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Title: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Denspressure on July 04, 2019, 12:50:41 PM
Photos taken by crew member onboard the USS Kearsarge.
October 3, 1962
Scans of original slides, color fade corrected and cleaned with Digital ICE.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/steamarchive/albums/72157709390757626

The photos are not sharp enough to read the watches well, that could give us an exact time.
Perhaps with some imagination and comparison of different watches we can come close.
If you want to give it a shot, I can provide raw scans that got a higher dynamic range, usefull on the bright watch faces. Huge files though, without redcast correction.

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Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Goldie on August 02, 2019, 06:54:08 AM
Great photos. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 02, 2019, 07:02:39 AM
I look forward to anything you post.
Can't click quick enough.

love it.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Denspressure on August 06, 2019, 03:41:12 AM
Alright, story time!
These slides were taken by Jack, who was a Navy Lieutenant at the time the photos were taken. He had several tours in Japan prior to this and bought a camera there to pursued that as a hobby. I have been talking with the seller, jack's son.

On photo 3, Jack is leaning against Hg8.

Here is part of a memoir written by his wife:
"
I got up at 5:00 o' clock on Wednesday, October 3, to watch the launching from Cape Canaveral of the Mercury-Atlas 8 with Astronaut Wally Schirra.
It was the fifth United States man mission. It was so exciting! I had the radio on all day with reports. He made six orbits taking about nine hours.

I was able to see the pickup on TV in the late afternoon.

Jack's squadron had put in many hours of training in case the capsule didn't land where it was planned to come down.

However it was a perfect landing and came down near the USS Kearsarge. Jack took movies of the capsule floating down, and Schirra being helped out into the lifeboat by a couple of SEALS.

When the lifeboat came near the ship, there was much cheering and applause from the ship's crew.

Wally Schirra was first off the boat and was given a royal welcome.

Soon he was off to sick bay to be carefully checked by the doctors. He received a call from his wife and one from President Kennedy. What a thrilling day!

This next day was just as exciting for Jack because he had to honor to fly to Midway Island to pick up Astronaut M. Scott Carpenter, a close friend of Wally Schirra.

Jack was back with his passenger in less than three hours. Scott Carpenter had been on the previous launch into space. The astronauts had dinner with the Captain.

Because there was no admiral on the ship, Wally and Scott were given the Admiral's stateroom."
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: lucyanderson on September 25, 2019, 01:02:12 AM
 I really appreciate this wonderful post. It has such a detailed information on the topic. Great job!


Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Denspressure on September 25, 2019, 02:22:45 AM
The 8mm recording mentioned in the memoir has been acquired and will eventually be digitized. Then it will be synchronised with the Mercury Atlas 8 recovery audio and possible NASA/News footage.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on September 25, 2019, 06:53:06 AM
Nice photos Den.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Stash on September 26, 2019, 12:16:45 AM
Outstanding as always Den. Can't wait to see more.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Denspressure on December 06, 2019, 12:53:06 AM
Ungraded still from ma-8 recovery 8mm

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Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 06, 2019, 02:24:13 AM
LOL. This Mercury tin pot was never in space and never returned from space. It is an early example of Fake News.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 06, 2019, 02:41:28 AM
LOL. This Mercury tin pot was never in space and never returned from space. It is an early example of Fake News.

Private photographs  ::)
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 06, 2019, 03:18:25 AM
LOL. This Mercury tin pot was never in space and never returned from space.
Oh look, our favourite Fake News expert turned up like the proverbial bad penny!

Anything you can't understand, and that's most things, he declares size=18pt]Fake News[/size].
The real Fake here is you, Heiwa.

Atmospheric re-entry is pretty well understood:

Heat Shields - Things Kerbal Space Program Doesn't Teach, 550,337 views by Scott Manley, 986K subscribers

Wouldn't you love the views and subscribers that Scott Manley has ;D? And that 550,337 views is for just one video!

Maybe if you understood a few things it might help.

But it doesn't always go exactly to plan!

Soyuz Capsule Out of Control During Re-entry
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 06, 2019, 04:27:17 AM
LOL. This Mercury tin pot was never in space and never returned from space.
Oh look, our favourite Fake News expert turned up like the proverbial bad penny!

Anything you can't understand, and that's most things, he declares size=18pt]Fake News[/size].
The real Fake here is you, Heiwa.

Atmospheric re-entry is pretty well understood:

Heat Shields - Things Kerbal Space Program Doesn't Teach, 550,337 views by Scott Manley, 986K subscribers

Wouldn't you love the views and subscribers that Scott Manley has ;D? And that 550,337 views is for just one video!

Maybe if you understood a few things it might help.

But it doesn't always go exactly to plan!

Soyuz Capsule Out of Control During Re-entry

Thanks! But did this space capsule really fly up in space and then dropped down on Earth into the water?
And what was the whole purpose of it?
To me only idiots throw things up in the sky to see them dropping down again.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Yes on December 06, 2019, 05:41:26 AM
To me only idiots throw things up in the sky to see them dropping down again.
In a way, that's all life will ever be.  Just a short excursion out of entropy, only to return in due time.

Of course, if you're smart, you'll plan the trajectory so that the fall isn't at a 90° angle to the ground.  ;)
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 06, 2019, 06:37:23 AM
And what was the whole purpose of it?
Why ask questions when you will never understand the answers?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 06, 2019, 08:04:10 AM
And what was the whole purpose of it?
Why ask questions when you will never understand the answers?
I understand a good joke. Like fake Americans in teapots in space. Of course you cannot return from space in a teapot. Or a flying saucer. So I still and always wonder why US Presidents & Co sent people into space. Didn't they understand it was impossible? This LBJ Potus looked more like a gangster ... so I just watched the show as usual when Nixon took over the rubbish.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Denspressure on December 06, 2019, 08:08:36 AM
At home, time for some grading and cropping:

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Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 06, 2019, 12:33:02 PM
And what was the whole purpose of it?
Why ask questions when you will never understand the answers?
I understand a good joke. Like fake Americans in teapots in space. Of course you cannot return from space in a teapot.
Maybe that's why the Americans did not go to space in teapots but in carefully designed capsules with very carefully profiled and protected heat shields.

Quote from: Heiwa
So I still and always wonder why US Presidents & Co sent people into space.
Possible because they decided that they could. Why do people climb Mt Everest?
But at the time, the main reason was to get ahead of the Russians. They would have gone eventually but not at such an accelerated pace.

