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Title: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on June 12, 2020, 03:04:59 AM
Been watching a few South Korean movies and dramas lately. And I have to say, in basically any genre, they crap all over Hollywood movies. Perhaps because Hollywood movies are so predictable. And lately Hollywood seem to be going after 'safe' scripts, rebooting movies no one asked for. Adding sequels no one wanted and are trying to get on the whole 'woke' bandwagon

With South Korean movies, you never know if your hero will make it to the end of the movie. The characters are much less hollow, the plot if far more unpredictable as they dont play it safe. They also dont have any 'woke' fans to appease. When you think the movie is ending, there is still more to tie up the loose ends and conclude the story (it may not have a happy ending unlike Hollywood) whereas American movies just kind of 'end'.

America has tried to copy South Korean movies in the past but they just utterly fail at it. For example 'Oldboy'. America copied to abysmal failure in 2013 with Josh Brolin. Dumb. Even if you didn't know it was copied

Now America wants to copy 'Train to Busan'. I mean, WTF is wrong with the Korean original? Do Americans really hate reading subtitles in films? I cant believe English dubbing is actually a thing as in 100% of cases in never does the actors or movies justice. Subtitles are seamless to read and view the movie but interesting to see that some people absolutely detest them. Who has seen Train to Busan?

Revenge films is something Korea does really well. John Wick is an American example of the genre at its finest

If you like John Wick, see revenge movies like Oldboy, A Bittersweet Life, Man from Nowhere, I saw the Devil, The Villainess
If you like Zombie movies, see Train to Busan
If you like action movies the list is endless, but the most recent one I watched was Steel Rain and that rates pretty good
They do a lot of good thriller and horror movies too and they know how to execute a successful twist in a movie. The only genre in which I think they are lacking a bit is Science Fiction.

Ma Dong-seok is like the Korean 'Rock', and he's also going to star in the Marvel movie 'The Eternals'. Cant wait  8)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8pQU7Lp5Cs2BdiMxfb3nQXnMJmFBdt-TbykrvGTSaslhvQSIQp_A7Kj4mVQHecWTk_P2zgHb695QBzTNKR-gwUrJvHNIqDtD=w1200-rw-nu-e365)

Here is a clip from near the beginning of Steel Rain



And 'Eontalk' on YouTube is great at ranking and discussing all the best movies

Say NO! to Hollywood crap  :P
Say YES to Korean movies!  8)
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on June 12, 2020, 03:48:21 AM
Also if you like horror movies watch the Wailing.

And anything by Bong Joon Ho.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on June 12, 2020, 03:56:29 AM
Also if you like horror movies watch the Wailing.

And anything by Bong Joon Ho.

I literally just bought The Wailing this morning hehe. (have not seen it). Cost a mint being a collectors edition with all the fancy slip case packaging and other memorabilia included with a steelbook

I also have (but not watched yet) 'The Witch: Subversion Part 1'. Supposed to be really good

SnowPiercer, another gem by Bong Joon Ho is another favourite of mine and it stars Chris Evans, Tilda Swinton, Ed Harris etc

I'm going to buy 'The Host' soon and I have the 4K of Parasite on the way
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on June 12, 2020, 08:36:50 AM
SnowPiercer was so weird I watched it about 4 times. It's one of those movies that you don't see everything in just one viewing. I wonder if the series will be as good.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Crouton on June 12, 2020, 09:50:10 AM
I am one of the outcasts that didn't like Snowpiercer.  Maybe I'd like it more if I watched it again.  I kept thinking, if they just changed the premise of this movie to the train has to keep moving to stay in the sunlight it would have made a lot more sense.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on June 12, 2020, 11:53:38 AM
I think that it didn't make sense is part of the reason I liked it.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on June 13, 2020, 04:02:37 AM
I think that it didn't make sense is part of the reason I liked it.

I found this page explains it ok
https://blog.acton.org/archives/70893-understand-snowpiercer.html

I've seen it twice and will no doubt watch it again sometime. I have not watched the series though. I read a synopsis briefly and was not intrigued. Maybe if I get bored enough I'll give a few episodes a chance
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: markjo on June 13, 2020, 12:48:22 PM
90% of everything is crap. -- Sturgeon's law

Corollaries:
No one can agree as to which 10% isn't crap.

There's no guarantee that 10% isn't crap too.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JJA on June 13, 2020, 01:07:21 PM
90% of everything is crap. -- Sturgeon's law

Corollaries:
No one can agree as to which 10% isn't crap.

There's no guarantee that 10% isn't crap too.

That is by far my favorite law.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 13, 2020, 02:27:49 PM

Why are Hollywood movies so crap?

