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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: Plat Terra on August 31, 2019, 12:02:35 AM

Title: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 31, 2019, 12:02:35 AM
I never heard of  “Sigma Octantis” until a couple days ago. I find the mystery very interesting considering an infinite Plane and a couple of old maps.  I hear the star is a puzzle that needs to be solved.

I like to think outside the Ball. So, you never know till you ask.  Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents?

((Edit--Well,  after further research about the possibility of Sigma Octantis and how it would work on our Plane Earth, I have to admit, I’m a bit embarrassed because I was duped again by more tales of a Globe theory. They have a history of making up crap and say if you don’t believe this then you’re stupid and want to live in the caveman days. This is much like when they try to pass off a mountain casting a shadow on the bottom side of clouds during a sunset. They say this is 100% proof of sphere earth and you’re an idiot if you don’t believe so. But it is clear it’s a weather phenomenon that happens once a year. They  have been  painting a globe for a long time with all types of tales deceiving the innocent. It’s really a shame.

During my research, I did find some interesting things and changed my meme to reflect the same)) 

(https://i.imgur.com/O8YDdcf.jpg)
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on August 31, 2019, 12:07:20 AM
I never heard of  “Sigma Octantis” until a couple days ago. I find the mystery very interesting considering an infinite Plane and a couple of old maps.  I hear the star is a puzzle that needs to be solved.

I like to think outside the Ball. So, you never know till you ask.  Are there any star consolations that resemble these 5 continents?

(https://i.imgur.com/vDjAjAx.jpg)

You realize that the Gleason map is just a projection of a globe, right? A primer on globe projections:

(https://i.imgur.com/7vhoajb.jpg)
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 31, 2019, 12:15:22 AM
I never heard of  “Sigma Octantis” until a couple days ago. I find the mystery very interesting considering an infinite Plane and a couple of old maps.  I hear the star is a puzzle that needs to be solved.

I like to think outside the Ball. So, you never know till you ask.  Are there any star consolations that resemble these 5 continents?

(https://i.imgur.com/vDjAjAx.jpg)

star "consolation"?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 31, 2019, 12:28:56 AM
I never heard of  “Sigma Octantis” until a couple days ago. I find the mystery very interesting considering an infinite Plane and a couple of old maps.  I hear the star is a puzzle that needs to be solved.

I like to think outside the Ball. So, you never know till you ask.  Are there any star consolations that resemble these 5 continents?

(https://i.imgur.com/O8YDdcf.jpg)


star "consolation"?

It's late  :o.  Thanks!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 31, 2019, 12:59:02 AM
I never heard of  “Sigma Octantis” until a couple days ago. I find the mystery very interesting considering an infinite Plane and a couple of old maps.  I hear the star is a puzzle that needs to be solved.

I like to think outside the Ball. So, you never know till you ask.  Are there any star consolations that resemble these 5 continents?

(https://i.imgur.com/O8YDdcf.jpg)

You realize that the Gleason map is just a projection of a globe, right? A primer on globe projections:

(https://i.imgur.com/7vhoajb.jpg)

NO, and you are wrong again. Most are Flat maps and people are made to think they are projections of a Globe. The Gleason Map has Antarctica surounding waters' edge. Get use to it!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on August 31, 2019, 01:45:12 AM
I never heard of  “Sigma Octantis” until a couple days ago. I find the mystery very interesting considering an infinite Plane and a couple of old maps.  I hear the star is a puzzle that needs to be solved.

I like to think outside the Ball. So, you never know till you ask.  Are there any star consolations that resemble these 5 continents?


You realize that the Gleason map is just a projection of a globe, right? A primer on globe projections:

NO, and you are wrong again. Most are Flat maps and people are made to think they are projections of a Globe. The Gleason Map has Antarctica surounding waters' edge. Get use to it!

Actually no, I'm right. They are all globe projections. Gleason included. Hate to burst your bubble. Well documented as such. As for Gleason's specifically, from his patent request for his map, TIME CHART. No. 497,917. Patented May 23, 1893.

"The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."

https://patents.google.com/patent/US497917A/en

Get used to it.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on August 31, 2019, 02:33:04 AM
I never heard of  “Sigma Octantis” until a couple days ago. I find the mystery very interesting considering an infinite Plane and a couple of old maps.  I hear the star is a puzzle that needs to be solved.
No, just because you "never heard of  'Sigma Octantis' until a couple days ago" does not mean "the star is a puzzle that needs to be solved."
All it means is that you seem ignorant about astronomy too.

Quote from: Plat Terra
I like to think outside the Ball. So, you never know till you ask.  Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents?
Why could that possibly be relevant?
The South Celestial pole and Sigma Octantis are directly overhead of the South Pole and over 53° above the horizon at the southern tip of South America.

Quote from: Plat Terra
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/cso2dbnqrsqsch8/Plat%20Terra%27s%20hoax%20earth%20map.jpg?dl=1)
Wonderful! You take a hoax map and invent a whole new hypothesis about southern stars from it. Have you forgotten this?
Quote
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQfwPMkVf21jNOLIQJvYZGDB9TWTRoe07xoEUQECdvZ7eC2dR5J)
                                                                                           Hawaiian Gazette January 11, 1911
(http://www.jasoncolavito.com/the-1907-ancient-world-map-hoax.html)
As I wrote in a blog post discussing this article, the following article comes to us from the January 11, 1907 edition of the Hawaiian Gazette and alleges to be a map of the world made in Japan more than 1,000 years ago. But as critical readers will notice, the story has more than a few hints of the Zeno Map story. As with that infamous map, this one is also a redrawn modern copy of an allegedly ancient map unseen by anyone. Like the Zeno Map, the original was also allegedly rotten with age, explained by a mysterious ancient letter unseen by anyone else, and it also serves to glorify the geographic areas connected to its “discoverer.” In this case a Japanese resident of Hawaii found a map in Japan that was ignorant of Madagascar, Greenland, and Polynesia but somehow managed to include Hawaii front and center!
 
There’s a pretty good indication that the journalist who wrote the piece knew it was a hoax: He compares it to James De Mille’s 1888 novel Manuscript found in a Copper Cylinder, a satirical tale of an underground world.
Run away and stop foisting more flat earth hoaxes on us!
Just looking at the map should prove it''s not a genuine 1000 year old map!
(http://www.jasoncolavito.com/uploads/3/7/5/9/3759274/japanesemap_3.jpg)
                                            Was This World Map Made Ten Centuries Ago?
1000 years ago none of the West coast of South America, New Zealand nor Australia were known.
But South America was known to be much close to Africa than on that known hoax map!

So, rather obviously the basis of your hypothesis is nothing more than a hoax perpetrated around the start of the last century!

As I've post elsewhere, it's not just Sigma Octantis that you have worry about but all the Southern Constellations.
First there are the Southern Circumpolar Constellations such as the bright Centaurus and the Southern Cross.
Then there are many more that can be seen almost the time from far enough south.

And these constellations are not just visible in those countries but everywhere around the Southern Hemisphere.

Please learn a little of what is already known about astronomy before inventing your own new astronomy!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 31, 2019, 09:34:04 AM
Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents? And how would it relate to Sigma Octantis?

I find this very interesting. What are the chances?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: SpaceCadet on August 31, 2019, 12:31:18 PM
Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents? And how would it relate to Sigma Octantis?

I fing this very interesting. What are the chances?

What's even more interesting is how you ignore verified and easily verifiable evidence for flights of fancy and fantasy because it is what you want to believe.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on August 31, 2019, 01:14:04 PM
Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents? And how would it relate to Sigma Octantis?

I fing this very interesting. What are the chances?

What are the chances of what? That someone took an AE north pole centered globe projection map and drew some blobs around it back in 1907 and sent it into a Hawaiian news paper claiming its origin similar to a popular work of fiction at the time? That's all this "map" is.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 31, 2019, 01:20:01 PM
Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents? And how would it relate to Sigma Octantis?

I fing this very interesting. What are the chances?

What's even more interesting is how you ignore verified and easily verifiable evidence for flights of fancy and fantasy because it is what you want to believe.

Only you can prove to yourself Earth is not a Sphere. I have done this for myself. Now that I have proved Earth's not a sphere but an infinite Plane, I have a new challenge, a new world to figure out. Sigma Octantis is a key to more knowledge and as you will soon see it’s really a blunder for the Globe theory.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on August 31, 2019, 01:41:39 PM
Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents? And how would it relate to Sigma Octantis?

I fing this very interesting. What are the chances?

What's even more interesting is how you ignore verified and easily verifiable evidence for flights of fancy and fantasy because it is what you want to believe.

Only you can prove to yourself Earth is not a Sphere. I have done this for myself. Now that I have proved Earth's not a sphere but an infinite Plane, I have a new challenge, a new world to figure out. Sigma Octantis is a key to more knowledge and as you will soon see it’s really a blunder for the Globe theory.

Sigma Octantis, a star you heard about for the first time a few days ago, is now the key to more of your 'knowledge'? Looking forward to the forthcoming memes chock full of this knowledge you speak of. And if they are anything like the knowledge you've presented so far that you haven't been able to defend, well, then we'll just have to dismiss them like the rest. Godspeed.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: frenat on August 31, 2019, 01:57:59 PM
Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents? And how would it relate to Sigma Octantis?

I fing this very interesting. What are the chances?

What's even more interesting is how you ignore verified and easily verifiable evidence for flights of fancy and fantasy because it is what you want to believe.

