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Title: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on November 17, 2019, 08:18:23 PM
It's SUNRIVES >> "Sun Arrives", not "Sunrise".

The sun's position is higher than the clouds whose underneath look dark. 8)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQqeEJJ_bYxL3JGKsQe9u7GdOgIFPICQ8J4YuQHC0yd413yTCkh)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Stash on November 17, 2019, 09:02:36 PM
It's SUNRIVES >> "Sun Arrives", not "Sunrise".

The sun's position is higher than the clouds whose underneath look dark. 8)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQqeEJJ_bYxL3JGKsQe9u7GdOgIFPICQ8J4YuQHC0yd413yTCkh)

Looks like those folks are standing above the clouds. Are people generally higher than the clouds at sunrive?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Nucleosynthesis on November 18, 2019, 01:15:05 AM
If you ever witness sunrise from near the top of a mountain for example it is quite easy to be above the cloud level.   Astronomers located at the La Palma or Mauna Kea observatories for example will bear witness to sunrises and sunsets above the clouds regularly for example. Depends on the height of the clouds obviously as your photo so eloquently shows.

One for my bucket list definitely!

http://www.astro-travels.com/pictures/La-Palma-SARM-2014/Astro-nights/SARM2014-La-Palma-ORM-sunset.jpg

Lovely video here of the Sun setting over Hawaii.  Note the shadow of nearby Mauna Loa.



Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on November 18, 2019, 03:05:17 AM
It's SUNRIVES >> "Sun Arrives", not "Sunrise".

The sun's position is higher than the clouds whose underneath look dark. 8)

As you already probably know, they are stood on top of a volcano at over 3000m.

https://www.viator.com/en-MY/tours/Maui/Spectacular-Haleakala-Maui-Sunrise-Tour/d671-2360MAUI3 (https://www.viator.com/en-MY/tours/Maui/Spectacular-Haleakala-Maui-Sunrise-Tour/d671-2360MAUI3)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: rabinoz on November 18, 2019, 03:20:11 AM
It's SUNRIVES >> "Sun Arrives", not "Sunrise".

The sun's position is higher than the clouds whose underneath look dark. 8)


And in this one the sun's position is lower than the clouds so their underneath looks a beautiful golden colour :).
(https://cache-graphicslib.viator.com/graphicslib/page-images/742x525/777987_Haleakala_Maui_Sunrise_Tour_With_Breakfast_014.JPG)
However does that 5000 km high sun get to be well below Haleakala’s 3,048-meter summit? Funny that!
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on November 18, 2019, 04:15:35 PM
You guys can see that the bright side initially occures on the upper part of the clouds.
The clouds have layers. If the morning is getting later, there are dark parts of the cloud's underneaths that become brighter and brighter due to the sunray reflection whose intencity is getting stronger and stronger.

But the main point is the occurrence at the beginning of the sunrives, when all clouds have bright side at the upper part, and dark side at their underneaths.

8)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on November 18, 2019, 04:17:32 PM
"Funny that!"

>> Try again 8)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: wpeszko on November 18, 2019, 11:20:31 PM
It's SUNRIVES >> "Sun Arrives", not "Sunrise".
The picture is obviously fake, CGI.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Nucleosynthesis on November 19, 2019, 01:12:49 AM
Do you mean you think all photos of people watching a sunrise/sunset above cloud level is fake or just this one?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on November 19, 2019, 02:00:53 AM
You guys can see that the bright side initially occures on the upper part of the clouds
No, we can't.
Instead pretty much all videos of sunrise where you would be able to tell has the bottom of the clouds illuminated first.

