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Title: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 18, 2019, 08:40:23 PM
Weather satellite imagery is easily verifiable by looking up in the sky.  You can see when clouds are about to clear out on those inages taken from orbit. Those satellites have to follow orbital mechanics or they would crash into the Earth.  They barely have enough fuel to make minor course corrections, let alone power to stay aloft.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 19, 2019, 02:37:04 AM
your magical satellites have never been observed. you spend millions of dollars to send each satellite into space. but you don't put a $ 1000 camera in any of them to prove its existence. Is it convincing? Nope.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Unconvinced on July 19, 2019, 03:41:04 AM
your magical satellites have never been observed. you spend millions of dollars to send each satellite into space. but you don't put a $ 1000 camera in any of them to prove its existence. Is it convincing? Nope.

True.  The cameras on weather satellites probably cost significantly more than $1000.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 19, 2019, 03:49:15 AM
your magical satellites have never been observed. you spend millions of dollars to send each satellite into space. but you don't put a $ 1000 camera in any of them to prove its existence. Is it convincing? Nope.

Not only do they have cameras, but I can tell you when they are about to pass overhead at night and you can look up in the night sky at the right time and see them passing by. 
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 19, 2019, 08:00:33 AM
your magical satellites have never been observed. you spend millions of dollars to send each satellite into space. but you don't put a $ 1000 camera in any of them to prove its existence. Is it convincing? Nope.
You want them to take selfies now?  Anyway, you just dismiss photos from space, so why would this be different?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 19, 2019, 12:38:48 PM
Ahahah. I like to see you the globulards in pain.  ;D

All we know, comparatively the cost of camera is nothing compared to cost of satellites.

I have seen only a few cameras on rockets and then all we seen that the space isn't space they told us; right?



We have clearly heard a "plop" like something jumped to a pool.  ;D

NASA has 20 billions of dollars budget, but has not enough money to connect a camera will show a rocket from launching to the orbit. They are poor. Having 20 billions isn't proving their being rich, maybe their money is going elsewhere.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: inquisitive on July 19, 2019, 02:03:27 PM
Ahahah. I like to see you the globulards in pain.  ;D

All we know, comparatively the cost of camera is nothing compared to cost of satellites.

I have seen only a few cameras on rockets and then all we seen that the space isn't space they told us; right?

We have clearly heard a "plop" like something jumped to a pool.  ;D

NASA has 20 billions of dollars budget, but has not enough money to connect a camera will show a rocket from launching to the orbit. They are poor. Having 20 billions isn't proving their being rich, maybe their money is going elsewhere.
What is your point?  Still waiting for transmitter locations for satellite receivers.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 19, 2019, 02:08:50 PM
Ahahah. I like to see you the globulards in pain.  ;D

All we know, comparatively the cost of camera is nothing compared to cost of satellites.

I have seen only a few cameras on rockets and then all we seen that the space isn't space they told us; right?

We have clearly heard a "plop" like something jumped to a pool.  ;D

NASA has 20 billions of dollars budget, but has not enough money to connect a camera will show a rocket from launching to the orbit. They are poor. Having 20 billions isn't proving their being rich, maybe their money is going elsewhere.
What is your point?  Still waiting for transmitter locations for satellite receivers.

I am trying to answer all your sincere statements but you are numerically so many so that I can't reply all of the statements phsically, and statements of globulalists here are generally not at all sincere . My point still I am waiting a realtime real video.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: sokarul on July 19, 2019, 03:05:19 PM
Ahahah. I like to see you the globulards in pain.  ;D

All we know, comparatively the cost of camera is nothing compared to cost of satellites.

I have seen only a few cameras on rockets and then all we seen that the space isn't space they told us; right?



We have clearly heard a "plop" like something jumped to a pool.  ;D

NASA has 20 billions of dollars budget, but has not enough money to connect a camera will show a rocket from launching to the orbit. They are poor. Having 20 billions isn't proving their being rich, maybe their money is going elsewhere.
The rocket deployed an anti spin mechanism. Its been covered many times.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 19, 2019, 03:29:28 PM
Quote from: inquisitive link=topic=82387.msg2188644#msg2188644


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What is your point?  Still waiting for transmitter locations for satellite receivers.

I am trying to answer all your sincere statements but you are numerically so many so that I can't reply all of the statements phsically, and statements of globulalists here are generally not at all sincere . My point still I am waiting a realtime real video.

Since when do FEers believe in video/photographic proof?

 Wither way, there is a continuous live video feed from the International Space Station you can track.  You can go outside at night an wait for it to pass over you and see it with your own two eyes above you.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 19, 2019, 04:10:02 PM
All we know, comparatively the cost of camera is nothing compared to cost of satellites.

I have seen only a few cameras on rockets and then all we seen that the space isn't space they told us; right?
Really? What is not right about space?

Quote from: wise
NASA has 20 billions of dollars budget, but has not enough money to connect a camera will show a rocket from launching to the orbit. They are poor. Having 20 billions isn't proving their being rich, maybe their money is going elsewhere.

Inside a Rocket From Take Off To Orbit (External Cameras) in HD



Rocket cam shots from launch to orbit, AtlasV launch of the #OA7 mission for Orbital ATK and NASA



Dashcam on a Space Shuttle - FRONT WINDOW launch


And weather satellites have far better cameras photographing earth!

Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 19, 2019, 08:03:53 PM
I have seen only a few cameras on rockets and then all we seen that the space isn't space they told us; right?
No, we never see that space isn't what they told us.

We have clearly heard a "plop" like something jumped to a pool.  ;D
This has been explained to you repeatedly.
Why do you keep bringing it up?

It is nothing like jumping into a pool. It is the yo-yo despin mechanism activating.
If it was running into a pool the rocket would have been destroyed.

NASA has 20 billions of dollars budget, but has not enough money to connect a camera will show a rocket from launching to the orbit.
The question isn't if they have enough money, it is what purpose does it serve and just what footage do you want?

You previously spoke about satellites, not rockets, now you jump over to rockets.
Did you mean video footage like this:

Just so you can dismiss it as fake?
Or do you want video of a satellite in a cargo hold, showing nothing until the satellite is released, so you can then dismiss that as fake?

Your objections are irrelevant.
Even if there was no video footage of a satellite going into orbit, it does nothing to indicate that the satellites are fake.
A rational objection needs to deal with the evidence that does exist rather than complaining about a particular type of evidence not existing.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: fjr66 on July 19, 2019, 09:51:56 PM

Where does rocket booster falling to after separation?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Stash on July 19, 2019, 10:04:52 PM

Where does rocket booster falling to after separation?

Ocean:

Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 19, 2019, 11:39:32 PM
Where does rocket booster falling to after separation?
Typically the ocean. If you watch the video you see it at around 7 minutes.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 20, 2019, 02:26:41 AM
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Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 20, 2019, 02:29:06 AM

Inside a Rocket From Take Off To Orbit (External Cameras) in HD[/b]

Rocket cam shots from launch to orbit, AtlasV launch of the #OA7 mission for Orbital ATK and NASA[/b]

Dashcam on a Space Shuttle - FRONT WINDOW launch[/b]


The first one:



Rocket clearly begins to move horizontally after 2 minutes voyage. The goal is to fall into Antarctica. The speed appearently seems not more than 2.000 kms/h.

The fastest fighter aircraft in the world X-15 has a record speed of 7,200 km / h.

Patriot air defence rocket has to be faster than other rockets to catch them. Its speed 1,4 km/seconds= 5,000 km/h.

Nasa claims its rockets move 20 km/seconds. If it was really so, so no need to defence companies, lets give all the defence to NASA. It just a joke, you know. Nasa says what it needs only. It completely a lie. This is the speed of fastest vehicles in earth.

from this example, we see that a fast plane can be faster than a fast rocket. This is the highest speed. 7200 km / h. Moreover, this speed is not climbing speed. the speed during climbing is half that. So this rocket can be going no more than 3,600 km / h.

Lets calculate its maximum altitude:

2 minutes * 3600km/h /60 h/min = 120 kms. This is highest altitude. This altitude meanwhile approximate upper limit of the sky dome.



The second one climbs 2 minutes again. Then starts to move to Antarctica.

We know where they go. This is the Russian space shuttle over Abu Dabi.



rockets always go south, not because the equator is in the south, but because the antarctica is in the south.

What happens if a rocket touches the sky dome mistakenly when moving parallel to it? This happens:



Remind; When hits, this one:



Arent everything clear? There are a water barreer rockets can't pass but swim in it. for a long time you all said that it is physically possible. you said that the separation of the part of the rocket caused it. Now you realize that this is impossible and you start to say fake. your defense is not convincing.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 20, 2019, 03:21:04 AM
from this example, we see that a fast plane can be faster than a fast rocket. This is the highest speed. 7200 km / h. Moreover, this speed is not climbing speed. the speed during climbing is half that. So this rocket can be going no more than 3,600 km / h.
No, we see none of that.
That number is just your baseless assertion.
We have the footage of it going to space.
You making up numbers to pretend it hasn't gone to space wont help your case.

Remind; When hits, this one:
Why repost the same refuted garbage as if it wasn't just refuted?
That isn't hitting a dome.
Do you know how we can tell?
It doesn't disintegrate.
It remains intact.
If it hit the dome it would be more like this:

Notice how the much slower moving jet complete disintegrates?
There is no jet left.
So no, that is not hitting a dome.

Arent everything clear?
Yes, it is clear.
Rockets go to space.
Satellites are in space.
You have absolutely no rational objection to this and are grasping at whatever straws you can to pretend they can't exist so you can pretend Earth is flat.

Now how about you address the topic of the OP? The very real imagery provided by many satellites?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Stash on July 20, 2019, 03:39:33 AM
Remind; When hits, this one:



Arent everything clear? There are a water barreer rockets can't pass but swim in it. for a long time you all said that it is physically possible. you said that the separation of the part of the rocket caused it. Now you realize that this is impossible and you start to say fake. your defense is not convincing.

