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Title: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Crouton on August 10, 2019, 06:52:10 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/10/financier-jeffrey-epstein-commits-suicide-in-jail-1456256

Down goes epstein.

Hope this doesnt kill the investigation.
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Post by: JerkFace on August 10, 2019, 06:55:53 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/10/financier-jeffrey-epstein-commits-suicide-in-jail-1456256

Down goes epstein.

Hope this doesnt kill the investigation.

Seems strangely convenient.

Not that I'm suspicious.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 10, 2019, 07:06:34 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/10/financier-jeffrey-epstein-commits-suicide-in-jail-1456256

Down goes epstein.

Hope this doesnt kill the investigation.

Did he suicide himself twice in the back of the head?
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 10, 2019, 07:17:31 AM
He was on suicide watch and still managed to hang himself.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on August 10, 2019, 07:49:35 AM
Of course that happened.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on August 10, 2019, 08:13:20 AM
It could be a hit.  Not denying that.  If there's any situation that would compel it then it's this one.

But I think a guy that's smart enough to scam his way to becoming a billionaire and running an international sex slave ring is also smart enough to kill himself in prison.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 10, 2019, 08:18:55 AM
When they really think someone might commit suicide in jail they put them in a cell without anything. No clothes, no blankets, etc. It wouldn't surprise me if they took him off suicide watch, and let it happen.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on August 10, 2019, 08:36:42 AM
Yeah it could be guards that just didn't like him.  Child rapists don't do well in prison.  I hear they really haven't thoroughly investigated this yet though so we'll see.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 10, 2019, 08:45:18 AM
Good news-one less scumbag in the world

Bad news-makes it harder to catch the other scumbags
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on August 10, 2019, 09:15:36 AM
When they really think someone might commit suicide in jail they put them in a cell without anything. No clothes, no blankets, etc. It wouldn't surprise me if they took him off suicide watch, and let it happen.
I read somewhere that they took him off suicide watch, can't confirm it. It's not very easy to have fun in prison even if not on suicide watch though.

Very convenient.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 10, 2019, 09:59:38 AM
Ha
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on August 10, 2019, 10:15:11 AM
You're aware he associates with powerful people from both sides right?
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 10:16:46 AM
I'm actually wondering why Hillary is the target/murderer when Bill is the one who was chummy.  Bill could go down, but I'm pretty sure Hillary wouldn't.  Ssoooo.... Why would she do something and not Bill?
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 10, 2019, 10:17:28 AM
You're aware he associates with powerful people from both sides right?

Yes, and if see any memes I'll post those also ;
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 10, 2019, 10:33:03 AM
This is all I can find so far
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 10, 2019, 10:44:29 AM
Everywhere I lurk on the internet people are suddenly conspiracy theorists! IT'S GLORIOUS.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 10, 2019, 10:45:57 AM
Does anyone even care about this dude... Good riddance, less tax dollars for me.

I hope Hillary had something to do with this so I can finally say something nice about her
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 10, 2019, 10:49:33 AM
No, but without him alive there is the risk that all the other criminals who worked with him will get away with it now. All the wealthy men who used the young women he trafficked can breathe easy.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on August 10, 2019, 11:09:33 AM
Does anyone even care about this dude... Good riddance, less tax dollars for me.

I hope Hillary had something to do with this so I can finally say something nice about her
Him dying before trial only helped the people he was complicit with and could name.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: JerkFace on August 10, 2019, 07:45:45 PM
No, but without him alive there is the risk that all the other criminals who worked with him will get away with it now. All the wealthy men who used the young women he trafficked can breathe easy.

Wow, the conspiracy mill is in overdrive. 

The fact that they unsealed the court documents just 24 hours before he was found dead.   Seems to support the straight forward suicide theory.   

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/new-details-in-unsealed-jeffrey-epstein-documents

So the cat was already out of the bag. 

So, the truth is probably that he was a scumbag who couldn't face the music when he was finally exposed. 

Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on August 10, 2019, 08:41:46 PM
Yeah I'm not a huge believer in conspiracies. But I'm keeping an open mind on this.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on August 11, 2019, 03:06:26 AM
No, but without him alive there is the risk that all the other criminals who worked with him will get away with it now. All the wealthy men who used the young women he trafficked can breathe easy.

Wow, the conspiracy mill is in overdrive. 

The fact that they unsealed the court documents just 24 hours before he was found dead.   Seems to support the straight forward suicide theory.   

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/new-details-in-unsealed-jeffrey-epstein-documents

So the cat was already out of the bag. 

