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Title: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: PaleRider on September 03, 2019, 06:44:36 PM
Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on September 03, 2019, 06:52:30 PM
I suggest you spend some time reading threads.

The starting point is that the earth looks flat.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: alex314 on September 03, 2019, 10:04:50 PM
Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.

Thought about it, but I have non serious argument in favor of a flat earth. Asking for them also all the time - no response of something that makes sense!
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: kopfverderber on September 03, 2019, 10:30:08 PM
FE has no real arguments From what I have seen, FE spend most of their time trying to find issues with RE and looking at NASA videos, rather than defending thier own model.

Yes the earth looks flat and the sun looks like it goes underground overnight.

Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: alex314 on September 03, 2019, 11:30:48 PM
FE has no real arguments From what I have seen, FE spend most of their time trying to find issues with RE and looking at NASA videos, rather than defending thier own model.

I have never seen a complete flat-earth model, describing how it all works. Not even a tiny part of such a 'model'.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: kosmacz on September 04, 2019, 12:50:10 AM
There is even a prize for such a model, funded by someone on youtube. Ill try to find it.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: wise on September 04, 2019, 01:00:21 AM
Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.

You may to start by reading here:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71901.0
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Shifter on September 04, 2019, 01:01:15 AM
FE has no real arguments From what I have seen, FE spend most of their time trying to find issues with RE and looking at NASA videos, rather than defending thier own model.

I have never seen a complete flat-earth model, describing how it all works. Not even a tiny part of such a 'model'.

JRowe had this whole model worked out. He used to post here years ago and was very proud and defensive of it. Jane, do you know where he may be?  8)
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Stash on September 04, 2019, 01:14:29 AM
Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.

It's funny you should ask such a basic question and I'm having a hard time answering it. I think Space Cowgirl said it best twice; search around here and for two, by far, the best argument and almost only argument, is that it looks flat. When I say 'only' I just mean in the sense, if one were to take it at face value, FE wins, hands down.
If you and I were looking out over a vast ocean and you said, "See, it's flat, look how flat it is." I would retort, "Yes, it appears that way, but you have to understand, it's a huge globe, we are small, our field of view is thus and it only 'appears' flat, but it really isn't..." Cutting in you respond, "Ummm, yeah, whatever, look, it's flat," whilst gesturing out with a sweeping arm guiding my gaze horizontally across the line where water meets sky that is oh so straight and level in all directions.
That's just the brown fragile and flaky velum on the surface of the onion. You start peeling and you may never find any adequate answers, or you might. 
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Shifter on September 04, 2019, 01:22:57 AM
Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.

It's funny you should ask such a basic question and I'm having a hard time answering it. I think Space Cowgirl said it best twice; search around here and for two, by far, the best argument and almost only argument, is that it looks flat. When I say 'only' I just mean in the sense, if one were to take it at face value, FE wins, hands down.
If you and I were looking out over a vast ocean and you said, "See, it's flat, look how flat it is." I would retort, "Yes, it appears that way, but you have to understand, it's a huge globe, we are small, our field of view is thus and it only 'appears' flat, but it really isn't..." Cutting in you respond, "Ummm, yeah, whatever, look, it's flat," whilst gesturing out with a sweeping arm guiding my gaze horizontally across the line where water meets sky that is oh so straight and level in all directions.
That's just the brown fragile and flaky velum on the surface of the onion. You start peeling and you may never find any adequate answers, or you might.

Wait... So if we were to imagine if a single bacteria on the surface of an orange had eyes, that orange would look flat to it? And if you took that bacteria far enough away from the orange, its spherical shape would take hold?

Whoa, mind blown

Here's a thought experiment. Imagine a cross section of a pool table in 2 dimensions. You only see one 2D piece of it. As people are shooting pool and the balls roll across the table you would see these coloured points, turn into lines and back to points again (as the ball rolls past your field of 2D view). This flat lander would have NO WAY to construct what is REALLY going on. All he sees are colourful points, turning into lines, then back to points again at random. Yet in the 3D world we see people playing pool. How much more information about our reality does 1 spatial dimension bring us? Now imagine what we miss from being unable to see or interact with the 4th spatial dimension - and beyond.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: dutchy on September 04, 2019, 06:35:47 AM
The best arguments in favour of a flat earth are :

1 There still isn’t a mechanical device/structure that demonstrates curving sea levels at appr. 8 inches per mile squared.

2 The authories , outlets and educational system under the authority of the globe earth notion have drawn a false impression about visible curvature and a supposed bulge without immidiatly correcting such flawed notions in school, on tv and everything in between.

