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Title: Question about sphere earth
Post by: alex314 on September 05, 2019, 10:12:26 PM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Shifter on September 05, 2019, 10:57:19 PM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!

You know and I know that the universe is made up of more than 3 spatial dimensions. You can see the difference in information from a world with a limited 2D scope and the information 3D brings to the table. 4D would be exponentially greater than the difference between 2D and 3D. So aren't you bothered about what you are missing? Can you be confident that what you are seeing is really all there is? Are you really content with this limitation? How would Earth appear and be interacted with as a hypersphere?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: alex314 on September 05, 2019, 11:43:17 PM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!

You know and I know that the universe is made up of more than 3 spatial dimensions.

I do not know that.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Shifter on September 05, 2019, 11:52:10 PM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!

You know and I know that the universe is made up of more than 3 spatial dimensions.

I do not know that.

Then you dont know half as much as you pretend to know. Heard of Brane?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: alex314 on September 06, 2019, 12:04:34 AM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!

You know and I know that the universe is made up of more than 3 spatial dimensions.

I do not know that.

Then you dont know half as much as you pretend to know. Heard of Brane?

Please ask your question.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Shifter on September 06, 2019, 12:06:44 AM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!

You know and I know that the universe is made up of more than 3 spatial dimensions.

I do not know that.

Then you dont know half as much as you pretend to know. Heard of Brane?

Please ask your question.

I did, you stated you didn't know so I gave you something you could study and get back to me.

"The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics. "

Higher dimensions are real and I was asking the question which fits perfectly in your terms of reference.

Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: alex314 on September 06, 2019, 12:11:54 AM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!

You know and I know that the universe is made up of more than 3 spatial dimensions.

I do not know that.

Then you dont know half as much as you pretend to know. Heard of Brane?

Please ask your question.

I did, you stated you didn't know so I gave you something you could study and get back to me.

"The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics. "

Higher dimensions are real and I was asking the question which fits perfectly in your terms of reference.

I am not aware of any higher dimensions. Therefore I cannot answer any questions related to higher dimensions. Simple.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Shifter on September 06, 2019, 12:15:17 AM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!

You know and I know that the universe is made up of more than 3 spatial dimensions.

I do not know that.

Then you dont know half as much as you pretend to know. Heard of Brane?

Please ask your question.

I did, you stated you didn't know so I gave you something you could study and get back to me.

"The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics. "

Higher dimensions are real and I was asking the question which fits perfectly in your terms of reference.

I am not aware of any higher dimensions. Therefore I cannot answer any questions related to higher dimensions. Simple.

If your answers are confined only to an Earth in 3 dimensions, all your answers will be incomplete or flat out incorrect.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: alex314 on September 06, 2019, 01:55:26 AM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!

You know and I know that the universe is made up of more than 3 spatial dimensions.

I do not know that.

Then you dont know half as much as you pretend to know. Heard of Brane?

Please ask your question.

I did, you stated you didn't know so I gave you something you could study and get back to me.

"The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics. "

Higher dimensions are real and I was asking the question which fits perfectly in your terms of reference.

I am not aware of any higher dimensions. Therefore I cannot answer any questions related to higher dimensions. Simple.

If your answers are confined only to an Earth in 3 dimensions, all your answers will be incomplete or flat out incorrect.

All I can say that I do not know of any existance of more than 3 spatial dimensions. Therefore i cannot answer your question! Maybe there are more than 3 spatial dimensions, maybe not.


Any other question?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Macarios on September 06, 2019, 02:14:18 AM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!

You know and I know that the universe is made up of more than 3 spatial dimensions.

I do not know that.

Then you dont know half as much as you pretend to know. Heard of Brane?

Please ask your question.

I did, you stated you didn't know so I gave you something you could study and get back to me.

"The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics. "

Higher dimensions are real and I was asking the question which fits perfectly in your terms of reference.

I am not aware of any higher dimensions. Therefore I cannot answer any questions related to higher dimensions. Simple.

If your answers are confined only to an Earth in 3 dimensions, all your answers will be incomplete or flat out incorrect.

No ancient nor modern geodesy is using fourth or any higher dimension while measuring our planet.
The Earth was every time measured in three known dimensions and in those three dimensions it is very close to spherical.

About higher dimensions there is no data.
Who is traveling in such manner, or who is building infrastructure in more than three dimensions?

Also, if knowing only three dimension makes one "bothered about what you are missing" (your words),
then you can imagine how much more can be bothered the one who even misses (or denies) the third dimension already.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: rvlvr on September 06, 2019, 02:18:21 AM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!
If meat's bad for you, then how come it's food?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: alex314 on September 06, 2019, 02:35:56 AM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!
If meat's bad for you, then how come it's food?

