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Title: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 18, 2019, 08:33:33 PM
Rising air parcels rotate counterclockwise in the northern hemishpere, while sinking air parcels and ocean currents rotate clockwise.  This large-scale effect is reversed in the southern hemisphere and is more noticeable at higher latitudes.  I have produced highly accurate weather forecasts for the last 14 years, using math that factors in the angular velocity of the rotating globe and the coriolis parameter.  Cyclones in the southern hemisphere would rotate opposite the way they do and be as much as 5 times larger than they actually are.  FE-theory would never be able to forecast out any cyclone with any degree of accuracy. 
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 19, 2019, 02:32:57 AM
It has proven that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect". you should see a doctor about your headache if you see objects do not have to rotate are rotating.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 19, 2019, 03:14:59 AM
It has proven that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect".
Simply saying "It has proven that" means nothing unless you can present that proof.

So please present this proof "that there isn't anything observed is known as Coriolis Effect."
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 19, 2019, 03:45:32 AM
It has proven that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect". you should see a doctor about your headache if you see objects do not have to rotate are rotating.

 We're waiting for you to explain your claim of it being "proven".
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 19, 2019, 12:13:56 PM
It has proven that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect".
Simply saying "It has proven that" means nothing unless you can present that proof.

So please present this proof "that there isn't anything observed is known as Coriolis Effect."

Surely.

1- I claim there isn't anything observed is nown as coriolis effect.
2- You have tried to prove its being observed, failed.
3- It is proved that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect", otherwise you had to know it.

If you have a claim it has not proved, please provide an information about its being observed by using any fair method. It is your turn.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 19, 2019, 03:24:18 PM
It has proven that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect".
Simply saying "It has proven that" means nothing unless you can present that proof.

So please present this proof "that there isn't anything observed is known as Coriolis Effect."

Surely.

1- I claim there isn't anything observed is nown as coriolis effect.
2- You have tried to prove its being observed, failed.
3- It is proved that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect", otherwise you had to know it.

If you have a claim it has not proved, please provide an information about its being observed by using any fair method. It is your turn.

Proof: in the northern hemisphere, stand outside with your back to the wind.  The lower air pressure will be to your left and higher air pressure will be to your right.

The is called Buys Ballots Law. Anyone can observe this. 

Now, perform this observation in multiple locations across a large area, about the size of Germany, and you will see that the wind circulates counter-clockwise around the center of low air pressure.  Around centers of high air pressure, it circulates clockwise.

WHY does this happen? Why do sinking air parcels follow a clockwise circulation around high pressure in the northern hemisphere? Straight motion deflects to the right in relation to the curvature of a globe.

You can see this by placing a ruler tangent to the 30° north lattitude, for example. You will see the underlying lines of latittude curve to the left of the ruler.

This math principle is part of weather forecast models.  Without it, you would not have over 100 million dowloads of the weather channel app.  No one would ever use it because it would be useless.


Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: sokarul on July 19, 2019, 03:30:54 PM
In my opinion the Coriolis effect is best seen in hurricanes, specifically maps of their paths.

(https://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/7000/7079/tropical_cyclone_map_lrg.gif)

The band in the middle lines up with where there is the least coriolis effect.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 19, 2019, 05:56:31 PM
It has proven that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect".
Simply saying "It has proven that" means nothing unless you can present that proof.

So please present this proof "that there isn't anything observed is known as Coriolis Effect."

Surely.

1- I claim there isn't anything observed is nown as coriolis effect.
2- You have tried to prove its being observed, failed.
3- It is proved that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect", otherwise you had to know it.

If you have a claim it has not proved, please provide an information about its being observed by using any fair method. It is your turn.
YOU said that:
It has proven that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect".
You already claimed that you had proof that "that there isn't anything observed is known as Coriolis Effect."

So present YOUR proof NOW!

In the meantime here's some entertainment for you:

Coriolis Effect | National Geographic from National Geographic
               

Coriolis Effect by TSG Physics


Coriolis Effect Demonstration (with Drones) by Christopher Lum
             

Coriolis Force  by Eric Snodgrass
Enjoy!

Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 19, 2019, 08:29:20 PM
1- I claim there isn't anything observed is nown as coriolis effect.
2- You have tried to prove its being observed, failed.
3- It is proved that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect", otherwise you had to know it.
This is not proving anything, it is just trying to shift the burden of proof, while ignoring all the proof that has been provided.

The OP even started off by providing proof from common knowledge with the direction of storm and large scale weather systems.
Not only is that proof of the Coriolis effect, it is also proof that Earth rotates.
You can also get it in a much simpler format with a Foucault's pendulum.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 20, 2019, 02:02:21 AM
1- I claim there isn't anything observed is nown as coriolis effect.
2- You have tried to prove its being observed, failed.
3- It is proved that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect", otherwise you had to know it.
This is not proving anything, it is just trying to shift the burden of proof, while ignoring all the proof that has been provided.

Claiming providing proofs does not make something a proof. You have to prove its existance first then you can want to opposite arguments. Burden of proof is in your side.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 20, 2019, 02:21:27 AM
Burden of proof is in your side.
No it is NOT!
You have already claimed that:
It has proven that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect".
So either present your proof "that there isn't anything observed is known as 'Coriolis Effect'."
Or admit that your claim was incorrect.

It's too late to back out now!  So which is it?
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 20, 2019, 02:40:23 AM
Burden of proof is in your side.
No it is NOT!
You have already claimed that:
It has proven that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect".
So either present your proof "that there isn't anything observed is known as 'Coriolis Effect'."
Or admit that your claim was incorrect.

It's too late to back out now!  So which is it?

Yes it is. I have proved it has not been proved. It is a proof. Prove the opposite. Since it is proved that coriolis effect is not proved, you can not get a support of something absent proves something. Since coriolis effect is absent it can not prove anything.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 20, 2019, 03:16:31 AM
Burden of proof is in your side.
No it is NOT!
You have already claimed that:
It has proven that there isn't anything observed is known as "Coriolis Effect".
So either present your proof "that there isn't anything observed is known as 'Coriolis Effect'."
Or admit that your claim was incorrect.

It's too late to back out now!  So which is it?

Yes it is. I have proved it has not been proved. It is a proof. Prove the opposite. Since it is proved that coriolis effect is not proved, you can not get a support of something absent proves something. Since coriolis effect is absent it can not prove anything.
Not good enough!
You have never "proved it has not been proved" you simply said "It has proven that there isn't anything observed is known as 'Coriolis Effect'."

So you obviously admit that you cannot disprove the Coriolis effect.

Bye then,  don't bother replying unless you have found that proof.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 20, 2019, 03:27:55 AM
It looks as though no flat earther is prepared to even offer an answer to the topic, "Coriolis Effect proves a globe".

Just consider that anyone can observe the the four distinct situations observed for High and Low Pressure Weather systems in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres.

These include the intense low pressure systems,  Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones. These four distinct situations observed are:
     
Northern Hemisphere
     
Southern Hemisphere
Rotation direction of Highs
     
Clockwise
     
Anti-clockwise
Rotation direction of Lows
     
Anti-clockwise
     
Clockwise
Just look at weather maps that show highs, lows and wind directions to verify this for yourself.

Explain that without the Coriolis effect!
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 20, 2019, 03:45:54 AM
intense low pressure systems,  Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones are represented in a map provided by NASA or its partners. These are so called satellite view presentatios (not real photos). Since satellites are already isn't exist so these video representations are all fake.

There are not a real footage of Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones took a real time camera by high altitude show them spinning any direction.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 20, 2019, 05:35:20 AM
intense low pressure systems,  Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones are represented in a map provided by NASA or its partners. These are so called satellite view presentatios (not real photos). Since satellites are already isn't exist so these video representations are all fake.
I mentioned no satellies or photos from satellites. The things that I described need no satellites of photos from satellites! They are simple weather map observations.

Surely you understand s simple weather map with its high and low-pressure regions?
Surely you understand that hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones rotate anti-clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere but rotate clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere?

NASA has nothing to do with it and these things but they are very important to pilots!
Have a look at: Coriolis, Isobars and PGF - Meteorology for dummies. (https://www.osmaviationacademy.com/blog/coriolis-isobars-and-pgf-meteorology-for-dummies).
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 20, 2019, 08:34:00 AM
intense low pressure systems,  Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones are represented in a map provided by NASA or its partners. These are so called satellite view presentatios (not real photos). Since satellites are already isn't exist so these video representations are all fake.

There are not a real footage of Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones took a real time camera by high altitude show them spinning any direction.

Did you go outside and perform the experiment I gave you?  Stand with your back to the wind, low pressure is to your left.  This is the easiest way to prove the coriolis effect.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 21, 2019, 02:41:56 AM
intense low pressure systems,  Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones are represented in a map provided by NASA or its partners. These are so called satellite view presentatios (not real photos). Since satellites are already isn't exist so these video representations are all fake.

There are not a real footage of Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones took a real time camera by high altitude show them spinning any direction.

Did you go outside and perform the experiment I gave you?  Stand with your back to the wind, low pressure is to your left.  This is the easiest way to prove the coriolis effect.

I did it now. According to your claiming;

I have proved the coriolis effect is not exist. Else brillant suggestions?
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 21, 2019, 02:42:54 AM
intense low pressure systems,  Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones are represented in a map provided by NASA or its partners. These are so called satellite view presentatios (not real photos). Since satellites are already isn't exist so these video representations are all fake.
I mentioned no satellies or photos from satellites. The things that I described need no satellites of photos from satellites! They are simple weather map observations.

