, Macedonian, Slovene, Medieval Slavic [1]
Scripts Владимир(Russian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Macedonian)
Pronounced vlu-DYEE-myir(Russian) VLA-dee-meer(Serbian, Croatian) [key · IPA]
Meaning & History
Derived from the Slavic element vladeti "rule" combined with meru "great, famous". The second element has also been associated with miru meaning "peace, world". This was the name of an 11th-century grand prince of Kiev who is venerated as a saint because of his efforts to Christianize his realm (Kievan Rus). It was also borne by the founder of the former Soviet state, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (1870-1924).
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
I didn't claim that it was common name. I asked why you think that it shouldn't be a reasonable name.
But since you asked:
A common name throughout Russia, Vladimir is featured in novels by Turgenev and Pushkin.
Have some better source? This one is obviously unreliable, "Vladimir" definitely doesn't mean "renowned prince", the Russian word for "prince" is князь ("kniazy", from the same root as English "king") or принц ("prints", from Latin "princeps").
Is this wrong?
Gender Masculine
Usage Russian, Serbian, Croatian, Bulgarian, Macedonian, Slovene, Medieval Slavic [1]
Scripts Владимир(Russian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Macedonian)
Pronounced vlu-DYEE-myir(Russian) VLA-dee-meer(Serbian, Croatian) [key · IPA]
Meaning & History
Derived from the Slavic element vladeti "rule" combined with meru "great, famous". The second element has also been associated with miru meaning "peace, world". This was the name of an 11th-century grand prince of Kiev who is venerated as a saint because of his efforts to Christianize his realm (Kievan Rus). It was also borne by the founder of the former Soviet state, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (1870-1924).
I suppose most of that is correct. But "Lenin" is generally accepted not to be Lenin's real name, so why assume "Vladimir" is?
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
I didn't claim that it was common name. I asked why you think that it shouldn't be a reasonable name.
But since you asked:
A common name throughout Russia, Vladimir is featured in novels by Turgenev and Pushkin.
Have some better source? This one is obviously unreliable, "Vladimir" definitely doesn't mean "renowned prince", the Russian word for "prince" is князь ("kniazy", from the same root as English "king") or принц ("prints", from Latin "princeps").
Regardless of the origin or meaning of the name, the name Vladimir Putin is used to identify the current leader of Russia. I don't understand what you're confused about.
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
I didn't claim that it was common name. I asked why you think that it shouldn't be a reasonable name.
But since you asked:
A common name throughout Russia, Vladimir is featured in novels by Turgenev and Pushkin.
Have some better source? This one is obviously unreliable, "Vladimir" definitely doesn't mean "renowned prince", the Russian word for "prince" is князь ("kniazy", from the same root as English "king") or принц ("prints", from Latin "princeps").
Is this wrong?
Gender Masculine
Usage Russian, Serbian, Croatian, Bulgarian, Macedonian, Slovene, Medieval Slavic [1]
Scripts Владимир(Russian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Macedonian)
Pronounced vlu-DYEE-myir(Russian) VLA-dee-meer(Serbian, Croatian) [key · IPA]
Meaning & History
Derived from the Slavic element vladeti "rule" combined with meru "great, famous". The second element has also been associated with miru meaning "peace, world". This was the name of an 11th-century grand prince of Kiev who is venerated as a saint because of his efforts to Christianize his realm (Kievan Rus). It was also borne by the founder of the former Soviet state, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (1870-1924).
I suppose most of that is correct. But "Lenin" is generally accepted not to be Lenin's real name, so why assume "Vladimir" is?
I'm wildly confused too. What does the etymology of a name have to do with whether the human with that name exists or not, in present time?
Are you saying the human Putin doesn't exist because of some sort of notion around where his fist name comes from centuries ago? How does that make sense? What is your point exactly?
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
I didn't claim that it was common name. I asked why you think that it shouldn't be a reasonable name.
But since you asked:
A common name throughout Russia, Vladimir is featured in novels by Turgenev and Pushkin.