3 No ordinary person has ever seen a ship go over the bulge without modern equipment, it was claimed (textbook reality) the ancient Greeks could see such a sighting using their eyes only.

4 Not that long ago  people ‘knew’ you could ‘see’ a slight curve from an airplane window at 30.000 feet.... heard it everywhere from everyone.

4 The ISS footage always show a dramatic curve when looking to earth

5 Only recently Neil deGrasse Tyson demonstrated with a big beachball on stage that one has to go to outerspace to see the tiniest of curvature to begin with.
The rest is to small for the flawed human eyesight to take into any reliable context.

Untill the flatearth movement none of the above was corrected and presented as the globe community has all of a sudden ‘repaired’ the globe misconceptions prior to the last decade.
To me it shows how convenient the crap of visible curvature/bulge ‘proof’ really was prior to 2000.
Why ? Why lie and ignore about well known facts before people are complaining ?

Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: mak3m on September 04, 2019, 07:13:11 AM
The best arguments in favour of a flat earth are :

1 There still isn’t a mechanical device/structure that demonstrates curving sea levels at appr. 8 inches per mile squared.


Theodolite, new automatic level , Sokkia GRX2, Total Station, even my old Dumpy Level.

Although I can only demonstrate 80mm per KM
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: dutchy on September 04, 2019, 08:14:43 AM
The best arguments in favour of a flat earth are :

1 There still isn’t a mechanical device/structure that demonstrates curving sea levels at appr. 8 inches per mile squared.


Theodolite, new automatic level , Sokkia GRX2, Total Station, even my old Dumpy Level.

Although I can only demonstrate 80mm per KM
Yawn..... no optical devices..... isn’t that clear when i mentioned device/structure ?

Something like Teed’s rectinileator to demonstrate a concave earth.
But the modern equivalent with pin point accuracy over at least a couple of miles.
Not based on whatever ‘optical’ phenomena.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: mak3m on September 04, 2019, 09:38:50 AM
The best arguments in favour of a flat earth are :

1 There still isn’t a mechanical device/structure that demonstrates curving sea levels at appr. 8 inches per mile squared.


Theodolite, new automatic level , Sokkia GRX2, Total Station, even my old Dumpy Level.

Although I can only demonstrate 80mm per KM
Yawn..... no optical devices..... isn’t that clear when i mentioned device/structure ?

Something like Teed’s rectinileator to demonstrate a concave earth.
But the modern equivalent with pin point accuracy over at least a couple of miles.
Not based on whatever ‘optical’ phenomena.

I cant use my eyes??? you might have me here.

Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: mak3m on September 04, 2019, 09:55:30 AM
Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.
There are many. And you can easily prove our oceans don't curve with this simple experiment and observation. For best results, use  common sense without indoctrination.

(https://i.imgur.com/0gKMv8S.jpg)

I dont think any round earther has ever suggested that a table is constructed to follow the curvature of the earth
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 04, 2019, 10:06:30 AM
Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.
There are many. And you can easily prove our oceans don't curve with this simple experiment and observation. For best results, use  common sense without indoctrination.

(https://i.imgur.com/0gKMv8S.jpg)

I dont think any round earther has ever suggested that a table is constructed to follow the curvature of the earth

Did I forget to mention “For best results, use  common sense without indoctrination.”?  Which you are not clearly displaying.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: mak3m on September 04, 2019, 10:29:55 AM
Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.
There are many. And you can easily prove our oceans don't curve with this simple experiment and observation. For best results, use  common sense without indoctrination.

(https://i.imgur.com/0gKMv8S.jpg)

I dont think any round earther has ever suggested that a table is constructed to follow the curvature of the earth

Did I forget to mention “For best results, use  common sense without indoctrination.”?  Which you are not clearly displaying.

For simplicity sakes lets say your round earth table is 1 m long you are asking the observer to observe a deviation of 0.00008m
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 04, 2019, 12:29:40 PM

I deleted an experiment post to make post for a clearer one. The results of the experiment and what we actually observe is a great argument!


(https://i.imgur.com/CYPOEQL.jpg)
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: frenat on September 04, 2019, 12:32:18 PM

I deleted an experiment post to make post for a clearer one. The results of the experiment and what we actually observe is a great argument!


(https://i.imgur.com/CYPOEQL.jpg)

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/sun-glitter.jpg)
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 04, 2019, 12:35:22 PM
Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.
There are many. And you can easily prove our oceans don't curve with this simple experiment and observation. For best results, use  common sense without indoctrination.