Quote from: Heiwa
Didn't they understand it was impossible?
Nope, just maybe because it was not (quite) impossible and the Motto of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers during World War II was supposedly
        The Difficult We Do Immediately. The Impossible Takes a Little Longer but originally the thought was by:
Charles Alexandre de Calonne? Lady Aberdeen? George Santayana? Fridtjof Nansen? Nicolas Beaujon? Baron de Breteuil? Mrs. William Tilton? or somebody.

But little people, like you Mr. Anders Björkman, M.Sc. might be a Naval Architect and Marine Engineer, but that doesn't mean you have the background to understand aerothermodynamics.

Doesn't it get a mite uncomfortable sitting on that Dunning-Kruger Peak of Stupidity ;D?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 06, 2019, 03:52:54 PM
Thanks! But did this space capsule really fly up in space and then dropped down on Earth into the water?
Don't ask questions when you already know the answer but are so ignorant of the topic that you don't have a hope of understanding it.

Quote from: Heiwa
And what was the whole purpose of it?
To me only idiots throw things up in the sky to see them dropping down again.
To me only idiots ask questions like that when it's obvious that it was one small step in preparing the way for the Apollo missions to the Moon.

Stick to cleaning toilets in garbage scows.  You might understand that.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 06, 2019, 06:23:23 PM
According my understanding of aerothermodynamics the Mercury-Atlas 8 teapot could never survive a re-entry from space and an intact landing in water. So it was dropped from an airplane to impress people.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Stash on December 06, 2019, 06:29:15 PM
According my understanding of aerothermodynamics the Mercury-Atlas 8 teapot could never survive a re-entry from space and an intact landing in water. So it was dropped from an airplane to impress people.

The operative words here are, "According my understanding..."
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 06, 2019, 06:46:13 PM
According my understanding of aerothermodynamics the Mercury-Atlas 8 teapot could never survive a re-entry from space and an intact landing in water. So it was dropped from an airplane to impress people.
Just as I said, simply because you cannot understand aerothermodynamics you assume it's a fake.
But there are many people with an understanding aerothermodynamics who know that with atmospheric re-entry can be achieved.

You, however, think that you, whose only expertise is in marine engineering, think that you should be able to understand fields as far apart as nuclear weapon design and spacecraft re-entry.

I seem to detect a case of extreme Dunning-Kruger Syndorme possibly surpassed only by our two self-proclaimed Flat Earth Scientists.

Well, obviously you don't understand these things so please desist in accusing those that do understand these things of lying!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 06, 2019, 07:20:51 PM
According my understanding of aerothermodynamics the Mercury-Atlas 8 teapot could never survive a re-entry from space and an intact landing in water. So it was dropped from an airplane to impress people.
Just as I said, simply because you cannot understand aerothermodynamics you assume it's a fake.
But there are many people with an understanding aerothermodynamics who know that with atmospheric re-entry can be achieved.

You, however, think that you, whose only expertise is in marine engineering, think that you should be able to understand fields as far apart as nuclear weapon design and spacecraft re-entry.

I seem to detect a case of extreme Dunning-Kruger Syndorme possibly surpassed only by our two self-proclaimed Flat Earth Scientists.

Well, obviously you don't understand these things so please desist in accusing those that do understand these things of lying!

Well, just explain how a re-entry from the Moon takes place and collect €1M from me. See thread at top of page.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 06, 2019, 08:40:13 PM

According my understanding of aerothermodynamics . . .

infinity divided by zero?   ::)
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Stash on December 06, 2019, 10:11:16 PM
According my understanding of aerothermodynamics the Mercury-Atlas 8 teapot could never survive a re-entry from space and an intact landing in water. So it was dropped from an airplane to impress people.
Just as I said, simply because you cannot understand aerothermodynamics you assume it's a fake.
But there are many people with an understanding aerothermodynamics who know that with atmospheric re-entry can be achieved.

You, however, think that you, whose only expertise is in marine engineering, think that you should be able to understand fields as far apart as nuclear weapon design and spacecraft re-entry.

I seem to detect a case of extreme Dunning-Kruger Syndorme possibly surpassed only by our two self-proclaimed Flat Earth Scientists.

Well, obviously you don't understand these things so please desist in accusing those that do understand these things of lying!

Well, just explain how a re-entry from the Moon takes place and collect €1M from me. See thread at top of page.

Nah, much prefer checking out Denpressure's super awesome resurrected stills showing that it was done than trying to explain to someone with a tremendous and deep understanding of aerothermodynamics how it was done.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 07, 2019, 01:29:15 AM

According my understanding of aerothermodynamics . . .

infinity divided by zero?   ::)
No, you have to study my writings about it. Very popular.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 07, 2019, 01:55:47 AM
According my understanding of aerothermodynamics . . .

infinity divided by zero?   ::)
No, you have to study my writings about it. Very popular.
Very popular, very wrong.

Maybe you should enlighten us on your "understanding of aerothermodynamics"?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 07, 2019, 07:25:24 AM
According my understanding of aerothermodynamics . . .

infinity divided by zero?   ::)
No, you have to study my writings about it. Very popular.
Very popular, very wrong.

Maybe you should enlighten us on your "understanding of aerothermodynamics"?

OK - here we go!

A re-entry is done by a spacecraft or an ICBM returning to Earth from space at high speed that manages slowing down and land in 10 to 30 minutes. The first re-entry with a human aboard was done by Juri Gagarin 1961 ICBM style with start on Earth and a landing on Earth a little later. It was a communist hoax! It never happened in reality! It was Fake News! Pure propaganda.

The velocity at beginning of any re-entry at top of atmosphere (altitude 120 000 meters) - the re-entry interface - differs considerably depending on where the space craft comes from. It is suggested that a manned spacecraft arrives with speed >21,000 m/s, when coming from planet Mars, >11,000 m/s, when coming from the Moon or only about 8,000 m/s, when coming from Earth Parking Orbit, EPO. Reason for different re-entry velocities is that Earth gravity has accelerated the spacecrafts during different times; weeks for a spacecraft coming from Mars, days for a spacecraft coming from the Moon and hours for a spacecraft trying to descend from a space station in EPO or 30 minutes for an ICBM descending from its top altitude You must arrive at the starting point of a re-entry at the right time! If you arrive 10 seconds too early or late, you miss the end point - the landing zone or target - by 80 000 - 210 000 meters! What the change of direction (°/s) is better forgotten. Spacecrafts are supposed to land at 0 speed so parachutes are required at the end. ICBMs will just go faster and faster during re-entry. During re-entry there is always a break in communication between spacecraft or ICBM.

