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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: fjr66 on July 06, 2019, 08:12:09 AM

Title: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: fjr66 on July 06, 2019, 08:12:09 AM
If there is satellite that gathered data from every point on earth surface then why google map application using 2D map and make it like 3D perspective. It can be proven that impossible we projected every point in a sphere to 2D map.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/34znfqq.jpg)
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: turtles on July 06, 2019, 10:43:15 AM
Then use Google Earth.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: fjr66 on July 06, 2019, 12:26:55 PM
Then use Google Earth.
They are similar in principle that is using 2D picture and make it like 3D perspective. I give you a link for example
http://lib.ivank.net/?p=demos&d=pseudo3D
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 06, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
Then use Google Earth.
They are similar in principle that is using 2D picture and make it like 3D perspective. I give you a link for example
http://lib.ivank.net/?p=demos&d=pseudo3D
We have the WGS-84 model that shows the shape of the earth, look at it.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 06, 2019, 02:02:12 PM
if you draw a rectangle on europe and connect the four corners straight and diagonally, you see that the lengths are equal to the lengths in a straight rectangle. however, the lines on google maps are represented as curved. this is proof that google map is simulated as round by using flat dimensions. but they don't do it in the south. Because google map is a complete BS in the southern hemiplane.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 06, 2019, 02:28:13 PM
if you draw a rectangle on europe and connect the four corners straight and diagonally, you see that the lengths are equal to the lengths in a straight rectangle. however, the lines on google maps are represented as curved. this is proof that google map is simulated as round by using flat dimensions. but they don't do it in the south. Because google map is a complete BS in the southern hemiplane.
Who has measured flat dimensions?

Still waiting for you to give us details of satellite tv transmitters. Without them it shows the earth is not flat.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 06, 2019, 03:02:21 PM
if you draw a rectangle on europe and connect the four corners straight and diagonally, you see that the lengths are equal to the lengths in a straight rectangle. however, the lines on google maps are represented as curved. this is proof that google map is simulated as round by using flat dimensions. but they don't do it in the south. Because google map is a complete BS in the southern hemiplane.
Who has measured flat dimensions?

Still waiting for you to give us details of satellite tv transmitters. Without them it shows the earth is not flat.

In one hand you are waiting for something. On the other hand, you and others are crying to moderation ban me. Under these circumstances how can I reply all the statements? You have to come out of your globularist cave then can see the truth. Open the believers subforum and learn the simulation.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66236.msg2184748#new

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66236.msg2184479#msg2184479
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 06, 2019, 03:30:54 PM
If there is satellite that gathered data from every point on earth surface then why google map application using 2D map and make it like 3D perspective. It can be proven that impossible we projected every point in a sphere to 2D map.
We can project a sphere onto a flat map. There are many ways to do so, and all introduce distortion.
One common way to do this is to project a portion onto a photograph. This can then be projected back to the sphere to reconstruct the sphere from smaller photos.

if you draw a rectangle on europe and connect the four corners straight and diagonally, you see that the lengths are equal to the lengths in a straight rectangle. however, the lines on google maps are represented as curved. this is proof that google map is simulated as round by using flat dimensions. but they don't do it in the south. Because google map is a complete BS in the southern hemiplane.
Citation needed.
I am yet to see any evidence that these distances are equal.
So far all I have seen is that FE has so much uncertainty in their measurements that it might match, or might not.
The quite accurate RE distances definitely don't.

As for why Google shows these lines as curves, it is because they are curves, following the surface of Earth.
This is proof that Google is using a round Earth model.
It doesn't prove they are using FE dimensions.
In fact, you can easily measure the distances between points and show that they don't work on a flat surface and thus aren't using FE dimensions.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: rabinoz on July 06, 2019, 03:38:59 PM
If there is satellite that gathered data from every point on earth surface then why google map application using 2D map and make it like 3D perspective. It can be proven that impossible we projected every point in a sphere to 2D map.

http://i63.tinypic.com/34znfqq.jpg (http://i63.tinypic.com/34znfqq.jpg)


Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: turtles on July 07, 2019, 12:19:47 PM
if you draw a rectangle on europe and connect the four corners straight and diagonally, you see that the lengths are equal to the lengths in a straight rectangle.

Wait, when did you do this? How big is it? Where can I see this rectangle? I'm sure it would have been in the news.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Macarios on July 07, 2019, 09:48:10 PM

if you draw a rectangle on europe and connect the four corners straight and diagonally, you see that the lengths are equal to the lengths in a straight rectangle.

Wait, when did you do this? How big is it? Where can I see this rectangle? I'm sure it would have been in the news.

I actually did it.

I selected places that make rectangle using geographic coordinates.
Madrid, Spain
Gemlik, Turkey
Babruysk, Belarus
Colwyn Bay, England

Town centers are not making real rectangle, but if you select some specific points away from their centers (in another street) you get exactly what you want.
Madrid: 40.41N, 3.69W
Gemlik: 40.41N, 29.16E
Babruysk: 53.20N, 29.16E
Colwyn Bay: 53.20N, 3.69W

Width of the rectangle was 32.85 degrees.
Height of the rectangle was 24.04 degrees.

Then I measured distances.

a = Madrid - Gemlik: 1714.5 miles

b = Madrid - Colwyn Bay: 880.1 miles
b = Gemlik - Babruysk: 880.1 miles

Now the rectangle should give:
d1 = d2 = SQRT(a2 + b2)

SQRT(1714.52 + 880.12) = 1927.2

But we have:
Madrid - Babruysk: 1766.7 miles
Gemilk - Colwyn Bay: 1766.7 miles

We also have:
Colwyn Bay - Babruysk: 1350.2 miles

This last distance shows us that if you draw rectangle on Europe it will actually be Isosceles Trapezoid.
In that case our new calculation will have:
a = 1350.2
b = 1714.5
c = 880.1

Dialgonal Length is SQRT(ab + c2) = 1757.7 miles
That's pretty close to 1766.7 miles from our "Measure Distance".
Only 9 miles of the difference.

But those 9 miles still show the curviness of the terrain as the difference between arc and its chord (secant).

a, b, c are also arches and for full accuracy we would have to calculate the lengths of their chords underneath.
More about that later, for those who don't calculate on their own, and ask for the result.

(You can use the: https://www.handymath.com/cgi-bin/arc18.cgi?submit=Entry (https://www.handymath.com/cgi-bin/arc18.cgi?submit=Entry). Arc is "length" and chord is "width". Radius is 3958.8 .)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/UNy3Sy.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 08, 2019, 04:25:45 AM
if you draw a rectangle on europe and connect the four corners straight and diagonally, you see that the lengths are equal to the lengths in a straight rectangle.

Wait, when did you do this? How big is it? Where can I see this rectangle? I'm sure it would have been in the news.

You can do it by yourself. We don't expect them to share this information because the media are already ruled by evil forces. Now let's make an example online if you want.

I try to stay in Europe as much as possible. The first point somwehere in UK.

First point Coordinates: (51,0)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/C7A6U4.png)

The second point (51,15)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WaSP6G.png)

Distance (51,0) to (51,15) = 1.047,84 kms.

The third point (45,15)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/HHJ2cU.png)

Distance (51,15) to (45,15) = 1.715,02-1.047,84= 667,18kms.

The fourth point (45,0)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/408VAO.png)

Distance (45,15) to (45,0) = 2.892,73 - 1.715,02 = 1.177,71kms.

The area sum:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/SGIBTO.png)

distance (45,0) to (51,0)= 3.559,90 - 2.892,73 = 667,17 kms.

Area from google: 741.460,69 km˛

Lets draw the distances on a flat paper:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/TVf7C0.png)

We've found the diagonal as 1295,83 kms. This is flat diagonal if the distances were flat then would be. Lets verify:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/RKTyAd.png)

Same distance in map is; 1296,70kms.

Total mistake: 0,87 kms.

mistake proportionally: 0,87/1296,7= 0,0007 = 0,07 %

quadratic error for area calculations: 0,07x2 = 0,14%

Area calculated:

(1177,71+1047,84) x 664,01 /2 = 738.893, 73 km˛

areal mistake: (741.460,69 - 738.893,73) / 741.460,69 = 0,003 = 0,3 % < 0,5% mathematical error limit.

Results:

1) When we draw the cities in the map on a plain paper, the resulting diagonels and areas are close to the value to be calculated globally and the resulting error remains within the mathematical error limit.

2) field value written on the map is 2 times more than the error in the diagonal value read. in other words, the field value on the map is a fabricated, it does not reflect the truth.

in short, the above calculations show that the measurements will be compatible if the european map is accepted as flat.

in other words, the distances measured above are the values ​​taken from the flat world map. The sphere representation consists of only projection.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 08, 2019, 05:20:22 AM
We've found the diagonal as 1297,46 kms. This is flat diagonal if the distances were flat then would be. Lets verify:
No, you found that. I find it as 1925.832 km. (This is because you used the side length of 667.18 km instead of the height of 664.0125 km).
That is a difference of 0.87 km.
That is well outside the uncertainty, as the measurements are to 0.01 km.
That means theses values are different, not the same.

mathematical error limit.
There is no mathematical error limit.
There are uncertainties with the data, and limits to the precision of the calculation you perform.
The data is accurate to 0.01 km, the calculation is even more accurate.
So no, these results are not an error.

1) When we draw the cities in the map on a plain paper, the resulting diagonels and areas are close to the value to be calculated globally
Close is not the same.

in short, the above calculations show that the measurements will be compatible if the european map is accepted as flat.
No, it shows that if you are willing to accept much larger errors, the values can be considered the same.

in other words, the distances measured above are the values ​​taken from the flat world map.
Nope.
If it was taken from a flat Earth you would have the distances match, instead of getting this massive error.

If you ignore the error the best you could do is claim it could come from a FE or a RE.

For a small region, FE will be close to RE values. But the larger the area, the bigger the error in pretending Earth is flat.

Instead of your small range, lets use a much larger one.
5 W to 35 E,
40 N to 56 N.

Then the distances obtained are 2452.08 km for the top, 3377.86 km for the bottom, 1779.13 km for the sides and 3398.80 km for the measured diagonal.
The calculated height is 1717.858 km, giving a calculated diagonal of 3383.502 km. This is a difference of 15.30 km. That is well outside the uncertainty in the data of 0.01 km. Even taking into consideration that multiple errors would add up to a larger error wont save you.

The distances just don't work out for a FE.

This proves that Google is not using a FE.

But we can go one better.
If we convert these arc lengths into chords taking 6371 km as the radius, then we end up with the top of our trapezium being 2436.973 km, the bottom being 3338.435 km, the side being 1773.355 km and the diagonal being 3358.639 km.
This gives us a height of 1715.118 km, and thus a diagonal of 3358.640 km.
Now the disagreement is 0.001 km, much less than the 0.01 km the data was accurate to.

Doing the same for your smaller region gives us a measured chord of 1294.463 km and a calculated one of 1294.461 km.
This is a difference of 0.002 km. Again much smaller than the 0.01 km the lengths were accurate to.

This shows that the distances are based upon a RE, not a FE.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 08, 2019, 05:34:58 AM
No, you found that. I find it as 1925.832 km. (This is because you used the side length of 667.18 km instead of the height of 664.0125 km).
That is a difference of 0.87 km.
That is well outside the uncertainty, as the measurements are to 0.01 km.
That means theses values are different, not the same.

Thanks for the correction. it is important to note that different calculation* types can result in different results. also we do calculate on google maps completely  a fraud map, it's normal to have so much error. The important point here is that the  error limit is below 0.5% which mathematical error limit. Inother say, If you make a mistake of 5 per thousand when you make a natural measurement means that you did not make mistakes. Hence it proves google uses flat earth distances.

You don't have the ability to add pictures to your writings hence its not clear what you are telling in the rest writings.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 08, 2019, 07:05:50 AM
No, you found that. I find it as 1925.832 km. (This is because you used the side length of 667.18 km instead of the height of 664.0125 km).
That is a difference of 0.87 km.
That is well outside the uncertainty, as the measurements are to 0.01 km.
That means theses values are different, not the same.

Thanks for the correction. it is important to note that different calculation* types can result in different results. also we do calculate on google maps completely  a fraud map, it's normal to have so much error. The important point here is that the  error limit is below 0.5% which mathematical error limit. Inother say, If you make a mistake of 5 per thousand when you make a natural measurement means that you did not make mistakes. Hence it proves google uses flat earth distances.

You don't have the ability to add pictures to your writings hence its not clear what you are telling in the rest writings.
I notice you have failed to provide further details on transmitter locations in an other thread.  Is this because this might show the earth is actually round?  And thus prove distances over large areas.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 08, 2019, 10:12:59 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 08, 2019, 11:35:28 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 08, 2019, 01:16:15 PM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Stash on July 08, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.

Incorrect. How a Mercator Projection is created from a globe which shows why land masses closer to the poles become distorted:

(https://i.imgur.com/u6w8LKJ.gif)
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 08, 2019, 01:49:04 PM
Thanks for the correction. it is important to note that different calculation* types can result in different results.
Yes, using Pythagoras on a right angle triangle and incorrectly using it on a non-right angle triangle do produce different results.


The important point here is that the  error limit is below 0.5% which mathematical error limit.
No. The important thing here is the error is above the uncertainty of the values.
In other words, the 2 values, those from FE and those from Google, are different.

There is no mathematical error limit.


Hence it proves google uses flat earth distances.
Repeating the same lie won't make it true.
If you ignore the fact that the small uncertainty shows this to be entirely false and instead pretend they are only accurate to 0.5%, it still doesn't prove that Google uses FE distance.
All it proves is that your error is so large that it could be using FE or RE distances.

But the fact that there is that difference, which is will beyond uncertainty proves it isn't using FE distances.
The fact that doing the same calculation by finding the chord of the arc based upon a spherical Earth produces error within the uncertainty of measurement shows that Google is almost certainly using a RE.