Have some better source? This one is obviously unreliable, "Vladimir" definitely doesn't mean "renowned prince", the Russian word for "prince" is князь ("kniazy", from the same root as English "king") or принц ("prints", from Latin "princeps").
Regardless of the origin or meaning of the name, the name Vladimir Putin is used to identify the current leader of Russia. I don't understand what you're confused about.
I simply find it unbelievable that a person who rules half of the world is named "ruler of the world". Unless it's a super-common name where he was born.
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
I didn't claim that it was common name. I asked why you think that it shouldn't be a reasonable name.
But since you asked:
A common name throughout Russia, Vladimir is featured in novels by Turgenev and Pushkin.
Have some better source? This one is obviously unreliable, "Vladimir" definitely doesn't mean "renowned prince", the Russian word for "prince" is князь ("kniazy", from the same root as English "king") or принц ("prints", from Latin "princeps").
Regardless of the origin or meaning of the name, the name Vladimir Putin is used to identify the current leader of Russia. I don't understand what you're confused about.
I simply find it unbelievable that a person who rules half of the world is named "ruler of the world". Unless it's a super-common name.
You have no idea how search engines work, do you?
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+vladimir+a+common+name&iie=1
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
I didn't claim that it was common name. I asked why you think that it shouldn't be a reasonable name.
But since you asked:
A common name throughout Russia, Vladimir is featured in novels by Turgenev and Pushkin.
Have some better source? This one is obviously unreliable, "Vladimir" definitely doesn't mean "renowned prince", the Russian word for "prince" is князь ("kniazy", from the same root as English "king") or принц ("prints", from Latin "princeps").
Regardless of the origin or meaning of the name, the name Vladimir Putin is used to identify the current leader of Russia. I don't understand what you're confused about.
I simply find it unbelievable that a person who rules half of the world is named "ruler of the world". Unless it's a super-common name where he was born.
You leap to the notion that the human with that name must not exist because the coincidence is too much of a coincidence? Seriously? That's very, very odd and downright silly. Especially when there's kind of a lot of evidence the human exists regardless of the name. Don't you think the overwhelming evidence of Putin being the president of Russia completely obliterates any notions regarding his name origin and its effect on his existence?
There's a term for this:
An aptronym, aptonym, or euonym is a personal name aptly or peculiarly suited to its owner.
Here's a list of aptronyms:
Jules Angst, German professor of psychiatry, who has published works about anxiety (angst)[4]
Michael Ball, English footballer[5]
Colin Bass, British bassist in the rock band Camel[4]
Lance Bass, bass singer for the American pop boy band NSYNC[6]
Mickey Bass, American bassist and musician[7]
Sara Blizzard, meteorologist (television weather presenter) for the BBC[4]
Usain Bolt, Jamaican sprinter[8]
Doug Bowser, president of Nintendo of America (Bowser)[9]
Russell Brain, 1st Baron Brain, neurologist[10]
Rosalind Brewer, executive at Starbucks and a former director at Molson Coors Brewing Company[11][12]
Christopher Coke, drug lord and cocaine trafficker[13]
Margaret Court, Australian tennis player[5]
Corona Rintawan, Indonesian physician who leads Muhammadiyah's command center for the COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic[14]
Thomas Crapper, sanitary engineer[5][15]
Josh Earnest, the third press secretary for the Obama Administration[16]
Rich Fairbank, billionaire and CEO of the Capital One bank, which holds the Fairbanking Mark for offering fair banking products[17][18]
Cecil Fielder and Prince Fielder, baseball players (fielder)[19]
Amy Freeze, American meteorologist[20]
William Headline, Washington Bureau Chief for CNN[21]
Igor Judge, English judge and Lord Chief Justice[22]
Richard and Mildred Loving, plaintiffs in Loving v. Virginia, which legalized interracial marriage throughout the United States[23]
Auguste and Louis Lumière, pioneering 19th century filmmakers (lumière means "light" in French)[24]
Chris Moneymaker, American poker player and 2003 World Series of Poker champion[25]
Josh Outman, baseball pitcher[26]
Francine Prose, American novelist[27]
Jonathan Quick, American professional ice hockey goaltender for the Los Angeles Kings of the National Hockey League[28]
Bob Rock, Canadian music producer best known for his works with rock acts such as Metallica and Aerosmith[29]
Marilyn vos Savant, American columnist who has been cited for having the world's highest-recorded IQ (savant)[30]
Larry Speakes, acting White House Press Secretary for the White House under President Ronald Reagan[31]
Scott Speed, an American racecar driver who has raced in a variety of motorsport, including Formula One and Formula E[32][33][34]
Anthony Weiner, American politician involved in sexting scandals[20]
John Minor Wisdom, American judge[7]
William Wordsworth, English poet and advocate for the extension of British copyright law[35][36][5]
Early Wynn, baseball pitcher, member of the 300 win club[37]
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Does anyone really think that parents put this much effort into naming their babies?
