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Title: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 16, 2020, 03:06:00 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/25/gm-mosquitoes-released-burkina-faso-malaria-gene-drive

A little old but do we need any more proof Bill Gates is a POS? Working in cahoots with The Pentagon, he proposes unleashing genetically engineered mosquitoes into a poor (coloured) country using the CRISPR machine (which has been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction).

Their glossy 'brochure' does not make them believable. Why not unleash it in their own country otherwise?

Even if you're a fan of Bill Gates in the past surely this idea leaves an unsettling feeling in the hardest of fans. It is super unethical and insisted on a population which many either don't understand or don't want it.

This is only the start of CRISPR in action against a human populous. You can already see that they target the poor.

To hell with Bill Gates. He's really gone too far this time!  >:(
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: rabinoz on June 16, 2020, 06:47:11 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/25/gm-mosquitoes-released-burkina-faso-malaria-gene-drive

A little old but do we need any more proof Bill Gates is a POS? Working in cahoots with The Pentagon, he proposes unleashing genetically engineered mosquitoes into a poor (coloured) country using the CRISPR machine (which has been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction).

Their glossy 'brochure' does not make them believable. Why not unleash it in their own country otherwise?
What total crap! Your hatred of Bill Gates is making you paranoid!

You ask "Why not unleash it in their own country?"
Possible the test would need to be done in a country with malaria mosquitoes. Did you consider that?

And where has the "CRISPR machine" been "been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction"?
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 16, 2020, 06:54:03 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/25/gm-mosquitoes-released-burkina-faso-malaria-gene-drive

A little old but do we need any more proof Bill Gates is a POS? Working in cahoots with The Pentagon, he proposes unleashing genetically engineered mosquitoes into a poor (coloured) country using the CRISPR machine (which has been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction).

Their glossy 'brochure' does not make them believable. Why not unleash it in their own country otherwise?
What total crap! Your hatred of Bill Gates is making you paranoid!

You ask "Why not unleash it in their own country?"
Possible the test would need to be done in a country with malaria mosquitoes. Did you consider that?

And where has the "CRISPR machine" been "been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction"?


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/crispr-weapon-mass-destruction

https://www.technologyreview.com/2016/02/09/71575/top-us-intelligence-official-calls-gene-editing-a-wmd-threat/

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a19389/could-gene-editing-be-used-as-a-weapon-of-mass-destruction/

And it goes on. Try to keep up

It's not enough for Bill Gates to get in bed with Monsanto. The creator of DDT and Agent Orange. Now he works for the Pentagon working with weapons of mass destruction to unleash on poor developing countries

It's unethical, no matter how you try and splice it (pun intended)

Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: rabinoz on June 16, 2020, 07:59:20 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/25/gm-mosquitoes-released-burkina-faso-malaria-gene-drive

A little old but do we need any more proof Bill Gates is a POS? Working in cahoots with The Pentagon, he proposes unleashing genetically engineered mosquitoes into a poor (coloured) country using the CRISPR machine (which has been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction).

Their glossy 'brochure' does not make them believable. Why not unleash it in their own country otherwise?
What total crap! Your hatred of Bill Gates is making you paranoid!

You ask "Why not unleash it in their own country?"
Possible the test would need to be done in a country with malaria mosquitoes. Did you consider that?

And where has the "CRISPR machine" been "been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction"?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/crispr-weapon-mass-destruction
That simply question's it a queries whether it should be used in humans.

Quote from: Shifter
https://www.technologyreview.com/2016/02/09/71575/top-us-intelligence-official-calls-gene-editing-a-wmd-threat/
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a19389/could-gene-editing-be-used-as-a-weapon-of-mass-destruction/
So what? There are numerous things that could put into that category. Even a virus not too different to SARS could be used the same way.

