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Title: The largest number game!
Post by: Pezevenk on August 20, 2020, 06:15:52 AM
This is a thread about notating a larger number than the previous poster. That's it.

Well, there's a few more rules.
1) You don't have to actually write it down. You just have to appropriately describe it.
2) Your description must correspond to one and only one natural number.
3) You can't use primitive semantic vocabulary. That means you can only use mathematical symbols to describe the number. You can explain what the symbols mean but you have to figure out how to write down what you want to say with mathematical symbols.
4) It's better if you prove that your number is larger than the previous one. For some really large numbers, it may be a bit difficult to figure out which is larger. You can just nominate your number and I will try to figure out if it really is bigger than the previous one.

It is actually possible to win the game. To win the game all you have to do is find a number which no one can figure out how to make larger IN A MEANINGFUL WAY for at least a week.

By "in a meaningful way" I mean that answers such as simply adding 1 to that number, or multiplying it, or just using whatever the previous poster used but one more time, it's not really larger in a meaningful way. Of course that rule is highly subjective and we can collectively decide who came up with the most impressive number.

Anyways, I'll start: 1
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Psychomech on August 20, 2020, 06:31:41 AM
The first prime number.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: JJA on August 20, 2020, 06:32:53 AM
The first prime number.

One more than the previous post.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Psychomech on August 20, 2020, 06:48:56 AM
The first prime squared.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Pezevenk on August 20, 2020, 02:29:20 PM
The first prime squared.
Well, you should be using mathematical notation, but it's OK, I'll let it pass.

Now for the largest number I can think of:

100
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: JJA on August 20, 2020, 02:35:42 PM
The first prime squared.
Well, you should be using mathematical notation, but it's OK, I'll let it pass.

Now for the largest number I can think of:

100

My larger number is 100.

In base 11.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Pezevenk on August 20, 2020, 04:41:33 PM
The first prime squared.
Well, you should be using mathematical notation, but it's OK, I'll let it pass.

Now for the largest number I can think of:

100

My larger number is 100.

In base 11.

121 then. Alright. What if I do 121 in base 100 then?

(and yes, I mean 1 2 1, not 1 21 or 12 1 or anything like that. So number is 10000+200+1=10201 translated to regular base 10).
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 21, 2020, 07:13:29 AM
Googolplexian(Googolplexian)


(10(10(10100)))(10(10(10100)))

A googol is 10100

A googolplex is 1 with a googol of zeros or mathematically: 10(10100)

A googolplexian is 1 with a googleplex of zeros or mathematically: 10(10(10100))


Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: JJA on August 21, 2020, 07:32:01 AM
As soon as this thread started I wondered how many posts it would be until the googol showed up.

We now know the answer is 7.

So my number is: googolplexian + 7
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 21, 2020, 10:08:06 AM
As soon as this thread started I wondered how many posts it would be until the googol showed up.

We now know the answer is 7.

So my number is: googolplexian + 7

You didn't follow the rules, that's not larger than my number which is a googolplexian to the googolplexian power
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: JJA on August 21, 2020, 10:09:16 AM
As soon as this thread started I wondered how many posts it would be until the googol showed up.

We now know the answer is 7.

So my number is: googolplexian + 7

You didn't follow the rules, that's not larger than my number which is a googolplexian to the googolplexian power

Right, got careless in my reply there.  But your post doesn't have a number. :)

To correct for my mistake: Googolplexian(Googolplexian) + 7

For your post: Googolplexian(Googolplexian) + 8

For THIS post: Googolplexian(Googolplexian) + 9
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: markjo on August 21, 2020, 10:24:27 AM
Googolplexian(Googolplexian) + 10
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: boydster on August 21, 2020, 11:43:40 AM
Googolplexian(Googolplexian) + Googolplexian
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Shifter on August 21, 2020, 02:29:43 PM
Graham's number
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 21, 2020, 03:00:15 PM
Oh, shit, another counting game.   ;D
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: markjo on August 21, 2020, 04:24:57 PM
GoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexian
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: JJA on August 21, 2020, 04:57:17 PM
GoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexian!
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Shifter on August 21, 2020, 08:14:10 PM
This is a thread about notating a larger number than the previous poster. That's it.


4) It's better if you prove that your number is larger than the previous one. For some really large numbers, it may be a bit difficult to figure out which is larger. You can just nominate your number and I will try to figure out if it really is bigger than the previous one.

It is actually possible to win the game. To win the game all you have to do is find a number which no one can figure out how to make larger IN A MEANINGFUL WAY for at least a week.

By "in a meaningful way" I mean that answers such as simply adding 1 to that number, or multiplying it, or just using whatever the previous poster used but one more time, it's not really larger in a meaningful way. Of course that rule is highly subjective and we can collectively decide who came up with the most impressive number.

Guys, this thread isn't in complete nonsense so how about sticking to the spirit thd OP asked for?

Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 21, 2020, 10:07:39 PM
+1
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 21, 2020, 10:11:38 PM
.
(https://i.imgur.com/2SzLgv9.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Shifter on August 22, 2020, 12:43:23 AM
+1

Infinity is a concept. Not a number

Also infinity+1 is still infinity
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 22, 2020, 01:05:04 AM
+1

Infinity is a concept. Not a number

Also infinity+1 is still infinity

Also there are more irrational numbers than rational numbers.   
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Shifter on August 22, 2020, 02:34:42 AM
GoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexian!

Still not as big as Grahams number mentioned earlier. The game is about numbers getting bigger, not smaller

Anyway, a number even bigger than Grahams number that's not fooling around

TREE(3)
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 22, 2020, 12:20:50 PM
This number is pretty big . . .

(https://i.imgur.com/zlctkNB.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 22, 2020, 02:14:32 PM
Graham's number

GoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexian!

Still not as big as Grahams number mentioned earlier. The game is about numbers getting bigger, not smaller

Anyway, a number even bigger than Grahams number that's not fooling around

TREE(3)

You have define Graham's Number and TREE(3) mathematically and explain symbols.  Maybe you should read the rules before posting.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Shifter on August 22, 2020, 02:25:56 PM
Graham's number

GoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexian!

Still not as big as Grahams number mentioned earlier. The game is about numbers getting bigger, not smaller

Anyway, a number even bigger than Grahams number that's not fooling around

TREE(3)

You have define Graham's Number and TREE(3) mathematically and explain symbols.  Maybe you should read the rules before posting.

That's like saying define 10. Or a million. Or a googolplexian.

They are all numberss. Graham's number or TREE(3) is still a finite number. It's not a concept. It's valid mathematically

Otherwise you may as well fill the thread with silly googolplexian + 1 replies

Quit your moaning and come up with something larger. I haven't put up the highest number surely
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: markjo on August 22, 2020, 07:56:59 PM
Graham's Number + 1
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Shifter on August 22, 2020, 08:52:39 PM
Graham's Number + 1

TREE(3) is already orders of magnitude larger than Graham's number

So your reply is lower despite your attempt to show off how silly you can be
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Pezevenk on August 23, 2020, 05:09:57 AM
Graham's number

GoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexian!

Still not as big as Grahams number mentioned earlier. The game is about numbers getting bigger, not smaller

Anyway, a number even bigger than Grahams number that's not fooling around

TREE(3)

You have define Graham's Number and TREE(3) mathematically and explain symbols.  Maybe you should read the rules before posting.

That's like saying define 10. Or a million. Or a googolplexian.

They are all numberss. Graham's number or TREE(3) is still a finite number. It's not a concept. It's valid mathematically

Otherwise you may as well fill the thread with silly googolplexian + 1 replies

Quit your moaning and come up with something larger. I haven't put up the highest number surely
Well he's right technically. You were supposed to have to define your numbers using common established mathematical notation. For example to define Graham's number you would have to use Knuth's arrow notation. But no one stuck to that rule so whatever, fuck it lol
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 23, 2020, 06:45:54 AM
Graham's number

GoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexianGoogolplexian!

Still not as big as Grahams number mentioned earlier. The game is about numbers getting bigger, not smaller

Anyway, a number even bigger than Grahams number that's not fooling around

TREE(3)

You have define Graham's Number and TREE(3) mathematically and explain symbols.  Maybe you should read the rules before posting.

That's like saying define 10. Or a million. Or a googolplexian.

They are all numberss. Graham's number or TREE(3) is still a finite number. It's not a concept. It's valid mathematically

Otherwise you may as well fill the thread with silly googolplexian + 1 replies

Quit your moaning and come up with something larger. I haven't put up the highest number surely
Well he's right technically. You were supposed to have to define your numbers using common established mathematical notation. For example to define Graham's number you would have to use Knuth's arrow notation. But no one stuck to that rule so whatever, fuck it lol

I did.  I mathematically defined a googol, a googolplex, and a googolplexian.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: markjo on August 23, 2020, 07:10:44 AM
Graham's Number + 1

TREE(3) is already orders of magnitude larger than Graham's number

So your reply is lower despite your attempt to show off how silly you can be
TREE(4)
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Shifter on August 23, 2020, 08:11:35 AM
Graham's Number + 1

TREE(3) is already orders of magnitude larger than Graham's number

So your reply is lower despite your attempt to show off how silly you can be
TREE(4)

Not a recognised number


You know what, why dont we just skip straight to the end. Past Rayos number. This dude articulates them all pretty good

https://www.quora.com/What-are-Grahams-number-TREE-3-SCG-13-SSCG-3-Rayos-number-and-Fish-Number-7/answer/Ying-Zheng-67

/end thread  :P
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Pezevenk on August 23, 2020, 03:05:45 PM
Graham's Number + 1