No, I am saying that "Vladimir Putin" is probably not the real name (given to him by his parents) of the president of Russia.
Why not? Isn't Vladimir a perfectly reasonable name to give a Russian baby boy born in in the early 1950s?
Do you have some citation for the claim that Vladimir is a common name in Russia?
I didn't claim that it was common name. I asked why you think that it shouldn't be a reasonable name.
But since you asked:
A common name throughout Russia, Vladimir is featured in novels by Turgenev and Pushkin.
Have some better source? This one is obviously unreliable, "Vladimir" definitely doesn't mean "renowned prince", the Russian word for "prince" is князь ("kniazy", from the same root as English "king") or принц ("prints", from Latin "princeps").
Regardless of the origin or meaning of the name, the name Vladimir Putin is used to identify the current leader of Russia. I don't understand what you're confused about.
I simply find it unbelievable that a person who rules half of the world is named "ruler of the world". Unless it's a super-common name.
You have no idea how search engines work, do you?
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+vladimir+a+common+name&iie=1
Well, I know something about search engines, I've published one computer science paper (https://github.com/FlatAssembler/ArithmeticExpressionCompiler/raw/master/seminar/PojednostavljeniSeminar.pdf) in a peer-reviewed journal.
Are you suggesting one Google search can compete with the research made by somebody who has published a few peer-reviewed papers about linguistics, and about the meanings of names (onomastics) specifically? Well, that's rather insulting?
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No one believes you've published a peer reviewed article in a legitimate journal. Besides, you are appealing to your own authority, which no one believes you have.
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No one believes you've published a peer reviewed article in a legitimate journal. Besides, you are appealing to your own authority, which no one believes you have.
It's actually available on the Internet, here (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjPlMvMkNXrAhUB6aQKHfamDRIQFjACegQIAhAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhrvati.icb.at%2Ftekstovi%2Fregionalne%2520studije%2520-%2520%2Fregion%25C3%25A1lis%2520XI%2520k%25C3%25B6tet.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3VWCVxoIl7EY3WBFTaTa-q) on page 70.
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No one believes you've published a peer reviewed article in a legitimate journal. Besides, you are appealing to your own authority, which no one believes you have.
It's actually available on the Internet, here (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjPlMvMkNXrAhUB6aQKHfamDRIQFjACegQIAhAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhrvati.icb.at%2Ftekstovi%2Fregionalne%2520studije%2520-%2520%2Fregion%25C3%25A1lis%2520XI%2520k%25C3%25B6tet.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3VWCVxoIl7EY3WBFTaTa-q) on page 70.
FlatAss. With your given name does its meaning reflect your life?
I named my kids their names because I liked them. Maybe Vladimir Putins parents thought it sounded good. Not many people give 2 hoots in hell as to the 'meaning' of a name. I don't even know what 'Kaidan' is meant to mean. I just thought it sounded cool and the character was a bad ass in the Mass Effect computer game. Certainly better than that Ashley space racist bitch. Made sure I left her to die on Virmire YEAH!!