Because people pay to watch them.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on June 22, 2020, 11:34:39 AM
SnowPiercer, another gem by Bong Joon Ho is another favourite of mine and it stars Chris Evans, Tilda Swinton, Ed Harris etc
Not exactly a Korean film though, is it?  Based on a French book, filmed in Europe and staring American and English actors.  It's pretty much an international movie.

Might try that Steel Rain and Train to Busan on your tips.  Been meaning to check out more Korean stuff.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Jamie on June 30, 2020, 05:24:01 PM
Hollywood movies suck mostly 'cause they have to pander to the widest audience possible to maximize their revenue.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on July 19, 2020, 06:38:08 PM
Just saw that movie 'Parasite' twice (was so good).

F Trump for suggesting it was not worthy of its Oscar wins. Korean cinema time and time again takes a steaming dump on American made trash

Except John Wick. But even so, 'The Villainess' from Korea dumps a steaming pile on that too lol
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Crouton on July 19, 2020, 08:45:34 PM
How does it compare to Snowpiercer?
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on July 19, 2020, 09:06:17 PM
How does it compare to Snowpiercer?

It was hilarious and serious within the same movie. It has a dark theme underlying it whereas snowpiercer was just dark and violent. You can picture scenario in Parasite to be plausible today where snowpiercer is just fiction (except for mankind ruining the world lol). You will laugh a lot during this movie as long as you don't destroy the viewing with an English dub.

Look up Chris Stuckmann on YouTube. I find almost every review he does to be on point and accurate. He gave this one an A+
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Crouton on July 19, 2020, 09:20:41 PM
I like Chris Stuckmann.  I'll check it out.  Just a little worried because it's done by the same guy that did Snowpiercer and apparently I'm the only person in the world who didn't like Snowpiercer.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on July 20, 2020, 12:17:05 AM
I like Chris Stuckmann.  I'll check it out.  Just a little worried because it's done by the same guy that did Snowpiercer and apparently I'm the only person in the world who didn't like Snowpiercer.

I'd say this is more fun and more beautifully shot (not on a dirty train with dirty people) than Snowpiercer.

I watched this on 4K blu ray which does help make it look spectacular too.

I think you'd have a good time with it

I recently saw his movie 'The Host', a monster movie. He did a good job with that one given the genre. Comparing it to B grade monster movies like Sharknado or Piranha this was epically awesome.

His other directorial works like Memories of a murder, Mother and Okja are also highly praised. Got Okja on my Netflix watch list to watch when I get a chance
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Jamie on July 29, 2020, 06:17:34 AM
I like Chris Stuckmann. 

I'm just here for Chris. I love watching that dude's stuff.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JJA on July 29, 2020, 06:43:55 AM
I like Chris Stuckmann.  I'll check it out.  Just a little worried because it's done by the same guy that did Snowpiercer and apparently I'm the only person in the world who didn't like Snowpiercer.

Nah, I didn't like it either.  It just didn't make any sense to me which took away from the visuals and theme for me.  It would have worked if it was set in a fantasy land with magic, but as a near-future kind of thing it just didn't work.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on July 29, 2020, 07:33:42 AM
Korean movies I recently seen

Along with the Gods Parts 1 & 2 - Awesome movies! Fantasy, action, a little light hearted comedy and drama all in 1
The Thieves - Heist movie, lots of Korean A listers, long movie but lots of fun
The Pirates - Set in 1300s in the Joseon period, this is an action comedy that's a great popcorn flick.
Extreme Job - Police action/comedy that's full of laughs the whole movie through. Biggest box office take in Korean history apparently
Rampant - A zombie movie set in the Joseon period - a little slow but does have its moments. No zombie movie can compare with Train to Busan though!

I have plenty more in my collection to watch too 8)
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on July 30, 2020, 08:34:37 AM
I like Chris Stuckmann.  I'll check it out.  Just a little worried because it's done by the same guy that did Snowpiercer and apparently I'm the only person in the world who didn't like Snowpiercer.
Huh. I liked Snowpiercer better than Parasite tbh, but most people disagree.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on July 30, 2020, 08:38:13 AM
I like Chris Stuckmann.  I'll check it out.  Just a little worried because it's done by the same guy that did Snowpiercer and apparently I'm the only person in the world who didn't like Snowpiercer.