Assuming that it is possible to steer the spacecraft or ICBM to arrive at the correct location, at the right moment, at the right direction at the upper atmosphere in Earth 3D space (it isn't), it is suggested that suddenly a big brake force (!) develops out of nowhere up in the sky which slows down the spacecraft to land in front of a welcome committee with a brass band. It is suggested that this big brake force is due only to contact between the spacecraft or ICBM and air or atmosphere but it is aerothermodynamics nonsense.

It cannot happen in reality!

Only brain washed people believe it!

The first re-entry in history after a trip to the Moon was Apollo 8  on December 27, 1968. Apollo 8 was a small spacecraft capsule/command module without toilet. At 139h15m after start (and no visits to the toilet) Apollo 8 was 94 800 kms from Entry Interface 6h30m away. Speed was only 2 650 m/s. 37 minutes later Apollo 8 was 88 900 kms from Entry Interface with speed 2 740 m/s. During the next 6 hrs velocity increased all the time, e.g. 63 minutes later at140h55m - 78 300 kms from Entry Interface - speed 2 926 m/s, 124 minutes later at 142h59m - 56 340 kms from Entry Interface - speed 3 443 m/s, 37 minutes later at 143h36m - 49 000 kms from Entry Interface - speed 3 680 m/s, 37 minutes later at 144h13m - 41 255 kms from Entry Interface - speed 3 993 m/s, 25 minutes later at 144h38m - 35 188 kms from Entry Interface - speed 4 276 m/s, 31 minutes later at 145h09m - 28 254 kms from Entry Interface - speed 4 712 m/s, 23 minutes later at 145h32m - 21 531 kms from Entry Interface - speed 5 265 m/s, 13 minutes later (1 hr 1 m to Entry Interface) at 145h45m - 17 800 kms from Entry Interface - speed 5 588 m/s, 27 minutes later at 146h12m - 9 167 kms from Entry Interface - speed 7 103 m/s. At 146h31m the Service module was dumped (it burnt up in the atmosphere). Command module continued alone at increased speed. Reason why velocity increased and direction turned down to Earth was that Earth gravity force accelerated Apollo 8 straight down all the time!

Re-entry Interface at 120 000 m altitude was apparently reached at 146h46m - speed was then 11,040 m/s! Maybe they were above Tokyo at that time? With that speed straight down Apollo 8 would have hit the Ginza after 11 seconds. It didn't happen. Apollo 8 flew off towards Palmyra island in a remote area of the Pacific Ocean (where nobody could watch)!

What happened then, i.e. the real re-entry trajectory from Entry Interface to splash down is not really known. It was an aerothermodynamics mystery. There was a break in communication but at 146h54m - drogue chutes were out at 7 000 m altitude (we are told) (speed estimate 200 m/s?), at 146h55m - chutes were deployed and at 147h00m - splash down - December 27, 1968 (at 15.51.42 UTC local time), pos 8°8'N 165°1' W. Hole in one! Just in front of awaiting US navy ships and a brass band playing! The Apollo 8 crew could finally go to the toilet.

How Apollo 8 managed to slow down from 11 040 m/s speed to 0 in 14 minutes (or 840 seconds) at 13.14 m/s² has never really been explained. It was due to aerothermodynamics of course but how? Everyone was so happy that it just happened, so nobody ever asked ... how? Actually no re-entry took place at all. It was just a Hollywood show! Apollo 8 command module was dropped from a US airplane that took off from an airbase nearby.

Willy Low was happy! Americans believed anything 1968! The US Space Program was a success! Even if it was 100% fakery!

If e.g. Apollo 11 with mass 5 500 kg would start its re-entry with a speed of about 11 000 m/s, when arriving in and dipping into the upper, very thin atmosphere at say 120 000 meters altitude - the re-entry interface - with a certain direction relative ground and, if you intend to slow down at a constant 18.0 m/s² deceleration during about 10 minutes, you must apart from the brake force in the opposite direction of travel also counter the 9.8 m/s² vertical downwards pull of Earth gravity. It would appear that the constant, total force suddenly applied to re-enter and land must be of the order 130 900 N (that corresponds to 23.8 m/s² deceleration) during 10 minutes and you should of course wonder where it comes from. Aerothermodynamics? That force will also change your direction!

Can a force of 130 900 N (or 13 tons) just suddenly appear out of nowhere up in the sky at 120,000 m altitude?

It is suggested that this brake force consists of aerodynamic drag and lift but there is no air at 120,000 m altitude to provide any drag and lift. Aerothermodynamics!

Regardless, drag/lift forces are functions of spacecraft shape and flow, velocity and air density, which are changing all the time, i.e. the forces are not constant and so it is impossible to predict the brake trajectory of the re-entry from when the variable drag/lift forces are applied. You have not got a clue, where you will end up! It means that you will start to spin and burn up.

Furthermore it is suggested (already 1966) that a future spacecraft arriving from Mars at 21 000 m/s speed will bounce (LOL) on the top of the atmosphere, skip out and do a second re-entry (terminal control) a little later, i.e. the brake force lifts the spacecraft back into space again at first contact with the atmosphere.

But how do you control and determine such a high speed, skip out re-entry? Can you do it braking or speeding up with a rocket engine?

In order just to prepare a re-entry from EPO you must ensure that you arrive on time at the location to start re-entry at the exact speed/direction. If you are too early or too late to start your re-entry, you must slow down or speed up before to arrive in order not to make a mess of the rest.

It is not easy. It is in fact very difficult. The only way to slow down is to fire your rocket engine. Apollo 11 didn't have any but the Shuttle had:

To adjust re-entry speed at around 8 000 m/s velocity only from EPO costs plenty fuel. Say that your Shuttle arrives at 8 050 m/s speed with kinetic energy 32 401 250 J/kg, but that it should arrive at 7 950 m/s speed and kinetic energy 31 601 250 J/kg to succeed the complete re-entry. The difference in kinetic energy is then 800 000 J/kg.

Have you got the fuel to adjust the speed 100 m/s? The answer is simple.

Konstantin E. Tsiolkovsky has established that the change in velocity, delta-v, of a spacecraft in vacuum space (no influence of gravity of adjacent planet Earth) is a function of the mass ratio (spacecraft mass before, m0 and after, m1 firing the rocket engine, difference m0 - m1 being the fuel mass ejected as exhaust gas and the exhaust velocity ve of gas leaving the spaceship rocket nozzle.

Delta-v = ve ln (m0/m1)

Example - here we want to slow down a 78 000 kg (m0) Shuttle (with fuel) entering the atmosphere backwards at a almost horizontal speed of 8 050 m/s (no influence of gravity) to 7 950 m/s to ensure arriving at the re-entry location. The fuel aboard is ejected at a velocity ve of say 4 000 m/s. Delta-v is 100 m/s!