We've been over this ten times with you. Even the guy who made the video got schooled on what a yo-yo deadspin mechanism is and posted a video showing the rocket in question found and intact and not like it hit a 'dome' at hundreds of miles per hour. The closing words of his follow-up video, "So it didn't hit the dome, I hope that explains it for everyone."

Here:

Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 20, 2019, 03:43:22 AM
Remind; When hits, this one:



Arent everything clear? There are a water barreer rockets can't pass but swim in it. for a long time you all said that it is physically possible. you said that the separation of the part of the rocket caused it. Now you realize that this is impossible and you start to say fake. your defense is not convincing.

We've been over this ten times with you. Even the guy who made the video got schooled on what a yo-yo deadspin mechanism is and posted a video showing the rocket in question found and intact and not like it hit a 'dome' at hundreds of miles per hour. The closing words of his follow-up video, "So it didn't hit the dome, I hope that explains it for everyone."

Here:



It explains why it stopped spinning, not why it stopped forward motion.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 20, 2019, 03:53:33 AM
It explains why it stopped spinning, not why it stopped forward motion.
That's good, because it doesn't stop forward motion. Instead it continued on its way, slowing down due to gravity.
You can see this in the original footage where the features on the ground appear to get smaller.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 20, 2019, 03:54:40 AM
Ahahah. I like to see you the globulards in pain.  ;D

All we know, comparatively the cost of camera is nothing compared to cost of satellites.

I have seen only a few cameras on rockets and then all we seen that the space isn't space they told us; right?



We have clearly heard a "plop" like something jumped to a pool.  ;D
The "plop" is not caused by the rocket hitting anything but is the yo-yo de-spin device being released.

This video shows the rocket continuing it's climb, the payload separating and the rocket starting to descend.

Flat Earth Debunked: Glass Dome Hoax Exposed! by InfoStrike


But this has nothing to do with the topic, "Satellites follow a path around the globe".

Then you post this:
It explains why it stopped spinning, not why it stopped forward motion.
But, as you see from the video that I showed, the rocket's forward motion does not stop - only it's spinning.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 20, 2019, 04:14:56 AM
Ahahah. I like to see you the globulards in pain.  ;D

All we know, comparatively the cost of camera is nothing compared to cost of satellites.

I have seen only a few cameras on rockets and then all we seen that the space isn't space they told us; right?



We have clearly heard a "plop" like something jumped to a pool.  ;D
The "plop" is not caused by the rocket hitting anything but is the yo-yo de-spin device being released.

This video shows the rocket continuing it's climb, the payload separating and the rocket starting to descend.

Flat Earth Debunked: Glass Dome Hoax Exposed! by InfoStrike

But this has nothing to do with the topic, "Satellites follow a path around the globe".

Then you post this:
It explains why it stopped spinning, not why it stopped forward motion.
But, as you see from the video that I showed, the rocket's forward motion does not stop - only it's spinning.

No, it is not as you say. It stops both forward motion and spinning. First of all, we clearly heard that motor stops and not run anymore. and it is wandering in the water like a ship has lost its shovels.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 20, 2019, 04:27:21 AM
No, it is not as you say. It stops both forward motion and spinning. First of all, we clearly heard that motor stops and not run anymore. and it is wandering in the water like a ship has lost its shovels.
Incorrect! Learn to face the truth for once!

There was an earlier thread on this topic and this post shows a rocket continuing much higher after the yo-yo despin is deployed:

The video you show deceptively ends just after the yoyo de-spin and does not show the rest of the ascent but
look carefully at the following video you will find that it stops spinning but it does not stop ascending!

SpaceLoft-7 launch and de-spin video
This one presents the time of de-spin at T + 55.8 secs and 212,500 ft (about 65 km) and Mach 3.3 (still rising very fast!)
                                       and the apogee at T + 165 secs and 119 km.

Now, Wise, face the facts! Those rockets do not hit any dome!

Then this one shows the rocket payload in the nose-cone after it came down by parachute.
           Re: SpaceX rocket launch? Reply #13 on: January 03, 2019, 02:37:04 PM (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78944.msg2130653#msg2130653).

And here is the nose-cone after it came down by parachute:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0c0k7oim3nf1uqk/Rocket%20after%20claimed%20hitting%20of%20Dome.jpg?dl=1)
Rocket intact after claimed hitting of the "Dome".

That rocket do not hit any dome!
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 20, 2019, 04:44:52 AM
No, it is not as you say. It stops both forward motion and spinning. First of all, we clearly heard that motor stops and not run anymore. and it is wandering in the water like a ship has lost its shovels.
Stop lying about who is posting.

It is as we have both said.
The rocket does not magically stop its forward motion.
Again, if you bother watching the footage this is very obvious.
All it takes is a comparison of what the ground looks like when it stops spinning, compared to what it looks like significantly later.
e.g. comparing this:
https://i.imgur.com/wNuNNND.png
to this
https://i.imgur.com/6bqCilW.png

Notice the features on the land?
One nice one is the patch in the top right or right of the images.
The straightish section is ~118 pixels long just after the despin mechanism activates.
Then later, it has shrunk to ~92 pixels.
Is this because the ground is magically shrinking, or the far more rational explanation that the rocket is continuing along its path, without being stopped by a fictitious dome?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 21, 2019, 06:03:03 AM
No, it is not as you say. It stops both forward motion and spinning. First of all, we clearly heard that motor stops and not run anymore. and it is wandering in the water like a ship has lost its shovels.
Incorrect! Learn to face the truth for once!
rocket do not hit any dome!

Stop lying about who is posting.
It is as we have both said.
The rocket does not magically stop its forward motion.

The only lies here are said by you. I mean both you one is.



We have clearly heard a "plop" then rocet does magically stop! Because there isn't any phsics law describe that forward motion stops immediately; other than either magic (according to globularist theory), or flat earth dome. I guess flat earth dome seems magic to you.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: SomeDutchGuy on July 21, 2019, 06:21:22 AM
No, it is not as you say. It stops both forward motion and spinning. First of all, we clearly heard that motor stops and not run anymore. and it is wandering in the water like a ship has lost its shovels.
Incorrect! Learn to face the truth for once!
rocket do not hit any dome!

Stop lying about who is posting.
It is as we have both said.
The rocket does not magically stop its forward motion.

The only lies here are said by you. I mean both you one is.



We have clearly heard a "plop" then rocet does magically stop! Because there isn't any phsics law describe that forward motion stops immediately; other than either magic (according to globularist theory), or flat earth dome. I guess flat earth dome seems magic to you.

So, a question. Is the dome solid? Because if it is, how come the rocket does not explode when it hits the dome? Wouldn't that be magic?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Lonegranger on July 21, 2019, 07:07:26 AM

Inside a Rocket From Take Off To Orbit (External Cameras) in HD[/b]

Rocket cam shots from launch to orbit, AtlasV launch of the #OA7 mission for Orbital ATK and NASA[/b]

Dashcam on a Space Shuttle - FRONT WINDOW launch[/b]


The first one:



Rocket clearly begins to move horizontally after 2 minutes voyage. The goal is to fall into Antarctica. The speed appearently seems not more than 2.000 kms/h.

The fastest fighter aircraft in the world X-15 has a record speed of 7,200 km / h.

Patriot air defence rocket has to be faster than other rockets to catch them. Its speed 1,4 km/seconds= 5,000 km/h.

Nasa claims its rockets move 20 km/seconds. If it was really so, so no need to defence companies, lets give all the defence to NASA. It just a joke, you know. Nasa says what it needs only. It completely a lie. This is the speed of fastest vehicles in earth.

from this example, we see that a fast plane can be faster than a fast rocket. This is the highest speed. 7200 km / h. Moreover, this speed is not climbing speed. the speed during climbing is half that. So this rocket can be going no more than 3,600 km / h.

Lets calculate its maximum altitude:

2 minutes * 3600km/h /60 h/min = 120 kms. This is highest altitude. This altitude meanwhile approximate upper limit of the sky dome.



The second one climbs 2 minutes again. Then starts to move to Antarctica.

We know where they go. This is the Russian space shuttle over Abu Dabi.



rockets always go south, not because the equator is in the south, but because the antarctica is in the south.

What happens if a rocket touches the sky dome mistakenly when moving parallel to it? This happens:



Remind; When hits, this one:



Arent everything clear? There are a water barreer rockets can't pass but swim in it. for a long time you all said that it is physically possible. you said that the separation of the part of the rocket caused it. Now you realize that this is impossible and you start to say fake. your defense is not convincing.

Its amazing how flat earther only see what they want to, making comments about things they know little to nothing about.
This video clearly shows the launch of a satellite bound for Mars.

Satellites are of course visible given the right conditions. Wise as is his want just tells bare-faced lies to suit his own close minded agenda.
You want to see satellites, then go ahead, no one is stopping you. It's not a matter of debate, it's just a plain fact that that he cares to ignore and constantly lie about. This link shows the brightest satellites, their courses and where and when to see them.

https://www.n2yo.com/satellites/?c=1
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Macarios on July 21, 2019, 02:19:44 PM
We have clearly heard a "plop" then rocet does magically stop!

The "plop" was activation of the yo-yo despinner, then it stopped the rocket spin.

How the rocket didn't smash the nose at the "dome hit" ? hehehe

And for yo-yo despinner, here is your chance to further educate yourself:




"Smart is not who knows. Smart is who learns."
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 21, 2019, 03:38:04 PM
The only lies here are said by you. I mean both you one is.
That is rich coming from someone who is currently falsely claiming that 2 different people are one person and falsely claiming that they said things that the other person said. Grow up.

We have clearly heard a "plop" then rocet does magically stop!
No, it doesn't stop.
It stops rotating, as the yo-yo despin mechanism was designed to make it do, but it continued its forward motion.
Again, that was conclusively proven by watching the original video.

Or are you going to claim that as well as it magically stopping, the ground also magically shrank?

If you wish to disagree, provide evidence that it stopped its forward motion.