But the main point is the occurrence at the beginning of the sunrives, when all clouds have bright side at the upper part, and dark side at their underneaths.
So you are saying after sunrise we have sunrives?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on November 21, 2019, 10:21:59 AM
I'm saying RIP Globe 8)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on November 21, 2019, 10:24:54 AM
One picture equals a thousand words

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMVJIFfTT_w44JEmb0wmymnRthHmqJN0qvQ3uvNUylDP3IlehgMlWNP6xp&s=10)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on November 21, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
One picture equals a thousand words
Yes, it does. But a picture after sunrise doesn't show what happens at sunrise.
(https://images.unsplash.com/photo-1512387331157-3e2a021998db?ixlib=rb-1.2.1&ixid=eyJhcHBfaWQiOjEyMDd9&auto=format&fit=crop&w=1353&q=80)
(https://i.redd.it/o2ypfstty4a21.jpg)

These clouds are clearly illuminated from below.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Themightykabool on November 22, 2019, 11:58:06 AM
One picture equals a thousand words

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMVJIFfTT_w44JEmb0wmymnRthHmqJN0qvQ3uvNUylDP3IlehgMlWNP6xp&s=10)

Danang is lost in translation.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on November 22, 2019, 03:32:51 PM
One picture equals a thousand words
Yes, it does. But a picture after sunrise doesn't show what happens at sunrise.
(https://images.unsplash.com/photo-1512387331157-3e2a021998db?ixlib=rb-1.2.1&ixid=eyJhcHBfaWQiOjEyMDd9&auto=format&fit=crop&w=1353&q=80)
(https://i.redd.it/o2ypfstty4a21.jpg)

These clouds are clearly illuminated from below.

What matters most is the first stage, when the underneath of clouds look dark.
The following occurrence will be either explained differently or just dismished due to photoshop crime  :o

8)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on November 22, 2019, 03:34:27 PM
One picture equals a thousand words

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMVJIFfTT_w44JEmb0wmymnRthHmqJN0qvQ3uvNUylDP3IlehgMlWNP6xp&s=10)

Danang is lost in translation.

But it's not worse than Lost in Love 8)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on November 22, 2019, 05:56:49 PM
What matters most is the first stage, when the underneath of clouds look dark.
No, what matters most is the first stage of sunrise and the last of sunset, where the light from the sun is shining upwards.
That is something you can never explain.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on November 25, 2019, 05:57:17 PM
This pic means "the sun lies some distance on the earth's surface next to the mountain"

NO! IT'S PHOTOSHOPED ^_^

(https://i.redd.it/o2ypfstty4a21.jpg)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Stash on November 25, 2019, 08:09:47 PM
This pic means "the sun lies some distance on the earth's surface next to the mountain"

NO! IT'S PHOTOSHOPED ^_^

(https://i.redd.it/o2ypfstty4a21.jpg)

How so?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on November 26, 2019, 12:33:22 AM
NO! IT'S PHOTOSHOPED
Then go take one yourself.
Better yet, go take a video.

Rejecting reality by pretending the images are photoshopped doesn't help your case.
There are plenty of such photos, and it is quite easy to verify by going out and taking such a photo yourself.
Better yet, go to a tall mountain and observe a sunrise or sunset without clouds and see which way the sun comes from and casts a shadow.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on November 26, 2019, 10:17:44 PM
Photoshop is the best thing that has ever happened to the Flat Earth Society.

I actually wonder if it was not for Photoshop and CGI if the Flat Earth Society would have any traction.

Imagine if we kept up the progress with technology, but somehow still never managed to invent any methods to manipulate images. The flat earth societies number 1 excuse would be gone.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on November 30, 2019, 08:26:24 PM
This pic means "the sun lies some distance on the earth's surface next to the mountain"

NO! IT'S PHOTOSHOPED ^_^

(https://i.redd.it/o2ypfstty4a21.jpg)

How so?

The shadow doesn't make sense. It's close to the mountain.

The distance between 'the imaginary sun' and the mountain is supposed to be near. The actual sun stays up the sky, not on the land.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on November 30, 2019, 08:28:17 PM
Time is phew.
Phew wins again.
Case closed.

8)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Stash on November 30, 2019, 11:34:50 PM
This pic means "the sun lies some distance on the earth's surface next to the mountain"

NO! IT'S PHOTOSHOPED ^_^

(https://i.redd.it/o2ypfstty4a21.jpg)

How so?

The shadow doesn't make sense. It's close to the mountain.

The distance between 'the imaginary sun' and the mountain is supposed to be near. The actual sun stays up the sky, not on the land.

