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Title: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 16, 2020, 04:15:33 AM
The drawing of this mars rover, curiosity:

(https://marswithoutborders.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/20120802_051340_mars-rover.jpg)

And this one is lunar rover:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Lunar_Rover_diagram.png)

As we can easily see, the engine is not planned here.

Let's take a look at the motion system of rover curiosity from wikipedia:

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Mobility systems: Curiosity is equipped with six 50 cm (20 in) diameter wheels in a rocker-bogie suspension. The suspension system also served as landing gear for the vehicle, unlike its smaller predecessors.[49][50] Each wheel has cleats and is independently actuated and geared, providing for climbing in soft sand and scrambling over rocks. Each front and rear wheel can be independently steered, allowing the vehicle to turn in place as well as execute arcing turns.[33] Each wheel has a pattern that helps it maintain traction but also leaves patterned tracks in the sandy surface of Mars. That pattern is used by on-board cameras to estimate the distance traveled. The pattern itself is Morse code for "JPL" (·--- ·--· ·-··).[51] The rover is capable of climbing sand dunes with slopes up to 12.5°.[52] Based on the center of mass, the vehicle can withstand a tilt of at least 50° in any direction without overturning, but automatic sensors limit the rover from exceeding 30° tilts.[33] After six years of use, the wheels are visibly worn with punctures and tears.[53]
Curiosity can roll over obstacles approaching 65 cm (26 in) in height,[54] and it has a ground clearance of 60 cm (24 in).[55] Based on variables including power levels, terrain difficulty, slippage and visibility, the maximum terrain-traverse speed is estimated to be 200 m (660 ft) per day by automatic navigation.[54] The rover landed about 10 km (6.2 mi) from the base of Mount Sharp,[56] (officially named Aeolis Mons) and it is expected to traverse a minimum of 19 km (12 mi) during its primary two-year mission.[57] It can travel up to 90 m (300 ft) per hour but average speed is about 30 m (98 ft) per hour.[57] The vehicle is 'driven' by several operators led by Vandi Verma, group leader of Autonomous Systems, Mobility and Robotic Systems at JPL,[58][59] who also cowrote the PLEXIL language used to operate the rover.[60][61][62] Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity_(rover)

As we see in the descriptions and drawings here, there is no reference to the engine.

This is a simple car with an electricity motor:

(https://thedriven.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/ev-drive-train.jpg)

As we can see, normally electric vehicles have engines. Because, as we know, an engine is required to convert potential energy into motion energy.

While preparing these rovers, Nasa did not need the engine, electrical energy magically transformed into motion energy on the wheels. High magic technology. Or, Which of you forgot to put an engine in the car? No panic! There are magicians around!

(https://i.imgur.com/DrZn3Eb.png)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 16, 2020, 04:29:15 AM
While preparing these rovers, Nasa did not need the engine, electrical energy magically transformed into motion energy on the wheels. High magic technology. Or, Which of you forgot to put an engine in the car? No panic! There are magicians around!

The Mars rovers did not have an 'engine' as electric motors don't need one.

You can see the wheels turning in this video, and the closeup helps show the motors within each wheel.  You can see the wires feeding power to them quite clearly.

Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Shifter on July 16, 2020, 04:30:47 AM
hahaha, big fail NASA

Also that rover looks like a fragile POS. No way it would survive an entry into a planet and cope with the sand and dust.

I'll be its currently operating out at Area 51. When a photo needs to be taken they just get someone to plonk it somewhere for the best shot. No wonder the government were losing their shit at the thought of people storming it last year. Couldn't have them stumble upon the 'Mars' Rover!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 16, 2020, 04:37:06 AM
hahaha, big fail NASA

Also that rover looks like a fragile POS. No way it would survive an entry into a planet and cope with the sand and dust.

I'll be its currently operating out at Area 51. When a photo needs to be taken they just get someone to plonk it somewhere for the best shot. No wonder the government were losing their shit at the thought of people storming it last year. Couldn't have them stumble upon the 'Mars' Rover!
I think they thought they would not need an engine/motor when they first made the electric vehicle. They thought it would work without a motor, just like television or radio. But electric vehicles were produced, and we know very well that they need the engine, just like any other. This is just one of their countless mispredictions. Maybe after this debunk some people will ask them where the engine is, and they will lose this technology! Oh, "we had this technology, but we lost it". Then they will switch to another technology enforcedly.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: rabinoz on July 16, 2020, 04:51:20 AM
hahaha, big fail NASA
No! It's hahaha, big fail Wise and Shifter!

Curiosity Rover was driven by electric motors (heard of them ;D?) powered by a plutonium Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 16, 2020, 05:01:03 AM
hahaha, big fail NASA
No! It's hahaha, big fail Wise and Shifter!

Curiosity Rover was driven by electric motors (heard of them ;D?) powered by a plutonium Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator.
Source of your hahaha?

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...generates an electrical current using no moving parts.

It generates electric, not motion. It is not a motor generates motion, motionlessinoz.

Try again! Hahaha!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 16, 2020, 05:18:49 AM
Get admit it admitterinoz; it is spectatular win. Do not search for new excuses to make up for their mistake and just accept the result.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: rabinoz on July 16, 2020, 05:19:27 AM
hahaha, big fail NASA
No! It's hahaha, big fail Wise and Shifter!

Curiosity Rover was driven by electric motors (heard of them ;D?) powered by a plutonium Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator.
Source of your hahaha?
Either Wikipedia or Power Systems (https://rps.nasa.gov/power-and-thermal-systems/power-systems/current/)

Quote from: wise
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...generates an electrical current using no moving parts.

It generates electric, not motion. It is not a motor generates motion, motionlessinoz.
The electrical energy from the plutonium thermoelectric generator charges storage batteries.
This electrical energy powers the electric drive motor's.

Quote from: wise
Try again! Hahaha!
No need for me to try again! I am correct - get used to it!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 16, 2020, 05:20:24 AM
hahaha, big fail NASA
No! It's hahaha, big fail Wise and Shifter!

Curiosity Rover was driven by electric motors (heard of them ;D?) powered by a plutonium Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator.
Source of your hahaha?
Either Wikipedia or Power Systems (https://rps.nasa.gov/power-and-thermal-systems/power-systems/current/)

Quote from: wise
Quote
...generates an electrical current using no moving parts.

It generates electric, not motion. It is not a motor generates motion, motionlessinoz.
The electrical energy from the plutonium thermoelectric generator charges storage batteries.
This electrical energy powers the electric drive motor's.

Quote from: wise
Try again! Hahaha!
No need for me to try again! I am correct - get used to it!
You are still making excuses excuserinoz. Yes it is used in the electric drive motor in the earth. So; Where is the electric drive motor a source of NASA you have mentioned. It is not exist then we are talking about it.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: rabinoz on July 16, 2020, 05:23:33 AM
Get admit it admitterinoz; it is spectatular win. Do not search for new excuses to make up for their mistake and just accept the result.
Yes, you have to admit that it is spectatular win for ME!.
I don't need any excuse because I was not wrong YOU WERE!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 16, 2020, 05:27:39 AM
Get admit it admitterinoz; it is spectatular win. Do not search for new excuses to make up for their mistake and just accept the result.
Yes, you have to admit that it is spectatular win for ME!.
I don't need any excuse because I was not wrong YOU WERE!
It is clear that this is not the case. You could still not prove that neither Mars rover nor Lunar rover has an electric motor.

You have prove that the electrical energy used in the engine is produced, that I have already mentioned it earlier that, it has. Electric energy is produced. However, this energy is not converted to motion energy in neither Mars nor Lunar rover.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: rabinoz on July 16, 2020, 05:28:05 AM
You are still making excuses excuserinoz. Yes it is used in the electric drive motor in the earth. So; Where is the electric drive motor a source of NASA you have mentioned. It is not exist then we are talking about it.
You ignorance is your problem!  I've told you enough go work the rest out for yourself!

Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 16, 2020, 05:32:42 AM
You are still making excuses excuserinoz. Yes it is used in the electric drive motor in the earth. So; Where is the electric drive motor a source of NASA you have mentioned. It is not exist then we are talking about it.
You ignorance is your problem!  I've told you enough go work the rest out for yourself!
You have just told something has to be but not proved it has. You are talking theorically something has to be; but the problem here, it has not; mister hastirinoz.  ;D

I am sure every sane people see this thread see how you are talking something not close to be an answer here.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 16, 2020, 05:37:46 AM
You are still making excuses excuserinoz. Yes it is used in the electric drive motor in the earth. So; Where is the electric drive motor a source of NASA you have mentioned. It is not exist then we are talking about it.

The fact that NASA uses electric motors in the Mars rovers is extremely common information and very easy to find.

https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2014/45130/10-2485_A1b.pdf?sequence=1

"NASA will launch a 950 kg rover, part of the Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) mission, to Mars in October of 2011. The MSL rover is scheduled to land on Mars in August of 2012. The rover employs 31 electric-motor driven rotary actuators to perform a variety of engineering and science functions including: mobility, camera pointing, telecommunications antenna steering, soil and rock sample acquisition and sample processing."