Only you can prove to yourself Earth is not a Sphere. I have done this for myself. Now that I have proved Earth's not a sphere but an infinite Plane, I have a new challenge, a new world to figure out. Sigma Octantis is a key to more knowledge and as you will soon see it’s really a blunder for the Globe theory.

You've proven nothing except you don't understand the subject you argue against. EVERY ONE of your arguments has been shot down.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: EvolvedMantisShrimp on August 31, 2019, 02:44:49 PM
Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents? And how would it relate to Sigma Octantis?

I fing this very interesting. What are the chances?

What's even more interesting is how you ignore verified and easily verifiable evidence for flights of fancy and fantasy because it is what you want to believe.

Only you can prove to yourself Earth is not a Sphere. I have done this for myself. Now that I have proved Earth's not a sphere but an infinite Plane, I have a new challenge, a new world to figure out. Sigma Octantis is a key to more knowledge and as you will soon see it’s really a blunder for the Globe theory.

There's only one thing to do then:

Follow the star as far as it leads.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on August 31, 2019, 02:55:54 PM
I never heard of  “Sigma Octantis” until a couple days ago.

Shocking.[/sarcasm] 

Plat, the fact that a proponent of the Earth being flat is unaware of a southern constellation is not surprising.  All southern constellations are problematic for the Gleason map.  The further south you go, the more paradoxical the issue becomes.  I selected Sigma Octantis because the paradox is the most severe for that particular celestial object.

I find the mystery very interesting considering an infinite Plane and a couple of old maps.  I hear the star is a puzzle that needs to be solved.

As I've pointed out before, it isn't a puzzle, it is a paradox.  If you assert the world is flat, with the north pole at its center, then the location of Sigma Octantis is paradoxical; it must necessarily be in multiple locations at the same time.  Because we don't see dozens of southern polar stars littering the night sky, we know that the Gleason map must be incorrect.

I like to think outside the Ball. So, you never know till you ask.  Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents?

[Insert completely irrelevant crap here]

This has nothing to do with the Southern Cross.  Let's try this another way:

(https://www.timeanddate.com/scripts/sunmap.php?iso=20190831T2141)

This is the same day/night terminator map I presented on your other thread.  This particular projection of planet Earth has the south pole represented as the entire bottom edge of the image.  If I asserted this is what the flat Earth looks like, the problem with Sigma Octantis remains; because it is a polar star (actually a constellation) it cannot be in one location, like it is in reality, but would need to be visible at every point along the bottom edge of the image.  We know this is not the case in reality, so we know that this projection of planet Earth must not be its shape in reality.

Substitute the Gleason map and now the south pole is represented by the entire circumference of the disk.  Sigma Octantis must now be visible at every point around the disk, which we know isn't the case in the real world.  If you substitute the Gleason map with an infinite plane, the problem doesn't go away.  In fact, it enhances the problem because there is no south pole at that point.  If the Earth is an infinite plane, it doesn't matter where on the plane we are; it is infinite so we are always surrounded by the same amount of landmass (an infinite amount) so cardinal directions are only relevant to the center of the liveable area on the plane.  That would be the north pole.  However, in the real world navigation works (and has worked for centuries) using either pole as a point of reference.  The south pole really exists as does the Southern Cross.  It is a fixed constellation in the night sky and is not found anywhere other than over the south pole. 
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on August 31, 2019, 03:31:50 PM
Only you can prove to yourself Earth is not a Sphere. I have done this for myself.
No, you have not proven that the "Earth is not a Sphere".

All you've proven is that you are incapable of understanding or accepting the abundant evidence for the Globe that has accumulated over 2000 years of more.

Quote from: Plat Terra
Now that I have proved Earth's not a sphere but an infinite Plane
Since you have not "proved Earth's not a sphere" and certainly not proven that it is "infinite Plane" the rest of this post is meaningless!

Quote from: Plat Terra
I have a new challenge, a new world to figure out.
Irrelevant until you finally prove that the "Earth is not a Sphere" and that it is an "infinite Plane".

Quote from: Plat Terra
Sigma Octantis is a key to more knowledge and as you will soon see
Hardly!

Quote from: Plat Terra
it’s really a blunder for the Globe theory.
Not in the slightest! Sigma Octantis is merely a tiny 5.47 magnitude star close to the one South Celestial Pole that is directly the Geographic South Pole.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTqKiZxXUAEMEPH.jpg)

Sigma Octantis is near the centre of this frame from the video of star trails fro both the Northern and Southerm Hemispheres:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/mdz3y4lnp581njt/Southern%20Star%20Trails.jpg?dl=1)
Video of Northern vs Southern Hemisphere Startrail & Timelapse 2015 by jungynz (https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=UNiNJC3UHIo)

And not the slightest problem for the "Globe theory".
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: SpaceCadet on August 31, 2019, 04:16:58 PM
Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents? And how would it relate to Sigma Octantis?

I fing this very interesting. What are the chances?

What's even more interesting is how you ignore verified and easily verifiable evidence for flights of fancy and fantasy because it is what you want to believe.

Only you can prove to yourself Earth is not a Sphere. I have done this for myself. Now that I have proved Earth's not a sphere but an infinite Plane, I have a new challenge, a new world to figure out. Sigma Octantis is a key to more knowledge and as you will soon see it’s really a blunder for the Globe theory.

Explain this blunder that you speak of.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 31, 2019, 06:04:00 PM
In the following video a Flat Earth claims someone is faking southern star trails with northers trails. The location is Sydney. What are your thoughts? Is he right?

He also has a video showing Sigma Octantis to be moving? Hmm

Does anyone he have any videos of star trails down south?

Flat Earth: Sigma Octantis, Why You So Shifty? (Southern Stars)


Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 31, 2019, 06:09:48 PM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real? Are there any from South America or New Zealand you trust to be real?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: markjo on August 31, 2019, 06:15:24 PM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real? Are there any from South America or New Zealand you trust to be real?
How can you trust any evidence that contradicts your worldview?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on August 31, 2019, 06:37:16 PM
In the following video a Flat Earth claims someone is faking southern star trails with northers trails. The location is Sydney. What are your thoughts? Is he right?

He also has a video showing Sigma Octantis to be moving? Hmm

Does anyone he have any videos of star trails down south?

Flat Earth: Sigma Octantis, Why You So Shifty? (Southern Stars)



In the video, the first static shot shown of the Opera house with trails behind it is by a photag named Charles Summer. His image description is:

"Star Trails over the Sydney Opera House
Southern Hemisphere star trails stacked over a night image of the Sydney Opera House. The stars seem to rotate around Sigma Octantis."

When he states, "stacked over a night image of the Sydney Opera House" makes me think he photoshopped it. But his photo isn't meant for an FE v RE debate. He's just a photag making pretty compositions. Nothing nefarious. If I'm right about the photoshopping and someone else is using it for some sort of FE v RE debate, then yeah, that's a problem.

As for Sigma Octantis moving, we've been over this, it does, slightly. It makes a small circle. But it's the closest thing we have to a south pole star. Polaris is brighter and almost stationary.

The rest of the video is just Globebusters babbling on about this and that trying to get likes, subs, and views and keep people entertained for hours. No substance.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on August 31, 2019, 06:47:05 PM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real? Are there any from South America or New Zealand you trust to be real?
I did say all of them until I saw that faked one that you posted to bolster up your weak case against the Globe!

Silly me to trust YOU! Never again! Look, JackBlack and I live in Australia and know what they should look like and you don't!

And yes, there are Southern Star trail videos from South America or New Zealand that I trust to be real.

But If you want star trails from South America or New Zealand go look for them yourself. I couldn't care less what you might trust!

By the way that "Gleason's Map" is nothing more than a North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the GLOBE!
It is not and can never be a "flat earth map" because:
If you disagree, the onus is on ONUS is on you to prove your case if you ever hope the "RE Community".

<< Added bit about fraudulent videos! >>
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 31, 2019, 10:25:43 PM
In the following video a Flat Earth claims someone is faking southern star trails with northers trails. The location is Sydney. What are your thoughts? Is he right?

He also has a video showing Sigma Octantis to be moving? Hmm

Does anyone he have any videos of star trails down south?

Flat Earth: Sigma Octantis, Why You So Shifty? (Southern Stars)



Did the makers of this video travel to the southern hemisphere and filmed the star trails themselves? Because that would be the reasonable thing to do if they wanted to prove anything.

Millions of people live in the southern hemisphere, people have eyes and can look at the sky. The southern celestial pole is real, get used to it.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: JackBlack on September 01, 2019, 12:09:51 AM
It isn't just Sigma Octantis, it is all the stars in the south, even the sun during the southern summer.
They all appear to circle a point due south.
You can't get that by just adding in 5 lighthouses.
You would need entire sets of stars, and then you need to address why no one has ever found a point where there are 2 such regions of stars observable.

Also, with how you have drawn it, it wouldn't always be due south.

So still no FE solution.

NO, and you are wrong again. Most are Flat maps and people are made to think they are projections of a Globe. The Gleason Map has Antarctica surounding waters' edge. Get use to it!
There are basically no flat maps.
Instead there are plenty of projections of the globe which people present as a flat map.

The Gleason projection was even labelled as such.

Only you can prove to yourself Earth is not a Sphere.
Sure, it isn't a perfect sphere, but no sane person thinks that.
I have proven to myself beyond any sane doubt that Earth is round.

It seems no one is capable of proving Earth isn't roughly spherical, most likely because it is roughly spherical.