Quote from: Shifter
And it goes on. Try to keep up

It's not enough for Bill Gates to get in bed with Monsanto. The creator of DDT and Agent Orange. Now he works for the Pentagon working with weapons of mass destruction to unleash on poor developing countries
What total garbage! But you are always trying to pull down anybody better than yourself.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 16, 2020, 08:19:33 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/25/gm-mosquitoes-released-burkina-faso-malaria-gene-drive

A little old but do we need any more proof Bill Gates is a POS? Working in cahoots with The Pentagon, he proposes unleashing genetically engineered mosquitoes into a poor (coloured) country using the CRISPR machine (which has been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction).

Their glossy 'brochure' does not make them believable. Why not unleash it in their own country otherwise?
What total crap! Your hatred of Bill Gates is making you paranoid!

You ask "Why not unleash it in their own country?"
Possible the test would need to be done in a country with malaria mosquitoes. Did you consider that?

And where has the "CRISPR machine" been "been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction"?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/crispr-weapon-mass-destruction
That simply question's it a queries whether it should be used in humans.

Quote from: Shifter
https://www.technologyreview.com/2016/02/09/71575/top-us-intelligence-official-calls-gene-editing-a-wmd-threat/
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a19389/could-gene-editing-be-used-as-a-weapon-of-mass-destruction/
So what? There are numerous things that could put into that category. Even a virus not too different to SARS could be used the same way.

Quote from: Shifter
And it goes on. Try to keep up

It's not enough for Bill Gates to get in bed with Monsanto. The creator of DDT and Agent Orange. Now he works for the Pentagon working with weapons of mass destruction to unleash on poor developing countries
What total garbage! But you are always trying to pull down anybody better than yourself.

It's not garbage it's fact

What is garbage though is Bill Gates. Human trash

So you have no problem unleashing genetically modified animals into the wild?

Humans have a history of frelling things up when they intervene with nature.

How's the cane toads working out?
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: sokarul on June 17, 2020, 04:08:43 AM
Another science illiterate thread.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: MicroBeta on June 17, 2020, 04:24:55 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/25/gm-mosquitoes-released-burkina-faso-malaria-gene-drive

A little old but do we need any more proof Bill Gates is a POS? Working in cahoots with The Pentagon, he proposes unleashing genetically engineered mosquitoes into a poor (coloured) country using the CRISPR machine (which has been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction).

Their glossy 'brochure' does not make them believable. Why not unleash it in their own country otherwise?

Even if you're a fan of Bill Gates in the past surely this idea leaves an unsettling feeling in the hardest of fans. It is super unethical and insisted on a population which many either don't understand or don't want it.

This is only the start of CRISPR in action against a human populous. You can already see that they target the poor.

To hell with Bill Gates. He's really gone too far this time!  >:(
All of those articles, and others, that talk about CRISPR being use as a weapon talk about terrorists creating bio-weapons.  Since you're clearly implying that's what Gates is doing where's the evidence.  Where's that thing you can hold up and show everyone that says Bill Gates is a terrorist or has some nefarious intent? 

If you're going to make the claim then prove it.  Where's that smoking gun?

Mike
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: markjo on June 17, 2020, 06:16:03 AM
It's not garbage it's fact
No, it's an opinion based on a creative interpretation of the facts.

So you have no problem unleashing genetically modified animals into the wild?
People have been modifying animals for thousands of years.  GM is just a more direct way.

Humans have a history of frelling things up when they intervene with nature.
Then why single out Bill Gates?

How's the cane toads working out?
Last I heard, cane toads weren't genetically modified, just introduced into the wrong environment.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 17, 2020, 06:19:45 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/25/gm-mosquitoes-released-burkina-faso-malaria-gene-drive

A little old but do we need any more proof Bill Gates is a POS? Working in cahoots with The Pentagon, he proposes unleashing genetically engineered mosquitoes into a poor (coloured) country using the CRISPR machine (which has been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction).

Their glossy 'brochure' does not make them believable. Why not unleash it in their own country otherwise?

Even if you're a fan of Bill Gates in the past surely this idea leaves an unsettling feeling in the hardest of fans. It is super unethical and insisted on a population which many either don't understand or don't want it.

This is only the start of CRISPR in action against a human populous. You can already see that they target the poor.