Who did these observations? Why do we have to trust the claimings of so called spin directions? We do not have to. You can not support a lie with another lie. It was the method suggested in torah 2500 years ago. It is not working anymore.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: Lonegranger on July 21, 2019, 02:46:48 AM
intense low pressure systems,  Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones are represented in a map provided by NASA or its partners. These are so called satellite view presentatios (not real photos). Since satellites are already isn't exist so these video representations are all fake.
I mentioned no satellies or photos from satellites. The things that I described need no satellites of photos from satellites! They are simple weather map observations.

Who did these observations? Why do we have to trust the claimings of so called spin directions? We do not have to. You can not support a lie with another lie. It was the method suggested in torah 2500 years ago. It is not working anymore.

It appears to be your default debating style, anything or anyone you don’t like or understand you call lies or liars.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 21, 2019, 03:07:03 AM
intense low pressure systems,  Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones are represented in a map provided by NASA or its partners. These are so called satellite view presentatios (not real photos). Since satellites are already isn't exist so these video representations are all fake.
I mentioned no satellies or photos from satellites. The things that I described need no satellites of photos from satellites! They are simple weather map observations.

Who did these observations? Why do we have to trust the claimings of so called spin directions? We do not have to. You can not support a lie with another lie. It was the method suggested in torah 2500 years ago. It is not working anymore.

It appears to be your default debating style, anything or anyone you don’t like or understand you call lies or liars.

Explicitly, the term lie or lying is not used as an argument but just the reminder that a lie cannot be supported by another lie. You are trivializing the issue. Your post has nothing about issue but insulting.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 21, 2019, 05:28:23 AM
intense low pressure systems,  Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones are represented in a map provided by NASA or its partners. These are so called satellite view presentatios (not real photos). Since satellites are already isn't exist so these video representations are all fake.
I mentioned no satellies or photos from satellites. The things that I described need no satellites of photos from satellites! They are simple weather map observations.

Who did these observations? Why do we have to trust the claimings of so called spin directions? We do not have to. You can not support a lie with another lie. It was the method suggested in torah 2500 years ago. It is not working anymore.
I refuse to debate with someone who calls these measurements "lies"!
But for your information, I am not supporting any lie and you have never shown any evidence that what I claimed was not true!

But what YOU call "so-called spin directions" can be observed by anyone with experience in cyclones and hurricanes or anyone that bother to understand weather maps.

The map in sokarul's post has nothing to do with NASA and is simply a map of the tracks of hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones.
This information comes mainly from weather services and often from the numerous weather radar sites around the world - we have at least three within range of here.
In my opinion the Coriolis effect is best seen in hurricanes, specifically maps of their paths.

(https://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/7000/7079/tropical_cyclone_map_lrg.gif)

The band in the middle lines up with where there is the least coriolis effect.

Surely you must be familiar with weather maps like that in here:
Quote
Wind Direction Maps (http://www.laketyersbeach.net.au/winddirection.html)
Below is the BOM synoptic chart for a day early in June.  High pressure zones cause the heated air to rise from low down to first move upwards then outwards in anti-clockwise spirals, whereas the low pressure areas create the opposite, they draw air inwards and downwards in clockwise spirals.  (ie in the Southern Hemisphere). I have added some coloured arrows below  to highlight these ideas.  If the weather was so easy to predict then our life would be so much easier, however in reality there are so many influences,  and we are lucky if we get half of it right :-) As we can see from the information above the wind directions locally can switch around quite quickly and rarely follow the precise patterns given in a synoptic chart, hence the usefulness of a local weather station.   
(http://www.laketyersbeach.net.au/winddirection/IDX0894.gif)
Note how here in the Southern Hemisphere the winds blow clockwise around "Lows" and anti-clockwise around "Highs".
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 21, 2019, 05:36:41 AM

Surely you must be familiar with weather maps like that in here:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/NM59MM.png)

Sorry I don't get what you meant. This map proves nothing. Even it proves otherwise. What can be easier than to add some arrows which direction you want to an empty map?

If you want, I can correct your tropical storm map too. Just open an empty mercador projection and draw on it some lines. What is evidence here, other than you can draw lines?
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 21, 2019, 08:34:59 AM


I did it now. According to your claiming;

I have proved the coriolis effect is not exist. Else brillant suggestions?
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How far away were your air pressure measurements, and what values did you get?
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: Ozymandias74 on July 21, 2019, 11:36:45 AM
One thing I would like to point out based on the storm tracks in the previously provided images, notice how no storm has EVER crossed the equator.   There is a sharp line alone the equator that marks the boundaries of storms in the southern and northern hemisphere.  This is because it is impossible for any storm to ever cross the equator.   This is due to the coriolis effect and the fact that storms spin one direction in the northern hemisphere and the other direction in the southern hemisphere.   To cross the equator a storm would literally have to change its direction of rotation.
Whether you believe in a flat earth or round earth, something is keeping storms from crossing the equator.  The round earth model has a nice explanation for this (the coriolis effect).   What reason does the flat earth model have for storms never crossing the equator?
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 21, 2019, 03:34:33 PM
One thing I would like to point out based on the storm tracks in the previously provided images, notice how no storm has EVER crossed the equator.
I thought they could cross the equator, it was just quite rare.
They die quite quickly near the equator as there is nothing to keep them rotating.

What we never see is one cross the equator and keep going/get stronger.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: Ozymandias74 on July 21, 2019, 06:12:51 PM
One thing I would like to point out based on the storm tracks in the previously provided images, notice how no storm has EVER crossed the equator.
I thought they could cross the equator, it was just quite rare.
They die quite quickly near the equator as there is nothing to keep them rotating.

What we never see is one cross the equator and keep going/get stronger.

I should clarify.  Based on the data provided, no known storm has crossed the equator.   I said a hurricane/cyclone cannot cross the equator.  It is theoretically possible for a storm to cross the equator and maintain its spin direction even against the coriolis force.  it would have to be a very intense storm, but i suppose it is possible.  It is just extremely unlikely and as I said, it has never been seen in the satellite era, since we have been able to track storms from space (the last 50-60 years).   Generally speaking hurricanes get weaker as they get closer to the equator, but that does not rule out the possibility that a storm could be intense enough to cross the equator and maintain its spin against the coriolis effect.  The images provided in a previous post clearly shows that no hurricanes have ever crossed the equator, but just because it has not happened in the last 50 years, does not mean it cannot EVER happen.  it just means its very unlikely.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 21, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
Sorry I don't get what you meant. This map proves nothing. Even it proves otherwise. What can be easier than to add some arrows which direction you want to an empty map?
That map proves a lot!
It proves that you have no understanding of meteorology and have no chance of understanding Highs, Lows, Hurricanes, Typhoons or Cyclones.
Hence you cannot possibly understand the significance of the wind directions around each.
.
Quote from: wise
If you want, I can correct your tropical storm map too. Just open an empty mercador projection and draw on it some lines. What is evidence here, other than you can draw lines?
The "lines" are the paths of all recorded Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones showing that they do not cross the equator and there is an obvious band either side of the equator where there are very few.

I really don't know why you bother posting of topics that you obviously know nothing about.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 21, 2019, 09:34:37 PM
One thing I would like to point out based on the storm tracks in the previously provided images, notice how no storm has EVER crossed the equator.
I thought they could cross the equator, it was just quite rare.
They die quite quickly near the equator as there is nothing to keep them rotating.

What we never see is one cross the equator and keep going/get stronger.

Okay, so where we stand is that the flat-earthers don't want to perform the weather observation, showing the coriolis effect. They don't trust the methodology of any experiment that proves a round Earth, and they don't trust anything observed by other people.

Maybe FE is actually a medical condition.  I wonder if it is covered by Obamacare.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 21, 2019, 09:58:39 PM
Maybe FE is actually a medical condition.  I wonder if it is covered by Obamacare.
This is becoming Complete Nonsense: More R.I.P. Flat Earth - The Coriolis Effect « Reply #31 on: Today at 02:54:48 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82248.msg2189409#msg2189409).
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 22, 2019, 12:43:53 AM
Sorry I don't get what you meant. This map proves nothing. Even it proves otherwise. What can be easier than to add some arrows which direction you want to an empty map?
That map proves a lot!
It proves that you have no understanding of meteorology and have no chance of understanding Highs, Lows, Hurricanes, Typhoons or Cyclones.
Hence you cannot possibly understand the significance of the wind directions around each.
Nope. It does not prove anything. your claim its prove anything does not magically prove anything. meteorology is the presentation of repetitive weather events with the help of statistics. There is nothing in a weather forecast about wind directions or weather events. These things are making up depends on real forecast comes from statistics.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 22, 2019, 01:41:19 AM
Sorry I don't get what you meant. This map proves nothing. Even it proves otherwise. What can be easier than to add some arrows which direction you want to an empty map?
That map proves a lot!
It proves that you have no understanding of meteorology and have no chance of understanding Highs, Lows, Hurricanes, Typhoons or Cyclones.
Hence you cannot possibly understand the significance of the wind directions around each.
Nope. It does not prove anything. your claim its prove anything does not magically prove anything. meteorology is the presentation of repetitive weather events with the help of statistics. There is nothing in a weather forecast about wind directions or weather events. These things are making up depends on real forecast comes from statistics.
I showed you a synoptic weather chart that is used to assist in weather forecasting and you refused to explain it.
Here, this one:
Quote
Wind Direction Maps (http://www.laketyersbeach.net.au/winddirection.html)
Below is the BOM synoptic chart for a day early in June.  High pressure zones cause the heated air to rise from low down to first move upwards then outwards in anti-clockwise spirals, whereas the low pressure areas create the opposite, they draw air inwards and downwards in clockwise spirals.  (ie in the Southern Hemisphere). I have added some coloured arrows below  to highlight these ideas.  If the weather was so easy to predict then our life would be so much easier, however in reality there are so many influences,  and we are lucky if we get half of it right :-) As we can see from the information above the wind directions locally can switch around quite quickly and rarely follow the precise patterns given in a synoptic chart, hence the usefulness of a local weather station.   
(http://www.laketyersbeach.net.au/winddirection/IDX0894.gif)
Note how here in the Southern Hemisphere the winds blow clockwise around "Lows" and anti-clockwise around "Highs".