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No one believes you've published a peer reviewed article in a legitimate journal. Besides, you are appealing to your own authority, which no one believes you have.
It's actually available on the Internet, here (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjPlMvMkNXrAhUB6aQKHfamDRIQFjACegQIAhAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhrvati.icb.at%2Ftekstovi%2Fregionalne%2520studije%2520-%2520%2Fregion%25C3%25A1lis%2520XI%2520k%25C3%25B6tet.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3VWCVxoIl7EY3WBFTaTa-q) on page 70.
I can also link to things on the internet and claim I wrote them. Look, I have written a sacred text https://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm
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Well, I know something about search engines, I've published one computer science paper (https://github.com/FlatAssembler/ArithmeticExpressionCompiler/raw/master/seminar/PojednostavljeniSeminar.pdf) in a peer-reviewed journal.
Then you should be aware of how useful search engines can be for research.
Are you suggesting one Google search can compete with the research made by somebody who has published a few peer-reviewed papers about linguistics, and about the meanings of names (onomastics) specifically?
For a simple question like "how common is the name Vladimir?", then yes.
Well, that's rather insulting?
Are you asking me or are you telling me?
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No one believes you've published a peer reviewed article in a legitimate journal. Besides, you are appealing to your own authority, which no one believes you have.
It's actually available on the Internet, here (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjPlMvMkNXrAhUB6aQKHfamDRIQFjACegQIAhAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhrvati.icb.at%2Ftekstovi%2Fregionalne%2520studije%2520-%2520%2Fregion%25C3%25A1lis%2520XI%2520k%25C3%25B6tet.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3VWCVxoIl7EY3WBFTaTa-q) on page 70.
FlatAss. With your given name does its meaning reflect your life?
I named my kids their names because I liked them. Maybe Vladimir Putins parents thought it sounded good. Not many people give 2 hoots in hell as to the 'meaning' of a name. I don't even know what 'Kaidan' is meant to mean. I just thought it sounded cool and the character was a bad ass in the Mass Effect computer game. Certainly better than that Ashley space racist bitch. Made sure I left her to die on Virmire YEAH!!
Well, as I've written about my name on my website:
I am Teo Samaržija pronunciation from Croatia, born in 1999.
Short version: The ž is pronounced as g in garage and s in vision, the j is pronounced as y in yes.
More about my name: My name is pronounced TAY-aw sah-MAHR-zhi-yah, not TAY-yaw SAH-mahr-jee-ah, as many Croatians mispronounce it when they see it written. Google Translate pronounces the Japanese Katakana string of characters テオ・サマージヤ very close to the way my name is actually pronounced. Both my name and my surname come from Greek. My name is the short form of the Greek name Θεοδωρος, meaning gift from God. My surname comes from the Greek word σαμαριον, meaning one who makes seats for horseriding.
My name is rather ironic. First of all, I don't speak a word of Greek. My father, who is a historian, tells me that our family came from Greece to Croatia in the 16th century in face of the Ottoman invasion, and that one of our ancestors fought on the Croatian side during the Battle of Szigetvar in 1566. Second, I think that God, as is usually imagined, is an incoherent concept, and I think that horseriding today is just animal abuse.
My name tells nothing about me at all. The name "Vladimir" appears to tell quite a lot about Vladimir Putin, that is to suggest it's fake.
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No one believes you've published a peer reviewed article in a legitimate journal. Besides, you are appealing to your own authority, which no one believes you have.
It's actually available on the Internet, here (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjPlMvMkNXrAhUB6aQKHfamDRIQFjACegQIAhAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhrvati.icb.at%2Ftekstovi%2Fregionalne%2520studije%2520-%2520%2Fregion%25C3%25A1lis%2520XI%2520k%25C3%25B6tet.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3VWCVxoIl7EY3WBFTaTa-q) on page 70.