I cannot answer that question appropriately, as I am no expert in food question (as stated above: I am an expert regarding shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics, not biology or medicine).
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: rvlvr on September 06, 2019, 02:43:02 AM
I thought it might have something to do with the black sun :(
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Hamzah on September 06, 2019, 09:24:30 AM
Whatever happens in the skies far way only reaches us many years later. Will we be able to see the destruction of our universe by looking at the far away stars?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Themightykabool on September 06, 2019, 09:33:13 AM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!
If meat's bad for you, then how come it's food?

Too much water is bad for you too...
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Yes on September 06, 2019, 10:49:04 AM
Shifter, if you have any evidence whatsoever of additional spatial dimensions, the rest of humanity would love to know.  We've been searching for evidence for a long time and so far have not found anything.

Or at least just let me know.  Please.  You have no idea how disappointed I was from the result of Limits on the number of spacetime dimensions from GW170817 (https://arxiv.org/abs/1801.08160).
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: alex314 on September 08, 2019, 09:24:00 PM
Shifter, if you have any evidence whatsoever of additional spatial dimensions, the rest of humanity would love to know.  We've been searching for evidence for a long time and so far have not found anything.

Or at least just let me know.  Please.  You have no idea how disappointed I was from the result of Limits on the number of spacetime dimensions from GW170817 (https://arxiv.org/abs/1801.08160).

I should follow the results of gravitational waves observations more closely. I was working in that area previously  ;D
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: faded mike on September 08, 2019, 10:19:57 PM
 If scientists could draw a free body diagram of the change in angular momentum of a south bound plane travelling from far in the north to the equator, and then measure to test against hypothesis, would, and how so, would this prove the sperical nature of the earth.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: alex314 on September 08, 2019, 10:28:46 PM
If scientists could draw a free body diagram of the change in angular momentum of a south bound plane travelling from far in the north to the equator, and then measure to test against hypothesis, would, and how so, would this prove the sperical nature of the earth.

Of course.

But given the very small change over a flight duration of many hours, and a lot of external disturbances during the flight (wind, clouds, airstreams etc). these disturbances are most likely much larger than what you are about to measure. I would say it is a very impractical way to measure earth's rotation.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 09, 2019, 07:24:10 PM
Hello flat earthers,

I am an expert in the sphere earth (like about 7 other billion people), and I would be HAPPY to answer any question you have about the sphere earth model / observations / experiments etc. The question must be related to the shape of earth, physics, astronomy or mathematics.

I will answer in a clear and direct manner (and not like flat earthers in a evading, insulting and confusing answer).

Please ask!

Why should we believe you are an expert when your opening statement is that 7 billion people are also experts? At least 1/4 of them can't agree if the earth goes around the sun or the sun goes around the earth. Is your level of expertise up to that excellent standard?

OK. Here is my physics question. If you travel past me at close to the speed of light, which is the dominant effect on your arguments; that the stick up your ass is shorter from length contraction, or your stupid prattling lasts longer because of time dilation?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: kopfverderber on September 09, 2019, 10:32:41 PM
Why should we believe you are an expert when your opening statement is that 7 billion people are also experts? At least 1/4 of them can't agree if the earth goes around the sun or the sun goes around the earth. Is your level of expertise up to that excellent standard?

1/4 of world population doesnt know that the earth orbits the sun? That's saddening. Where did you get that statistic from?

Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: rvlvr on September 09, 2019, 10:36:28 PM
Why does FE seem more stoopi than RE?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: sandokhan on September 09, 2019, 10:59:09 PM
No ancient nor modern geodesy is using fourth or any higher dimension while measuring our planet.
The Earth was every time measured in three known dimensions and in those three dimensions it is very close to spherical.

About higher dimensions there is no data.


Then, YOU HAVE NO GENERAL RELATIVITY.

If there is NO DATA concerning higher dimensions, YOU ARE OUT OF LUCK with Einstein's relativity.

A geodesic generalizes the notion of a "straight line" to curved spacetime, INTO FOUR DIMENSIONS.

Most physicists now accept the existence of FIVE DIMENSIONS in order to describe relativity using Weyl's affine connection.

HERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR THE KALUZA-KLEIN PARTICLE:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1920865#msg1920865
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Macarios on September 09, 2019, 11:05:47 PM
No ancient nor modern geodesy is using fourth or any higher dimension while measuring our planet.
The Earth was every time measured in three known dimensions and in those three dimensions it is very close to spherical.

About higher dimensions there is no data.


Then, YOU HAVE NO GENERAL RELATIVITY.

If there is NO DATA concerning higher dimensions, YOU ARE OUT OF LUCK with Einstein's relativity.

A geodesic generalizes the notion of a "straight line" to curved spacetime, INTO FOUR DIMENSIONS.