In the following video a Flat Earth claims someone is faking southern star trails with northers trails. The location is Sydney. What are your thoughts? Is he right?
I wouldn't be surprised if a FE decided to fake it so they could expose it as a fake.
But I am yet to see anyone do that with the very real and observed star trails.
If they are videos, you can see what the stars are and tell they aren't the northern stars.
You can also do that to some extent with a picture, but it is much harder.

What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real?
If you want to play that game, go and observe them yourself.
In fact, if you aren't too far north, then go and get a camera with a very wide angle lens (or fish eye lens), and set it up pointing due south (geographic, not magnetic) pointing an angle downwards equal to your latitude (e.g. if you are 30 degrees north it should have an angle of dip of 30 degrees). Then take a timelapse. You will observe the same star trails.
You don't need to be in the south to observe the southern star trails. You just need to be south of the equator to observe the south celestial pole and have the stars circle below it.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 01, 2019, 04:46:55 AM
In the following video a Flat Earth claims someone is faking southern star trails with northers trails. The location is Sydney. What are your thoughts? Is he right?

He also has a video showing Sigma Octantis to be moving? Hmm
You might very well say, "Hmm", if you expect us to fall for trickery!
You dare to post a video that uses a "Composite Photo" to prove your deception!

Quote from: Plat Terra
Does anyone he have any videos of star trails down south?

Flat Earth: Sigma Octantis, Why You So Shifty? (Southern Stars)
Sigma Octantis is "So Shifty" because (1) it is 1° from the South Celestial Pole and (2) You use a video that uses "CGI"!

Quote from: Plat Terra

Have you forgotten what I said about Sigma Octantis? Read this again!
Polaris is only about 0.73° from the North Celestial Pole and Sigma Octantis is about 1° from the South Celestial Pole.
So this is exactly what we would expect!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/kycwa1hseipjkcl/Plat%20Terra%20-%20Sigma%20Octantis%20Rotating%20about%20South%20Celestial%20Pole.jpg?dl=1)
Plat Terra - Sigma Octantis Rotating about South Celestial Pole
So, not the slightest problem for the Globe!

Then you show a video of the South Celestial Pole seeming to be in the wrong direction over the Sydney Opera House as in this frame:

From the video that YOU posted:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/fxnumoxzomkiz4g/Plat%20Terra%20-%20Composite%20Southern%20Star%20Trails%20over%20Opera%20House.jpg?dl=1)
Plat Terra's - Composite Southern Star Trails over Opera House
          What appears to be the source of the image used:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/64dw7vt4k3z2pvb/Charles%20G%20Summers%20Jr%2C%20Star%20Trails%20over%20the%20Sydney%20Opera%20House.png?dl=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/j6cpnedlkh4nckl/Charles%20G%20Summers%20Jr%2C%20Star%20Trails%20over%20the%20Sydney%20Opera%20House%20%28text%29.jpg?dl=1)
Underneath the photo it explicitly says a Composite Photo!

Plat Terra, when will deception end? That video is a known Composite of Southern Star Trails over Opera House! That second image in from: WildImages (http://www.flickriver.com/photos/wild_images/15283220928/)

So you post a "fake video" in a low attempt to prove your pathetic case!

Plat Terra you have totally lost all credibility. Run away and hide you face!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on September 01, 2019, 04:50:21 AM
Plat Terra is Shifter and I claim my $10.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 01, 2019, 04:58:39 AM
Plat Terra is Shifter and I claim my $10.
Surely Shifter isn't as deceptive as the Flat Terror has shown himself to be!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Themightykabool on September 01, 2019, 06:28:13 AM
Are there any star constellations that resemble these 5 continents? And how would it relate to Sigma Octantis?

I fing this very interesting. What are the chances?

What's even more interesting is how you ignore verified and easily verifiable evidence for flights of fancy and fantasy because it is what you want to believe.

Only you can prove to yourself Earth is not a Sphere. I have done this for myself. Now that I have proved Earth's not a sphere but an infinite Plane, I have a new challenge, a new world to figure out. Sigma Octantis is a key to more knowledge and as you will soon see it’s really a blunder for the Globe theory.

Proved infinite?
Haha
How did you go about doing that?
I mean aside from proving it by travelling an inf disrance in one direction.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on September 01, 2019, 06:38:36 AM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real?

Easy.

Southern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating clockwise.

Northern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating counter-clockwise.

Explain that with your flat earth.


I couldn't careless what they superimpose on the video.  If the star trail rotates counter-clockwise it's a video of northern stars.  If the star trail rotates clockwise it's a video of southern stars.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Themightykabool on September 01, 2019, 06:45:45 AM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real?

Easy.

Southern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating clockwise.

Northern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating counter-clockwise.

Explain that with your flat earth.


I couldn't careless what they superimpose on the video.  If the star trail rotates counter-clockwise it's a video of northern stars.  If the star trail rotates clockwise it's a video of southern stars.

You dont need to trust any videos.
Go outside.
Go on vacation to S argentina.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on September 01, 2019, 07:03:19 AM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real?

Easy.

Southern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating clockwise.

Northern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating counter-clockwise.

Explain that with your flat earth.


I couldn't careless what they superimpose on the video.  If the star trail rotates counter-clockwise it's a video of northern stars.  If the star trail rotates clockwise it's a video of southern stars.

You dont need to trust any videos.
Go outside.
Go on vacation to S argentina.

You're right you don't need to trust any videos.   But you can't see a star trail without a video.  You can watch the stars move during the night but you aren't going to see the trail.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: EvolvedMantisShrimp on September 01, 2019, 08:35:01 AM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real?

Easy.

Southern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating clockwise.

Northern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating counter-clockwise.

Explain that with your flat earth.


I couldn't careless what they superimpose on the video.  If the star trail rotates counter-clockwise it's a video of northern stars.  If the star trail rotates clockwise it's a video of southern stars.

You dont need to trust any videos.
Go outside.
Go on vacation to S argentina.

You're right you don't need to trust any videos.   But you can't see a star trail without a video.  You can watch the stars move during the night but you aren't going to see the trail.

If you drink enough cheap wine, you can probably see star trails.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 01, 2019, 09:18:23 AM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real?

Easy.

Southern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating clockwise.

Northern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating counter-clockwise.

Explain that with your flat earth.


If there are two people standing back to back and one is looking north and the other south, and a star passes from east to west in front of both of them, tell me which star passed west to east?

Do you now understand how lame your argument is? And do you understand how long members in the Globe community have used this argument as actual proof earth is a sphere? Did you know you will continue to use the same lame assed argument? Why?

When you use this argument again please let them also know there are two universes visible. One above the north pole and one above the south pole and they rotate in the opposite direction. Then provide detailed information for a north and south universe.

BTW, the results are the same on a Flat Earth. How do you explan that with your Globe Earth?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 01, 2019, 09:33:21 AM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real?

Easy.

Southern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating clockwise.

Northern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating counter-clockwise.

Explain that with your flat earth.


I couldn't careless what they superimpose on the video.  If the star trail rotates counter-clockwise it's a video of northern stars.  If the star trail rotates clockwise it's a video of southern stars.

You dont need to trust any videos.
Go outside.
Go on vacation to S argentina.

You're right you don't need to trust any videos.   But you can't see a star trail without a video.  You can watch the stars move during the night but you aren't going to see the trail.

If you drink enough cheap wine, you can probably see star trails.

Yes and if you drink enough cheap wine you will be able to see the curve and feel Earth's movement too.

(https://i.imgur.com/RGmw2ey.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/iUkVeef.gif)
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Themightykabool on September 01, 2019, 10:10:14 AM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real?

Easy.

Southern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating clockwise.

Northern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating counter-clockwise.

Explain that with your flat earth.


If there are two people standing back to back and one is looking north and the other south, and a star passes from east to west in front of both of them, tell me which star passed west to east?

Do you now understand how lame your argument is? And do you understand how long members in the Globe community have used this argument as actual proof earth is a sphere? Did you know you will continue to use the same lame assed argument? Why?

When you use this argument again please let them also know there are two universes visible. One above the north pole and one above the south pole and they rotate in the opposite direction. Then provide detailed information for a north and south universe.

BTW, the results are the same on a Flat Earth. How do you explan that with your Globe Earth?


Aaaaahhaa

Go to walmart and buy a clear clock (clear from back side).
Youre refuting how turning works now?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 01, 2019, 12:11:00 PM
Well,  after further research about the possibility of Sigma Octantis and how it would work on our Plane Earth, I have to admit, I’m a bit embarrassed because I was duped again by more tales of a Globe theory. They have a history of making up crap and say if you don’t believe this then you’re stupid and want to live in the caveman days. This is much like when they try to pass off a mountain casting a shadow on the bottom side of clouds during a sunset. They say this is 100% proof of sphere earth and you’re an idiot if you don’t believe so. But it is clear it’s a weather phenomenon that happens once a year. They have been painting a globe for a long time with all types of tales deceiving the innocent. It’s really a shame.

During my research, I did find some interesting things and changed my meme to reflect the same.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Themightykabool on September 01, 2019, 12:12:51 PM
Is it clear that turning east is still turning east regardless of starting from south or north?

Or how about clockwise vs ccw?
You figure that out yet?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: kopfverderber on September 01, 2019, 12:24:37 PM
Well,  after further research about the possibility Sigma Octantis and how it would work on our Plane Earth, I have to admit, I’m a bit embarrassed because I was duped again by more tales of a Globe theory. They have a history of making up crap and say if you don’t believe this then you’re stupid and want to live in the caveman days. This is much like when they try to pass off a mountain casting a shadow on the bottom side of clouds during a sunset. They say this is 100% proof of sphere earth and you’re an idiot if you don’t believe so. But it is clear it’s a weather phenomenon that happens once a year. They have been painting a globe for a long time with all types of tales deceiving the innocent. It’s really a shame.