Then ln(m0/m1) = 0.025 and m0/m1 is about 1.025315!

It means that you need ~2.5% of the spacecraft mass or 2 000 kg of fuel just to slow down 100 m/s or 1.25% of the speed!

If your rocket engine is an old one with ve only 2 800 m/s, then ln(m0/m1) = 0.035 and m0/m1 is about 1.03636!

It means that you need ~3.6% of the spacecraft mass or 2 800 kg of fuel just to slow down 100 m/s!

And you have to fire the rocket engine in exactly the right direction at the right time/location! Otherwise you brake out of correct direction! And will miss the target.

Let's face it. You cannot do it. You cannot carry the fuel required! You cannot aim the brake force in the right direction.

How Apollo 11 without any rocket engine aboard managed to arrive at the re-entry start point in the upper atmosphere at the right time/speed/direction in 1969 is a mystery. Or not! It was all fantasy!

All re-entries since 1961 are hoaxes! You are going too fast and do not know your speeds, positions and directions at any moment and cannot adjust anything, as you do not have the means to do it.

The re-entry was an integral part of the 1957-1991 US/USSR fake 'space race', i.e. simple propaganda. The Russians just said it was dead easy and the Americans agreed. But it was and is impossible.

Etc, etc. Guess where above is from!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 07, 2019, 07:55:04 AM
If you can calculate the throw of a baseball to the Nth degree you can calc orbital trajectories.

I mean, not you, obviously.
Smart people.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: frenat on December 07, 2019, 08:35:22 AM
So in Heiwa's world, RADAR doesn't exist. That would be the only way they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions". Or the far more likely, heiwa doesn't understand so he assumes it is fake.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 07, 2019, 09:11:03 AM
So in Heiwa's world, RADAR doesn't exist. That would be the only way they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions". Or the far more likely, heiwa doesn't understand so he assumes it is fake.
Well, RADAR doesn't work in space. Only at sea on Earth ... yes. It is about waves ... But it is OT. Topic is the Mercury teapot that survived a re-entry due to magic aerothermodynamics.
The photos are right. The thing was never in space.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 07, 2019, 09:33:39 AM
Heiwa,

Go back to your thread and wait for visitors.    ;)
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 07, 2019, 09:52:39 AM
Heiwa,

Go back to your thread and wait for visitors.    ;)
I prefer  magic aerothermodynamics.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Yes on December 07, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
Spacecrafts are supposed to land at 0 speed so parachutes are required at the end. ICBMs will just go faster and faster during re-entry.
Nope, wrong again.  And do you mean drogue parachutes or the main parachutes?  (I only ask to highlight your ignorance.)  Either way, your assertion doesn't apply to splashdowns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashdown).  The braking just needs to reduce the speed enough so that when the spacecraft hits the water, it doesn't kill everyone.

How Apollo 8 managed to slow down from 11 040 m/s speed to 0 in 14 minutes (or 840 seconds) at 13.14 m/s² has never really been explained. It was due to aerothermodynamics of course but how? Everyone was so happy that it just happened, so nobody ever asked ... how?
As usual, your rambling post only serves to demonstrate your inability to use google.  Here's the official report on all you'd ever want to know about the Apollo landing systems:  https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740003586.pdf

I know you won't read it.  Your arrogance prevents you from learning.  Rather, I provide the link for the benefit of others.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: frenat on December 07, 2019, 07:00:50 PM
So in Heiwa's world, RADAR doesn't exist. That would be the only way they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions". Or the far more likely, heiwa doesn't understand so he assumes it is fake.
Well, RADAR doesn't work in space. Only at sea on Earth ... yes. It is about waves ... But it is OT. Topic is the Mercury teapot that survived a re-entry due to magic aerothermodynamics.
The photos are right. The thing was never in space.
So now you're claiming radio waves can't travel through space? Really? And NO, it is not off topic when YOU make the fallacious claim that they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions." YOU made it the topic. Now you're trying to run away from it with another fallacious claim.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 07, 2019, 07:15:51 PM
So in Heiwa's world, RADAR doesn't exist. That would be the only way they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions". Or the far more likely, heiwa doesn't understand so he assumes it is fake.
Well, RADAR doesn't work in space. Only at sea on Earth ... yes. It is about waves ... But it is OT. Topic is the Mercury teapot that survived a re-entry due to magic aerothermodynamics.
The photos are right. The thing was never in space.
So now you're claiming radio waves can't travel through space? Really? And NO, it is not off topic when YOU make the fallacious claim that they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions." YOU made it the topic. Now you're trying to run away from it with another fallacious claim.
No, I claim RADAR doesn't work in space. RADAR works only on Earth to spot things on and above Earth. It has nothing to do with radio waves. Topic is the Mercury teapot that was floating in the sea and lifted on a ship, so that photos could be taken of it. Some people suggest the Mercury teapot dropped down from space. I claim it was Fake News. The Mercury teapot was dropped off from an airplane and then splashed into the ocean below, etc. Very easy to fake as something coming from space higher above.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 07, 2019, 07:42:31 PM
I claim it was Fake News.
Now if only you could prove that it was fake news.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 07, 2019, 07:58:31 PM
No, I claim RADAR doesn't work in space. RADAR works only on Earth to spot things on and above Earth. It has nothing to do with radio waves.
Are you seriously claiming that "RADAR . . . . . has nothing to do with radio waves"?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/zyh0m30cwmp77fo/Einstein%20Duh.jpg?dl=1)
The ignorance is strong with this one!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Yes on December 07, 2019, 08:20:43 PM
The R in RADAR stands for tRoll.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 07, 2019, 09:19:45 PM
the other R stands for 'taRd
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 07, 2019, 10:06:23 PM
No, I claim RADAR doesn't work in space. RADAR works only on Earth to spot things on and above Earth. It has nothing to do with radio waves. Topic is the Mercury teapot that was floating in the sea and lifted on a ship, so that photos could be taken of it. Some people suggest the Mercury teapot dropped down from space. I claim it was Fake News. The Mercury teapot was dropped off from an airplane and then splashed into the ocean below, etc. Very easy to fake as something coming from space higher above.
Here, for your delectation and enjoyment:

The First Results Of Parker Solar Probe's Visits To The Sun, 174,418 views, by Scott Manley
How do you like the 174,418 views in just over one day?

But I hope you take note of the reverse gravity assists to slow the Parker Solar Probe down. Nice bit of orbital mechanics don't you think?

And that Parker Solar Probe probably used radar, including Doppler radar, to check the distance from and velocity relative to Venus. 