"B. MSL Actuators: There are a total of 31 rotary actuators on the MSL rover. The actuators provide all of the articulation needed to move and point the science cameras, to move and point the communications antenna, to drive and steer the rover, and to collect, process and deliver solid  samples to the laboratory science instruments inside the rover body. Each actuator consists of an electric brushless DC motor, a brake, an encoder, a gearbox and an output resolver (see Fig. 2). The electric motor provides the energy to move the mechanism."

"The mobility subsystem contains 10 actuators capable of driving and steering the rover as it moves in commanded and autonomous  traverses. There are 6 drive actuators, imbedded inside the 6 wheel hubs, and 4 steer actuators, located above the corner wheels. "
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 17, 2020, 04:32:12 AM
Just in case there is any remaining confusion, because I see posts continuing elsewhere, here are pictures from the article I linked above and again here.

https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2014/45130/10-2485_A1b.pdf

"The rover employs 31 electric-motor driven rotary actuators to perform a variety of engineering and science functions including: mobility, camera pointing, telecommunications antenna steering, soil and rock sample acquisition and sample processing. "

Note it says very clearly ELECTRIC-MOTOR and one of the uses is MOBILITY.

Just to make it even clearer, the Curiosity Mars rover uses electric motors in it's wheels to move around.

(https://i.imgur.com/eGbOpHb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/yibFsYK.jpg)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 17, 2020, 05:06:07 AM
So because they didn't call it out on the diagram, it isn't there?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: LuggerSailor on July 17, 2020, 05:17:55 AM
Does Wise have a car?

Did the sale documents specifically include wheel-nuts?

Have the wheels fallen off yet?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 17, 2020, 05:29:53 AM
Does Wise have a car?

Did the sale documents specifically include wheel-nuts?

Have the wheels fallen off yet?
What?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 17, 2020, 07:28:09 AM
Even by wise's low standards, this is a massive face palm.

The thing is packed with electric motors.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Lorddave on July 17, 2020, 07:45:31 AM
Yeah, each wheel has its own little motor.  Not sure what else ya need.  This allows each wheel to move independantly of the others at different speeds while using minimal energy.  This is ideal for driving in unpredictable terrain.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 17, 2020, 08:24:45 AM
Does Wise have a car?

Did the sale documents specifically include wheel-nuts?

Have the wheels fallen off yet?
What?

Whoooooooooooosh.   ::)

He is asking if you think every single detail of something has to be included in a simplified diagram, or it doesn't exist.

If you buy a car, is every single nut and bolt listed on the sales document?

It's an electric powered rover. They didn't feel the need to point out everything on board runs on electricity because what else would it run on?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 17, 2020, 09:54:15 AM
Check me if I'm wrong, but every single probe/lander/rover that every space agency has ever sent anywhere off planet is electrically powered.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 17, 2020, 10:12:02 AM
Check me if I'm wrong, but every single probe/lander/rover that every space agency has ever sent anywhere off planet is electrically powered.

Yeah, not a lot of gas stations out there. :D

Now, some of the space probes had some propulsive thrust for maneuvers, usually using hydrazine as a propellant.  Kind of like when Wall-E used the fire extinguisher, they just spray out a compressed liquid, and don't use any of it for power generation.

But to run the spacecraft it's either solar or Nuclear power, both generating the electricity needed.  No combustion engines, no windmills, no hydroelectric, no geothermal. Sad this has to be pointed out in advance.  ::)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 17, 2020, 11:34:58 AM
Check me if I'm wrong, but every single probe/lander/rover that every space agency has ever sent anywhere off planet is electrically powered.

Yeah, not a lot of gas stations out there. :D

Now, some of the space probes had some propulsive thrust for maneuvers, usually using hydrazine as a propellant.  Kind of like when Wall-E used the fire extinguisher, they just spray out a compressed liquid, and don't use any of it for power generation.

But to run the spacecraft it's either solar or Nuclear power, both generating the electricity needed.  No combustion engines, no windmills, no hydroelectric, no geothermal. Sad this has to be pointed out in advance.  ::)

You forgot coal and natural gas.

And for the most part, nuclear power in space is via a radioisotope thermoelectric generators, not a fission reactor.  Fission reactors aren't the only form of nuclear power.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 17, 2020, 02:35:36 PM
I found the engine . . .

(https://i.imgur.com/Mz28t4b.gif?1)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 17, 2020, 02:41:30 PM
I found the engine . . .

(https://i.imgur.com/Mz28t4b.gif?1)

There is is.  How did we miss that...

(https://i.imgur.com/WAfyMvB.jpg)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 18, 2020, 06:15:36 AM
Yeah, each wheel has its own little motor.  Not sure what else ya need.  This allows each wheel to move independantly of the others at different speeds while using minimal energy.  This is ideal for driving in unpredictable terrain.
What? Are you mocking? This is one of the funniest theory I've ever heard. There are separate engines in four wheels. Wow! Thus, when you press the accelerator, all four engines react exactly simultaneusly and the vehicle will not be knocked anywhere, nor crashed!

Have you ever tried this method in the world to see what happens if a vehicle has four motors in four wheels? Ahahahaha! I will carry this to the believers subforum as how funny a globularist can be when trying to defend a lie.  ;D
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: sokarul on July 18, 2020, 08:17:26 AM
Drive shafts would lower clearance.

The newer Honda NSX Has three motors. One for the back wheels and one for each front wheel.

Over you failed at dealing with what was presented.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: frenat on July 18, 2020, 10:02:11 AM
Yeah, each wheel has its own little motor.  Not sure what else ya need.  This allows each wheel to move independantly of the others at different speeds while using minimal energy.  This is ideal for driving in unpredictable terrain.
What? Are you mocking? This is one of the funniest theory I've ever heard. There are separate engines in four wheels. Wow! Thus, when you press the accelerator, all four engines react exactly simultaneusly and the vehicle will not be knocked anywhere, nor crashed!

Have you ever tried this method in the world to see what happens if a vehicle has four motors in four wheels? Ahahahaha! I will carry this to the believers subforum as how funny a globularist can be when trying to defend a lie.  ;D
That is how many vehicles with electric motors work. Makes it easier to provide variable torque to each wheel without the complication of a differential.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 18, 2020, 10:27:23 AM
Yeah, each wheel has its own little motor.  Not sure what else ya need.  This allows each wheel to move independantly of the others at different speeds while using minimal energy.  This is ideal for driving in unpredictable terrain.
What? Are you mocking? This is one of the funniest theory I've ever heard. There are separate engines in four wheels.
Six wheels, though I realise that counting isn't your strong point.  And yes, there is a motor in each wheel.

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Wow! Thus, when you press the accelerator, all four engines react exactly simultaneusly
You sound like a medieval peasant looking at a computer for the first time.   Why, exactly, do you think this is a problem?

Quote
I will carry this to the believers subforum as how funny a globularist can be when trying to defend a lie.  ;D
OK, you run away now.    Go and hide where you don't have to debate and lose.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 18, 2020, 10:34:00 AM
Yeah, each wheel has its own little motor.  Not sure what else ya need.  This allows each wheel to move independantly of the others at different speeds while using minimal energy.  This is ideal for driving in unpredictable terrain.
What? Are you mocking? This is one of the funniest theory I've ever heard. There are separate engines in four wheels. Wow! Thus, when you press the accelerator, all four engines react exactly simultaneusly and the vehicle will not be knocked anywhere, nor crashed!

Have you ever tried this method in the world to see what happens if a vehicle has four motors in four wheels? Ahahahaha! I will carry this to the believers subforum as how funny a globularist can be when trying to defend a lie.  ;D
First off, they aren't engines, they're electric motors.  You may want to learn the difference.

Secondly, syncing modern electric motors isn't nearly as difficult as you think, especially in a rover whose top speed is 0.08699 mph
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 18, 2020, 10:37:16 AM
Porsche actually built a car with in wheel motors in 1897 - the car is powered by the two motors in the front wheels.

(https://spectrum.ieee.org/image/MzA3NzI4MQ.jpeg)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Stash on July 18, 2020, 12:50:44 PM
Yeah, each wheel has its own little motor.  Not sure what else ya need.  This allows each wheel to move independantly of the others at different speeds while using minimal energy.  This is ideal for driving in unpredictable terrain.
What? Are you mocking? This is one of the funniest theory I've ever heard. There are separate engines in four wheels. Wow! Thus, when you press the accelerator, all four engines react exactly simultaneusly and the vehicle will not be knocked anywhere, nor crashed!

Have you ever tried this method in the world to see what happens if a vehicle has four motors in four wheels? Ahahahaha! I will carry this to the believers subforum as how funny a globularist can be when trying to defend a lie.  ;D

Yeah, seems like magic that we have technology that could keep multiple motors in synch. Must be voodoo.