What we know for sure, is that it did not hit any dome as it remained in tact and just stopped spinning. Unless you want to claim your dome is magic and just stops rotation.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 22, 2019, 09:22:34 PM
So, back to the original point, at night you can look up outside and watch low-earth orbiting satellites pass across the sky.  You can time them and connect to them.  It's all verifiable.  You can see the International Space Station in orbit.  I've done it. 

Just go get the ISS HD Live app.  You can wait for the ISS to pass overhead and go look at it.  What else do you need for proof?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Googleotomy on July 22, 2019, 10:04:27 PM
This is just one of many things that FE says is either a fake or a lie that you can actually verify is true simply by observing it for yourselves.

There are also websites  that will tell you where and when to look for the ISS in your location.

On one visit to one of the night sky parties at the Mc Donald Observatory an object passed overhead for a brief second or two..
You would have probably missed this if the tour director didn't know where and when to spot it exactly and point it out to those in the sky party .

I would highly recommend a visit to any astronomical Observatory and especially  if they have those sky party type things going on after dark.
Especially for RE's.
FE's would probably be afraid to go because they might shatter any belief in a.flat earth.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 22, 2019, 11:46:19 PM
We have clearly heard a "plop" then rocet does magically stop!

The "plop" was activation of the yo-yo despinner, then it stopped the rocket spin.

How the rocket didn't smash the nose at the "dome hit" ? hehehe

And for yo-yo despinner, here is your chance to further educate yourself:




"Smart is not who knows. Smart is who learns."

It stops both spin and forward motion.  Why can not you say its stopping the forward motion? Why do you need lying? Or why do not tell the all truth and tell a part of it (you think so) ? Because you need manipulation. Your needing manipulation proves that there is a dome and it has crashed it.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 23, 2019, 12:49:15 AM
We have clearly heard a "plop" then rocet does magically stop!

The "plop" was activation of the yo-yo despinner, then it stopped the rocket spin.

How the rocket didn't smash the nose at the "dome hit" ? hehehe

And for yo-yo despinner, here is your chance to further educate yourself:




"Smart is not who knows. Smart is who learns."

It stops both spin and forward motion.  Why can not you say its stopping the forward motion? Why do you need lying? Or why do not tell the all truth and tell a part of it (you think so) ? Because you need manipulation. Your needing manipulation proves that there is a dome and it has crashed it.
No, the rocket stops spinning but it does not stop climbing!

The video you show ends just after the yoyo de-spin and does not show the rest of the ascent.
But look carefully at the following video you will find that it stops spinning but it does not stop ascending!


SpaceLoft-7 launch and de-spin video

The time of de-spin is at T + 55.8 secs and 212,500 ft (about 65 km) and Mach 3.3 (still rising very fast!)
           and the apogee at T + 165 secs and 119 km.
The rocket climbs another 54 km after yo-yo de-spin stops the spinning at 65 km altitude.

Those rockets do not hit any dome!

In this post shows the search for the nose-cone after it came down by parachute and that was not damaged by hitting any dome.
           Re: SpaceX rocket launch? Reply #13 on: January 03, 2019, 02:37:04 PM (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78944.msg2130653#msg2130653).

And here is the nose-cone after it came down by parachute:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0c0k7oim3nf1uqk/Rocket%20after%20claimed%20hitting%20of%20Dome.jpg?dl=1)
Rocket intact after claimed hitting of the "Dome".

That rocket do not hit any dome!
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Stash on July 23, 2019, 12:51:21 AM
We have clearly heard a "plop" then rocet does magically stop!

The "plop" was activation of the yo-yo despinner, then it stopped the rocket spin.

How the rocket didn't smash the nose at the "dome hit" ? hehehe

And for yo-yo despinner, here is your chance to further educate yourself:




"Smart is not who knows. Smart is who learns."

It stops both spin and forward motion.  Why can not you say its stopping the forward motion? Why do you need lying? Or why do not tell the all truth and tell a part of it (you think so) ? Because you need manipulation. Your needing manipulation proves that there is a dome and it has crashed it.

Seriously? Enough Wise. The rocket stops spinning because of a device that makes it stop spinning. It didn't hit a dome as the guy who made the original video claiming the rocket hit a dome made another video (all linked here in the thread) saying, yeah, he was mistaken, it didn't hit a dome.

So enough. If you got something satellites and stuff you want to lay down, have at it. But enough with your rocket/dome video bullshit. It's old. Can we move on?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 23, 2019, 01:28:56 AM
We have clearly heard a "plop" then rocet does magically stop!

The "plop" was activation of the yo-yo despinner, then it stopped the rocket spin.

How the rocket didn't smash the nose at the "dome hit" ? hehehe

And for yo-yo despinner, here is your chance to further educate yourself:




"Smart is not who knows. Smart is who learns."

It stops both spin and forward motion.  Why can not you say its stopping the forward motion? Why do you need lying? Or why do not tell the all truth and tell a part of it (you think so) ? Because you need manipulation. Your needing manipulation proves that there is a dome and it has crashed it.

Seriously? Enough Wise. The rocket stops spinning because of a device that makes it stop spinning. It didn't hit a dome as the guy who made the original video claiming the rocket hit a dome made another video (all linked here in the thread) saying, yeah, he was mistaken, it didn't hit a dome.

So enough. If you got something satellites and stuff you want to lay down, have at it. But enough with your rocket/dome video bullshit. It's old. Can we move on?

A device like that can't stop it. in order to do so, the mass of the part separated must be much greater. its mass is too small to be compared to the rocket and cannot produce the required torque.

And you globalists still have not an explanation how forward motion of rocket has stopped magically.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Stash on July 23, 2019, 02:08:33 AM
We have clearly heard a "plop" then rocet does magically stop!

The "plop" was activation of the yo-yo despinner, then it stopped the rocket spin.

How the rocket didn't smash the nose at the "dome hit" ? hehehe

And for yo-yo despinner, here is your chance to further educate yourself:




"Smart is not who knows. Smart is who learns."

It stops both spin and forward motion.  Why can not you say its stopping the forward motion? Why do you need lying? Or why do not tell the all truth and tell a part of it (you think so) ? Because you need manipulation. Your needing manipulation proves that there is a dome and it has crashed it.

Seriously? Enough Wise. The rocket stops spinning because of a device that makes it stop spinning. It didn't hit a dome as the guy who made the original video claiming the rocket hit a dome made another video (all linked here in the thread) saying, yeah, he was mistaken, it didn't hit a dome.

So enough. If you got something satellites and stuff you want to lay down, have at it. But enough with your rocket/dome video bullshit. It's old. Can we move on?

A device like that can't stop it. in order to do so, the mass of the part separated must be much greater. its mass is too small to be compared to the rocket and cannot produce the required torque.

And you globalists still have not an explanation how forward motion of rocket has stopped magically.

Oh sweet mary and saint joseph! Seriously?

A) That was the weakest 'Wise' rebuttal ever. When have you ever used the word 'device'? And followed by a mumble of mass, parts, small parts, no torque...
B) B (yes, double 'B'), The yoyo spin stopped it. It's a thing, a real thing in rocket stuff. You saw the video by the guy who made the video originally in favor of the video for a dome, but then was still maybe in favor of the dome, but declared...That your rocket did not hit a dome. So stop it so we can all go home and dispense with this nonsense. Thank you. Good luck and goodnight.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 23, 2019, 02:08:49 AM
We have clearly heard a "plop" then rocet does magically stop!

The "plop" was activation of the yo-yo despinner, then it stopped the rocket spin.

How the rocket didn't smash the nose at the "dome hit" ? hehehe

And for yo-yo despinner, here is your chance to further educate yourself:




"Smart is not who knows. Smart is who learns."

It stops both spin and forward motion.  Why can not you say its stopping the forward motion? Why do you need lying? Or why do not tell the all truth and tell a part of it (you think so) ? Because you need manipulation. Your needing manipulation proves that there is a dome and it has crashed it.

Seriously? Enough Wise. The rocket stops spinning because of a device that makes it stop spinning. It didn't hit a dome as the guy who made the original video claiming the rocket hit a dome made another video (all linked here in the thread) saying, yeah, he was mistaken, it didn't hit a dome.

So enough. If you got something satellites and stuff you want to lay down, have at it. But enough with your rocket/dome video bullshit. It's old. Can we move on?
A device like that can't stop it. in order to do so, the mass of the part separated must be much greater. its mass is too small to be compared to the rocket and cannot produce the required torque.
Incorrect!
It is not simply mass of the yo-yo despin device compared to the mass of the rocket
but the moment of inertia of the yo-yo despin device compared to the moment of inertia of the rocket.
"For a point mass the moment of inertia is just the mass times the square of perpendicular distance to the rotation axis, I = mr2."

Here read this:
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Yo-yo de-spin (https://www.cs.odu.edu/~salam/wsdl/inforet/wikihtml/Yo-yo_de-spin.html)

A yo-yo de-spin mechanism is a device used to reduce the spin of satellite, typically right after launch. It is basically two lengths of cable with weights on the ends. The cables are wrapped around the final stage and/or satellite, in the manner of a double yo-yo. When the weights are released, the spin of the rocket flings them away from the spin axis. This transfers enough angular momentum to the weights to reduce the spin of the satellite to the desired value. The weights are often released.

De-spin is needed since some final stages are spin-stabilized, and require fairly rapid rotation (perhaps 50 rpm) to keep stable during firing (See, for example, the Star 48, a solid fuel rocket motor.) After the firing, the satellite cannot be simply released, since such a spin rate is beyond the capability of the satellite attitude control to cope with. Therefore after the rocket firing but before satellite release, the yo-yo weights are used to reduce the spin rates to something the satellite can handle (often 2-5 RPM).

As an example of yo-yo de-spin, on the Dawn Mission, roughly 3 kg of weights, and 12 meter cables, reduce the initial spin rate of 1420 kg of spacecraft from 36 RPM down to 3 RPM in the other direction[1]. The relatively small weights can have such a large effect since they are far from the axis of the spin, and their effect grows as the square of the length of the cables.
Quote from: wise
And you globalists still have not an explanation how forward motion of rocket has stopped magically.
Because the forward motion of rocket has not stopped suddenly. The rocket continues ascending many kilometers after the despin device is deployed.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 23, 2019, 02:43:12 AM
Why can not you say its stopping the forward motion?
Because that is a blatant lie and unlike you we care about the truth.