Pity you can't even grasp the principle of swapping a bit of momentum with a planet, Venus this time.
Some people are born incapable of understanding things but you seem to have achieved that goal with hard work.

How's that Dunning-Kruger Peak of Mt Stupid feeling today?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 08, 2019, 01:04:45 AM
No, I claim RADAR doesn't work in space. RADAR works only on Earth to spot things on and above Earth. It has nothing to do with radio waves.
Are you seriously claiming that "RADAR . . . . . has nothing to do with radio waves"?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/zyh0m30cwmp77fo/Einstein%20Duh.jpg?dl=1)
The ignorance is strong with this one!

Hm, of course radar uses radio waves but it doesn't work in space, when you try to find the location at 120 000 m altitude to start your re-entry in order to land. And did this Mercury teapot really have a RADAR aboard?
And did the Apollo tin pots have RADAR aboard to return and land on Earth coming from the Moon? Of course not. Dr. Buzz used a sextant ...
Radar only works on Earth, so you can see what happens around you there.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 08, 2019, 01:11:21 AM




       Hahahahaha




Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 08, 2019, 03:49:05 AM
No, I claim RADAR doesn't work in space. RADAR works only on Earth to spot things on and above Earth. It has nothing to do with radio waves.
Are you seriously claiming that "RADAR . . . . . has nothing to do with radio waves"?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/zyh0m30cwmp77fo/Einstein%20Duh.jpg?dl=1)
The ignorance is strong with this one!
Hm, of course radar uses radio waves but it doesn't work in space,
And why wouldn't radar work in space.

Quote from: Heiwa
when you try to find the location at 120 000 m altitude to start your re-entry in order to land. And did this Mercury teapot really have a RADAR aboard?
I believe the Mercury spacecraft relied of ground radar but had active radar transponders on board.


Quote from: Heiwa
And did the Apollo tin pots have RADAR aboard to return and land on Earth coming from the Moon? Of course not. Dr. Buzz used a sextant ...
Just because a special sextant was used does not mean that other navigation methods were not used.
Apollo CMs had rendezvous radar and the LM had a radar altimeter and velocity radar.
And Earth based radar using the "big dishes" could measure distance to and velocity of the Apollo modules very precisely.
Your inability to  understand or refusal to believe them is neither here-nor-there.

Quote from: Heiwa
Radar only works on Earth, so you can see what happens around you there.
What total garbage! Why would radar only work on Earth?
Radar works anywhere you have a direct view of targets within range.

The distance to the Moon and Venus has been measured accurately using radar.
And radar ranging and velocity measurement of distant spacecraft is standard practice.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 08, 2019, 05:18:32 AM
Quote from: Heiwa
It has nothing to do with radio waves.

Quote from: Heiwa
Hm, of course radar uses radio waves

Only geniuses of Heiwa level can understand these paradoxes.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: frenat on December 08, 2019, 05:40:54 AM
So in Heiwa's world, RADAR doesn't exist. That would be the only way they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions". Or the far more likely, heiwa doesn't understand so he assumes it is fake.
Well, RADAR doesn't work in space. Only at sea on Earth ... yes. It is about waves ... But it is OT. Topic is the Mercury teapot that survived a re-entry due to magic aerothermodynamics.
The photos are right. The thing was never in space.
So now you're claiming radio waves can't travel through space? Really? And NO, it is not off topic when YOU make the fallacious claim that they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions." YOU made it the topic. Now you're trying to run away from it with another fallacious claim.
No, I claim RADAR doesn't work in space. RADAR works only on Earth to spot things on and above Earth. It has nothing to do with radio waves. Topic is the Mercury teapot that was floating in the sea and lifted on a ship, so that photos could be taken of it. Some people suggest the Mercury teapot dropped down from space. I claim it was Fake News. The Mercury teapot was dropped off from an airplane and then splashed into the ocean below, etc. Very easy to fake as something coming from space higher above.
RADAR uses radio waves.
It stands for
RAdio
Detection
And
Ranging

Heiwa AGAIN spouting off on something he doesn't understand.

At least you make it easy to see just how much of a fraud/joke you are.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: frenat on December 08, 2019, 05:44:09 AM
No, I claim RADAR doesn't work in space. RADAR works only on Earth to spot things on and above Earth. It has nothing to do with radio waves.
Are you seriously claiming that "RADAR . . . . . has nothing to do with radio waves"?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/zyh0m30cwmp77fo/Einstein%20Duh.jpg?dl=1)
The ignorance is strong with this one!

Hm, of course radar uses radio waves but it doesn't work in space, when you try to find the location at 120 000 m altitude to start your re-entry in order to land. And did this Mercury teapot really have a RADAR aboard?
And did the Apollo tin pots have RADAR aboard to return and land on Earth coming from the Moon? Of course not. Dr. Buzz used a sextant ...
Radar only works on Earth, so you can see what happens around you there.
I don't know if Mercury had RADAR onboard, but Apollo did, used for the rendezvous between spacecraft.  The RADAR in question was operated from the ground, detecting and tracking objects in space. This is something you would know if you had done the slightest bit of research on the subject. But you didn't because you just decided you didn't understand it and didn't bother to actually learn anything.

Just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean everyone else shares your ignorance on the subject.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on December 08, 2019, 05:56:22 AM
No... RADAR stands for

Retarded
Anders
Displays
Asinine
Reasoning


Definitely works in space.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 08, 2019, 05:56:55 AM
So in Heiwa's world, RADAR doesn't exist. That would be the only way they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions". Or the far more likely, heiwa doesn't understand so he assumes it is fake.
Well, RADAR doesn't work in space. Only at sea on Earth ... yes. It is about waves ... But it is OT. Topic is the Mercury teapot that survived a re-entry due to magic aerothermodynamics.
The photos are right. The thing was never in space.
So now you're claiming radio waves can't travel through space? Really? And NO, it is not off topic when YOU make the fallacious claim that they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions." YOU made it the topic. Now you're trying to run away from it with another fallacious claim.
No, I claim RADAR doesn't work in space. RADAR works only on Earth to spot things on and above Earth. It has nothing to do with radio waves. Topic is the Mercury teapot that was floating in the sea and lifted on a ship, so that photos could be taken of it. Some people suggest the Mercury teapot dropped down from space. I claim it was Fake News. The Mercury teapot was dropped off from an airplane and then splashed into the ocean below, etc. Very easy to fake as something coming from space higher above.
RADAR uses radio waves.
It stands for
RAdio
Detection
And
Ranging

Heiwa AGAIN spouting off on something he doesn't understand.