To hell with Bill Gates. He's really gone too far this time!  >:(
All of those articles, and others, that talk about CRISPR being use as a weapon talk about terrorists creating bio-weapons.  Since you're clearly implying that's what Gates is doing where's the evidence.  Where's that thing you can hold up and show everyone that says Bill Gates is a terrorist or has some nefarious intent? 

If you're going to make the claim then prove it.  Where's that smoking gun?

Mike

CRISPR is a gene editing tool. It leaves permernant changes to the animal and future offspring. It is also pretty clumsy as in humans don't know the full extent or implications of what they edit out or paste in.

It is not some simple lab tool. You think because your hero Mr Gates funds it the Pentagon are going to he benevolent in its use against human populations?

The American government is the biggest threat to world security and the largest terrorist organisation. America first rhetoric bullshit and all.

Clearly the lead in the American water has dumbed you all right down. No wonder your so basic
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 17, 2020, 06:22:34 AM
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It's not garbage it's fact
No, it's an opinion based on a creative interpretation of the facts.

So you have no problem unleashing genetically modified animals into the wild?
People have been modifying animals for thousands of years.  GM is just a more direct way.

Humans have a history of frelling things up when they intervene with nature.
Then why single out Bill Gates?

How's the cane toads working out?
Last I heard, cane toads weren't genetically modified, just introduced into the wrong environment.

Yeah, when we GE organisms the old fashioned way it's a slow process but nature still dictates whst is and isn't possible.

So we can breed a cute little dog or an aggressive one. We can make pretty flowers etc

CRISPR can do a lot more than nature would let happen even over thousands of generations. It's not a toy
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: sokarul on June 17, 2020, 06:28:15 AM
No need for fallacies. Nobody claimed they were a toy.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: markjo on June 17, 2020, 06:32:03 AM
CRISPR can do a lot more than nature would let happen even over thousands of generations. It's not a toy
It's also nothing new.  Gene editing has been around for almost 50 years, and you're just now getting around to being outraged? ::)
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 17, 2020, 06:38:40 AM
CRISPR can do a lot more than nature would let happen even over thousands of generations. It's not a toy
It's also nothing new.  Gene editing has been around for almost 50 years, and you're just now getting around to being outraged? ::)

The ability to frig up an animal and even a human has not been possible for 50 years. CRISPR takes gene editing to a batshit crazy level

I've seen the movie Rampage. I know what it can do!  8)
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: markjo on June 17, 2020, 06:51:34 AM
CRISPR can do a lot more than nature would let happen even over thousands of generations. It's not a toy
It's also nothing new.  Gene editing has been around for almost 50 years, and you're just now getting around to being outraged? ::)

The ability to frig up an animal and even a human has not been possible for 50 years.

Gene splicing dates back to the early 1970s.
Quote from: http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/from-corgis-to-corn-a-brief-look-at-the-long-history-of-gmo-technology/
An enormous breakthrough in GMO technology came in 1973, when Herbert Boyer and Stanley Cohen worked together to engineer the first successful genetically engineered (GE) organism [5]. The two scientists developed a method to very specifically cut out a gene from one organism and paste it into another. Using this method, they transferred a gene that encodes antibiotic resistance from one strain of bacteria into another, bestowing antibiotic resistance upon the recipient. One year later, Rudolf Jaenisch and Beatrice Mintz utilized a similar procedure in animals, introducing foreign DNA into mouse embryos [6].


CRISPR takes gene editing to a batshit crazy level
Yeah?  So?

I've seen the movie Rampage. I know what it can do!  8)
Ah, so now you admit that you're just trolling and we can have a mod move this thread to AR or CN where it belongs?
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 17, 2020, 07:22:12 AM
CRISPR can do a lot more than nature would let happen even over thousands of generations. It's not a toy
It's also nothing new.  Gene editing has been around for almost 50 years, and you're just now getting around to being outraged? ::)

The ability to frig up an animal and even a human has not been possible for 50 years.