Nah, I didn't like it either.  It just didn't make any sense to me which took away from the visuals and theme for me.  It would have worked if it was set in a fantasy land with magic, but as a near-future kind of thing it just didn't work.
It doesn't really have to make sense, the premise is an excuse for the movie and it's pretty secondary. Like, yeah, perpetual motion is impossible from the get go, and if you had a perpetual motion machine, why would you want a train, it doesn't make sense. But the movie is not about the sci-fi aspect, it's about people fighting in a train and also a political allegory that got kinda confused toward the end.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on July 30, 2020, 08:39:48 AM
Korean movies I recently seen

Along with the Gods Parts 1 & 2 - Awesome movies! Fantasy, action, a little light hearted comedy and drama all in 1
The Thieves - Heist movie, lots of Korean A listers, long movie but lots of fun
The Pirates - Set in 1300s in the Joseon period, this is an action comedy that's a great popcorn flick.
Extreme Job - Police action/comedy that's full of laughs the whole movie through. Biggest box office take in Korean history apparently
Rampant - A zombie movie set in the Joseon period - a little slow but does have its moments. No zombie movie can compare with Train to Busan though!

I have plenty more in my collection to watch too 8)
Watch the Wailing if you haven't, I think I have recommended it again, it's a pretty crazy horror movie that combines many different genres of horror. It kinda hates the Japanese though for some reason.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on July 30, 2020, 08:53:22 AM
Korean movies I recently seen

Along with the Gods Parts 1 & 2 - Awesome movies! Fantasy, action, a little light hearted comedy and drama all in 1
The Thieves - Heist movie, lots of Korean A listers, long movie but lots of fun
The Pirates - Set in 1300s in the Joseon period, this is an action comedy that's a great popcorn flick.
Extreme Job - Police action/comedy that's full of laughs the whole movie through. Biggest box office take in Korean history apparently
Rampant - A zombie movie set in the Joseon period - a little slow but does have its moments. No zombie movie can compare with Train to Busan though!

I have plenty more in my collection to watch too 8)
Watch the Wailing if you haven't, I think I have recommended it again, it's a pretty crazy horror movie that combines many different genres of horror. It kinda hates the Japanese though for some reason.

Yep, it's arrived and waiting to watch! :) Just need a spare 3 hours later
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on July 30, 2020, 09:44:29 AM
Korean movies I recently seen

Along with the Gods Parts 1 & 2 - Awesome movies! Fantasy, action, a little light hearted comedy and drama all in 1
The Thieves - Heist movie, lots of Korean A listers, long movie but lots of fun
The Pirates - Set in 1300s in the Joseon period, this is an action comedy that's a great popcorn flick.
Extreme Job - Police action/comedy that's full of laughs the whole movie through. Biggest box office take in Korean history apparently
Rampant - A zombie movie set in the Joseon period - a little slow but does have its moments. No zombie movie can compare with Train to Busan though!

I have plenty more in my collection to watch too 8)
Watch the Wailing if you haven't, I think I have recommended it again, it's a pretty crazy horror movie that combines many different genres of horror. It kinda hates the Japanese though for some reason.

Yep, it's arrived and waiting to watch! :) Just need a spare 3 hours later
Nice. Also I've watched Okja, it's a confusing movie. It looks like a kids movie and it has many scenes that point to that but at times it is extremely depressing and disturbing, I'd be 100% scarred if I watched it when I was little.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JJA on July 30, 2020, 01:54:13 PM
I like Chris Stuckmann.  I'll check it out.  Just a little worried because it's done by the same guy that did Snowpiercer and apparently I'm the only person in the world who didn't like Snowpiercer.

Nah, I didn't like it either.  It just didn't make any sense to me which took away from the visuals and theme for me.  It would have worked if it was set in a fantasy land with magic, but as a near-future kind of thing it just didn't work.
It doesn't really have to make sense, the premise is an excuse for the movie and it's pretty secondary. Like, yeah, perpetual motion is impossible from the get go, and if you had a perpetual motion machine, why would you want a train, it doesn't make sense. But the movie is not about the sci-fi aspect, it's about people fighting in a train and also a political allegory that got kinda confused toward the end.

Yeah, I appreciated the theme and the visuals and everything, but if you throw too much realism out the window you head into fantasy territory which conflicts with the more realistic theme they had.  That just bugged me too much to fully enjoy it.

Like Armageddon. There come a point where the science gets so bad it impacts (hah) the ability to enjoy the movie. Things either need to make sense, or need to be left unexplained.

I would have enjoyed Snowpiercer better if they never really showed what the children were for... just needed for "the machine".  That was a reveal that hurt the movie in my opinion.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on July 31, 2020, 02:15:30 AM
Well, Snowpiercer didn't try to explain much. They just said "well at some point the world froze. Oh, also the train works on perpetual motion, somehow". But maybe it would have been better not to show why the kids were needed.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on July 31, 2020, 02:36:07 AM
The kids were needed I guess to explain that machine parts dont last forever. Once they broke down there were zero replacements. Kids were apparently small enough to get in the bowels of the train to work the machinery.