You don't have the ability to add pictures to your writings hence its not clear what you are telling in the rest writings.
No, I do have the ability, I just see no point in them as you typically ignore them.
It is quite clear what I am saying.
Using your small area, you get a small error of less than 1 km.
Using a much larger area you get a much larger error of 15 km.
Both of these are well outside the uncertainty of the measurement and thus they are different values.
i.e Google does not use FE distances.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 08, 2019, 02:45:31 PM
if you draw a rectangle on europe and connect the four corners straight and diagonally, you see that the lengths are equal to the lengths in a straight rectangle.

Wait, when did you do this? How big is it? Where can I see this rectangle? I'm sure it would have been in the news.

You can do it by yourself. We don't expect them to share this information because the media are already ruled by evil forces. Now let's make an example online if you want.

I try to stay in Europe as much as possible. The first point somwehere in UK.

First point Coordinates: (51,0)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/C7A6U4.png)

The second point (51,15)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WaSP6G.png)

Distance (51,0) to (51,15) = 1.047,84 kms.

The third point (45,15)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/HHJ2cU.png)

Distance (51,15) to (45,15) = 1.715,02-1.047,84= 667,18kms.

The fourth point (45,0)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/408VAO.png)

Distance (45,15) to (45,0) = 2.892,73 - 1.715,02 = 1.177,71kms.

The area sum:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/SGIBTO.png)

distance (45,0) to (51,0)= 3.559,90 - 2.892,73 = 667,17 kms.

Area from google: 741.460,69 km˛

Lets draw the distances on a flat paper:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/TVf7C0.png)

We've found the diagonal as 1295,83 kms. This is flat diagonal if the distances were flat then would be. Lets verify:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/RKTyAd.png)

Same distance in map is; 1296,70kms.

Total mistake: 0,87 kms.

mistake proportionally: 0,87/1296,7= 0,0007 = 0,07 %

quadratic error for area calculations: 0,07x2 = 0,14%

Area calculated:

(1177,71+1047,84) x 664,01 /2 = 738.893, 73 km˛

areal mistake: (741.460,69 - 738.893,73) / 741.460,69 = 0,003 = 0,3 % < 0,5% mathematical error limit.

Results:

1) When we draw the cities in the map on a plain paper, the resulting diagonels and areas are close to the value to be calculated globally and the resulting error remains within the mathematical error limit.

2) field value written on the map is 2 times more than the error in the diagonal value read. in other words, the field value on the map is a fabricated, it does not reflect the truth.

in short, the above calculations show that the measurements will be compatible if the european map is accepted as flat.

in other words, the distances measured above are the values ​​taken from the flat world map. The sphere representation consists of only projection.

Sorry you lost me in the summary.
You say its globally correct in "results" section, then in your "conclusion" section somehow flippedfkced it up.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Macarios on July 08, 2019, 03:00:55 PM
Ok, I did it:

The (45,0), (45,15), (51,15), (51,0) really has the measures:
a = 1047.84 km
b = 1177.71 km
c = 667.17 km
With diagonals of 1296.70 km

If we find chords of those arc distances we will have:
a = 1046.66
b = 1176.03
c = 666.86

Diagonal will be SQRT(ab + c2) = 1294.45

The corresponding arc for that chord is 1296.69.

Our error here is (1296.69 - 1296.70) / 1296.70 = -0.000007711 = -0.00077%.
Input values were rounded to two decimals and that produced the error of 0.01.

We can say that Google Maps uses arcs of the great circles to show distances.

EDIT: Google also uses more than just two decimals. :)
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 08, 2019, 03:15:56 PM
I meant wises calc.
Didnt see yours, marcos.

Haha but good on you to double check
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 08, 2019, 03:39:18 PM
Incorrect. How a Mercator Projection is created from a globe which shows why land masses closer to the poles become distorted:

(https://i.imgur.com/u6w8LKJ.gif)
I dislike that as it hides how the projection is actually made.
I prefer this:
(http://maps.unomaha.edu/Peterson/gis/notes/0412-Map%20Projection%20Notes_files/image001.png)
To make the projection you encase Earth in a cylinder and then project from the centre of Earth to that cylinder.
Whatever point on the surface you pass through gets projected to the corresponding point on the cylinder.
Typically you also truncate it as otherwise you would need an infinitely long cylinder.

Then this cylinder is cut open and laid flat.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Stash on July 08, 2019, 05:14:45 PM
Incorrect. How a Mercator Projection is created from a globe which shows why land masses closer to the poles become distorted:

(https://i.imgur.com/u6w8LKJ.gif)
I dislike that as it hides how the projection is actually made.
I prefer this:
(http://maps.unomaha.edu/Peterson/gis/notes/0412-Map%20Projection%20Notes_files/image001.png)
To make the projection you encase Earth in a cylinder and then project from the centre of Earth to that cylinder.
Whatever point on the surface you pass through gets projected to the corresponding point on the cylinder.
Typically you also truncate it as otherwise you would need an infinitely long cylinder.

Then this cylinder is cut open and laid flat.

Fair point. I wasn't necessarily referring to the actual mechanics of it, just the flow as how it comes to be. But yes, you're illustration is how it's actually achieved.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 08, 2019, 11:15:21 PM
Ok, I did it:

The (45,0), (45,15), (51,15), (51,0) really has the measures:
a = 1047.84 km
b = 1177.71 km
c = 667.17 km
With diagonals of 1296.70 km

If we find chords of those arc distances we will have:
a = 1046.66
b = 1176.03
c = 666.86

Diagonal will be SQRT(ab + c2) = 1294.45

The corresponding arc for that chord is 1296.69.

Our error here is (1296.69 - 1296.70) / 1296.70 = -0.000007711 = -0.00077%.
Input values were rounded to two decimals and that produced the error of 0.01.

We can say that Google Maps uses arcs of the great circles to show distances.

EDIT: Google also uses more than just two decimals. :)

I know you wrote it as a joke, but because the calculation is correct, the majority will think it's real. we observe this only in Europe. Especially it is almost impossible to do the same calculation in China, Russia, South America or Australia. at least in theory. we need to try.

I mean, when we select four points with the same shell area on different continents, the error limit will be higher. I do not think it will remain within the limits of error. ahou. I will torturing your sphere map after looked other threads while you read and think this words.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 09, 2019, 03:20:31 AM
Especially it is almost impossible to do the same calculation in China, Russia, South America or Australia. at least in theory. we need to try.
No, it is just as possible.
If you pick a small area, the error is small.
What stops you is if you pick a much larger area. Then you get much larger errors.

I do not think it will remain within the limits of error.
It already isn't.
The limit is roughly 0.01 km. The error is much larger than that.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 09, 2019, 03:33:05 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
This is fact, it is how all maps are made.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 03:45:24 AM
Especially it is almost impossible to do the same calculation in China, Russia, South America or Australia. at least in theory. we need to try.
No, it is just as possible.
If you pick a small area, the error is small.
What stops you is if you pick a much larger area. Then you get much larger errors.

I do not think it will remain within the limits of error.
It already isn't.
The limit is roughly 0.01 km. The error is much larger than that.

Your baseless claiming me being wrong because of your being in cave of globularism and with all your anger, does not magically make my workings wrong or minus. Just proves how you are in a pain.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 03:46:40 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
This is fact, it is how all maps are made.
Wrong. I made a map completely free of other maps only by using aircraft flight times.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 09, 2019, 04:10:03 AM
Your baseless claiming me being wrong
It isn't a baseless claim.
It is a fact which I have backed up.

The values you were using were accurate to 0.01 km.
The error you obtained was incorrect as it was based upon incorrect math.
The actual error between pretending Earth is flat and using the RE distances from google was 0.87 km. This is well above the error limit of 0.01 km.
The error from a much larger area was 15.30 km. Again, this is well above the error limit.

If we instead treat Earth as round, we get errors of 0.001 km and 0.002 km. This is below the error limit of 0.01 km.

This shows that Google is not using FE distances.

You ignoring this fact and ignoring these errors won't magically make them go away.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 04:19:37 AM
Your baseless claiming me being wrong
It isn't a baseless claim.
It is a fact which I have backed up.

The values you were using were accurate to 0.01 km.
The error you obtained was incorrect as it was based upon incorrect math.
The actual error between pretending Earth is flat and using the RE distances from google was 0.87 km. This is well above the error limit of 0.01 km.
The error from a much larger area was 15.30 km. Again, this is well above the error limit.

If we instead treat Earth as round, we get errors of 0.001 km and 0.002 km. This is below the error limit of 0.01 km.

This shows that Google is not using FE distances.

You ignoring this fact and ignoring these errors won't magically make them go away.
Error limit isn't 0.01 km. It is the limit in your brain / or CPU. you cannot write a length directly in nature as an error limit. because this length does not matter according to the calculated size. The value you write means 10 meters. for example, if you take a tour around the equator and find it 20 kilometers in length, a 20-kilometer error is a reasonable mistake compared 40.000kms . But if you're building a football field, it would be disastrous to make a 10-meter mistake. Are you building a football field? you have nothing to do with scientific thought from afar. repeating the same wrong things doesn't magically make them right. It just proves you are in a cave of ignorancy denying to learn anything at all.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 09, 2019, 04:31:02 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
This is fact, it is how all maps are made.
Wrong. I made a map completely free of other maps only by using aircraft flight times.
which did not use flights in the southern hemisphere and is hardly a way of mapping the earth in detail.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 04:35:31 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
This is fact, it is how all maps are made.
Wrong. I made a map completely free of other maps only by using aircraft flight times.
which did not use flights in the southern hemisphere and is hardly a way of mapping the earth in detail.
All southern hemiplane has placed with all of the verified flights. Sorry, do not remind me hoax routes. I am enough adult till to don't get them.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 09, 2019, 04:38:20 AM
Error limit isn't 0.01 km.
That is the accuracy of the values.
As such, that is the "error limit" (or close to it).

you cannot write a length directly in nature as an error limit.
Yes you can.
You not liking absolute error doesn't mean it doesn't exit.
Plenty of things have such an error.
A good calibrated scale has an absolute error, based upon the precision of the display. The same applies to a thermometer or a rule.
I have a set of calipers that can accurately read up to 15 cm to an accuracy greater than 0.2 mm.

The error will depend upon what you are using to measure the value.
If you use something extremely error prone like flight times you will get massive errors.
If you use GPS or proper surveying equipment, you will get much smaller errors, even over very long distances.

So no, the "error limit" is roughly 0.01 km.
Even if I am generous and increase it to 0.1 km, the errors are still much larger.

you have nothing to do with scientific thought from afar.
No that would be you.
I recognise that the 2 values are different, due to the fact they do not agree within uncertainty.
I recognise that the values for a RE are not different due to the fact that they do agree within uncertainty.
You instead appeal to some fantasy error limit to pretend the 2 values match.
You are the one who is ignoring how science works.
Science doesn't just pull a number from no where and say this is the error limit, any values inside this limit are the same.
Especially as that error limit would be useless for so many things.

If you want to pretend to be scientific, please explain how you arrived at that 0.5%, rather than the 0.01 km.

repeating the same wrong things doesn't magically make them right. It just proves you are in a cave of ignorancy denying to learn anything at all.
So why do you do it so often?

Seriously, why even pretend with this argument?
We all know you reject a RE. What benefit do you get from lying and pretending the FE and RE distances match for Europe?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 04:39:57 AM
Error limit isn't 0.01 km.
That is the accuracy of the values.
As such, that is the "error limit" (or close to it).
Your baseless claim does not magically make it true. Source? What is your source of you can get 0.01 km as error limit in a distance about 1000 kms. I did not read your remained blabbings because you are repeatedly saying same baseless claims does not magically make them true.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 09, 2019, 04:52:57 AM
Your baseless claim does not magically make it true.
Again, not my baseless claim.
They are the values provided.
Notice how these values change only in increments of 0.01 km?
That shows that is what these values are accurate to.
You can claim that RE isn't saying the correct values, but that is entirely separate to saying that RE and FE values agree.

Now again, what is the source of your 0.5%?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 04:57:20 AM
Your baseless claim does not magically make it true.
Again, not my baseless claim.
They are the values provided.
Notice how these values change only in increments of 0.01 km?
That shows that is what these values are accurate to.
You can claim that RE isn't saying the correct values, but that is entirely separate to saying that RE and FE values agree.

Now again, what is the source of your 0.5%?

You did not show a source of where your magic 0,01 kms error limit for thousand of kilometre measurement come from? Haven't you? You are saying it is not baseless but you are just showing your blabbing  as a source.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 09, 2019, 05:02:41 AM
You did not show a source of where your magic 0,01 kms error limit for thousand of kilometre measurement come from? Haven't you? You are saying it is not baseless but you are just showing your blabbing  as a source.
You ignoring the source doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It was the accuracy of the numbers provided.

Meanwhile, you haven't shown your source for 0.5%.
Where did you pull that from?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 05:08:42 AM
You did not show a source of where your magic 0,01 kms error limit for thousand of kilometre measurement come from? Haven't you? You are saying it is not baseless but you are just showing your blabbing  as a source.
You ignoring the source doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It was the accuracy of the numbers provided.

Meanwhile, you haven't shown your source for 0.5%.
Where did you pull that from?

Nope. It was not the accuracy of the numbers. I can write them without a number after coma. Does it make all of them true? Your being ignorant and a blaming machine isn't my mistake.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Macarios on July 09, 2019, 05:48:22 AM
Ok, I did it:

The (45,0), (45,15), (51,15), (51,0) really has the measures:
a = 1047.84 km
b = 1177.71 km
c = 667.17 km
With diagonals of 1296.70 km

If we find chords of those arc distances we will have:
a = 1046.66
b = 1176.03
c = 666.86

Diagonal will be SQRT(ab + c2) = 1294.45

The corresponding arc for that chord is 1296.69.

Our error here is (1296.69 - 1296.70) / 1296.70 = -0.000007711 = -0.00077%.
Input values were rounded to two decimals and that produced the error of 0.01.

We can say that Google Maps uses arcs of the great circles to show distances.