I dont think any round earther has ever suggested that a table is constructed to follow the curvature of the earth

Did I forget to mention “For best results, use  common sense without indoctrination.”?  Which you are not clearly displaying.

For simplicity sakes lets say your round earth table is 1 m long you are asking the observer to observe a deviation of 0.00008m

Let’s just make this real simple. There is no reason to hash out a non-ending argument with the opposition.

Light either bends over a curved surface under normal conditions or it doesn't. Which is it?

Simple question.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 04, 2019, 12:42:12 PM

I deleted an experiment post to make post for a clearer one. The results of the experiment and what we actually observe is a great argument!


(https://i.imgur.com/CYPOEQL.jpg)

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/sun-glitter.jpg)

Sun Glitter? Really?  Hahahaha  You guys are really desperate.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: frenat on September 04, 2019, 12:46:59 PM

I deleted an experiment post to make post for a clearer one. The results of the experiment and what we actually observe is a great argument!


(https://i.imgur.com/CYPOEQL.jpg)

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/sun-glitter.jpg)

Sun Glitter? Really?  Hahahaha  You guys are really desperate.
so you think the water is a completely smooth surface analogous to your aluminum? Hahahaha you are really desperate.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 04, 2019, 01:17:29 PM

I deleted an experiment post to make post for a clearer one. The results of the experiment and what we actually observe is a great argument!


(https://i.imgur.com/CYPOEQL.jpg)

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/sun-glitter.jpg)

Sun Glitter? Really?  Hahahaha  You guys are really desperate.
so you think the water is a completely smooth surface analogous to your aluminum? Hahahaha you are really desperate.

It can be. Sure. See....

(https://i.imgur.com/UyjkBp9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NpumeCN.jpg)
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: frenat on September 04, 2019, 01:24:52 PM

I deleted an experiment post to make post for a clearer one. The results of the experiment and what we actually observe is a great argument!


(https://i.imgur.com/CYPOEQL.jpg)

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/sun-glitter.jpg)

Sun Glitter? Really?  Hahahaha  You guys are really desperate.
so you think the water is a completely smooth surface analogous to your aluminum? Hahahaha you are really desperate.

It can be. Sure. See....

(https://i.imgur.com/UyjkBp9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NpumeCN.jpg)

Are you changing arguments now? Those aren't the same as saying you can't get a reflection from the sun to stretch a longer distance to the observers feet. A reflection of a large object is completely different than a point source stretching into a line. All you're showing now is there is little distortion when you are very close to a curved mirror especially when the curve is very slight. Yet another fail from Plat Terra.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on September 04, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
You guys don't actually have to turn every thread into this boring slapfight.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Themightykabool on September 04, 2019, 01:36:06 PM

I deleted an experiment post to make post for a clearer one. The results of the experiment and what we actually observe is a great argument!


(https://i.imgur.com/CYPOEQL.jpg)

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/sun-glitter.jpg)

Sun Glitter? Really?  Hahahaha  You guys are really desperate.

Desparate how?
There is a clear example shown by the caes in the rain.
Are you saying that photos of cars in the ran are produced by fake news nasa?

Your stupidass candle experiment will show that once the buldge blocks the line of sight, the reflection disappears.

As well as the many previous comments about refraction.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: mak3m on September 04, 2019, 02:38:07 PM
Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.
There are many. And you can easily prove our oceans don't curve with this simple experiment and observation. For best results, use  common sense without indoctrination.


I dont think any round earther has ever suggested that a table is constructed to follow the curvature of the earth

Did I forget to mention “For best results, use  common sense without indoctrination.”?  Which you are not clearly displaying.

For simplicity sakes lets say your round earth table is 1 m long you are asking the observer to observe a deviation of 0.00008m

Let’s just make this real simple. There is no reason to hash out a non-ending argument with the opposition.

Light either bends over a curved surface under normal conditions or it doesn't. Which is it?

Simple question.

Light travels in waves and a straight line simultaneously

In quantum terms it can do either independantly depending if its observed
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Shifter on September 04, 2019, 03:04:14 PM
In quantum terms it can do either independantly depending if its observed

And just how does the light know its being 'observed'.

You guys want to shit on flat earths 'bendy light magic' then I will shit on the idea that light is sentient
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: mak3m on September 04, 2019, 03:08:07 PM
In quantum terms it can do either independantly depending if its observed

And just how does the light know its being 'observed'.