At least you make it easy to see just how much of a fraud/joke you are.

Hm, RADAR only works on Earth. Not in space. To spot things from Earth in space you use various telescopes. Many people think Earth and space are similar but ... they are wrong. If in space you float around in vacuum, while on Earth gravity pulls you down to it. Try to go to the toilet in space, and you will understand. It is easier on Earth. Just aim!
It seems this Mercury teapot had no toilet. And no RADAR.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: frenat on December 08, 2019, 06:49:43 AM
So in Heiwa's world, RADAR doesn't exist. That would be the only way they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions". Or the far more likely, heiwa doesn't understand so he assumes it is fake.
Well, RADAR doesn't work in space. Only at sea on Earth ... yes. It is about waves ... But it is OT. Topic is the Mercury teapot that survived a re-entry due to magic aerothermodynamics.
The photos are right. The thing was never in space.
So now you're claiming radio waves can't travel through space? Really? And NO, it is not off topic when YOU make the fallacious claim that they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions." YOU made it the topic. Now you're trying to run away from it with another fallacious claim.
No, I claim RADAR doesn't work in space. RADAR works only on Earth to spot things on and above Earth. It has nothing to do with radio waves. Topic is the Mercury teapot that was floating in the sea and lifted on a ship, so that photos could be taken of it. Some people suggest the Mercury teapot dropped down from space. I claim it was Fake News. The Mercury teapot was dropped off from an airplane and then splashed into the ocean below, etc. Very easy to fake as something coming from space higher above.
RADAR uses radio waves.
It stands for
RAdio
Detection
And
Ranging

Heiwa AGAIN spouting off on something he doesn't understand.

At least you make it easy to see just how much of a fraud/joke you are.

Hm, RADAR only works on Earth. Not in space. To spot things from Earth in space you use various telescopes. Many people think Earth and space are similar but ... they are wrong. If in space you float around in vacuum, while on Earth gravity pulls you down to it. Try to go to the toilet in space, and you will understand. It is easier on Earth. Just aim!
It seems this Mercury teapot had no toilet. And no RADAR.
You're still wrong, still a troll, and still suffering from Dunning Kruger.  and you seem to have an unhealthy fixation with the bathroom.

You've offered no reasoning why RADAR should only work on Earth, just an assertion. As such it can be dismissed as one of your many unsupported ignorant statements.

but thanks for proving me right about how easy it is to see how much of a fraud/joke you are!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 08, 2019, 10:07:13 AM
Why are we letting Anders hijack yet another thread?
(https://i1.wp.com/www.ipwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/dont-feed-troll.jpg?resize=350%2C346)
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 08, 2019, 10:42:45 AM
So in Heiwa's world, RADAR doesn't exist. That would be the only way they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions". Or the far more likely, heiwa doesn't understand so he assumes it is fake.
Well, RADAR doesn't work in space. Only at sea on Earth ... yes. It is about waves ... But it is OT. Topic is the Mercury teapot that survived a re-entry due to magic aerothermodynamics.
The photos are right. The thing was never in space.
So now you're claiming radio waves can't travel through space? Really? And NO, it is not off topic when YOU make the fallacious claim that they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions." YOU made it the topic. Now you're trying to run away from it with another fallacious claim.
No, I claim RADAR doesn't work in space. RADAR works only on Earth to spot things on and above Earth. It has nothing to do with radio waves. Topic is the Mercury teapot that was floating in the sea and lifted on a ship, so that photos could be taken of it. Some people suggest the Mercury teapot dropped down from space. I claim it was Fake News. The Mercury teapot was dropped off from an airplane and then splashed into the ocean below, etc. Very easy to fake as something coming from space higher above.
RADAR uses radio waves.
It stands for
RAdio
Detection
And
Ranging

Heiwa AGAIN spouting off on something he doesn't understand.

At least you make it easy to see just how much of a fraud/joke you are.

Hm, RADAR only works on Earth. Not in space. To spot things from Earth in space you use various telescopes. Many people think Earth and space are similar but ... they are wrong. If in space you float around in vacuum, while on Earth gravity pulls you down to it. Try to go to the toilet in space, and you will understand. It is easier on Earth. Just aim!
It seems this Mercury teapot had no toilet. And no RADAR.
You're still wrong, still a troll, and still suffering from Dunning Kruger.  and you seem to have an unhealthy fixation with the bathroom.

You've offered no reasoning why RADAR should only work on Earth, just an assertion. As such it can be dismissed as one of your many unsupported ignorant statements.

but thanks for proving me right about how easy it is to see how much of a fraud/joke you are!
Hm, my ships at sea on Earth uses radar all the time. We know where we are and we know what is going on around us thanks to RADAR.
It is different in space. If you are in a spacecraft approaching Earth from the Moon at 11 000 m/s speed to  land, you are going pretty fast. And you have to start at a certain location up at the interface Earth/Space. No RADAR can assist you to find that location. Any RADAR just produce a screen full of clouds.
I pay you €1M if you can prove me wrong. See thread up top!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: frenat on December 08, 2019, 01:39:09 PM
So in Heiwa's world, RADAR doesn't exist. That would be the only way they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions". Or the far more likely, heiwa doesn't understand so he assumes it is fake.
Well, RADAR doesn't work in space. Only at sea on Earth ... yes. It is about waves ... But it is OT. Topic is the Mercury teapot that survived a re-entry due to magic aerothermodynamics.
The photos are right. The thing was never in space.
So now you're claiming radio waves can't travel through space? Really? And NO, it is not off topic when YOU make the fallacious claim that they wouldn't know their "speed, positions, and directions." YOU made it the topic. Now you're trying to run away from it with another fallacious claim.
No, I claim RADAR doesn't work in space. RADAR works only on Earth to spot things on and above Earth. It has nothing to do with radio waves. Topic is the Mercury teapot that was floating in the sea and lifted on a ship, so that photos could be taken of it. Some people suggest the Mercury teapot dropped down from space. I claim it was Fake News. The Mercury teapot was dropped off from an airplane and then splashed into the ocean below, etc. Very easy to fake as something coming from space higher above.
RADAR uses radio waves.
It stands for
RAdio
Detection
And
Ranging

Heiwa AGAIN spouting off on something he doesn't understand.

At least you make it easy to see just how much of a fraud/joke you are.

Hm, RADAR only works on Earth. Not in space. To spot things from Earth in space you use various telescopes. Many people think Earth and space are similar but ... they are wrong. If in space you float around in vacuum, while on Earth gravity pulls you down to it. Try to go to the toilet in space, and you will understand. It is easier on Earth. Just aim!
It seems this Mercury teapot had no toilet. And no RADAR.
You're still wrong, still a troll, and still suffering from Dunning Kruger.  and you seem to have an unhealthy fixation with the bathroom.