It does not stop its forwards motion.
Again if you wish to claim it does you need to explain how the ground magically shrinks.

The rest of your comment seems to be addressed to yourself.


A device like that can't stop it. in order to do so, the mass of the part separated must be much greater. its mass is too small to be compared to the rocket and cannot produce the required torque.
Good job showing you either don't understand torque or are happy to lie about it as well.

The wonderful thing about torque is that a small mass can produce a large torque by being a large distance away from the centre of rotation.
In contexts like this, a 1 kg mass located 100 cm away from the centre of rotation will result in the same torque as a 100 kg mass located 1 cm from the axis of rotation.
So initially when close the weights do basically nothing, but as they get further out they do a lot more to stop the rocket spinning.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 23, 2019, 03:05:11 AM
It does not stop its forwards motion.
So what does stop its forward motion, why do not you have an explanation? Since you have not an explanation hence You have accepted the rocket hits the sky dome.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: SomeDutchGuy on July 23, 2019, 03:18:00 AM
It does not stop its forwards motion.
So what does stop its forward motion, why do not you have an explanation? Since you have not an explanation hence You have accepted the rocket hits the sky dome.

The forward motion is not stopped. Can you explain how the rocket does not explode on impact with the dome?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 23, 2019, 05:04:32 AM
It does not stop its forwards motion.
So what does stop its forward motion, why do not you have an explanation? Since you have not an explanation hence You have accepted the rocket hits the sky dome.
There is no RabBlack! Stop changing the contents you quotes. Altering posts like this is simply dishonest and proves that you have no answer to the points raised.

YOU know very well that neither JackBlack nor myself, RABinOZ accepted the rocket hits the sky dome.

Look what I (RABinOZ) wrote!
Because the forward motion of rocket has not stopped suddenly. The rocket continues ascending many kilometers after the despin device is deployed.

Does that sound as though I accept that "accepted the rocket hits the sky dome."

If you cannot post honestly pease do not bother posting at all.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Macarios on July 23, 2019, 05:18:47 AM
We have clearly heard a "plop" then rocet does magically stop!

The "plop" was activation of the yo-yo despinner, then it stopped the rocket spin.

How the rocket didn't smash the nose at the "dome hit" ? hehehe

And for yo-yo despinner, here is your chance to further educate yourself:




"Smart is not who knows. Smart is who learns."

It stops both spin and forward motion.  Why can not you say its stopping the forward motion? Why do you need lying? Or why do not tell the all truth and tell a part of it (you think so) ? Because you need manipulation. Your needing manipulation proves that there is a dome and it has crashed it.

Calling people "liars" when you don't like truth is not honest.

Forward motion slowed down and stopped because the propulsion ended.

Did you expect it to continue endlessly?
Did you expect your "Dome" at 73 miles already?
Intercontinental balistic missiles would hit it every single time.

People here already asked:
If the nose really hit something, why it was not smashed?
Hitting something at that speed would make the nose break or flat like a pancake, it wouldn't still be pointy as new.

Now tell us who is the real liar here?

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On July 4, 2017 North Korea tested an ICBM.
The missile flew for approximately 40 minutes, falling 930 km (580 mi) away from the launch site in the Sea of Japan.
The missile, named the Hwasong-14, reached an altitude of 2,802 km (1,741 mi).
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 23, 2019, 06:09:40 AM
The "plop" was activation of the yo-yo despinner, then it stopped the rocket spin.

How the rocket didn't smash the nose at the "dome hit" ? hehehe

And for yo-yo despinner, here is your chance to further educate yourself:
Forward motion slowed down and stopped because the propulsion ended.

Repeating same lies does not make them stronger, just makes you a part of conspiracy. So you have lost your being amateur and started to fight to death like other angry globalists do here.

Yo-yo despinner does not magically create a great force to do it. It just has been discovered to explanation that event.

And your telling its slow down and stop is completely lie. We clearly heard a plup and it has stopped in same second. Stop lie, grow up and deal with flat earth truth. I can tell you truth but I can not recover your infidelity to a belief.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 23, 2019, 06:12:21 AM
<here we go again CAPS CAPS AND MORE CAPS>
I don't read and reply writings contain many caps and different type of writing style. It is both disrespecting, ugly for readers and distractor. You have to give up this childish behaviour. You are doing it because you have the support of boydster the angry globularist here, never targets you and waits to attack me mercilesly. There is not an argument in your post to reply.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Apokalypt on July 23, 2019, 06:18:24 AM
Hey wise, still waiting for you to show me pictures of ground stations...
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Macarios on July 23, 2019, 01:41:02 PM
The "plop" was activation of the yo-yo despinner, then it stopped the rocket spin.

How the rocket didn't smash the nose at the "dome hit" ? hehehe

And for yo-yo despinner, here is your chance to further educate yourself:
Forward motion slowed down and stopped because the propulsion ended.

Repeating same lies does not make them stronger, just makes you a part of conspiracy. So you have lost your being amateur and started to fight to death like other angry globalists do here.

Yo-yo despinner does not magically create a great force to do it. It just has been discovered to explanation that event.

And your telling its slow down and stop is completely lie. We clearly heard a plup and it has stopped in same second. Stop lie, grow up and deal with flat earth truth. I can tell you truth but I can not recover your infidelity to a belief.

It stopped spinning, didn't hit anything.
The nose is intact and you saw it.
Be honest at least to yourself.

The North Korean Intercontinental Balistic Missile reached the altitude of 1741 miles, which is 1668 miles higher than your "dome at 73 miles".
Kim knows that, Trump knows that, You know that.

But you still call everyone else "liars" just to avoid the truth.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 23, 2019, 01:51:35 PM
The "plop" was activation of the yo-yo despinner, then it stopped the rocket spin.

How the rocket didn't smash the nose at the "dome hit" ? hehehe

And for yo-yo despinner, here is your chance to further educate yourself:
Forward motion slowed down and stopped because the propulsion ended.

Repeating same lies does not make them stronger, just makes you a part of conspiracy. So you have lost your being amateur and started to fight to death like other angry globalists do here.

Yo-yo despinner does not magically create a great force to do it. It just has been discovered to explanation that event.

And your telling its slow down and stop is completely lie. We clearly heard a plup and it has stopped in same second. Stop lie, grow up and deal with flat earth truth. I can tell you truth but I can not recover your infidelity to a belief.

It stopped spinning, didn't hit anything.
The nose is intact and you saw it.
Be honest at least to yourself.

The North Korean Intercontinental Balistic Missile reached the altitude of 1741 miles, which is 1668 miles higher than your "dome at 73 miles".
Kim knows that, Trump knows that, You know that.

But you still call everyone else "liars" just to avoid the truth.

Seriously.  FEers don't want to do the experiments themselves, they don't trust anyone else, and they can only explain their theories with unobservered and unexplainable ficticious forces.  A flat Earth is a magic Earth.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 23, 2019, 02:25:14 PM
Repeating same lies does not make them stronger, just makes you a part of conspiracy.
Well thanks for admitting you are part of a conspiracy.
How much are you being paid to shill for FE?
Who is paying you?

We clearly heard a plup and it has stopped in same second.
No, it hasn't.
Again, if it hit a dome it would disintigrate.

By footage we can see that one of 2 things has to happen after the yo-yo despin mechanism stopped it spinning.
1 - It magically stops and the ground magically starts shrinking.
2 - It continues upwards so perspective makes the ground appear smaller (or more technically the features on the ground).

So which is the more plausible one? Magic upon magic, or the sane option of it continuing as there was nothing to stop it, and the greater distance making the features on the ground appear smaller?

If you want to assert it has magically stopped you need to show evidence that it has.
I have provided evidence that it has not.

And you have no grounds to talk about respect. You don't respect any of us. You repeatedly lie about us and repeatedly ignore what is said, repeating the same lie again and again regardless of how many times it has been refuted.
Respect is a 2 way street. If you want anyone to respect you then you need to start showing other people respect. That includes actually reading and responding to what they say rather than lying about what they say and actually addressing the points rather than ignoring them and repeating the same lies.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 24, 2019, 03:23:46 AM
Well thanks for admitting you are part of a conspiracy.
No, I did not tell it at all. This is a lie and slander. Stop it. I am not you.
<insulting>How much are you being paid to shill for FE?</insulting>
Stop to insult. It does not make your illogical arguments stronger.
<insulting>Who is paying you?</insulting>
Ask this question when you look at a mirror.
Again, if it hit a dome it would disintigrate.
As far as we see it, didn't disintegrate. Your baseless claim does not magically change the fact that it stops instantly.Everything that stops immediately does not need to be broken down. This is an example of it. The spider web is so. the animal stops immediately when hits, but they do not crumble until the spider eats them. Your illogical claim does not magically save an animal caught in a spider web.
<more baseless claims>
This is not moderators like I do, because they whose your partners want I spend all my time for your worthless claims. I think your behave proves what is your aim. You are only trying to cause me waste of time with baseless claims, insults and meanwhile claims of I insult you by acting more sensitive than a pink pillow.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 24, 2019, 05:04:23 AM
No, I did not tell it at all. This is a lie and slander. Stop it. I am not you.
You stated that doing the actions that you have been doing here means you are part of a conspiracy.
So I'm not the one lying here.

As far as we see it, didn't disintegrate.
That's the point.

If it hit a dome, it would disintegrate.
It didn't disintegrate, thus it did not hit a dome.

Your baseless claim does not magically change the fact that it stops instantly.
Prove it or shut up.
I have conclusively proven that it did not stop instantly.
You have done absolutely nothing to rationally counter that. Instead all you have done is repeatedly assert the same lie that it did magically stop.

Where is your proof that it stopped instantly?
How do you explain the ground appearing to shrink if it stopped?

Dismissing/ignoring these facts does not help your case, it just shows you have no case.