You guys want to shit on flat earths 'bendy light magic' then I will shit on the idea that light is sentient

I added that for completeness

It has been observed (no pun intended) last time I checked it was still up for debate.

Its Quantum Physics it is beyond me, so I would not use it to evidence a point but as I said added for completeness.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: rabinoz on September 04, 2019, 05:59:53 PM

I deleted an experiment post to make post for a clearer one. The results of the experiment and what we actually observe is a great argument!
(https://i.imgur.com/CYPOEQL.jpg)

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/sun-glitter.jpg)
Sun Glitter? Really?  Hahahaha  You guys are really desperate.
so you think the water is a completely smooth surface analogous to your aluminum? Hahahaha you are really desperate.
You are certainly desperate! The ocean water in the above photos is rippled and far from a mirror-like surface - surely even YOU can see that!

And your "argument" would prove that the road reflecting the car headlights is perfectly flat ::). But any properly constructed road has camber (a curve) built in.

Your "proofs" are getting ridiculouser and ridiculouser!
               (https://www.dropbox.com/s/0r01klnpv81evvl/Sometimes%20I%27ve%20believed%20as%20many%20as%206%20IMPOSSIBLE%20Things%20before%20breakfast.jpg?dl=1)

Quote from: Plat Terra
It can be. Sure. See....
(https://i.imgur.com/UyjkBp9.jpg)      (https://i.imgur.com/NpumeCN.jpg)
Sure it CAN ;D but in the sun path photos the water ins not mirror-like.

And in those two photos, there is no sun and no indication of the distance so they are completely irrelevant! Try again.

Now look at the reflections off the waves in your original meme.
Waves are curves in the water surface and look at the near side of the far wave - the sunlight is even reflecting off the ripples in that - QED You have NO case!.

Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Macarios on September 04, 2019, 08:06:21 PM

I deleted an experiment post to make post for a clearer one. The results of the experiment and what we actually observe is a great argument!


(https://i.imgur.com/CYPOEQL.jpg)

The sun above the sea: the horizon is 5 kilometers away, which is 2.7 nautical miles.
It is 2.7 arc minutes of curvature.
You have to bend your tin foil for no more than 2.7 arc minutes.

If the length of the cardboard is 40 centimeters, then the bulge has to be 0.03 centimeters = 0.3 millimeters.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: JackBlack on September 05, 2019, 03:04:25 AM
I deleted an experiment post to make post for a clearer one.
Don't worry, that wasn't needed. It is still pure nonsense.

There are 2 reasons for the reflection to not go all the way:
1 - It is a specular reflection. In this case for a FE you should see the sun perfectly mirrored. For a RE you would see the sun mirrored, with a very insignificant (i.e. undetectable by the human eye) distortion due to the curve.
2 - The bulge at the centre is large enough such that it blocks the path of the light to the section of foil. But that would then mean the sun has set, or you are in the region still illuminated and thus the reflection goes all the way.

So that in no way proves Earth is flat.
If that is the best you have, you have nothing.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: kopfverderber on September 05, 2019, 04:42:19 AM
I think we already have good sample of FE's "best arguments" in the thread. They mostly boil down to variations of these two basic arguments:

- it looks flat / where is the curvature?
- NASA bad, very bad
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on September 05, 2019, 06:26:37 AM
No, you're ignoring the thousands of threads with other arguments to focus on Plat Terra. A noob who posts memes.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Unconvinced on September 05, 2019, 07:56:24 AM
No, you're ignoring the thousands of threads with other arguments to focus on Plat Terra. A noob who posts memes.

At least Plat Terra gives people something to talk about.

As you said yourself, “looks flat” pretty much sums it up for many flat earthers.  Or maybe “looks flat, NASA lies, and we’re all indoctrinated”
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Macarios on September 05, 2019, 08:55:42 AM
"Looks flat?"
Well, look again.

Stand on the flat ground (or at sea shore) and visualize a line from your feet away.
That line always bends slightly down and eventually gets hidden behind the horizon.
That way you will have your horizon at 3 miles from you and a top (not the bottom) of high hill or tall building visible several miles farther than that.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: besters on September 10, 2019, 02:15:08 PM
Cow Girl said earlier that a starting point for good arguments for the earth being flat is that "the earth looks flat - look out the window"!

What kind of argument is that?

Well, of course it looks flat when viewing a few hundred down the road! What would you expect the curvature to be like on a spherical object thousands of miles in diameter?

