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Title: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 14, 2019, 11:41:37 PM
After years of time, a massive failure, being shelved, losing interest, retaining interest, a complete redesign..oh and don't forget a long angry thread that ended up getting locked...everything is finally functional.

Now it is time for fun

(https://i.postimg.cc/pr2SQrGL/IMG-20190814-135420217.jpg)
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on August 15, 2019, 12:13:49 AM

You unblocked your sink?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 15, 2019, 12:20:11 AM

You unblocked your sink?

If you have plasma in your pipes I wanna see the rest of your house.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 15, 2019, 02:05:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/I5kDkpP.jpg)

 :D
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 15, 2019, 02:08:09 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/I5kDkpP.jpg)

 :D

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Thanks for the laugh Bullwinkle
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: boydster on August 15, 2019, 05:34:32 AM
Is that a vacuum chamber for a baby rocket?!!??!!!!
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 15, 2019, 07:53:31 AM
I will not believe this is a baby rocket vacuum chamber unless you put a loaf of bread in it!
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on August 15, 2019, 08:00:27 AM

I will not believe that rockets have babies.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 15, 2019, 10:30:16 AM
Is that a vacuum chamber for a baby rocket?!!??!!!!

Yep if only legba were still around
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: markjo on August 15, 2019, 10:39:15 AM
Is that a vacuum chamber for a baby rocket?!!??!!!!

Yep if only legba were still around
That's alright, the great "rockets don't work in a vacuum" debate is still alive and well.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82434.0
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 15, 2019, 02:55:02 PM
I will not believe this is a baby rocket vacuum chamber unless you put a loaf of bread in it!

I can put a loaf of bread in there if you want. It should shrink I believe.

I am thinking of starting a YouTube channel with random experiments in it. I dunno
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: boydster on August 15, 2019, 02:57:37 PM
DO IT!
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 15, 2019, 03:18:26 PM
DO IT!

Issues, I don't know how to use video editing software well enough to sustain a quality YouTube channel.

Windows are small

(https://i.postimg.cc/nrbKntGv/IMG-20190814-140257492.jpg)

So I would need to figure out some way to take good video. Maybe some magnet holders for GoPro's?

Simply would be nice to have a partner that knows video editing, YouTube etc.

Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 15, 2019, 08:26:45 PM
Boydster, you are supposed to say "sure I will do the editing for you"  :'(
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: boydster on August 15, 2019, 08:52:52 PM
I will do the editing for you!
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 15, 2019, 11:04:10 PM
I will do the editing for you!

You actually don't have to, though it would be cool if you want to. However, it is going to be more time than you think. There is going to be a fair amount of content to edit, between set up, design etc. As I want to be as transparent as possible. Also, just the experiment itself. Just taking the lid off takes about 10 mins, same to replace and about 15 to take down to a full vacuum.

I am all for it, just want to be as accurate as possible on the time it will actually take. Especially if there is a goal of an active YouTube channel.

The cool thing is, I don't think there are any channels with large vacuum Chambers. Especially ones capable of electric currently, gas flow hot and cold. Might be some cool ideas to do and get some views, I dunno
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Lorddave on August 16, 2019, 04:11:08 AM
So its a vaccume chamber.  What do you need it for?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 16, 2019, 08:28:28 AM
It's where his baby rockets live.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on August 16, 2019, 08:30:23 AM
It's where his baby rockets live.
Won't they suffocate?!?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: markjo on August 16, 2019, 09:49:02 AM
It's where his baby rockets live.
Won't they suffocate?!?
There's only one way to know for sure.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 16, 2019, 06:50:21 PM
So its a vaccume chamber.  What do you need it for?

For a few things. Testing prototypes at different atmospheres and temps, cold plasma nitriding and a few other odd ball things.

Oh, and of course the fun stuff like baby rockets and seeing how long boydster can sustain a high vacuum before losing sphincter control.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sokarul on August 16, 2019, 06:56:14 PM
DO IT!

Issues, I don't know how to use video editing software well enough to sustain a quality YouTube channel.

Windows are small

(https://i.postimg.cc/nrbKntGv/IMG-20190814-140257492.jpg)

So I would need to figure out some way to take good video. Maybe some magnet holders for GoPro's?

Simply would be nice to have a partner that knows video editing, YouTube etc.

Where is the vacuum gauge?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 16, 2019, 07:01:30 PM

I don't know how to use video editing software well enough to sustain a quality YouTube channel.

Who's fault is that?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 16, 2019, 07:09:07 PM

I don't know how to use video editing software well enough to sustain a quality YouTube channel.

Who's fault is that?

You are so cranky.

Simply saying I would need a partner.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 16, 2019, 07:12:43 PM

You are so cranky.

I realize that after I click 'POST'.   :(
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 16, 2019, 07:14:02 PM

Where is the vacuum gauge?

Voltage, gas flow, pump control and everything else is controlled on one screen. That blue moveable unit is the brain and main controller.

Vacuum and gas pumps

(https://i.postimg.cc/HxfYj7xv/IMG-20190814-140539377.jpg)

Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: boydster on August 16, 2019, 07:17:38 PM
So its a vaccume chamber.  What do you need it for?

For a few things. Testing prototypes at different atmospheres and temps, cold plasma nitriding and a few other odd ball things.