(https://i.imgur.com/6aAxXoN.gif)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 18, 2020, 01:05:06 PM
Yeah, each wheel has its own little motor.  Not sure what else ya need.  This allows each wheel to move independantly of the others at different speeds while using minimal energy.  This is ideal for driving in unpredictable terrain.
What? Are you mocking? This is one of the funniest theory I've ever heard. There are separate engines in four wheels. Wow! Thus, when you press the accelerator, all four engines react exactly simultaneusly and the vehicle will not be knocked anywhere, nor crashed!

Have you ever tried this method in the world to see what happens if a vehicle has four motors in four wheels? Ahahahaha! I will carry this to the believers subforum as how funny a globularist can be when trying to defend a lie.  ;D

It's astounding how little Wise understands, or thinks humans are capable of.

A vehicle with four electric motors!  IMPOSSIBLE!  OUTLANDISH!  INCONCEIVABLE!

I can picture him in his chair cackling madly at his incredible insight to not understand how four wheels could work in unison.

He literally is completely dumbfounded at the idea you could run four wheels at once.  I can't even begin to imagine the lack of intellect that would produce such an idea.  This is the pinnacle of Flat Earth debate right here.

I'm not even going to find all the examples of four wheel drive systems as others already have. Plus drones which is four propellers balancing a vehicle.  Will Wise claim drones are not real next because if running four wheels at once is IMPOSSIBLE then four propellers must be something only God Himself could sync up.

The guy is completely off his rocker here. 
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 19, 2020, 02:29:46 AM
Wise isn't going to like this.  A total of 18 motors all synced up power this thing

(https://assets.newatlas.com/dims4/default/fda6e38/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1620x1080+38+0/resize/1200x800!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewatlas-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Farchive%2Flift-aircraft-manned-multirotor-drone-experience-22.jpg)

Each of the motors even has its own battery

(https://assets.newatlas.com/dims4/default/82e37ac/2147483647/strip/true/crop/6000x4000+0+0/resize/1440x960!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewatlas-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Farchive%2Flift-aircraft-manned-multirotor-drone-experience-26.jpg)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 19, 2020, 08:42:15 AM
A drone is not a car. drone propeller and vehicle wheel are quite different statically. next!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 19, 2020, 09:45:08 AM
A drone is not a car. drone propeller and vehicle wheel are quite different statically. next!
Not as different as you might think.  If the speed of the propellers aren't carefully controlled, then the drone will be unstable.

Besides, it's not as if synchronizing multiple motors is a new or terribly difficult concept.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Lorddave on July 19, 2020, 10:49:28 AM
Ok wise, why don't you explain why it can't work.  You only stated it would crash but why?  What about wheel motors makes it crash?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 20, 2020, 12:11:10 AM
Wise isn't going to like this.  A total of 18 motors all synced up power this thing

(https://assets.newatlas.com/dims4/default/fda6e38/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1620x1080+38+0/resize/1200x800!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewatlas-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Farchive%2Flift-aircraft-manned-multirotor-drone-experience-22.jpg)

Each of the motors even has its own battery

(https://assets.newatlas.com/dims4/default/82e37ac/2147483647/strip/true/crop/6000x4000+0+0/resize/1440x960!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewatlas-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Farchive%2Flift-aircraft-manned-multirotor-drone-experience-26.jpg)
These motors are not in the wheel. These engines are stationary, not spinning. If the motor was inside the propeller, the motor connecting cables would spin and break. Having a motor in a wheel is a silly though, it literally does not work. This can only be a fantasy of NASA IT engineers. I guess there are no mechanical engineers at NASA, and they are taking these silly thoughts from sci-fi movies.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Unconvinced on July 20, 2020, 12:22:55 AM
https://www.electrive.com/2019/12/05/porsche-working-on-quadruple-motor-awd-e-suv/
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 20, 2020, 12:37:48 AM
It is terrible you have a name of unconvincible but easily convinced to the NASA lies. How ironic. Your link talks about 4 engine, directs wheels but not in the wheel.

It is a project, not realized. They have still could not do that. You don't read what you post here.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: rabinoz on July 20, 2020, 12:48:54 AM
It is terrible you have a name of unconvincible but easily convinced to the NASA lies. How ironic. Your link talks about 4 engine, directs wheels but not in the wheel.

It is a project, not realized. They have still could not do that. You don't read what you post here.
NASA is NOT telling any lies! YOU are just confused.
What on earth are you raving on about?
Of course the Mars vehicle has driving  motors - one in each wheel.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 20, 2020, 01:13:05 AM
It is terrible you have a name of unconvincible but easily convinced to the NASA lies. How ironic. Your link talks about 4 engine, directs wheels but not in the wheel.

It is a project, not realized. They have still could not do that. You don't read what you post here.
NASA is NOT telling any lies! YOU are just confused.
What on earth are you raving on about?
Of course the Mars vehicle has driving  motors - one in each wheel.
-You are telling each wheel has a motor inside it does not magically make them inside it. This is not something that can be done both in theory and in practice. You don't already put forward an argument. You just repeat the same practical lies. This is bullwinkleshit proves it is nothing but just a deception.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 20, 2020, 01:39:51 AM
These motors are not in the wheel. These engines are stationary, not spinning. If the motor was inside the propeller, the motor connecting cables would spin and break. Having a motor in a wheel is a silly though, it literally does not work. This can only be a fantasy of NASA IT engineers. I guess there are no mechanical engineers at NASA, and they are taking these silly thoughts from sci-fi movies.
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OK, lets start from basics.  Do you know the difference between a rotor and a stator?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Lorddave on July 20, 2020, 01:49:16 AM
Ok, I think I understand the problem.

Wise thinks the motor is attached DIRECTLY to the wheel and not a drive shaft connected to the wheel.

He needs a picture guys.  This could also be a language issue.  Let me draw up some stuff in paint on my lunch.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: rabinoz on July 20, 2020, 02:02:23 AM
It is terrible you have a name of unconvincible but easily convinced to the NASA lies. How ironic. Your link talks about 4 engine, directs wheels but not in the wheel.

It is a project, not realized. They have still could not do that. You don't read what you post here.
NASA is NOT telling any lies! YOU are just confused.
What on earth are you raving on about?
Of course the Mars vehicle has driving  motors - one in each wheel.
-You are telling each wheel has a motor inside it does not magically make them inside it. This is not something that can be done both in theory and in practice. You don't already put forward an argument. You just repeat the same practical lies. This is bullwinkleshit proves it is nothing but just a deception.
Why can't  there be a motor in the hub of each wheel?

You don't know much about engineering do you, Mr Wise?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 20, 2020, 02:07:56 AM

He needs a picture guys.  This could also be a language issue.
I think it's more a not admitting you're wrong issue.  Anyway, someone has actually produced a video of a wheel motor in action



Including diagrams...
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Unconvinced on July 20, 2020, 02:52:03 AM
Ok, I think I understand the problem.

Wise thinks the motor is attached DIRECTLY to the wheel and not a drive shaft connected to the wheel.

He needs a picture guys.  This could also be a language issue.  Let me draw up some stuff in paint on my lunch.

The problem is it doesn’t matter what anyone says.  Producing technical documents and pictures of the actual motors didn’t work.  Providing examples of similar applications didn’t work.  Explaining in detail which bit needs to be attached where won’t work.

Every answer to his latest objection will be met with either new objection or outright dismissal of what’s presented.  It’s called denial.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 20, 2020, 03:57:48 AM
Ok, I think I understand the problem.

Wise thinks the motor is attached DIRECTLY to the wheel and not a drive shaft connected to the wheel.

He needs a picture guys.  This could also be a language issue.  Let me draw up some stuff in paint on my lunch.
So you will do what NASA never did, right?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 20, 2020, 03:59:01 AM
Every answer to his latest objection will be met with either new objection or outright dismissal of what’s presented.  It’s called denial.
No, it is not. It is called questioning scientificness.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 20, 2020, 04:11:44 AM
Every answer to his latest objection will be met with either new objection or outright dismissal of what’s presented.  It’s called denial.
No, it is not. It is called questioning scientificness.

Laughing manically while declaring ITS ALL LIES YOU FOOLS HAHAHAHA isn't "scientificness" it's plain denial.

Or possibly massive ignorance of simple things like attaching a wheel to a motor. 

You can actually make an in-rim motor yourself, out of LEGOs. Here's a video demonstrating how it works.

Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 20, 2020, 05:23:46 AM
Or you can buy and install your own wheel motor:

hub motor kit (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Schuck-Electric-Bicycle-conversion-48V1000W/dp/B07Y322R8R/ref=pd_lpo_200_t_0/261-1382442-7435648?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07ZT1CBDH&pd_rd_r=f5fcb30f-986a-442b-8bd1-085ee94c496f&pd_rd_w=q81Ec&pd_rd_wg=aL25I&pf_rd_p=7b8e3b03-1439-4489-abd4-4a138cf4eca6&pf_rd_r=YFE8BSB560PV6KZZEGKZ&refRID=YFE8BSB560PV6KZZEGKZ&th=1)

Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Unconvinced on July 20, 2020, 06:16:57 AM
Every answer to his latest objection will be met with either new objection or outright dismissal of what’s presented.  It’s called denial.
No, it is not. It is called questioning scientificness.