Gene splicing dates back to the early 1970s.
Quote from: http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/from-corgis-to-corn-a-brief-look-at-the-long-history-of-gmo-technology/
An enormous breakthrough in GMO technology came in 1973, when Herbert Boyer and Stanley Cohen worked together to engineer the first successful genetically engineered (GE) organism [5]. The two scientists developed a method to very specifically cut out a gene from one organism and paste it into another. Using this method, they transferred a gene that encodes antibiotic resistance from one strain of bacteria into another, bestowing antibiotic resistance upon the recipient. One year later, Rudolf Jaenisch and Beatrice Mintz utilized a similar procedure in animals, introducing foreign DNA into mouse embryos [6].


CRISPR takes gene editing to a batshit crazy level
Yeah?  So?

I've seen the movie Rampage. I know what it can do!  8)
Ah, so now you admit that you're just trolling and we can have a mod move this thread to AR or CN where it belongs?

That last line was simply throw away jest to show I don't harbour bad feelings to ignorant yanks. Bill Gates is still all manner of evil with no ethical standards. Monsanto, thd Pentagon... He has some strange and disturbing bedfellows
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: sokarul on June 17, 2020, 07:48:08 AM
On a scale of 0 to 7 billion, how many people would die if GM crops disappeared?
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: markjo on June 17, 2020, 08:01:45 AM
That last line was simply throw away jest to show I don't harbour bad feelings to ignorant yanks. Bill Gates is still all manner of evil with no ethical standards. Monsanto, thd Pentagon... He has some strange and disturbing bedfellows
Personally, I think that his crimes regarding the forced bundling of DOS and Windows on early PCs dwarf any GMO sins he might be committing now.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: JJA on June 17, 2020, 08:04:13 AM
Personally, I think that his crimes regarding the forced bundling of DOS and Windows on early PCs dwarf any GMO sins he might be committing now.

I have to imagine after he left Microsoft he checked his Karma balance, saw how insanely negative it was and decided he better spend 50 billion dollars helping people and save a few hundred million children as a START to get it going back up.  Good luck! :)
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: MicroBeta on June 17, 2020, 09:05:07 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/25/gm-mosquitoes-released-burkina-faso-malaria-gene-drive

A little old but do we need any more proof Bill Gates is a POS? Working in cahoots with The Pentagon, he proposes unleashing genetically engineered mosquitoes into a poor (coloured) country using the CRISPR machine (which has been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction).

Their glossy 'brochure' does not make them believable. Why not unleash it in their own country otherwise?

Even if you're a fan of Bill Gates in the past surely this idea leaves an unsettling feeling in the hardest of fans. It is super unethical and insisted on a population which many either don't understand or don't want it.

This is only the start of CRISPR in action against a human populous. You can already see that they target the poor.

To hell with Bill Gates. He's really gone too far this time!  >:(
All of those articles, and others, that talk about CRISPR being use as a weapon talk about terrorists creating bio-weapons.  Since you're clearly implying that's what Gates is doing where's the evidence.  Where's that thing you can hold up and show everyone that says Bill Gates is a terrorist or has some nefarious intent? 

If you're going to make the claim then prove it.  Where's that smoking gun?

Mike

CRISPR is a gene editing tool. It leaves permernant changes to the animal and future offspring. It is also pretty clumsy as in humans don't know the full extent or implications of what they edit out or paste in.

It is not some simple lab tool. You think because your hero Mr Gates funds it the Pentagon are going to he benevolent in its use against human populations?

The American government is the biggest threat to world security and the largest terrorist organisation. America first rhetoric bullshit and all.

Clearly the lead in the American water has dumbed you all right down. No wonder your so basic
Gates isn't my hero.  It's just that you're making claims you can't backup.  Clearly all you have claims and assumptions.

Mike
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 17, 2020, 02:06:41 PM
On a scale of 0 to 7 billion, how many people would die if GM crops disappeared?

Capitalism is the main reason why people starve. There is far more than enough food to go around

I have no problem with cultivation and selective breeding of crops over time (like how we came to have attractive and tasty fruit like our modern banana) but frankly, Monsanto can frig off and the world would frankly be healthier. We don't need them and they haven't 'saved' anyone

To the contrary, they have made your people specifically much sicker.