Oh, and of course the fun stuff like baby rockets and seeing how long boydster can sustain a high vacuum before losing sphincter control.
My sphincter is incredibly powerful. You do not want to be on the losing end of this challenge.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 16, 2019, 08:01:44 PM
So its a vaccume chamber.  What do you need it for?

For a few things. Testing prototypes at different atmospheres and temps, cold plasma nitriding and a few other odd ball things.

Oh, and of course the fun stuff like baby rockets and seeing how long boydster can sustain a high vacuum before losing sphincter control.
My sphincter is incredibly powerful. You do not want to be on the losing end of this challenge.

I wanna see that raw footage!!
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Lorddave on August 16, 2019, 10:30:02 PM
So its a vaccume chamber.  What do you need it for?

For a few things. Testing prototypes at different atmospheres and temps, cold plasma nitriding and a few other odd ball things.

Oh, and of course the fun stuff like baby rockets and seeing how long boydster can sustain a high vacuum before losing sphincter control.

Do you build missiles?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 17, 2019, 12:32:14 AM
So its a vaccume chamber.  What do you need it for?

For a few things. Testing prototypes at different atmospheres and temps, cold plasma nitriding and a few other odd ball things.

Oh, and of course the fun stuff like baby rockets and seeing how long boydster can sustain a high vacuum before losing sphincter control.

Do you build missiles?

No, never missiles.

Years ago when there were more private rocket and sat companies built some pieces for both. However, that work dried up after most of the companies either went out of business or got bought out. Now there are only a few companies that are left and they are all mostly in house.

Was never a large source of business either way.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Denspressure on August 18, 2019, 01:11:05 AM
Amazing chamber! I would like to propose an observation! Something that has been bothering me for some time. And I am dying to find out. It would take a bit of setup and maybe a camera inside the chamber too, I can buy a GoPro for you for this, should work in a vacuum!

If you got the time I'll propose it here.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Denspressure on August 21, 2019, 06:26:38 AM
Ah, you are chicken fried clucker? Then you know what I was talking about!

Can you tell me some of the specs of the chamber? How strong of a vacuum it can create, for how long?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 25, 2019, 05:42:42 AM
Amazing chamber! I would like to propose an observation! Something that has been bothering me for some time. And I am dying to find out. It would take a bit of setup and maybe a camera inside the chamber too, I can buy a GoPro for you for this, should work in a vacuum!

If you got the time I'll propose it here.

If you have a go pro already we can trade that for the Scarlett (was going to send that to you anyways). If you don't already have a go pro, I don't want you to buy one, as I know you are working on building up your own projects
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Denspressure on August 25, 2019, 06:02:34 AM
I don't have one, sorry. But they should work, GoPros have been used on high altitude balloons and sounding rockets for years now.

Some questions, any calculations on how much a complete burn of the rocket will compromise the vacuum due to the expansion of gasses. I presume it will be negligible?

It may help to keep the vacuum pumps running so they can pump out the gas created by the rocket, is this possible?

How strong is the vacuum it can create?

How are you going to show its really a vacuum? you know how flat earthers are, they'll say whatever gauge you use has been hacked! and if its off-frame, they sure as hell won't trust it. Perhaps something simple that can be seen in the frame, like a balloon or bottle of water (The latter will '"boil" in a vacuum.) It sound stupid, I know, but you know how these people are. They'll likely say you faked something even if everything is continuous and in one frame!

What kind of rocket are you going to use? it may need fuel and oxidizer, so fireworks isnt going to work! (No oxygen!) and an ignition.

How will you show the rocket has thrust?

It would be useful to also do an engine burn under atmospheric pressure, so we can compare them with an engine burn under a vacuum.

How will you place the rocket? if the vacuum pump is connected to the top or bottom of the cylinder, it may be best to point the rocket in that direction.

The nozzle should be placed as far from the chamber wall as possible, so we know it isn't hitting the wall. Actually, it may be useful to put it at different distances from the wall so we can see if it matters, and how much. If it doesn't you have an argument against the people who will claim its hitting the wall.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Denspressure on September 08, 2019, 03:28:34 AM
Can you specify the strongest vacuum it can pull as a meaningfull unit of pressure? PSI, Torr, atm. Don't know which one is best!

Can you share some concept ideas about the engine?

People have told me they don't want the nozzle to be blocked by some kind of seal to build up gas mixture, because then the thrust would come from pushing against and breaking the seal? Wouldn't really work in my opinion, thrust would fail as soon as the seal is broken if this was the case.

Just some thought.

I could post your video's on my channel if you want, would give me some exposure also!

Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on September 09, 2019, 06:20:19 PM
Oh hey dens, I haven't checked this thread much. I will get back to it shortly as angry ranting as been taking my time here today.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: totallackey on October 01, 2019, 05:16:17 AM
Can't wait to see the pictures.

Is it still in Texas?

I can come down and take some photos for proof.

I will even film it.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 02, 2019, 12:00:40 AM
Can't wait to see the pictures.

Is it still in Texas?

I can come down and take some photos for proof.

I will even film it.


Hahahahaha, you know it will never happen.   ::)
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 02, 2019, 01:53:44 PM
Can you specify the strongest vacuum it can pull as a meaningfull unit of pressure? PSI, Torr, atm. Don't know which one is best!