So, the truth is probably that he was a scumbag who couldn't face the music when he was finally exposed.
The cat wasn't out of the bag. If the only further light that could be set on the case was the court documents, then the cat was never in the bag in the first place. These court documents weren't even directly related to Epstein's case. The "cat" was him potentially snitching information we didn't know. But it seems like the dude very conveniently managed to kill himself even though he had already tried (so supposedly he should be on suicide watch) in the supposedly high security prison where El Chapo and the 93' WTC terrorists were also held. It's hard enough to have fun in prison, let alone if you are in a pretty highs security one and suspected of attempting to have fun. Someone at the very least ignored him doing it, this is wayyyy too convenient.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 13, 2019, 10:02:39 AM
We should have started an Epstein thread, but since we didn't and there's probably not much more that's going to come of it.. Buzzfeed posted an article stating that the details of Epstein's death were posted on 4chan before the media posted anything about it https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-investigating-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post

If anyone wants a thread dedicated to Epstein, tell me and I'll go through this thread and split it out. MAYBE, shit that could be a pain in the ass. lol
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Crouton on August 13, 2019, 10:18:27 AM
Done. 

To be clear I was trying to avert a possible flamewar.  But this is a worthy topic of its own thread.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Crouton on August 13, 2019, 10:21:09 AM


A new podcast.  Some of the people are from Chapo Trap House.  I don't know how serious these people are.  But there are a bizarre amount of really weird details about Epstein.  This was released before his suicide.
Title: Re: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on August 13, 2019, 10:25:41 AM
We should have started an Epstein thread, but since we didn't and there's probably not much more that's going to come of it.. Buzzfeed posted an article stating that the details of Epstein's death were posted on 4chan before the media posted anything about it https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-investigating-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post

If anyone wants a thread dedicated to Epstein, tell me and I'll go through this thread and split it out. MAYBE, shit that could be a pain in the ass. lol
What is "hanging, cardiac arrest" supposed to mean?

Aaanyways in all likelihood that's just one of the myriads of people who made random guesses. Though there is probably something going on with Epstein's death, I'm pretty sure the frogs don't know about it.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 13, 2019, 10:27:25 AM
Now if some of these accusers start mysteriously disappearing/dying, then I might start thinking conspiracy.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 13, 2019, 10:37:28 AM


A new podcast.  Some of the people are from Chapo Trap House.  I don't know how serious these people are.  But there are a bizarre amount of really weird details about Epstein.  This was released before his suicide.
CTH are mostly for comedy but they don't usually peddle nonsense. I don't listen to their podcast a lot but I know they're not nuts. I'm gonna watch this later.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 13, 2019, 10:48:24 AM
Done. 

To be clear I was trying to avert a possible flamewar.  But this is a worthy topic of its own thread.

Oh, I know. I was thinking about starting an Epstein thread back when Miami Herald started exposing him, but I didn't and then more stuff started coming out, then he committed suicide, etc. lol
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 13, 2019, 10:53:29 AM
Also check out some Bob Fitrakis guy who may or may not be a conspiracy theorist but spoke about Epstein and Wexler long before the first investigation started.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 13, 2019, 10:59:29 AM


Tim Pool gets in on the conspiracy!
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Crouton on August 13, 2019, 11:05:46 AM
What's unique about this is that conspiracy theorists on the left and the right can get in on the action since Epstein had well documented ties to both Trump and Clinton.

Where is Alex Jones when we need him?!
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 13, 2019, 11:06:15 AM
I think everyone is into on this conspiracy tbh.