Frankly CRISPR tech can go to hell too.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 17, 2020, 02:07:55 PM
Personally, I think that his crimes regarding the forced bundling of DOS and Windows on early PCs dwarf any GMO sins he might be committing now.

I have to imagine after he left Microsoft he checked his Karma balance, saw how insanely negative it was and decided he better spend 50 billion dollars helping people and save a few hundred million children as a START to get it going back up.  Good luck! :)

The road to hell is paved with good intentions
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on June 17, 2020, 04:28:01 PM
On a scale of 0 to 7 billion, how many people would die if GM crops disappeared?

Capitalism is the main reason why people starve. There is far more than enough food to go around

I have no problem with cultivation and selective breeding of crops over time (like how we came to have attractive and tasty fruit like our modern banana) but frankly, Monsanto can frig off and the world would frankly be healthier. We don't need them and they haven't 'saved' anyone

To the contrary, they have made your people specifically much sicker.

Frankly CRISPR tech can go to hell too.

And what do you think would work better than capitalism to stave off world hunger?
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 17, 2020, 06:44:14 PM
On a scale of 0 to 7 billion, how many people would die if GM crops disappeared?

Capitalism is the main reason why people starve. There is far more than enough food to go around

I have no problem with cultivation and selective breeding of crops over time (like how we came to have attractive and tasty fruit like our modern banana) but frankly, Monsanto can frig off and the world would frankly be healthier. We don't need them and they haven't 'saved' anyone

To the contrary, they have made your people specifically much sicker.

Frankly CRISPR tech can go to hell too.

And what do you think would work better than capitalism to stave off world hunger?

Utopian
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: markjo on June 17, 2020, 08:30:34 PM
On a scale of 0 to 7 billion, how many people would die if GM crops disappeared?

Capitalism is the main reason why people starve. There is far more than enough food to go around

I have no problem with cultivation and selective breeding of crops over time (like how we came to have attractive and tasty fruit like our modern banana) but frankly, Monsanto can frig off and the world would frankly be healthier. We don't need them and they haven't 'saved' anyone

To the contrary, they have made your people specifically much sicker.

Frankly CRISPR tech can go to hell too.

And what do you think would work better than capitalism to stave off world hunger?

Utopian
Good luck with that.  In the mean time, what do you recommend for the real world?
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on June 22, 2020, 01:09:37 AM
Capitalism is the main reason why people starve. There is far more than enough food to go around

I have no problem with cultivation and selective breeding of crops over time (like how we came to have attractive and tasty fruit like our modern banana) but frankly, Monsanto can frig off and the world would frankly be healthier. We don't need them and they haven't 'saved' anyone

To the contrary, they have made your people specifically much sicker.

Frankly CRISPR tech can go to hell too.

Go to Mozambique, Zimbabwe ext. They have very low levels of trade, i.e. capitalism. These are super fertile countries, but people starve.
please explain how this is possible if capitalism causes people to starve.
BTW, when Zimbabwe had more capital, more trade, the people there did not starve, they exported food, now they mass import when their capitalist system collapsed.

CRISPR being a weapon of mass destruction and should never be used is the same as saying radiation is dangerous so we should not have x-ray machines.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on June 22, 2020, 02:22:10 AM

Capitalism is the main reason why people starve.
They seemed to starve in large numbers pretty well before capitalism.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 22, 2020, 03:13:28 AM

Capitalism is the main reason why people starve.
They seemed to starve in large numbers pretty well before capitalism.

Indeed, but the capitalism model relies on there being people that are poor - regardless of their work output

For example if the average wage was $1 million dollars - do you think you could still buy a 2L bottle of milk for $2? No. It would increase to a point where it's out of reach for some. It has to for it to work. That is the abhorrence of the model.



Capitalism is the main reason why people starve. There is far more than enough food to go around

I have no problem with cultivation and selective breeding of crops over time (like how we came to have attractive and tasty fruit like our modern banana) but frankly, Monsanto can frig off and the world would frankly be healthier. We don't need them and they haven't 'saved' anyone

To the contrary, they have made your people specifically much sicker.