Can you share some concept ideas about the engine?

People have told me they don't want the nozzle to be blocked by some kind of seal to build up gas mixture, because then the thrust would come from pushing against and breaking the seal? Wouldn't really work in my opinion, thrust would fail as soon as the seal is broken if this was the case.

Just some thought.

I could post your video's on my channel if you want, would give me some exposure also!

I don't know what the maximum is, never tried...I think theoretically maybe 10-7, 10-8, but there really is not reason to pull down to the maximum. It's unnecessary stress for no reason.

I have been gathering ideas for on how to perform the experiment, and what skeptics would accept as a real experiment.

That would would be cool if you could do the video work and post it.

Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 02, 2019, 01:55:40 PM
Can't wait to see the pictures.

Is it still in Texas?

I can come down and take some photos for proof.

I will even film it.

You are always welcome, I am in Dallas. There are pictures on the first page


Can't wait to see the pictures.

Is it still in Texas?

I can come down and take some photos for proof.

I will even film it.


Hahahahaha, you know it will never happen.   ::)

Just because you do nothing with your life doesn't mean everyone is like that.

I built the fucking thing...that was the hard part.

Now limp elsewhere
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Denspressure on October 03, 2019, 08:49:51 AM
Can you specify the strongest vacuum it can pull as a meaningfull unit of pressure? PSI, Torr, atm. Don't know which one is best!

Can you share some concept ideas about the engine?

People have told me they don't want the nozzle to be blocked by some kind of seal to build up gas mixture, because then the thrust would come from pushing against and breaking the seal? Wouldn't really work in my opinion, thrust would fail as soon as the seal is broken if this was the case.

Just some thought.

I could post your video's on my channel if you want, would give me some exposure also!

I don't know what the maximum is, never tried...I think theoretically maybe 10-7, 10-8, but there really is not reason to pull down to the maximum. It's unnecessary stress for no reason.

I have been gathering ideas for on how to perform the experiment, and what skeptics would accept as a real experiment.

That would would be cool if you could do the video work and post it.
I can do the video editing work for you. Here is some of the stuff I did for fun.:




The first one is done (About 300 photos) the second one almost...

I have been thinking about a peculiar which would allow you to place the engine upwards almost on the bottom.

Tada:
(https://i.imgur.com/Iwi0biU.png)

The entire engine and fuel setup is put on the orange carrier. This is kept in place by the blue bars with brown wheels in-between. Without the pars I would think it would angle in one direction.
The carrier is attached by the red wire, goes over a roller to the other side and connects to a green bar for measurements. I suppose this can be anything, electronic or analog. Analog may be better so it can stretch and allow the carrier to move downwards to give more visuals clues on what is happening.

Something like this: https://americanweigh.com/product_info.php?products_id=378

There is a yellow spring at the bottom to keep it from touching the floor or going beyond the range of the scale and pulling stuff apart.

Problems are, the top of the carrier will be pulled to the left as it wants to angle to the direction of the weight of the engine. Don't know if the pressure forced on the bars by the wheels to keep it straight will cause too much friction for it to move.

And everything has to fit on the carrier. If its too heavy for the sale, multiple scales may need to be used or there needs to be some kind of counterweight.

Benefit is that you have an enormous range if you place it in the middle.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 03, 2019, 10:28:18 PM
Can't wait to see the pictures.

Is it still in Texas?

I can come down and take some photos for proof.

I will even film it.

You are always welcome, I am in Dallas. There are pictures on the first page


Can't wait to see the pictures.

Is it still in Texas?

I can come down and take some photos for proof.

I will even film it.


Hahahahaha, you know it will never happen.   ::)

Just because you do nothing with your life doesn't mean everyone is like that.

I built the fucking thing...that was the hard part.

Now limp elsewhere

All you needed was a 2 foot pipe and a vacuum pump.   ::)

Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 03, 2019, 10:39:38 PM
Can't wait to see the pictures.

Is it still in Texas?

I can come down and take some photos for proof.

I will even film it.

You are always welcome, I am in Dallas. There are pictures on the first page


Can't wait to see the pictures.

Is it still in Texas?

I can come down and take some photos for proof.

I will even film it.


Hahahahaha, you know it will never happen.   ::)

Just because you do nothing with your life doesn't mean everyone is like that.

I built the fucking thing...that was the hard part.

Now limp elsewhere

All you needed was a 2 foot pipe and a vacuum pump.   ::)

It's the OCD.

Always get carried away. Plus, it has more than one use now
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sceptimatic on October 03, 2019, 11:56:56 PM
DO IT!

Issues, I don't know how to use video editing software well enough to sustain a quality YouTube channel.

Windows are small

(https://i.postimg.cc/nrbKntGv/IMG-20190814-140257492.jpg)

So I would need to figure out some way to take good video. Maybe some magnet holders for GoPro's?

Simply would be nice to have a partner that knows video editing, YouTube etc.
Is this a chamber for evacuation of pressure, specifically or something else?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 12:12:51 AM
Is this a chamber for evacuation of pressure, specifically or something else?

Scepti!!!! It's always great when you pop up from time to time.

I use it for testing prototypes at different atmospheres and temps, cold plasma nitriding and a few other odd ball things.