Thats the point. On a globe earth, the sun is setting behind the mountain meaning it's going below the horizon. As it nears the horizon its rays will cast a shadow of the mountain upward, hence the image. On a globe, the shadow makes perfect sense. On a flat earth, it does not.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on December 01, 2019, 01:31:38 AM
The shadow doesn't make sense.
No it makes perfect sense.
It showing you are wrong doesn't mean it doesn't make sense, that just means you are wrong.

There is no sane reason at all to think it is photoshopped and as I said, you can verify it by observing such phenomenon yourself.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 01, 2019, 06:05:39 PM
Such rare phenomenon has an explanation. (If not photoshoped)

But daily phenomenon is definite: before the sun shows up, the cloud's underneath looks dark.
The sun is already higher than the cloud since the very beginning. 👌
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Stash on December 01, 2019, 06:31:53 PM
Such rare phenomenon has an explanation. (If not photoshoped)

But daily phenomenon is definite: before the sun shows up, the cloud's underneath looks dark.
The sun is already higher than the cloud since the very beginning. 👌

Doesn't seem so rare:

(https://i.imgur.com/Jm34s2P.jpg)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on December 01, 2019, 09:54:00 PM
Such rare phenomenon has an explanation.
We aren't discussing rare phenomenon here. We are discussing an almost daily occurance for some people, and this does have a very simple explantion, Earth is round.

But daily phenomenon is definite: before the sun shows up, the cloud's underneath looks dark.
And then just before the sun shows up, the bottom of the clouds are illuminated from below, then the sun rises.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 03, 2019, 04:38:52 PM
"We aren't discussing rare phenomenon here. We are discussing an almost daily occurance for SOME PEOPLE"

THEREFORE IT'S RARE, IT'S EXCEPTION 👌
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 03, 2019, 04:44:43 PM
As I said before, within the cloud there is a glass like body.

This glaas is the cause of such shadow. The sun itself is consistently Higher than the clouds.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Stash on December 03, 2019, 05:53:04 PM
As I said before, within the cloud there is a glass like body.

This glaas is the cause of such shadow. The sun itself is consistently Higher than the clouds.

What happens to the glass-like body when planes fly through clouds?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Macarios on December 03, 2019, 07:46:41 PM
As I said before, within the cloud there is a glass like body.

We are talking about reality, not about your imagination.

If there was "glass-like body" in cloud, then airplanes would crash every time trying to fly through it.
In reality they never do.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on December 03, 2019, 11:13:30 PM
"We aren't discussing rare phenomenon here. We are discussing an almost daily occurance for SOME PEOPLE"

THEREFORE IT'S RARE, IT'S EXCEPTION 👌
No, therefore it is quite common. It happens every day.

If Earth was flat, this would never happen.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 04, 2019, 05:53:19 AM
As I said before, within the cloud there is a glass like body.

OK, I'll bite.  How come planes  don't hit these?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: markjo on December 04, 2019, 09:34:40 AM
As I said before, within the cloud there is a glass like body.

We are talking about reality, not about your imagination.

If there was "glass-like body" in cloud, then airplanes would crash every time trying to fly through it.
In reality they never do.
Actually, there are countless "glass-like bodies" in clouds.  They're tiny water droplets.  When a plane flies through a cloud, these tiny, glass-like bits of water get the plane wet.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 05, 2019, 01:13:55 AM


How come the water falls only from some part of the cloud? You can't explain by textbook. 8)

As to the airplane, since training time, the pilots are STRICTLY prohibited to penetrate the cloud. Maybe sometimes they fly at the sides of the cloud, but NEVER penetrate the cloud.


Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Yes on December 05, 2019, 09:55:49 AM
I'm having trouble picturing this.  Could you draw a diagram of the light rays such that the sun is higher than the clouds, but a shadow is cast from a mountain onto the clouds?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on December 06, 2019, 01:33:09 AM
As to the airplane, since training time, the pilots are STRICTLY prohibited to penetrate the cloud. Maybe sometimes they fly at the sides of the cloud, but NEVER penetrate the cloud.
Have you never flown before?