I can also link to things on the internet and claim I wrote them. Look, I have written a sacred text https://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm
Obviously you didn't write it, because it's a text from 1881.
The text I've linked to has my name and the name of the university I am studying at, at the end of it:
Teo Samaržija
Sveučilište Josipa Jurja Strossmayera u Osijeku
Studij Elektrotehnike i računarstva
Whom else could it refer to but me?
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Never heard the name Teo before. I don't know any Teos.
You are obviously fake
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Is your name FlatAssembler?
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Probably not, no.
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Never heard the name Teo before. I don't know any Teos.
You are obviously fake
Well, yeah, it's not a common name. It's short for Greek "Theodoros", meaning "gift from God". But it's not nearly as incredibly ironic as the name of the current president of Russia (meaning "ruler of the world") is.
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Never heard the name Teo before. I don't know any Teos.
You are obviously fake
Well, yeah, it's not a common name. It's short for Greek "Theodoros", meaning "gift from God". But it's not nearly as incredibly ironic as the name of the current president of Russia (meaning "ruler of the world") is.
You are no gift. You are a smite!
Oh the irony
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FlatAssembler doesn't exist.
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FlatAssembler doesn't exist.
FlatAssembler isn't my real name any more than "Space Cowgirl" is your real name. And we are not claiming those are our real names, though they may appear ironic. Vladimir Putin claims "Vladimir" (ruler of the world) is his real name.
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FlatAssembler doesn't exist.
FlatAssembler isn't my real name any more than "Space Cowgirl" is your real name. And we are not claiming those are our real names, though they may appear ironic. Vladimir Putin claims "Vladimir" (ruler of the world) is his real name.
Do you claim your name, Teo, 'Gods Gift' to be your real name? Are you seriously a gift from God? What if your parents named you Vladimir? Would you be ruling the world by now?
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FlatAssembler doesn't exist.
FlatAssembler isn't my real name any more than "Space Cowgirl" is your real name. And we are not claiming those are our real names, though they may appear ironic. Vladimir Putin claims "Vladimir" (ruler of the world) is his real name.
Do you claim your name, Teo, 'Gods Gift' to be your real name?
His mother was clearly being ironic.
Which means he doesn't exist, as people with ironic names can't exist. And with that, FlatAssembler disappeared in a puff of logic.
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FlatAssembler doesn't exist.
FlatAssembler isn't my real name any more than "Space Cowgirl" is your real name. And we are not claiming those are our real names, though they may appear ironic. Vladimir Putin claims "Vladimir" (ruler of the world) is his real name.
Do you claim your name, Teo, 'Gods Gift' to be your real name? Are you seriously a gift from God? What if your parents named you Vladimir? Would you be ruling the world by now?
I don't believe I am a gift for God, because I don't believe in God.
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FlatAssembler doesn't exist.
FlatAssembler isn't my real name any more than "Space Cowgirl" is your real name. And we are not claiming those are our real names, though they may appear ironic. Vladimir Putin claims "Vladimir" (ruler of the world) is his real name.
Do you claim your name, Teo, 'Gods Gift' to be your real name? Are you seriously a gift from God? What if your parents named you Vladimir? Would you be ruling the world by now?
I don't believe I am a gift for God, because I don't believe in God.
What has this got to do with whether you exist or not? You clearly don't.
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Both my mother and father were called Vladimir, my dog was Ralf.
Your mother and father were both lesbians? Maybe your dog impregnated both of them.
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But it's not nearly as incredibly ironic as the name of the current president of Russia (meaning "ruler of the world") is.
If Vladimir Putin is not a real person, then who is the current leader of Russia?
I don't believe I am a gift for God, because I don't believe in God.
Oh, then you have an ironic name. What are the odds of that?
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FlatAssembler doesn't exist.
FlatAssembler isn't my real name any more than "Space Cowgirl" is your real name. And we are not claiming those are our real names, though they may appear ironic. Vladimir Putin claims "Vladimir" (ruler of the world) is his real name.