Everything that stops immediately does not need to be broken down.
No, the velocity and size/mass of the object play a big role.
If a 1 cm object is only travelling at 1 m per year then it can easily stop instantly without breaking apart.
But if a much larger object, travelling much faster stopped instantly, it would.
That is because of the momentum of the object moving is enough to overcome the strength of the material holding the object together.

I think your behave proves what is your aim.
Yes, it shows that I care about the truth and you want you to either admit the truth or at the least stop lying.

The video footage clearly shows the ground appearing to get smaller. The only sane explanation for this is that the rocket continues moving upwards.
If you want to claim the rocket magically stops, and care about the truth at all, you need to deal with this.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 24, 2019, 06:07:17 AM
Well thanks for admitting you are part of a conspiracy.
No, I did not tell it at all. This is a lie and slander. Stop it. I am not you.
<insulting>How much are you being paid to shill for FE?</insulting>
Stop to insult. It does not make your illogical arguments stronger.
<insulting>Who is paying you?</insulting>
Ask this question when you look at a mirror.
Again, if it hit a dome it would disintigrate.
As far as we see it, didn't disintegrate. Your baseless claim does not magically change the fact that it stops instantly.Everything that stops immediately does not need to be broken down. This is an example of it. The spider web is so. the animal stops immediately when hits, but they do not crumble until the spider eats them. Your illogical claim does not magically save an animal caught in a spider web.
<more baseless claims>
This is not moderators like I do, because they whose your partners want I spend all my time for your worthless claims. I think your behave proves what is your aim. You are only trying to cause me waste of time with baseless claims, insults and meanwhile claims of I insult you by acting more sensitive than a pink pillow.
I showed in an earlier post that the rocket did not stop immediately but carried on climbing for a great distance before coming to a stop due to gravity and then falling back down undamaged.

So if you think it stopped suddenly prove it!
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 24, 2019, 06:43:05 AM
Well thanks for admitting you are part of a conspiracy.
No, I did not tell it at all. This is a lie and slander. Stop it. I am not you.
<insulting>How much are you being paid to shill for FE?</insulting>
Stop to insult. It does not make your illogical arguments stronger.
<insulting>Who is paying you?</insulting>
Ask this question when you look at a mirror.
Again, if it hit a dome it would disintigrate.
As far as we see it, didn't disintegrate. Your baseless claim does not magically change the fact that it stops instantly.Everything that stops immediately does not need to be broken down. This is an example of it. The spider web is so. the animal stops immediately when hits, but they do not crumble until the spider eats them. Your illogical claim does not magically save an animal caught in a spider web.
<more baseless claims>
This is not moderators like I do, because they whose your partners want I spend all my time for your worthless claims. I think your behave proves what is your aim. You are only trying to cause me waste of time with baseless claims, insults and meanwhile claims of I insult you by acting more sensitive than a pink pillow.
I showed in an earlier post that the rocket did not stop immediately but carried on climbing for a great distance before coming to a stop due to gravity and then falling back down undamaged.

So if you think it stopped suddenly prove it!

It quite simple to get it stops immediately. Your showing anything in your mind isn't a proof. Proof and showing different things, get it? This is a proof, not a showing like you do. You are seing it, comes, plup, then opps! Stops in a flash! This is an obvious proof. Get the difference?

Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 24, 2019, 07:00:59 AM
You stated that doing the actions that you have been doing here means you are part of a conspiracy.
No! Lie! I have stated that doing the actions that you have been doing here means you are part of a conspiracy. Do you know better than what I said, or do I know it better? Surely, I know my words better than you. So stop to do manipulate my words in your wrong benefits.
So I'm not the one lying here.
As I have proved above you are the liar in this example, manipulating my words and changing them for your own ugly globalist benefits.
If it hit a dome, it would disintegrate.
Nope, it would not. And the video proves it should not disintegrate. It is dome, so has different type of material. Hence it acts different other than materials you know in the earth.
It didn't disintegrate, thus it did not hit a dome.
Your can't understand why he did not disintegrate does not magically it not hit the dome. It just proves you can't get it.
Prove it or shut up.
I have already proved above, the dome has different material hence acts different. It stops objects without disintegrate them. Now you how has to shut up. Bye bye.
I have conclusively proven that it did not stop instantly.
You have proven your not having anything about structure of dome.
You have done absolutely nothing to rationally counter that. Instead all you have done is repeatedly assert the same lie that it did magically stop.
I think I have did more than you write it. Your denying the clear evidences does not magically make them dis apperar. They are exist, just you are closing your eyes.
Where is your proof that it stopped instantly?
Here:


Did you heard the "plup?". It crashes the dome then immediately stops at that moment.
How do you explain the ground appearing to shrink if it stopped?
Sorry, I have missed somebody has proved ground's going to shrink. Wait, I did not miss, nobody has proved its being shrinked. Stop talk baseless.
Dismissing/ignoring these facts does not help your case, it just shows you have no case.
Having not enough time you jobless angry globularists isn't a proof of anything. You are attacking like an angry hyena gang attack an alone lion all the flat earthers, we can not find to respond all your statements, then you declare yourself the winners of any debating. You are clearly deceiving yourselves only. And all fair readers will be aware of this fact. You are constantly opening new statements, rabinoz and others are constantly insulting. And I have with a great calm can reply all the statements. You are like a gang, just you need to be fair. If your gang would be God believers would act fair. Since all you globalist gang are atheists here have not an idea about how you can be fair.
No, the velocity and size/mass of the object play a big role.
If a 1 cm object is only travelling at 1 m per year then it can easily stop instantly without breaking apart.
But if a much larger object, travelling much faster stopped instantly, it would.
That is because of the momentum of the object moving is enough to overcome the strength of the material holding the object together.
Your theory does not work on sky dome. Its structure is different. However the object was, it stops it when come vertical.
Yes, it shows that I care about the truth and you want you to either admit the truth or at the least stop lying.
No, it shows you don't care the truth at all. Otherwise your atheist angry globalist gang could give me enough time to reply you. But you are 3-5 or sometimes 6 person are asking different type of questions to cause me a time problem; then I have already not enough time to reply you then you are declaring yourself is the winner of any discussing. This is not about truth, we see. This is about the ego of your team. You are doing it as a punishment and torturing methods to believers. I resist them like how followers resiswted to tortures of infidels. 2000 years have passed but behave of infidels do not change.
The video footage clearly shows the ground appearing to get smaller. The only sane explanation for this is that the rocket continues moving upwards.
Nope. It does not show. Your imagination does not turn to the truth.
If you want to claim the rocket magically stops, and care about the truth at all, you need to deal with this.
I have dealed with it and defeated it. Your closing your eyes can not change this fact.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: SomeDutchGuy on July 24, 2019, 09:01:27 AM
How come when you show us footage, we immediately have to believe it or your interpretation of it, but when somebody shows some video or photo that is proof for a round earth, you discard it as fake?

With that being said, I'd like it if the topic goes on the subject that mightyfletch started it with. Now it is heading to a "yes/no" conversation.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 24, 2019, 01:18:23 PM
How come when you show us footage, we immediately have to believe it or your interpretation of it, but when somebody shows some video or photo that is proof for a round earth, you discard it as fake?

With that being said, I'd like it if the topic goes on the subject that mightyfletch started it with. Now it is heading to a "yes/no" conversation.

Opposite of it true too. You just need to do an empathy. Whenever I forward an argument instantly takes an objection, whether objection was true or wrong. Yo-yo spin theory has developed in two years ago, as a defence of category this video. the science of something is formed completely. You can't produce something you don't know. these people say: "we produced it, we didn't know yo-yo spin when producing it. That's what they do. The yo-yo spin was fabricated because we objected. yo-yo spin is no-no.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Lonegranger on July 24, 2019, 01:41:25 PM
Weather satellite imagery is easily verifiable by looking up in the sky.  You can see when clouds are about to clear out on those inages taken from orbit. Those satellites have to follow orbital mechanics or they would crash into the Earth.  They barely have enough fuel to make minor course corrections, let alone power to stay aloft.

You have made a point that has been repeated ad-nausium on this site. There are a number of simple experiments that any flat earther could carry out if they really had the desire to know the truth, but it looks like they don't. That is the real issue here. The fact that satellites exist is beyond argument and is not really open for any sensible debate as they can be clearly seen with nothing more than a pair of binoculars, clear sky and an app giving you know the exact time of flyover. The ISS, in particular, is easily seen if you are in the right place at the right time with good conditions. To argue it doesn't exist is tantamount to denying reality.
Other clearly and easily observed issues like Polaris not being visible in the southern hemisphere or the fact that the moon is upside down when viewed in the southern hemisphere as compared to the view in the Northern. Flat earther continue to preach the value of the Zetetic approach, seeing is believing, yet few if any actually demonstrate this approach, based on posts in some of the discussions on this site....that is apart from the old chestnut "the earth looks flat when I look out my window", ergo the earth is flat!
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Lonegranger on July 24, 2019, 01:51:11 PM
your magical satellites have never been observed. you spend millions of dollars to send each satellite into space. but you don't put a $ 1000 camera in any of them to prove its existence. Is it convincing? Nope.

Your statement is false for a number of reasons. Satellites are easily observed with nothing more than a pair of binoculars, just go outside on a clear night using one of the many tracking apps, it's easy to prove, they are easy to see, unlike your fictitious dome that no one has seen!  Many satellites have a whole range of sensing equipment including cameras. Images are regularly posted every day, particularly from weather satellites.
I think the problem is many flat earther, like yourself, have no option but to deny their existence rather than spending some time to find out the truth, which is pretty simple.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 24, 2019, 02:20:27 PM
your magical satellites have never been observed. you spend millions of dollars to send each satellite into space. but you don't put a $ 1000 camera in any of them to prove its existence. Is it convincing? Nope.