During my research, I did find some interesting things and changed my meme to reflect the same.

That's right , don't let evidence and facts get in the way of your beliefs.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: JackBlack on September 01, 2019, 02:16:30 PM
If there are two people standing back to back and one is looking north and the other south, and a star passes from east to west in front of both of them, tell me which star passed west to east?
Do you now understand how lame your argument is?
You are the one who seems to be presenting a lame argument, completely strawmanning the RE argument and ignoring reality and yet again ignoring the massive problem which a FE cannot solve.

Try having 2 people looking at a giant clock above them, one facing towards the centre and one facing away from the centre.
Tell me, which saw the clock appear to rotate counter-clockwise?
No one.

Now go get 2 transparent clocks, so you can see through them.
Have them put on 2 walls, with both clocks facing to the north (so one clock faces the wall).
Now, have our 2 people back to back again.
One will see the clock rotating clockwise, while the others sees it rotating counter clockwise (because he is looking at the back).

Of if you want a better comparison to the globe, have 2 people sit on a merry go round, with a transparent floor. Have objects above and below them (not on the merry go round). Now have one look down and the other look up. Again, they will see objects appear to move with different rotation.

When you use this argument again please let them also know there are two universes visible.
If you wish to claim such garbage you can back it up.
Until then I will continue with the very 1 universe which is observed. This rotation in the opposite direction is entirely due to how you view rotation.
2 people viewing a rotating object from different sides of a plane passing perpendicular to the axis of rotation will see it rotate in opposite directions.

For a RE, that is what you expect as someone looking north is looking in the opposite direction to someone looking south. But for a FE, they are both looking up at the same sky and thus should see it rotate the same.

The other impossibility for a FE is that the north and south celestial pole are always 180 degrees apart, yet you can circle them.
This requires 2 straight lines to intersect in some finite distance, impossible for a flat Earth.

Well,  after further research about the possibility of Sigma Octantis and how it would work on our Plane Earth, I have to admit, I’m a bit embarrassed because I was duped again by more tales of a Globe theory.
You mean now that you realise your pathetic arguments to try and have it work on a FE fail, you now need to dismiss it all as fake as it clearly shows Earth is not flat.

So I take it that means you admit the south celestial pole is an impossibility for a FE and thus its existence and location shows that Earth is not flat?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 01, 2019, 06:30:01 PM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real?

Easy.

Southern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating clockwise.

Northern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating counter-clockwise.

Explain that with your flat earth.


If there are two people standing back to back and one is looking north and the other south, and a star passes from east to west in front of both of them, tell me which star passed west to east?
Exactly!

The one looking north sees the stars appearing to rotate anti-clockwise about a single point, the North Celestial Pole but
the one looking south sees the stars appearing to rotate clockwise about another single point, the South Celestial Pole.

Where on your flat earth model are those two separate points?

Quote from: Plat Terra
BTW, the results are the same on a Flat Earth.
The are not the same on your Flat Earth model.
There is no way you can have those two, and only two, distinct points about which the stars appear to rotate.

You previously came up with a separate Sigma Octantis for each viewing direction but that was shown to be ridiculous!

Quote from: Plat Terra
How do you explan that with your Globe Earth?
I don't have to because the results are NOT the same on the Globe anf a Flat Earth, no way!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 02, 2019, 11:01:30 AM
I find it interesting that when these two maps are combined and, hypothetically, if you wanted to reach the closest landmass to the outside of the ice boundary by way of land as much as possible, you would choose it by longitude. And it’s interesting the continents outside form the Southern Cross.

How about you?


(https://i.imgur.com/O8YDdcf.jpg)
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on September 02, 2019, 11:16:56 AM
I find it interesting that when these two maps are combined and, hypothetically, if you wanted to reach the closest landmass to the outside of the ice boundary by way of land as much as possible, you would choose it by longitude. And it’s interesting the continents outside form the Southern Cross.

How about you?

(https://i.imgur.com/O8YDdcf.jpg)

So there are 5 Southern Crosses?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: JackBlack on September 02, 2019, 02:28:06 PM
I find it interesting that when these two maps are combined and, hypothetically, if you wanted to reach the closest landmass to the outside of the ice boundary by way of land as much as possible, you would choose it by longitude. And it’s interesting the continents outside form the Southern Cross.
I find it more interesting that you have been presented with a massive problem for your flat fantasy and instead of even attempting to address it you just repeatedly dodge it.
These continents aren't making up the southern cross.
With all the bits of land out there it isn't surprising that you can make it go to another, especially when you just rotate the inner map.
With all the possibilities it isn't surprising at all.

Now care to explain how the south celestial pole works?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 02, 2019, 07:40:22 PM
I find it interesting that when these two maps are combined and, hypothetically, if you wanted to reach the closest landmass to the outside of the ice boundary by way of land as much as possible, you would choose it by longitude. And it’s interesting the continents outside form the Southern Cross.
How about you?
So you take a map that states on it that it is a Projection, obviously of the Globe and place in then centre of a known "Hoax Map" fabricated around the beginning of the 20th century and expect it to mean something?

You do have a vivid imagination, Mr Plat Terra. I prefer to the history of the Globe earth as it is and not from your dreams!

Quote from: Plat Terra
(https://i.imgur.com/O8YDdcf.jpg)
Had you forgotten this post so soon?

Wonderful! You take a hoax map and invent a whole new hypothesis about southern stars from it. Have you forgotten this?
Quote
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQfwPMkVf21jNOLIQJvYZGDB9TWTRoe07xoEUQECdvZ7eC2dR5J)
                           Hawaiian Gazette January 11, 1911
(http://www.jasoncolavito.com/the-1907-ancient-world-map-hoax.html)
As I wrote in a blog post discussing this article, the following article comes to us from the January 11, 1907 edition of the Hawaiian Gazette and alleges to be a map of the world made in Japan more than 1,000 years ago. But as critical readers will notice, the story has more than a few hints of the Zeno Map story. As with that infamous map, this one is also a redrawn modern copy of an allegedly ancient map unseen by anyone. Like the Zeno Map, the original was also allegedly rotten with age, explained by a mysterious ancient letter unseen by anyone else, and it also serves to glorify the geographic areas connected to its “discoverer.” In this case a Japanese resident of Hawaii found a map in Japan that was ignorant of Madagascar, Greenland, and Polynesia but somehow managed to include Hawaii front and center!
 
There’s a pretty good indication that the journalist who wrote the piece knew it was a hoax: He compares it to James De Mille’s 1888 novel Manuscript found in a Copper Cylinder, a satirical tale of an underground world.
Run away and stop foisting more flat earth hoaxes on us!
Just looking at the map should prove it''s not a genuine 1000 year old map!
(http://www.jasoncolavito.com/uploads/3/7/5/9/3759274/japanesemap_3.jpg)
                                    Was This World Map Made Ten Centuries Ago?
1000 years ago none of the West coast of South America, New Zealand nor Australia were known.
But South America was known to be much closer to Africa than on that known hoax map!

So, rather obviously the basis of your hypothesis is nothing more than a hoax perpetrated around the start of the last century!

As I've post elsewhere, it's not just Sigma Octantis that you have worry about but all the Southern Constellations.
First there are the Southern Circumpolar Constellations such as the bright Centaurus and the Southern Cross.
Then there are many more that can be seen almost the time from far enough south.

And these constellations are not just visible in those countries but everywhere around the Southern Hemisphere.

Please learn a little of what is already known about astronomy before inventing your own new astronomy!

Are you totally incapable of learning anything new?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: kopfverderber on September 03, 2019, 01:38:56 AM
I find it interesting that when these two maps are combined and, hypothetically, if you wanted to reach the closest landmass to the outside of the ice boundary by way of land as much as possible, you would choose it by longitude. And it’s interesting the continents outside form the Southern Cross.

How about you?

I find more interesting how equatorial mounts work. You align the mount's polar axis with the earth's rotation axis, so that the mount rotates to compensate earth's rotation. The scope stays fixed to the object you want to make pictures of, such as constellations, planets or the moon.

Equatorial mounts eliminate field rotation and make all those beautiful long exposure pictures possible.

Many amateur astronomers in the southern hemisphere use Sigma Octantis to align their equatorial mounts with the earth's rotation axis... and it works.

(http://www.astronomysource.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Atlas_3-475x465.jpg)
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on September 03, 2019, 07:01:02 AM
What Southern Star trails (videos) can I trust are real?

Easy.

Southern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating clockwise.

Northern Star Trail videos will have stars rotating counter-clockwise.

Explain that with your flat earth.


I couldn't careless what they superimpose on the video.  If the star trail rotates counter-clockwise it's a video of northern stars.  If the star trail rotates clockwise it's a video of southern stars.

You dont need to trust any videos.
Go outside.
Go on vacation to S argentina.

You're right you don't need to trust any videos.   But you can't see a star trail without a video.  You can watch the stars move during the night but you aren't going to see the trail.

If you drink enough cheap wine, you can probably see star trails.
What happens after expensive wine?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on September 03, 2019, 05:21:23 PM
Well,  after further research about the possibility of Sigma Octantis and how it would work on our Plane Earth, I have to admit, I’m a bit embarrassed because I was duped again by more tales of a Globe theory.