You've offered no reasoning why RADAR should only work on Earth, just an assertion. As such it can be dismissed as one of your many unsupported ignorant statements.

but thanks for proving me right about how easy it is to see how much of a fraud/joke you are!
Hm, my ships at sea on Earth uses radar all the time. We know where we are and we know what is going on around us thanks to RADAR.
It is different in space. If you are in a spacecraft approaching Earth from the Moon at 11 000 m/s speed to  land, you are going pretty fast. And you have to start at a certain location up at the interface Earth/Space. No RADAR can assist you to find that location. Any RADAR just produce a screen full of clouds.
I pay you €1M if you can prove me wrong. See thread up top!
You pay nobody because you've shown before that you move the goalposts when you get the answer and you don't understand the subject anyway. Plus you have admitted that your "challenge" isn't real anyway. Plus your fake "challenge" does not involve RADAR which DOES work in space. You still have not shown otherwise. STILL just another unsupported assertion from you. You're still just a troll and STILL proving me right about how easy it is to see how much a fraud/joke you are.

The only reason you're even on this thread is you got bored in your other thread because nobody posted there for a while so you decided to shitpost in this one too.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 08, 2019, 02:47:19 PM
You're still wrong, still a troll, and still suffering from Dunning Kruger.  and you seem to have an unhealthy fixation with the bathroom.

You've offered no reasoning why RADAR should only work on Earth, just an assertion. As such it can be dismissed as one of your many unsupported ignorant statements.

but thanks for proving me right about how easy it is to see how much of a fraud/joke you are!
Hm, my ships at sea on Earth uses radar all the time. We know where we are and we know what is going on around us thanks to RADAR.
Irrelevant, unless your targets have active transponders and your ships have radar dishes like these antennae used by NASA fro the Apollo missions:
(https://images.theconversation.com/files/283825/original/file-20190712-173376-void0i.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=754&h=628&fit=crop&dpr=1)
26-metre dish, NASA’s prime antenna in at Australia
for the Apollo missions
        (https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/other_stations/carnarvon/Alan_Gilham/images/2_CRO_USBantenna3.jpg)
9 metre Apollo USB antenna at Carnarvon, WA.
        (https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/images/other_stations/carnarvon/John_Sharples/R&RR_VHF_antenna_sm.jpg)
VHF Range and Range Rate antenna at Carnarvon, WA.

How many of your ships have antennas like these?

Quote from: Heiwa
It is different in space. If you are in a spacecraft approaching Earth from the Moon at 11 000 m/s speed to land, you are going pretty fast.
Sure "you are going pretty fast"! So what? Radio signals travel at almost 300,000,000 m/s.
Quote from: Heiwa
And you have to start at a certain location up at the interface Earth/Space. No RADAR can assist you to find that location. Any RADAR just produce a screen full of clouds.
You have never given any explanation of why you claim that "No RADAR can assist you to find that location".
It was wrong and still is wrong, so what about it? Put up a logical explanation or just be quiet on the matter!

But it's total utter garbage! Whyever would "Any RADAR just produce a screen full of clouds"?
In case you hadn't heard, radar penetrates clouds quite well but can be blocked by heavy rain.

I really don't know why you insist on repeatedly confirming your abject ignorance of anything to do with orbital mechanics, spacecraft navigation, atmospheric re-entry and a numerous list of other things.

Is the humiliation worth the extra traffic on your scam website that simply expands on your abject ignorance of anything to do with orbital mechanics, spacecraft navigation, atmospheric re-entry and a numerous list of other things.

I do hope you enjoyed that video on the Parker Solar Probe ::) at: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery « Reply #40 on: December 08, 2019, 04:06:23 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82181.msg2221858#msg2221858).
The trajectory is such a nice example of use Venus fly-bys to slow the craft down instead of the usual "gravity assist".

But all this simply boils down to your own delusion that if you can't understand something then it must be impossible - not so!
You're just another pathetic case of that dreaded incurable Chronic Dunning-Kruger Syndrome. It seems common among conspiritards, I wonder wht?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 08, 2019, 07:23:52 PM
You're still wrong, still a troll, and still suffering from Dunning Kruger.  and you seem to have an unhealthy fixation with the bathroom.

You've offered no reasoning why RADAR should only work on Earth, just an assertion. As such it can be dismissed as one of your many unsupported ignorant statements.

but thanks for proving me right about how easy it is to see how much of a fraud/joke you are!
Hm, my ships at sea on Earth uses radar all the time. We know where we are and we know what is going on around us thanks to RADAR.
Irrelevant, unless your targets have active transponders and your ships have radar dishes like these antennae used by NASA fro the Apollo missions:
(https://images.theconversation.com/files/283825/original/file-20190712-173376-void0i.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=754&h=628&fit=crop&dpr=1)
26-metre dish, NASA’s prime antenna in at Australia
for the Apollo missions
        (https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/other_stations/carnarvon/Alan_Gilham/images/2_CRO_USBantenna3.jpg)
9 metre Apollo USB antenna at Carnarvon, WA.
        (https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/images/other_stations/carnarvon/John_Sharples/R&RR_VHF_antenna_sm.jpg)
VHF Range and Range Rate antenna at Carnarvon, WA.

How many of your ships have antennas like these?

Quote from: Heiwa
It is different in space. If you are in a spacecraft approaching Earth from the Moon at 11 000 m/s speed to land, you are going pretty fast.
Sure "you are going pretty fast"! So what? Radio signals travel at almost 300,000,000 m/s.
Quote from: Heiwa
And you have to start at a certain location up at the interface Earth/Space. No RADAR can assist you to find that location. Any RADAR just produce a screen full of clouds.
You have never given any explanation of why you claim that "No RADAR can assist you to find that location".
It was wrong and still is wrong, so what about it? Put up a logical explanation or just be quiet on the matter!

But it's total utter garbage! Whyever would "Any RADAR just produce a screen full of clouds"?
In case you hadn't heard, radar penetrates clouds quite well but can be blocked by heavy rain.

I really don't know why you insist on repeatedly confirming your abject ignorance of anything to do with orbital mechanics, spacecraft navigation, atmospheric re-entry and a numerous list of other things.

Is the humiliation worth the extra traffic on your scam website that simply expands on your abject ignorance of anything to do with orbital mechanics, spacecraft navigation, atmospheric re-entry and a numerous list of other things.