But the funny thing is that all the anonymous supersoldiers investigating pizzagate never even talked about Epstein a few years ago, even though it was all public information lol.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 13, 2019, 11:06:38 AM
If anyone is interested in what anonymous has to say about Epstein https://twitter.com/hashtag/OpDeathEaters?src=hashtag_click
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 15, 2019, 03:13:58 AM
Lmao the doctor supervising Epstein's autopsy is the same guy who investigated the JFK and MLK murders. You can't make this shit up, it's like they're intentionally trying to make it as suspicious as possible.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Baden
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on August 15, 2019, 03:16:37 AM
He's 85!
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Slemon on August 15, 2019, 03:29:42 AM
Well, he wasn't on suicide watch, he was mysteriously taken off it a couple of days before his death. And people heard 'shrieking and yelling' coming from his cell on the morning of his death, but that was totally the guards yelling 'breathe, Epstein, breathe!'
I don't see what could possibly be suspicious.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 15, 2019, 03:42:05 AM
He served life in prison.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Lorddave on August 15, 2019, 03:54:16 AM
I heard his neck was broken....
While he was kneeling...
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 15, 2019, 04:20:27 AM
I heard he chewed off his own dick
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 15, 2019, 06:02:32 AM
Well, he wasn't on suicide watch, he was mysteriously taken off it a couple of days before his death. And people heard 'shrieking and yelling' coming from his cell on the morning of his death, but that was totally the guards yelling 'breathe, Epstein, breathe!'
I don't see what could possibly be suspicious.
Wait, who are you?
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Slemon on August 15, 2019, 06:39:52 AM
Well, he wasn't on suicide watch, he was mysteriously taken off it a couple of days before his death. And people heard 'shrieking and yelling' coming from his cell on the morning of his death, but that was totally the guards yelling 'breathe, Epstein, breathe!'
I don't see what could possibly be suspicious.
Wait, who are you?
Slemon.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 15, 2019, 06:58:56 AM
There was a politifact article in the paper today fact checking the conspiracy! lol
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 15, 2019, 08:01:02 AM
Well, he wasn't on suicide watch, he was mysteriously taken off it a couple of days before his death. And people heard 'shrieking and yelling' coming from his cell on the morning of his death, but that was totally the guards yelling 'breathe, Epstein, breathe!'
I don't see what could possibly be suspicious.
Wait, who are you?
Slemon.
I can't keep track of all the changing usernames.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Lorddave on August 15, 2019, 09:01:25 AM
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1161703815806148608?s=19
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: JerkFace on August 15, 2019, 09:39:58 AM
So maybe not suicide after all....  Time to call in Sherlock Holmes,  the game is afoot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/autopsy-finds-broken-bones-in-jeffrey-epsteins-neck-deepening-questions-around-his-death/2019/08/14/d09ac934-bdd9-11e9-b873-63ace636af08_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 15, 2019, 10:17:59 AM
I think at this point the crackpot theory is that there is no conspiracy.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 15, 2019, 11:44:13 AM
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1161703815806148608?s=19

This is an exellent twitter thread.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: John Davis on August 15, 2019, 11:52:27 AM
A conspiracy around this seems silly; its far more likely he offed himself or a guard did it because he was a disgusting person.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 15, 2019, 12:54:32 PM
It is kinda funny being on the FES forum and reading a post about how a conspiracy around the death of Epstein is silly lol.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: markjo on August 15, 2019, 12:57:59 PM
From what I've heard, the mortality rate for sex offenders in prison is disproportionately high, especially for pedophiles.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/prison-living-hell-pedophiles/story?id=90004
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 15, 2019, 01:08:05 PM
But the question is, can someone break bones in their neck from doing what Epstein allegedly did--wrapping the sheet around his neck, tying it to the bunk bed, and slowly falling forward to asphyxiate himself.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 15, 2019, 01:09:26 PM
From what I've heard, the mortality rate for sex offenders in prison is disproportionately high, especially for pedophiles.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/prison-living-hell-pedophiles/story?id=90004
Yes, usually because people kill them etc.

No one was in the cell.

They pulled him out of suicide watch for an unknown reason.

They put him in a cell on his own against protocol (he was supposed to be in a cell with another prisoner to watch him if he tries to off himself).

The guards were not watching him, again against protocol.

Apparently there was no surveillance camera either?

Autopsy shows a bone broke which doesn't usually break in cases of suicide by hanging but does break by strangulation. Also even in the cases where that bone does break by hanging it requires more force.

His trial wasn't over yet and he probably had things to tell which would implicate a lot of people.

His connections to powerful individuals are well known.

He also has suspected connections to intelligence agencies.

There is a good chance he had dirt on a lot of people.

At this point I am 90% sure he was either killed to shut his mouth and send message to everyone else involved in the case to shut up and be careful, or at least someone payed or convinced the guards to look away while he offed himself.

Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Crouton on August 15, 2019, 01:12:07 PM
When you're hanging someone you're intentionally trying to break their neck to kill them.  You want a solid knot and the rope tied to a very sturdy place.  Then you need a jump from a few feet up in the air.  Exactly how high depends on the weight of the person being hanged.  To low will fail to break the neck and cause a slow and painful suffocation death.  To high will pull a head clean off.