If you are ignorant of such things then read this: How to read synoptic weather charts (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/how-weather-works/synoptic-weather-chart)

Don't blame me for your ignorance about meteorology,
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 22, 2019, 05:21:21 AM
(https://resimyukle.xyz/d/NM59MM.png)
Don't blame me for my ignorance about meteorology,

Okay I don't blame you for your ignorance about meteorology. We know everything about meteorology is a statistics relevant with moon and sun position and hours and a few other small affects. I've done a working about it. I think you want to me motivate to continue that working. Why do you do that? Anyways.

All we see that how here in the Southern Hemisphere the winds blow both clockwise and anti clockwise around "Lows" and both clockwise and anti-clockwise around "Highs".
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 22, 2019, 05:46:39 AM
(http://www.laketyersbeach.net.au/winddirection/IDX0894.gif)
Don't blame me for my ignorance about meteorology,

Okay I don't blame you for your ignorance about meteorology. We know everything about meteorology is a statistics relevant with moon and sun position and hours and a few other small affects. I've done a working about it. I think you want to me motivate to continue that working. Why do you do that? Anyways.

All we see that how here in the Southern Hemisphere the winds blow both clockwise and anti clockwise around "Lows" and both clockwise and anti-clockwise around "Highs".
No, they do not "blow both clockwise and anti clockwise around 'Lows' and both clockwise and anti-clockwise around 'Highs'.
In the Southern Hemisphere the winds blow clockwise around 'Lows' and anti-clockwise around 'Highs'. Get used to the facts for once in your life!

Except in the drawing that YOU FAKED!
And I'm getting totally sick of your continually altering the contents of quotes and altering photos and diagrams!

Snce you obviously have no useful information to add on the topic we are done here too!
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 22, 2019, 05:51:31 AM
(https://resimyukle.xyz/d/NM59MM.png)
Snce you obviously have no useful information to add on the topic we are done here too!

You are constantly done but other you's never done, we know.  :)

Your writing red and bold proves you are in anger. Why so anger? So you know you are wrong , cornered and start to be an angry globularist one more time, right?

I don't blame you for your ignorance about meteorology. It definitely is a statistic repeating itself depends on moon and sun location. Your claiming its relationship with some effects have no value more than claiming its being relevant with anything lonegranger has in his hand.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: MouseWalker on July 22, 2019, 09:02:55 AM
(https://resimyukle.xyz/d/NM59MM.png)
Snce you obviously have no useful information to add on the topic we are done here too!

You are constantly done but other you's never done, we know.  :)

Your writing red and bold proves you are in anger. Why so anger? So you know you are wrong , cornered and start to be an angry globularist one more time, right?

I don't blame you for your ignorance about meteorology. It definitely is a statistic repeating itself depends on moon and sun location. Your claiming its relationship with some effects have no value more than claiming its being relevant with anything lonegranger has in his hand.
? moon and sun location, where are thy on the map, how do thy make changes on the map?
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 22, 2019, 02:04:56 PM
All we see that how here in the Southern Hemisphere the winds blow both clockwise and anti clockwise around "Lows" and both clockwise and anti-clockwise around "Highs".
You mean we see that you just grow and draw on extra arrows to ignore the evidence that shows you are wrong.

If you don't trust the mountains of evidence provided by others, feel free to go and obtain it all yourself.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 22, 2019, 03:22:07 PM
(https://resimyukle.xyz/d/NM59MM.png)
Snce you obviously have no useful information to add on the topic we are done here too!

You are constantly done but other you's never done, we know.  :)

Your writing red and bold proves you are in anger. Why so anger?
Not anger, just disgust that you would stoop so low as to change what I said and change the diagram that I used!

Quote from: wise
So you know you are wrong , cornered and start to be an angry globularist one more time, right?
Incorrect again!

Quote from: wise
I don't blame you for your ignorance about meteorology. It definitely is a statistic repeating itself depends on moon and sun location. Your claiming its relationship with some effects have no value more than claiming its being relevant with anything lonegranger has in his hand.
Incorrect again!

Your repeatedly changing my quotes and repeatedly falsifying my diagrams proves that you are dishonest and I do not debate proven dishonest people.

Come back when you are prepared for an honest debate without your altering my quotes and my diagrams.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 22, 2019, 04:47:50 PM
(https://resimyukle.xyz/d/NM59MM.png)
Snce you obviously have no useful information to add on the topic we are done here too!

You are constantly done but other you's never done, we know.  :)

Your writing red and bold proves you are in anger. Why so anger? So you know you are wrong , cornered and start to be an angry globularist one more time, right?

I don't blame you for your ignorance about meteorology. It definitely is a statistic repeating itself depends on moon and sun location. Your claiming its relationship with some effects have no value more than claiming its being relevant with anything lonegranger has in his hand.

(http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/SFCUS/t0.gif)

This is the current surface wind analysis showing clockwise circulation around a High in the north central U.S. and counterclockwise rotation around a Low in southeast U.S., consistent with the coriolis effect.  There are hundres of millions of people who are experiencing the effect of these weather systems.  This proves Coriolis.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 22, 2019, 09:18:24 PM
(https://resimyukle.xyz/d/NM59MM.png)
Snce you obviously have no useful information to add on the topic we are done here too!

You are constantly done but other you's never done, we know.  :)

Your writing red and bold proves you are in anger. Why so anger? So you know you are wrong , cornered and start to be an angry globularist one more time, right?

I don't blame you for your ignorance about meteorology. It definitely is a statistic repeating itself depends on moon and sun location. Your claiming its relationship with some effects have no value more than claiming its being relevant with anything lonegranger has in his hand.

(http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/SFCUS/t0.gif)

This is the current surface wind analysis showing clockwise circulation around a High in the north central U.S. and counterclockwise rotation around a Low in southeast U.S., consistent with the coriolis effect.  There are hundres of millions of people who are experiencing the effect of these weather systems.  This proves Coriolis.

To help with how this works across the globe, here is an illustration of the global circulations. (http://stream1.cmatc.cn/pub/comet/FireWeather/S290Unit7WindSystems/comet/fire/s290/unit7/media/graphics/prevailwinds.jpg)

Notice in the northern hemisphere, sinking air deflects to right, following a clockwise direction.

By the way, the FE Society reference on Coriolis is incorrectly referencing ocean circulations in the northern hemisphere.  Those clockwise circulations follow the rules of the Coriolis effect, but the FE page mistakenly says they're supposed to follow a counterclockwise path.  The FE society though the rule of counterclockwise rotation in the northern hemisphere applied to everything.  You'd figure after 12 years someone would have caught that.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: wise on July 22, 2019, 11:43:22 PM
It proves nothing. You are free to write numbers which ever you want on an empty map. Grow up and learn what is real argument. Above childish drawings definitely are not argument. Their being belong to any institutions do not make them magically arguments. Because we are already denying their -so called- profession.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: Macarios on July 23, 2019, 05:09:24 AM
Here is some testing of the east / west shots, where Earth's rotation lenghtens or shortens the bullet travel.




Bullets don't care if we like these results or not.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 23, 2019, 09:47:52 AM
It proves nothing. You are free to write numbers which ever you want on an empty map. Grow up and learn what is real argument. Above childish drawings definitely are not argument. Their being belong to any institutions do not make them magically arguments. Because we are already denying their -so called- profession.

If you don't beleive the hundred million people experiencing these weather conditions, you can go measure them yourself.

Also, the last flight you took relied on weather professionals so the plane wouldn't crash.  They're real people doing important stuff.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: Plat Terra on July 23, 2019, 08:20:44 PM
Rising air parcels rotate counterclockwise in the northern hemishpere, while sinking air parcels and ocean currents rotate clockwise.  This large-scale effect is reversed in the southern hemisphere and is more noticeable at higher latitudes.  I have produced highly accurate weather forecasts for the last 14 years, using math that factors in the angular velocity of the rotating globe and the coriolis parameter.  Cyclones in the southern hemisphere would rotate opposite the way they do and be as much as 5 times larger than they actually are.  FE-theory would never be able to forecast out any cyclone with any degree of accuracy.

I hear snipers have to account for the Coriolis Effect because of Earths rotation. Does this mean the target will have moved with the rotation of Earth before the fired projectile hits it's target?
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 23, 2019, 09:53:40 PM
Rising air parcels rotate counterclockwise in the northern hemishpere, while sinking air parcels and ocean currents rotate clockwise.  This large-scale effect is reversed in the southern hemisphere and is more noticeable at higher latitudes.  I have produced highly accurate weather forecasts for the last 14 years, using math that factors in the angular velocity of the rotating globe and the coriolis parameter.  Cyclones in the southern hemisphere would rotate opposite the way they do and be as much as 5 times larger than they actually are.  FE-theory would never be able to forecast out any cyclone with any degree of accuracy.