A little bit overkill for my needs but got a little carried away. Though I sized it down from the original design. Ran into problems that was not worth rectifying
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 12:33:19 AM
Can you specify the strongest vacuum it can pull as a meaningfull unit of pressure? PSI, Torr, atm. Don't know which one is best!

Can you share some concept ideas about the engine?

People have told me they don't want the nozzle to be blocked by some kind of seal to build up gas mixture, because then the thrust would come from pushing against and breaking the seal? Wouldn't really work in my opinion, thrust would fail as soon as the seal is broken if this was the case.

Just some thought.

I could post your video's on my channel if you want, would give me some exposure also!

I don't know what the maximum is, never tried...I think theoretically maybe 10-7, 10-8, but there really is not reason to pull down to the maximum. It's unnecessary stress for no reason.

I have been gathering ideas for on how to perform the experiment, and what skeptics would accept as a real experiment.

That would would be cool if you could do the video work and post it.
I can do the video editing work for you. Here is some of the stuff I did for fun.:




The first one is done (About 300 photos) the second one almost...

I have been thinking about a peculiar which would allow you to place the engine upwards almost on the bottom.

Tada:
(https://i.imgur.com/Iwi0biU.png)

The entire engine and fuel setup is put on the orange carrier. This is kept in place by the blue bars with brown wheels in-between. Without the pars I would think it would angle in one direction.
The carrier is attached by the red wire, goes over a roller to the other side and connects to a green bar for measurements. I suppose this can be anything, electronic or analog. Analog may be better so it can stretch and allow the carrier to move downwards to give more visuals clues on what is happening.

Something like this: https://americanweigh.com/product_info.php?products_id=378

There is a yellow spring at the bottom to keep it from touching the floor or going beyond the range of the scale and pulling stuff apart.

Problems are, the top of the carrier will be pulled to the left as it wants to angle to the direction of the weight of the engine. Don't know if the pressure forced on the bars by the wheels to keep it straight will cause too much friction for it to move.

And everything has to fit on the carrier. If its too heavy for the sale, multiple scales may need to be used or there needs to be some kind of counterweight.

Benefit is that you have an enormous range if you place it in the middle.

It would be great having help on the video editing and posting etc. I bet we can work some sort of fun barter. You help me with that and I will do some experiments you want to see. It doesn't have to involve the chamber if you have other stuff you want to do.

As for the idea you have for the rocket. I like the idea. Once there is an agreement of a basic design I will draw something up in solid works and go from there
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2019, 12:40:39 AM
Is this a chamber for evacuation of pressure, specifically or something else?

Scepti!!!! It's always great when you pop up from time to time.

I use it for testing prototypes at different atmospheres and temps, cold plasma nitriding and a few other odd ball things.

A little bit overkill for my needs but got a little carried away. Though I sized it down from the original design. Ran into problems that was not worth rectifying

So, you got finally got the proper city permits to build and use a tool?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sceptimatic on October 04, 2019, 12:48:00 AM
Is this a chamber for evacuation of pressure, specifically or something else?

Scepti!!!! It's always great when you pop up from time to time.

I use it for testing prototypes at different atmospheres and temps, cold plasma nitriding and a few other odd ball things.

A little bit overkill for my needs but got a little carried away. Though I sized it down from the original design. Ran into problems that was not worth rectifying
Is there no way you can add support to the side in order to lay the vessel down horizontally and also add in a 3 inch thick near clear acrylic lid and seal plus clamps to the larger opening you see at the top, which would naturally be horizontal if you lay the vessel down on its side.

You see, you don't need to bolt down the lid, Just clamp it and the evacuation of pressure will cause the atmosphere to seal the lid from outside.

You'd have a fantastic viewing platform to see in directly and still have the side windows to see anything move, such as a rocket.

The experiments you can do would be much clearer in terms of this.
We could put this to use. I have a lot of stuff to put to you to try if you're willing.

As for video editing, there needs to be clock references, gauge references and also clear views of a low pressure evacuation showing its ability to work before anything is allowed to be experimented on.... and only when this is satisfied should any experiment begin... and begin immediately in view of it working.

This isn't about you being a liar or anything, it's about clarity for all us sceptics.
If you're willing to go to this trouble to verify your side or at least verify a truth, then you can go a long way in putting a lot of issues to bed.

You have to understand it has to absolutely stand up to scrutiny from outside in, in terms of me and others who cannot physically be there, but it would be great if some sceptics or even one from here, along with a globalist from here who can actually physically be there with you to verify outcomes of varying experiments over a set period of time.

Are you happy to do this?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2019, 12:58:53 AM
Is BHS trying to prove rockets work or don't work in a vacuum?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sceptimatic on October 04, 2019, 01:08:42 AM
Is BHS trying to prove rockets work or don't work in a vacuum?
He was trying to prove they do work in a vacuum, iirc.


Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 01:08:50 AM
So, you got finally got the proper city permits to build and use a tool?

You have never owned a mechanical engineering firm, you have no idea the amount of regulations and permits..not to mention the taxes and fees that are involved every year.

Especially when you include some of the fuels, metals and chemicals I work with.

I always wonder if you tap yourself on the back when you think you have made a good post?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 01:14:05 AM
Is this a chamber for evacuation of pressure, specifically or something else?