If someone has suffocated to death while hanging then that's a botched execution.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 15, 2019, 01:29:06 PM
When you're hanging someone you're intentionally trying to break their neck to kill them.  You want a solid knot and the rope tied to a very sturdy place.  Then you need a jump from a few feet up in the air.  Exactly how high depends on the weight of the person being hanged.  To low will fail to break the neck and cause a slow and painful suffocation death.  To high will pull a head clean off.

If someone has suffocated to death while hanging then that's a botched execution.
It's common for people who hang themselves to death to die by suffocation, they don't always have enough drop distance to break their necks. That particular bone doesn't typically break in cases of hanging. Epstein supposedly hanged himself by kneeling from his bed. Idk how feasible it is to break your neck like that.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Crouton on August 15, 2019, 01:39:28 PM
When you're hanging someone you're intentionally trying to break their neck to kill them.  You want a solid knot and the rope tied to a very sturdy place.  Then you need a jump from a few feet up in the air.  Exactly how high depends on the weight of the person being hanged.  To low will fail to break the neck and cause a slow and painful suffocation death.  To high will pull a head clean off.

If someone has suffocated to death while hanging then that's a botched execution.
It's common for people who hang themselves to death to die by suffocation, they don't always have enough drop distance to break their necks. That particular bone doesn't typically break in cases of hanging. Epstein supposedly hanged himself by kneeling from his bed. Idk how feasible it is to break your neck like that.

Maybe a bunk bed if he pulled his legs up and jumped off.  I'll have to see if I can find a picture of this cell.

Another thought I just had, maybe this was an autoerotic asphyxiation related death.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 15, 2019, 01:40:53 PM
It's crazy this has joined people who believe in conspiracy theories and those that don't....

I didn't think there was something that could do that (I mean it's obvious there is foul play in this)
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 15, 2019, 01:57:04 PM
When you're hanging someone you're intentionally trying to break their neck to kill them.  You want a solid knot and the rope tied to a very sturdy place.  Then you need a jump from a few feet up in the air.  Exactly how high depends on the weight of the person being hanged.  To low will fail to break the neck and cause a slow and painful suffocation death.  To high will pull a head clean off.

If someone has suffocated to death while hanging then that's a botched execution.
It's common for people who hang themselves to death to die by suffocation, they don't always have enough drop distance to break their necks. That particular bone doesn't typically break in cases of hanging. Epstein supposedly hanged himself by kneeling from his bed. Idk how feasible it is to break your neck like that.

Maybe a bunk bed if he pulled his legs up and jumped off.  I'll have to see if I can find a picture of this cell.

Another thought I just had, maybe this was an autoerotic asphyxiation related death.
I don't think cells have something on the ceiling to hang yourself from. I think the story is that he tied the sheets around a bar and kneeled forward.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 15, 2019, 02:57:44 PM
When you're hanging someone you're intentionally trying to break their neck to kill them.  You want a solid knot and the rope tied to a very sturdy place.  Then you need a jump from a few feet up in the air.  Exactly how high depends on the weight of the person being hanged.  To low will fail to break the neck and cause a slow and painful suffocation death.  To high will pull a head clean off.

If someone has suffocated to death while hanging then that's a botched execution.
It's common for people who hang themselves to death to die by suffocation, they don't always have enough drop distance to break their necks. That particular bone doesn't typically break in cases of hanging. Epstein supposedly hanged himself by kneeling from his bed. Idk how feasible it is to break your neck like that.

Maybe a bunk bed if he pulled his legs up and jumped off.  I'll have to see if I can find a picture of this cell.

Another thought I just had, maybe this was an autoerotic asphyxiation related death.
I don't think cells have something on the ceiling to hang yourself from. I think the story is that he tied the sheets around a bar and kneeled forward.

Correct, I'm no doctor but to me it would take more force than that to break a neck vertebrae.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: markjo on August 15, 2019, 02:58:42 PM
But the question is, can someone break bones in their neck from doing what Epstein allegedly did--wrapping the sheet around his neck, tying it to the bunk bed, and slowly falling forward to asphyxiate himself.

Apparently yes.  Bones (including neck bones) tend to get more brittle with age and such fractures are not uncommon in suicides.
Quote from: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-s-autopsy-found-broken-neck-bone-source-says-n1042741
While there's still no indication of foul play, questions have been swirling around the death of Epstein since last Saturday when he was found unresponsive in his federal jail cell. But experts say the disclosure that he broke his hyoid bone, a small horseshoe-shaped bone near the base of the human jaw, provides no reason to doubt that Epstein killed himself.

"It wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibilities, with no evidence of foul play, that he hanged himself and got the hyoid fracture that way,” said NBC News medical correspondent Dr. John Torres. "That wouldn’t be unusual."