EDIT: Google also uses more than just two decimals. :)

I know you wrote it as a joke, but because the calculation is correct, the majority will think it's real. we observe this only in Europe. Especially it is almost impossible to do the same calculation in China, Russia, South America or Australia. at least in theory. we need to try.

I mean, when we select four points with the same shell area on different continents, the error limit will be higher. I do not think it will remain within the limits of error. ahou. I will torturing your sphere map after looked other threads while you read and think this words.

I understand how convenient it would be if it was just a joke, but I will have to disappoint you.
Sorry, my friend.
Calculation is correct because it uses shapes and measures from reality.

And that smiley was just for the EDIT line, not for the whole reply.

~~~~~

I believe you mentioned a bigger polygon, so let's take one all over the Northern hemisphere.

Somewhere in:
South America: Carora, Venezuela - 10N 70W
Africa: Pariang, South Sudan - 10N 30E
Europe: St. Petersburg, Russia - 60N 30E
North America: Kangirsuk, Canada - 60N 70W

In miles:
a = 3112.11
b = 6767.50
c = 3454.67
Diagonals are 5961.39

Arc distances have chords like this:
a = 3032.59
b = 5973.05
c = 3346.09

Straight diagonal is SQRT(ab + c2) = 5413.88

The corresponding arc on the surface is 5961.38

As you can see, the difference is 0.01 again.

~~~~~

I am not here to mock you, or anyone else.
Especially not if facts could suffer that way.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 05:56:59 AM
Ok, I did it:

The (45,0), (45,15), (51,15), (51,0) really has the measures:
a = 1047.84 km
b = 1177.71 km
c = 667.17 km
With diagonals of 1296.70 km

If we find chords of those arc distances we will have:
a = 1046.66
b = 1176.03
c = 666.86

Diagonal will be SQRT(ab + c2) = 1294.45

The corresponding arc for that chord is 1296.69.

Our error here is (1296.69 - 1296.70) / 1296.70 = -0.000007711 = -0.00077%.
Input values were rounded to two decimals and that produced the error of 0.01.

We can say that Google Maps uses arcs of the great circles to show distances.

EDIT: Google also uses more than just two decimals. :)

I know you wrote it as a joke, but because the calculation is correct, the majority will think it's real. we observe this only in Europe. Especially it is almost impossible to do the same calculation in China, Russia, South America or Australia. at least in theory. we need to try.

I mean, when we select four points with the same shell area on different continents, the error limit will be higher. I do not think it will remain within the limits of error. ahou. I will torturing your sphere map after looked other threads while you read and think this words.

I understand how convenient it would be if it was just a joke, but I will have to disappoint you.
Sorry, my friend.
Calculation is correct because it uses shapes and measures from reality.

And that smiley was just for the EDIT line, not for the whole reply.

~~~~~

I believe you mentioned a bigger polygon, so let's take one all over the Northern hemisphere.

Somewhere in:
South America: Carora, Venezuela - 10N 70W
Africa: Pariang, South Sudan - 10N 30E
Europe: St. Petersburg, Russia - 60N 30E
North America: Kangirsuk, Canada - 60N 70W

In miles:
a = 3112.11
b = 6767.50
c = 3454.67
Diagonals are 5961.39

Arc distances have chords like this:
a = 3032.59
b = 5973.05
c = 3346.09

Straight diagonal is SQRT(ab + c2) = 5413.88

The corresponding arc on the surface is 5961.38

As you can see, the difference is 0.01 again.

~~~~~

I am not here to mock you, or anyone else.
Especially not if facts could suffer that way.

Congratulations. You've proved the maps being imaginary but not real. because the actual world map is not smooth, the amount of error should be more than this is written.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 09, 2019, 06:36:32 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
This is fact, it is how all maps are made.
Wrong. I made a map completely free of other maps only by using aircraft flight times.

Riiiiiight.
You see No issue with that methodology?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 06:41:19 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
This is fact, it is how all maps are made.
Wrong. I made a map completely free of other maps only by using aircraft flight times.

Riiiiiight.
You see No issue with that methodology?

Does it has to be?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Macarios on July 09, 2019, 06:44:38 AM
Ok, I did it:

The (45,0), (45,15), (51,15), (51,0) really has the measures:
a = 1047.84 km
b = 1177.71 km
c = 667.17 km
With diagonals of 1296.70 km

If we find chords of those arc distances we will have:
a = 1046.66
b = 1176.03
c = 666.86

Diagonal will be SQRT(ab + c2) = 1294.45

The corresponding arc for that chord is 1296.69.

Our error here is (1296.69 - 1296.70) / 1296.70 = -0.000007711 = -0.00077%.
Input values were rounded to two decimals and that produced the error of 0.01.

We can say that Google Maps uses arcs of the great circles to show distances.

EDIT: Google also uses more than just two decimals. :)

I know you wrote it as a joke, but because the calculation is correct, the majority will think it's real. we observe this only in Europe. Especially it is almost impossible to do the same calculation in China, Russia, South America or Australia. at least in theory. we need to try.

I mean, when we select four points with the same shell area on different continents, the error limit will be higher. I do not think it will remain within the limits of error. ahou. I will torturing your sphere map after looked other threads while you read and think this words.

I understand how convenient it would be if it was just a joke, but I will have to disappoint you.
Sorry, my friend.
Calculation is correct because it uses shapes and measures from reality.

And that smiley was just for the EDIT line, not for the whole reply.

~~~~~

I believe you mentioned a bigger polygon, so let's take one all over the Northern hemisphere.

Somewhere in:
South America: Carora, Venezuela - 10N 70W
Africa: Pariang, South Sudan - 10N 30E
Europe: St. Petersburg, Russia - 60N 30E
North America: Kangirsuk, Canada - 60N 70W

In miles:
a = 3112.11
b = 6767.50
c = 3454.67
Diagonals are 5961.39

Arc distances have chords like this:
a = 3032.59
b = 5973.05
c = 3346.09

Straight diagonal is SQRT(ab + c2) = 5413.88

The corresponding arc on the surface is 5961.38

As you can see, the difference is 0.01 again.

~~~~~

I am not here to mock you, or anyone else.
Especially not if facts could suffer that way.

Congratulations. You've proved the maps being imaginary but not real. because the actual world map is not smooth, the amount of error should be more than this is written.

Imaginary? :)
You saw the accuracy.

Inform yourself on Spherical Geometry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_geometry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_geometry)).
It will help you understand Geodesy a bit better. Much more than just two decimals can be used there.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/fQ2ffz.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 06:53:09 AM
Ok, I did it:

The (45,0), (45,15), (51,15), (51,0) really has the measures:
a = 1047.84 km
b = 1177.71 km
c = 667.17 km
With diagonals of 1296.70 km

If we find chords of those arc distances we will have:
a = 1046.66
b = 1176.03
c = 666.86

Diagonal will be SQRT(ab + c2) = 1294.45

The corresponding arc for that chord is 1296.69.

Our error here is (1296.69 - 1296.70) / 1296.70 = -0.000007711 = -0.00077%.
Input values were rounded to two decimals and that produced the error of 0.01.

We can say that Google Maps uses arcs of the great circles to show distances.

EDIT: Google also uses more than just two decimals. :)

I know you wrote it as a joke, but because the calculation is correct, the majority will think it's real. we observe this only in Europe. Especially it is almost impossible to do the same calculation in China, Russia, South America or Australia. at least in theory. we need to try.

I mean, when we select four points with the same shell area on different continents, the error limit will be higher. I do not think it will remain within the limits of error. ahou. I will torturing your sphere map after looked other threads while you read and think this words.

I understand how convenient it would be if it was just a joke, but I will have to disappoint you.
Sorry, my friend.
Calculation is correct because it uses shapes and measures from reality.

And that smiley was just for the EDIT line, not for the whole reply.

~~~~~

I believe you mentioned a bigger polygon, so let's take one all over the Northern hemisphere.

Somewhere in:
South America: Carora, Venezuela - 10N 70W
Africa: Pariang, South Sudan - 10N 30E
Europe: St. Petersburg, Russia - 60N 30E
North America: Kangirsuk, Canada - 60N 70W

In miles:
a = 3112.11
b = 6767.50
c = 3454.67
Diagonals are 5961.39

Arc distances have chords like this:
a = 3032.59
b = 5973.05
c = 3346.09

Straight diagonal is SQRT(ab + c2) = 5413.88

The corresponding arc on the surface is 5961.38

As you can see, the difference is 0.01 again.

~~~~~

I am not here to mock you, or anyone else.
Especially not if facts could suffer that way.

Congratulations. You've proved the maps being imaginary but not real. because the actual world map is not smooth, the amount of error should be more than this is written.

Imaginary? :)
You saw the accuracy.

Inform yourself on Spherical Geometry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_geometry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_geometry)).
It will help you understand Geodesy a bit better. Much more than just two decimals can be used there.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/fQ2ffz.png)

It doesn't work in Russia and China at all. It is completely imaginary. Because aircrafts are in Chinese running in so called low speeds in China. Actually they use all their speed but map is wrong and imaginary. It clearly is imaginary. It doesn't work.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Macarios on July 09, 2019, 07:04:15 AM
It doesn't work in Russia and China at all. It is completely imaginary. Because aircrafts are in Chinese running in so called low speeds in China. Actually they use all their speed but map is wrong and imaginary. It clearly is imaginary. It doesn't work.

The reason why it doesn't work in China is because Chinese government forbids accurate maps "for national security reasons".
They even have contract with Google to avoid correct positions of anything in China.



On the other hand, using position in Russia didn't ruin our last calculation.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 09, 2019, 08:37:17 AM
It doesn't work in Russia and China at all. It is completely imaginary. Because aircrafts are in Chinese running in so called low speeds in China. Actually they use all their speed but map is wrong and imaginary. It clearly is imaginary. It doesn't work.

The reason why it doesn't work in China is because Chinese government forbids accurate maps "for national security reasons".
They even have contract with Google to avoid correct positions of anything in China.



On the other hand, using position in Russia didn't ruin our last calculation.

Theorically. But even so measurements in Russia are wrong. It does not overlap with reality.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 09, 2019, 09:05:41 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
This is fact, it is how all maps are made.
Wrong. I made a map completely free of other maps only by using aircraft flight times.

Riiiiiight.
You see No issue with that methodology?

Does it has to be?

Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
Or planes use knotts.
Or because theres no airport for every city.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Macarios on July 09, 2019, 02:18:25 PM
It doesn't work in Russia and China at all. It is completely imaginary. Because aircrafts are in Chinese running in so called low speeds in China. Actually they use all their speed but map is wrong and imaginary. It clearly is imaginary. It doesn't work.

The reason why it doesn't work in China is because Chinese government forbids accurate maps "for national security reasons".
They even have contract with Google to avoid correct positions of anything in China.



On the other hand, using position in Russia didn't ruin our last calculation.

Theorically. But even so measurements in Russia are wrong. It does not overlap with reality.

Russia may have the same "national security problem" (or it had in the past)
but this is what Google Maps shows today:

45N 45E - near Velichayevskoye
45N 135E - just east of Ariadnoye
70N 135E - just west of Ust-Kuyga
70N 45E - in the sea NW from Bugrino (or NE from Murmansk)

Arcs of great circles (surface distances) in miles:
a = 1933.99
b = 4145.61
c = 1727.34
Diagonals = 3341.28

Chords of the coresponding arcs:
a = 1914.82
b = 3958.77
c = 1713.67

SQRT(ab + c2) = 3242.99
Corresponding arc = 3341.28

Doesn't work?
Looks like it does.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 09, 2019, 02:49:02 PM
Nope. It was not the accuracy of the numbers. I can write them without a number after coma.
And that just means you are discarding some of the accuracy, which is what you are doing anyway.

The simple fact is the numbers you provided are accurate to 10 m.
You wanting to change that to pretend it matches a FE wont make it so.

Again, pretending Earth is flat results in significant error, well outside this 10 m range.
Accepting it is round results in insignificant error, well within this 10 m range.

Now, do you have any justification for your 0.5% error? Or is that just the number you made up which might sound reasonable and allows you to pretend FE distances match?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 09, 2019, 11:59:15 PM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
This is fact, it is how all maps are made.
Wrong. I made a map completely free of other maps only by using aircraft flight times.
That is not a proper map, just some places.  Find out how cartographers uses GPS and the WGS-84 model.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 10, 2019, 12:47:49 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
This is fact, it is how all maps are made.
Wrong. I made a map completely free of other maps only by using aircraft flight times.
That is not a proper map, just some places.  Find out how cartographers uses GPS and the WGS-84 model.

It is map just does not show ground and sea lines. cartographers has to use my map instead GPS and WGS-84 BS.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 10, 2019, 12:51:04 AM
Nope. It was not the accuracy of the numbers. I can write them without a number after coma.
And that just means you are discarding some of the accuracy, which is what you are doing anyway.

The simple fact is the numbers you provided are accurate to 10 m.
You wanting to change that to pretend it matches a FE wont make it so.

Again, pretending Earth is flat results in significant error, well outside this 10 m range.
Accepting it is round results in insignificant error, well within this 10 m range.

Now, do you have any justification for your 0.5% error? Or is that just the number you made up which might sound reasonable and allows you to pretend FE distances match?

Your 10m explanation has not a scientific explanation but just your thoughts. This is clearly isn'T how error limits work. Your repeating same mistake does not make it magically true. A value of 0.5% is taken as the error limit for most scientific calculations. Inıther say this is the most known error limit in scientific calculations. Your being a man does not aware science proves only your ignorancy. Inother say, you are so called discussing about a scientific matter has not a relevant with science, and perhaps you are just a program that your programmers have forgot add you education. Because when I have asked your education you did not answer me at all. It means absent.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 10, 2019, 01:59:35 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
This is fact, it is how all maps are made.
Wrong. I made a map completely free of other maps only by using aircraft flight times.
That is not a proper map, just some places.  Find out how cartographers uses GPS and the WGS-84 model.