Not sure we needed a lengthy explanation on the world freezing. The story begins decades after the catastrophe. I guess the explanation is an attempt to convey the perils of mankind experimenting with our own biosphere. Sometimes our attempts to fix something only ends up breaking it further

It's a movie so obviously some suspension of disbelief is required. Lets face it, no way a train could continue indefinitely without derailing with so much snow build up and zero maintenance to the track.

One thing I like about Korean movies is that it doesn't follow a Hollywood cookie-cutter plot. You dont know who lives or dies by the end. A lot of their movies I'm like 'I did not see that coming!' or they take a turn that my limited Hollywood movie conditioned brain would never have considered

If this were Hollywood written and directed, the characters of Chris Evans and Kang-ho Song would have lived.


Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on July 31, 2020, 06:36:08 AM
The kids were needed I guess to explain that machine parts dont last forever. Once they broke down there were zero replacements. Kids were apparently small enough to get in the bowels of the train to work the machinery.

Not sure we needed a lengthy explanation on the world freezing. The story begins decades after the catastrophe. I guess the explanation is an attempt to convey the perils of mankind experimenting with our own biosphere. Sometimes our attempts to fix something only ends up breaking it further

It's a movie so obviously some suspension of disbelief is required. Lets face it, no way a train could continue indefinitely without derailing with so much snow build up and zero maintenance to the track.

One thing I like about Korean movies is that it doesn't follow a Hollywood cookie-cutter plot. You dont know who lives or dies by the end. A lot of their movies I'm like 'I did not see that coming!' or they take a turn that my limited Hollywood movie conditioned brain would never have considered

If this were Hollywood written and directed, the characters of Chris Evans and Kang-ho Song would have lived.
I think that's what JJA is saying, we don't need an explanation and he would prefer it if even more was left unexplained so that there wasn't much left that didn't make sense.

Imo what is actually annoying is when movies break the rules they have set, or if they try to overexplain stuff that inherently doesn't make sense. I don't think Snowpiercer did either so it was fine for me.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JJA on July 31, 2020, 04:56:57 PM
The kids were needed I guess to explain that machine parts dont last forever. Once they broke down there were zero replacements. Kids were apparently small enough to get in the bowels of the train to work the machinery.

Not sure we needed a lengthy explanation on the world freezing. The story begins decades after the catastrophe. I guess the explanation is an attempt to convey the perils of mankind experimenting with our own biosphere. Sometimes our attempts to fix something only ends up breaking it further

It's a movie so obviously some suspension of disbelief is required. Lets face it, no way a train could continue indefinitely without derailing with so much snow build up and zero maintenance to the track.

One thing I like about Korean movies is that it doesn't follow a Hollywood cookie-cutter plot. You dont know who lives or dies by the end. A lot of their movies I'm like 'I did not see that coming!' or they take a turn that my limited Hollywood movie conditioned brain would never have considered

If this were Hollywood written and directed, the characters of Chris Evans and Kang-ho Song would have lived.
I think that's what JJA is saying, we don't need an explanation and he would prefer it if even more was left unexplained so that there wasn't much left that didn't make sense.

Imo what is actually annoying is when movies break the rules they have set, or if they try to overexplain stuff that inherently doesn't make sense. I don't think Snowpiercer did either so it was fine for me.

I just couldn't really accept using children as machine parts.  I mean, I have a pretty good idea how locomotives work and there aren't a lot of parts you can replace with a 10 year old. :)
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Crouton on August 01, 2020, 01:47:41 AM
I'm watching bloodsport right now. My only regret is that I'm not a lot more drunk than I am.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on August 01, 2020, 03:26:28 AM
Those south korean movies you mention are only available with english subtitles but not actually in english, right?

Also, I don't know the definition of 'Hollywood movie' but there are many mainstream movies that are pretty damn awesome, e.g.
Seven
Fight club
Inception
The shining
The good, the bad and the ugly
Pulp fiction
Gladiator
The prestige
...

Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 01, 2020, 03:57:44 AM
Those south korean movies you mention are only available with english subtitles but not actually in english, right?

Also, I don't know the definition of 'Hollywood movie' but there are many mainstream movies that are pretty damn awesome, e.g.
Seven
Fight club
Inception
The shining
The good, the bad and the ugly
Pulp fiction
Gladiator
The prestige
...

Snowpiercer is in English as has essentially an all 'Western' cast except for 2 Koreans, the rest have subtitles or English dubs. However English dubs ruin the movie with cheesy voice acting. I cant stand to watch a movie even if the audio is out by a few ms! (bad lip sync) A different spoken language with bad B grade voice acting? Yikes!

There are some great Hollywood movies but they seem fewer and far between.