I hear snipers have to account for the Coriolis Effect because of Earths rotation. Does this mean the target will have moved with the rotation of Earth before the fired projectile hits it's target?
Yes. The bullet leaves the stationary rifle in a straight line.  The Earth is moving underneath the bullet path. The apparent effect is the bullet curves slightly to the right.  The actual movement is the ground moving to left as the Earth rotates.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 23, 2019, 10:07:28 PM
Rising air parcels rotate counterclockwise in the northern hemishpere, while sinking air parcels and ocean currents rotate clockwise.  This large-scale effect is reversed in the southern hemisphere and is more noticeable at higher latitudes.  I have produced highly accurate weather forecasts for the last 14 years, using math that factors in the angular velocity of the rotating globe and the coriolis parameter.  Cyclones in the southern hemisphere would rotate opposite the way they do and be as much as 5 times larger than they actually are.  FE-theory would never be able to forecast out any cyclone with any degree of accuracy.

I hear snipers have to account for the Coriolis Effect because of Earths rotation. Does this mean the target will have moved with the rotation of Earth before the fired projectile hits it's target?
Yes. Though the important point is that when firing north or south the target moves east a slightly different distance than the bullet.
Over sniper ranges it is just one effect, along with windage, fall, target motion and aiming accuracy.

A far more significant effect is on long range artillery and ballistic missiles.
Have a look at this and the rest of the article:
Quote
The Dreadnought Project: Coriolis effect (http://dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/Coriolis_effect)

The Coriolis effect is a perceptual cause of apparent influence on a long range projectile's flight attributable to a continual change in frame of reference as it arcs high above a round and spinning planet. It is often falsely thought to be a physical force, but this is not the case.

By World War II, long range naval gunnery had evolved to the point that the Coriolis effect was treated as part of the technological synthesis of a gunnery solution in battle. In World War I, however, it was largely left untreated — and for sound reason.

Nature of the Effect

The Coriolis effect is caused by changes in the distance between a shell in flight across latitudes and the axis of the earth's rotation. If we consider the most extreme illustration of this, a shell fired from the North Pole along the Prime Meridian to arrive after a 1 hour time-of-flight at the equator, it is easier to visualise. In this simplified case, the shell watches the impact zone spin away from it for a full hour. The gunners, spinning with their mounting, will see the shell appear to wander to the right 15 degrees (360/24) from what they felt was its point of aim, as though an invisible hand had pushed it. If they had fired northward, the direction of apparent error in deflection would have been to the left. More realistically moderate differences in firing and impact latitude and time-of-flight would have more moderate influence on the discrepancy in firing bearing and observed impact bearing. It is an issue, however modest, in extremely long range gunnery.
And BIG BOOK OF WARFARE and other stuff: Correcting for the Coriolis Effect (https://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Ballistics/Ext/Corolis_Effect.htm)
Neither of these is interested in the flat earth/Globe question.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: Plat Terra on July 23, 2019, 10:11:12 PM
Rising air parcels rotate counterclockwise in the northern hemishpere, while sinking air parcels and ocean currents rotate clockwise.  This large-scale effect is reversed in the southern hemisphere and is more noticeable at higher latitudes.  I have produced highly accurate weather forecasts for the last 14 years, using math that factors in the angular velocity of the rotating globe and the coriolis parameter.  Cyclones in the southern hemisphere would rotate opposite the way they do and be as much as 5 times larger than they actually are.  FE-theory would never be able to forecast out any cyclone with any degree of accuracy.

I hear snipers have to account for the Coriolis Effect because of Earths rotation. Does this mean the target will have moved with the rotation of Earth before the fired projectile hits it's target?
Yes. The bullet leaves the stationary rifle in a straight line.  The Earth is moving underneath the bullet path. The apparent effect is the bullet curves slightly to the right.  The actual movement is the ground moving to left as the Earth rotates.

Well, the stationary rifle is really already moving with the Earth, so when the projectile is fired it's already in motion with the Earth, hence no need for any adjustments.

And if the Earth has already rotated while the projectile is in route, what direction will a fluffy feather fall on a calm still morning?

And balloonist's don't all drift the same direction on a calm still morning.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 23, 2019, 11:02:19 PM
Well, the stationary rifle is really already moving with the Earth, so when the projectile is fired it's already in motion with the Earth, hence no need for any adjustments.
But the earth's surface velocity varies with latitude from about 464 m/s at the equator, 323 m/s at 45° latitude to zero at the poles.
In WW1 the Germans were firing on Paris (48.8566° N) from Picardy (49.6636° N) about 113 km almost due North.
At Picardy the earth's surface velocity would be 300.23 m/s and in Paris 305.18 m/s.
Writer and journalist Adam Hochschild put it this way: "It took about three minutes for each giant shell to cover the distance to the city, climbing to an altitude of 25 miles (40 km) at the top of its trajectory."

I'll let you work out why they had to allow for the Coriolis effect. See lat Earth Debate / Re: Long Range Snipers & the Coriolis Effect. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64533.msg1872311;topicseen#msg1872311)

Quote from: Plat Terra
And if the Earth has already rotated while the projectile is in route, what direction will a fluffy feather fall on a calm still morning?

And balloonist's don't all drift the same direction on a calm still morning.
All of which is quite irrelevant to a projectile from a gun with a muzzle velocity of 1,640 m/s .
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: Stash on July 23, 2019, 11:27:49 PM
Rising air parcels rotate counterclockwise in the northern hemishpere, while sinking air parcels and ocean currents rotate clockwise.  This large-scale effect is reversed in the southern hemisphere and is more noticeable at higher latitudes.  I have produced highly accurate weather forecasts for the last 14 years, using math that factors in the angular velocity of the rotating globe and the coriolis parameter.  Cyclones in the southern hemisphere would rotate opposite the way they do and be as much as 5 times larger than they actually are.  FE-theory would never be able to forecast out any cyclone with any degree of accuracy.

I hear snipers have to account for the Coriolis Effect because of Earths rotation. Does this mean the target will have moved with the rotation of Earth before the fired projectile hits it's target?
Yes. The bullet leaves the stationary rifle in a straight line.  The Earth is moving underneath the bullet path. The apparent effect is the bullet curves slightly to the right.  The actual movement is the ground moving to left as the Earth rotates.

Well, the stationary rifle is really already moving with the Earth, so when the projectile is fired it's already in motion with the Earth, hence no need for any adjustments.

And if the Earth has already rotated while the projectile is in route, what direction will a fluffy feather fall on a calm still morning?

And balloonist's don't all drift the same direction on a calm still morning.

Not really addressing your questions directly other than on the planet, the Coriolis Effect is ever so slight. But if you magnify it, as in this demonstration, it kind of helps to get the concept. And it's cool:

Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 24, 2019, 03:29:26 AM
I hear snipers have to account for the Coriolis Effect because of Earths rotation. Does this mean the target will have moved with the rotation of Earth before the fired projectile hits it's target?
Yes, but not as a simple case of moving just based upon the rotation.
The bullet will have a sideways velocity due to the rotation as well, and it is this linear velocity that is conserved. It wont just rotate with Earth.
A simple case to consider is shooting inwards or outwards, i.e. towards or away from the axis of rotation. This means the bullet is moving faster than the target. It keeps this greater sideways velocity and thus would miss the target if you aimed directly at it, ending up too far east.
If instead you shot from the inside out then the sideways velocity of the bullet is less and it misses to the west.
Note that in the northern hemisphere this means it misses to the right, regardless of what direction you shoot.
In the southern hemisphere it will miss to the left.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: Macarios on July 24, 2019, 06:19:35 AM
Well, the stationary rifle is really already moving with the Earth, so when the projectile is fired it's already in motion with the Earth, hence no need for any adjustments.

Target is also moving with the Earth and it is not where the bullet was aiming when fired.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 26, 2019, 08:47:30 AM
Rising air parcels rotate counterclockwise in the northern hemishpere, while sinking air parcels and ocean currents rotate clockwise.  This large-scale effect is reversed in the southern hemisphere and is more noticeable at higher latitudes.  I have produced highly accurate weather forecasts for the last 14 years, using math that factors in the angular velocity of the rotating globe and the coriolis parameter.  Cyclones in the southern hemisphere would rotate opposite the way they do and be as much as 5 times larger than they actually are.  FE-theory would never be able to forecast out any cyclone with any degree of accuracy.

I hear snipers have to account for the Coriolis Effect because of Earths rotation. Does this mean the target will have moved with the rotation of Earth before the fired projectile hits it's target?
Yes. The bullet leaves the stationary rifle in a straight line.  The Earth is moving underneath the bullet path. The apparent effect is the bullet curves slightly to the right.  The actual movement is the ground moving to left as the Earth rotates.

Well, the stationary rifle is really already moving with the Earth, so when the projectile is fired it's already in motion with the Earth, hence no need for any adjustments.

And if the Earth has already rotated while the projectile is in route, what direction will a fluffy feather fall on a calm still morning?

And balloonist's don't all drift the same direction on a calm still morning.

The rifle is moving with the Earth, but the Earth rotates in a curve, which a bullet can't follow once it has exited the barrel.  That's why it it ends up to the right.  The bullet follows a straight path, while the Earth follows a curved path.  From the perspective of a shooter, it appears that the bullet curves to the right.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 29, 2019, 09:56:57 AM
Still waiting for a FE explanation for the Coriolis effect. 
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: sandokhan on July 29, 2019, 10:39:09 AM
The Coriolis force involves a rotating frame of reference: either the Earth is revolving around its own axis, or the ether drift is rotating above the surface of the Earth.

That is why the Coriolis force, gyrocompasses, Foucault's pendulum cannot be used to prove either geocentricity or heliocentricity.

The deciding factor is the GLOBAL SAGNAC EFFECT.

The fact that satellites DO NOT register/record either the orbital Coriolis effect or the rotational Sagnac effect has forced mainstream science to accept the local-aether model.