Your statement is false for a number of reasons. Satellites are easily observed with nothing more than a pair of binoculars, just go outside on a clear night using one of the many tracking apps, it's easy to prove, they are easy to see, unlike your fictitious dome that no one has seen!  Many satellites have a whole range of sensing equipment including cameras. Images are regularly posted every day, particularly from weather satellites.
I think the problem is many flat earther, like yourself, have no option but to deny their existence rather than spending some time to find out the truth, which is pretty simple.

Your claiming satellites getting observed in a way or other can not been observed by any of our friends, nor a flat earther. Is it they are being visible only to some spesific globalists?

When our friends try to see the satellites then we see nothing but some weird objects.



Can you create a video like this and proves your satellites' existance in somewhere?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 24, 2019, 02:43:41 PM
No! Lie! I have stated that doing the actions that you have been doing here means you are part of a conspiracy.
No you didn't.
This was your quote:
Repeating same lies does not make them stronger, just makes you a part of conspiracy.
And you have been repeating the same lies that the rocket hits a dome and that it stops instantly.
Both of these are outright lies as has been explained repeatedly.

So according to you, you repeating them makes you part of the conspiracy.

This is not manipulating your words. It is just noticing and pointing out that your words apply to you.

Nope, it would not. And the video proves it should not disintegrate.
The only way it "proves" it wouldn't, is by making a bunch of baseless assumptions involving assuming that it wouldn't and assuming the ground would magically start shrinking.

As the rocket did not hit any dome in this footage, it does not prove anything about hitting a dome.

Meanwhile, this footage shows quite clearly what a high speed impact would do:


It quite simple to get it stops immediately.
Again, prove it.

You claiming the footage proves it stops does nothing.
Hearing a sound isn't proving it stopped. It no longer spinning is not proof it has stopped.
You haven't even attempted to prove it has stopped.
So far all you have done is just repeatedly assert that it stops.

Again, the footage clearly shows it is continuing to go upwards, unless you want to claim the ground is magically shrinking.

All that happens is it stops spinning.

Sorry, I have missed somebody has proved ground's going to shrink.
You mean you intentionally ignored it because it shows you are wrong.

Here is a frame from the footage almost immediately after the despin mechanism is deployed.
(https://i.imgur.com/W0TsAM3.png)
The red line in this image is ~118 pixels long.
Here is a frame a short while later:
(https://i.imgur.com/MzYGE5c.png)
The red line, covering the same feature as before, is now only ~98 pixels long.
So either the ground has shrunk, quite significantly, or the rocket has moved further away, quite significantly.

Going to deal with it this time? Or will you continue to ignore it and continue to claim that the rocket stops instantly and ignore the fact the ground does appear to get smaller?

Your theory does not work on sky dome. Its structure is different.
It's structure is irrelevant. What is important is the structure of the rocket and your claim that it stops instantly, which you pretty much need to explain the rapid deceleration as it stops spinning.
This would mean only the very tip of the rocket was interacting with the dome when the rocket stopped. Unless your dome is pure magic.

Otherwise your atheist angry globalist gang could give me enough time to reply you.
You have been given plenty of time, and you just repeat the same nonsense.
You brought up this nonsense back in 2016.
People pointed out all the problems back then.

So you have had over 1.5 years to come up with answers, yet you just keep repeating the same nonsense.

This is not about truth, we see.
For you maybe, but for me it is about the truth.
The truth is that the rocket does not hit a dome, nor does it stop instantly.
All that happens is that it stops spinning.

Whenever I forward an argument instantly takes an objection
Only the ones which are completely wrong.
You are yet to provide an argument that can withstand scrutiny.

Yo-yo spin theory has developed in two years ago
No, a yo-yo despin mechanism has existed for a very long time.
Here is a patent on one from 1980:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4350315A/

So no, it hasn't been started as a defence to your nonsense.
It is a very real thing which was developed to make quickly spinning objects stop spinning.
It was used on the rocket so they could get nice footage after the powered section of flight without needing to worry about keeping the rocket from spinning the entire way.

Your claiming satellites getting observed in a way or other can not been observed by any of our friends, nor a flat earther. Is it they are being visible only to some spesific globalists?
You are yet to demonstrate anyone being unable to see them.

Your videos showing people who don't know how to use a camera failing to focus on objects is proof of nothing.

Where is your timelapse video of the night sky looking towards the equator?

As for providing footage, we have provided plenty, and you then just dismiss it as fake.
Stop asking for what you never intend to accept.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 24, 2019, 07:00:50 PM
Your claiming satellites getting observed in a way or other can not been observed by any of our friends, nor a flat earther. Is it they are being visible only to some spesific globalists?

When our friends try to see the satellites then we see nothing but some weird objects.

Of course your friends do not see satellites because they don't even know how to focus their camera! 

A good camera like the Nikon P-900 is completely waste on people like that who don't even bother to learn how to use it.

Quote from: wise
Can you create a video like this and proves your satellites' existance in somewhere?
It would waste my time because you would not believe it anyway! I have already posted videos of the geostationary satellites and you vandalised them!

But you wanted satellite videos:

Nikon P900 Captures ISS Lunar Transit by Reds Rhetoric
             
ISS through telescope by Trackingstation1

3 satellites & the ISS filmed - just a drone? by daniella' S
             
Watching Satellites, Shooting Stars & Planes with Gen 3 Night Vison

- July 10, 2016 by Rob Freeman - Atmospheric Anomalies

How to See Satellites!!! by antiprotons
             
Capturing the ISS (International Space Station) through my Telescope

by J.W.Astronomy


Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Plat Terra on July 24, 2019, 07:34:16 PM
Weather satellite imagery is easily verifiable by looking up in the sky.  You can see when clouds are about to clear out on those inages taken from orbit. Those satellites have to follow orbital mechanics or they would crash into the Earth.  They barely have enough fuel to make minor course corrections, let alone power to stay aloft.

Yeah, and they also launched rockets almost  700 miles above today's ISS and set satellites with balloons near 1000 miles up. They inflated the balloon in the vacuum of space, OPPS, no vacuum. 

Here is a 1960s broadcast about this amazing technology. 

Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Stash on July 24, 2019, 07:42:02 PM
Weather satellite imagery is easily verifiable by looking up in the sky.  You can see when clouds are about to clear out on those inages taken from orbit. Those satellites have to follow orbital mechanics or they would crash into the Earth.  They barely have enough fuel to make minor course corrections, let alone power to stay aloft.

Yeah, and they also launched rockets almost  700 miles above today's ISS and set satellites with balloons near 1000 miles up. They inflated the balloon in the vacuum of space. 

Here is a 1960s broadcast about this amazing technology. 



What's the problem with filling a balloon-like structure with gas 1000 miles up to create a surface to bounce radio comms off of it?  What in physics would prevent such a thing to occur?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 24, 2019, 09:38:52 PM
Weather satellite imagery is easily verifiable by looking up in the sky.  You can see when clouds are about to clear out on those inages taken from orbit. Those satellites have to follow orbital mechanics or they would crash into the Earth.  They barely have enough fuel to make minor course corrections, let alone power to stay aloft.

Yeah, and they also launched rockets almost 700 miles above today's ISS
What's this "launched rockets almost 700 miles above today's ISS"?
The weather satellites, direct broadcast TV Satellites and all other geosynchronous satellites are about 22,000 above the ISS.
But the first US satellite, Explorer 1, had an elliptical orbit 222 miles to 1,580 mi high - far above the ISS.

Quote from: Plat Terra
and set satellites with balloons near 1000 miles up. They inflated the balloon in the vacuum of space, OPPS, no vacuum. 
Why is that any evidence of "no vacuum"? It was one of the Echo satellites and not held aloft by buoyancy but by orbiting.
Read up on it in: 1st Communication Satellite: A Giant Space Balloon 50 Years Ago. (https://www.space.com/8973-1st-communication-satellite-giant-space-balloon-50-years.html)

Quote from: Plat Terra
Here is a 1960s broadcast about this amazing technology. 


And you believe the rubbish in that "Nasa No vacuum in space , balloons can go up to 1000 miles , Project Echo" video?
Why couldnt a very strong balloon be inflated in a vacuum?

Open minded people who can't understand something research it and learn what they can.
Whereas closed-minded ignoramuses simply ridicule what their small minds can't understand - sees to fit QNFee to a T!

I fail to see why the Echo satellites could not be genuine.
They did, I believe, have initial problems with overinflation due to traces of moisture inside before launch.

You really have little understanding this sort of thing do you?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 01:03:58 AM
Your claiming satellites getting observed in a way or other can not been observed by any of our friends, nor a flat earther. Is it they are being visible only to some spesific globalists?

When our friends try to see the satellites then we see nothing but some weird objects.

Of course your friends do not see satellites because they don't even know how to focus their camera! 

A good camera like the Nikon P-900 is completely waste on people like that who don't even bother to learn how to use it.


Quote from: wise
Can you create a video like this and proves your satellites' existance in somewhere?
It would waste my time because you would not believe it anyway! I have already posted videos of the geostationary satellites and you vandalised them!

But you wanted satellite videos:
Nikon P900 Captures ISS Lunar Transit by Reds Rhetoric

ISS through telescope by Trackingstation1


3 satellites & the ISS filmed - just a drone? by daniella' S
             

Watching Satellites, Shooting Stars & Planes with Gen 3 Night Vison
 - July 10, 2016 by Rob Freeman - Atmospheric Anomalies


How to See Satellites!!! by antiprotons
             

Capturing the ISS (International Space Station) through my Telescope
by J.W.Astronomy


Stop to use special effects on posts! It disturbs the reading quality!  >:(



It is a clear fake image seems like a tie fighter on an amiga game not the ISS something.



Clear cgi. There isn't any zoom in zoom out shows where the observer it. Believing it requires to more poor, I am not, sorry. Try it to convince the globalists, they can be fooled easy.



You do know the iss is the size of a football field and the satellites are the size of a fridge. The objects in that pic look almost like Saturn v debris. So, not convincing at all. Fake.



Those are not satellites god damn it!  Where is your evidence of them being satellites? So, all the bright objects in the sky are satellites, right? What do you think of us, a bunch of fools?