You didn't ask if Vladimir Putin is his real name, you asked if he exists. People change their names. Do women who change their name when they get married cease to exist? Do people who hate their name cease to exist if they legally change it?
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Both my mother and father were called Vladimir, my dog was Ralf.
Your mother and father were both lesbians? Maybe your dog impregnated both of them.
Who has activated the hoppy bot? His inane one-liners have suddenly started infecting the forum again.
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I met a girl named Serenity. I think that was wishful thinking on her parent's part.
Jesus is a fairly common name in Mexico, but I don't think that any of them are the prophesied second coming.
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And with that, FlatAssembler disappeared in a puff of logic.
Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys.
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Both my mother and father were called Vladimir, my dog was Ralf.
Your mother and father were both lesbians? Maybe your dog impregnated both of them.
Who has activated the hoppy bot? His inane one-liners have suddenly started infecting the forum again.
I think its learning algorithms have latched on to Diddum's projecting his sexuality problems onto others, that mixed with its Trump retardation memes is bound to cause conflict. I predict a melt down.
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Never heard the name Teo before. I don't know any Teos.
You are obviously fake
Well, yeah, it's not a common name. It's short for Greek "Theodoros", meaning "gift from God". But it's not nearly as incredibly ironic as the name of the current president of Russia (meaning "ruler of the world") is.
It's not really that ironic. It would be if the meaning of his name was "Ruler of Russia". And I gave you a list of like 30 real people names that are ironic, there's even a term for it. Do all of those people not exist as well?
There's no way you exist. Because no one claiming to be a linguistic would come up with the dumbest notion ever that if someone's name in the current era is slightly ironic they must not exist because of it.
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And with that, FlatAssembler disappeared in a puff of logic.
Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys.
Glad you got the reference :-*
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And with that, FlatAssembler disappeared in a puff of logic.
Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys.
Glad you got the reference :-*
Well, that about wraps it up for FlatAss
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FlatAssembler doesn't exist.
FlatAssembler isn't my real name any more than "Space Cowgirl" is your real name. And we are not claiming those are our real names, though they may appear ironic. Vladimir Putin claims "Vladimir" (ruler of the world) is his real name.
You didn't ask if Vladimir Putin is his real name, you asked if he exists. People change their names. Do women who change their name when they get married cease to exist? Do people who hate their name cease to exist if they legally change it?
Well, yes, we could say that Vladimir Putin exists in the sense that there is a person who uses that name, but not in the sense that it's somebody's real name. And, what do you think, was "Teuta" the real name of the Illyrian queen? Most linguists, as far as I can tell, agree that it wasn't, that it was far more likely a title meaning "mistress of the people".
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Well, yes, we could say that Vladimir Putin exists in the sense that there is a person who uses that name, but not in the sense that it's somebody's real name.
So, do you have any evidence at all that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was given a different name by his parents?
And, what do you think, was "Teuta" the real name of the Illyrian queen? Most linguists, as far as I can tell, agree that it wasn't, that it was far more likely a title meaning "mistress of the people".
What has that got to do with anything?
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Well, yes, we could say that Vladimir Putin exists in the sense that there is a person who uses that name, but not in the sense that it's somebody's real name.
So, do you have any evidence at all that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was given a different name by his parents?
And, what do you think, was "Teuta" the real name of the Illyrian queen? Most linguists, as far as I can tell, agree that it wasn't, that it was far more likely a title meaning "mistress of the people".
What has that got to do with anything?
If it's reasonable to believe that Teuta(na) was her title rather than a name because Teuta(na) probably meant something like "mistress of the people" in Illyrian, as James Mallory claims in Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture, then it's also reasonable to believe "Vladimir" isn't Vladimir Putin's real name. In fact, the case can be made even stronger, because we know for certain what "Vladimir" means in Russian, whereas we can't know for certain what Teuta(na) meant in Illyrian.
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So, do you have any evidence at all that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was given a different name by his parents?
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So, do you have any evidence at all that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was given a different name by his parents?