Mach's principle, Barbour-Bertotti experiment:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg953747#msg953747

Global Sagnac effect formula derivation (MGX, ring laser gyroscopes):

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2117351#msg2117351


Flat earth long distance artillery projectiles DePalma effect:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2029817#msg2029817

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2032069#msg2032069

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2106204#msg2106204


Now, I am going to put an end to your presence here as a professional meteorologist.

Here is the barometer pressure paradox.

"It has been known now for two and a half centuries, that there are more or less daily variations in the height of the barometer, culminating in two maxima and two minima during the course of 24 hours. The same observation has been made and puzzled over at every station at which pressure records were kept and studied, but without success in finding for it the complete physical explanation."


First, the correct station pressure data as it is measured all around the world.

First reference.

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DATA:


The most basic change in pressure is the twice daily rise and fall in due to the heating from the sun. Each day, around 4 a.m./p.m. the pressure is at its lowest and near its peak around 10 a.m./p.m. The magnitude of the daily cycle is greatest near the equator decreasing toward the poles.

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/yos/resource/JetStream/atmos/pressure.htm (http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/yos/resource/JetStream/atmos/pressure.htm)

Each day, around 4 a.m./p.m. the pressure is at its lowest and near its peak around 10 a.m./p.m.


Second reference.

GRAPHS SHOWING THE DAILY SEMIDIURNAL BAROMETRIC PRESSURE CHANGES AT 10:00 AM/10:00 PM (MAXIMUMS) AND 4:00 PM/4:00 AM (MINIMUMS):

http://www.geografia.fflch.usp.br/graduacao/apoio/Apoio/Apoio_Elisa/flg0355/textos/Ahrens_cap9.pdf (http://www.geografia.fflch.usp.br/graduacao/apoio/Apoio/Apoio_Elisa/flg0355/textos/Ahrens_cap9.pdf) (PG. 211)


Third reference.

A remarkable characteristic of the semi-diurnal barometric variation is the regularity of the occurrence of the maxima and minima and their uniformity in time of day in all latitudes. While the amplitude of these waves may vary greatly with latitude, with elevation, and with location, whether over the sea or over the land, the local times of maxima and minima are very constant.

http://www.archive.org/stream/bulletinobserv06terruoft/bulletinobserv06terruoft_djvu.txt (http://www.archive.org/stream/bulletinobserv06terruoft/bulletinobserv06terruoft_djvu.txt)
(Bulletin of Applied Physical Science)


A remarkable characteristic of the semi-diurnal barometric variation is the regularity of the occurrence of the maxima and minima and their uniformity in time of day in all latitudes.

ALL LATITUDES, no exception recorded.

EVER.


Fourth reference.

It has been known now for two and a half centuries, that there are more or less daily variations in the height of the barometer, culminating in two maxima and two minima during the course of 24 hours. The same observation has been made and puzzled over at every station at which pressure records were kept and studied, but without success in finding for it the complete physical explanation. In speaking of the diurnal and semidiurnal variations of the barometer, Lord Rayleigh says: ‘The relative magnitude of the latter [semidiurnal variations], as observed at most parts of the earth’s surface, is still a mystery, all the attempted explanations being illusory.



Fifth reference.

The atmospheric pressure is greatest at about 10:00 a.m. and 10:00 pm. and least at about 4:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. The variations are primarily the result of the combined effects of the sun's gravitational attraction and solar heating, with solar heating being the major component.

http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00001262/00001 (http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00001262/00001)


THIS REFERENCE EVEN HAS A GRAPH ATTACHED WHICH DOES SHOW THE 10:00 AM AND 10:00 PM MAXIMUMS (PAGE 569).


The best reference from Soil Engineering.

The atmospheric pressure is greatest at about 10:00 a.m. and 10:00 pm. and least at about 4:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m.


Sixth reference.

The barometric pressure curve shows a portion of the normal twice-daily oscillation that occurs due to solar and lunar gravitational forces (atmospheric tides), with high pressures at approximately 10:00 AM and PM, and low pressures at 4:00 AM and PM.

http://info.ngwa.org/gwol/pdf/930158405.PDF (http://info.ngwa.org/gwol/pdf/930158405.PDF)


Seventh reference.


http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap01/diurnal.html (http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap01/diurnal.html)

Surface pressure measurements in Taiwan (at 25 deg. N) are least around 4am and (especially) 4 pm Local Standard Time, and most around (especially) 10am, and 10pm LST; the amplitude of the semidiurnal cycle is about 1.4 hPa.


Eighth reference.


http://books.google.ro/books?id=vNkZAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA217&lpg=RA1-PA217&dq=barometer+pressure+semidiurnal+change+10+am+4+pm&source=bl&ots=zgQHfJMC_w&sig=NMbmgLuqwPVwEfGVp3WuSu8Mdgg&hl=ro&sa=X&ei=-As4UqWRL4qp4ATI2ICIBA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=barometer%20pressure%20semidiurnal%20change%2010%20am%204%20pm&f=false (http://books.google.ro/books?id=vNkZAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA217&lpg=RA1-PA217&dq=barometer+pressure+semidiurnal+change+10+am+4+pm&source=bl&ots=zgQHfJMC_w&sig=NMbmgLuqwPVwEfGVp3WuSu8Mdgg&hl=ro&sa=X&ei=-As4UqWRL4qp4ATI2ICIBA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=barometer%20pressure%20semidiurnal%20change%2010%20am%204%20pm&f=false)

THIS IS REAL SCIENCE: DAILY SEMIDIURNAL CHANGES IN THE BAROMETER PRESSURE READING.

Maximums at 10:00 am and 10:00 pm, and minimums at 4:00 am and 4:00 pm.



Ninth reference.

Humboldt carried a barometer with him on his famous South American journeys of 1799-1804. In his book Cosmos he remarked that the two daily maxima at about 10 a.m. and 10 p.m. were so regular that his barometer could serve somewhat as a clock.

http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/29_Atmos_Tides.pdf (http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/29_Atmos_Tides.pdf)

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7028/5ou6.jpg)

U.S. Weather Bureau, “Ten-Year Normals of Pressure Tendencies and Hourly Station Pressures for the United States,”
Technical Paper No. 1, Washington, D.C. 1943.

Semidiurnal variations: maximums at 10:00 am/10:00 pm and minimums at 4:00 pm/4:00 am

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9360/gr7f.jpg)

Surface pressure exhibits a remarkably stable semidiurnal oscillation with maxima at 10 a.m. and 10 p.m. and minima at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m. local time. This semidiurnal oscillation in surface pressure is a universal phenomenon observed worldwide and can be identified even in disturbed weather conditions.

http://amselvam.webs.com/SEN1/bio2met.htm (http://amselvam.webs.com/SEN1/bio2met.htm)



NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DATA:


The most basic change in pressure is the twice daily rise and fall in due to the heating from the sun. Each day, around 4 a.m./p.m. the pressure is at its lowest and near its peak around 10 a.m./p.m.


A remarkable characteristic of the semi-diurnal barometric variation is the regularity of the occurrence of the maxima and minima and their uniformity in time of day in all latitudes. (Bulletin of Applied Physical Science)


ALL LATITUDES, no exception recorded.

Surface pressure exhibits a remarkably stable semidiurnal oscillation with maxima at 10 a.m. and 10 p.m. and minima at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m. local time. This semidiurnal oscillation in surface pressure is a universal phenomenon observed worldwide and can be identified even in disturbed weather conditions.


BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX

One maximum is at 10 a.m., the other at 10 p.m.; the two minima are at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m.

The heating effect of the sun can explain neither the time when the maxima appear nor the time of the minima of these semidiurnal variations.

If the pressure becomes lower without the air becoming lighter through a lateral expansion due to heat, this must mean that the same mass of air gravitates with changing force at different hours.


Lord Rayleigh: ‘The relative magnitude of the latter [semidiurnal variations], as observed at most parts of the earth’s surface, is still a mystery, all the attempted explanations being illusory.’



Currently, the barometer pressure paradox CANNOT BE EXPLAINED AT ALL.

Richard Lindzen tried, some 40 years ago, to include the effects of ozone and water absorption in the atmospheric tide equations; notwithstanding that in his original paper he did express some doubts, the scientific community happily concluded that the barometer pressure paradox has been solved.


Not by a long shot.

Here is S.J. Woolnough's paper detailing the gross error/omission made by Lindzen.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JAS3290.1

While the surface pressure signal of the simulated atmospheric tides in the model agree well with both theory and observations in their magnitude and phase, sensitivity experiments suggest that the role of the stratospheric ozone in forcing the semidiurnal tide is much reduced compared to theoretical predictions. Furthermore, the influence of the cloud radiative effects seems small. It is suggested that the radiative heating profile in the troposphere, associated primarily with the water vapor distribution, is more important than previously thought for driving the semidiurnal tide.

Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: sokarul on July 29, 2019, 12:06:07 PM
Looks to me like hurricanes register the coriolis effect.

In my opinion the Coriolis effect is best seen in hurricanes, specifically maps of their paths.

(https://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/7000/7079/tropical_cyclone_map_lrg.gif)

The band in the middle lines up with where there is the least coriolis effect.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 29, 2019, 01:53:02 PM
The Coriolis force involves a rotating frame of reference: either the Earth is revolving around its own axis, or the ether drift is rotating above the surface of the Earth.
Except there is no justification for it in the context of ether drift.
Why should ether drifting affect a pendulum?
Especially as the ether doesn't exist.

The deciding factor is the GLOBAL SAGNAC EFFECT.
Something which you have repeatedly shown you do not understand.

If you want to discuss the Sagnac effect, go run back to one of the countless threads that had already discussed it and shown that your claims regarding it are pure fiction.

It has no place here.

Mach's principle
Mach's principle is nothing more than an unsubstantiated claim which makes no sense at all.