So animated. lol Reminds me of my geology teacher. Lots of arm waving while talking about rocks. Where is the satellite? This man is just doing propaganda from first minute to the end video. Are you joke? Where are the satellites on video?



The right side shows a tie fighter on amiga game representing the ISS but we don't see it in video at all. Fake.

All debunked.

Since you have only fake, ISS videos so you have admitted you have not a real satellite footage. Inother say you have admitted them being not exist.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 25, 2019, 01:31:50 AM
It is a clear fake
Clear cgi.
not convincing at all. Fake.
Those are not satellites god damn it!
So animated. lol
Fake.
See, why ask for videos when you just dismiss them all as fake without any rational justification?

And no your ridiculous comparisons where you say it seems like something is not showing it to be fake.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 25, 2019, 03:53:48 AM
Your claiming satellites getting observed in a way or other can not been observed by any of our friends, nor a flat earther. Is it they are being visible only to some spesific globalists?

When our friends try to see the satellites then we see nothing but some weird objects.

Of course your friends do not see satellites because they don't even know how to focus their camera! 

A good camera like the Nikon P-900 is completely waste on people like that who don't even bother to learn how to use it.


Quote from: wise
Can you create a video like this and proves your satellites' existance in somewhere?
It would waste my time because you would not believe it anyway! I have already posted videos of the geostationary satellites and you vandalised them!

But you wanted satellite videos:
Stop to use special effects on posts! It disturbs the reading quality!  >:(
What are you raving about? What is wrong with two little videos in the one row?

Quote from: wise

Nikon P900 Captures ISS Lunar Transit by Reds Rhetoric

It is a clear fake image seems like a tie fighter on an amiga game not the ISS something.
Rubbish! That is what the ISS looks like from underneath!
It's a genuine video. If you don't recognize reality,  tough!

Quote from: wise

ISS through telescope by Trackingstation1

Clear cgi. There isn't any zoom in zoom out shows where the observer it. Believing it requires to more poor, I am not, sorry. Try it to convince the globalists, they can be fooled easy.
Why ever should there be any "zoom in zoom out shows where the observer it"?
But it's a genuine video by someone who know how to use a camera!  If you don't like reality,  tough!
Wise, you don't know what you are talk about!

Quote from: wise

3 satellites & the ISS filmed - just a drone? by daniella' S

You do know the iss is the size of a football field and the satellites are the size of a fridge. The objects in that pic look almost like Saturn v debris. So, not convincing at all. Fake.
Incorrect! It's a genuine video. If you don't recognize reality,  tough!

Quote from: wise

Watching Satellites, Shooting Stars & Planes with Gen 3 Night Vison
 - July 10, 2016 by Rob Freeman - Atmospheric Anomalies

Those are not satellites god damn it!  Where is your evidence of them being satellites? So, all the bright objects in the sky are satellites, right? What do you think of us, a bunch of fools?
Incorrect! It's a genuine video. If you don't recognize reality,  tough!
No, all the bright objects in the sky are not satellites but the video tells you which is a plane and which is a satellite etc.

Quote from: wise

How to See Satellites!!! by antiprotons

So animated. lol Reminds me of my geology teacher. Lots of arm waving while talking about rocks. Where is the satellite? This man is just doing propaganda from first minute to the end video. Are you joke? Where are the satellites on video?
In other words you know nothing about photography, nothing about telescopes and nothing about satellites. OK, got that!

Quote from: wise

Capturing the ISS (International Space Station) through my Telescope

The right side shows a tie fighter on amiga game representing the ISS but we don't see it in video at all. Fake.
Rubbish! You don't know what you are talking about so you just make up stories!

Quote from: wise
All debunked.
Incorrect! None have been debunked!

Quote from: wise
Since you have only fake, ISS videos so you have admitted you have not a real satellite footage. Inother say you have admitted them being not exist.
All I have admitted is thst you don't know genuine satellite videos what you see them.

Remember this?
Quote from: wise
Can you create a video like this and proves your satellites' existance in somewhere?
And I replied: "It would waste my time because you would not believe it anyway! I have already posted videos of the geostationary satellites and you vandalised them!"

Well, you have proven me correct! I posted 6 genuine videos showing the ISS and other satellites and as I said you didn't believe them.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Apokalypt on July 25, 2019, 04:28:46 AM
Common wise, you dismiss every video evidence, every photo evidence...how can these people get facts into your brain (supposed something like this exists)? And yet, you post a picture from tv/radio stations as "proof" for ground stations and that satellites don`t exist. Seriously, how long will you keep up with that bullshit?

Are YOU even real? Or are you a bot? Guess we can`t prove that cause even if you would send a picture it would be fake, correct?

Conclusion: wise is debunked!
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Plat Terra on July 25, 2019, 09:17:33 AM
I cant believe people still defend a NASA led fantasy.

Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity.

Vacuum no vacuum,  it was a lie to make people believe in space.

The satellite was a magnesium container and has a melting point of 650F

The balloon was 0.5 thick and made of Mylar and has a melting point of 482F

When the direct sun rays hits the satellite (1000 miles up) it is going to start melting and the gas in the balloon is going to expand until it pops.

They probable hung it off the balloon a few miles up. Balloon satellites is nothing new and are used all the time. They were setting the stage of faking space so they could get more money off suckers. Please see the following video about the history of faking space.


Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Lonegranger on July 25, 2019, 09:36:13 AM
I cant believe people still defend a NASA led fantasy.

Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity.

Vacuum no vacuum,  it was a lie to make people believe in space.

The satellite was a magnesium container and has a melting point of 650F

The balloon was 0.5 thick and made of Mylar and has a melting point of 482F

When the direct sun rays hits the satellite (1000 miles up) it is going to start melting and the gas in the balloon is going to expand until it pops.

They probable hung it off the balloon a few miles up. Balloon satellites is nothing new and are used all the time. They were setting the stage of faking space so they could get more money off suckers. Please see the following video about the history of faking space.



Firstly Its, not NASA led. It was the USSR if you care to remember who was the first nation to put a satellite into orbit and the first to put a man into space.
NASA are only one of many space agencies.
How do you know what the temperatures are at the elevations you mentioned, have you personally measured them?
Though your understanding of how temperatures work at those elevations is somewhat lacking.

As is normally the case, what you say bears no relation to the truth, but then what's that got to do with it when you have a belief to protect.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Stash on July 25, 2019, 11:29:15 AM
I cant believe people still defend a NASA led fantasy.

Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity.

Vacuum no vacuum,  it was a lie to make people believe in space.

The satellite was a magnesium container and has a melting point of 650F

The balloon was 0.5 thick and made of Mylar and has a melting point of 482F

When the direct sun rays hits the satellite (1000 miles up) it is going to start melting and the gas in the balloon is going to expand until it pops.

Where is your knowledge of any of the above coming from? How would a flat earther know:

"Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity."
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 01:37:39 PM
I cant believe people still defend a NASA led fantasy.

Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity.

Vacuum no vacuum,  it was a lie to make people believe in space.

The satellite was a magnesium container and has a melting point of 650F

The balloon was 0.5 thick and made of Mylar and has a melting point of 482F

When the direct sun rays hits the satellite (1000 miles up) it is going to start melting and the gas in the balloon is going to expand until it pops.

Where is your knowledge of any of the above coming from? How would a flat earther know:

"Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity."

And how do you a globalist know?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
Rubbish!

Rubbishinoz is you are.

Rubbish!

Rubbish is actual your name.

Incorrect!

Your life is incorrect!

Rubbish!

Rubbish is calling your name with another type.

Do you have any other bullshit other than insults?

All your videos are debunked! And now, you have started to insulting with support of an angry globularist so called flat earth management team! Why? Because you are trying to provocation in your little brain, aren't you? When will you start to give up dishonesty?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Stash on July 25, 2019, 01:41:43 PM
I cant believe people still defend a NASA led fantasy.

Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity.

Vacuum no vacuum,  it was a lie to make people believe in space.

The satellite was a magnesium container and has a melting point of 650F

The balloon was 0.5 thick and made of Mylar and has a melting point of 482F

When the direct sun rays hits the satellite (1000 miles up) it is going to start melting and the gas in the balloon is going to expand until it pops.

Where is your knowledge of any of the above coming from? How would a flat earther know:

"Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity."

And how do you a globalist know?

I never said I do know. Just curious as to how a flat earther who doesn't believe space flight is possible would know what the temperature ranges are 1000 miles above the earth. Where is that information coming from?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 01:45:11 PM
I cant believe people still defend a NASA led fantasy.

Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity.

Vacuum no vacuum,  it was a lie to make people believe in space.

The satellite was a magnesium container and has a melting point of 650F

The balloon was 0.5 thick and made of Mylar and has a melting point of 482F

When the direct sun rays hits the satellite (1000 miles up) it is going to start melting and the gas in the balloon is going to expand until it pops.

Where is your knowledge of any of the above coming from? How would a flat earther know:

"Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity."

And how do you a globalist know?

I never said I do know. Just curious as to how a flat earther who doesn't believe space flight is possible would know what the temperature ranges are 1000 miles above the earth. Where is that information coming from?

You have not answered my question. How do you (you can take it as not you but globalists) know it?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Stash on July 25, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
I cant believe people still defend a NASA led fantasy.

Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity.

Vacuum no vacuum,  it was a lie to make people believe in space.

The satellite was a magnesium container and has a melting point of 650F

The balloon was 0.5 thick and made of Mylar and has a melting point of 482F

When the direct sun rays hits the satellite (1000 miles up) it is going to start melting and the gas in the balloon is going to expand until it pops.

Where is your knowledge of any of the above coming from? How would a flat earther know:

"Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity."

And how do you a globalist know?

I never said I do know. Just curious as to how a flat earther who doesn't believe space flight is possible would know what the temperature ranges are 1000 miles above the earth. Where is that information coming from?

You have not answered my question. How do you (you can take it as not you but globalists) know it?