“Questioning” means there could be some kind of answer that you would find acceptable.

What answer can we give you that you would accept as having answered your questions?

Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 20, 2020, 07:04:17 AM
Every answer to his latest objection will be met with either new objection or outright dismissal of what’s presented.  It’s called denial.
No, it is not. It is called questioning scientificness.

“Questioning” means there could be some kind of answer that you would find acceptable.

What answer can we give you that you would accept as having answered your questions?
You accept that you act collectively even when say "we". You do not have free will and you are not capable of responding to me. You just repeat what you've been taught. And many people are making false and invalid arguments until I get bored with answering. And when I get bored you to be able to say "look, he can't answer". But both me and other readers are now accustomed to this attitude of globalism, we have gained immunity.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 20, 2020, 07:06:09 AM
Every answer to his latest objection will be met with either new objection or outright dismissal of what’s presented.  It’s called denial.
No, it is not. It is called questioning scientificness.

“Questioning” means there could be some kind of answer that you would find acceptable.

What answer can we give you that you would accept as having answered your questions?
You accept that you act collectively even when say "we". You do not have free will and you are not capable of responding to me. You just repeat what you've been taught. And many people are making false and invalid arguments until I get bored with answering. And when I get bored you to be able to say "look, he can't answer". But both me and other readers are now accustomed to this attitude of globalism, we have gained immunity.

Look, he can't answer.  He is immune to reason and facts.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Lorddave on July 20, 2020, 02:10:05 PM
Every answer to his latest objection will be met with either new objection or outright dismissal of what’s presented.  It’s called denial.
No, it is not. It is called questioning scientificness.

“Questioning” means there could be some kind of answer that you would find acceptable.

What answer can we give you that you would accept as having answered your questions?
You accept that you act collectively even when say "we". You do not have free will and you are not capable of responding to me. You just repeat what you've been taught. And many people are making false and invalid arguments until I get bored with answering. And when I get bored you to be able to say "look, he can't answer". But both me and other readers are now accustomed to this attitude of globalism, we have gained immunity.
We see with our eyes.  We understand with our minds.
You do not see with your eyes and your mind can not understand.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 22, 2020, 01:54:06 AM
Every answer to his latest objection will be met with either new objection or outright dismissal of what’s presented.  It’s called denial.
No, it is not. It is called questioning scientificness.

“Questioning” means there could be some kind of answer that you would find acceptable.

What answer can we give you that you would accept as having answered your questions?
You accept that you act collectively even when say "we". You do not have free will and you are not capable of responding to me. You just repeat what you've been taught. And many people are making false and invalid arguments until I get bored with answering. And when I get bored you to be able to say "look, he can't answer". But both me and other readers are now accustomed to this attitude of globalism, we have gained immunity.
We see with our eyes.  We understand with our minds.
You do not see with your eyes and your mind can not understand.
Nope. You have not free will. I have free will. Maybe you have not eyes also.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: rabinoz on July 22, 2020, 02:11:00 AM
Every answer to his latest objection will be met with either new objection or outright dismissal of what’s presented.  It’s called denial.
No, it is not. It is called questioning scientificness.

“Questioning” means there could be some kind of answer that you would find acceptable.

What answer can we give you that you would accept as having answered your questions?
You accept that you act collectively even when say "we". You do not have free will and you are not capable of responding to me. You just repeat what you've been taught. And many people are making false and invalid arguments until I get bored with answering. And when I get bored you to be able to say "look, he can't answer". But both me and other readers are now accustomed to this attitude of globalism, we have gained immunity.
We see with our eyes.  We understand with our minds.
You do not see with your eyes and your mind can not understand.
Nope. You have not free will. I have free will. Maybe you have not eyes also.
Nope! You might have eyes but you can't see THE TRUTH!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Shifter on July 22, 2020, 03:10:54 AM
Every answer to his latest objection will be met with either new objection or outright dismissal of what’s presented.  It’s called denial.
No, it is not. It is called questioning scientificness.

“Questioning” means there could be some kind of answer that you would find acceptable.

What answer can we give you that you would accept as having answered your questions?
You accept that you act collectively even when say "we". You do not have free will and you are not capable of responding to me. You just repeat what you've been taught. And many people are making false and invalid arguments until I get bored with answering. And when I get bored you to be able to say "look, he can't answer". But both me and other readers are now accustomed to this attitude of globalism, we have gained immunity.
We see with our eyes.  We understand with our minds.
You do not see with your eyes and your mind can not understand.
Nope. You have not free will. I have free will. Maybe you have not eyes also.
Nope! You might have eyes but you can't see THE TRUTH!

Not what this picture says.....

(https://i.imgur.com/btN7Hfu.jpg)

Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 22, 2020, 06:24:13 AM
Not what this picture says.....
Since when are obviously manipulated pictures evidence of anything?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 22, 2020, 10:24:26 AM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)

It must be so confusing for Shifter and Wise to live in a world where everything is a mystery.  I can't even begin to understand the mentality of not being able to understand how wheels and motors work leading to deciding that the Mars rover must be fake.

I mean, motors and wheels... together?  That's crazy talk!  :o

(https://i.imgur.com/gXYsP9Q.jpg)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: rabinoz on July 22, 2020, 10:49:33 AM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)
You and Wise can believe what you like but the Mars rover has a motor driving each  wheel.

It's not  my problem if neither you nor Wise have a trace of common sense.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Shifter on July 22, 2020, 10:54:34 AM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)
You and Wise can believe what you like

Ok. Didn't think we needed your permission but thank you anyway rab  8)

Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 22, 2020, 11:24:30 AM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)
You and Wise can believe what you like

Ok. Didn't think we needed your permission but thank you anyway rab  8)
Of course you don't need anyone's permission to believe what you like.  However, a cogent explanation of your objections would be very helpful if you want to have an adult conversation on the topic at hand.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Unconvinced on July 22, 2020, 12:16:52 PM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)

You seem confused.  Wise is the only one who apparently excepts you to believe there are no motors driving the wheels on the rovers.

Everyone else is saying that of course there are bloody motors.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: rabinoz on July 22, 2020, 01:09:36 PM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)
You and Wise can believe what you like

Ok. Didn't think we needed your permission but thank you anyway rab  8)
OK, I'll put it this way: I couldn't care less if you think stupidity like the Mars rover has no traction motors.

Signed, Rabinoz, at present in private room 14 Greenslopes Private Hospital and NOT looking forward to coming biopsies!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Shifter on July 22, 2020, 01:13:06 PM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)
You and Wise can believe what you like

Ok. Didn't think we needed your permission but thank you anyway rab  8)
OK, I'll put it this way: I couldn't care less if you think stupidity like the Mars rover has no traction motors.

Signed, Rabinoz, at present in private room 14 Greenslopes Private Hospital and NOT looking forward to coming biopsies!

Damn, get well soon and hope to get a good result!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: rabinoz on July 22, 2020, 01:29:59 PM
Signed, Rabinoz, at present in private room 14 Greenslopes Private Hospital and NOT looking forward to coming biopsies!

Damn, get well soon and hope to get a good result!
The good news: The cardiologist says my heart's in pretty good shape.
The not so good news: The specialist called in yesterday was an oncologist - hence this biopsy.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 22, 2020, 05:59:05 PM
This is the high content Shifter is talking about apparently.  Claiming the Mars rover doesn't have a 'motor' or something.  I'd love to know what Shifter thinks makes the wheels move if not an electric motor?  I even posted a video of the new rover testing it's wheels.  They sure look like they move to me.  ::)

From previous discussions I'm pretty sure he understands what an electric motor is.  Pretty sure.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 22, 2020, 06:23:58 PM
. . . at present in private room 14 Greenslopes Private Hospital


I had to spend a week in a double room with an AIDS infected junkie.   >:(
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 23, 2020, 01:02:55 AM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)
You and Wise can believe what you like but the Mars rover has a motor driving each  wheel.
It's not  my problem if neither you nor Wise have a trace of common sense.
So far I have not seen anything proving that there is an engine in the wheel. There is no such application in the world, nor a technical knowledge of how Mars rover can solve the problems that will arise in this regard. Electricity does not magically rotate a wheel. This can only be the product of NASA imagination. You cannot force us to accept such nonsense.