It seems no one knows how to write a good story anymore and Hollywood are focused on pandering to the woke brigade. The reboot of Ghost Busters, Oceans 8, the latest Charlies Angels, Terminator 3, MIB International etc and then shows like Star Trek Picard ugh.

The most recent film / franchise which I like out of America is John Wick - but even their latest one took inspiration from the Korean move 'The Villainess' (A revenge movie even more hyper violent than John Wick) :)

Even though Korea is more patriarchal than America, their movies have no problem having strong female leads / roles. The movies are simply organic without looking like they were trying to be woke



Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on August 01, 2020, 04:25:29 AM
It seems no one knows how to write a good story anymore and Hollywood are focused on pandering to the woke brigade. The reboot of Ghost Busters, Oceans 8, the latest Charlies Angels, Terminator 3, MIB International etc and then shows like Star Trek Picard ugh.
Hollywood receipe in 2020 be like  "black people + strong women + LGBQT + happy end + as much cgi as we can afford".
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on August 01, 2020, 10:07:44 AM
The kids were needed I guess to explain that machine parts dont last forever. Once they broke down there were zero replacements. Kids were apparently small enough to get in the bowels of the train to work the machinery.

Not sure we needed a lengthy explanation on the world freezing. The story begins decades after the catastrophe. I guess the explanation is an attempt to convey the perils of mankind experimenting with our own biosphere. Sometimes our attempts to fix something only ends up breaking it further

It's a movie so obviously some suspension of disbelief is required. Lets face it, no way a train could continue indefinitely without derailing with so much snow build up and zero maintenance to the track.

One thing I like about Korean movies is that it doesn't follow a Hollywood cookie-cutter plot. You dont know who lives or dies by the end. A lot of their movies I'm like 'I did not see that coming!' or they take a turn that my limited Hollywood movie conditioned brain would never have considered

If this were Hollywood written and directed, the characters of Chris Evans and Kang-ho Song would have lived.
I think that's what JJA is saying, we don't need an explanation and he would prefer it if even more was left unexplained so that there wasn't much left that didn't make sense.

Imo what is actually annoying is when movies break the rules they have set, or if they try to overexplain stuff that inherently doesn't make sense. I don't think Snowpiercer did either so it was fine for me.

I just couldn't really accept using children as machine parts.  I mean, I have a pretty good idea how locomotives work and there aren't a lot of parts you can replace with a 10 year old. :)
How many of them had a perpetual motion machine on board?  ;)
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on August 10, 2020, 02:36:17 AM
Did you watch the movie Shifter?
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 10, 2020, 03:25:07 PM
Did you watch the movie Shifter?

My friend comes around tonight and I'll give him the choice between this one, and a Japanese horror called 'Audition' lol. Apparently that's a really disturbing movie lol

I hope he picks The Wailing though. I like long movies myself (anything less than a 2 hour run time feels incomplete)
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on August 11, 2020, 05:42:45 AM
Did you watch the movie Shifter?

My friend comes around tonight and I'll give him the choice between this one, and a Japanese horror called 'Audition' lol. Apparently that's a really disturbing movie lol

I hope he picks The Wailing though. I like long movies myself (anything less than a 2 hour run time feels incomplete)
Nice, I hope you like it, it's one of my favorite horror movies of recent years. Not so much because it is "scary", it's not that scary, it's just a pretty neat movie.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on August 12, 2020, 05:33:03 PM
Did you watch the movie Shifter?

My friend comes around tonight and I'll give him the choice between this one, and a Japanese horror called 'Audition' lol. Apparently that's a really disturbing movie lol

I hope he picks The Wailing though. I like long movies myself (anything less than a 2 hour run time feels incomplete)
Nice, I hope you like it, it's one of my favorite horror movies of recent years. Not so much because it is "scary", it's not that scary, it's just a pretty neat movie.

Watched it. Damn fine movie indeed. Will need to read up about it now. Confused as hell.

I like although it was over 2 and a half hours, it wasn't bloated. Also neat that it didn't rely on stupid 'jump scares'.

Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on August 13, 2020, 03:59:01 AM
Did you watch the movie Shifter?

My friend comes around tonight and I'll give him the choice between this one, and a Japanese horror called 'Audition' lol. Apparently that's a really disturbing movie lol

I hope he picks The Wailing though. I like long movies myself (anything less than a 2 hour run time feels incomplete)
Nice, I hope you like it, it's one of my favorite horror movies of recent years. Not so much because it is "scary", it's not that scary, it's just a pretty neat movie.

Watched it. Damn fine movie indeed. Will need to read up about it now. Confused as hell.

I like although it was over 2 and a half hours, it wasn't bloated. Also neat that it didn't rely on stupid 'jump scares'.

Yeah I remember it also left me confused, and reading up on it actually lead to me learning some things about Korean mythology.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Crouton on November 11, 2020, 07:15:23 AM
Finally watched Parasite.

huh...

hmm...