Do you have anything to say on the topic, or just mountains of spam?
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 29, 2019, 02:35:18 PM
The Coriolis force involves a rotating frame of reference: either the Earth is revolving around its own axis, or the ether drift is rotating above the surface of the Earth.

That is why the Coriolis force, gyrocompasses, Foucault's pendulum cannot be used to prove either geocentricity or heliocentricity.

The deciding factor is the GLOBAL SAGNAC EFFECT.

The fact that satellites DO NOT register/record either the orbital Coriolis effect or the rotational Sagnac effect has forced mainstream science to accept the local-aether model.

Mach's principle, Barbour-Bertotti experiment:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg953747#msg953747

Global Sagnac effect formula derivation (MGX, ring laser gyroscopes):

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2117351#msg2117351


Flat earth long distance artillery projectiles DePalma effect:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2029817#msg2029817

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2032069#msg2032069

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2106204#msg2106204


Now, I am going to put an end to your presence here as a professional meteorologist.

Here is the barometer pressure paradox.

"It has been known now for two and a half centuries, that there are more or less daily variations in the height of the barometer, culminating in two maxima and two minima during the course of 24 hours. The same observation has been made and puzzled over at every station at which pressure records were kept and studied, but without success in finding for it the complete physical explanation."


First, the correct station pressure data as it is measured all around the world.

First reference.

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DATA:


The most basic change in pressure is the twice daily rise and fall in due to the heating from the sun. Each day, around 4 a.m./p.m. the pressure is at its lowest and near its peak around 10 a.m./p.m. The magnitude of the daily cycle is greatest near the equator decreasing toward the poles.

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/yos/resource/JetStream/atmos/pressure.htm (http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/yos/resource/JetStream/atmos/pressure.htm)

Each day, around 4 a.m./p.m. the pressure is at its lowest and near its peak around 10 a.m./p.m.


Second reference.

GRAPHS SHOWING THE DAILY SEMIDIURNAL BAROMETRIC PRESSURE CHANGES AT 10:00 AM/10:00 PM (MAXIMUMS) AND 4:00 PM/4:00 AM (MINIMUMS):

http://www.geografia.fflch.usp.br/graduacao/apoio/Apoio/Apoio_Elisa/flg0355/textos/Ahrens_cap9.pdf (http://www.geografia.fflch.usp.br/graduacao/apoio/Apoio/Apoio_Elisa/flg0355/textos/Ahrens_cap9.pdf) (PG. 211)


Third reference.

A remarkable characteristic of the semi-diurnal barometric variation is the regularity of the occurrence of the maxima and minima and their uniformity in time of day in all latitudes. While the amplitude of these waves may vary greatly with latitude, with elevation, and with location, whether over the sea or over the land, the local times of maxima and minima are very constant.

http://www.archive.org/stream/bulletinobserv06terruoft/bulletinobserv06terruoft_djvu.txt (http://www.archive.org/stream/bulletinobserv06terruoft/bulletinobserv06terruoft_djvu.txt)
(Bulletin of Applied Physical Science)


A remarkable characteristic of the semi-diurnal barometric variation is the regularity of the occurrence of the maxima and minima and their uniformity in time of day in all latitudes.

ALL LATITUDES, no exception recorded.

EVER.


Fourth reference.

It has been known now for two and a half centuries, that there are more or less daily variations in the height of the barometer, culminating in two maxima and two minima during the course of 24 hours. The same observation has been made and puzzled over at every station at which pressure records were kept and studied, but without success in finding for it the complete physical explanation. In speaking of the diurnal and semidiurnal variations of the barometer, Lord Rayleigh says: ‘The relative magnitude of the latter [semidiurnal variations], as observed at most parts of the earth’s surface, is still a mystery, all the attempted explanations being illusory.



Fifth reference.

The atmospheric pressure is greatest at about 10:00 a.m. and 10:00 pm. and least at about 4:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. The variations are primarily the result of the combined effects of the sun's gravitational attraction and solar heating, with solar heating being the major component.

http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00001262/00001 (http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00001262/00001)


THIS REFERENCE EVEN HAS A GRAPH ATTACHED WHICH DOES SHOW THE 10:00 AM AND 10:00 PM MAXIMUMS (PAGE 569).


The best reference from Soil Engineering.

The atmospheric pressure is greatest at about 10:00 a.m. and 10:00 pm. and least at about 4:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m.


Sixth reference.

The barometric pressure curve shows a portion of the normal twice-daily oscillation that occurs due to solar and lunar gravitational forces (atmospheric tides), with high pressures at approximately 10:00 AM and PM, and low pressures at 4:00 AM and PM.

http://info.ngwa.org/gwol/pdf/930158405.PDF (http://info.ngwa.org/gwol/pdf/930158405.PDF)


Seventh reference.


http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap01/diurnal.html (http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap01/diurnal.html)

Surface pressure measurements in Taiwan (at 25 deg. N) are least around 4am and (especially) 4 pm Local Standard Time, and most around (especially) 10am, and 10pm LST; the amplitude of the semidiurnal cycle is about 1.4 hPa.


Eighth reference.


http://books.google.ro/books?id=vNkZAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA217&lpg=RA1-PA217&dq=barometer+pressure+semidiurnal+change+10+am+4+pm&source=bl&ots=zgQHfJMC_w&sig=NMbmgLuqwPVwEfGVp3WuSu8Mdgg&hl=ro&sa=X&ei=-As4UqWRL4qp4ATI2ICIBA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=barometer%20pressure%20semidiurnal%20change%2010%20am%204%20pm&f=false (http://books.google.ro/books?id=vNkZAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA217&lpg=RA1-PA217&dq=barometer+pressure+semidiurnal+change+10+am+4+pm&source=bl&ots=zgQHfJMC_w&sig=NMbmgLuqwPVwEfGVp3WuSu8Mdgg&hl=ro&sa=X&ei=-As4UqWRL4qp4ATI2ICIBA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=barometer%20pressure%20semidiurnal%20change%2010%20am%204%20pm&f=false)

THIS IS REAL SCIENCE: DAILY SEMIDIURNAL CHANGES IN THE BAROMETER PRESSURE READING.

Maximums at 10:00 am and 10:00 pm, and minimums at 4:00 am and 4:00 pm.



Ninth reference.

Humboldt carried a barometer with him on his famous South American journeys of 1799-1804. In his book Cosmos he remarked that the two daily maxima at about 10 a.m. and 10 p.m. were so regular that his barometer could serve somewhat as a clock.

http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/29_Atmos_Tides.pdf (http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/29_Atmos_Tides.pdf)

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7028/5ou6.jpg)

U.S. Weather Bureau, “Ten-Year Normals of Pressure Tendencies and Hourly Station Pressures for the United States,”
Technical Paper No. 1, Washington, D.C. 1943.

Semidiurnal variations: maximums at 10:00 am/10:00 pm and minimums at 4:00 pm/4:00 am

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9360/gr7f.jpg)

Surface pressure exhibits a remarkably stable semidiurnal oscillation with maxima at 10 a.m. and 10 p.m. and minima at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m. local time. This semidiurnal oscillation in surface pressure is a universal phenomenon observed worldwide and can be identified even in disturbed weather conditions.

http://amselvam.webs.com/SEN1/bio2met.htm (http://amselvam.webs.com/SEN1/bio2met.htm)



NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DATA:


The most basic change in pressure is the twice daily rise and fall in due to the heating from the sun. Each day, around 4 a.m./p.m. the pressure is at its lowest and near its peak around 10 a.m./p.m.


A remarkable characteristic of the semi-diurnal barometric variation is the regularity of the occurrence of the maxima and minima and their uniformity in time of day in all latitudes. (Bulletin of Applied Physical Science)


ALL LATITUDES, no exception recorded.

Surface pressure exhibits a remarkably stable semidiurnal oscillation with maxima at 10 a.m. and 10 p.m. and minima at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m. local time. This semidiurnal oscillation in surface pressure is a universal phenomenon observed worldwide and can be identified even in disturbed weather conditions.


BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX

One maximum is at 10 a.m., the other at 10 p.m.; the two minima are at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m.

The heating effect of the sun can explain neither the time when the maxima appear nor the time of the minima of these semidiurnal variations.

If the pressure becomes lower without the air becoming lighter through a lateral expansion due to heat, this must mean that the same mass of air gravitates with changing force at different hours.


Lord Rayleigh: ‘The relative magnitude of the latter [semidiurnal variations], as observed at most parts of the earth’s surface, is still a mystery, all the attempted explanations being illusory.’



Currently, the barometer pressure paradox CANNOT BE EXPLAINED AT ALL.

Richard Lindzen tried, some 40 years ago, to include the effects of ozone and water absorption in the atmospheric tide equations; notwithstanding that in his original paper he did express some doubts, the scientific community happily concluded that the barometer pressure paradox has been solved.


Not by a long shot.

Here is S.J. Woolnough's paper detailing the gross error/omission made by Lindzen.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JAS3290.1

While the surface pressure signal of the simulated atmospheric tides in the model agree well with both theory and observations in their magnitude and phase, sensitivity experiments suggest that the role of the stratospheric ozone in forcing the semidiurnal tide is much reduced compared to theoretical predictions. Furthermore, the influence of the cloud radiative effects seems small. It is suggested that the radiative heating profile in the troposphere, associated primarily with the water vapor distribution, is more important than previously thought for driving the semidiurnal tide.

The semidiurnal pressure variation is harmonic with the diurnal cycle. 
It should be pretty obvious, even to non-meteorologists, that it's caused by insolation.  I don't know understand what you're confused about.  And who's talking about geocentricity vs heliocentricity here?