It is map just does not show ground and sea lines. cartographers has to use my map instead GPS and WGS-84 BS.
Please explain more, does not make sense.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 10, 2019, 02:01:56 AM
Your 10m explanation has not a scientific explanation but just your thoughts.
No, it isn't just my thoughts.
It is based upon the accuracy of the data provided.
You can do a more accurate error analysis if you want to determine a better value, but it will be no where near what you need.

This is how error works in science.
They don't just pull a number out of thin air and declare that to be the error limit.
Instead they use the uncertainty of the data they have. That can be limitations in the instruments or a precision limit in values reported in the literature.

The only part I am leaving out is combining the multiple error ranges to produce the final uncertainty.
But if you want, I can do that as well.
Lets use the small area shall we?
I'll even be nice and overestimate the error by adding them rather than adding in quadrature.
I will even be generous and take the error as 10 m, rather than the far more common approach of the error being half the least significant digit reported without uncertainty.
However, you just kept adding on to your distances.
So that means each reported value (except the first, but for simplicity I will include that) has an uncertainty of 20 m.

Now we could just go and try to add the errors up for each step, but that will likely over estimate it. (admittedly, that is what I first went to do, but I stopped myself when I got to y and started to reuse values.) Let's do it the more scientific way.

First, what is our final formula?
Well, if the top length is a, and the bottom length is b, and the side length is c, what do we do?
First we find x, the extra bit on the side of the bottom. This is (b-a)/2.
Then we find the height h, by taking the square root of the different between c^2 and x^2.
i.e. h^2=c^2-x^2.
Then we find y, the length of the top, plus the extra bit on the bottom. This is a+x=a+(b-a)/2=(a+b)/2.
Now we find d, the diagonal, by finding the square root of h^2+y^2
d^2=h^2+y^2
=c^2-x^2+y^2
=c^2-(b-a)^2/4+(a+b)^2/4
=c^2-(b^2-2ab+a^2)/4+(a^2+2ab+b^2)/4
=c^2+(-b^2+2ab-a^2)/4+(a^2+2ab+b^2)/4
=c^2+(-b^2+2ab-a^2+a^2+2ab+b^2)/4
=c^2+(4ab)/4
=c^2+ab
So d=sqrt(c^2+ab)

Note: While I am saying percentage error, I will express the percentage error in fractional form. i.e. 100%=1, 5%=0.05
Also note: While I am providing the values to some number of s.f. Excel will use more than reported.

Now this is represented nice and simply as a function of the original values.
So the first step to figuring out the errors, we note that we are multiplying values (even if it is just by itself). When multiplying, the percentage errors add.
This means for c^2, we first find the percentage error of 3.00E-05, and multiply it by 2 to get the percentage error in c^2 of 6.00E-05.
Then we multiply this by c^2 to get the absolute error in c^2, so we end up with 445129 km^2 with an uncertainty of 27 km^2.
Now we add the percentage errors in a and b of 1.91E-05 and 1.70E-05 to get 3.61E-05, the percentage error in ab.
This gives us ab as 1234051 km^2 with an uncertainty of 45 km^2.
Then as we add the 2 values together, we add the absolute errors, to get d^2 as 1679180.799 km^2 ith an uncertainty of 71 km^2.
Now for the last step we find the square root.
For this we need to use percentage errors again and similar to how squaring doubled the percentage error, square rooting will cut it in half.
That means we take our percentage error of 4.24E-05 and cut in half to get 2.12E-05.
This means we end up with d as 1295.832 km with an uncertainty of 0.027 km, or 0.03 km.

Quite close to the 0.01 km I started with, much smaller than the actual difference between the 2 values, confirming that these values are in fact different and much smaller than your magic 0.5%, which is pulled from nowhere.

If you take the more common approach of adding errors in quadrature and using 0.005 km as the starting point as half the least significant digit, you end up with a final error of 0.01 km, just like I started with.

So no, I am following the scientific approach to errors.
Using this approach, the values for the diagonals assuming Earth is flat and off the map are different.
However the values for the diagonals assuming Earth is round and off the map are equal within uncertainty.

You are using a completely unscientific method of just asserting the error is 0.5% without paying any attention to the accuracy of the initial data.
In some cases that will be a massive overestimate. In others it will be a massive underestimate.
There is nothing scientific about just asserting it is 0.5%.

You repeatedly insulting me wont change how uncertainties work.

Now how about you justify your 0.5%?
Are you sure you aren't confusing it with a p value of 0.05?
If so, that is to expand the uncertainty based upon more complex statistics to produce a 95% confidence interval.
Some fields will use other confidence intervals, such as 99% or 99.5%.
But there is no widely held 0.5%

So again, can you justify your 0.5%?

Me not answering about my education doesn't mean it is absent, it means it is irrelevant.
I don't need to appeal to credentials to back up my claims.
I don't need to appeal to a PhD or multiple scientific publications in scientific journals.
If someone needs to appeal to academic credentials it shows they can't defend their position.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 10, 2019, 03:38:10 AM
So again, can you justify your 0.5%?
yes. It is the result of my observation on many scientific measurements. It 's hard to believe you' re exhausting yourself for things like this. Your talking "again and again" just proves how you are cornered and trying to get rid of it by posting longer and longer things. Mister, nobody read it.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 10, 2019, 03:42:15 AM
<blabbing>
If you want to talk about other thread then write on other thread. Stop blabbing. I had banned and constantly targeted by angry globularists prevent me answer all of you, because I have my own life and job. I can't spend all my time your childish questions. I am only writing the issues whih I see it deserves to it. I am not unemployed like you angry globularists, thanks God. Since The earth is flat hence google is using flat map.
Explained here.  https://support.esri.com/en/technical-article/000009982

Google Maps and Microsoft Virtual Earth use a Mercator projection based on the World Geodetic System (WGS) 1984 geographic coordinate system (datum). This Mercator projection supports spheres only

And https://www.quora.com/How-does-Google-maps-coordinate-system-works

Nope. Do not make word salad. Supporting something and using something without paying its copyright is different things. Mercador projection is using flat map datas without paying and supporting the spheres. Mercador should to shame on itself.
This is fact, it is how all maps are made.
Wrong. I made a map completely free of other maps only by using aircraft flight times.
That is not a proper map, just some places.  Find out how cartographers uses GPS and the WGS-84 model.

It is map just does not show ground and sea lines. cartographers has to use my map instead GPS and WGS-84 BS.
Please explain more, does not make sense.

that is, there are enough cities on all continents on the map. The coastline can be drawn by taking the distance of any city to the beach from anywhere and minimizing the average error and proportioning it with the flat-round index in that area. this can be done with any graphic editing program that allows stretching, shortening and rotating on an image.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 10, 2019, 03:50:12 AM
1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 10, 2019, 04:09:10 AM
It is the result of my observation on many scientific measurements.
This in no way justifies it.

I don't care about other experiments you have carried out. They have no bearing on this one.
Why should we use 0.5% as our error limit when clearly the more valid option is 0.01 km, or 0.03 if I am being generous?

I have clearly shown how to use the scientific approach to arrive at the error limit I have used.
Yet you just pull a number out of no where.

Where your experiments anything like what we are doing now?

If not, they are irrelevant.

So I ask again, can you actually justify your 0.5%?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 10, 2019, 05:45:55 AM
It is the result of my observation on many scientific measurements.
This in no way justifies it.
It competely justify it. Your denying it without any evidence does not magically make it unjustified. Since you don't care my experiment I don't care anything about you.

Again, again and one more time again, you can not get an exact measurement as an error limit. It has to be marked as percentage of anything. this is always the case, and the error limits are usually a number in a thousand. Many specifications in measurements have adopted 5 error limits per thousand. it does not need explanation. You need the explanation because you're ignorant. I don't have time to make a separate proof for every ignorant. You've unlimited time, search it for yourself.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 10, 2019, 07:22:53 AM
1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 10, 2019, 09:24:04 AM
1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

Where is the question of this answer.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 10, 2019, 02:08:26 PM
It competely justify it.
No it doesn't.
I want a proper justificaiton of how you ended up at 0.5% for the data in question.

Again, again and one more time again, you can not get an exact measurement as an error limit. It has to be marked as percentage of anything.
Asserting the same falsehoods wont make it true.
Almost always, the initial measurement will have an error which is an absolute error.
When you measure temperature, you don't get an error to some percentage. You get it to some number of degrees.
When you measure an angle, you don't get an error to some percentage, you get it to some number of degrees or radians.
When you measure a length, you don't get an error to some percentage, you get it to some length.
When you measure a volume, you don't get an error to some percentage, you get it to some volume.
And so on.

You ignoring how these errors work will not help you.

I know how errors work. I'm not the ignorant one here. I know that you are doing it completely wrong.
I know that no amount of searching will help, because there simply is no justification for just using 0.5%.
Plenty of things are made where that kind of error is far too large to be acceptable and would result in the part simply not working.

If you want to lie and pretend that 0.5% is the error limit that should be used in this case rather than 0.01 km you need to justify it.
Until you do, I will continue accepting reality, that 0.01 km is the limit of uncertainty and thus the values provided are clearly using a RE model, not a FE model.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 10, 2019, 03:00:58 PM
1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

Where is the question of this answer.

your "answer" to 3 was that someone would have to field measure the distance to the coast from any major airport.

but you have not answered 1 or 2.

1.
how do you account for varying speeds, taxi/ landing delays, wind vectoring, when all you measure are flight times?

2.
knots are used and roughly measure out lines of latitude...of a round earth.
why would they need knots?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 11, 2019, 01:08:09 AM
It competely justify it.
No it doesn't.
I want a proper justificaiton of how you ended up at 0.5% for the data in question.
Yes it does. I explained where the 0.5% came from. not understanding this is your own problem. Your not to understand anything doesn't magically make it wrong.

You ignoring how these errors work will not help you.

we define it as error limit, not error. There are always error limits in nature, and for such measurements the error limit is 0.5%. Your ignorance does not change this situation.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 01:22:36 AM
Yes it does. I explained where the 0.5% came from.
You "explaining" that you bascially pulled it from no where is not justifying it.
I want a justification for why it should be used.
You are yet to provide any.

I have provided a justification for why 0.01 km is a valid error limit.

If all you are going to do is repeatedly assert that you need to use your magic value from no where, then this conversation is over.
The appropriate uncertainty to use is 0.01 km.
The values obtained do not match representing Earth as a flat surface as the differences between the calculated and obtained values are larger than this uncertainty.
The values obtained do match representing Earth as a sphere, as the differences between the calculated and obtained values fall within the uncertainty.
This shows that Google is using RE distances, not FE distances.

And more importantly, it shows that FE and RE distances do not match, not even for Europe.

If you want to convince any rational person that that is wrong you will need to provide an actual justification for why one should use such a larger uncertainty as 0.5%. This will require discussing the data itself and why it is less certain, rather than just saying you like that error or that completely different measurements have that large an error.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 11, 2019, 01:35:23 AM
I have provided a justification for why 0.01 km is a valid error limit.

Your explanation is null. You can't use a spesific lenght as an error limit till prove its valid. it wouldn't be like it because you wanted something. if you ask any of the land surveyor about the error limit of 5 per thousand, they will tell you that it is appropriate. Your ignorance is your ignorance and your own problem. Repeating same baseless 0,01 kms does not magically make it justified by anything.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 11, 2019, 03:20:28 AM
1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

Where is the question of this answer.

your "answer" to 3 was that someone would have to field measure the distance to the coast from any major airport.

but you have not answered 1 or 2.

1.
how do you account for varying speeds, taxi/ landing delays, wind vectoring, when all you measure are flight times?

2.
knots are used and roughly measure out lines of latitude...of a round earth.
why would they need knots?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 11, 2019, 05:32:47 AM
I have provided a justification for why 0.01 km is a valid error limit.

Your explanation is null. You can't use a spesific lenght as an error limit till prove its valid. it wouldn't be like it because you wanted something. if you ask any of the land surveyor about the error limit of 5 per thousand, they will tell you that it is appropriate. Your ignorance is your ignorance and your own problem. Repeating same baseless 0,01 kms does not magically make it justified by anything.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 11, 2019, 05:40:24 AM
1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

Where is the question of this answer.

your "answer" to 3 was that someone would have to field measure the distance to the coast from any major airport.

but you have not answered 1 or 2.

1.
how do you account for varying speeds, taxi/ landing delays, wind vectoring, when all you measure are flight times?

2.
knots are used and roughly measure out lines of latitude...of a round earth.
why would they need knots?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 11, 2019, 05:47:17 AM
spamming is reported. It is a BS and, Do I have waste of my time to answer all the BS? Ask it to your friends have infinite times those rabblack or jackinoz.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 11, 2019, 07:47:07 AM
You claim 0.5% error.
Just figuring how thats possible when wind can get pretty windy and pilots can always choose to go faster to make up time after delays.

V = d/t

Youre trying to measure d with TWO varuables.
Not one.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 12, 2019, 09:30:55 AM
1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

Where is the question of this answer.

your "answer" to 3 was that someone would have to field measure the distance to the coast from any major airport.

but you have not answered 1 or 2.

1.
how do you account for varying speeds, taxi/ landing delays, wind vectoring, when all you measure are flight times?

2.
knots are used and roughly measure out lines of latitude...of a round earth.
why would they need knots?

infinite time?
you seem to have enough time to back and forth with jackblack about other nonsense.
i'm sure this is answered as your mapping method was developed years ago.
D = V x T.
how do you accurately portray distance to +/-0.5% error when you're only measuring one variable (T)?
is V constant?
how is V constant if pilots can chose to go faster or slower.
how is v constant if winds can affect a plane's speed?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 12, 2019, 01:12:00 PM
1.
Possibly because d = vt and your method doesnt acount for wind vector, landings and take off taxing, and such.
2.
Or planes use knotts.
3.
Or because theres no airport for every city.


I see an "answer" for 3.
What about 1 and 2.

Where is the question of this answer.

your "answer" to 3 was that someone would have to field measure the distance to the coast from any major airport.

but you have not answered 1 or 2.

1.
how do you account for varying speeds, taxi/ landing delays, wind vectoring, when all you measure are flight times?