The irony in the name "Vladimir" is evidence, isn't it? That is, if the irony in the name Teuta(na) is evidence that wasn't her real name.
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So, do you have any evidence at all that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was given a different name by his parents?
The irony in the name "Vladimir" is evidence, isn't it?
No, absolutely not.
It's not even ironic anyway. If his name meant "Peasant with no power" or similar, then it would be ironic. A powerful person with a name that means "powerful person" is not irony.
If you are claiming he has changed his name, then you need to indicate when that happened and what evidence you have.
You know his father was also called Vladimir Putin? He was a lowly cook*. I suppose that might be considered ironic, if you really want to go that way.
* Though he was a cook for Vladimir Lenin, who I guess didn't exist either.
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So, do you have any evidence at all that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was given a different name by his parents?
The irony in the name "Vladimir" is evidence, isn't it?
No, absolutely not.
It's not even ironic anyway. If his name meant "Peasant with no power" or similar, then it would be ironic. A powerful person with a name that means "powerful person" is not irony.
If you are claiming he has changed his name, then you need to indicate when that happened and what evidence you have.
You know his father was also called Vladimir Putin? He was a lowly cook*. I suppose that might be considered ironic, if you really want to go that way.
* Though he was a cook for Vladimir Lenin, who I guess didn't exist either.
So, you think James Mallory was wrong when suggesting Teuta(na) wasn't the real name of the famous Illyrian queen, because Teuta(na) probably meant "mistress of the people" in Illyrian?
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Does FlatAssembler exist?
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Does FlatAssembler exist?
It really depends on what you mean by "FlatAssembler" and what you mean by "exist". Does "Space Cowgirl" exist?
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I post, therefore I am.
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So, do you have any evidence at all that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was given a different name by his parents?
The irony in the name "Vladimir" is evidence, isn't it?
No, absolutely not.
It's not even ironic anyway. If his name meant "Peasant with no power" or similar, then it would be ironic. A powerful person with a name that means "powerful person" is not irony.
If you are claiming he has changed his name, then you need to indicate when that happened and what evidence you have.
You know his father was also called Vladimir Putin? He was a lowly cook*. I suppose that might be considered ironic, if you really want to go that way.
* Though he was a cook for Vladimir Lenin, who I guess didn't exist either.
So, you think James Mallory was wrong when suggesting Teuta(na) wasn't the real name of the famous Illyrian queen, because Teuta(na) probably meant "mistress of the people" in Illyrian?
We are not talking about a Balkan queen from over 2000 years ago, it's irrelevant.
I have noticed how you dodge and deflect and totally avoid addressing any points I made.
I'll try again: have you any evidence that Vladimir Putin was given a different name by his parents and not actually named after his father?
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Does "Space Cowgirl" exist?
Space Cowgirls exist.
(https://i.imgur.com/BYSfgOJ.jpeg)
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So, do you have any evidence at all that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was given a different name by his parents?
The irony in the name "Vladimir" is evidence, isn't it?
No, absolutely not.
It's not even ironic anyway. If his name meant "Peasant with no power" or similar, then it would be ironic. A powerful person with a name that means "powerful person" is not irony.
If you are claiming he has changed his name, then you need to indicate when that happened and what evidence you have.
You know his father was also called Vladimir Putin? He was a lowly cook*. I suppose that might be considered ironic, if you really want to go that way.
* Though he was a cook for Vladimir Lenin, who I guess didn't exist either.
So, you think James Mallory was wrong when suggesting Teuta(na) wasn't the real name of the famous Illyrian queen, because Teuta(na) probably meant "mistress of the people" in Illyrian?
We are not talking about a Balkan queen from over 2000 years ago, it's irrelevant.
I have noticed how you dodge and deflect and totally avoid addressing any points I made.
I'll try again: have you any evidence that Vladimir Putin was given a different name by his parents and not actually named after his father?