Torres said hyoid fractures grow more likely for older adults and studies show them to occur in roughly 25 percent of hanging deaths and 35 percent of strangulation deaths.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: John Davis on August 15, 2019, 03:42:04 PM
What markjo said, or: he broke it with his arm and body on purpose.

I'm not saying it couldn't have been a conspiracy, but if it was, it was a shit-show of a job.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Lorddave on August 15, 2019, 04:29:37 PM
But the question is, can someone break bones in their neck from doing what Epstein allegedly did--wrapping the sheet around his neck, tying it to the bunk bed, and slowly falling forward to asphyxiate himself.

Apparently yes.  Bones (including neck bones) tend to get more brittle with age and such fractures are not uncommon in suicides.
Quote from: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-s-autopsy-found-broken-neck-bone-source-says-n1042741
While there's still no indication of foul play, questions have been swirling around the death of Epstein since last Saturday when he was found unresponsive in his federal jail cell. But experts say the disclosure that he broke his hyoid bone, a small horseshoe-shaped bone near the base of the human jaw, provides no reason to doubt that Epstein killed himself.

"It wouldnít be out of the realm of possibilities, with no evidence of foul play, that he hanged himself and got the hyoid fracture that way,Ē said NBC News medical correspondent Dr. John Torres. "That wouldnít be unusual."

Torres said hyoid fractures grow more likely for older adults and studies show them to occur in roughly 25 percent of hanging deaths and 35 percent of strangulation deaths.


Wait... A fracture of the hyoid?  I thought it was a vertebre, not that.  Sheesh, and here we got worked up over nothing.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 16, 2019, 12:56:58 AM
The 25% study apparently had a small sample size. I saw another study with a much larger sample size which claimed it was 6%. So it might be lower. And the cases where that does happen typically requireore force, I'm not sure kneeling forward could have enough force.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 16, 2019, 01:05:06 AM
If someone doesn't see something wrong with this story I am not sure what to say.

The interesting thing about this....those that typical say there is a conspiracy, reject there is something wrong. Those that usually say there is no conspiracy are declaring foul play
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on August 16, 2019, 01:30:16 AM

Canít believe there isnít a Royal Family (UK) option, the Duke of York (Air miles Andy) not only is a slimy cretin who was a friend and alleged ďclientĒ but has some very unsavoury acquaintances, including Kazak oil barons, Tunisian money launderers and Libyan gun runners.

And as everybody knows the royals are lizard/illuminate/New world order murderers of Princess Dií they are a shoe in for a cover up assassination.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Lorddave on August 16, 2019, 01:56:09 AM
If someone doesn't see something wrong with this story I am not sure what to say.

The interesting thing about this....those that typical say there is a conspiracy, reject there is something wrong. Those that usually say there is no conspiracy are declaring foul play

Something is wrong.  But it could be as simple as "dumbass guards" or as big as "murdered"
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: markjo on August 16, 2019, 07:17:03 AM
Wait... A fracture of the hyoid?  I thought it was a vertebre, not that.  Sheesh, and here we got worked up over nothing.
Since when do conspiracy theorists bother waiting for the facts or read beyond the sensational headlines?
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 16, 2019, 07:42:30 AM
If there was a conspiracy, it was in allowing him the time and the means to kill himself. On the other hand, prisons all across the US are overcrowded and understaffed.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 16, 2019, 02:42:07 PM
The Epstein medical examiner ruled his death a suicide.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/medical-examiner-rules-epstein-death-a-suicide-by-hanging/ar-AAFU4YS?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Crouton on August 16, 2019, 03:02:27 PM
Which is exactly what they would say if they were conspiring to murder him!

This is further proof of a coverup.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 16, 2019, 03:09:29 PM
Which is exactly what they would say if they were conspiring to murder him!

This is further proof of a coverup.

That is the only logical conclusion.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 16, 2019, 04:46:30 PM
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epsteins-bodyguard-igor-zinoviev-on-his-old-boss.html

This is an interview with Epstein's former bodyguard/driver. I'm cutting out most of it, but it's interesting. Also, Igor doesn't have the best English. Anyway, I snipped out the part that has to do with the conspiracy.

The bold is the interviewer

Quote
It was four years ago. You may not remember what you told me. I kept very good notes of what you and I said. It must come across as very harsh. But itís the truth. Iím happy to understand a little better. Heís not alive. You donít have anything to be afraid of anymore.