That argument is so lame it truly beggars belief and I am truly astonished that a human being can say such a thing. I mean, are you for real or what?
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: besters on September 10, 2019, 02:16:17 PM
If "Look out the Window" ranks as one of the best arguments for a flat earth I will literally LMAO!
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Shifter on September 10, 2019, 02:20:16 PM
If "Look out the Window" ranks as one of the best arguments for a flat earth I will literally LMAO!

You clearly have never looked  ::)
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: besters on September 10, 2019, 02:30:25 PM
Well of course I have, each and every day!

Yes, it looks flat... for about 50 or sixty feet.

And that is the Best Argument for a Flat Earth? That along with the argument that them folk at NASA are very, very naughty and are trying to make us believe stuff that isn't true. Like those astronaut folk who landed on the moon. That was all fake that was! Really? Tell me this is a dream and that people can't really exist who actually believe this nonsense!
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: besters on September 10, 2019, 02:36:49 PM
I guess some people just don't want to believe in things and would rather believe in hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo stuff like flat earth theories!
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Stash on September 10, 2019, 02:44:02 PM
I guess some people just don't want to believe in things and would rather believe in hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo stuff like flat earth theories!

You're going to have to do better than that because the only equal and appropriate response would be:

I guess some people just don't want to believe in things and would rather believe in hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo stuff like globe earth theories!
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: rvlvr on September 10, 2019, 02:45:50 PM
If "Look out the Window" ranks as one of the best arguments for a flat earth I will literally LMAO!

Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on September 10, 2019, 03:04:56 PM
Calm down, besters.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Shifter on September 10, 2019, 03:22:37 PM
I guess some people just don't want to believe in things and would rather believe in hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo stuff like flat earth theories!

You honestly think your brain has the capability to comprehend the infinite vastness of the universe? That your eyes see all there is to see? You are the fool here. Not those who open their minds to the possibilities
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Themightykabool on September 10, 2019, 03:29:49 PM
I guess some people just don't want to believe in things and would rather believe in hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo stuff like flat earth theories!

You honestly think your brain has the capability to comprehend the infinite vastness of the universe? That your eyes see all there is to see? You are the fool here. Not those who open their minds to the possibilities

Have you opened your mind to the possibilities?
Or is space travel impossible.
We live on a giant ball in an even gianter solar system in an even gianter galaxy
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Shifter on September 10, 2019, 03:32:58 PM
I guess some people just don't want to believe in things and would rather believe in hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo stuff like flat earth theories!

You honestly think your brain has the capability to comprehend the infinite vastness of the universe? That your eyes see all there is to see? You are the fool here. Not those who open their minds to the possibilities

Have you opened your mind to the possibilities?
Or is space travel impossible.
We live on a giant ball in an even gianter solar system in an even gianter galaxy

I have never said space travel is impossible. However humans are squishy, high maintenance, we don't live long and our bodies are fragile. Space travel in our current form is both stupid and a death sentence. You need to wait for the transhuman age before things can really take off for the colonization of space.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: rabinoz on September 10, 2019, 07:16:15 PM
I guess some people just don't want to believe in things and would rather believe in hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo stuff like flat earth theories!

You honestly think your brain has the capability to comprehend the infinite vastness of the universe? That your eyes see all there is to see? You are the fool here. Not those who open their minds to the possibilities

Have you opened your mind to the possibilities?
Or is space travel impossible.
We live on a giant ball in an even gianter solar system in an even gianter galaxy

I have never said space travel is impossible. However humans are squishy, high maintenance, we don't live long and our bodies are fragile.
Sure, but that is why crewed missions need a lot of life-support equipment.

Quote from: Shifter
Space travel in our current form is both stupid and a death sentence.

So says Shifter, but noth necessarily a death sentence!

And not much over a century ago exploring the Antarctic might have been considered "both stupid and a death sentence" but people did explore Antarctica.
About 15 (plus one cat) have died in Antarctic exploration plus more in private expeditions - yet people still go there.

More than 300 people have died attempting to reach the summit of Mount Everest - yet people still attempt it.

And an almost countless number died from numerous cause in earth exploration of the earth - but they still kept exploring!

To date, there have been 14 astronaut and 4 cosmonaut fatalities during spaceflight and at least 3 in training or launchpad activities.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Shifter on September 10, 2019, 07:28:20 PM
To date, there have been 14 astronaut and 4 cosmonaut fatalities during spaceflight and at least 3 in training or launchpad activities.

Given the dangerous nature of the profession that's pretty low.