Well it's really good.  I don't appreciate these South Koreans making me read though.  Add a decent dub damnit!

I am not totally sure what to make of it.  The poor people seem to be a bunch of assholes here.  If this were Hollywood then of course the rich people would be monsters.  But in this movie the worst they did was towards the end sort of focus on their own needs while ignoring the needs of others.

I'm going to have to try rewatching it sober.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Jamie on November 12, 2020, 05:27:22 AM
I felt that way about Us.

I didn't really get it, and I don't think I liked it.

But I'm gonna try re-watching it intoxicated sometime and report back.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 14, 2020, 02:11:48 AM
Movies suck because we are not teenagers any more.
Movies were once brand new and exciting.

There are no new stories, just more explosions.


Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on November 14, 2020, 02:31:36 AM
Movies suck because we are not teenagers any more.
Movies were once brand new and exciting.

There are no new stories, just more explosions.
That is an issue if you only watch superman, batman and that crap.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 14, 2020, 03:18:49 AM
Movies suck because we are not teenagers any more.
Movies were once brand new and exciting.

There are no new stories, just more explosions.

That is an issue if you only watch superman, batman and that crap.

There are seven stories . . .

    Overcoming the Monster.
    Rags to Riches.
    The Quest.
    Voyage and Return.
    Comedy.
    Tragedy.
    Rebirth.


Whatever, . . . I design and build super simple electronic circuits and almost immediately test them to destruction.  ::)

I go surf fishing a few days a week, health permitting.
I can not identify a single current movie actor or pop star.


Life is much more than paying other people to watch them do things.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on November 14, 2020, 03:21:32 AM
Movies suck because we are not teenagers any more.
Movies were once brand new and exciting.

There are no new stories, just more explosions.

That is an issue if you only watch superman, batman and that crap.

There are seven stories . . .

    Overcoming the Monster.
    Rags to Riches.
    The Quest.
    Voyage and Return.
    Comedy.
    Tragedy.
    Rebirth.


Whatever, . . . I design and build super simple electronic circuits and almost immediately test them to destruction.  ::)

I go surf fishing a few days a week, health permitting.
I can not identify a single current movie actor or pop star.


Life is much more than paying other people to watch them do things.
That's like saying 'there are only two numbers: -infinitiy to 0 and 0 to +infinity.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 14, 2020, 03:23:55 AM

That's like saying 'there are only two numbers: -infinitiy to 0 and 0 to +infinity.

Toy Story
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on November 15, 2020, 08:45:06 AM

    Overcoming the Monster.
    Rags to Riches.
    The Quest.
    Voyage and Return.
    Comedy.
    Tragedy.
    Rebirth.

It is the The Seven Basic Plots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots)

That's just one guy's theory and so what anyway?  There are only 3 basics colours, but they can be combined into and infinite variety.  Like stories.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Stash on November 15, 2020, 08:48:01 AM

    Overcoming the Monster.
    Rags to Riches.
    The Quest.
    Voyage and Return.
    Comedy.
    Tragedy.
    Rebirth.

It is the The Seven Basic Plots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots)

That's just one guy's theory and so what anyway?  There are only 3 basics colours, but they can be combined into and infinite variety.  Like stories.

'Fish out of water' is a classic trope. Maybe the umbrella over 'Rags to riches'.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: markjo on November 15, 2020, 01:17:45 PM
The Hero's Journey is another classic story.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 15, 2020, 03:17:00 PM
Also, Adam Sandler.

Define that crap.   :D
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Jamie on November 15, 2020, 03:18:59 PM
Also, Adam Sandler.

Define that crap.   :D

You already did!
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 15, 2020, 04:33:06 PM
The Hero's Journey is another classic story.

   The Quest.


next . . .
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on November 16, 2020, 02:01:33 AM
Also, Adam Sandler.

Define that crap.   :D
Tragedy  :'(
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 16, 2020, 02:09:04 AM
is "blooper reel" a category?
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Pezevenk on November 18, 2020, 11:11:09 AM

    Overcoming the Monster.
    Rags to Riches.
    The Quest.
    Voyage and Return.
    Comedy.
    Tragedy.
    Rebirth.

It is the The Seven Basic Plots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots)

That's just one guy's theory and so what anyway?  There are only 3 basics colours, but they can be combined into and infinite variety.  Like stories.
It's not even that really. Like, you could do the same with 5 stories. Or 3 stories. As long as you stretch your definitions enough. If someone believes in the 7 basic plots theory they can just move the goalposts every time you come up with something that doesn't fit the mold, it's kinda silly.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on November 24, 2020, 09:28:16 AM
Well, back to parasite.