Iím not afraid. Beyond that just he is dead. I donít want anything to be uncorrect. Thereís too much shit in here, you know, already. Heís dead and just like, freaking people, just leave him alone.

Hold on. When did you find out he died?

Saturday or Sunday or whenever.

What did you think when you found that out?

What did I think?

Yeah.

Are you sure you want to hear what I am going to think?

Yeah.

Somebody helped him to do that.

You think somebody helped him kill himself?

Yeah.

Okay. Why?

Listen, you know, thatís going a little too deep.

I mean, Iím just trying to understand that maybe youíd be happy he was dead or you would be upset. I donít know. Are you even feeling anything?

Iím not sad. I mean, I didnít have anything against him, like a bad thing, you know? I donít care about his life completely. I donít give a, letís say, like, crap about how he die, how he live, or how heís managed.

I'm skipping some of the interview, and I don't know if the next bit has anything to do with the conspiracy, but Igor is paranoid.

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I get that. But you and I have a history at this point. One thing you told me, for instance ó okay, one thing you told me is he got a heads up when the authorities were going to come to his house the night before.

Listen, what you say is between you and me ó

You told me he would get phone calls the night before and eight oíclock the police are going to come. He would get a heads up from local police.

[Silence.]

You told me that, Igor. Want me to read the quote?

Well, you can read whatever you want right now. Donít just ó you can put yourself in big trouble.

You said: ďHe always do something wrong. There was some nights in question. There was at home arrest and police, before they come to the house, they call him and tell him they coming in at eight oíclock in the morning. Itís all corruption you know. Itís all bullshit.Ē

Listen, donít put yourself in trouble. Seriously.

We talked about this.

I understand we got this.

Iím telling you to give you a chance to remember because we talked about this stuff. I know itís hard. I donít know what you mean about ďput myself in trouble.Ē

Let that go. Seriously. Let that go.

Why is it so important? Are you worried about the local cops?

Listen, youíre really smart and Iím not going to offer that over the phone right now, okay? Youíre really smart. You have no idea. Please!

What do you mean by that?

I canít explain you. I canít explain you over the phone any of this.

You said that last time. And we didnít talk for years. You can tell the world who this guy was. You were with him for a long time. You know what I mean?

[Silence.]

I totally understand that you think he could have had help committing suicide.

First of all, I have to go right now. I have another client.

Still training people?

Yes. But just be careful. Iím not kidding.

Whatís your email so I can send you ó

Donít do any kind of that stuff. Just donít play it. Seriously.

Can you tell me why?

I canít. I canít.

May I ask you one more question?

Go ahead.

Have you been talking to anyone in the government, the FBI? Have they come to you?

[Long pause] Um. Great talking to you. Seriously. We talk later.

Really?

Bye.

All right. 

Bye.

Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 16, 2019, 06:12:59 PM

Another thought I just had, maybe this was an autoerotic asphyxiation related death.

Eating a KFC $5 Fill Up.
Just got to the biscuit.
Half of which is now lodged in my sinus.


 >:(




Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 17, 2019, 02:38:27 PM
The correctional officers have already admitted they falsified their records. One of them was "volunteering" and wasn't a regular correctional officer.

Various people have gone from "the broken hyoid doesn't necessarily mean he was murdered" to "it means he wasn't murdered". The broken hyoid gives more credence to the murder hypothesis, it's not the reason people suspect he was murdered. The sheer number of convenient coincidences is very hard to disregard.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2019, 06:15:20 PM
Various people have gone from "the broken hyoid doesn't necessarily mean he was murdered" to "it means he wasn't murdered". The broken hyoid gives more credence to the murder hypothesis, it's not the reason people suspect he was murdered. The sheer number of convenient coincidences is very hard to disregard.
Others have said that the broken hyroid bone needs to considered in the fuller context of all of the evidence (much of which the general public doesn't have access to).
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Crouton on August 18, 2019, 06:08:09 PM


Hmmm...

Apparently this broken bone is more of an indication of homicide than suicide.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Pezevenk on August 22, 2019, 05:09:52 AM
This is a good set of notes of the suspicious stuff:
https://deponysum.com/2019/08/13/epstein-death-sanity-notes/
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 28, 2019, 05:50:00 PM
https://twitter.com/NewYorkFBI/status/1166805052687880195?s=20

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FBI New York
@NewYorkFBI
We are renewing our appeal for any possible victims of Jeffrey Epstein to contact us at 1-800-CALL-FBI.  If you have been victimized by Epstein, we would really like to hear from you.