More people die playing sports or other jobs like mining etc.

I still believe that a journey in space lasting many months to years invites early death. For example, if we want to get to Mars, we need to not only terraform the planet first, but we need to get there much much faster than our current technologies allow.

All these people that wanted to sign up to this Mars One project... What did they think they would see when they got there? You cant breathe. You cant grow anything, the surface is blasted with radiation because there is no protective magnetosphere, the core isn't spinning and we haven't got the technology to restart a planets core which you will need if you ever wish the planet to hold onto an atmosphere. Mars, currently is a shitty candidate for colonisation yet we cant seem to get enough of it. Elon Musk even proposed a mind boggling stupid idea to Nuke the poles. Well the science is out and tears that idea to shreds lol
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: rabinoz on September 10, 2019, 08:56:01 PM
To date, there have been 14 astronaut and 4 cosmonaut fatalities during spaceflight and at least 3 in training or launchpad activities.

Given the dangerous nature of the profession that's pretty low.

More people die playing sports or other jobs like mining etc.

I still believe that a journey in space lasting many months to years invites early death.
I'm with you on that one, at least till we have far better technology.

Still it's hardly an answer to, "What are the best flat earth arguments?"
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: besters on September 12, 2019, 08:16:02 AM
No such arguments exist!
Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: besters on September 12, 2019, 01:14:10 PM
You're out of your mind! The earth is not flat, why is it so difficult to comprehend!?

Could you summarize or point me to the best few arguments? I'm looking for just a couple of arguments that will give someone pause, to make them realize that they haven't thought this through.

Thanks.
There are many. And you can easily prove our oceans don't curve with this simple experiment and observation. For best results, use  common sense without indoctrination.

(https://i.imgur.com/0gKMv8S.jpg)

I dont think any round earther has ever suggested that a table is constructed to follow the curvature of the earth
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Shifter on September 12, 2019, 05:19:15 PM
You're out of your mind! The earth is not flat, why is it so difficult to comprehend!?


How is 'it's not flat' a counter argument? Make your case. Also denigrating the person you are debating with only shows the fragility in the conviction of your own beliefs
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: rabinoz on September 12, 2019, 06:53:37 PM
Also denigrating the person you are debating with only shows the fragility in the conviction of your own beliefs
Well, why is "denigrating the person you are debating" your usual tactic?
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: Shifter on September 12, 2019, 06:58:47 PM
Also denigrating the person you are debating with only shows the fragility in the conviction of your own beliefs
Well, why is "denigrating the person you are debating" your usual tactic?

Example please.
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: rvlvr on September 13, 2019, 04:21:40 AM
I've said this before, but what I find extremely curious is the willingness of FE to go along each other no matter how many different models they have. I'd think there'd be more infighting as many of them are in direct conflict, yet not much of that is seen. How can you be in agreement with someone when what they claim does not match what you believe know to be true? You have flat Earths, dual Earth, flat with two poles, flat with ice wall, and I don't know how many others. The whole "scene" is a mess.

And yes: I lived in the US, I'd go see a Space X launch. I don't think a single flatter has been to one. Must be a scary thought to witness one. (Although, of course, it goes to the Pacific or the Atlantic. So maybe scratch that.) In addition the efforts of other nations are brushed aside or bunched together with the great snake that is NASA and, I guess, Masons, and reptilians. All of them are in cahoots; Soviets were, China is, India is faking it too, Japan no doubt, and then there are the European nations.

Their psychosis is what keeps them together, it is the single factor they share.

EDIT: The whole mess reminds me a tad of a time I was a part of a group trying to secure funding for a project. Our presentation was a goddamn mess. And as we could not present a solid vision, we got fuck all. Which I later thought was more than fair, as thinking back I would not have given myself any monies for such a shoddy show. Kinda like FE. All over the place, with people who no one thinks of as being reliable or worth listening to.

You get your act together, present a solid front, I am sure there could be more people who were at least interested. As it stands FE appears to be a thing most common with "people with certain personality traits and cognitive styles"*. It is a bit of a turn-off for many, even if it is an interesting take on things, in a way. And, best of all, in most cases, thankfully harmless.

*https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180925075108.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180925075108.htm)
Title: Re: What are the best flat earth arguments?
Post by: rabinoz on September 13, 2019, 04:39:15 AM
Also denigrating the person you are debating with only shows the fragility in the conviction of your own beliefs
Well, why is "denigrating the person you are debating" your usual tactic?

Example please.
I probably should have said "criticising".