What exactly are you claiming was duplicitous?  And what sort of "research" did you perform?

They have a history of making up crap and say if you don’t believe this then you’re stupid and want to live in the caveman days.

No, you keep getting called out on your bullshit because its bullshit.  You make claim after baseless claim, dodge or ignore questions that challenge your worldview, and then have the open academic dishonesty to play the victim; that we are putting you down for not agreeing.  The reality remains that you are failing to defend your argument due to your own ignorance of the topics involved.  Nearly everyone here has attempted to break this paradox down for you and your solution has been to avoid, ignore, and then play the victim.

This is much like when they try to pass off a mountain casting a shadow on the bottom side of clouds during a sunset.

There is photographic evidence of this, it does make the Earth being flat a difficult theory to defend.  If the sun and moon dance about on a parallel plane, then there should never be an instance where light is seen coming from underneath the clouds.  The fact you can't reconcile this is not evidence of everyone else being mean or deceptive, it is evidence that you cannot apply even a modicum of critical thinking to this issue.

They say this is 100% proof of sphere earth and you’re an idiot if you don’t believe so.

What can be clearly concluded, as I've stated to you before, is that it is 100% proof that the world is not flat.

But it is clear it’s a weather phenomenon that happens once a year. They have been painting a globe for a long time with all types of tales deceiving the innocent.

WTF are you on about now?

It’s really a shame.

You've summed up the whole FE debate very succinctly.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 06:10:33 PM
Well,  after further research about the possibility of Sigma Octantis and how it would work on our Plane Earth, I have to admit, I’m a bit embarrassed because I was duped again by more tales of a Globe theory.

What exactly are you claiming was duplicitous?  And what sort of "research" did you perform?

They have a history of making up crap and say if you don’t believe this then you’re stupid and want to live in the caveman days.

No, you keep getting called out on your bullshit because its bullshit.  You make claim after baseless claim, dodge or ignore questions that challenge your worldview, and then have the open academic dishonesty to play the victim; that we are putting you down for not agreeing.  The reality remains that you are failing to defend your argument due to your own ignorance of the topics involved.  Nearly everyone here has attempted to break this paradox down for you and your solution has been to avoid, ignore, and then play the victim.

This is much like when they try to pass off a mountain casting a shadow on the bottom side of clouds during a sunset.

There is photographic evidence of this, it does make the Earth being flat a difficult theory to defend.  If the sun and moon dance about on a parallel plane, then there should never be an instance where light is seen coming from underneath the clouds.  The fact you can't reconcile this is not evidence of everyone else being mean or deceptive, it is evidence that you cannot apply even a modicum of critical thinking to this issue.

They say this is 100% proof of sphere earth and you’re an idiot if you don’t believe so.

What can be clearly concluded, as I've stated to you before, is that it is 100% proof that the world is not flat.

But it is clear it’s a weather phenomenon that happens once a year. They have been painting a globe for a long time with all types of tales deceiving the innocent.

WTF are you on about now?

It’s really a shame.

You've summed up the whole FE debate very succinctly.

There is nothing to defend. You have only claims. You let us know when it's been documented (with video and witnesses) that people on the phone at both places have seen the star at the same time due south from Cape horn and Cape hope.  And multiple times, because true science is repeatable. And then do it with Australia and cape hope in the same manner. Until then it’s theatrical fantasy you think is real, and don’t have a real argument.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: narcberry on September 03, 2019, 06:12:19 PM
Sounds like psuedo-science to me
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on September 03, 2019, 06:21:01 PM
There is nothing to defend. You have only claims. You let us know when it's been documented (with video and witnesses) that people on the phone at both places have seen the star at the same time due south from Cape horn and Cape hope.

You're an idiot.  The Southern Cross is to the south.  Always. Has. Been.  The reason this debate is pointless falls completely on your ignorance of both the written word and basic logic.  You are the party claiming the Earth is flat, the burden of proof is your responsibility.

I've presented the paradox and you lack the simple mental capacity to visualize the problem; this is your problem, not mine.  Your inability to conceptualize has led you to this dead end of a hypothesis.  Good luck in life pal.

And multiple times, because true science is repeatable. And then do it with Australia and cape hope in the same manner. Until then it’s theatrical fantasy you think is real, and don’t have a real argument.

As has been pointed out to you before, when presented with a problem you cannot reconcile, you ignore, avoid, or claim the victim.  This is no different.  Own your position and deal with the problem or acknowledge your theory is flawed.  Otherwise, all you are doing is coming off like a complete moron. 
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 06:37:56 PM
There is nothing to defend. You have only claims. You let us know when it's been documented (with video and witnesses) that people on the phone at both places have seen the star at the same time due south from Cape horn and Cape hope.

You're an idiot.  The Southern Cross is to the south.  Always. Has. Been.  The reason this debate is pointless falls completely on your ignorance of both the written word and basic logic.  You are the party claiming the Earth is flat, the burden of proof is your responsibility.

I've presented the paradox and you lack the simple mental capacity to visualize the problem; this is your problem, not mine.  Your inability to conceptualize has led you to this dead end of a hypothesis.  Good luck in life pal.

And multiple times, because true science is repeatable. And then do it with Australia and cape hope in the same manner. Until then it’s theatrical fantasy you think is real, and don’t have a real argument.

As has been pointed out to you before, when presented with a problem you cannot reconcile, you ignore, avoid, or claim the victim.  This is no different.  Own your position and deal with the problem or acknowledge your theory is flawed.  Otherwise, all you are doing is coming off like a complete moron.

Explain why southern star trails are not as narrow (tunnel effect) as norther star trails.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 06:38:10 PM
There is nothing to defend. You have only claims. You let us know when it's been documented (with video and witnesses) that people on the phone at both places have seen the star at the same time due south from Cape horn and Cape hope.  And multiple times, because true science is repeatable. And then do it with Australia and cape hope in the same manner. Until then it’s theatrical fantasy you think is real, and don’t have a real argument.
We don't have to prove anything! You are challenging what has been known for centuries so you must provide proof!

You have never presented any contrary evidence!

So, since you have nothing to present other than pure guesswork,  a known hoax map and a stated composite photo, I'll stick to what I can see with my own eyes.

Bye bye, come back when you have real, not fake evidence.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 06:40:13 PM
Explain why southern star trails are not as narrow (tunnel effect) as norther star trails.
There's nothing to explain! If you think that "southern star trails are not as narrow (tunnel effect) as northern star trails" prove it!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on September 03, 2019, 06:41:06 PM
Explain why southern star trails are not as narrow (tunnel effect) as norther star trails.

I usually don't answer questions with questions but I need to know why you feel that's significant.  If you can tell me why that feature is important to your position, I'll do my best to answer your question.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 06:45:41 PM
Explain why southern star trails are not as narrow (tunnel effect) as norther star trails.

I usually don't answer questions with questions but I need to know why you feel that's significant.  If you can tell me why that feature is important to your position, I'll do my best to answer your question.

 I have detailed answers to you.  Answer the question.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on September 03, 2019, 06:50:56 PM
I have detailed answers to you.  Answer the question.

Plat, I'm asking because I don't understand how the presentation of a star-trail is of any importance to their existence.  Without knowing what equipment was used to record the video in question, I can't give you a straightforward answer.  The aperture of the camera and size of the lens all determine how much light can be pulled in during the recording which can vary the results greatly.  After watching the video in question, I would say the difference is probably due to the equipment.

So, why does that matter?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 07:12:33 PM
I have detailed answers to you.  Answer the question.

Plat, I'm asking because I don't understand how the presentation of a star-trail is of any importance to their existence.  Without knowing what equipment was used to record the video in question, I can't give you a straightforward answer.  The aperture of the camera and size of the lens all determine how much light can be pulled in during the recording which can vary the results greatly.  After watching the video in question, I would say the difference is probably due to the equipment.

So, why does that matter?

General and simple observation of all trails shows all southern stars trails are in fact not as not as narrow as the north?  Why?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 07:16:11 PM
Explain why southern star trails are not as narrow (tunnel effect) as norther star trails.

I usually don't answer questions with questions but I need to know why you feel that's significant.  If you can tell me why that feature is important to your position, I'll do my best to answer your question.

 I have detailed answers to you.  Answer the question.
Before anyone can answer
          "Explain why southern star trails are not as narrow (tunnel effect) as norther star trails"
YOU must prove that "southern star trails are not as narrow (tunnel effect) as norther star trails"!

We're waiting for your proof!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 07:18:52 PM
General and simple observation of all trails shows all southern stars trails are in fact not as not as narrow as the north?  Why?
Your empty unsupported words are not good enough! Show photos or other evidence demonstrating your assertion.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on September 03, 2019, 07:29:31 PM
I have detailed answers to you.  Answer the question.

Plat, I'm asking because I don't understand how the presentation of a star-trail is of any importance to their existence.  Without knowing what equipment was used to record the video in question, I can't give you a straightforward answer.  The aperture of the camera and size of the lens all determine how much light can be pulled in during the recording which can vary the results greatly.  After watching the video in question, I would say the difference is probably due to the equipment.

So, why does that matter?

General and simple observation of all trails shows all southern stars trails are in fact not as not as narrow as the north?  Why?

I'm not even sure what you mean by "narrow". And your general and simple observation means the general and simple observation of the images that you googled, right?
In any case, the way to create a star trail photograph is with a long exposure. Depending upon the lens used, the Fstop and duration of exposure, the trails could be thick, thin, narrow, wide, bright, dim, broken, or like a stream.