I think I have slightly more evidence than Mallory has for his claim that "Teuta(na)" wasn't her real name. Mallory can only guess that "Teuta(na)" meant "mistress of the tribe" in Illyrian, because there is nobody speaking Illyrian to confirm that. On the other hand, I can know for certain that "Vladimir" can be read as "ruler of the world" in Russian.
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So, do you have any evidence at all that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was given a different name by his parents?
The irony in the name "Vladimir" is evidence, isn't it?
No, absolutely not.
It's not even ironic anyway. If his name meant "Peasant with no power" or similar, then it would be ironic. A powerful person with a name that means "powerful person" is not irony.
If you are claiming he has changed his name, then you need to indicate when that happened and what evidence you have.
You know his father was also called Vladimir Putin? He was a lowly cook*. I suppose that might be considered ironic, if you really want to go that way.
* Though he was a cook for Vladimir Lenin, who I guess didn't exist either.
So, you think James Mallory was wrong when suggesting Teuta(na) wasn't the real name of the famous Illyrian queen, because Teuta(na) probably meant "mistress of the people" in Illyrian?
We are not talking about a Balkan queen from over 2000 years ago, it's irrelevant.
I have noticed how you dodge and deflect and totally avoid addressing any points I made.
I'll try again: have you any evidence that Vladimir Putin was given a different name by his parents and not actually named after his father?
I think I have slightly more evidence than Mallory has for his claim that "Teuta(na)" wasn't her real name. Mallory can only guess that "Teuta(na)" meant "mistress of the tribe" in Illyrian, because there is nobody speaking Illyrian to confirm that. On the other hand, I can know for certain that "Vladimir" can be read as "ruler of the world" in Russian.
Why are you not answering the question? Have you gone from Putin doesn't exist because his name is slightly ironic to he does exist, but changed his name to reflect his position? If so, where's the evidence for the name change?
As pointed out several times, President of Russia Vladimir Putin's dad's name was Vladimir Spiridonovich Putin. Does that offer you any insight?
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So, do you have any evidence at all that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was given a different name by his parents?
The irony in the name "Vladimir" is evidence, isn't it?
Not as ironic as all of the people named "Vladimir" who aren't leader of the world.
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So, do you have any evidence at all that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was given a different name by his parents?
The irony in the name "Vladimir" is evidence, isn't it?
No, absolutely not.
It's not even ironic anyway. If his name meant "Peasant with no power" or similar, then it would be ironic. A powerful person with a name that means "powerful person" is not irony.
If you are claiming he has changed his name, then you need to indicate when that happened and what evidence you have.
You know his father was also called Vladimir Putin? He was a lowly cook*. I suppose that might be considered ironic, if you really want to go that way.
* Though he was a cook for Vladimir Lenin, who I guess didn't exist either.
So, you think James Mallory was wrong when suggesting Teuta(na) wasn't the real name of the famous Illyrian queen, because Teuta(na) probably meant "mistress of the people" in Illyrian?
We are not talking about a Balkan queen from over 2000 years ago, it's irrelevant.
I have noticed how you dodge and deflect and totally avoid addressing any points I made.
I'll try again: have you any evidence that Vladimir Putin was given a different name by his parents and not actually named after his father?
I think I have slightly more evidence than Mallory has for his claim that "Teuta(na)" wasn't her real name. Mallory can only guess that "Teuta(na)" meant "mistress of the tribe" in Illyrian, because there is nobody speaking Illyrian to confirm that. On the other hand, I can know for certain that "Vladimir" can be read as "ruler of the world" in Russian.
OK, so you do not have evidence Vladimir Putin was given a different name by his parents.
/thread
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If Vladimir Putin was named after his father (not at all uncommon in pretty much any society), then it's very possible that his father was named after Vladimir Lenin. After all, how better to show your patriotism than to name your first born son after a hero of the revolution?
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Does "Space Cowgirl" exist?
Space Cowgirls exist.
(https://i.imgur.com/BYSfgOJ.jpeg)
Bring back Firefly. Great show!