Or have you only been on a plane on perfectly clear days?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Crutchwater on December 06, 2019, 05:25:33 PM
Aircraft fly in, and through clouds ALL THE TIME!!!
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 07, 2019, 05:56:48 AM

As to the airplane, since training time, the pilots are STRICTLY prohibited to penetrate the cloud. Maybe sometimes they fly at the sides of the cloud, but NEVER penetrate the cloud.
I take it you have never been on an aircraft?   As this has happened on every flight I have been on.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 07, 2019, 09:45:44 AM
"Only drunk pilots let the plane go through dark clouds" -- Alexander the Great :o
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 07, 2019, 09:53:12 AM
By the way my flight with longest distance so far is Saudi Arabia.

Now I'm exercising my muscles with jogging, scot jump etc. Hopefully next time I can reach Paris. 👌
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 07, 2019, 09:56:25 AM
I'm having trouble picturing this.  Could you draw a diagram of the light rays such that the sun is higher than the clouds, but a shadow is cast from a mountain onto the clouds?

It's as easy as you imagine a sunray reflection through a mirror. The sunray shape is like the letter "V".
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Yes on December 07, 2019, 11:34:19 AM
It's as easy as you imagine a sunray reflection through a mirror. The sunray shape is like the letter "V".
You're saying that light reflects off the ground like a mirror?  That hasn't been my experience, but maybe the ground is shinier where you come from.
But why does the light bounce off the ground to illuminate the underside of clouds only during sunrise and sunset?  And why doesn't the light from the sun supposedly always overhead drown out the sun's reflection off the ground?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on December 07, 2019, 01:03:27 PM
It's as easy as you imagine a sunray reflection through a mirror. The sunray shape is like the letter "V".
If that was the case then you would still have the clouds illuminated from above and the shadow would be much weaker. But more importantly, this would happen at all times of day, not just before sunrise and just after sunset.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 07, 2019, 07:29:04 PM
It's as easy as you imagine a sunray reflection through a mirror. The sunray shape is like the letter "V".
You're saying that light reflects off the ground like a mirror?  That hasn't been my experience, but maybe the ground is shinier where you come from.
But why does the light bounce off the ground to illuminate the underside of clouds only during sunrise and sunset?  And why doesn't the light from the sun supposedly always overhead drown out the sun's reflection off the ground?

>> The ground of the flying glass within the cloud. It reflects the sunray with significant amount.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 07, 2019, 07:31:03 PM
It's as easy as you imagine a sunray reflection through a mirror. The sunray shape is like the letter "V".
If that was the case then you would still have the clouds illuminated from above and the shadow would be much weaker. But more importantly, this would happen at all times of day, not just before sunrise and just after sunset.

If the glass stays on the dark substance, it will reflect the sunray stronger.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Yes on December 07, 2019, 08:14:36 PM
The ground of the flying glass within the cloud....  the ground ... flying glass ...  ....  LOL WAT

sorry, I really need you to sketch this out
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on December 07, 2019, 08:21:52 PM
It's as easy as you imagine a sunray reflection through a mirror. The sunray shape is like the letter "V".
If that was the case then you would still have the clouds illuminated from above and the shadow would be much weaker. But more importantly, this would happen at all times of day, not just before sunrise and just after sunset.

If the glass stays on the dark substance, it will reflect the sunray stronger.
Care to even attempt to address what I said?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 10, 2019, 08:40:25 AM

sorry, I really need you to sketch this out
Do you though?  Do you?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Yes on December 10, 2019, 09:31:45 AM
sorry, I really need you to sketch this out
Dyo you though?  Do you?
I asked the Make-a-Wish foundation for the sketch, but they said I aged out.  They also seemed miffed when I explained to them that I wasn't dying of anything in particular, just dying in general.  As we all are.  Breathe in, breathe out.  That's one less breath before the end.  At my current rate I only have a handful of decades left.  My life's only desire is to learn.  Are you so cold-hearted that you won't spare a dying man this simple request? 
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 11, 2019, 12:53:49 AM
I apologize of delayed sketch. (Everyone has their own problem)

(https://gwebangethome.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/20191211_154324.jpg?w=1100)

This is a rare occurrence for a cloud, when the upperneath is disclosed and its glasslike body can reflect the sunray stronger.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Ski on December 11, 2019, 01:07:50 AM
It is simply earthshine as the sunlight approaches from an oblique angle. What is so confounding about this?

Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on December 11, 2019, 01:21:48 AM
I apologize of delayed sketch. (Everyone has their own problem)

(https://gwebangethome.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/20191211_154324.jpg?w=1100)
The clouds are above the mountain, and being illuminated from below, with a shadow cast upwards from the mountain.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: rabinoz on December 11, 2019, 01:54:08 AM
It is simply earthshine as the sunlight approaches from an oblique angle. What is so confounding about this?
And is this upward slanting shadow caused due to "simply earthshine as the sunlight approaches from an oblique angle"?
(https://i.imgur.com/t65X31s.jpg)
So, enough of the excuses and deflection.
Explain how that upward slanting shadow could be be produced on your flat earth with the sun circling some 3000 miles above.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 11, 2019, 02:51:38 AM
This is fake. (https://i.imgur.com/t65X31s.jpg)

The shadow is wrong. It shoud be some distance from the mountain.

By the way is there video version? Please give us a link.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 11, 2019, 02:56:48 AM
Globe can't answer why the initial view shows the underneath of clouds are DARK. 👌
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on December 11, 2019, 03:15:40 AM
The shadow is wrong. It shoud be some distance from the mountain.
Why?
It depends entirely upon the height of the clouds relative to the mountain.
If the clouds are quite close in height to the mountain then there will not be a significant gap.

Globe can't answer why the initial view shows the underneath of clouds are DARK. 👌
Do you mean in your photo in the OP?
If so that isn't an "initial view". That is significantly after sunrise or before sunset.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: mak3m on December 11, 2019, 04:29:15 AM
Globe can't answer why the initial view shows the underneath of clouds are DARK. 👌

Bottom of the clouds is not a flat surface, like waves on the sea light and shadow are dictated by the amplitude of that uneven surface.

Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: rabinoz on December 11, 2019, 05:00:11 AM
This is fake. (https://i.imgur.com/t65X31s.jpg)

The shadow is wrong. It shoud be some distance from the mountain.
Tough, it's a real photo so how can it be wrong! Here are some more:
(https://lh5.ggpht.com/-VT0xvYor1Yw/UlLTbRd5bRI/AAAAAAAAtIQ/f6gUC-pZic8/mount-rainier-shadow-2%25255B2%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800)

(https://lh5.ggpht.com/-XAMB3SEHu6Y/UlLTivEYkAI/AAAAAAAAtIY/s5Ma06AzGmg/mount-rainier-shadow-3.jpg?imgmax=800)

(https://lh6.ggpht.com/-N5XOf3C9oxk/UlLTmGt7W5I/AAAAAAAAtIg/K6J-JT3OqO0/mount-rainier-shadow-9%25255B2%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800)

(https://lh5.ggpht.com/-abtlq3TLq80/UlLTqMRur3I/AAAAAAAAtIo/6k3YHyx2AME/mount-rainier-shadow-4%25255B2%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800)

(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-8Qm47NU9oTE/UlLTyxhx93I/AAAAAAAAtIw/_sMrNSqmeUk/mount-rainier-shadow-5%25255B2%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800)

(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-KacbbYh17KI/UlLT4GxgndI/AAAAAAAAtI4/HGDD4TwlUcY/mount-rainier-shadow-6%25255B2%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800)

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Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Yes on December 11, 2019, 05:17:41 AM
Hey man, sincerely, thank you for the sketch.

Question: what about the light rays traveling directly from overhead sun to the clouds on the right?  Wouldn't that light wash out the shadow?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: rabinoz on December 11, 2019, 01:32:48 PM
Globe can't answer why the initial view shows the underneath of clouds are DARK. 👌
Might that be because they are not initially dark unless the sky is overcast right to the horizon?
In this one the sun's position is lower than the clouds so their underneath looks a beautiful golden colour :).
(https://cache-graphicslib.viator.com/graphicslib/page-images/742x525/777987_Haleakala_Maui_Sunrise_Tour_With_Breakfast_014.JPG)
However does that 5000 km high sun get to be well below Haleakala’s 3,048-meter summit? Funny that!
And this taken before sunrise:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ploaatv5gkcuw6/Before%20Sunrise%20July%2019%2C%202917%2006.30.54%20EAST.JPG?dl=1)

And another before sunrise:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/89dumsve37lyy4b/P.61%2020170710%2006.35%20Clouds%20Before%20Sunrise%20.JPG?dl=1)

The clouds are all lit from underneath.