What's your point?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 07:30:37 PM
General and simple observation of all trails shows all southern stars trails are in fact not as not as narrow as the north?  Why?
Your empty unsupported words are not good enough! Show photos or other evidence demonstrating your assertion.

What are you and he afraid of? Gumwars doesnt want to answer because of a why? His words below.

The issue is I usually don't answer questions with questions but I need to know why you feel that's significant.

He knows they are but is afaid of the question
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on September 03, 2019, 07:36:13 PM
General and simple observation of all trails shows all southern stars trails are in fact not as not as narrow as the north?  Why?
Your empty unsupported words are not good enough! Show photos or other evidence demonstrating your assertion.

What are you and he afraid of? Gumwars doesnt want to answer because of a why? His words below.

The issue is I usually don't answer questions with questions but I need to know why you feel that's significant.

He knows the answer.

He did answer:

Plat, I'm asking because I don't understand how the presentation of a star-trail is of any importance to their existence.  Without knowing what equipment was used to record the video in question, I can't give you a straightforward answer.  The aperture of the camera and size of the lens all determine how much light can be pulled in during the recording which can vary the results greatly.  After watching the video in question, I would say the difference is probably due to the equipment.

So, why does that matter?

So did I:

I'm not even sure what you mean by "narrow". And your general and simple observation means the general and simple observation of the images that you googled, right?
In any case, the way to create a star trail photograph is with a long exposure. Depending upon the lens used, the Fstop and duration of exposure, the trails could be thick, thin, narrow, wide, bright, dim, broken, or like a stream.

What's your point?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 07:38:16 PM
General and simple observation of all trails shows all southern stars trails are in fact not as not as narrow as the north?  Why?
Your empty unsupported words are not good enough! Show photos or other evidence demonstrating your assertion.

What are you and he afraid of? Gumwars doesnt want to answer because of a why? His words below.

The issue is I usually don't answer questions with questions but I need to know why you feel that's significant.

He knows the answer.

He did answer:

Plat, I'm asking because I don't understand how the presentation of a star-trail is of any importance to their existence.  Without knowing what equipment was used to record the video in question, I can't give you a straightforward answer.  The aperture of the camera and size of the lens all determine how much light can be pulled in during the recording which can vary the results greatly.  After watching the video in question, I would say the difference is probably due to the equipment.

So, why does that matter?

So did I:

I'm not even sure what you mean by "narrow". And your general and simple observation means the general and simple observation of the images that you googled, right?
In any case, the way to create a star trail photograph is with a long exposure. Depending upon the lens used, the Fstop and duration of exposure, the trails could be thick, thin, narrow, wide, bright, dim, broken, or like a stream.

What's your point?

I used the wrong word and made an edit.

He knows they are but is afaid of the question. And I am going by his first reply.

The issue is I usually don't answer questions with questions but I need to know why you feel that's significant.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: markjo on September 03, 2019, 07:43:11 PM
He knows they are but is afaid of the question.
Nobody is afraid of the question.  The question is vague and irrelevant.  The width of the southern star trails isn't nearly as significant as the fact that they exist in the first place.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on September 03, 2019, 07:45:50 PM
General and simple observation of all trails shows all southern stars trails are in fact not as not as narrow as the north?  Why?

Alrighty, logic lesson time.  So let's break down your response:

"General and simple observation of all trails shows all southern stars trails are in fact not as narrow as the north.

The use of the word "all" is a universal quantifier.  Universal quantifiers are dangerous to use when discussing anything because it needs to be true every time.  I just used a universal quantifier, "anything", but I'm comfortable with how I deployed it.  When you state "all trails", it needs to be true every time.  If I can show that to not be the case, even if its only once, your statement is no longer true. 

Returning to my first response on this topic; Plat, its due to the camera. 

Polaris:
(https://en.es-static.us/upl/2014/03/star-trail-2-15-2013-Ken-Christison-NC.jpeg)

Sigma Octantis:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XfXtNMjxUuw/maxresdefault.jpg)

There appears to be more stars in the vicinity of Polaris, but it the star trails in both images don't seem to be any more or less pronounced in one over the other.

Again, what's the significance?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 07:48:11 PM
He knows they are but is afaid of the question.
Nobody is afraid of the question.  The question is vague and irrelevant.  The width of the southern star trails isn't nearly as significant as the fact that they exist in the first place.

I can see you know the trails are not as narrow as the North and understand even though you used the word vague.  Thank you!

"The width of the southern star trails isn't nearly as significant"
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on September 03, 2019, 07:52:20 PM
He knows they are but is afaid of the question.
Nobody is afraid of the question.  The question is vague and irrelevant.  The width of the southern star trails isn't nearly as significant as the fact that they exist in the first place.

I can see you know the trails are not as narrow as the North and understand even though you used the word vague.  Thank you!

"The width of the southern star trails isn't nearly as significant"

Huh? What are you on about?

I used the wrong word and made an edit.

He knows they are but is afaid of the question. And I am going by his first reply.

The issue is I usually don't answer questions with questions but I need to know why you feel that's significant.

It doesn't matter whether you edit your post to change a word or whether Gum's question was for more information in his first reply. Your question has been answered even though there's no relevance to be asking the question in the first place. What is your problem now? You seem to have a lot of problems.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on September 03, 2019, 07:53:22 PM
He knows they are but is afaid of the question. And I am going by his first reply.

Plat, I'm not even the slightest bit concerned about the question.  I'm asking because it seems extremely off topic.  I'm trying to tie the two together and I can't see a relationship between the two.  I detect a red herring, but I need you to confirm it before I call you out.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 07:57:15 PM
I'm not even sure what you mean by "narrow". And your general and simple observation means the general and simple observation of the images that you googled, right?
In any case, the way to create a star trail photograph is with a long exposure. Depending upon the lens used, the Fstop and duration of exposure, the trails could be thick, thin, narrow, wide, bright, dim, broken, or like a stream.

What's your point?
Likewise.
There are more bright stars in the Southern Hemisphere night sky and had tried to get him to post his photos to see if that's what he meant.

But it seems it's "situation normal" for Plat Terra!  As usual he has nothing and knows nothing!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 07:57:52 PM
He knows they are but is afaid of the question. And I am going by his first reply.

Plat, I'm not even the slightest bit concerned about the question.  I'm asking because it seems extremely off topic.  I'm trying to tie the two together and I can't see a relationship between the two.  I detect a red herring, but I need you to confirm it before I call you out.

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on September 03, 2019, 08:04:01 PM
He knows they are but is afaid of the question. And I am going by his first reply.

Plat, I'm not even the slightest bit concerned about the question.  I'm asking because it seems extremely off topic.  I'm trying to tie the two together and I can't see a relationship between the two.  I detect a red herring, but I need you to confirm it before I call you out.

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.

What do you mean by "viewed as high"?

Question for you: Why are you obsessed with Sigma Octantis?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on September 03, 2019, 08:09:46 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.

Do you mean elevation?  If that's what you mean then it would be dependent on where in the world you are viewing it from.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Octans_IAU.svg/640px-Octans_IAU.svg.png?1567566391949)

The star closest to the celestial pole is Sigma Octantis.  It is a little off, when compared to Polaris:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Ursa_Minor_IAU.svg/640px-Ursa_Minor_IAU.svg.png?1567566503966)

But is close enough.  Just like Polaris, the further south you travel, the higher it will present in the night sky.  If you stood on the geographic south pole, it would be nearly indistinguishable from being directly overhead. 
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 08:10:16 PM
He knows they are but is afaid of the question. And I am going by his first reply.

Plat, I'm not even the slightest bit concerned about the question.  I'm asking because it seems extremely off topic.  I'm trying to tie the two together and I can't see a relationship between the two.  I detect a red herring, but I need you to confirm it before I call you out.

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.

What do you mean by "viewed as high"?

Question for you: Why are you obsessed with Sigma Octantis?

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 08:12:35 PM
He knows they are but is afaid of the question. And I am going by his first reply.

Plat, I'm not even the slightest bit concerned about the question.  I'm asking because it seems extremely off topic.  I'm trying to tie the two together and I can't see a relationship between the two.  I detect a red herring, but I need you to confirm it before I call you out.

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.
As has been pointed out before, the elevation of Polaris or Sigma Octantis depend on the latitude from which the photo was taken!

I thought everybody knew how to find their latitude from Polaris!
Quote
Use the Altitude of Polaris to Find Latitude (https://www.education.com/science-fair/article/north-star-determine-live-earth/)
Sailors and travelers have used Polaris, also known as the North Star, for centuries to locate their position on the surface of the Earth. Polaris is the brightest star in the constellationUrsa Minor, whose seven brightest stars form the Little Dipper. Polaris is the brightest star at the end of the tail of the Little Dipper and is useful because it is the only starthat does not appearto move in relation to a specific location on Earth. Polaris cannot be seen from south of the equator.

The altitude of a star is the measurement in degrees of the angle of the star above the horizon. Flat out on the horizon is 0° and straight up in the sky is at 90°, which has a special name, the zenith.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
<< see the rest at the linked site. >>

But I misjudge the ignorance of some flat earthers, especially you, Plat Terra!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on September 03, 2019, 08:12:56 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris.

Did you read my reply?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 08:14:29 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.