Frankly CRISPR tech can go to hell too.

Go to Mozambique, Zimbabwe ext. They have very low levels of trade, i.e. capitalism. These are super fertile countries, but people starve.
please explain how this is possible if capitalism causes people to starve.
BTW, when Zimbabwe had more capital, more trade, the people there did not starve, they exported food, now they mass import when their capitalist system collapsed.

CRISPR being a weapon of mass destruction and should never be used is the same as saying radiation is dangerous so we should not have x-ray machines.


The problem with a lot of African countries is a corrupt power hungry government and personal greed.

X-rays are not experimental technology that forever changes ones DNA - not just for your life but every future generation proceeding it. It is a medical diagnostictool. It doesn't change you. You cant compare the 2.

You might think 'oh it's only being used on mosquitoes' but that's where it starts doesn't. Ask yourself, where will it end?

There are countries out there such as China that don't give 2 shits about ethics or morality. Whose to say they dont use this in secret? Do you think them an open and transparent country?

So yes. Label this device a weapon of mass destruction because that's what it is more than capable of. And perhaps that label ensures countries act responsibly and are obliged to document its use should they be using it.

An atomic bomb can be used to deflect or destroy incoming asteroids - they can be a tool for good purposes too. But they are still labelled as a WMD

Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 22, 2020, 03:36:14 AM

A little old but do we need any more proof Bill Gates is a POS?

Apparently?



Working in cahoots with The Pentagon, he proposes unleashing genetically engineered mosquitoes into a poor (coloured) country using the CRISPR machine (which has been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction).

Cahoots are the worst.

So glad you brought this to our attention.
We should go burn down shit and loot the fuck out of things, right?
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 22, 2020, 03:39:02 AM

A little old but do we need any more proof Bill Gates is a POS?

Apparently?



Working in cahoots with The Pentagon, he proposes unleashing genetically engineered mosquitoes into a poor (coloured) country using the CRISPR machine (which has been recognised as a weapon of mass destruction).

Cahoots are the worst.

So glad you brought this to our attention.
We should go burn down shit and loot the fuck out of things, right?

Yes. Finally someone gets it. If you happen to swing buy a cheese cake shop, save me a slice  8)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v7ge9x/rare-moment-of-levity-a-person-seemingly-looting-a-whole-cheesecake
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Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 22, 2020, 03:41:39 AM
dammit, now I want cheese cake.   >:(
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on June 22, 2020, 03:44:27 AM
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For example if the average wage was $1 million dollars - do you think you could still buy a 2L bottle of milk for $2? No. It would increase to a point where it's out of reach for some. It has to for it to work. That is the abhorrence of the model.
Except countries with high minimal wages dont have their cost of milk miraculously be high. Because they then invest in automation. to keep cost down. Go actually have a look at countries with high GDP and low GINI numbers opposed to repeating whatever propaganda you keep reading.

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The problem with a lot of African countries is a corrupt power hungry government and personal greed.
The problem with Americans is they think they know what is happening around the world. You cant feed people if you dont allow financial incentives to farm. So everyone is a subsistence farmer that cant afford tools to help them develop better outputs. i.e. before capitalism, people died every time there was a drought. More capitalism , less starvation because you can now trade.

Capitalism is also useless without a system to keep the checks and balances in order, the USA has messed these checks and balances up.

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X-rays are not experimental technology that forever changes ones DNA
But X-rays CAN destroy and modify your DNA, that is why there are limits in how many X-rays are recommended to people.
Its almost like all technology needs to be handled with care, just like CRISPR

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There are countries out there such as China that don't give 2 shits about ethics or morality
China may be a shitty country when it comes to transparency, but they have actually jailed people for unethical experimentation with CRISPR.
Just like every technology, you need to develop rules and guidelines in its use.