But look at a sunrise from above the clouds:

Gorgeous time lapse shows sunrise over clouds roiling like waves in China.


The tops of the clouds are dark until the sun rises high enough to illuminate them.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2019, 08:43:17 PM
It is simply earthshine as the sunlight approaches from an oblique angle. What is so confounding about this?

Odd that it's a sunrise/sunset phenomenon when in RE theory the sun is near the horizon and shining from 'underneath' the clouds. If it were an 'earthshine' phenomenon we should see it throughout the day except for around high noon. We don't.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 12, 2019, 07:02:44 AM
Hey man, sincerely, thank you for the sketch.

Question: what about the light rays traveling directly from overhead sun to the clouds on the right?  Wouldn't that light wash out the shadow?

Overhead sun cannot change the underneath of the cloud which looks darkish and block the sunray coming from above. Coz it's a solid body.

The illuminated part is definitely at upperneath of the cloud.

People think the darkish clouds convey water for raining.
Maybe yes maybe no. It is kinda aircraft with navigation system. Everything depends on the operators' will, whether deciding the water to fall down or just letting it stay on the storage.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 12, 2019, 07:05:52 AM
Video request responded with tons of pics. Good job, Rabinoz.. 👍 ;D
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Yes on December 12, 2019, 07:55:53 AM
Clouds may be thick enough to block out light, but I can assure you they are not solid objects.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Ski on December 12, 2019, 11:20:27 AM
It is simply earthshine as the sunlight approaches from an oblique angle. What is so confounding about this?

Odd that it's a sunrise/sunset phenomenon when in RE theory the sun is near the horizon and shining from 'underneath' the clouds. If it were an 'earthshine' phenomenon we should see it throughout the day except for around high noon. We don't.

You do see it throughout the day. The bottom of small puffy clouds do not appear dark, do they?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Yes on December 12, 2019, 11:43:56 AM
Consider the possibility that clouds, like fog or other water vapor, can be translucent.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: JackBlack on December 12, 2019, 11:46:39 AM
Overhead sun cannot change the underneath of the cloud which looks darkish and block the sunray coming from above.
But that is what you needed. You need the sun above the cloud to illuminate it from below, otherwise your argument fails.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Macarios on December 13, 2019, 03:28:30 AM
When a cloud touches the ground it is called fog. Where is your glass-like body in it? :)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 16, 2019, 06:33:10 PM
This repost is the answer for what is cloud like.



>> some kind of aircraft within the cloud.

Not to mention how noisy a tornado is.

Its sound is like a train, even jet.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Stash on December 16, 2019, 07:00:36 PM
This repost is the answer for what is cloud like.



>> some kind of aircraft within the cloud.

Not to mention how noisy a tornado is.

Its sound is like a train, even jet.

Where's the aircraft? I didn't see one.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 16, 2019, 07:10:54 PM
"Where's the aircraft? I didn't see one."

>> at least one cannot assume it is all fog. The way water fall down from cloud with such a little distance to the earth, this cloud cannot be all fog. A lot of water cannot be stored except by solid materials.

If you cannot see the aircraft within the cloud, I believe it is a glasslike material.

Only hypithesis, but I so far never find any make sense explanation except solid material stuff.
Heavy noisy cannot come from fog. It's solid material flying machine.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Stash on December 16, 2019, 08:14:03 PM
"Where's the aircraft? I didn't see one."

>> at least one cannot assume it is all fog. The way water fall down from cloud with such a little distance to the earth, this cloud cannot be all fog. A lot of water cannot be stored except by solid materials.

Who said it was fog? The video shoes a microburst of rain from rain clouds. Rain happens.

If you cannot see the aircraft within the cloud, I believe it is a glasslike material.

What evidence is ther for an aircraft of any sort? Glass or otherwise? Rain happens and it is a very well known natural phenomenon.

Only hypithesis, but I so far never find any make sense explanation except solid material stuff.
Heavy noisy cannot come from fog. It's solid material flying machine.