 "Solar heating and regional internal forcing cause gravity waves in the atmosphere at periods of integral fractions of a solar day, especially at the diurnal and semidiurnal periods." -NCAR 1999.

But in the entirely separate issue of the coriolis effect, surface pressure system circulation, and subsequently, geostrophic wind flow, you see contour gradient around subsiding height centers and pressure gradient around high pressure centers generating wind flow outward in a clockwise circulation in the northern hemisphere and counter-clockwise in the southern hemisphere.  In turn, upward vertical motion associated with low height centers or low pressure centers create inward spiraling winds, following a counterclockwise circulation in the northern hemisphere and clockwise in the southern hemisphere.  These are non-diurnal pressure changes.  They follow the coriolis effect...every time. 
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: sandokhan on July 29, 2019, 09:48:42 PM
The semidiurnal pressure variation is harmonic with the diurnal cycle. 

You haven't got a clue as to the subject we are discussing here.

"Beforehand the diurnal variation of the barometer would have been expected to be much more conspicuous than the semi-diurnal. The relative magnitude of the latter, as observed in most parts of the earth's surface, is still a mystery, all the attempted explanations being illusory."

Lord Rayleigh

The semidiurnal surface pressure oscillation is stronger and more regular than the diurnal oscillation.

It should be pretty obvious, even to non-meteorologists, that it's caused by insolation.

Completely wrong.

You have just been presented with ample evidence that solar heating has nothing to do with the semidiurnal atmospheric tide.

BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX

One maximum is at 10 a.m., the other at 10 p.m.; the two minima are at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m.

The heating effect of the sun can explain neither the time when the maxima appear nor the time of the minima of these semidiurnal variations.

If the pressure becomes lower without the air becoming lighter through a lateral expansion due to heat, this must mean that the same mass of air gravitates with changing force at different hours.


A total defiance of Newton's alleged law of universal gravitation: modern meteorology cannot explain at all the barometer pressure paradox.

Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 29, 2019, 11:22:45 PM
The semidiurnal pressure variation is harmonic with the diurnal cycle. 

You haven't got a clue as to the subject we are discussing here.

"Beforehand the diurnal variation of the barometer would have been expected to be much more conspicuous than the semi-diurnal. The relative magnitude of the latter, as observed in most parts of the earth's surface, is still a mystery, all the attempted explanations being illusory."

Lord Rayleigh

The semidiurnal surface pressure oscillation is stronger and more regular than the diurnal oscillation.

It should be pretty obvious, even to non-meteorologists, that it's caused by insolation.

Completely wrong.

You have just been presented with ample evidence that solar heating has nothing to do with the semidiurnal atmospheric tide.

BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX

One maximum is at 10 a.m., the other at 10 p.m.; the two minima are at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m.

The heating effect of the sun can explain neither the time when the maxima appear nor the time of the minima of these semidiurnal variations.

If the pressure becomes lower without the air becoming lighter through a lateral expansion due to heat, this must mean that the same mass of air gravitates with changing force at different hours.


A total defiance of Newton's alleged law of universal gravitation: modern meteorology cannot explain at all the barometer pressure paradox.

As usual, FEers lose their s**t.  As I said, it's harmonic with the diurnal cycle.  In this case insolation is the direct cause of the diurnal cycle, and just to be more clear, the reference from NCAR also explains how the semi-diurnal effects are influenced by the tidal force of the sun, similar to how the moon and the oceans work.  But none of that has to do with cyclonic circulation patterns.

Interesting how you absolutely lose your cool here and essentially scream, but the moderators sit quietly.

More interesting is how you keep harping on these semi-diurnal pressure highs and lows, which don't even address my point about synoptic-scale circulation driven by the coriolis parameter.  Why do keep avoiding the original post?
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 29, 2019, 11:25:54 PM
Rising air parcels rotate counterclockwise in the northern hemishpere, while sinking air parcels and ocean currents rotate clockwise.  This large-scale effect is reversed in the southern hemisphere and is more noticeable at higher latitudes.  I have produced highly accurate weather forecasts for the last 14 years, using math that factors in the angular velocity of the rotating globe and the coriolis parameter.  Cyclones in the southern hemisphere would rotate opposite the way they do and be as much as 5 times larger than they actually are.  FE-theory would never be able to forecast out any cyclone with any degree of accuracy.

In case you forgot what this thread is about...
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: sandokhan on July 30, 2019, 12:22:44 AM
As I said, it's harmonic with the diurnal cycle.  In this case insolation is the direct cause of the diurnal cycle, and just to be more clear, the reference from NCAR also explains how the semi-diurnal effects are influenced by the tidal force of the sun, similar to how the moon and the oceans work.

Your statements and the quote from NCAR do not explain anything at all, on the contrary.

You have not addressed the main issue.

BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX

One maximum is at 10 a.m., the other at 10 p.m.; the two minima are at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m.

The heating effect of the sun can explain neither the time when the maxima appear nor the time of the minima of these semidiurnal variations.

If the pressure becomes lower without the air becoming lighter through a lateral expansion due to heat, this must mean that the same mass of air gravitates with changing force at different hours.

Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 30, 2019, 02:35:17 AM
You haven't got a clue as to the subject we are discussing here.
No, most people realise.
It is the Coriolis effect, and how it proves Earth is a rotating ball.

You don't seem to be saying anythign about it though.

Can you explain why large scale weather systems rotate the way they do?
Why Foucault's pendulum behaves the way it does?
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 30, 2019, 02:52:20 AM
You have not addressed the main issue.
BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX
No, "the main issue" is not your so-called "BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX"! Introduced by you with:
Quote
Now, I am going to put an end to your presence here as a professional meteorologist.
Here is the barometer pressure paradox.
From a 1912 paper: On the diurnal variations of atmospheric pressure by W. J. Humphreys, Journal of the Washington Academy of Sciences Vol. 2, No. 15 (SEPTEMBER 19, 1912), pp. 372-377.

Are you certain nothing has been learnt about meteorology or atmospheric science since 1912 ::)?
You might read, for example,
      Why Atmospheric Pressure Peaks At 10am And 10pm In The Tropics, Date: December 14, 2008, Source: University of Hawaii at Manoa. (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081203092437.htm)

But in case you hadn't noticed the topic happens to be the "Coriolis Effect proves a globe".
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 30, 2019, 07:11:02 AM
As I said, it's harmonic with the diurnal cycle.  In this case insolation is the direct cause of the diurnal cycle, and just to be more clear, the reference from NCAR also explains how the semi-diurnal effects are influenced by the tidal force of the sun, similar to how the moon and the oceans work.

Your statements and the quote from NCAR do not explain anything at all, on the contrary.

You have not addressed the main issue.

BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX

One maximum is at 10 a.m., the other at 10 p.m.; the two minima are at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m.

The heating effect of the sun can explain neither the time when the maxima appear nor the time of the minima of these semidiurnal variations.

If the pressure becomes lower without the air becoming lighter through a lateral expansion due to heat, this must mean that the same mass of air gravitates with changing force at different hours.

I was wondering why you were so confused about this, then I realized you keep quoting Lord Rayleigh who died a hundred years ago. 

From the World Meteorological Organization: "The interpretation of day-night differences must allow for real daily variation in geopotential height caused by diurnal and semidiurnal tides. Real day-night differences at mid-latitudes for 100 hPa geopotential heights can be as large as 30 m between observations at 1800 and 0600 local time (Nash, 1984), whereas real day-night differences between observations at 1200 and 0000 local time will usually be in the range 0 ± 10 m." 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/www/IMOP/meetings/CB/Ed-Board-2/EdBd-2_P-I_Ch-12.doc&ved=2ahUKEwiN9LqR69zjAhXhi1QKHTgxANMQFjAKegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1s1LsqmEzX9qnfS1Pk4wFk
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: sandokhan on July 30, 2019, 08:13:44 AM
I realized you keep quoting Lord Rayleigh who died a hundred years ago.

The barometer pressure paradox stands unsolved to this very day.

From the World Meteorological Organization: "The interpretation of day-night differences must allow for real daily variation in geopotential height caused by diurnal and semidiurnal tides. Real day-night differences at mid-latitudes for 100 hPa geopotential heights can be as large as 30 m between observations at 1800 and 0600 local time (Nash, 1984), whereas real day-night differences between observations at 1200 and 0000 local time will usually be in the range 0 ± 10 m."

You are still dodging the main issue.

"The temperature produced by the sun on the surface of the earth, as measured by the thermometer, is increased during the former part of the day  and progressively diminished during the latter part and the night, as follows: it begins to rise a little before the sun,  increases until about one o'clock in the day, when it turns and  declines; and continues falling until about five o'clock the next  morning — making but one rise of eight, and one fall of sixteen, in the twenty-four hours. From these facts it sufficiently appears that  the two daily atmospheric tides or movements cannot be caused directly by the sun heating the surface of the earth.

Here are the facts:

BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX

One maximum is at 10 a.m., the other at 10 p.m.; the two minima are at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m.

The heating effect of the sun can explain neither the time when the maxima appear nor the time of the minima of these semidiurnal variations.

If the pressure becomes lower without the air becoming lighter through a lateral expansion due to heat, this must mean that the same mass of air gravitates with changing force at different hours.


There is only one other element of weather which features a semidiurnal oscillation: atmospheric electricity.

Since terrestrial gravity is directly linked to electricity, the barometer pressure phenomenon is in direct relationship to the electric potential.

The potential variation is the cause of the barometer pressure oscillations:

https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2014/07/27/atmospheric-science-burying-beals-barometer/

Here is the data gathered in the period 1898-1904 on the Kew electrograph:

https://ia800107.us.archive.org/14/items/philtrans07216443/07216443.pdf

Few mathematicians understand that Einstein's version of relativity is the lowest possible, this being the main reason why his efforts towards a unified field theory failed.