2.
knots are used and roughly measure out lines of latitude...of a round earth.
why would they need knots?

infinite time?
you seem to have enough time to back and forth with jackblack about other nonsense.
i'm sure this is answered as your mapping method was developed years ago.
D = V x T.
how do you accurately portray distance to +/-0.5% error when you're only measuring one variable (T)?
is V constant?
how is V constant if pilots can chose to go faster or slower.
how is v constant if winds can affect a plane's speed?

V is not constant. V various with distance. Considering the short or long distance takes into account both the speed of the aircraft and relative landing and take-off times.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 12, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
So your map is based on plotting reported velocties against reported time?
You were given a min-by-min travel log showing v and t?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 12, 2019, 01:43:39 PM
In a way or other, your childish questions do not end. I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time. I calculated average speeds for different distances for each different aircraft types. I used different speeds at different distances for different aircrafts. then multiplied by the travel time based on this calculated speed value, I found the actual distance. many correction methods have been used purely for reducing the errors. At the end, Europe map was overlapping. Your persistent objections either because you don't understand the subject or are for cause me waste of time. these are certainly not well-intentioned. because you learn a subject every day and that doesn't make you convinced of the flat world. Tomorrow you will come again with a ridiculous question.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 13, 2019, 04:25:50 AM
Ridiculous question -

You didnt see the circular error in developing your map?

You dervived V from globe map D and reported total time T for a given list of plane classes.
Then you made a generic assumption that planes of class X travel at an average V, always.

Then you applied the generic V of class X, to a reported time T on different flights and came up with a D.



Ridiculous question 2 -

0.5% error using all those assumptions?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: rabinoz on July 13, 2019, 05:01:11 AM
In a way or other, your childish questions do not end. I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time. I calculated average speeds for different distances for each different aircraft types. I used different speeds at different distances for different aircrafts. then multiplied by the travel time based on this calculated speed value, I found the actual distance. many correction methods have been used purely for reducing the errors. At the end, Europe map was overlapping. Your persistent objections either because you don't understand the subject or are for cause me waste of time. these are certainly not well-intentioned. because you learn a subject every day and that doesn't make you convinced of the flat world. Tomorrow you will come again with a ridiculous question.
This isn't tomorrow but this is not a ridiculous question. It is a very important question about the accuracy of your map!

And you have ignored all air-routes that don't fit you own idea as to the shape of the earth! You must be the world champion cherry-picker by now!
If you omitted one of those flight paths your map cannot be an accurate map of the whole world!
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 13, 2019, 07:21:07 AM
In a way or other, your childish questions do not end. I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time. I calculated average speeds for different distances for each different aircraft types. I used different speeds at different distances for different aircrafts. then multiplied by the travel time based on this calculated speed value, I found the actual distance. many correction methods have been used purely for reducing the errors. At the end, Europe map was overlapping. Your persistent objections either because you don't understand the subject or are for cause me waste of time. these are certainly not well-intentioned. because you learn a subject every day and that doesn't make you convinced of the flat world. Tomorrow you will come again with a ridiculous question.
This isn't tomorrow but this is not a ridiculous question. It is a very important question about the accuracy of your map!

And you have ignored all air-routes that don't fit you own idea as to the shape of the earth! You must be the world champion cherry-picker by now!
  • What flights between South Africa and Australia have you included?
    If it's none how could you map have the distance between South Africa and Australia correct?  Answer me that!

  • What flights between Australia and South America and  have you included?
    If it's none how could you map have the distance between Australia and South America correct?  Answer me that!

  • What flights between South America and South Africa and  have you included?
    If it's none how could you map have the distance between South America and South Africa correct?  Answer me that!
If you omitted one of those flight paths your map cannot be an accurate map of the whole world!

This is another ridiculous question. you're wrong about that. if 1 route conflicts with the remaining 100 routes, that route is ignored, not used. in other words, if the theory of contraction of the map is acted upon, all lines that extend up that line will be denied. this is contrary to statistics and all other disciplines. I'm sorry, I don't have to accept a route that contradicts all the statistics and proves to be wrong, just because it conflicts with your map. If you could prove this to be true, I would reconsider all other flights. but the fact that you can't prove it is a second proof that these routes are lies. It is no problem that it is compatible with the flat world map. I could torture the map to make it compatible. but my goal is not to prove the flat world or prove that the other map is a lie, but to make a working flat world map. I'm sorry, I can't cheat people with a wrong map because it contradicts your lies.

Between flights any of South America, South Africa and Australia are absent. At least they are not the time you claim. these flights are realized only indirect through Qatar, London , North America or somewhere else. I'm not saying that. That's what tens of thousands of flight data I've examined are telling that. millions of people fly indirectly using these lines. and then boom! Qantas shows up and says they fly millions of people directly. let's believe you okay show us a video: no need. Come on! it's enough to make a cat laugh
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 13, 2019, 11:46:10 AM
Aaah.
0.5% is possible when all conflicting data is ignored.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: rabinoz on July 13, 2019, 05:34:40 PM
In a way or other, your childish questions do not end. I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time. I calculated average speeds for different distances for each different aircraft types. I used different speeds at different distances for different aircrafts. then multiplied by the travel time based on this calculated speed value, I found the actual distance. many correction methods have been used purely for reducing the errors. At the end, Europe map was overlapping. Your persistent objections either because you don't understand the subject or are for cause me waste of time. these are certainly not well-intentioned. because you learn a subject every day and that doesn't make you convinced of the flat world. Tomorrow you will come again with a ridiculous question.
This isn't tomorrow but this is not a ridiculous question. It is a very important question about the accuracy of your map!

And you have ignored all air-routes that don't fit you own idea as to the shape of the earth! You must be the world champion cherry-picker by now!
  • What flights between South Africa and Australia have you included?
    If it's none how could you map have the distance between South Africa and Australia correct?  Answer me that!

  • What flights between Australia and South America and  have you included?
    If it's none how could you map have the distance between Australia and South America correct?  Answer me that!

  • What flights between South America and South Africa and  have you included?
    If it's none how could you map have the distance between South America and South Africa correct?  Answer me that!
If you omitted one of those flight paths your map cannot be an accurate map of the whole world!

This is another ridiculous question. you're wrong about that. if 1 route conflicts with the remaining 100 routes, that route is ignored, not used. in other words, if the theory of contraction of the map is acted upon, all lines that extend up that line will be denied.
No, it is not a ridiculous question! The Southern Hemisphere exists and whether there are a few or many flights here, any valid map must get those distances correct too!

Your map assumes that the earth is flat before you even start and that is the grievous logical fallacy of "Affirming the Consequent".
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 13, 2019, 06:53:31 PM
This is another ridiculous question. you're wrong about that. if 1 route conflicts with the remaining 100 routes, that route is ignored, not used.
Only if you have no concern for the truth.
It isn't 1 route which conflicts, it is several conflict with the map you have provided.
If you try it on a round map, it works fine.

The problem is you start with the assumption that Earth is flat, and the discard anything that shows it isn't.

Try doing your map again, but this time on a round Earth of unknown curvature and see how you go.
Note: This can still produce a flat map, where the radius is infinite.

If you could prove this to be true
It has been proven to be true, with you then demanding ridiculous standards of evidence which you have not applied for any other flight.
You have no interest in accepting these flights as real because they show Earth isn't flat and you have no way out of that fact.

but my goal is not to prove the flat world or prove that the other map is a lie, but to make a working flat world map.
And you have failed because your map does not work for these flights.
It doesn't even work to accurately predict the longitude difference which equates to a time difference.
Your map doesn't work.
No Flat Earth map does.

If you want to create a working map you need a map that can be used to predict the location of celestial objects, including the sun, as well as predict distances and flight times between various cities, including those which would otherwise show your map is wrong.

Ignoring the times your map doesn't work doesn't mean your map works.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 13, 2019, 11:09:24 PM
No, it is not a ridiculous question! The Southern Hemisphere exists and whether there are a few or many flights here, any valid map must get those distances correct too!

Your map assumes that the earth is flat before you even start and that is the grievous logical fallacy of "Affirming the Consequent".

So you know the true shape of the earth's being flat because you know everything, right? So why do you hide the truth, are you NASA?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: rabinoz on July 17, 2019, 12:40:43 AM
No, it is not a ridiculous question! The Southern Hemisphere exists and whether there are a few or many flights here, any valid map must get those distances correct too!

Your map assumes that the earth is flat before you even start and that is the grievous logical fallacy of "Affirming the Consequent".
So you know the true shape of the earth's being flat because you know everything, right? So why do you hide the truth, are you NASA?
I claimed no such thing. I simply said that:
No, it is not a ridiculous question! The Southern Hemisphere exists and whether there are a few or many flights here, any valid map must get those distances correct too!

Your map assumes that the earth is flat before you even start and that is the grievous logical fallacy of "Affirming the Consequent".
No, it is not a ridiculous question! The Southern Hemisphere exists and whether there are a few or many flights here, any valid map must get those distances correct too!

Your map assumes that the earth is flat before you even start and that is the grievous logical fallacy of "Affirming the Consequent".
And I've shown elsewhere that neither your map nor Gleason's map are any use in the Southern Hemisphere. Here read it again!
You can use Gleason's map. Actually my map is better because updated but has not finished. I recommend you use Gleason's map in everywhere in the earth. It works perfectly.
No! Gleason's map Time Chart does not work "perfectly" anywhere except close to the North Pole.

Wise, you just say empty words like, "my map is better" and "Gleason's map . . . . works perfectly" with no evidence to back it up!

Here is "Gleason's Map":
(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/eUVVPW.jpg)
"Gleason's Map: 1892 new standard map of the world

Now just as one example, compare the widths of the USA and Australia in that "map":
(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/6e6UyC.jpg)
United States on Gleasons Map: 4300 km wide
      (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/NNKTCf.jpg)
Australia on Gleasons Map: 3994 km wide
      (https://www.ga.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0016/12535/GA6264.gif)
Sizes of Australia/United States

So the USA (at 4300 km) is wider than Australia (at 3994 km) but look just compare the widths on the Gleason's map.

And just compare the shape of Australia determined by surveyors measurements in the 1800s with the shape of Australia on current maps - they are virtually the same.
(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/dIKKJ6.jpg)
Map of Australia published in 1855
      (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/a66MUd.png)
Map of Australia published from Garmin GPS
But the proportions of Australia on the "Gleason's Map" are obviously grossly distorted.

"Gleason's Map" is simply a North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the Globe and was patented and published as a "Time-Chart" NOT an accurate map of the earth.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Platonius21 on July 20, 2019, 06:17:50 AM
I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time.
Really?  You examined hundreds of thousands of flights? You must have access to a very large database to do that. What database did you use? Or is this just another lie?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 21, 2019, 05:41:53 AM
I claimed no such thing. I simply said that:
The earth is flat
categoricall  all flight times proves that the earth is flat. opposite arguments are the so-called south-south flights, which you can never prove.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 21, 2019, 05:45:41 AM
I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time.
Really?  You examined hundreds of thousands of flights? You must have access to a very large database to do that. What database did you use? Or is this just another lie?

Lies come from only globulards here.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

All flight times come with at least more than 100 flights have not written in that thread. Inother say, you see many datas there, and there is a bacground of it like the side of an iceberg in the water. If I say it is 100k, so it is 100k. I don't need to lie rabinoz about it. Did you ever try to find a lie of rabinoz? Be sure it is easier to find his lies then mines, if you gain money to find lies. Oh, sure, it is not your business. You are here for get fun.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 21, 2019, 06:49:30 AM
I claimed no such thing. I simply said that:
The earth is flat
categoricall  all flight times proves that the earth is flat. opposite arguments are the so-called south-south flights, which you can never prove.
Many people travel on south to south flights. You should try one.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Platonius21 on July 21, 2019, 07:01:21 AM
I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time.
Really?  You examined hundreds of thousands of flights? You must have access to a very large database to do that. What database did you use? Or is this just another lie?
If I say it is 100k, so it is 100k.
Oh -- just because you say you examined hundreds of thousands of flights we are supposed to believe you? It is impossible that you analyzed hundreds of thousands of flights without access to a large database of flight details. Either tell us where this database is or admit you are lying.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Lonegranger on July 21, 2019, 07:10:04 AM
I claimed no such thing. I simply said that:
The earth is flat
categoricall  all flight times proves that the earth is flat. opposite arguments are the so-called south-south flights, which you can never prove.

Rubish... The fact that all aircraft flight courses are plotted and determined using GPS which is derived from transmitted satellite data. The fact that you are too closed-minded to accept this is your problem.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 21, 2019, 03:20:21 PM
categoricall  all flight times proves that the earth is flat. opposite arguments are the so-called south-south flights, which you can never prove.
We have been over this countless times.
For starters, you are outright rejecting flights which show categorically that Earth cannot be flat.
What you are doing is no better than someone starting in the southern hemisphere and then rejecting a bunch of flights in the north because it shows Earth can't be flat.
So no, categorically all flight times prove that Earth is round.

But even if you ignore that, you haven't proven Earth is flat.
Your map has massive errors and is still consistent with a RE.
Every flight time you have is consistent with a RE.

That means you haven't proven Earth is flat.
At best you end up with not being able to tell if Earth is flat or round.
That is not proving Earth is flat.
You can't just say "this is consistent with a FE so Earth is flat" while ignoring that it is also consistent with a RE.

In order to prove Earth is flat or round you need to find something that will distinguish them.
This can be done in a number of ways.
If you want to use flight times, then given all the flight times you already have, what you need is flight times in the south.
These flights, which you repeatedly reject are the only hope you have of an approach purely using flight times to try and show if Earth is flat or round.
If Earth is round, the times should be relatively short. If Earth is flat, they should be much longer.
For example, the distance between Sydney and Santiago is roughly 11 340 km for a RE. That means it should take roughly 12 hours or so for a flight between these locations. Exact winds and other factors may effect that to push it from 12 hours, but it should be in that ballpark.
However, if Earth is flat, even being nice and using your map, the distance is roughly 19 700 km. That means it should be a roughly 20 hour flight.