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An atomic bomb can be used to deflect or destroy incoming asteroids - they can be a tool for good purposes too. But they are still labelled as a WMD
And CRISPR is used to remove Malaria that kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. But I suppose they are in Africa, so you dont care about them. Or treat people with genetic disorders. It has MASSIVE positive use to help people.
But I suppose we should avoid it because you dont understand how it works.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 22, 2020, 03:56:44 AM
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For example if the average wage was $1 million dollars - do you think you could still buy a 2L bottle of milk for $2? No. It would increase to a point where it's out of reach for some. It has to for it to work. That is the abhorrence of the model.
Except countries with high minimal wages dont have their cost of milk miraculously be high. Because they then invest in automation. to keep cost down. Go actually have a look at countries with high GDP and low GINI numbers opposed to repeating whatever propaganda you keep reading.

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The problem with a lot of African countries is a corrupt power hungry government and personal greed.
The problem with Americans is they think they know what is happening around the world. You cant feed people if you dont allow financial incentives to farm. So everyone is a subsistence farmer that cant afford tools to help them develop better outputs. i.e. before capitalism, people died every time there was a drought. More capitalism , less starvation because you can now trade.

Capitalism is also useless without a system to keep the checks and balances in order, the USA has messed these checks and balances up.

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X-rays are not experimental technology that forever changes ones DNA
But X-rays CAN destroy and modify your DNA, that is why there are limits in how many X-rays are recommended to people.
Its almost like all technology needs to be handled with care, just like CRISPR

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There are countries out there such as China that don't give 2 shits about ethics or morality
China may be a shitty country when it comes to transparency, but they have actually jailed people for unethical experimentation with CRISPR.
Just like every technology, you need to develop rules and guidelines in its use.

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An atomic bomb can be used to deflect or destroy incoming asteroids - they can be a tool for good purposes too. But they are still labelled as a WMD
And CRISPR is used to remove Malaria that kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. But I suppose they are in Africa, so you dont care about them. Or treat people with genetic disorders. It has MASSIVE positive use to help people.
But I suppose we should avoid it because you dont understand how it works.


You are more exposed to radiation jetting off overseas then you are of an X-ray. Obviously though you moderate the exposure vs need. If you have a suspected broken your arm you dont forego an X-ray because of a micro dose of radiation. But you dont behave frivolously with it. The change in your DNA from radiation damage is not going to be a change in genetic information you pass onto offspring

One day, when enough baby steps have been taken with so called 'responsible and careful' use of CRISPR, it or something like it could be used to make designer babies. Oh, you want black hair, green eyes and a musical gift to go with cutting out that mutated CFTR gene? No worries

I suppose you could even end the whole skin coloured prejudice debate by making everyone look the same shade

Point is, you know that's the inevitable direction technology like this is going for. Baby steps seem small until you look back and cant even see the shore line



Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on June 22, 2020, 04:00:56 AM
I've actually got some in the fridge. lime. 

Maybe have a little slice after lunch.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on June 22, 2020, 06:45:23 AM
One day, when enough baby steps have been taken with so called 'responsible and careful' use of CRISPR, it or something like it could be used to make designer babies. Oh, you want black hair, green eyes and a musical gift to go with cutting out that mutated CFTR gene? No worries

I suppose you could even end the whole skin coloured prejudice debate by making everyone look the same shade

Point is, you know that's the inevitable direction technology like this is going for. Baby steps seem small until you look back and cant even see the shore line
We have always moved the "line". There was and never will be a line.

When last did you stone a homosexual?

I dont care about the question of Morality, that mostly a discussion in current politics and mass perception.

We where talking about the responsible use of technology like CRISPR. All those things you said about x-rays came about as the technology was better understood. We dont fear it anymore, and the same will be true for CRISPR.

If people want designer babies in the future, and society sees it as okay, then laws will change and that will happen. No amount of jumping up and down will change that. If it was against Gods will, it would not be a possibility. So either God approves, has no control or does not exist.
If you want to make sure the technology is correctly used, as it should be used, then become highly educated about it and join scientific communities that can have a say over how it is used.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 22, 2020, 07:27:51 AM
One day, when enough baby steps have been taken with so called 'responsible and careful' use of CRISPR, it or something like it could be used to make designer babies. Oh, you want black hair, green eyes and a musical gift to go with cutting out that mutated CFTR gene? No worries

I suppose you could even end the whole skin coloured prejudice debate by making everyone look the same shade

Point is, you know that's the inevitable direction technology like this is going for. Baby steps seem small until you look back and cant even see the shore line
We have always moved the "line". There was and never will be a line.