Scepti!!!! It's always great when you pop up from time to time.

I use it for testing prototypes at different atmospheres and temps, cold plasma nitriding and a few other odd ball things.

A little bit overkill for my needs but got a little carried away. Though I sized it down from the original design. Ran into problems that was not worth rectifying
Is there no way you can add support to the side in order to lay the vessel down horizontally and also add in a 3 inch thick near clear acrylic lid and seal plus clamps to the larger opening you see at the top, which would naturally be horizontal if you lay the vessel down on its side.

You see, you don't need to bolt down the lid, Just clamp it and the evacuation of pressure will cause the atmosphere to seal the lid from outside.

You'd have a fantastic viewing platform to see in directly and still have the side windows to see anything move, such as a rocket.

The experiments you can do would be much clearer in terms of this.
We could put this to use. I have a lot of stuff to put to you to try if you're willing.

As for video editing, there needs to be clock references, gauge references and also clear views of a low pressure evacuation showing its ability to work before anything is allowed to be experimented on.... and only when this is satisfied should any experiment begin... and begin immediately in view of it working.

This isn't about you being a liar or anything, it's about clarity for all us sceptics.
If you're willing to go to this trouble to verify your side or at least verify a truth, then you can go a long way in putting a lot of issues to bed.

You have to understand it has to absolutely stand up to scrutiny from outside in, in terms of me and others who cannot physically be there, but it would be great if some sceptics or even one from here, along with a globalist from here who can actually physically be there with you to verify outcomes of varying experiments over a set period of time.

Are you happy to do this?

Laying it on it's side is not an issue.

However, changing anything structural will pose a problem. I am not sure I would be willing to make a new lid or not. I would have to do the math first.

Everything else is no problem. Constant uncut video monitoring of whatever people determine important and how they would consider honest.

Also, it's not "my side". I will accept whatever results come from it. My side is truth. As I told ck a bit ago, I would actually prefer rockets don't work in a vacuum. Think of what that actually means...it would be life changing.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 01:15:08 AM
Also, yes for the small looking Glass I really wasn't going to have anything viewing through that. Was going to put a camera or two just in the chamber.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2019, 01:24:01 AM
So, you got finally got the proper city permits to build and use a tool?

You have never owned a mechanical engineering firm, you have no idea the amount of regulations and permits..not to mention the taxes and fees that are involved every year.

Especially when you include some of the fuels, metals and chemicals I work with.

I always wonder if you tap yourself on the back when you think you have made a good post?


City authority ends at the electric room.

You don't need a permit to plug in a welder or a plasma cutter
or a CNC or an electric typewriter.
You also don't need a permit for a vacuum.

YOU DO NOT NEED A PERMIT TO PLUG IN A SHOP TOOL.


And, which fuels, metals and chemicals interfered with you getting a vacuum permit.

Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sceptimatic on October 04, 2019, 01:29:26 AM
Is this a chamber for evacuation of pressure, specifically or something else?

Scepti!!!! It's always great when you pop up from time to time.

I use it for testing prototypes at different atmospheres and temps, cold plasma nitriding and a few other odd ball things.

A little bit overkill for my needs but got a little carried away. Though I sized it down from the original design. Ran into problems that was not worth rectifying
Is there no way you can add support to the side in order to lay the vessel down horizontally and also add in a 3 inch thick near clear acrylic lid and seal plus clamps to the larger opening you see at the top, which would naturally be horizontal if you lay the vessel down on its side.

You see, you don't need to bolt down the lid, Just clamp it and the evacuation of pressure will cause the atmosphere to seal the lid from outside.

You'd have a fantastic viewing platform to see in directly and still have the side windows to see anything move, such as a rocket.

The experiments you can do would be much clearer in terms of this.
We could put this to use. I have a lot of stuff to put to you to try if you're willing.

As for video editing, there needs to be clock references, gauge references and also clear views of a low pressure evacuation showing its ability to work before anything is allowed to be experimented on.... and only when this is satisfied should any experiment begin... and begin immediately in view of it working.

This isn't about you being a liar or anything, it's about clarity for all us sceptics.
If you're willing to go to this trouble to verify your side or at least verify a truth, then you can go a long way in putting a lot of issues to bed.

You have to understand it has to absolutely stand up to scrutiny from outside in, in terms of me and others who cannot physically be there, but it would be great if some sceptics or even one from here, along with a globalist from here who can actually physically be there with you to verify outcomes of varying experiments over a set period of time.

Are you happy to do this?

Laying it on it's side is not an issue.

However, changing anything structural will pose a problem. I am not sure I would be willing to make a new lid or not. I would have to do the math first.

Everything else is no problem. Constant uncut video monitoring of whatever people determine important and how they would consider honest.

Also, it's not "my side". I will accept whatever results come from it. My side is truth. As I told ck a bit ago, I would actually prefer rockets don't work in a vacuum. Think of what that actually means...it would be life changing.
You don't need to change the set up of your lid. All you need to do when using it as an evacuation chamber is to take off the original bolted down lid and have a thick acrylic lid made to fit that circle, plus a simple seal of some kind.
The external atmosphere will do the sealing of it once you start allowing evacuation of matter from inside.