A much higher form of relativity is, as an example, the Reissner-Nordstrom metric:

https://archive.org/details/philtrans04375412

At an even higher level, we find the Weyl electrovacuum solutions:

http://www.jp-petit.org/papers/cosmo/1917-Weyl-en.pdf (Hermann Weyl's formidable paper, showing why he was the best mathematician in the world at that time, several ranks higher than Einstein, Pauli, Dirac or Lorentz)

In order to reach the final formula, H. Weyl states:

"In this context, the energy-momentum tensor will be comprised only of that valid for
the electromagnetic field in the ćther and of the “kinetic” energy-momentum tensor of the matter in the more restricted sense."

"Weyl’s new geometry was much richer than the Riemannian geometry in both its mathematical and philosophical content. Mathematically, the new geometry introduced new quantities into space that had no analogy in other geometries. Philosophically, these new quantities, unaccounted for by Riemannian geometry and thus unaccounted for in General Relativity, were used by Weyl to represent electromagnetic phenomena. Every point in space, represented by a vector having both magnitude and direction, could be displaced to another point in the same space yielding electromagnetism. When only the direction of the vector was taken into account, ignoring the vector’s magnitude, there remained a parallel displacement of the kind described by Levi-Civita, which accounted for gravity. The difference with Weyl’s geometry lay in the fact that it was no longer necessary for a vector’s magnitude or length to remain constant while being displaced between points in space."

“Later the quantum-theory introduced the Schrodinger-Dirac potential ψ of the electron-positron field; it carried with it an experimentally based principle of gauge-invariance which guaranteed the conservation of charge, and connected the ψ with the electromagnetic potentials Aµ in the same way that my speculative theory had connected the gravitational potentials gµν with the Aµ, and measured the Aµ in known atomic, rather than unknown cosmological units."

H. Weyl, Selecta, 1955

Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightyfletch on July 30, 2019, 09:48:01 AM
I realized you keep quoting Lord Rayleigh who died a hundred years ago.

The barometer pressure paradox stands unsolved to this very day.

From the World Meteorological Organization: "The interpretation of day-night differences must allow for real daily variation in geopotential height caused by diurnal and semidiurnal tides. Real day-night differences at mid-latitudes for 100 hPa geopotential heights can be as large as 30 m between observations at 1800 and 0600 local time (Nash, 1984), whereas real day-night differences between observations at 1200 and 0000 local time will usually be in the range 0 ± 10 m."

You are still dodging the main issue.

"The temperature produced by the sun on the surface of the earth, as measured by the thermometer, is increased during the former part of the day  and progressively diminished during the latter part and the night, as follows: it begins to rise a little before the sun,  increases until about one o'clock in the day, when it turns and  declines; and continues falling until about five o'clock the next  morning — making but one rise of eight, and one fall of sixteen, in the twenty-four hours. From these facts it sufficiently appears that  the two daily atmospheric tides or movements cannot be caused directly by the sun heating the surface of the earth.

Here are the facts:

BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX

One maximum is at 10 a.m., the other at 10 p.m.; the two minima are at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m.

The heating effect of the sun can explain neither the time when the maxima appear nor the time of the minima of these semidiurnal variations.

If the pressure becomes lower without the air becoming lighter through a lateral expansion due to heat, this must mean that the same mass of air gravitates with changing force at different hours.


There is only one other element of weather which features a semidiurnal oscillation: atmospheric electricity.

Since terrestrial gravity is directly linked to electricity, the barometer pressure phenomenon is in direct relationship to the electric potential.

The potential variation is the cause of the barometer pressure oscillations:

https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2014/07/27/atmospheric-science-burying-beals-barometer/

Here is the data gathered in the period 1898-1904 on the Kew electrograph:

https://ia800107.us.archive.org/14/items/philtrans07216443/07216443.pdf

Few mathematicians understand that Einstein's version of relativity is the lowest possible, this being the main reason why his efforts towards a unified field theory failed.

A much higher form of relativity is, as an example, the Reissner-Nordstrom metric:

https://archive.org/details/philtrans04375412

At an even higher level, we find the Weyl electrovacuum solutions:

http://www.jp-petit.org/papers/cosmo/1917-Weyl-en.pdf (Hermann Weyl's formidable paper, showing why he was the best mathematician in the world at that time, several ranks higher than Einstein, Pauli, Dirac or Lorentz)

In order to reach the final formula, H. Weyl states:

"In this context, the energy-momentum tensor will be comprised only of that valid for
the electromagnetic field in the ćther and of the “kinetic” energy-momentum tensor of the matter in the more restricted sense."

"Weyl’s new geometry was much richer than the Riemannian geometry in both its mathematical and philosophical content. Mathematically, the new geometry introduced new quantities into space that had no analogy in other geometries. Philosophically, these new quantities, unaccounted for by Riemannian geometry and thus unaccounted for in General Relativity, were used by Weyl to represent electromagnetic phenomena. Every point in space, represented by a vector having both magnitude and direction, could be displaced to another point in the same space yielding electromagnetism. When only the direction of the vector was taken into account, ignoring the vector’s magnitude, there remained a parallel displacement of the kind described by Levi-Civita, which accounted for gravity. The difference with Weyl’s geometry lay in the fact that it was no longer necessary for a vector’s magnitude or length to remain constant while being displaced between points in space."

“Later the quantum-theory introduced the Schrodinger-Dirac potential ψ of the electron-positron field; it carried with it an experimentally based principle of gauge-invariance which guaranteed the conservation of charge, and connected the ψ with the electromagnetic potentials Aµ in the same way that my speculative theory had connected the gravitational potentials gµν with the Aµ, and measured the Aµ in known atomic, rather than unknown cosmological units."

H. Weyl, Selecta, 1955

Rabinoz and I have already given you an in depth verifiable explanation of the semidiurnal phenomenon, yet you keep skewing off into unrelated topics.  There's not really much else to say on this. 
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: JackBlack on July 30, 2019, 02:23:35 PM
You are still dodging the main issue.
No, that is still you.
What is causing the rotation of large scale weather systems and Foucault's pendulum?

That is the main issue for this thread, yet you have offered nothing on it.

If you want to discuss your lack of understanding of pressure, go make a thread for it.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightythor on August 04, 2019, 04:12:14 PM


The barometer pressure paradox stands unsolved to this very day.

"The temperature produced by the sun on the surface of the earth, as measured by the thermometer, is increased during the former part of the day  and progressively diminished during the latter part and the night, as follows: it begins to rise a little before the sun,  increases until about one o'clock in the day, when it turns and  declines; and continues falling until about five o'clock the next  morning — making but one rise of eight, and one fall of sixteen, in the twenty-four hours. From these facts it sufficiently appears that  the two daily atmospheric tides or movements cannot be caused directly by the sun heating the surface of the earth.

Here are the facts:

BAROMETER PRESSURE PARADOX

One maximum is at 10 a.m., the other at 10 p.m.; the two minima are at 4 a.m. and 4 p.m.

The heating effect of the sun can explain neither the time when the maxima appear nor the time of the minima of these semidiurnal variations.

If the pressure becomes lower without the air becoming lighter through a lateral expansion due to heat, this must mean that the same mass of air gravitates with changing force at different hours.

Well, I challenge your reference that max temperature happens at 1pm. Easily validated to anyone who actually wants to observe the data for themselves.
Go to www.wunderground.com and find weather stations near you and look at the historical hourly temperatures on days that don’t have weather fronts passing through. My observations - max temperatures consistently occur from 3-5pm. But don’t take my word for it. Check it out for yourself.
This isn’t a government network. It’s a network of private citizens with independently owned mini weather stations tied to the wunderground network via the internet. If you doubt it, go to one of your neighbors who is reporting on the network and ask them about their collector.
Better yet, set up a weather station and collect your own data.
Besides, max heating of the atmosphere as a whole is what drives atmospheric pressure at the ground. That also happens around 4pm. Ever noticed when afternoon thunderstorms typically begin? Hint, around and after the time of max heating. Reeks havoc on  summer time evening air travel in the Eastern US.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: mightythor on August 04, 2019, 05:21:15 PM
Coriolis Effect proves a globe

In all fairness, your subject title contains a logical fallacy.

The Coriolis effect (CE) is either an observation or prediction from the mathematics of Newtonian principals. It is explained or predicted by Newtonian mechanics on a spinning globe. Realized observation of CE supports a spinning globe with Newtonian mechanics, but doesn’t prove it.

The argument goes,

If Newtonian mechanics are true and an observer is on a spinning globe, then the CE will be seen.

However, it’s a fallacy to then say, if the CE is observed, then the observer must be on a spinning globe within a system bound by Newtonian mechanics.
(Consider a different postulate: if a flat earth were accelerating upwards at 9m/s^2, then we’d observe things falling downward with that same rate of acceleration. Observing that result is consistent with, but doesn’t prove the postulate)

But it would be logically true that if there’s no CE observed where predicted, then we cannot be on a spinning globe in a Newtonian system.

In short-hand,
If RE, then CE. If no CE, then no RE.

So FE’s proclaim, “CE doesn’t exist. That proves the earth isn’t round.”

And the general difficulty of any individual to observe CE directly without abstractions like weather patterns and artillery flight patterns that very few of us have ever observed directly allows them to maintain CE’s non existence, and preserve their “disproof” of RE.
Title: Re: Coriolis Effect proves a globe
Post by: turtles on August 07, 2019, 03:56:16 AM
Coriolis Effect proves a globe

Probably better to say that observing a coriolis effect which rotates opposite directions north and south of the equator disproves a flat earth.