It's your problem that you "have to" defend every kind of NASA lies. It is clearly you "have to" do that, otherwise you are seemingly having at least a minimum level common sense. Only necessity may compel you to defend such a nonsense thing.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: rabinoz on July 23, 2020, 03:20:28 AM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)
You and Wise can believe what you like but the Mars rover has a motor driving each  wheel.
It's not  my problem if neither you nor Wise have a trace of common sense.
So far I have not seen anything proving that there is an engine in the wheel. There is no such application in the world, nor a technical knowledge of how Mars rover can solve the problems that will arise in this regard. Electricity does not magically rotate a wheel. This can only be the product of NASA imagination. You cannot force us to accept such nonsense.

It's your problem that you "have to" defend every kind of NASA lies. It is clearly you "have to" do that, otherwise you are seemingly having at least a minimum level common sense. Only necessity may compel you to defend such a nonsense thing.
I have nothing to defend!

Of course the Mars Rover has motors! Only one ignorant in engineering matters, like YOU, would claim otherwise!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 23, 2020, 03:26:23 AM
You don't need motors because other planets are all down hill.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 23, 2020, 04:06:16 AM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)
You and Wise can believe what you like but the Mars rover has a motor driving each  wheel.
It's not  my problem if neither you nor Wise have a trace of common sense.
So far I have not seen anything proving that there is an engine in the wheel. There is no such application in the world, nor a technical knowledge of how Mars rover can solve the problems that will arise in this regard. Electricity does not magically rotate a wheel. This can only be the product of NASA imagination. You cannot force us to accept such nonsense.

It's your problem that you "have to" defend every kind of NASA lies. It is clearly you "have to" do that, otherwise you are seemingly having at least a minimum level common sense. Only necessity may compel you to defend such a nonsense thing.

So you have PROOF that there are no such things as in-wheel motors?

I'm guessing that you are so sure that humans are too stupid to make one because YOU are too dumb to understand how such a thing is possible.

Your proof is just your inability to understand how things work.

I can disprove your "there is no such application in the world" easily enough.

Here.  Go to Amazon and buy one yourself, or maybe Shifter can get you one as he likes you and he can see for himself how they work too.  In-wheel motors have been around for a hundred years. It's not rocket science. ::)

https://www.amazon.com/AW-Electric-Bicycle-Powerful-Conversion/dp/B00YBWA5VC
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: hoppy on July 23, 2020, 05:08:16 AM
. . . at present in private room 14 Greenslopes Private Hospital


I had to spend a week in a double room with an AIDS infected junkie.   >:(
I bet they were glad when they finally got away from you.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 23, 2020, 06:35:13 AM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)
You and Wise can believe what you like but the Mars rover has a motor driving each  wheel.
It's not  my problem if neither you nor Wise have a trace of common sense.
So far I have not seen anything proving that there is an engine in the wheel.
That's because they don't use engines.  They use electric rotary actuators to drive the wheels.

There is no such application in the world, nor a technical knowledge of how Mars rover can solve the problems that will arise in this regard.
You don't have any industrial mechanical experience, so you?  Rotary actuators are quite common in industry.
https://www.directindustry.com/industrial-manufacturer/rotary-actuator-71350.html

Electricity does not magically rotate a wheel. This can only be the product of NASA imagination.
Unless you use that electricity to run a motor attached to a gearbox.

You cannot force us to accept such nonsense.
Well, you know what they say about leading a horse to water.

It's your problem that you "have to" defend every kind of NASA lies. It is clearly you "have to" do that, otherwise you are seemingly having at least a minimum level common sense. Only necessity may compel you to defend such a nonsense thing.
Or, maybe it only seems like nonsense to you because of your limited experiences with industrial mechanical solutions.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 23, 2020, 02:26:21 PM
. . . at present in private room 14 Greenslopes Private Hospital


I had to spend a week in a double room with an AIDS infected junkie.   >:(
I bet they were glad when they finally got away from you.


     ;)




Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: hoppy on July 23, 2020, 02:54:02 PM
. . . at present in private room 14 Greenslopes Private Hospital


I had to spend a week in a double room with an AIDS infected junkie.   >:(
I bet they were glad when they finally got away from you.


     ;)
;)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 27, 2020, 01:33:39 PM
Pack it up rab. I think the argument is concluded here. Even a pissy little RC car has a motor in it yet somehow expected to believe a hulking car sized rover doesn't need anything to drive the wheels  ::)
You and Wise can believe what you like but the Mars rover has a motor driving each  wheel.
It's not  my problem if neither you nor Wise have a trace of common sense.
So far I have not seen anything proving that there is an engine in the wheel. There is no such application in the world, nor a technical knowledge of how Mars rover can solve the problems that will arise in this regard. Electricity does not magically rotate a wheel. This can only be the product of NASA imagination. You cannot force us to accept such nonsense.

It's your problem that you "have to" defend every kind of NASA lies. It is clearly you "have to" do that, otherwise you are seemingly having at least a minimum level common sense. Only necessity may compel you to defend such a nonsense thing.
I have nothing to defend!

Of course the Mars Rover has motors! Only one ignorant in engineering matters, like YOU, would claim otherwise!
Your claim it has motors does not make it magically has motors. It technically has not, but you are free to believe otherwise. I can't intervene your dreaming.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 27, 2020, 01:40:28 PM
That's because they don't use engines.  They use electric rotary actuators to drive the wheels.
This claim contradicts the theory of most prominent globularist here:

Of course the Mars Rover has motors!
Here we see two veteran globalists who make exactly the opposite statements. Nevertheless, they do not argue, although one says that there is a motor, while the other says that it is not a motor, 180 degrees opposite each other directly say the opposite. both are quoting me.

First, discuss whether there is an engine in the wheels, agree among you. Then talk me as you one voice! Until then, it is thought both of yourwords have no value and that you are programmed to quote only me.

You both are programmed to follow me. I am the reason of your living. You are giving me that value and then asking me about my behaves.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Stash on July 27, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
That's because they don't use engines.  They use electric rotary actuators to drive the wheels.
This claim contradicts the theory of most prominent globularist here:

Of course the Mars Rover has motors!
Here we see two veteran globalists who make exactly the opposite statements. Nevertheless, they do not argue, although one says that there is a motor, while the other says that it is not a motor, 180 degrees opposite each other directly say the opposite. both are quoting me.

First, discuss whether there is an engine in the wheels, agree among you. Then talk me as you one voice! Until then, it is thought both of yourwords have no value and that you are programmed to quote only me.

You both are programmed to follow me. I am the reason of your living. You are giving me that value and then asking me about my behaves.

Seriously? An electric rotary actuator is a motor. You need to think through these things a little bit more.

"Rotary actuator: The motion produced by an actuator may be either continuous rotation, as for an electric motor, or movement to a fixed angular position as for servomotors and stepper motors. A further form, the torque motor, does not necessarily produce any rotation but merely generates a precise torque which then either causes rotation, or is balanced by some opposing torque."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_actuator
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 27, 2020, 07:24:28 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/MRnviDG.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 28, 2020, 03:33:57 AM
That's because they don't use engines.  They use electric rotary actuators to drive the wheels.
This claim contradicts the theory of most prominent globularist here:

Of course the Mars Rover has motors!
Here we see two veteran globalists who make exactly the opposite statements. Nevertheless, they do not argue, although one says that there is a motor, while the other says that it is not a motor, 180 degrees opposite each other directly say the opposite. both are quoting me.

He's pointing out that electric motors aren't referred to as "engines".
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Lorddave on July 28, 2020, 03:44:35 AM
Try Turkish.  He may understand you better.  Google translate is shit sometimes.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 28, 2020, 03:48:39 AM
That's because they don't use engines.  They use electric rotary actuators to drive the wheels.
This claim contradicts the theory of most prominent globularist here:

Of course the Mars Rover has motors!
Here we see two veteran globalists who make exactly the opposite statements. Nevertheless, they do not argue, although one says that there is a motor, while the other says that it is not a motor, 180 degrees opposite each other directly say the opposite. both are quoting me.

First, discuss whether there is an engine in the wheels, agree among you. Then talk me as you one voice! Until then, it is thought both of yourwords have no value and that you are programmed to quote only me.

You both are programmed to follow me. I am the reason of your living. You are giving me that value and then asking me about my behaves.

No, they are not contradicting each other, they are both correct and saying the same thing.

Wise.

You are getting confused by the words "engine" and "motor".

I can't really blame you here, English can be a confusing mess.

But an engine and an electric motor are not the same thing.  You keep saying "engine" when you mean "motor".

Read this...

http://bestride.com/news/entertainment/grammar-nerd-should-you-call-it-a-motor-or-an-engine
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 28, 2020, 03:51:12 AM
Your claim it has motors does not make it magically has motors. It technically has not, but you are free to believe otherwise. I can't intervene your dreaming.

You saying it "technically has not" does not magically make it true.

I own a car with electric motors. I can assure you they are quite real. I've build model robots with electric wheels. They do work.

Seriously, I can't believe we are arguing about if it's possible to put electric motors on an electric vehicle.  ::)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 28, 2020, 04:05:06 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.

You are crowded and writing from me with metion all the time, making me bored to answer all of you individually will not magically justify you.