The only thing to do is to make a cradle for resting the vessel on, on it's side or weld a few runners on the side in order for it to be lowered and resting on the runners.

As for the camera's, you could set up inside and out just for clarity. Simply cheap web cam type camera would suffice.

Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 01:38:55 AM
City authority ends at the electric room.

You don't need a permit to plug in a welder or a plasma cutter
or a CNC or an electric typewriter.
You also don't need a permit for a vacuum.

YOU DO NOT NEED A PERMIT TO PLUG IN A SHOP TOOL.


And, which fuels, metals and chemicals interfered with you getting a vacuum permit.

Lol, you have no clue what so ever you are talking about. (Which I already knew)

The city does not what so ever end at the electric pole (lol, that's not even owned by the city)...if you want your certificate of occupancy for your stated business (if you can even get zoning for it), you have guidelines to follow.

It starts with structural, plumbing, electrical and general. That is just for starters...when you have a business like my mechanical engineering firm, you have many other hoops to jump through, plus taxes and fees. You have the state, federal, epa etc all wanting their money and guidelines you have to follow.

Why don't you stick with talking shit about nothing....as you have zero clue what you are talking about per the norm.


Oh, and a vacuum chamber that has gaseous fuel running though it has to have its own certification.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2019, 01:44:06 AM

Oh, and a vacuum chamber that has gaseous fuel running though it has to have its own certification.

So, your vacuum tank can draw a vacuum while being full of full of gaseous fumes?

Do you actually think people are stupid enough to believe you?

Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 01:50:09 AM

Oh, and a vacuum chamber that has gaseous fuel running though it has to have its own certification.

So, your vacuum tank can draw a vacuum while being full of full of gaseous fumes?

Do you actually think people are stupid enough to believe you?

Why don't you check out cold plasma nitriding....I will wait dip shit.

You disappoint me so often it makes me sad.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2019, 02:14:36 AM

Oh, and a vacuum chamber that has gaseous fuel running though it has to have its own certification.

So, your vacuum tank can draw a vacuum while being full of full of gaseous fumes?

Do you actually think people are stupid enough to believe you?

Why don't you check out cold plasma nitriding....I will wait dip shit.

You disappoint me so often it makes me sad.

OK, now we need a surveyor to find the goal post.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 02:18:24 AM
OK, now we need a surveyor to find the goal post.

What the fuck does that even mean?

Does it have any effect on you that everything you have said in this thread so far is either bullshit or a bold faced lie?

You must be like boydster and have no mirrors in your shack
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2019, 02:28:44 AM

Does it have any effect on you that everything you have said in this thread so far is either bullshit or a bold faced lie?

That is conjecture.

You are assuming facts not in evidence.
You have not established any factual basis for your claim.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 02:36:18 AM

Does it have any effect on you that everything you have said in this thread so far is either bullshit or a bold faced lie?

That is conjecture.

You are assuming facts not in evidence.
You have not established any factual basis for your claim.

Just shut the fuck up will you. I am not in the mood for your sad self tonight, don't feel like entertaining it. Everything I just said is easily proven, Google will help you. Just because you are too stupid to know or too much of a liar is not my problem.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2019, 02:47:20 AM

Does it have any effect on you that everything you have said in this thread so far is either bullshit or a bold faced lie?

That is conjecture.

You are assuming facts not in evidence.
You have not established any factual basis for your claim.

Just shut the fuck up will you. I am not in the mood for your sad self tonight, don't feel like entertaining it. Everything I just said is easily proven, Google will help you. Just because you are too stupid to know or too much of a liar is not my problem.

I'll let you go you when I get you to the leader. No gaff.
Counts as a catch and release.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 02:51:25 AM
I'll let you go you when I get you to the leader. No gaff.
Counts as a catch and release.

So is this your way of saying everything you have said in this thread is a lie or you have no fucking clue what you are talking about?

I am betting a combo of both. Now quit shitting this thread up
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2019, 03:00:01 AM
No, I'm saying you will bite troll feathers.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 03:39:42 AM
No, I'm saying you will bite troll feathers.

Pathetic
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2019, 04:23:35 AM
No, I'm saying you will bite troll feathers.

Pathetic

Catch and Release.   ;D
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: markjo on October 04, 2019, 07:40:11 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/24/94/d6249402f8f9d8906fedbee254a0c249.jpg)
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 11:08:58 AM
No, I'm saying you will bite troll feathers.

Pathetic

Catch and Release.   ;D

I see you are still spreading the lie about no gas flow in a vacuum. Too much of a do nothing loser to know and a liar to look it up. Geez my tax dollars hard at work, geez.

For the posters who are actually honest, cold plasma nitriding is done under a vacuum. That is the process I was doing when I posted the picture in the OP. I was nitrating some bits for an oil rig, testing pump and gas flow.

I have always like the cool glow it makes as a reaction.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sokarul on October 04, 2019, 07:54:21 PM
When was the last time you called the bomb squad because you found a 30 year old hidden bottle of picric acid?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 08:36:23 PM
When was the last time you called the bomb squad because you found a 30 year old hidden bottle of picric acid?

I know that stuff is dangerous, and definitely not to pour it down the drain ha ha ha.

Does it become more volatile with age?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sokarul on October 04, 2019, 09:18:34 PM
You donít want it to dry out.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 04, 2019, 09:35:40 PM
You donít want it to dry out.