Looking it up it is 12 hours 30 minutes one way, 14 hours 20 minutes the other. That likely includes taxiing and so on, and thus the real times would be shorter. That is consistent with a RE.

If you are willing to use other data, so not just flight times then there are other options as well.
For example, you can use a longitude difference. You can use that to determine how far a location is from the centre.
Doing that with Perth and Sydney, as already done, shows that they must be closer to the centre of Earth than the equator.
Again this shows your map to be wrong and shows (using your data as well) that Earth isn't flat, and instead is round.

So no, you haven't proven Earth is flat.
You have been able to find a collection of data that shows Earth could be flat or round, and reject the data which shows Earth is round.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 22, 2019, 12:45:01 AM
I claimed no such thing. I simply said that:
The earth is flat
categoricall  all flight times proves that the earth is flat. opposite arguments are the so-called south-south flights, which you can never prove.
Many people travel on south to south flights. You should try one.
Why don't you try it your own?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 22, 2019, 12:46:45 AM
I claimed no such thing. I simply said that:
The earth is flat
categoricall  all flight times proves that the earth is flat. opposite arguments are the so-called south-south flights, which you can never prove.

Rubish... The fact that all aircraft flight courses are plotted and determined using GPS which is derived from transmitted satellite data. The fact that you are too closed-minded to accept this is your problem.

Rubish is your writings. Stop to provocate me to cause me ban by support of globularist slave boydster. Your claiming something related so called satellites does not magically satellites exist.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 22, 2019, 12:52:04 AM
<unnecessary insults are deleted>
So no, you haven't proven Earth is flat.
You have been able to find a collection of data that shows Earth could be flat or round, and reject the data which shows Earth is round.
Your denying the facts does not magically make neither my map, not flat earth wrong. You are just deceiving yourself. I have examined countless flights and eliminated flights statistically inconsistent with others. Meanwhile those eliminated flights have not a real time evidence prove their existance. You are claiming it because you have a benefit of defend those flights. Otherwise why is your source of so insistance about lies?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 22, 2019, 02:03:42 AM
Why don't you try it your own?
What is the point?
We aren't the paranoid ones that reject it because it shows we are wrong.
I know plenty of people personally who have flown these flights.
I have no doubt that they exist and fly as reported.

You are the one rejecting their existence.
You have shown you are unwilling to accept any evidence of their existence.
As such, you should be the one to go and try flying one.
That way you can confirm for yourself that they are real.

I also notice you completely ignored the main point I was making with my post.

Even if we were to accept all the flights you provided, that still doesn't show Earth is flat.
It shows you are unable to determine if Earth is flat or round, as you reject the data which can be used to tell them apart.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 22, 2019, 05:18:23 AM
Why don't you try it your own?
What is the point?
The point that why don't you try it by your own. Before you don't do anything I do not need to repeat it.
We aren't the paranoid ones that reject it because it shows we are wrong.
But you are here ones that you are not a believer but in a forum have not relevant with your belief on Satan'asa. Maybe you are people as paranoid as reject it because it shows you are wrong, because you have already enough suspect of why you are here. A normal human does not do it.
We aren't the paranoid ones that reject it because it shows we are wrong.
You know you are wrong. So do not reject it anymore and prove you are not paranoid.
I know plenty of people personally who have flown these flights.
Nope. Either they say lie or you say lie. Prove. Or want them to prove it. You can trust them but I / we don't trust you at all because of countless lies made by you and your friends. In a not fair man, you need exact proofs to let us believe you. Otherwise your words, your friend's words mean zero value.
I have no doubt that they exist and fly as reported.
Again, repeating same lies do not magically change them to truths. It was old theory if you tell a lie 40 times people belive it. It does not work anymore. Give up to do it, grow up.
You are the one rejecting their existence.
I am rejecting something is alredy not exist. You are claiming them being exist something you know they are not exist.
You have shown you are unwilling to accept any evidence of their existence.
Nope. Stop lying. Prove where I said I don't accept evidences show their existance. I want evidences prove their existance but you have only blabbings and blabbings. I am still ready to listen evidences but you have not. You have only lies about evidences and about me.
<perpetual lies>
You are constantly claiming about me thinking something  that I am not, doing something that I am not; you are really making me bored. Why don't you argue with imaginary me in your own fantasy world and write real things with me that's really here?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 22, 2019, 01:57:26 PM
Nope. Either they say lie or you say lie.
See, this is why it is completely pointless for me or anyone other than you to go take that flight.
If anyone does and claims to have flown it you will say they are lying.
If they provide video footage you will say it is fake.

The only person you will accept is yourself.
In order for you to see if the flight exists is for you to go fly it yourself.
But you refuse. I wonder why...

<perpetual lies>
You are constantly claiming about me thinking something  that I am not, doing something that I am not; you are really making me bored. Why don't you argue with imaginary me in your own fantasy world and write real things with me that's really here?
And again, you dismiss the most important part without even an attempt at refutation.

Is it really that damning to your position?

Once again, all the flight times you have are consistent with a RE.
That means your flight times do not prove a FE at all.
In order to be able to use flight times to show that Earth is flat or round you need to use those flights you reject.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 22, 2019, 03:00:06 PM
I claimed no such thing. I simply said that:
The earth is flat
categoricall  all flight times proves that the earth is flat. opposite arguments are the so-called south-south flights, which you can never prove.

Rubish... The fact that all aircraft flight courses are plotted and determined using GPS which is derived from transmitted satellite data. The fact that you are too closed-minded to accept this is your problem.

Rubish is your writings. Stop to provocate me to cause me ban by support of globularist slave boydster. Your claiming something related so called satellites does not magically satellites exist.
You seem to be unable to show locations for transmitters that satellite dishes use.  Why?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 22, 2019, 11:41:35 PM
See, this is why it is completely pointless for me or anyone other than you to go take that flight.
Inother say, it is pointless only for you. And your thought hasen't any value. Hence, there isn't anybody think it pointless.
If anyone does and claims to have flown it you will say they are lying.
Nope. Stop lying. I don't say anything like it. Stop to test my personel properties and make me character test. Grove up.
If they provide video footage you will say it is fake.
Are you oracle? You did not provide about your baseless claims any full time video about it so that you can not know this. You are saying this because you know you can not find a real time footage, hence you are making the road of your excuses. Hell yeah man, you don't provide a vide evidence because you know me deny it. So tell me why do you try to convince me in many issues that you know I will deny them? Because you respect readers and truth, right? So how can my thought became the most important thing when I want an evidence and you can not find it at all?
The only person you will accept is yourself.
Why so lie? I accept more than 90% of talkings of dutchy, fjr66, cikljamas, sandokhan and Tom Bishop. Why do you need lying? Because you haven't a better argument, right? Mister wrong; lying isn't an argument, deal with it.
In order for you to see if the flight exists is for you to go fly it yourself.
Why don't you do it? It is already exist. How can I fly a flight already is exist? You have they are exist, so why don't you prove it, because of absent? Grow up. Stop to continue baseless claims.

<perpetual lies>
Is it really that damning to your position?
You know I did not refute myself. You have made up this.

jackblack is my gsm. we are different accounts
This is true. So what?

Why can not you use one account at per time?

Again and again, hundreds of thousands flight times prove that the earth is flat. And your so called baseless claims and excuses to can not find an opposite arguments does not debunk it at all. Face the truth.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 23, 2019, 02:33:23 AM
Inother say, it is pointless only for you.
No, it isn't pointless for me, nor is it only for me.

You have shown that you will just dismiss what others say as a lie, so it pointless for people other than you to go on this flight to confirm to you that Earth is round.
I.e. it is pointless for you to ask others to go on the flight and it is pointless for you for others to go on these flights.

For other people, there is already enough evidence that these flights exist and are as people claim so it is pointless for anyone to go on them to prove they are real.

So it is entirely pointless for everyone.

The only one which isn't pointless is for those who reject the flights to go on them.



Nope. Stop lying. I don't say anything like it.
I'm not the one lying here.
All one needs to do is go up a few of your posts and they see the following, where you dismiss claims of people going on these flights as a lie.
Nope. Either they say lie or you say lie.

This applies almost always.
Whenever you are presented with evidence that shows you are wrong you will do one of 3 things:
Dismiss it as fake/call it a lie.
Run away from the thread.
Delete it and make some insult instead.

Are you oracle?
Again, I don't need to be. People have provided you with footage, and you dismiss it as fake, with no justification at all.

So tell me why do you try to convince me
Why assume I am here to convince you?
I am here to call out your BS, because unlike you I care about the truth and all it takes for BS to triumph is for honest people to say nothing.
I know you are far too gone to see reason.

liar is my gsm. we are different accounts
This is true. So what?
Why can not you use one account at per time?
I am.
How come you seem to be perfectly fine addressing the majority of my post (even if it is just calling me a liar), but here you cut it out and replace it with pure fiction?

This just shows just how damning this fact is.

Again and again, hundreds of thousands flight times prove that the earth is flat.
Repeating the same lie wont make it true.
The massive uncertainty in your method results in it being consistent with a RE and a FE.
You are yet to demonstrate any incompatibility with a RE and as such you have failed to prove that Earth is flat.

Again, in order to determine the shape of Earth from flight times, you need those flights you reject.
To show Earth is round, you need them to have times similar to those already reported which are entirely consistent with a RE.
For a FE you need to have them be much much longer times.

Face the truth. If you are unwilling to accept a round Earth at least stop claiming you have proven Earth is flat with your data which is entirely consistent with a RE.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Platonius21 on July 23, 2019, 05:21:16 AM
I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time.
Really?  You examined hundreds of thousands of flights? You must have access to a very large database to do that. What database did you use? Or is this just another lie?
If I say it is 100k, so it is 100k.
Oh -- just because you say you examined hundreds of thousands of flights we are supposed to believe you? It is impossible that you analyzed hundreds of thousands of flights without access to a large database of flight details. Either tell us where this database is or admit you are lying.
All this accusing Jack Black of lying. So where is this database you used in analyzing "hundreds of thousands" of flights? If you cant produce it, you prove yourself a liar.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 23, 2019, 05:56:59 AM
I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time.
Really?  You examined hundreds of thousands of flights? You must have access to a very large database to do that. What database did you use? Or is this just another lie?
If I say it is 100k, so it is 100k.
Oh -- just because you say you examined hundreds of thousands of flights we are supposed to believe you? It is impossible that you analyzed hundreds of thousands of flights without access to a large database of flight details. Either tell us where this database is or admit you are lying.
All this accusing Jack Black of lying. So where is this database you used in analyzing "hundreds of thousands" of flights? If you cant produce it, you prove yourself a liar.

Yes you proved your being a liar, not me. I've gave you link. Open my map working. All datas depend on hundreds of flights. There are datas about or more than a thousand. It proves hundreds of thosands of flights have been examined. Your only role here is making here crowded and force me to reply you, but not to jackblack. Then jackblask says: "hey look wise, can not reply me!". Why don't you quote from Jackblack at all? Is everything he writing true? Definitely they are not. You are acting like a gang. This is not fair at all.

Rab/Jackblack is using you to make crowd here proves he hasn't strong arguments so strenghten his position by using empty people with baseless talkings. It proves the earth's being flat and flat earth map is a fact.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 23, 2019, 06:06:38 AM
No, it isn't pointless for me, nor is it only for me.

But you was saying it is pointless for you.

See, this is why it is completely pointless for me or anyone other than you to go take that flight.

Congratulations, you have proved your being a liar, by one more time contradicting yourself. You have used to contradict yourself, I believe you need to be reset or upgrade your android system. Please call your system IT worker.

So you are ojbecting only for honor of objection! Your contradicting yourself can't stop your objecting all my posts. So all I need just copy your writings and prove how you deny yourself.  :)

You have shown that you will just dismiss what others say as a lie, so it pointless for people other than you to go on this flight to confirm to you that Earth is round.

Who have a claim should go. Not only me, majority of FE'rs deny it. numerical superiority is not a scientific argument. otherwise the shepherd would not rule the flock, but the sheeps would rule. We are the shepherd of this flock and you are representing majority sheeps in this example. Sorry, numerical advantage means nothing. It only an advantage in your dreams never realise.

<continuesly long and unnecessary post>
Sounds like you have jobless have many times to write here. So you are not doing any other job. Inother say you are taking salary to reply flat earthers here, otherwise you can not gain money. But we flat earthers have our own job and have to interest it.

So, stop to repeat same baseless claims. Either provide a valid evidence or move away slowly.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 23, 2019, 02:16:34 PM
There are datas about or more than a thousand.
Firstly, data is the plural, datum is singular.
There are data about more than a thousand.
But this data is no better than that for the southern flights which you reject.
Where are all the real time videos?

<continuesly long and unnecessary post>
Sounds like you have jobless have many times to write here.
And again you ignore the key part of the post and just throw more insults.
Once again, all this is showing is that you have no defence.

Again, the only way you can use flight times to determine the shape of Earth is if you include those southern flights.
Doing so with the same kind of data you use for the rest shows Earth is round.

You have not proven Earth is flat at all.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Platonius21 on July 23, 2019, 07:00:49 PM
I have examined hundreds of thousands of flights by plane type and flight time.
Really?  You examined hundreds of thousands of flights? You must have access to a very large database to do that. What database did you use? Or is this just another lie?
If I say it is 100k, so it is 100k.
Oh -- just because you say you examined hundreds of thousands of flights we are supposed to believe you? It is impossible that you analyzed hundreds of thousands of flights without access to a large database of flight details. Either tell us where this database is or admit you are lying.
All this accusing Jack Black of lying. So where is this database you used in analyzing "hundreds of thousands" of flights? If you cant produce it, you prove yourself a liar.
All datas depend on hundreds of flights. There are datas about or more than a thousand. It proves hundreds of thosands of flights have been examined.
Just your saying you analyzed hundreds of thousands of flights proves nothing because you are always claiming things that are not true. The only way you could have examined hundreds of thousands of flights as you claim, would be to have access to a large database of flight data. 