You are nothing more than a group of angry globalist programs that write worthless things that are programmed to quote only me without producing realistic arguments. Just like the viruses in a computer.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 28, 2020, 04:17:47 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.

You are crowded and writing from me with metion all the time, making me bored to answer all of you individually will not magically justify you.

You are nothing more than a group of angry globalist programs that write worthless things that are programmed to quote only me without producing realistic arguments. Just like the viruses in a computer.

Good story. I've given you plenty of evidence that they exist.

You on the other hand, only have your own denials that they do not. You literally have zero evidence.

And you claiming we are robots just makes you look crazy.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 28, 2020, 04:18:38 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.

You are crowded and writing from me with metion all the time, making me bored to answer all of you individually will not magically justify you.

You are nothing more than a group of angry globalist programs that write worthless things that are programmed to quote only me without producing realistic arguments. Just like the viruses in a computer.
We have showed you that in-wheel motors have existed for over 100 years.  We have showed you current prototype cars that use in-wheel motors.  We have showed you how you can build your own in-wheel model motorised lego model.  We have showed you that you can buy wheel motors for bikes on Amazon.  We have showed you videos of the Mars buggy using in-wheel motors to rotate it's wheels.

All you have done is incoherently lash out and then stick your head in the sand and deny everything as you're incapable of admitting you're wrong.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 28, 2020, 04:21:17 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.

You are crowded and writing from me with metion all the time, making me bored to answer all of you individually will not magically justify you.

You are nothing more than a group of angry globalist programs that write worthless things that are programmed to quote only me without producing realistic arguments. Just like the viruses in a computer.

Good story. I've given you plenty of evidence that they exist.

You on the other hand, only have your own denials that they do not. You literally have zero evidence.

And you claiming we are robots just makes you look crazy.
Nope. You have gave nothing but supposedly claims that practically null and does not deserve a value.

You the who have zero evidence. You are robots because you are talking something as if if done that actually not done, and you are talking about something as if not done actually done. You are doing it with some baseless claiming and waiting me accept it because you want it so. Can it be something other than you are nothing but robots? On the other hand you are not responding each other even you have contradicted, oppositely you deny the contradictions between yourselves. Because you have programmed so!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 28, 2020, 04:23:40 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.

You are crowded and writing from me with metion all the time, making me bored to answer all of you individually will not magically justify you.

You are nothing more than a group of angry globalist programs that write worthless things that are programmed to quote only me without producing realistic arguments. Just like the viruses in a computer.
We have showed you that in-wheel motors have existed for over 100 years.  We have showed you current prototype cars that use in-wheel motors.  We have showed you how you can build your own in-wheel model motorised lego model.  We have showed you that you can buy wheel motors for bikes on Amazon.  We have showed you videos of the Mars buggy using in-wheel motors to rotate it's wheels.

All you have done is incoherently lash out and then stick your head in the sand and deny everything as you're incapable of admitting you're wrong.
You have show a photo supposedly belongs to 100 years ago. I have just laught at it. Did you really believe it or lauhgted just like me because you know it is fake? I guess the second. And your "we" proves you have belong same programmed project.

All evidences prove I am right and you are producing fake/or null arguments in desperation. But it does not hurt you, because programs does not feel the pain.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 28, 2020, 04:31:35 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.

You are crowded and writing from me with metion all the time, making me bored to answer all of you individually will not magically justify you.

You are nothing more than a group of angry globalist programs that write worthless things that are programmed to quote only me without producing realistic arguments. Just like the viruses in a computer.
We have showed you that in-wheel motors have existed for over 100 years.  We have showed you current prototype cars that use in-wheel motors.  We have showed you how you can build your own in-wheel model motorised lego model.  We have showed you that you can buy wheel motors for bikes on Amazon.  We have showed you videos of the Mars buggy using in-wheel motors to rotate it's wheels.

All you have done is incoherently lash out and then stick your head in the sand and deny everything as you're incapable of admitting you're wrong.
You have show a photo supposedly belongs to 100 years ago. I have just laught at it. Did you really believe it or lauhgted just like me because you know it is fake? I guess the second. And your "we" proves you have belong same programmed project.

All evidences prove I am right and you are producing fake/or null arguments in desperation. But it does not hurt you, because programs does not feel the pain.

All the evidence points to you denying everything you are shown and laughing in complete ignorance.

I'm going to go drive around in my electric motor powered car right now and laugh at you claiming it's not real.  ::)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 28, 2020, 04:37:57 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.

You are crowded and writing from me with metion all the time, making me bored to answer all of you individually will not magically justify you.

You are nothing more than a group of angry globalist programs that write worthless things that are programmed to quote only me without producing realistic arguments. Just like the viruses in a computer.
We have showed you that in-wheel motors have existed for over 100 years.  We have showed you current prototype cars that use in-wheel motors.  We have showed you how you can build your own in-wheel model motorised lego model.  We have showed you that you can buy wheel motors for bikes on Amazon.  We have showed you videos of the Mars buggy using in-wheel motors to rotate it's wheels.

All you have done is incoherently lash out and then stick your head in the sand and deny everything as you're incapable of admitting you're wrong.
You have show a photo supposedly belongs to 100 years ago. I have just laught at it. Did you really believe it or lauhgted just like me because you know it is fake? I guess the second. And your "we" proves you have belong same programmed project.

All evidences prove I am right and you are producing fake/or null arguments in desperation. But it does not hurt you, because programs does not feel the pain.

All the evidence points to you denying everything you are shown and laughing in complete ignorance.

I'm going to go drive around in my electric motor powered car right now and laugh at you claiming it's not real.  ::)
Your insults and claiming my questioning scientific approach does not magically make me an ignorant but makes you an angry globularist program. You can drive electric vehicles around the world. But you can be sure that its motor is not in the wheels. No engineer in the world is retarded enough to put a motor in the wheels. However, only a computer program produces arguments to supposedly support such an absurd idea, and can use these false arguments to insult. Guess your insulting ability has been added to increase your reality, but still seems fake.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 28, 2020, 05:50:41 AM
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Your insults and claiming my questioning scientific approach does not magically make me an ignorant but makes you an angry globularist program. You can drive electric vehicles around the world. But you can be sure that its motor is not in the wheels. No engineer in the world is retarded enough to put a motor in the wheels.
Reality disagrees with you.

You can just go onto Amazon or eBay and buy a wheel motor.  There are hundreds of models available now.

(https://i0.wp.com/www.uumotor.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/5kwebikekit.jpg?w=750&ssl=1)

another?
(https://peiscooter.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/1d19f57b04355a1e4e365cbbf49bec82/1/2/12inch-12-inch-thin-tyre-bldc-brushless-non-gear-double-shafts-dc-hub-wheel-motor-with.jpg_640x640.jpg)

again?
(https://www.qsmotor.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/17-inch-12KW-Hub-Motor-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 28, 2020, 05:56:13 AM
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Your insults and claiming my questioning scientific approach does not magically make me an ignorant but makes you an angry globularist program. You can drive electric vehicles around the world. But you can be sure that its motor is not in the wheels. No engineer in the world is retarded enough to put a motor in the wheels.
Reality disagrees with you.

You can just go onto Amazon or eBay and buy a wheel motor.  There are hundreds of models available now.

(https://i0.wp.com/www.uumotor.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/5kwebikekit.jpg?w=750&ssl=1)

another?
(https://peiscooter.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/1d19f57b04355a1e4e365cbbf49bec82/1/2/12inch-12-inch-thin-tyre-bldc-brushless-non-gear-double-shafts-dc-hub-wheel-motor-with.jpg_640x640.jpg)

again?
(https://www.qsmotor.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/17-inch-12KW-Hub-Motor-1.jpg)
Ahahaha! How funny! "Wheel motor" you show isn't a motor inside the wheel ! Hahaha! Search moor!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 28, 2020, 06:09:01 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.

You are crowded and writing from me with metion all the time, making me bored to answer all of you individually will not magically justify you.

You are nothing more than a group of angry globalist programs that write worthless things that are programmed to quote only me without producing realistic arguments. Just like the viruses in a computer.
We have showed you that in-wheel motors have existed for over 100 years.  We have showed you current prototype cars that use in-wheel motors.  We have showed you how you can build your own in-wheel model motorised lego model.  We have showed you that you can buy wheel motors for bikes on Amazon.  We have showed you videos of the Mars buggy using in-wheel motors to rotate it's wheels.

All you have done is incoherently lash out and then stick your head in the sand and deny everything as you're incapable of admitting you're wrong.
You have show a photo supposedly belongs to 100 years ago. I have just laught at it. Did you really believe it or lauhgted just like me because you know it is fake? I guess the second. And your "we" proves you have belong same programmed project.

All evidences prove I am right and you are producing fake/or null arguments in desperation. But it does not hurt you, because programs does not feel the pain.

All the evidence points to you denying everything you are shown and laughing in complete ignorance.