Do you mean elevation?  If that's what you mean then it would be dependent on where in the world you are viewing it from.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Octans_IAU.svg/640px-Octans_IAU.svg.png?1567566391949)

The star closest to the celestial pole is Sigma Octantis.  It is a little off, when compared to Polaris:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Ursa_Minor_IAU.svg/640px-Ursa_Minor_IAU.svg.png?1567566503966)

But is close enough.  Just like Polaris, the further south you travel, the higher it will present in the night sky.  If you stood on the geographic south pole, it would be nearly indistinguishable from being directly overhead.

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on September 03, 2019, 08:15:10 PM
He knows they are but is afaid of the question. And I am going by his first reply.

Plat, I'm not even the slightest bit concerned about the question.  I'm asking because it seems extremely off topic.  I'm trying to tie the two together and I can't see a relationship between the two.  I detect a red herring, but I need you to confirm it before I call you out.

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.

What do you mean by "viewed as high"?

Question for you: Why are you obsessed with Sigma Octantis?

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris.

You mean Octantis isn't as high from a Latitude south of the Equator as Polaris is from an equal Latitude north of the Equator?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on September 03, 2019, 08:16:28 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.

Okay, let me be more specific, did you understand my reply?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 08:19:14 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.

Okay, let me be more specific, did you understand my reply?

Yes I understood your words and graph. Now do you  understand mine?

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 08:20:53 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.

elevation, geographic south pole, latitude.
I don't think Plat Terra understands words of more than four letters so words like elevation, geographic south pole and latitude seem meaningless to him.

Somehow we've got to dumb it down to the "The cat sat on the mat level" for him. Is there a kindergarten teacher around when we need one?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 08:24:15 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.

elevation, geographic south pole, latitude.
I don't think Plat Terra understands words of more than four letters so words like elevation, geographic south pole and latitude seem meaningless to him.

Somehow we've got to dumb it down to the "The cat sat on the mat level" for him. Is there a kindergarten teacher around when we need one?

I understand the star map but explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on September 03, 2019, 08:27:44 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.

elevation, geographic south pole, latitude.
I don't think Plat Terra understands words of more than four letters so words like elevation, geographic south pole and latitude seem meaningless to him.

Somehow we've got to dumb it down to the "The cat sat on the mat level" for him. Is there a kindergarten teacher around when we need one?

I understand the star map but explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.

Again, do you mean Octantis isn't as high from a Latitude south of the Equator as Polaris is from an equal Latitude north of the Equator?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 08:29:07 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.

elevation, geographic south pole, latitude.
I don't think Plat Terra understands words of more than four letters so words like elevation, geographic south pole and latitude seem meaningless to him.

Somehow we've got to dumb it down to the "The cat sat on the mat level" for him. Is there a kindergarten teacher around when we need one?

I understand the star map but explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.

Again, do you mean Octantis isn't as high from a Latitude south of the Equator as Polaris is from an equal Latitude north of the Equator?

No, that's not my question. Read it again.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 08:33:27 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.
Sigma Octantis can be viewed directly overhead from the South Pole! This place:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9krfz3uw31phka/Flat%20Earth%20-%20Debunked%21%2024%20Hour%20Sun%20at%20the%20South%20Pole%20-%20Don%27t%20Stop%20Motion.jpg?dl=1)
Flat Earth - Debunked! 24 Hour Sun at the South Pole - Don't Stop Motion (https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=pcppf47VhrU&t=36s)
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on September 03, 2019, 08:33:56 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.

elevation, geographic south pole, latitude.
I don't think Plat Terra understands words of more than four letters so words like elevation, geographic south pole and latitude seem meaningless to him.

Somehow we've got to dumb it down to the "The cat sat on the mat level" for him. Is there a kindergarten teacher around when we need one?

I understand the star map but explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.

Again, do you mean Octantis isn't as high from a Latitude south of the Equator as Polaris is from an equal Latitude north of the Equator?

No, that's not my question. Read it again.

Ok...why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris? From where? Where is it being viewed from?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: markjo on September 03, 2019, 08:35:03 PM
I understand the star map but explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.
What part of the relationship between the elevation of Sigma Octantis and the latitude of the observer do you not understand? ???
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on September 03, 2019, 08:37:50 PM
Yes I understood your words and graph. Now do you  understand mine?

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.

Your response here indicates that you didn't understand my reply.  I understand you just fine.  What you don't seem to grasp is that the elevation of Polaris and Sigma Octantis is completely dependent on where each star is viewed from. 

90% of the Earth's human population lives in the northern hemisphere.  The distribution of landmass closer to the north pole is also greater in the norther hemisphere, meaning there will be more photos and videos of Polaris, at greater latitudes, which in turn means we get more photos and videos of Polaris at higher elevations in the night sky.

Sigma Octantis is a more remote star to view at higher elevations.  Here it is from New Zealand:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3808/9090747616_111fd99925_b.jpg)

Here it is when viewed from Antarctica:
(https://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/photos/000/778/77822.jpg)

One more time:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1NwQsQUUAAeQJj.jpg)
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 08:39:28 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.
No, that's not my question. Read it again.
You question is meaningless because Sigma Octantis can be viewed as high as Polaris within a few tenths of a degree!

So stop insisting on an explanation of something that is not true!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 08:43:28 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.
No, that's not my question. Read it again.
You question is meaningless because Sigma Octantis can be viewed as high as Polaris within a few tenths of a degree!

So stop insisting on an explanation of something that is not true!

From where with video, picture, latitude? Please
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 08:44:04 PM
Of all the woes facing our planet how does a flat earth help anything...
Maybe you could change you signature to "With all the woes facing our planet do we need a flat earth to add to them..."?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 08:49:00 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.
No, that's not my question. Read it again.
You question is meaningless because Sigma Octantis can be viewed as high as Polaris within a few tenths of a degree!

So stop insisting on an explanation of something that is not true!

From where with video, picture, latitude? Please
Read Gumwars post! From the Geographic South Pole, of course, at 90°S!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1NwQsQUUAAeQJj.jpg)
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on September 03, 2019, 09:00:33 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.
No, that's not my question. Read it again.
You question is meaningless because Sigma Octantis can be viewed as high as Polaris within a few tenths of a degree!

So stop insisting on an explanation of something that is not true!

From where with video, picture, latitude? Please

Plat, are you off your Meds? What are you asking? Gum couldn't have laid it out clearer for you. What is it that you seek?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 09:10:24 PM
Yes I understood your words and graph. Now do you  understand mine?

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.

Your response here indicates that you didn't understand my reply.  I understand you just fine.  What you don't seem to grasp is that the elevation of Polaris and Sigma Octantis is completely dependent on where each star is viewed from. 

90% of the Earth's human population lives in the northern hemisphere.  The distribution of landmass closer to the north pole is also greater in the norther hemisphere, meaning there will be more photos and videos of Polaris, at greater latitudes, which in turn means we get more photos and videos of Polaris at higher elevations in the night sky.

Here it is when viewed from Antarctica:
(https://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/photos/000/778/77822.jpg)

One more time:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1NwQsQUUAAeQJj.jpg)

Your two star trails don't match in Antarctica. One is looking straight up and the other center is at an angle. Which one is a fake picture?

I will post later about New Zealand. 
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 09:11:12 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.
No, that's not my question. Read it again.
You question is meaningless because Sigma Octantis can be viewed as high as Polaris within a few tenths of a degree!

So stop insisting on an explanation of something that is not true!

From where with video, picture, latitude? Please
Read Gumwars post! From the Geographic South Pole, of course, at 90°S!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1NwQsQUUAAeQJj.jpg)

That one is fake. It's too narrow. Photoshop!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on September 03, 2019, 09:16:36 PM
Yes I understood your words and graph. Now do you  understand mine?

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris on video, camera (picture) or telescope.

Your response here indicates that you didn't understand my reply.  I understand you just fine.  What you don't seem to grasp is that the elevation of Polaris and Sigma Octantis is completely dependent on where each star is viewed from. 

90% of the Earth's human population lives in the northern hemisphere.  The distribution of landmass closer to the north pole is also greater in the norther hemisphere, meaning there will be more photos and videos of Polaris, at greater latitudes, which in turn means we get more photos and videos of Polaris at higher elevations in the night sky.

Here it is when viewed from Antarctica:
(https://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/photos/000/778/77822.jpg)

One more time:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1NwQsQUUAAeQJj.jpg)

Your two star trails don't match in Antarctica. One is looking straight up and the other center is at an angle. Which one is a fake picture?

I will post later about New Zealand.

Do you understand that it depends where you are, the observer, as to the angle of anything? Is this most basic notion lost on you?
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Gumwars on September 03, 2019, 09:32:18 PM
That one is fake.

You are utterly hopeless.  Again, your complete lack of basic comprehension in both reading and spatial reasoning have led us to this point.  If you can't see that your ignorance is contributing to your inability to understand these simple concepts, then there is no point in continuing this exercise.  All that will happen is you will continue to face ridicule while simultaneously claiming, falsely, that your position is correct. 

I'm really starting to think you are trolling us.  No one can be this dense.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 09:36:14 PM
You question is meaningless because Sigma Octantis can be viewed as high as Polaris within a few tenths of a degree!

So stop insisting on an explanation of something that is not true!

From where with video, picture, latitude? Please
Read Gumwars post! From the Geographic South Pole, of course, at 90°S!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1NwQsQUUAAeQJj.jpg)
Quote from: Plat Terra

That one is fake.
Incorrect!  But we know your type! You automatically claim anything is a fake is you can't fit it into your "narrative".

