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Title: Lunar eclipses
Post by: alex314 on September 16, 2019, 04:17:05 AM
What is the flat earth explanation for a lunar eclipse?

A shadow moon which shadows only the moon but not stars  (or anything else) ;D?
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: kopfverderber on September 16, 2019, 05:55:14 AM
There are some explanations in the Tfes wiki about the so called Shadow Object:

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Lunar_Eclipse

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A Lunar Eclipse occurs about twice a year when a satellite of the sun passes between the sun and moon.

This satellite is called the Shadow Object or Antimoon. Its orbital plane is tilted at an angle to the sun's orbital plane, making eclipses possible only when the three bodies (Sun, Object, and Moon) are aligned.

Of course this shadow object has never been seen or detected outside of lunar eclipses, it just happens to be there when needed.

This explanation seems to be at odds with another common FE belief, that the moon has its own light. 
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: rabinoz on September 16, 2019, 06:06:54 AM
There are some explanations in the Tfes wiki about the so called Shadow Object:

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Lunar_Eclipse

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A Lunar Eclipse occurs about twice a year when a satellite of the sun passes between the sun and moon.

This satellite is called the Shadow Object or Antimoon. Its orbital plane is tilted at an angle to the sun's orbital plane, making eclipses possible only when the three bodies (Sun, Object, and Moon) are aligned.

Of course this shadow object has never been seen or detected outside of lunar eclipses, it just happens to be there when needed.

This explanation seems to be at odds with another common FE belief, that the moon has its own light.
From that description in the Wiki, I picture the geometry of the Sun,  shadow object and Moon like this:

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/tu3b4kn77zd3407/Flat%20Earth%20Sun%20Lunar%20Eclipse%20-%20Shadow%20Object%20with%20Umbra.png?dl=1)

That would make any shadow on the Moon seem impossible but, so far, no one has suggested any changes apart from the sizes of the Sun and Moon being exaggerated to make the visible.
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: alex314 on September 16, 2019, 09:39:54 PM
There are some explanations in the Tfes wiki about the so called Shadow Object:

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Lunar_Eclipse

Quote
A Lunar Eclipse occurs about twice a year when a satellite of the sun passes between the sun and moon.

This satellite is called the Shadow Object or Antimoon. Its orbital plane is tilted at an angle to the sun's orbital plane, making eclipses possible only when the three bodies (Sun, Object, and Moon) are aligned.

Of course this shadow object has never been seen or detected outside of lunar eclipses, it just happens to be there when needed.

This explanation seems to be at odds with another common FE belief, that the moon has its own light.
From that description in the Wiki, I picture the geometry of the Sun,  shadow object and Moon like this:

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/tu3b4kn77zd3407/Flat%20Earth%20Sun%20Lunar%20Eclipse%20-%20Shadow%20Object%20with%20Umbra.png?dl=1)

That would make any shadow on the Moon seem impossible but, so far, no one has suggested any changes apart from the sizes of the Sun and Moon being exaggerated to make the visible.

So, as I understand, there is no logical explanation for a flat earth lunar eclipse. Am I correct?
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: rabinoz on September 16, 2019, 10:27:31 PM
That would make any shadow on the Moon seem impossible but, so far, no one has suggested any changes apart from the sizes of the Sun and Moon being exaggerated to make the visible.

So, as I understand, there is no logical explanation for a flat earth lunar eclipse. Am I correct?
Maybe we should give them more time to invent a "logical explanation for a flat earth lunar eclipse".

All I can add is a bit of earlier post I made:
The two basic FE mechanisms for the lunar eclipse seem to be
  • A shadow object as in "the Wiki" here The Lunar Eclipse (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lunar+Eclipse).

  • A self luminous moon, as far as I know originally in Zetetic Astronomy, by Samuel Birley Rowbotham. You need to read a lot of the preceding text, but here is the "crux" of it:
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    As the moon is self-luminous, her surface could not be darkened or "eclipsed" by a shadow of the earth--supposing such a shadow could be thrown upon it. In such a case, the luminosity instead of being diminished, would increase, and would be greater in proportion to the greater density or darkness of the shadow. As the light in a bull's-eye lantern looks brightest in the darkest places, so would the self-shining surface of the moon be most intense in the umbra or deepest part of the earth's shadow.
    . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .
    We have seen that, during a lunar eclipse, the moon's self-luminous surface is covered by a semi-transparent something; that this "something" is a definite mass, because it has a distinct and circular outline, as seen during its first and last contact with the moon. As a solar eclipse occurs from the moon passing before the sun, so, from the evidence above collected, it is evident that a lunar eclipse arises from a similar cause--a body semi-transparent and well-defined passing before the moon; or between the moon's surface and the observer on the surface of the earth.

    That many such bodies exist in the firmament is almost a matter of certainty; and that one such as that which eclipses the moon exists at no great distance above the earth's surface, is a matter admitted by many of the leading astronomers of the day.

    From Zetetic Astronomy, by Samuel Birley Rowbotham), CHAPTER XI. CAUSE OF SOLAR AND LUNAR ECLIPSES. p. 148,149. (http://sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za29.htm)

    This "self-luminous moon" gets much (often tongue-in-cheek with  ;D moonshramp  ;D) coverage in lunar eclipse threads.