I'm going to go drive around in my electric motor powered car right now and laugh at you claiming it's not real.  ::)
Your insults and claiming my questioning scientific approach does not magically make me an ignorant but makes you an angry globularist program. You can drive electric vehicles around the world. But you can be sure that its motor is not in the wheels. No engineer in the world is retarded enough to put a motor in the wheels. However, only a computer program produces arguments to supposedly support such an absurd idea, and can use these false arguments to insult. Guess your insulting ability has been added to increase your reality, but still seems fake.

You are showing your ignorance constantly, I'm not calling you ignorant as an insult, but as a statement of fact. You are ignorant of the very concept of putting motors in wheels, you don't understand how it could be done... that is what ignorance is. Lack of understanding.

And you lack a great deal of understanding.  You also throw insults about.  You called me a terrorist in another thread, and called me a paid shill, say I'm just a bot. You insult me and others all the time. You yell and rant and call people names constantly.

If you think no engineer could possibly put a motor in a wheel, then it's not the engineer who is retarded.

I have ridden on a bicycle with an in-wheel motor. So you saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to make one makes me laugh. I bet you could go to the nearest city and find a shop that sells them and look for yourself. But you won't because the idea that you could be wrong is so far outside your ability that you won't even try. You are so provably wrong here, and yet you insist you are right with NO evidence other than your own inability to imagine how it could work. Your failure doesn't make it fake.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2020, 06:14:37 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.
I don't think that anyone here has physical access to the Mars rovers to prove that there are electric motors in the wheels, so I'm not sure what evidence you're willing to accept.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 28, 2020, 06:15:30 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.

You are crowded and writing from me with metion all the time, making me bored to answer all of you individually will not magically justify you.

You are nothing more than a group of angry globalist programs that write worthless things that are programmed to quote only me without producing realistic arguments. Just like the viruses in a computer.
We have showed you that in-wheel motors have existed for over 100 years.  We have showed you current prototype cars that use in-wheel motors.  We have showed you how you can build your own in-wheel model motorised lego model.  We have showed you that you can buy wheel motors for bikes on Amazon.  We have showed you videos of the Mars buggy using in-wheel motors to rotate it's wheels.

All you have done is incoherently lash out and then stick your head in the sand and deny everything as you're incapable of admitting you're wrong.
You have show a photo supposedly belongs to 100 years ago. I have just laught at it. Did you really believe it or lauhgted just like me because you know it is fake? I guess the second. And your "we" proves you have belong same programmed project.

All evidences prove I am right and you are producing fake/or null arguments in desperation. But it does not hurt you, because programs does not feel the pain.

All the evidence points to you denying everything you are shown and laughing in complete ignorance.

I'm going to go drive around in my electric motor powered car right now and laugh at you claiming it's not real.  ::)
Your insults and claiming my questioning scientific approach does not magically make me an ignorant but makes you an angry globularist program. You can drive electric vehicles around the world. But you can be sure that its motor is not in the wheels. No engineer in the world is retarded enough to put a motor in the wheels. However, only a computer program produces arguments to supposedly support such an absurd idea, and can use these false arguments to insult. Guess your insulting ability has been added to increase your reality, but still seems fake.

You are showing your ignorance constantly, I'm not calling you ignorant as an insult, but as a statement of fact. You are ignorant of the very concept of putting motors in wheels, you don't understand how it could be done... that is what ignorance is. Lack of understanding.

And you lack a great deal of understanding.  You also throw insults about.  You called me a terrorist in another thread, and called me a paid shill, say I'm just a bot. You insult me and others all the time. You yell and rant and call people names constantly.

If you think no engineer could possibly put a motor in a wheel, then it's not the engineer who is retarded.

I have ridden on a bicycle with an in-wheel motor. So you saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to make one makes me laugh. I bet you could go to the nearest city and find a shop that sells them and look for yourself. But you won't because the idea that you could be wrong is so far outside your ability that you won't even try. You are so provably wrong here, and yet you insist you are right with NO evidence other than your own inability to imagine how it could work. Your failure doesn't make it fake.
Again, cut the crap and prove a motor can be inside the wheel of a car, or you are simply a lying bot program programmed to produce false arguments.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 28, 2020, 06:17:13 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.
I don't think that anyone here has physical access to the Mars rovers to prove that there are electric motors in the wheels, so I'm not sure what evidence you're willing to accept.
A Non proof. Evidence you cannot show is evidence that is not. The burden of proof here belongs to those who claim to exist. You claim it exists, so prove it. How simple.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2020, 06:19:11 AM
So far, no physical or theoretical study proving that there are electric motors in the wheels of the Mars vehicle has been revealed, other than blabbing.
I don't think that anyone here has physical access to the Mars rovers to prove that there are electric motors in the wheels, so I'm not sure what evidence you're willing to accept.
A Non proof. Evidence you cannot show is evidence that is not. The burden of proof here belongs to those who claim to exist. You claim it exists, so prove it. How simple.
How?  What evidence will you accept?  Does someone need to buy and ship to you a wheel with a motor in it?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 28, 2020, 06:36:02 AM
You are showing your ignorance constantly, I'm not calling you ignorant as an insult, but as a statement of fact. You are ignorant of the very concept of putting motors in wheels, you don't understand how it could be done... that is what ignorance is. Lack of understanding.

And you lack a great deal of understanding.  You also throw insults about.  You called me a terrorist in another thread, and called me a paid shill, say I'm just a bot. You insult me and others all the time. You yell and rant and call people names constantly.

If you think no engineer could possibly put a motor in a wheel, then it's not the engineer who is retarded.

I have ridden on a bicycle with an in-wheel motor. So you saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to make one makes me laugh. I bet you could go to the nearest city and find a shop that sells them and look for yourself. But you won't because the idea that you could be wrong is so far outside your ability that you won't even try. You are so provably wrong here, and yet you insist you are right with NO evidence other than your own inability to imagine how it could work. Your failure doesn't make it fake.
Again, cut the crap and prove a motor can be inside the wheel of a car, or you are simply a lying bot program programmed to produce false arguments.
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How about you cut the crap and tell me what evidence could I provide you with that you would accept?

Because you just flat out deny everything you have been told, from pictures to documents to models you can buy to Amazon pages where you can buy real ones yourself.

Tell us. What evidence will you accept? Otherwise everyone is wasting their time with you.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 28, 2020, 06:39:11 AM
Ahahaha! How funny! "Wheel motor" you show isn't a motor inside the wheel ! Hahaha! Search moor!
They are all in wheel motors.  You are simply denying what is in front of you.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 28, 2020, 06:45:09 AM
As I mentioned earlier, NASA has not designed a motor for the spacecraft. They clearly thought that just like in toys, electricity would come and wheels would spin. For this, there is no motor in the wheels. There is no such electric vehicle! The motor is separate, albeit electric, and produces torque. The purpose of the motor is to produce torque, not to turn the wheel. Turning the wheel is the result of thork produced in motor.

On the other hand, since there is no motor, problems such as cooling the motor and lubrication problem are not mentioned at all.

All the angry globalists above say: "it has it, you must believe it". The argument? Evidence? "Well, we have some pictures". Hahaha! How funny!
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2020, 06:47:47 AM
As I mentioned earlier, NASA has not designed a motor for the spacecraft.
Why do you think this?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 28, 2020, 06:53:05 AM
The purpose of the motor is to produce torque, not to turn the wheel.
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Turning the wheel is the result of thork produced in motor.
Oh, you changed your mind since the last sentence.  You appear to be having some kind of breakdown - seek help.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 28, 2020, 06:57:40 AM
The purpose of the motor is to produce torque, not to turn the wheel.
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Turning the wheel is the result of thork produced in motor.
Oh, you changed your mind since the last sentence.  You appear to be having some kind of breakdown - seek help.
I did not change my mind anyway. The purpose of the motor is producing thork. The movement is the result of the thork. You can seperate my words this way to you get it better.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 28, 2020, 07:00:50 AM
As I mentioned earlier, NASA has not designed a motor for the spacecraft.
Why do you think this?
Simple because NASA engineers are retard. Otherwise they would admit earth's being flat instead of continue the globularist lie. As they lie, they up to chin in lies.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 28, 2020, 07:10:48 AM
The purpose of the motor is to produce torque, not to turn the wheel.
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Turning the wheel is the result of thork produced in motor.
Oh, you changed your mind since the last sentence.  You appear to be having some kind of breakdown - seek help.
I did not change my mind anyway. The purpose of the motor is producing thork. The movement is the result of the thork. You can seperate my words this way to you get it better.
It is "torque", which you managed to spell correctly earlier. 

Yes, a motor produces torque which can turn a wheel.  What is your point?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 28, 2020, 07:21:08 AM
The purpose of the motor is to produce torque, not to turn the wheel.
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Turning the wheel is the result of thork produced in motor.
Oh, you changed your mind since the last sentence.  You appear to be having some kind of breakdown - seek help.
I did not change my mind anyway. The purpose of the motor is producing thork. The movement is the result of the thork. You can seperate my words this way to you get it better.
It is "torque", which you managed to spell correctly earlier. 