I didn't say I do know it. But I could use globalist technology to find out. But that's not the issue. The issue is: What sort of technology does a flat earther who doesn't believe in space travel use to determine the temperature ranges in space?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Xphilll on July 25, 2019, 02:03:18 PM
@Wize It's funny you have the nerve to lecture people about honesty when you are constantly lying. To me the most funny lie from you was the videos of the moon you posted, pretending it was the sun. You don't seem to realise you have no credibility whatsoever, even amongst your peers.
@Stash It seems pretty obvious FE see no problem in using data from NASA or any space agency if it fits there agenda.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 25, 2019, 03:51:00 PM
I cant believe people still defend a NASA led fantasy.
They don't, as there is no NASA led fantasy. Just rejection of reality by those who want to pretend NASA is lying to everyone.

Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere
Are completely irrelevant due to the negligible thermal mass of the thermosphere.

Again, as a comparison, if you were to put your hand in a pot of 90 degree C water it would scald you, even if it was only in there quit briefly.
But put it in an oven at 200 C, and it can stay there for a short time without getting burnt at all.

That is because the water has a lot of thermal mass and can quickly transfer it to your hand.
But the air in the oven has very little thermal mass and cannot quickly transfer it to your hand.
Now project that by scaling it an additional many orders of magnitude down to account for the near 0 pressure in the thermosphere.

What is important is managing the radiation.

When the direct sun rays hits the satellite (1000 miles up) it is going to start melting
Why?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 25, 2019, 04:09:14 PM


I cant believe people still defend a NASA led fantasy.

Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity.

Vacuum no vacuum,  it was a lie to make people believe in space.

The satellite was a magnesium container and has a melting point of 650F

The balloon was 0.5 thick and made of Mylar and has a melting point of 482F

When the direct sun rays hits the satellite (1000 miles up) it is going to start melting and the gas in the balloon is going to expand until it pops.

Where is your knowledge of any of the above coming from? How would a flat earther know:

"Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity."

And how do you a globalist know?

I never said I do know. Just curious as to how a flat earther who doesn't believe space flight is possible would know what the temperature ranges are 1000 miles above the earth. Where is that information coming from?

You have not answered my question. How do you (you can take it as not you but globalists) know it?


I know because I operate satellites that orbit the globe.  It's part of my job.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: wise on July 26, 2019, 12:35:52 PM


I cant believe people still defend a NASA led fantasy.

Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity.

Vacuum no vacuum,  it was a lie to make people believe in space.

The satellite was a magnesium container and has a melting point of 650F

The balloon was 0.5 thick and made of Mylar and has a melting point of 482F

When the direct sun rays hits the satellite (1000 miles up) it is going to start melting and the gas in the balloon is going to expand until it pops.

Where is your knowledge of any of the above coming from? How would a flat earther know:

"Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity."

And how do you a globalist know?

I never said I do know. Just curious as to how a flat earther who doesn't believe space flight is possible would know what the temperature ranges are 1000 miles above the earth. Where is that information coming from?

You have not answered my question. How do you (you can take it as not you but globalists) know it?
I know because I operate satellites that orbit the globe.  It's part of my job.

I'm sure you do. Do you have a real proof other than  your job?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 26, 2019, 12:42:59 PM


I cant believe people still defend a NASA led fantasy.

Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity.

Vacuum no vacuum,  it was a lie to make people believe in space.

The satellite was a magnesium container and has a melting point of 650F

The balloon was 0.5 thick and made of Mylar and has a melting point of 482F

When the direct sun rays hits the satellite (1000 miles up) it is going to start melting and the gas in the balloon is going to expand until it pops.

Where is your knowledge of any of the above coming from? How would a flat earther know:

"Above 120 miles (200 km) above sea level, temperatures in the thermosphere can vary between 600 and 2000C (1100 and 3600F). The actual temperature range is highly dependent on solar activity."

And how do you a globalist know?

I never said I do know. Just curious as to how a flat earther who doesn't believe space flight is possible would know what the temperature ranges are 1000 miles above the earth. Where is that information coming from?

You have not answered my question. How do you (you can take it as not you but globalists) know it?
I know because I operate satellites that orbit the globe.  It's part of my job.

I'm sure you do. Do you have a real proof other than  your job?

Those satellites have temperature sensors on them.  They read ranges between -250 ˚C and 300 ˚C.

What device have you used to measure temperatures in space?
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Lonegranger on July 27, 2019, 03:42:40 PM
With the use of satellite data being used for everything from GPS, surveying, weather forecasting to even things like archeology
 https://www.globalxplorer.org/about
Is it not about time for flat earth believers to re-think their position on this subject. With around 8000 satellites having been launched and 5000 give or take currently in orbit launched from over 31 facilities involving over 50 countries, with more being launched on almost a weekly basis, so much so that each launch receives very little if any news coverage. Last week for example very little was made here in the west of Indias moon mission Chandrayaan-2 that will arrive in lunar orbit in early Sept and set to make a landing soon afterwards.
Labelling all space related activity as being part of a greater conspiracy does not look at all credible.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 27, 2019, 10:01:05 PM
With the use of satellite data being used for everything from GPS, surveying, weather forecasting to even things like archeology
 https://www.globalxplorer.org/about
Is it not about time for flat earth believers to re-think their position on this subject. With around 8000 satellites having been launched and 5000 give or take currently in orbit launched from over 31 facilities involving over 50 countries, with more being launched on almost a weekly basis, so much so that each launch receives very little if any news coverage. Last week for example very little was made here in the west of Indias moon mission Chandrayaan-2 that will arrive in lunar orbit in early Sept and set to make a landing soon afterwards.
Labelling all space related activity as being part of a greater conspiracy does not look at all credible.

Additionally, Space-X is planning on launching almost 12,000 cubesats, so you can access broadband connections almost at any point on the globe.  They'll be in Low-Earth Orbit at 340km, 550km, and 1,150km for their Starlink program. 

Next week, I'm going to track the International Space Station with their app, and take a picture of it as it flies by. 
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Apokalypt on July 28, 2019, 12:31:15 AM
Satellites don`t exist, otherwise they would show us this picture which makes completely sense  ::) :

(https://pics.me.me/thumb_all-planets-connected-picture-in-one-its-flat-60527017.png)
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Lonegranger on July 28, 2019, 02:20:40 AM
With the use of satellite data being used for everything from GPS, surveying, weather forecasting to even things like archeology
 https://www.globalxplorer.org/about
Is it not about time for flat earth believers to re-think their position on this subject. With around 8000 satellites having been launched and 5000 give or take currently in orbit launched from over 31 facilities involving over 50 countries, with more being launched on almost a weekly basis, so much so that each launch receives very little if any news coverage. Last week for example very little was made here in the west of Indias moon mission Chandrayaan-2 that will arrive in lunar orbit in early Sept and set to make a landing soon afterwards.
Labelling all space related activity as being part of a greater conspiracy does not look at all credible.

Additionally, Space-X is planning on launching almost 12,000 cubesats, so you can access broadband connections almost at any point on the globe.  They'll be in Low-Earth Orbit at 340km, 550km, and 1,150km for their Starlink program. 

Next week, I'm going to track the International Space Station with their app, and take a picture of it as it flies by.

If that is your plan you may wish to read this:-
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/tutorials/how-to-easily-photograph-the-international-space-station

Its not as easy to get a good shot as one would imagine. Im not sure about your photographic expertise, but tripod, wide angle lens at f4, low ISO and 60 second exposure or so is a good starting point to get a nice trail. I would shoot some trial shots at your chosen location, and for the composition try and include some ground features, buildings, trees etc. Planning is all for this kind of shot. Trying to shoot the ISS with a telephoto requires a bit more skill and careful planning and positioning, but it can be done for sure.
https://petapixel.com/2017/11/06/photographed-iss-crossing-full-moon/
Good luck.

Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 28, 2019, 08:52:00 AM
With the use of satellite data being used for everything from GPS, surveying, weather forecasting to even things like archeology
 https://www.globalxplorer.org/about
Is it not about time for flat earth believers to re-think their position on this subject. With around 8000 satellites having been launched and 5000 give or take currently in orbit launched from over 31 facilities involving over 50 countries, with more being launched on almost a weekly basis, so much so that each launch receives very little if any news coverage. Last week for example very little was made here in the west of Indias moon mission Chandrayaan-2 that will arrive in lunar orbit in early Sept and set to make a landing soon afterwards.
Labelling all space related activity as being part of a greater conspiracy does not look at all credible.

Additionally, Space-X is planning on launching almost 12,000 cubesats, so you can access broadband connections almost at any point on the globe.  They'll be in Low-Earth Orbit at 340km, 550km, and 1,150km for their Starlink program. 

Next week, I'm going to track the International Space Station with their app, and take a picture of it as it flies by.

If that is your plan you may wish to read this:-
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/tutorials/how-to-easily-photograph-the-international-space-station

Its not as easy to get a good shot as one would imagine. Im not sure about your photographic expertise, but tripod, wide angle lens at f4, low ISO and 60 second exposure or so is a good starting point to get a nice trail. I would shoot some trial shots at your chosen location, and for the composition try and include some ground features, buildings, trees etc. Planning is all for this kind of shot. Trying to shoot the ISS with a telephoto requires a bit more skill and careful planning and positioning, but it can be done for sure.
https://petapixel.com/2017/11/06/photographed-iss-crossing-full-moon/
Good luck.

Yeah, hopefully we're not clouded over either.

My Avatar picture is a shot of the space shuttle Discovery meeting up with the ISS as seen from the ground.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: Lonegranger on July 29, 2019, 06:27:42 AM
Satellites don`t exist, otherwise they would show us this picture which makes completely sense  ::) :

(https://pics.me.me/thumb_all-planets-connected-picture-in-one-its-flat-60527017.png)

So you say. Why not do a small experiment, download a satellite tracker app on to your phone, see when the next satellite is due in your neighbourhood and just look up. You have nothing to loose apart from your belief that satellites dont exist.
Title: Re: Satellites follow a path around the globe
Post by: RocketSauce on July 31, 2019, 09:33:48 AM
What ever you do... dont go to the Himawari 8 website...


Stay away... it is dangerous!!!

It is everything they say cant be done!!!