Most physicists now accept the existence of FIVE DIMENSIONS in order to describe relativity using Weyl's affine connection.

HERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR THE KALUZA-KLEIN PARTICLE:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1920865#msg1920865

Ok, what are the coordinates of Statue of Liberty in four-dimensional coordinate system?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: sandokhan on September 09, 2019, 11:12:10 PM
You need to upgrade your knowledge of five-dimensional theory of relativity.

“It appears that the union of gravitation and Maxwell’s theory is achieved in a completely satisfactory way by the five-dimensional theory (Kaluza-Klein).”

(Einstein to H. A. Lorentz, 16 February 1927)

“Kaluza's roundabout way of introducing the five dimensional continuum allows us to regard the gravitational and electromagnetic fields as a unitary space structure”

Einstein, A. & Bergman, P., On a Generalization of Kaluza's Theory of Electricity. In: Modern Kaluza-Klein Theories. Menlo Park: Addison-Wesley, p. 93.

T. Kaluza, Zum Unitatsproblem der Physik, Sitz. Preuss. Akad. Wiss. Phys.
Math. K1 (1921) 966

O. Klein, Quantentheorie und funfdimensionale Relativitatstheorie, Zeits.
Phys. 37 (1926) 895

In 1921, T. Kaluza showed that the gravitational and electromagnetic fields stem from a single universal tensor and such an intimate combination of the two interactions is possible in principle, with the introduction of an additional spacial dimension.

In 1926, Oscar Klein provided an explanation for Kaluza’s fifth dimension by proposing it to have a circular topology so that the coordinate y is periodic i.e., 0 ≤ y ≤ 2πR, where R is the radius of the circle S1. Thus the global space has topology R4× S1.

Kaluza-Klein compactification: although there are four space dimensions, one of the space dimensions is compact with a small radius.

Theodor Kaluza and Oscar Klein were able to recover four dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell’s equations for a vector field.

The extra space dimension somehow had collapsed down to a tiny circle "smaller than the smallest atom".

"Klein theorized that Kaluza's new dimension likely had somehow collapsed down to the "Planck length" itself -- supposedly the smallest possible size allowed by these fundamental interactions: 10-33 cm."

"Kaluza and Klein showed that this extra dimension would still have an effect on the space around us. In particular they showed that the effect of gravity in that very small fifth dimension would actually appear to us, from our larger-scale perspective, as electromagnetism."
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Macarios on September 09, 2019, 11:13:15 PM
You need to upgrade your knowledge of five-dimensional theory of relativity.

“It appears that the union of gravitation and Maxwell’s theory is achieved in a completely satisfactory way by the five-dimensional theory (Kaluza-Klein).”

(Einstein to H. A. Lorentz, 16 February 1927)

“Kaluza's roundabout way of introducing the five dimensional continuum allows us to regard the gravitational and electromagnetic fields as a unitary space structure”

Einstein, A. & Bergman, P., On a Generalization of Kaluza's Theory of Electricity. In: Modern Kaluza-Klein Theories. Menlo Park: Addison-Wesley, p. 93.

T. Kaluza, Zum Unitatsproblem der Physik, Sitz. Preuss. Akad. Wiss. Phys.
Math. K1 (1921) 966

O. Klein, Quantentheorie und funfdimensionale Relativitatstheorie, Zeits.
Phys. 37 (1926) 895

In 1921, T. Kaluza showed that the gravitational and electromagnetic fields stem from a single universal tensor and such an intimate combination of the two interactions is possible in principle, with the introduction of an additional spacial dimension.

In 1926, Oscar Klein provided an explanation for Kaluza’s fifth dimension by proposing it to have a circular topology so that the coordinate y is periodic i.e., 0 ≤ y ≤ 2πR, where R is the radius of the circle S1. Thus the global space has topology R4× S1.

Kaluza-Klein compactification: although there are four space dimensions, one of the space dimensions is compact with a small radius.

Theodor Kaluza and Oscar Klein were able to recover four dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell’s equations for a vector field.

The extra space dimension somehow had collapsed down to a tiny circle "smaller than the smallest atom".

"Klein theorized that Kaluza's new dimension likely had somehow collapsed down to the "Planck length" itself -- supposedly the smallest possible size allowed by these fundamental interactions: 10-33 cm."

"Kaluza and Klein showed that this extra dimension would still have an effect on the space around us. In particular they showed that the effect of gravity in that very small fifth dimension would actually appear to us, from our larger-scale perspective, as electromagnetism."

Ok, ok: what are the coordinates of Statue of Liberty in FIVE-dimensional coordinate system?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: sandokhan on September 09, 2019, 11:18:20 PM
Don't you understand?