Yes, a motor produces torque which can turn a wheel.  What is your point?
Glad to see you have start to learn dynamics of vehicle motor systems. But you need work more.

We will start step by step okay?

You can start to work with, a wheel can not work without thork.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 28, 2020, 07:22:37 AM
The purpose of the motor is to produce torque, not to turn the wheel.
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Turning the wheel is the result of thork produced in motor.
Oh, you changed your mind since the last sentence.  You appear to be having some kind of breakdown - seek help.
I did not change my mind anyway. The purpose of the motor is producing thork. The movement is the result of the thork. You can seperate my words this way to you get it better.
It is "torque", which you managed to spell correctly earlier. 

Yes, a motor produces torque which can turn a wheel.  What is your point?
Glad to see you have start to learn dynamics of vehicle motor systems. But you need work more.

We will start step by step okay?

You can start to work with, a wheel can not work without thork.
What is your point?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 28, 2020, 08:46:15 AM
All the angry globalists above say: "it has it, you must believe it". The argument? Evidence? "Well, we have some pictures". Hahaha! How funny!

What kind of evidence will you accept, Wise?

You laugh at everything we give you, so tell us... what evidence do you want?

WHAT WILL YOU ACCEPT?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 28, 2020, 09:01:15 AM
He doesn't want evidence.  He wants us to go away and stop bothering him with reality.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2020, 11:35:26 AM
As I mentioned earlier, NASA has not designed a motor for the spacecraft.
Why do you think this?
Simple because NASA engineers are retard. Otherwise they would admit earth's being flat instead of continue the globularist lie. As they lie, they up to chin in lies.
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe the earth is round and NASA engineers are just plain smarter than you?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: hoppy on July 28, 2020, 07:01:31 PM
That's because they don't use engines.  They use electric rotary actuators to drive the wheels.
This claim contradicts the theory of most prominent globularist here:

Of course the Mars Rover has motors!
Here we see two veteran globalists who make exactly the opposite statements. Nevertheless, they do not argue, although one says that there is a motor, while the other says that it is not a motor, 180 degrees opposite each other directly say the opposite. both are quoting me.

First, discuss whether there is an engine in the wheels, agree among you. Then talk me as you one voice! Until then, it is thought both of yourwords have no value and that you are programmed to quote only me.

You both are programmed to follow me. I am the reason of your living. You are giving me that value and then asking me about my behaves.
They are paid to follow you around the internet and harass you.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 29, 2020, 02:41:14 AM
The purpose of the motor is to produce torque, not to turn the wheel.
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Turning the wheel is the result of thork produced in motor.
Oh, you changed your mind since the last sentence.  You appear to be having some kind of breakdown - seek help.
I did not change my mind anyway. The purpose of the motor is producing thork. The movement is the result of the thork. You can seperate my words this way to you get it better.
It is "torque", which you managed to spell correctly earlier. 

Yes, a motor produces torque which can turn a wheel.  What is your point?
Glad to see you have start to learn dynamics of vehicle motor systems. But you need work more.

We will start step by step okay?

You can start to work with, a wheel can not work without thork.
What is your point?
Look, you haven't learned anything. You have a learning problem. So some data has been taught / programmed to you and you can't get out of it.

Try again:

A wheel can not work without thorque, right? Did you get this part?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: LuggerSailor on July 29, 2020, 03:25:15 AM
Oh, look. A simple search revealed the following;

The Mars Curiosity Rover Wheels and Legs

The Mars Science Laboratory has six wheels, each with its own individual motor.

The two front and two rear wheels also have individual steering motors (one each). This steering capability allows the vehicle to turn in place, a full 360 degrees. The four-wheel steering also allows the rover to swerve and curve, making arching turns.

Now, what is it you don't understand about wheels and motors?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 29, 2020, 03:32:42 AM
A wheel can not work without thorque, right? Did you get this part?
It is spelled 'torque'. 

Just cut to whatever point it is you think you are trying to make.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 29, 2020, 04:28:24 AM
We are all still waiting Wise.

What evidence do you need to prove that motors can be put inside wheels?

Why won't you answer?  Tell us what you need to understand.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 29, 2020, 04:30:27 AM
We are ...
You are alone. Start it with "I are" or "we am".

You have zero evidence. What evidence do you need more?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 29, 2020, 04:32:07 AM
A wheel can not work without thorque, right? Did you get this part?
It is spelled 'torque'. 

Just cut to whatever point it is you think you are trying to make.
Tell me whether or not you accept this. Because I know you will try to find a solution to deny the facts I will remind you.

Do you accept this simple mechanism? A wheel can not work without torque, yes or no.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: wise on July 29, 2020, 04:35:01 AM
Avoiding answering my questions proves that you know that what you are defending is wrong. You are afraid you will get stuck in the corner, right?

Okay. Everybody. First grade classroom question: "Can a wheel work without torque?"
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 29, 2020, 04:55:39 AM
A wheel can not work without thorque, right? Did you get this part?
It is spelled 'torque'. 

Just cut to whatever point it is you think you are trying to make.
Tell me whether or not you accept this. Because I know you will try to find a solution to deny the facts I will remind you.

Do you accept this simple mechanism? A wheel can not work without torque, yes or no.
I'm not playing your games.

Make your point, if you even have one, which I doubt.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 29, 2020, 05:02:42 AM
We are ...
You are alone. Start it with "I are" or "we am".

You have zero evidence. What evidence do you need more?

I am not the only one to have asked.

But if you insist.

I are wanting you to tell me what evidence you would accept.

You won't accept pictures or Amazon listings where you can buy them yourself or my telling you I've ridden hub motor powered devices.

What will you accept? What kind of evidence would you allow?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 29, 2020, 05:41:57 AM
He doesn't want evidence.  He wants us to go away and stop bothering him with reality.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 29, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
Okay. Everybody. First grade classroom question: "Can a wheel work without torque?"
*sigh*  Torque is a rotational force, so if there is no torque, then there is no rotation.  The real question should be: how much torque do you need to drive a wheel on a SUV size Mars rover?
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JJA on July 29, 2020, 11:37:34 AM
Okay. Everybody. First grade classroom question: "Can a wheel work without torque?"
*sigh*  Torque is a rotational force, so if there is no torque, then there is no rotation.  The real question should be: how much torque do you need to drive a wheel on a SUV size Mars rover?

I suspect he's going to try and argue something like "You can't have any torque if the engine is attached to the wheel AHAHAHAH" or similar that shows his lack of understanding some more.

He's convinced himself you can't put an electric motor into a wheel, and that's the end of it.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: markjo on July 29, 2020, 11:59:11 AM
Okay. Everybody. First grade classroom question: "Can a wheel work without torque?"
*sigh*  Torque is a rotational force, so if there is no torque, then there is no rotation.  The real question should be: how much torque do you need to drive a wheel on a SUV size Mars rover?

I suspect he's going to try and argue something like "You can't have any torque if the engine is attached to the wheel AHAHAHAH" or similar that shows his lack of understanding some more.

He's convinced himself you can't put an electric motor into a wheel, and that's the end of it.
I know that, but sometimes it helps to break it down into as small and simple steps as possible to find out exactly where his logic is failing.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: sokarul on July 29, 2020, 12:36:27 PM
One Wheel has the motor in the wheel.

Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 29, 2020, 01:43:13 PM
Okay. Everybody. First grade classroom question: "Can a wheel work without torque?"
*sigh*  Torque is a rotational force, so if there is no torque, then there is no rotation.  The real question should be: how much torque do you need to drive a wheel on a SUV size Mars rover?

I suspect he's going to try and argue something like "You can't have any torque if the engine is attached to the wheel AHAHAHAH" or similar that shows his lack of understanding some more.

He's convinced himself you can't put an electric motor into a wheel, and that's the end of it.
I know that, but sometimes it helps to break it down into as small and simple steps as possible to find out exactly where his logic is failing.
He knows he's wrong.  He is just in straight up denial mode, so it won't matter if you chop it into really tiny steps, put them in a blender and spoon feed them to him like a baby.  As soon as he's trapped in a corner he'll throw one of his tantrums and his English will conveniently degrade into incoherence while he throws insults at everyone.

It's his MO and he won't change.
Title: Re: Vehicle Running Without Motor, Nasa High Technology
Post by: Stash on July 29, 2020, 10:05:23 PM
Avoiding answering my questions proves that you know that what you are defending is wrong. You are afraid you will get stuck in the corner, right?

Okay. Everybody. First grade classroom question: "Can a wheel work without torque?"

To follow along with Sok's post regarding the OneWheel skateboard, here's the motor inside the wheel:

(https://i.redd.it/13afscwnwrl31.jpg)

And here's one in action. I see them all around my city:

(https://i.imgur.com/dmvy4yT.gif)