Tell us what database you used or else admit you have not analyzed hundreds of thousands of flights as you claim.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 24, 2019, 02:41:33 AM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 24, 2019, 02:56:14 AM
Where are all the real time videos?
There is enough number to establish a consistent bond with each other.
Sounds like you have jobless have many times to write here.
And again you ignore the key part of the post and just throw more insults.
Your defining a harmless sentence as insult does not magically make it as insult. Even if you accept this sentence as an insult, I think you are not the same person who wrote those sentences. Have you had a brain transplant?
Just a remind, one of hundreds of similar post:
Deal with the topic at hand, or fuck off.
We see who is real insulter man here. This is in debate. How funny. I have not told you even "f*ck off" just told your being jobless. There is nothing wrong here. Be fair, grow up.
Once again, all this is showing is that you have no defence.
I've explained but you are closing your eyes. Your only job is here but I have my own working. Hence I can not follow all your blabbings but you have infinite time to ask me more and more unnecessary questions. Since your talking generally are wast in vain, I don't give them a time to reply but repying all serious statements. Your not being sincere is your own problem. Shortify your questions, prevent your game partners enter here, then you'll get all the answers you need. You know this but you are talking only for make crowdy here.
Again, the only way you can use flight times to determine the shape of Earth is if you include those southern flights.
There are enough number of south flights. Some flights you suggest are contradicting hundreds of thousands other flights, including other southern flights too. I am not taking salary from Qantas to defend their lies, why do I defend their lies?
Doing so with the same kind of data you use for the rest shows Earth is round.
No, it can't do it at all. All the remained datas prove that the earth can not be round, but has to flat.
You have not proven Earth is flat at all.
Your closing eyes to truths does not magically makes a proved thing to not proven.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: rabinoz on July 24, 2019, 03:45:12 AM
Are you ever going to stop your dishonesty in changing the contents of posts and forging the names in quotes?
I claimed no such thing. I simply said that:
The earth is flat
categoricall  all flight times proves that the earth is flat. opposite arguments are the so-called south-south flights, which you can never prove.

Why do you make fake posts like:
The earth is flat

I did not make a post that said that! My post said:

No, it is not a ridiculous question! The Southern Hemisphere exists and whether there are a few or many flights here, any valid map must get those distances correct too!

Your map assumes that the earth is flat before you even start and that is the grievous logical fallacy of "Affirming the Consequent".

If you cannot make an honest post it proves that you know you have lost the argument and have admitted that you are wrong!

And you know there are no people here named RabBlack as in
        Daylight arrives Jerusalem before Tel Aviv proves the globalist maps are wrong « Message by wise on Today at 04:48:48 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82466.msg2190122;topicseen#msg2190122)
   or Jackinoz as in Flat Map in Google Map « Reply #107 on: Today at 07:56:14 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82213.msg2190174#msg2190174)
so stop your silly childish forging of names in quotes!

Forgery just proves your dishonesty and if you can't post honestly don't bother posting at all!
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 24, 2019, 03:55:10 AM
And again you lie about who posted what.

There is enough number to establish a consistent bond with each other.
And that applies to the southern flights as well.
Again, you are using a dishonest double standard to dismiss the flights which allow you to determine if Earth is flat or round, just because they show Earth is round.


There are enough number of south flights. Some flights you suggest are contradicting hundreds of thousands other flights, including other southern flights too.
No they don't.
You are yet to show any contradiction.
All the contradict is your baseless assertion that Earth is flat.
These flights aren't the problem, your assumption that Earth is flat is.

I've explained but you are closing your eyes.
No, you never explained.
You just asserted your flight data proves Earth is flat.
I explained quite clearly that it doesn't, and you just repeatedly ignored it and insulted me, just like you are doing now.

All the remained datas prove that the earth can not be round, but has to flat.
What magic data is this?

Again, all the data you have used is 100% consistent with a RE.
The only data which allows you to distinguish between a RE and a FE are the southern flights you reject.

So you either accept these southern flights and accept that it shows Earth is round, or you reject them and admit you have not proven Earth is flat.

If you wish to claim that you have proven Earth is flat, provide this proof, without just ignoring flights which contradict it.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 24, 2019, 05:17:11 AM

Are you ever going to stop your dishonesty in changing the contents of posts and forging the names in quotes?

Are you ever goint to stop your dishonesty in changing the font size of writings in your quotes?


If you cannot make an honest post it proves that you know you have lost the argument and have admitted that you are wrong!

If you cannot make an honest post it proves that you know you have lost the argument and have admitted that you are wrong! What has changed here? I have warned you more than twice to don't make your posts with extra effects that I don't read concentrate them. Did I tell it? Yes I did. I did it many times but you have continued to dishonesty by doing it. Your making your word types bigger does not make your argument stronger, face with it!


so stop your silly childish forging of names in quotes!

So stop your silly childish chainging the font size!

Changing font size of writings isn't an argument! Get it RABBLACK?, JACKINOZ ?


Forgery just proves your dishonesty and if you can't post honestly don't bother posting at all!

Changing font size proves your dishonesty and if you can't post honestly don't bother posting at all!

Take it all with yourself rabblack.

PS: There was nothing in your post related the issue. Normally you have tog et ban for it, but we know, angry globularist moderation team supported you never take a ban! This what you define as honesty! Using flat earth society forum management team as your slave, then talk about honesty! What a wonderfull world!
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Platonius21 on July 24, 2019, 08:17:49 AM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 24, 2019, 12:56:59 PM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.

So, if I don't give you my source then I magically become a liar because you want it so, right? Sources are in the map worK. Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right? Inother say, you don't want to examine the map worKing but want to learn something from me by easiest way because you don't want to spend any time for it. Nope. You have to examine the map worKing, you should to see how it is hard, then you should to respect the worKing, then you'll also see the sources. Simple to get, just give up to get Knowledge free and try worK to get it.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 24, 2019, 12:58:37 PM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.

So, if I don't give you my source then I magically become a liar because you want it so, right? Sources are in the map worK. Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right? Inother say, you don't want to examine the map worKing but want to learn something from me by easiest way because you don't want to spend any time for it. Nope. You have to examine the map worKing, you should to see how it is hard, then you should to respect the worKing, then you'll also see the sources. Simple to get, just give up to get Knowledge free and try worK to get it.
How will you be telling beyond this forum?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 24, 2019, 02:12:16 PM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.

So, if I don't give you my source then I magically become a liar because you want it so, right? Sources are in the map worK. Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right? Inother say, you don't want to examine the map worKing but want to learn something from me by easiest way because you don't want to spend any time for it. Nope. You have to examine the map worKing, you should to see how it is hard, then you should to respect the worKing, then you'll also see the sources. Simple to get, just give up to get Knowledge free and try worK to get it.
How will you be telling beyond this forum?

Sorry. I am trying to make a connection between this post and topic. Still could not find. Can you help me by you explain what did you try to say but could not achieved.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 24, 2019, 02:24:55 PM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.

So, if I don't give you my source then I magically become a liar because you want it so, right? Sources are in the map worK. Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right? Inother say, you don't want to examine the map worKing but want to learn something from me by easiest way because you don't want to spend any time for it. Nope. You have to examine the map worKing, you should to see how it is hard, then you should to respect the worKing, then you'll also see the sources. Simple to get, just give up to get Knowledge free and try worK to get it.
How will you be telling beyond this forum?

Sorry. I am trying to make a connection between this post and topic. Still could not find. Can you help me by you explain what did you try to say but could not achieved.
Try again.  With your discoveries you should be telling everyone and not just discussing here.  Who have you told?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Platonius21 on July 24, 2019, 03:55:14 PM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.
Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right?

I said no such thing, that's just another of your lies for all to see. Anyone reading this thread can see that I never said that, and that you are a liar for saying I did.

As a matter of fact, I had looked at that link your provided, and there is no evidence there of your examining hundreds of thousands of flights. Some flights yes, but far, far fewer than the hundreds of thousands you claim.

So I will say it again: Tell us where the database is that you used to examine hundreds of thousands of flights, or admit you lied when you said you examined hundreds of thousands of flights.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: rabinoz on July 24, 2019, 07:19:34 PM
Are you ever going to stop your dishonesty in changing the contents of posts and forging the names in quotes?

Are you ever goint to stop your dishonesty in changing the font size of writings in your quotes?

If you cannot make an honest post it proves that you know you have lost the argument and have admitted that you are wrong!

If you cannot make an honest post it proves that you know you have lost the argument and have admitted that you are wrong! What has changed here? I have warned you more than twice to don't make your posts with extra effects that I don't read concentrate them. Did I tell it? Yes I did. I did it many times but you have continued to dishonesty by doing it. Your making your word types bigger does not make your argument stronger, face with it!

so stop your silly childish forging of names in quotes!
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Stash on July 24, 2019, 07:34:50 PM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.

So, if I don't give you my source then I magically become a liar because you want it so, right? Sources are in the map worK. Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right? Inother say, you don't want to examine the map worKing but want to learn something from me by easiest way because you don't want to spend any time for it. Nope. You have to examine the map worKing, you should to see how it is hard, then you should to respect the worKing, then you'll also see the sources. Simple to get, just give up to get Knowledge free and try worK to get it.

Actually not so simple. Your criteria for a flight being valid is that there is a video, in real time, from beginning to end. Therefore, you must have watched 100's of thousands of videos. I can't find 100's of thousands of real time flight videos.

So, how did you?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 12:34:37 AM
Are you ever going to stop your dishonesty in changing the contents of posts and forging the names in quotes?

Are you ever goint to stop your dishonesty in changing the font size of writings in your quotes?

If you cannot make an honest post it proves that you know you have lost the argument and have admitted that you are wrong!

If you cannot make an honest post it proves that you know you have lost the argument and have admitted that you are wrong! What has changed here? I have warned you more than twice to don't make your posts with extra effects that I don't read concentrate them. Did I tell it? Yes I did. I did it many times but you have continued to dishonesty by doing it. Your making your word types bigger does not make your argument stronger, face with it!

so stop your silly childish forging of names in quotes!

What? I can't read it. Are you ever going to stop your dishonesty in changing the font size of writings in your quotes?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 12:37:58 AM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.

So, if I don't give you my source then I magically become a liar because you want it so, right? Sources are in the map worK. Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right? Inother say, you don't want to examine the map worKing but want to learn something from me by easiest way because you don't want to spend any time for it. Nope. You have to examine the map worKing, you should to see how it is hard, then you should to respect the worKing, then you'll also see the sources. Simple to get, just give up to get Knowledge free and try worK to get it.

Actually not so simple. Your criteria for a flight being valid is that there is a video, in real time, from beginning to end. Therefore, you must have watched 100's of thousands of videos. I can't find 100's of thousands of real time flight videos.

So, how did you?

I determine when there are times when video needs: "if there is a contradiction between routes".

For example, none of northern flights are contradicting. So, no need to verify. Some of south routes are contradicting. So they need to verify. I've determined the contradicted routes and found that intercontinental southern flights are absent. I don't need to these routes to place the southern cities. The remeined flights are already enough to I place them correctly. Inother say, I don't need to accept fraud routes as correct. It is not my business.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 25, 2019, 12:41:22 AM
I determine when there are times when video needs: "if there is a contradiction between routes".
Really? It sure seems that you decide that they need video when it contradicts your baseless assumption that Earth is flat.

There is no contradiction in the southern flights.
The only contradictions comes from assumption that Earth is flat.

If you think there is a contradiction, then show that there is one. And no, showing that they don't fit your incorrect map is just showing your map is wrong, not that there is a contradiction with the flights.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Stash on July 25, 2019, 12:43:45 AM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.

So, if I don't give you my source then I magically become a liar because you want it so, right? Sources are in the map worK. Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right? Inother say, you don't want to examine the map worKing but want to learn something from me by easiest way because you don't want to spend any time for it. Nope. You have to examine the map worKing, you should to see how it is hard, then you should to respect the worKing, then you'll also see the sources. Simple to get, just give up to get Knowledge free and try worK to get it.

Actually not so simple. Your criteria for a flight being valid is that there is a video, in real time, from beginning to end. Therefore, you must have watched 100's of thousands of videos. I can't find 100's of thousands of real time flight videos.

So, how did you?

I determine when there are times when video needs: "if there is a contradiction between routes".

For example, none of northern flights are contradicting. So, no need to verify. Some of south routes are contradicting. So they need to verify. I've determined the contradicted routes and found that intercontinental southern flights are absent. I don't need to these routes to place the southern cities. The remeined flights are already enough to I place them correctly. Inother say, I don't need to accept fraud routes as correct. It is not my business.

If you find contradictions, you must be comparing between at least two things. So what constitutes a contradiction? For example, none of northern flights are contradicting. Not contradicting as compared to what? You determined that southern routes contradicted with what?

Do you understand what I am asking?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 01:14:23 AM
I determine when there are times when video needs: "if there is a contradiction between routes".
Really? It sure seems that you decide that they need video when it contradicts your baseless assumption that Earth is flat.

There is no contradiction in the southern flights.
The only contradictions comes from assumption that Earth is flat.

If you think there is a contradiction, then show that there is one. And no, showing that they don't fit your incorrect map is just showing your map is wrong, not that there is a contradiction with the flights.

Nope. There are contradictions. I can easy prove them but you'll deny because I have calculated flight times then you'll refute them because of contradicts with your so called knowledge in the cave of globularism.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 01:16:03 AM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.

So, if I don't give you my source then I magically become a liar because you want it so, right? Sources are in the map worK. Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right? Inother say, you don't want to examine the map worKing but want to learn something from me by easiest way because you don't want to spend any time for it. Nope. You have to examine the map worKing, you should to see how it is hard, then you should to respect the worKing, then you'll also see the sources. Simple to get, just give up to get Knowledge free and try worK to get it.

Actually not so simple. Your criteria for a flight being valid is that there is a video, in real time, from beginning to end. Therefore, you must have watched 100's of thousands of videos. I can't find 100's of thousands of real time flight videos.