Isn't it basically just explosive salts at that point? If I remember correctly that's why you don't want to pour it down copper or iron.

Where did you find that at?
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sokarul on October 04, 2019, 11:07:13 PM
Itís not a salt.

The property has 15 buildings. Many from the 40ís. There is all sorts of hidden gems.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Denspressure on October 05, 2019, 02:14:13 AM
Gah! why didn't I think of that?

If its possible to lay it on its side, this would make the setup a lot easier. Now all you need is a simple slide, no complicated vertical shit!

You said it could theoretically pull a vacuum of 10-6, what? PSI, TORR?

What kind of vacuum have you pulled so far without concerns for structural integrity? Wouldn't want to risk damaging your asset because some internet weirdo's doubt basic science.


I got a high end computer setup, have rendered 4K video's as you've seen. It all depends how far you wanna go.
Do you want to stay simple, one or two camera's running over the length of the experiment. A simple video, to the point.

Or do you wanna go make it a full-on production, with multiple shots, camera angles, cuts, epic suspenseful music. Different shots and recordings of parts like the chamber, pump, console, engine. I would be all for that.

You know, if you really want get the larger flat earth community's attention it may be a good idea to make a trailer sort of thing. Basically you assembling the chamber and pulling a vacuum with some cool stuff inside like water or a balloon. If you get enough footage and shots of the different parts I can create a 2-4 minute trailer to build up hype and maybe get attention of some of the bigger YT channels and guys in FE. I know the setup and engine is still in the dev state but just showing such a large chamber should get us some attention.



Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sceptimatic on October 05, 2019, 03:23:18 AM
Judging by the welding around the vessel I'd say the structural integrity should not be in question, at all.
It's also not about pulling a vacuum, because pulling a vacuum implies sucking out atmosphere and anyone should know it's not about sucking but about allowing the pressure inside the vessel to expand out of the vessel by means of a pump to push back external atmosphere to allow it.

However, without arguing this it's about the strength of pump and as many experiments that can be done from that point on.

Clarity needs to be of the utmost importance, so real time has to be just that, along with clear and perfectly followed instructions for all experiments..
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Denspressure on October 05, 2019, 04:44:31 AM
Oh sceppy, how I love that you have been insulting CFC forever, doubting he even has a facility to do his job.

And now, like a cockcroach coming out from the cracks, start making demands.


Sure, raw footage will be provided also. Don't you worry, we know your mind can't handle aesthetic cuts!


Why must be it 'perfect' ? is this just an arbitrary demand you are booming from the sky, so whenever something is not to your liking, you can scowl foul? How very much in-character of you!
HAHAHA
Go ahead, post us some of your perfectly, clearly defined experiments.


We're waiting.

Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Stash on October 05, 2019, 04:45:20 AM
Judging by the welding around the vessel I'd say the structural integrity should not be in question, at all.
It's also not about pulling a vacuum, because pulling a vacuum implies sucking out atmosphere and anyone should know it's not about sucking but about allowing the pressure inside the vessel to expand out of the vessel by means of a pump to push back external atmosphere to allow it.

However, without arguing this it's about the strength of pump and as many experiments that can be done from that point on.

Clarity needs to be of the utmost importance, so real time has to be just that, along with clear and perfectly followed instructions for all experiments..

You just negated any all experiments right here: It's also not about pulling a vacuum, because pulling a vacuum implies sucking out atmosphere and anyone should know it's not about sucking but about allowing the pressure inside the vessel to expand out of the vessel by means of a pump to push back external atmosphere to allow it.





Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sceptimatic on October 06, 2019, 01:17:04 AM
Oh sceppy, how I love that you have been insulting CFC forever, doubting he even has a facility to do his job.

And now, like a cockcroach coming out from the cracks, start making demands.


Sure, raw footage will be provided also. Don't you worry, we know your mind can't handle aesthetic cuts!


Why must be it 'perfect' ? is this just an arbitrary demand you are booming from the sky, so whenever something is not to your liking, you can scowl foul? How very much in-character of you!
HAHAHA
Go ahead, post us some of your perfectly, clearly defined experiments.


We're waiting.

Feel free to spout anything you want but also stick to what's been said.
I don't trust anyone to just knock up any experiment and say it did this or that, unless I can verify it in such a way as to make it as difficult as possible to be manipulated.

If that vessel is put on show in order for it to be used for evacuation purposes then I'm sure CFC won't have any issues in following a set pattern laid out for experiments.

No real need for you get yourself worked up about it...you should (if you're genuine) be happy to do what's required, as you appear to have thrown your helmet into the ring.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sceptimatic on October 06, 2019, 01:18:24 AM
Judging by the welding around the vessel I'd say the structural integrity should not be in question, at all.
It's also not about pulling a vacuum, because pulling a vacuum implies sucking out atmosphere and anyone should know it's not about sucking but about allowing the pressure inside the vessel to expand out of the vessel by means of a pump to push back external atmosphere to allow it.

However, without arguing this it's about the strength of pump and as many experiments that can be done from that point on.

Clarity needs to be of the utmost importance, so real time has to be just that, along with clear and perfectly followed instructions for all experiments..