I am not totally sure what to make of it.
I think that is the idea.  It's not even clear who the "parasite" refers to.

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  The poor people seem to be a bunch of assholes here.
Sorta, but they are very endearing as they clearly love each other so much and they would be fun to go out for a drink with.  Well, very endearing for the first two acts, the last act of course changes all that..

The poor family's behaviour isn't as you expect either.  You think they are just going to be con artists, stealing stuff and draining bank accounts.  But they in fact do their jobs and are largely competent and reasonably hard working.  Yeah, when the rich family go away they take over the house....but wow, that house - who wouldn't be tempted to pretend it's theirs for a bit?

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  If this were Hollywood then of course the rich people would be monsters.  But in this movie the worst they did was towards the end sort of focus on their own needs while ignoring the needs of others.
Yeah, you get the impression that if the families swapped then the poor ones would behave exactly as the rich - they would just float around in the luxury bubble only vaguely aware of anyone else.  It isn't terrible for the poor that the rich exist, just that they aren't rich themselves!
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on November 24, 2020, 09:38:08 AM
Talking of Korean drama.  Half watched a trailer for Kingdom on Netflix.  Looked like some handsome historical drama set around some grand royal court.  You know the ones: palace intrigue, princes, princesses, hero warriors,  betrayal, sword fights, some epic battles and all handsomely shot in some Asian locale.

Well, it is all that.  However it is also ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE!  Yep, it's 16th century Korean historical drama with a shit ton of zombies chucked in.  So far (three episodes),  it's great - fun mashup of genres.  The zombies are "fast" ones, and are really well done - looks terrifying as big packs of them run like fuck at everyone.

(https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/2864982/1200x630)
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: markjo on November 24, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Speaking of historical zombie mashups:
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 26, 2020, 01:37:24 AM
If you look at the cover for Parasite, you see the characters eyes are taken out. The rich and poor. Parasites are blind so this implies that all the characters are parasites. Their relationship to each other was beneficial to both. The poor family got money. The rich family got the help they needed. The mother could not even load a dishwasher on her own she was so helpless!

Towards the end where the son plans to buy the house so his father can live more free plays on the social rich vs poor gap. It would literally take the son centuries to be able to afford that place

The director was very clever in the use of using 'lines' in the shots (eg a window frame) to separate the rich from the poor. Credit to the attention to detail in the cinematography.

Oh well, plenty of reviews on the movie that articulate this better than I can so if you want to understand the movie better just give those a read. Given the kind of movies Hollywood churns out it's no surprise a foreign movie took home so many awards. Don't get me wrong, Hollywood makes the occasional gem of a movie, but there is so much shit wading around they are the exception, not the rule
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 26, 2020, 01:46:11 AM

    Overcoming the Monster.
    Rags to Riches.
    The Quest.
    Voyage and Return.
    Comedy.
    Tragedy.
    Rebirth.

It is the The Seven Basic Plots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots)

That's just one guy's theory and so what anyway?  There are only 3 basics colours, but they can be combined into and infinite variety.  Like stories.

It's not even that really. Like, you could do the same with 5 stories. Or 3 stories. As long as you stretch your definitions enough. If someone believes in the 7 basic plots theory they can just move the goalposts every time you come up with something that doesn't fit the mold, it's kinda silly.


Or any family reunion.   ;D
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on November 26, 2020, 02:11:47 AM
Parasites are blind
Eh?

By the way, have you tried out Kingdom yet?  I'm still enjoying it.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 26, 2020, 03:11:40 AM
Parasites are blind
Eh?

By the way, have you tried out Kingdom yet?  I'm still enjoying it.

Haven't watched it yet. I've ditched Netflix for trying to up the monthly price yet again. So now when enough good titles are released, I'll binge them in a month and cancel the subscription again for a while. Instead of paying nearly $200 a year I can get a way with a fraction of that. Just waiting for Star Trek Discovery to finish its run at the moment so I guess January

I watched the Korean movie 'Rampant' which is a zombie movie set in the Joseon period. It's ok..... Nothing like Train to Busan lol. It does star Hyun Bin who starred in Crash Landing on You. That guy is awesome.

As for the Parasites the explanation I found on the web relating to the movie poster is that 'parasites like worms, dont have eyes and can only detect light'. The rich family has white bars perhaps because they are above ground and in light while the poor family lives almost underground so has black bars.

Parasites can have a mutually beneficial relationship with their host. Frankly, The rich family was benefiting from the poor family and the poor family benefited from the rich family. All parasites!
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 26, 2020, 04:19:25 AM

Parasites can have a mutually beneficial relationship with their host.


That's symbiotic, you stupid fuck.