So, how did you?

I determine when there are times when video needs: "if there is a contradiction between routes".

For example, none of northern flights are contradicting. So, no need to verify. Some of south routes are contradicting. So they need to verify. I've determined the contradicted routes and found that intercontinental southern flights are absent. I don't need to these routes to place the southern cities. The remeined flights are already enough to I place them correctly. Inother say, I don't need to accept fraud routes as correct. It is not my business.

If you find contradictions, you must be comparing between at least two things. So what constitutes a contradiction? For example, none of northern flights are contradicting. Not contradicting as compared to what? You determined that southern routes contradicted with what?

Do you understand what I am asking?

Sure I do. I can show you how and when I have decided the contradictions whether exist or absent. But I am sure you will deny the evidences when I prove them. Because it contradicts with your patron's model. So what's new here? Can you promise to you accept the reality when I show you how I defined them; and find a new job does not order you defend the cave of globalism.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 01:29:46 AM
@stash; If you accept so I want to open a new thread about "numerical flat earth & globalist map discussings" then continue to discuss at there about how I define those things we have talked about. It is actually related with this thread but not so much. And that issue is complicated makes this issue out of content.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 25, 2019, 01:35:28 AM
Nope. There are contradictions. I can easy prove them
If you could you would have done so by now.

The only thing they contradict is your baseless assumption that Earth is flat.

So either show the contradiction or stop claiming there is one.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Stash on July 25, 2019, 01:38:25 AM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.

So, if I don't give you my source then I magically become a liar because you want it so, right? Sources are in the map worK. Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right? Inother say, you don't want to examine the map worKing but want to learn something from me by easiest way because you don't want to spend any time for it. Nope. You have to examine the map worKing, you should to see how it is hard, then you should to respect the worKing, then you'll also see the sources. Simple to get, just give up to get Knowledge free and try worK to get it.

Actually not so simple. Your criteria for a flight being valid is that there is a video, in real time, from beginning to end. Therefore, you must have watched 100's of thousands of videos. I can't find 100's of thousands of real time flight videos.

So, how did you?

I determine when there are times when video needs: "if there is a contradiction between routes".

For example, none of northern flights are contradicting. So, no need to verify. Some of south routes are contradicting. So they need to verify. I've determined the contradicted routes and found that intercontinental southern flights are absent. I don't need to these routes to place the southern cities. The remeined flights are already enough to I place them correctly. Inother say, I don't need to accept fraud routes as correct. It is not my business.

If you find contradictions, you must be comparing between at least two things. So what constitutes a contradiction? For example, none of northern flights are contradicting. Not contradicting as compared to what? You determined that southern routes contradicted with what?

Do you understand what I am asking?

Sure I do. I can show you how and when I have decided the contradictions whether exist or absent. But I am sure you will deny the evidences when I prove them. Because it contradicts with your patron's model. So what's new here? Can you promise to you accept the reality when I show you how I defined them; and find a new job does not order you defend the cave of globalism.

I think at a minimum, if you claim you examined 100's of thousands of flights to create a map and developed a methodology to do so, you should at least reveal said methodology. And if, as part of the methodology, you found what you call 'contradictions' then you have to explain what contradicted with what.

Otherwise, I could just draw something and say:

"Hey, look, here's my new map of Turkey!" (Even though it looks nothing like Turkey.)
You say, "Stash, how did you come up that map of Turkey, it looks nothing like anything I've seen before?"
I say, "I examined thousands of flights and found some contradictions. When I found a contradiction I removed it from the map"
You say, "What contradictions were those?"
I say, "I will tell you, but you have to find a new job that does not order you to defend the cave of flat earthism."

So enough, out with it, what contradicted with what? Defending your methodology is how you defend your map. On with it.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 01:52:16 AM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.

So, if I don't give you my source then I magically become a liar because you want it so, right? Sources are in the map worK. Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right? Inother say, you don't want to examine the map worKing but want to learn something from me by easiest way because you don't want to spend any time for it. Nope. You have to examine the map worKing, you should to see how it is hard, then you should to respect the worKing, then you'll also see the sources. Simple to get, just give up to get Knowledge free and try worK to get it.

Actually not so simple. Your criteria for a flight being valid is that there is a video, in real time, from beginning to end. Therefore, you must have watched 100's of thousands of videos. I can't find 100's of thousands of real time flight videos.

So, how did you?

I determine when there are times when video needs: "if there is a contradiction between routes".

For example, none of northern flights are contradicting. So, no need to verify. Some of south routes are contradicting. So they need to verify. I've determined the contradicted routes and found that intercontinental southern flights are absent. I don't need to these routes to place the southern cities. The remeined flights are already enough to I place them correctly. Inother say, I don't need to accept fraud routes as correct. It is not my business.

If you find contradictions, you must be comparing between at least two things. So what constitutes a contradiction? For example, none of northern flights are contradicting. Not contradicting as compared to what? You determined that southern routes contradicted with what?

Do you understand what I am asking?

Sure I do. I can show you how and when I have decided the contradictions whether exist or absent. But I am sure you will deny the evidences when I prove them. Because it contradicts with your patron's model. So what's new here? Can you promise to you accept the reality when I show you how I defined them; and find a new job does not order you defend the cave of globalism.

I think at a minimum, if you claim you examined 100's of thousands of flights to create a map and developed a methodology to do so, you should at least reveal said methodology. And if, as part of the methodology, you found what you call 'contradictions' then you have to explain what contradicted with what.

Otherwise, I could just draw something and say:

"Hey, look, here's my new map of Turkey!" (Even though it looks nothing like Turkey.)
You say, "Stash, how did you come up that map of Turkey, it looks nothing like anything I've seen before?"
I say, "I examined thousands of flights and found some contradictions. When I found a contradiction I removed it from the map"
You say, "What contradictions were those?"
I say, "I will tell you, but you have to find a new job that does not order you to defend the cave of flat earthism."

So enough, out with it, what contradicted with what? Defending your methodology is how you defend your map. On with it.

Map working actually has started here and conditions have determined: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=73165.0

You can follow the discussings in that thread. Anyways. I don't want to use that topic. And continue in new topic.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: inquisitive on July 25, 2019, 09:31:55 AM
Interesting that one person who cannot engage in poilte conversation knows the shape of the earth and noone else does.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: kopfverderber on July 25, 2019, 11:40:02 AM
I found this report in Youtube from flight QF28 Santiago de Chile - Sidney



Is this not good enough proof that the flight exists?
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: rabinoz on July 25, 2019, 01:24:33 PM
I found this report in Youtube from flight QF28 Santiago de Chile - Sidney



Is this not good enough proof that the flight exists?
Wise says that he will not accept any Southern Hemisphere flights (that won't fit his preconceived ideas as to the shape of the earth) without a full-flight continuous video.
I believe that I could get one of Qantas QF 63 (Sydney to Johannesburg) from WheresWa11y (https://www.youtube.com/user/wheresa11y) on YouTube.
GreaterSapien (https://www.youtube.com/user/GreaterSapien) took the flight and videoed it in full and WheresWa11y has the video but hasn't posted the full length one, just extracts.

Frankly, I can't be bothered chasing it up because Wise would find some excuse for ignoring it, claiming that Qantas was a Satanic or some similar excuse.

He's the typical conspiracy theorist who believes that any contrary evidence is fabricated!
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 01:34:09 PM
I found this report in Youtube from flight QF28 Santiago de Chile - Sidney



Is this not good enough proof that the flight exists?

Nope. It has to full flight video, ie about 12 hours in your example. rabinoz already knows I think like this. But he is trying to manipulate this reality and provocate you by saying lie about it. He is which side you stay on. Are you sure you are on true side? That side includes lies, manipulation and dishonesty.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: kopfverderber on July 25, 2019, 01:40:44 PM
I found this report in Youtube from flight QF28 Santiago de Chile - Sidney



Is this not good enough proof that the flight exists?

Nope. It has to full flight video, ie about 12 hours in your example. rabinoz already knows I think like this. But he is trying to manipulate this reality and provocate you by saying lie about it. He is which side you stay on. Are you sure you are on true side? That side includes lies, manipulation and dishonesty.

Lookat the the airport, the crew, the passengers. Do you really think this is all false? It's a real person posting his flights in youtube.

Anyway I posted a message in his youtube channel, asking him to please publish a whole flight with no cuts, so that flatearthers can believe it, maybe he will do it .
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 25, 2019, 03:45:23 PM
Nope. It has to full flight video, ie about 12 hours in your example. rabinoz already knows I think like this.
Yes, we both know you think like this.
You will make up absolutely ridiculous standards of evidence for anything proving you wrong and continually move the goal posts to avoid accepting that you are wrong, while happily accepting anything which is consistent with your beliefs, with very little scrutiny.

There is more than enough evidence to convince any sane person that these flights are real. The sole reason you reject them is that they do not work with your FE map.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: wise on July 26, 2019, 01:09:15 PM
Nope. It has to full flight video, ie about 12 hours in your example. rabinoz already knows I think like this.
Yes, we both know you think like this.
You will make up absolutely ridiculous standards of evidence for anything proving you wrong and continually move the goal posts to avoid accepting that you are wrong, while happily accepting anything which is consistent with your beliefs, with very little scrutiny.

There is more than enough evidence to convince any sane person that these flights are real. The sole reason you reject them is that they do not work with your FE map.

How do you know somebody else think? Can you show us where rabinoz told he knows I think there has to full flight time video, or are you reading him, or do you have another relationship we don't know.

I am not making up anything. I am forwarding the realities. Since you don't want to agree them so explaining it as making up something is a logical way for you deny the facts. Your closing your eyes to facts and calling them as maked up things can not change the facts.

If you claim I make up events so you have to "prove" it. Otherwise you are a liar and slanderer. Face with it.

This is relevant with your defining sane person. As fas as we see you are defining fool people who ready to believe all the globularist lie as sane person. You are wrong on it. Sane person in your thinking aren't sane person, they are fool person. Sane person only can be flat earthers.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Stash on July 26, 2019, 01:59:35 PM
Nope. It has to full flight video, ie about 12 hours in your example. rabinoz already knows I think like this.
Yes, we both know you think like this.
You will make up absolutely ridiculous standards of evidence for anything proving you wrong and continually move the goal posts to avoid accepting that you are wrong, while happily accepting anything which is consistent with your beliefs, with very little scrutiny.

There is more than enough evidence to convince any sane person that these flights are real. The sole reason you reject them is that they do not work with your FE map.

How do you know somebody else think? Can you show us where rabinoz told he knows I think there has to full flight time video, or are you reading him, or do you have another relationship we don't know.

I am not making up anything. I am forwarding the realities. Since you don't want to agree them so explaining it as making up something is a logical way for you deny the facts. Your closing your eyes to facts and calling them as maked up things can not change the facts.

If you claim I make up events so you have to "prove" it. Otherwise you are a liar and slanderer. Face with it.

This is relevant with your defining sane person. As fas as we see you are defining fool people who ready to believe all the globularist lie as sane person. You are wrong on it. Sane person in your thinking aren't sane person, they are fool person. Sane person only can be flat earthers.

Wise, we have run into this problem before. You're not being scientific/logical about this at all. Your logic is in inconsistent, biased and backwards.
According to you:
A) There must be a full length video of an entire flight for it to be valid.
B) Except where a flight fits my preconceived idea/shape of a map. If it fits my map, I don't need a full length video of an entire flight for it to be valid.

You can't have it both ways. If you were honestly trying to work out a map, you would take all of the flights, and map them out and let that determine the shape of your earth. You're basically smashing a round peg into a square hole.

If we were to use your logic in an unbiased way, then every flight you map must have a full length un-edited video of it for it to be valid. Otherwise all of the flights you have already mapped are invalid according to your criteria.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: JackBlack on July 26, 2019, 02:55:25 PM
How do you know somebody else think?
By observing how people act.
I could be mistaken and he could just be pretending.

I am not making up anything.
So you haven't made up any standard of evidence?
Making something doesn't always mean you are making something fictional.

If you weren't making anything up you wouldn't be demanding a full time flight video for these flights, instead you would just accept them.

So no, you are making up standards of evidence.
The reason they are ridiculous and extremely dishonest is because the standard is well above what it would take to convince a rational person of the existence of these flights, the evidence you demand is in no way better than the evidence already provided, and you only apply this standard to things which show you are wrong.

You happily accept all the flights that you can fit into your FE belief, but then when a flight comes up which shows you are wrong, you reject it and demand a ridiculous standard of evidence.
If you were being honest, you would either accept this flight as well and admit your map is wrong, potentially trying to remake it on a RE with an unspecified radius (which as I said before can still produce a FE, where the radius is infinite), or you would reject all the flights and demand a full time video for all of them.
Either way, the honest thing to do is use the same standard of evidence.

Sane person only can be flat earthers.
Not when there is literally no evidence to support a FE over a RE and mountains to support a RE over a FE.
Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Platonius21 on July 26, 2019, 08:30:19 PM

Tell us what database you used ...

How many of you is here?

It should be simple for you. Either tell us what database you used or admit you lied about examining hundreds of thousands of flights.
Inother say, you have admitted you did not examine the linK gave you, right?

I said no such thing, that's just another of your lies for all to see. Anyone reading this thread can see that I never said that, and that you are a liar for saying I did.

As a matter of fact, I had looked at that link your provided, and there is no evidence there of your examining hundreds of thousands of flights. Some flights yes, but far, far fewer than the hundreds of thousands you claim.

So I will say it again: Tell us where the database is that you used to examine hundreds of thousands of flights, or admit you lied when you said you examined hundreds of thousands of flights.
You have been challenged over and over again to tell us what database you used to examine "hundreds of thousands" of flights, or admit you are lying about that.  You won't because you can't because you didn't and it is all a big lie.

So I have an award for you:
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Title: Re: Flat Map in Google Map
Post by: Themightykabool on July 26, 2019, 10:40:05 PM
Haha
Did you seriously just come off a ban to go and use the tro0hy, which got you banned, on your first post?