As you might imagine, I do not agree in the slightest with either of these explanations.

Best of luck, the Lunar Eclipse seems to be an area where angels fear to tread or maybe it's more like here be dragons for FET.

You will have to hope some Flat Earther will respond. But the topic has been raised numerous times, and never had, in my opinion at least, any feasible answer.
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: alex314 on September 17, 2019, 10:04:43 PM
Flat earthers: You have nothing to say on this topic? Maybe its inconvenient for you? No verifiable alternative explanation?


Ooooohhhhh.....
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: Romp on September 18, 2019, 01:03:29 AM
I'll start a new theory.

The moon is a luminaire but gets shut down for maintenance every so often.
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: alex314 on September 18, 2019, 01:05:39 AM
I'll start a new theory.

The moon is a luminaire but gets shut down for maintenance every so often.

That is an even better idea than the flat-earth nonsense!
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: radioflat on September 18, 2019, 03:14:11 AM
I'll start a new theory.

The moon is a luminaire but gets shut down for maintenance every so often.

So - when you walk on the moon, you have to wear special insulated boots so you don't get burnt feet?
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: rabinoz on September 18, 2019, 03:58:04 AM
Since no flat earthers here seem prepared to explain Lunar Eclipses let's see how flat earth expert, Rob Skiba, explains them:

Flat Earth and Lunar Eclipses by Dr. Samuel Rowbotham (1865) by Rob Skiba

or maybe this is preferable?

Lunar Eclipse On Flat Earth by MrThriveAndSurvive


Or maybe they don't know?
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: rabinoz on September 18, 2019, 04:08:02 AM
I'll start a new theory.

The moon is a luminaire but gets shut down for maintenance every so often.

So - when you walk on the moon, you have to wear special insulated boots so you don't get burnt feet?
Look at the boots the astronauts did wear:
(https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5964.jpg)
They look to be special insulated boots so Buzz Aldrin didn't get burnt feet.

By the way, Lunar Landing hoaxers like to claim that there are no stars in the photos on the moon, but here is part of the sky brightened considerably:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/bg6oh3v7hwiuphg/Buzz%20Aldrin%20on%20Moon%20-%20AS11-40-5964HR%20-%20sky%20brightened.jpg?dl=1)
Buzz Aldrin on Moon - AS11-40-5964HR - sky brightened

Are they stars of different colours showing?
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: SpaceCadet on September 18, 2019, 09:46:31 AM
I'll start a new theory.

The moon is a luminaire but gets shut down for maintenance every so often.

So - when you walk on the moon, you have to wear special insulated boots so you don't get burnt feet?
Look at the boots the astronauts did wear:
(https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5964.jpg)
They look to be special insulated boots so Buzz Aldrin didn't get burnt feet.

By the way, Lunar Landing hoaxers like to claim that there are no stars in the photos on the moon, but here is part of the sky brightened considerably:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/bg6oh3v7hwiuphg/Buzz%20Aldrin%20on%20Moon%20-%20AS11-40-5964HR%20-%20sky%20brightened.jpg?dl=1)
Buzz Aldrin on Moon - AS11-40-5964HR - sky brightened

Are they stars of different colours showing?

That's just CGI. It's CGI  I tell you. CGIIIIIII.
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: rvlvr on September 18, 2019, 11:03:45 AM
Exactly! And good job, NASA you forgot to add stars!

Goddamn reptilians.
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: John Davis on September 18, 2019, 01:31:15 PM
The oddness is not that there are no stars in the sky, its the inconsistency in stars in the sky vs not. Of course, without an atmosphere, there would be nothing to scatter the light from stars and make them invisible.
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: EvolvedMantisShrimp on September 18, 2019, 01:50:18 PM
The oddness is not that there are no stars in the sky, its the inconsistency in stars in the sky vs not. Of course, without an atmosphere, there would be nothing to scatter the light from stars and make them invisible.

If you're near a city or well lit suburb, it isn't the atmosphere scattering the light from stars that makes them difficult to see. Perhaps there's some other explanation for why stars are sometimes difficult to see.
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: markjo on September 18, 2019, 02:25:43 PM
The oddness is not that there are no stars in the sky, its the inconsistency in stars in the sky vs not. Of course, without an atmosphere, there would be nothing to scatter the light from stars and make them invisible.
Unless you're exposing for relatively brightly lit objects.  How often do you see stars in normal night photos that aren't long exposures?
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: rabinoz on September 18, 2019, 03:26:42 PM
The oddness is not that there are no stars in the sky, its the inconsistency in stars in the sky vs not. Of course, without an atmosphere, there would be nothing to scatter the light from stars and make them invisible.
Ever used a camera?
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on September 18, 2019, 04:11:10 PM
I'm surprised there hasn't been discussion about moonshrimp yet.
Title: Re: Lunar eclipses
Post by: rvlvr on September 18, 2019, 09:39:37 PM
The oddness is not that there are no stars in the sky, its the inconsistency in stars in the sky vs not. Of course, without an atmosphere, there would be nothing to scatter the light from stars and make them invisible.
Ever used a camera?
I guess no!