But some very "senior" flat-earthers, including Tom Bishop and Sandokhan, would have no problem with that photo!
Unlike you, they are smart enough to realise that the South Geographic Pole is a single real place - get used to it!

That has been know for many many centuries but it was not reached until 14 December 1911.
Now run off and read this thread: World Record for the Fastest Circumnavigation of Earth via Both Poles (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82264.msg2185783#msg2185783)
Here is the route:
Approaching southern tip of SA right now.

(https://i.imgur.com/MWS3qy2.jpg?1)
Try fitting that onto your flat earth map!

By the way, the record and the route are recognised by the FAI and I'd trust them before you any day!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 09:50:22 PM
Your two star trails don't match in Antarctica. One is looking straight up and the other center is at an angle. Which one is a fake picture?
I find it hard to believe that anyone can be as ignorant about geography as you seem to be!

The first photo simply says Antarctica and shows a rocky shore so it cannot possibly be at the Geographic South Pole!
"The northern tip of the Trinity Peninsula at 63°12′48″S 57°18′08″W" almost over 26° from the Geographic South Pole!

The second photo is from the Geographic South Pole!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: kopfverderber on September 03, 2019, 10:06:21 PM
Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high as Polaris.
No, that's not my question. Read it again.
You question is meaningless because Sigma Octantis can be viewed as high as Polaris within a few tenths of a degree!

So stop insisting on an explanation of something that is not true!

From where with video, picture, latitude? Please
Read Gumwars post! From the Geographic South Pole, of course, at 90°S!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1NwQsQUUAAeQJj.jpg)

That one is fake. It's too narrow. Photoshop!

It isnt fake, here's a video:


I created a thread asking where is this place on FE,  still no answers from flatearthers. Hmmmm where could this place be...
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 03, 2019, 10:58:41 PM
Your two star trails don't match in Antarctica. One is looking straight up and the other center is at an angle. Which one is a fake picture?
Neither!

And here's the website of someone who lives at THE ONE REAL Geographic South Pole: (https://www.dropbox.com/s/w28sebohbpz8ags/Iceman%27s%20South%20Pole%20Page.jpg?dl=1) (http://www.antarctic-adventures.de/)

Here's a video from there: Robert Schwarz: Videos from the bottom of the world - the geographic South Pole (https://vimeo.com/polarlights).

And another: FaceBook: South Pole Skies (https://www.facebook.com/southpoleskies) Yes, people live there over winter - Enjoy!
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Plat Terra on September 03, 2019, 11:05:08 PM
You guys need a very serious education on how the stars work. Enjoy!

NASA and modern astronomy claim that star-trails in the Southern Hemisphere rotate clockwise, while those in the North rotate counter-clockwise and provide this as proof positive of their spinning ball-Earth. In reality, however, the Earth is an extended flat plane and all the stars and other celestial bodies rotate East to West around Polaris, the only non-moving star in the sky situated perfectly in line directly above the North Pole. The so-called "South Pole" and South Pole star "Sigma Octantis" are both myths - complete fabrications to bolster their ball model. The following video exposes the entire hoax and explains in detail how star-trails work on the flat Earth model, and how they do NOT on the ball.


Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Stash on September 03, 2019, 11:53:47 PM
You guys need a very serious education on how the stars work. Enjoy!

NASA and modern astronomy claim that star-trails in the Southern Hemisphere rotate clockwise, while those in the North rotate counter-clockwise and provide this as proof positive of their spinning ball-Earth. In reality, however, the Earth is an extended flat plane and all the stars and other celestial bodies rotate East to West around Polaris, the only non-moving star in the sky situated perfectly in line directly above the North Pole. The so-called "South Pole" and South Pole star "Sigma Octantis" are both myths - complete fabrications to bolster their ball model. The following video exposes the entire hoax and explains in detail how star-trails work on the flat Earth model, and how they do NOT on the ball.



Exhausting...In reality, yes, star-trails in the Southern Hemisphere rotate clockwise, while those in the North rotate counter-clockwise. Period.

If you want to claim that Sigma Octantis is a myth, then prove it.

The Dubay disaster of video doesn't prove, show, evidence anything. Try and tease out one salient item from it. I sure can't. I couldn't find anywhere where it even remotely conveys how star-trails work on the flat Earth model, let alone how they don't work on a globe model. I particularly like the irony of him using Newtonian/Heliocentric/Globe coded software for his 'demonstration'. You do know what 'irony' means?

I think you would be better served by going over to Dubay's shitshow of a board at ifers.com. It's a perfect echo chamber for you. So thick with irony over there that you would fit right in.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: kopfverderber on September 04, 2019, 12:08:42 AM
You guys need a very serious education on how the stars work. Enjoy!

NASA and modern astronomy claim that star-trails in the Southern Hemisphere rotate clockwise, while those in the North rotate counter-clockwise and provide this as proof positive of their spinning ball-Earth. In reality, however, the Earth is an extended flat plane and all the stars and other celestial bodies rotate East to West around Polaris, the only non-moving star in the sky situated perfectly in line directly above the North Pole. The so-called "South Pole" and South Pole star "Sigma Octantis" are both myths - complete fabrications to bolster their ball model. The following video exposes the entire hoax and explains in detail how star-trails work on the flat Earth model, and how they do NOT on the ball.



Which part of the video shows the real southern sky from a southern location like Chile or New Zealand not rotating clockwise around the southern celestial pole?
 
Where is the timelapse of the southern cross moving sideways as your belief requires? Nowhere. You have no evidence of your claims, period.

The northern stars and the southern stars rotate in the exact same way, just in opposite directions. We have shown you plenty of evidence of this fact, that speaks volumes for the earth being a sphere. You are in denial.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: rabinoz on September 04, 2019, 02:01:13 AM
You guys need a very serious education on how the stars work. Enjoy!

NASA and modern astronomy claim that star-trails in the Southern Hemisphere rotate clockwise, while those in the North rotate counter-clockwise and provide this as proof positive of their spinning ball-Earth.
I don't think any of the star trail videos was connected NASA and only one from an astronomer.

But might the reason that astronomers "claim that star-trails in the Southern Hemisphere rotate clockwise, while those in the North rotate counter-clockwise" is because that is what is observed?

If might be proof "spinning ball-Earth" but it very good evidence that the North Pole centred circular disk earth cannot be correct!

Quote from: Plat Terra
In reality, however, the Earth is an extended flat plane and all the stars and other celestial bodies rotate East to West around Polaris, the only non-moving star in the sky situated perfectly in line directly above the North Pole.
No! You have never proven or even given good evidence of that!
And Polaris is not a "non-moving star in the sky situated perfectly in line directly above the North Pole."
Look at any good video of the Northern Star Trails and you will see that Polaris circles the North Celestial Pole just as Sigma Octantis does the South Celestial Pole.

You don't have much real idea about astronomy do you?

Quote from: Plat Terra
The so-called "South Pole" and South Pole star "Sigma Octantis" are both myths - complete fabrications to bolster their ball model. The following video exposes the entire hoax and explains in detail how star-trails work on the flat Earth model, and how they do NOT on the ball.


Flat Earth Star Trails Explained by Eric Dubay
If you believe Eric Dubay on any topic you are a bigger fool that I thought  you were!

At only 32 seconds in he posts this outright lie!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/pcksmlla0crnsg5/Flat%20Earth%20Star%20Trails%20Lies%20Presented%20by%20Eric%20Dubay.jpg?dl=1)
0:32 into "Flat Earth Star Trails Lies" Presented by Eric Dubay

That is totally false! From near sea-level Polaris cannot normally be seen south of even the Equator.
Because the earth is a Globe, however, can be seen from high altitude a few degrees south of the Equator!

But Polaris cannot be seen from near sea-level as far south as the Tropic of Capricorn.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: JackBlack on September 04, 2019, 03:53:34 AM
There is nothing to defend.
Yes there is, the south celestial pole doesn't work on your pizza fantasy.
It is quite well documented, and shown every southern summer with the sun rising from south of east.

Your pathetic appeals for a phone call is just a distraction from the issue.
It isn't needed at all.

Explain why Sigma Octantis cannot be viewed as high above the horizon as Polaris.
Why would we need to explain your fantasy?
Go to the south pole and look up, go to the north pole and look up.
They can both be viewed quite high above the horizon. The actual height will depend on latitude.

Your two star trails don't match in Antarctica. One is looking straight up and the other center is at an angle. Which one is a fake picture?
So what? No one claims Antartica is a point.
The only reason one would expect them to be the same (but skewed) is if Earth was actually flat. The fact that they are different is just further proof that Earth isn't flat.?

Now, care to try and explain how the south celestial pole works on your fantasy?
It is quite well established as reality. You rejecting it to try and cling to fantasy wont magically make you correct; it will just make you wilfully ignorant of reality and show you do not care about the truth at all.
And no links to dishonest videos. You should be able to provide the explanation in text with a few images if necessary.
Title: Re: “Sigma Octantis” and the Infinite Plane?
Post by: Themightykabool on September 04, 2019, 05:30:25 AM
Wow.
A whole pg three of spamming the same question over and over again.
Dodnt ever pccur to you to ask it in a slightly different way?
Clearly you have comminuication issues on top of your inability to purchase a basketball and visualize yourself stand on tophemiphere vs south hemisphere to see that the floor would rotate one way and the ceiling the opposite.

Very real provable verifiable thiings.
Are you sayijg that people in argentina dont know what directions the stars turn?
Are you saying Argentinians are subsidized by nasa to perpetuate this lie?
Thats what youre inferring.