You just negated any all experiments right here: It's also not about pulling a vacuum, because pulling a vacuum implies sucking out atmosphere and anyone should know it's not about sucking but about allowing the pressure inside the vessel to expand out of the vessel by means of a pump to push back external atmosphere to allow it.
Nahhh, I haven't.
It doesn't matter how people think their vacuum is created with the vessel it only matters in  how the experiment goes in terms of what we're all arguing about with rockets and all kinds of stuff.

Nice try to get out of it though.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Stash on October 06, 2019, 02:40:56 AM
Judging by the welding around the vessel I'd say the structural integrity should not be in question, at all.
It's also not about pulling a vacuum, because pulling a vacuum implies sucking out atmosphere and anyone should know it's not about sucking but about allowing the pressure inside the vessel to expand out of the vessel by means of a pump to push back external atmosphere to allow it.

However, without arguing this it's about the strength of pump and as many experiments that can be done from that point on.

Clarity needs to be of the utmost importance, so real time has to be just that, along with clear and perfectly followed instructions for all experiments..

You just negated any all experiments right here: It's also not about pulling a vacuum, because pulling a vacuum implies sucking out atmosphere and anyone should know it's not about sucking but about allowing the pressure inside the vessel to expand out of the vessel by means of a pump to push back external atmosphere to allow it.
Nahhh, I haven't.
It doesn't matter how people think their vacuum is created with the vessel it only matters in  how the experiment goes in terms of what we're all arguing about with rockets and all kinds of stuff.

Nice try to get out of it though.

Paranoia runs deep. No trying to get out of anything. Just want to be clear for your folk. A vacuum is a vacuum. So any experiment in a vacuum should be just that. I don't think anyone around here has a desire to 'fake' anything. That's not the starting point, nor end point.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sceptimatic on October 06, 2019, 05:26:17 AM


Paranoia runs deep. No trying to get out of anything. Just want to be clear for your folk. A vacuum is a vacuum. So any experiment in a vacuum should be just that. I don't think anyone around here has a desire to 'fake' anything. That's not the starting point, nor end point.
Maybe scepticism may run deep with some stuff...but not paranoia. And for good reason as far as I'm concerned.
Too many yarns appear to have been spun to cater for an end product shown to be a realistic adornable item.

A low pressure is a low pressure but if the low pressure shows a so called theory to be incorrect, it can and certainly will be fudged in order to nullify the truth. That's how I view it in the many scenarios I've seen being pout to the so called test, whether it's Brian Cox and his little crew or mythbusters and their crew...etc.....etc....etc.

So just accept that things can and will be altered to show something different.
Whether CFC can get in the right people to aid him in proving a truth of any experiment put before him, remains to be seen. I hope he allows this to happen.

The issue is in getting one or two people from either side to verify experiments...obviously starting with the rocket that is basically mentioned as the main of why the vessel is apparently going to be used.

Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Denspressure on October 06, 2019, 02:16:17 PM
Go ahead then dipsht, for starters: How about you define exactly the requirements for the chamber and its adjacent parts.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: boydster on October 06, 2019, 03:46:02 PM
Hello friends. Let's remember when we are, and when we are not, in Angry Ranting please. Keep it civil.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sceptimatic on October 07, 2019, 10:00:40 PM
How about you define exactly the requirements for the chamber and its adjacent parts.
I will when I get feedback from CFC.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Denspressure on October 08, 2019, 09:57:43 AM
Your whole tirade is about to reach its crescendo. I wonder how this will end for you.
What you will make of it.

We'll see.

Make it enjoyable so you'll leave some emotional impact behind.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sokarul on October 08, 2019, 12:37:37 PM
It will end like last time: ďYou didnít do exactly what I said to do so your experiment is invalid.Ē 
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 09, 2019, 01:58:28 AM
How about you define exactly the requirements for the chamber and its adjacent parts.
I will when I get feedback from CFC.

I am all for making the experiment as transparent as humanly possible. Listening to everyone's suggestions in doing that and removing any possibility of "trickery", which can of course only be done with full transparency.

This involves cameras, angles, rocket design (the rocket itself as well as it's holder etc) and really anything else.

Though making a clear top for the unit, that would be further than I want to go. This is the only thing so far I am not willing to put the time and money into.
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Denspressure on October 09, 2019, 12:48:34 PM
CFC,

Just in case it ends up in your spam, I've send you a PM with some private matters. You may want to read it.

Dens
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: Bom Tishop on October 09, 2019, 12:59:42 PM
CFC,

Just in case it ends up in your spam, I've send you a PM with some private matters. You may want to read it.

Dens

Got it. Reply sent
Title: Re: Well after years it finally works.
Post by: sceptimatic on October 09, 2019, 02:43:32 PM
How about you define exactly the requirements for the chamber and its adjacent parts.
I will when I get feedback from CFC.

I am all for making the experiment as transparent as humanly possible. Listening to everyone's suggestions in doing that and removing any possibility of "trickery", which can of course only be done with full transparency.

This involves cameras, angles, rocket design (the rocket itself as well as it's holder etc) and really anything else.

Though making a clear top for the unit, that would be further than I want to go. This is the only thing so far I am not willing to put the time and money into.
Is the lid about 3 feet in diameter?
Can you not get hold of that size acrylic a few inches thick?
What would the cost be? $300?