What fog? And you've never heard high winds howl? There's literally zero evidence for any sort of "flying machine" causing rain, tornadoes, high winds, whathaveyou. Again, these are extremely well understood, common natural phenomena.

What need do you have to manufacture something about flying machines creating weather? What purpose does that serve for you?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 17, 2019, 03:51:35 PM
"What need do you have to manufacture something about flying machines creating weather? What purpose does that serve for you?"

>> Wrong assumption, wrong question.
Focus to the point and no rhetorics, okay? 👌
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Stash on December 17, 2019, 07:49:06 PM
"What need do you have to manufacture something about flying machines creating weather? What purpose does that serve for you?"

>> Wrong assumption, wrong question.
Focus to the point and no rhetorics, okay? 👌

I would focus to the point if I knew what the point was. You think there are flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather. Call me crazy, but it seems fairly grounded to ask why you think that there are flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather when there is no evidence in the history of human recording that has witnessed flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 19, 2019, 04:05:16 PM
Human recordings by a few people, and most people just read those 'recordings'. This is not a healthy learning.

The water has been liquid since the beginning. This debunks school's theories about rain.

I posted a video about drone hitting something in the cloud and then that drone fell down.

In China there was viral video that showed tall buildings on the cloud.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Yes on December 19, 2019, 04:58:28 PM
The water has been liquid since the beginning. This debunks school's theories about rain.
(https://i.imgur.com/14COhR2.jpg)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on December 20, 2019, 03:18:19 AM
Human recordings by a few people, and most people just read those 'recordings'. This is not a healthy learning.

The water has been liquid since the beginning. This debunks school's theories about rain.

I posted a video about drone hitting something in the cloud and then that drone fell down.

In China there was viral video that showed tall buildings on the cloud.

What do you think?

Yeah i remember that one, it was one of those small AA battery kids toys that flew up to about 20 feet, ran out of signal and crashed, missed the clouds by about 2,000 feet and made me realise you were a troll.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 20, 2019, 06:17:12 AM

 Call me crazy, but it seems fairly grounded to ask why you think that there are flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather when there is no evidence in the history of human recording that has witnessed flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather.

You can't see it because clouds.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: mak3m on December 20, 2019, 06:27:18 AM

I would focus to the point if I knew what the point was. You think there are flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather. Call me crazy, but it seems fairly grounded to ask why you think that there are flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather when there is no evidence in the history of human recording that has witnessed flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lJX5IMu63qQ/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 20, 2019, 08:37:30 AM
Yeah i remember that one, it was one of those small AA battery kids toys that flew up to about 20 feet, ran out of signal and crashed, missed the clouds by about 2,000 feet and made me realise you were a troll.

I'm a Scientific Troll. It's definitely different from just a Troll. 👌
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 20, 2019, 01:41:43 PM

I would focus to the point if I knew what the point was. You think there are flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather. Call me crazy, but it seems fairly grounded to ask why you think that there are flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather when there is no evidence in the history of human recording that has witnessed flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lJX5IMu63qQ/hqdefault.jpg)

One of logical possibilities. The glasslike solid objects are not all in the same category. Not only flying lands, but also smaller air vehicles.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 20, 2019, 01:52:55 PM


Clouds travel with different trajectories. Within them are solid flying bodies with navigations
They're not driven by the wind.

Another reality:
There are clouds going vertically while traveling horizontally. What force manifests it? Most possibly it's a machine that blows the clouds upwards.
The cloud is wasted gas of a moving vehicle. It's a true green energy.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: MouseWalker on December 20, 2019, 09:59:01 PM

I would focus to the point if I knew what the point was. You think there are flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather. Call me crazy, but it seems fairly grounded to ask why you think that there are flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather when there is no evidence in the history of human recording that has witnessed flying vessels inside of clouds made of glass that dispense rain and such weather.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lJX5IMu63qQ/hqdefault.jpg)
Definitely Photoshop, or equivalent.
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Crutchwater on December 21, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
One of you has never experienced an air travel departure during a rain storm, and it shows!
Title: Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
Post by: Danang on December 22, 2019, 09:53:34 PM
#GoToThePointOkay 8)