Parasites suck their live energy from their victim.
Their protozoa, helminths, and ectoparasites.

OMG, you are so stupid.  :)




Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on November 26, 2020, 04:41:14 AM

As for the Parasites the explanation I found on the web relating to the movie poster is that 'parasites like worms, dont have eyes and can only detect light'.
This is nonsense - don't rely on Quora for your facts  :P Mosquitos have eyes for starters.  So do vampire bats.   The classification of parasite has nothing to do with eyes.

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The rich family has white bars perhaps because they are above ground and in light while the poor family lives almost underground so has black bars.
I just looks like they are making them anonymous to me.  I wouldn't read too much into it - maybe the graphic designer just thought it looked cool.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on November 26, 2020, 04:45:52 AM

Parasites can have a mutually beneficial relationship with their host.


That's symbiotic, you stupid fuck.



wiki:
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Parasitism is a symbiotic relationship between species,
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 26, 2020, 05:08:45 AM

Parasites can have a mutually beneficial relationship with their host.


That's symbiotic, you stupid  :o

So... Mutally beneficial then under a different name then  ::)

Parasites suck their live energy from their victim.
Their protozoa, helminths, and ectoparasites.

OMG, you are so stupid.  :)

It's like arguing the intestinal flora in your gut are harmful because eww germs

Not all parasites are 100% bad for the host

You want to lose weight? Eat a tapeworm  >:D Probably far better than having a life threatening surgery to staple your stomach and cut out a portion of your small intestines. Just have some weekly vitamin B12 / vitamin injection to make sure you still get what you need. When your done, pop a pill and kill that SOB in your gut :P

Or how about a G'ould like on StarGate? Gives you awesome healing powers and a very long life?  8)

OK in seriousness, some scientists have found it may be beneficial to our immune system to always give it 'something' to do
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140723111129.htm

When I looked after certain strains of mice that had a 70% chance of getting diabetes because of their shitty genetics, the one thing that could prevent them from getting the diabetes was to not live in a sterile environment. If the colony got infected with worms, it would devastate the research as they would not get diabetes

Leech therapy is still a thing
https://www.schn.health.nsw.gov.au/fact-sheets/leech-therapy


Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 26, 2020, 05:34:19 AM

Parasites can have a mutually beneficial relationship with their host.


That's symbiotic, you stupid  :o

So... Mutally beneficial then under a different name then  ::)

Parasites suck their live energy from their victim.
Their protozoa, helminths, and ectoparasites.

OMG, you are so stupid.  :)

It's like arguing the intestinal flora in your gut are harmful because eww germs

Not all parasites are 100% bad for the host

You want to lose weight? Eat a tapeworm  >:D Probably far better than having a life threatening surgery to staple your stomach and cut out a portion of your small intestines. Just have some weekly vitamin B12 / vitamin injection to make sure you still get what you need. When your done, pop a pill and kill that SOB in your gut :P

Or how about a G'ould like on StarGate? Gives you awesome healing powers and a very long life?  8)

OK in seriousness, some scientists have found it may be beneficial to our immune system to always give it 'something' to do
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140723111129.htm

When I looked after certain strains of mice that had a 70% chance of getting diabetes because of their shitty genetics, the one thing that could prevent them from getting the diabetes was to not live in a sterile environment. If the colony got infected with worms, it would devastate the research as they would not get diabetes

Leech therapy is still a thing
https://www.schn.health.nsw.gov.au/fact-sheets/leech-therapy






yep









Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Jamie on December 06, 2020, 05:58:14 AM
Welp, movie theaters are probably dead.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Crouton on December 06, 2020, 09:55:32 AM
I'm a little bothered by that.

I'm more concerned about what it means for the movie industry when it's impossible to make a billion dollars on a movie.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 10, 2020, 02:55:59 AM
So just watched 'The Tower'. A Korean take I guess on 'The Towering Inferno'. Except a lot less boring and a lot more death while still keeping it a drama with a romance sub plot

This scene explains why you dont use an elevator during a fire.


Don't watch if you dont like people dying  :o >:D
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Jamie on December 11, 2020, 03:56:04 PM
I dunno 'bout y'all, I'm really excited for the new I Know What You Did Last Summer flick, I Will Forever And Always Remember All Of The Things That You Do Every Summer; No Exceptions, No Ifs, Ands, Or Buts.
Title: Re: Why are Hollywood movies so crap?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 12, 2020, 03:27:14 AM
So just watched 'The Tower'. A Korean take I guess on 'The Towering Inferno'. Except a lot less boring and a lot more death while still keeping it a drama with a romance sub plot

This scene explains why you dont use an elevator during a fire.


Don't watch if you dont like people dying  :o >:D

Hahahahaha, where's Otis when you need him?