We are all CONNECTED to the five-dimension plane of existence through the BOSONS.

The Kaluza-Klein particle is the BOSON.

Please read the references provided so that you can understand this very important fact.

Anytime and anywhere you see a magnetism in action, an electrical device (such as the one which powers the Statue of Liberty's torch) you are witnessing the effects of FIVE DIMENSIONS relativity theory.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Macarios on September 09, 2019, 11:30:33 PM
Don't you understand?

We are all CONNECTED to the five-dimension plane of existence through the BOSONS.

The Kaluza-Klein particle is the BOSON.

Please read the references provided so that you can understand this very important fact.

Anytime and anywhere you see a magnetism in action, an electrical device (such as the one which powers the Statue of Liberty's torch) you are witnessing the effects of FIVE DIMENSIONS relativity theory.

First things first:
We can broaden the theoretical discussion AFTER we establish the practical connection with the very origin of this thread.

How many dimensions are today in practical use for, say, defining Geodetic Datums?
Is that way the Earth's shape defined (and measured) in more than three dimensions?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: sandokhan on September 09, 2019, 11:32:28 PM
Today there are FIVE DIMENSIONS AT WORK.

Totally proven by Weyl's affine connection theory as applied to relativity.

Totally proven by the existence of the Kaluza-Klein particle.

A higher dimension means a more INFINITESIMAL SUBDIVISION of the atom itself.

You find your higher dimensions at the quantum level.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Macarios on September 09, 2019, 11:40:21 PM
Today there are FIVE DIMENSIONS AT WORK.

Totally proven by Weyl's affine connection theory as applied to relativity.

Totally proven by the existence of the Kaluza-Klein particle.

A higher dimension means a more INFINITESIMAL SUBDIVISION of the atom itself.

You find your higher dimensions at the quantum level.

All in all, how many dimensions are in practical use by Geodesy today?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: sandokhan on September 09, 2019, 11:56:17 PM
Use the PRACTICAL DEFINITION UTILIZED BY RELATIVISTS TO DESCRIBE GEODESY:

A geodesic generalizes the notion of a "straight line" to curved spacetime, INTO FOUR DIMENSIONS.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 10, 2019, 04:41:18 AM
Why should we believe you are an expert when your opening statement is that 7 billion people are also experts? At least 1/4 of them can't agree if the earth goes around the sun or the sun goes around the earth. Is your level of expertise up to that excellent standard?

1/4 of world population doesnt know that the earth orbits the sun? That's saddening. Where did you get that statistic from?

https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2018/nsb20181/report/sections/science-and-technology-public-attitudes-and-understanding/public-knowledge-about-s-t
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: kopfverderber on September 10, 2019, 05:56:09 AM
Why should we believe you are an expert when your opening statement is that 7 billion people are also experts? At least 1/4 of them can't agree if the earth goes around the sun or the sun goes around the earth. Is your level of expertise up to that excellent standard?

1/4 of world population doesnt know that the earth orbits the sun? That's saddening. Where did you get that statistic from?

https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2018/nsb20181/report/sections/science-and-technology-public-attitudes-and-understanding/public-knowledge-about-s-t

Thanks for the link. 34% 66% of those interviewed in the EU couldn't answer the question correctly, that's really sad.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: sandokhan on September 10, 2019, 06:28:53 AM
Given the absolute fact that all of the RE here do not know what causes terrestrial gravity, and have no answer for it, the percentage should have been much higher than 25%.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Themightykabool on September 10, 2019, 07:28:40 AM
Given the absolute fact that all of the RE here do not know what causes terrestrial gravity, and have no answer for it, the percentage should have been much higher than 25%.

Things fall.
The why?
Would you have the same argument about chemistry?
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 10, 2019, 07:31:54 AM
Given the absolute fact that all of the RE here do not know what causes terrestrial gravity, and have no answer for it, the percentage should have been much higher than 25%.

Mass.

(Oooh, he hates that. Now watch the Sandosplaining begin!)
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: Macarios on September 10, 2019, 02:09:21 PM
Given the absolute fact that all of the RE here do not know what causes terrestrial gravity, and have no answer for it, the percentage should have been much higher than 25%.

Limiting that statement to RE is not really "the whole truth".
The whole modern humanity is still unaware of the true nature of gravity.
Only known things about it are the manifestations.
For now.

We can send probes precisely anywhere in the Solar system using gravity of
planets, moons and asteroids, we can determine and use Lagrange points,
but we still don't know why it works.
Title: Re: Question about sphere earth
Post by: alex314 on September 13, 2019, 07:17:47 AM
Given the absolute fact that all of the RE here do not know what causes terrestrial gravity, and have no answer for it, the percentage should have been much higher than 25%.

Gravity is caused by mass.