When last did you stone a homosexual?

I dont care about the question of Morality, that mostly a discussion in current politics and mass perception.

We where talking about the responsible use of technology like CRISPR. All those things you said about x-rays came about as the technology was better understood. We dont fear it anymore, and the same will be true for CRISPR.

If people want designer babies in the future, and society sees it as okay, then laws will change and that will happen. No amount of jumping up and down will change that. If it was against Gods will, it would not be a possibility. So either God approves, has no control or does not exist.
If you want to make sure the technology is correctly used, as it should be used, then become highly educated about it and join scientific communities that can have a say over how it is used.

Do you think 'designer babies' are ethical? You are allowed an opinion. You dont have to 'accept' that because it probably will be OK in the future, you must be OK with it today

Problem I see with designer babies is the rich will make the most of it. And you will get people competing with each other over who can make the best athlete, gifted musician, strongest person, most intelligent person etc. Sure, you could eliminate the cancer gene or the CF gene or many other inherited defects - but you know it wont stop there. At some point, some of the things that make us human will be lost.

And what of poorer people and nations. Let us hope that one of the worst traits that make us human - prejudice  - is somehow lost so that we dont have yet another class warfare on each other

And of course you will always have people with nefarious motives. Once upon a time the idea of a 3D printer would seem like something big enough that only a lab could do. Now everyone can have one at home and even print a gun. The technology behind CRISPR or future iterations will probably end up small enough or available enough that responsible oversight of its use is impossible

I dont have to like CRISPR. Now or in the future. Pretty sure some government dick in the future will find a way to weaponise it and unleash it on a population or ethnic group he doesn't like. Sometimes its better in the long term future to leave Pandoras box closed.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: sokarul on June 22, 2020, 03:05:04 PM



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Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 22, 2020, 03:23:42 PM



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Air capture is shit. Doesn't hold a candle to trees. Trees do a lot more than remove carbon from the air. They help with precipitation and encourage bio diversity among other things.

If you think the answer is building these giant monstrosities then you are a lost cause

Plant more trees.

And WTF does this crappy investment have to do with a CRISPR machine? Do you think putting money into this air capture is worthy to hero worship old man Gates?

Stick to the topic of CRISPR. This isn't some lower fora board you can troll because you're bored

Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: sokarul on June 22, 2020, 03:35:46 PM
There is only so many ways you can flex your lack of science knowledge. It's best to move on.
Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: Shifter on June 22, 2020, 03:39:30 PM
There is only so many ways you can flex your lack of science knowledge. It's best to move on.

So you're saying trees are insignificant and that those air capture stacks are better

Yeah, nice to know where you stand, yank. When you finish off with all the worlds trees, let me know how that works out for you ::)

Take your lame insults to AR if you have nothing to add here.

Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: wise on June 22, 2020, 11:59:25 PM

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He makes it to produce calcium carbonate and to sell it. calcium carbonate is a valuable product has many usage field.

In short, one more time again, he does not do anything free of charge, but to gain more money.

Why don't you ask him that why he does not create hughe wind power plants and work with them air conditioning water produce systems by using the air and make an end to drought in Africa? Because it does not bring money? But calcium carbonat is more and more expensive than water, just you get it?

Title: Re: Bill Gates utilising weapon of mass destruction with US government
Post by: sokarul on June 23, 2020, 05:48:48 AM
There is only so many ways you can flex your lack of science knowledge. It's best to move on.

So you're saying trees are insignificant and that those air capture stacks are better

Yeah, nice to know where you stand, yank. When you finish off with all the worlds trees, let me know how that works out for you ::)

Take your lame insults to AR if you have nothing to add here.

No I did not say that. Please don't make quotes up in your head. It makes you look stupid.