TREE(3) is already orders of magnitude larger than Graham's number

So your reply is lower despite your attempt to show off how silly you can be
TREE(4)

Not a recognised number


You know what, why dont we just skip straight to the end. Past Rayos number. This dude articulates them all pretty good

https://www.quora.com/What-are-Grahams-number-TREE-3-SCG-13-SSCG-3-Rayos-number-and-Fish-Number-7/answer/Ying-Zheng-67

/end thread  :P
Eh I already knew the trick of using model theory to write out the largest number expressible using a certain number of symbols. And I actually know how to write it out in mathematical notation but I didn't want to post it because that would just confuse most people. But Rayo's number just uses "just" a googol symbols. You could just chose to use more. Or you could just do Rayo's number +1.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 23, 2020, 03:35:12 PM
We all realize that numbers are just stand in symbols for thoughts and ideas to help explain, regulate and normalize information and relationships, right?

 :D





Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Pezevenk on August 23, 2020, 03:36:19 PM
The numbers aren't the symbols, they are what is being symbolized.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 23, 2020, 03:38:35 PM
The numbers aren't the symbols, they are what is being symbolized.

That's what I meant to say.   ;)
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Pezevenk on August 23, 2020, 04:08:04 PM
The numbers aren't the symbols, they are what is being symbolized.

That's what I meant to say.   ;)
Yeah I figured. But it's an important distinction because it confuses lots of people. When you can't distinguish the map from the territory you run into all sorts of issues, for example being confused about why 0.9999... is the same number as 1 when it comes to math, or getting lost when it comes to navigating.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 23, 2020, 04:25:12 PM

But it's an important distinction because it confuses lots of people.

Did I confuse you?
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Pezevenk on August 23, 2020, 04:39:44 PM

But it's an important distinction because it confuses lots of people.

Did I confuse you?
I've just grown used to pointing it out every time I see it. The internet is full of people with "proofs" that 0.999...=/= 1.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 23, 2020, 05:40:07 PM

But it's an important distinction because it confuses lots of people.

Did I confuse you?
I've just grown used to pointing it out every time I see it. The internet is full of people with "proofs" that 0.999...=/= 1.

It's about precision and approximation. 

Also  0.99999999999999999999999999... is not a large number.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Pezevenk on August 24, 2020, 01:20:08 AM

But it's an important distinction because it confuses lots of people.

Did I confuse you?
I've just grown used to pointing it out every time I see it. The internet is full of people with "proofs" that 0.999...=/= 1.

It's about precision and approximation. 

Also  0.99999999999999999999999999... is not a large number.
See that's the issue, it is not an approximation, it is the same number.

But why do you think it isn't large? Compared to 0.000001 it is pretty large....  ;)
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 24, 2020, 01:34:26 AM

But it's an important distinction because it confuses lots of people.

Did I confuse you?
I've just grown used to pointing it out every time I see it. The internet is full of people with "proofs" that 0.999...=/= 1.

It's about precision and approximation. 

Also  0.99999999999999999999999999... is not a large number.
See that's the issue, it is not an approximation, it is the same number.

But why do you think it isn't large? Compared to 0.000001 it is pretty large....  ;)


It's minute. 
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: JJA on August 25, 2020, 11:36:44 AM
It's minute.

It's hour.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 26, 2020, 04:32:00 AM
It's minute.

It's hour.

adjective not noun. 
Made me lol ;D
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: sokarul on August 27, 2020, 01:25:12 PM
I have a feeling people have been watching numberpile on YouTube.

Here is rayo’s number.

Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: SergeantPepper on September 01, 2020, 06:35:57 AM
A

Where

A=1
while 1=1
do (
A:=A+1
)
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: boydster on September 02, 2020, 11:20:08 AM
A

Where

A=1
while 1=1
do (
A:=A+1
)

How are you storing that value?
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: SergeantPepper on September 02, 2020, 11:36:09 AM
A

Where

A=1
while 1=1
do (
A:=A+1
)

How are you storing that value?
It is a programming language of my own devising. It does what I want it to.
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: JJA on September 02, 2020, 11:37:41 AM
A

Where

A=1
while 1=1
do (
A:=A+1
)

How are you storing that value?

The Ghostwheel computer could probably store a number big enough as it is built across multiple dimensions and can access entire universes as data. Just have to make sure it doesn't reformat our own universe as storage.

You could probably store a big enough number in the singularity running down the center of The Way.  Just have to fight the Jarts for control of it first.

Then again, asking a Culture Mind would likely be the easiest. I'm sure they could build you something or just do it themselves.

Maybe V'ger?
Title: Re: The largest number game!
Post by: Pezevenk on September 03, 2020, 04:54:21 AM
A

Where

A=1
while 1=1
do (
A:=A+1
)

That is not a number. Also not mathematical notation.