I do hope you enjoyed that video on the Parker Solar Probe ::) at: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery « Reply #40 on: December 08, 2019, 04:06:23 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82181.msg2221858#msg2221858).
The trajectory is such a nice example of use Venus fly-bys to slow the craft down instead of the usual "gravity assist".

But all this simply boils down to your own delusion that if you can't understand something then it must be impossible - not so!
You're just another pathetic case of that dreaded incurable Chronic Dunning-Kruger Syndrome. It seems common among conspiritards, I wonder wht?

Please, do not change the topic, which is RADAR fitted on or used by spacecrafts, so the spacecraft pilot can find the location in the upper atmosphere at >100 000 m altitude to start a re-entry at high speed and finish in a soft landing on Earth (e.g. in the Atlantic or Pacific oceans) in front of the US Navy.
Do they use RADAR to avoid colliding with birds up there? Or other spacecrafts?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 08, 2019, 07:30:22 PM
Please, do not change the topic, which is RADAR fitted on or used by spacecrafts.
No, the topic is "Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery".
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 08, 2019, 10:51:42 PM
Please, do not change the topic, which is RADAR fitted on or used by spacecrafts.
No, the topic is "Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery".
Yes, and no RADAR is seen on the Mercury teapot.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2019, 12:50:13 AM
Please, do not change the topic, which is RADAR fitted on or used by spacecrafts.
No, the topic is "Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery".
Yes, and no RADAR is seen on the Mercury teapot Spacecraft.
Why should there  be?
Quote
To provide mission support, the equipment of the network had to provide the following major functions:
(1) Ground radar tracking of the spacecraft and transmission of the radar data to the Goddard computers
(2) Launch, orbital, and reentry computations during the flight with real- time display data being transmitted to Mercury Control Center ( MCC )
(3) Real-time telemetry display data at the sites
(4) Command capability at various stations for controlling specific spacecraft functions from the ground
(5) Voice communications between the spacecraft and the ground, and maintenance of a network for voice, teletype, and radar data communications.
Here watch this and you might learn about yourself:

The Dunning-Kruger Effect - Cognitive Bias - Why Incompetent People Think They Are Competent by After Skool

Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 09, 2019, 02:26:06 AM
Troll deployment successful.

Dont mix up Marine Radar and Radar, RADAR is not used for navigation.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 09, 2019, 02:38:51 AM
Please, do not change the topic, which is RADAR fitted on or used by spacecrafts.
No, the topic is "Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery".
Yes, and no RADAR is seen on the Mercury teapot Spacecraft.
Why should there  be?
Quote
To provide mission support, the equipment of the network had to provide the following major functions:
(1) Ground radar tracking of the spacecraft and transmission of the radar data to the Goddard computers
(2) Launch, orbital, and reentry computations during the flight with real- time display data being transmitted to Mercury Control Center ( MCC )
(3) Real-time telemetry display data at the sites
(4) Command capability at various stations for controlling specific spacecraft functions from the ground
(5) Voice communications between the spacecraft and the ground, and maintenance of a network for voice, teletype, and radar data communications.
Here watch this and you might learn about yourself:

The Dunning-Kruger Effect - Cognitive Bias - Why Incompetent People Think They Are Competent by After Skool

The Mercury 8 pilot - better forgotten - had to land on Earth after he had been catapulted into space by an Atlas rocket and had to steer his teapot back to Earth. So he had a RADAR. Or not. Anyway, the teapot - topic - was saved from sinking in the sea. And photos were taken. The pilot? Just a cheap actor of no value. And the RADAR? Top secret military nonsense. It is so funny.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 09, 2019, 02:43:17 AM
Please, do not change the topic, which is RADAR fitted on or used by spacecrafts.
No, the topic is "Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery".
Yes, and no RADAR is seen on the Mercury teapot Spacecraft.
Why should there  be?
Quote
To provide mission support, the equipment of the network had to provide the following major functions:
(1) Ground radar tracking of the spacecraft and transmission of the radar data to the Goddard computers
(2) Launch, orbital, and reentry computations during the flight with real- time display data being transmitted to Mercury Control Center ( MCC )
(3) Real-time telemetry display data at the sites
(4) Command capability at various stations for controlling specific spacecraft functions from the ground
(5) Voice communications between the spacecraft and the ground, and maintenance of a network for voice, teletype, and radar data communications.
Here watch this and you might learn about yourself:

The Dunning-Kruger Effect - Cognitive Bias - Why Incompetent People Think They Are Competent by After Skool

The Mercury 8 pilot - better forgotten - had to land on Earth after he had been catapulted into space by an Atlas rocket and had to steer his teapot back to Earth. So he had a RADAR. Or not. Anyway, the teapot - topic - was saved from sinking in the sea. And photos were taken. The pilot? Just a cheap actor of no value. And the RADAR? Top secret military nonsense. It is so funny.

Assuming you are a maritime expert, you should know that Marine Radar and Radar are different systems, Radar is not used for navigation, in aircraft or space craft.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2019, 02:53:48 AM
Here watch this and you might learn about yourself:

The Dunning-Kruger Effect - Cognitive Bias - Why Incompetent People Think They Are Competent by After Skool

The Mercury 8 pilot - better forgotten - had to land on Earth after he had been catapulted into space by an Atlas rocket and had to steer his teapot back to Earth. So he had a RADAR. Or not. Anyway, the teapot - topic - was saved from sinking in the sea. And photos were taken. The pilot? Just a cheap actor of no value. And the RADAR? Top secret military nonsense. It is so funny.
So you say! But what you say and reality have never been intruduced. 
But no, the Mercury Spacecraft did not have on board radar but it was tracked by NASA's tracking network. Can't you read plain English?

I guess not so you have to write you own fairy stories. You might from Sweden but you'd give Hansen Christian Anderson  at that entering.

But we know that you're really just a useless troll.

I hope you enjoyed that video ;). Bye.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: frenat on December 09, 2019, 05:31:58 AM
You're still wrong, still a troll, and still suffering from Dunning Kruger.  and you seem to have an unhealthy fixation with the bathroom.

You've offered no reasoning why RADAR should only work on Earth, just an assertion. As such it can be dismissed as one of your many unsupported ignorant statements.

but thanks for proving me right about how easy it is to see how much of a fraud/joke you are!
Hm, my ships at sea on Earth uses radar all the time. We know where we are and we know what is going on around us thanks to RADAR.
Irrelevant, unless your targets have active transponders and your ships have radar dishes like these antennae used by NASA fro the Apollo missions:
(https://images.theconversation.com/files/283825/original/file-20190712-173376-void0i.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=754&h=628&fit=crop&dpr=1)
26-metre dish, NASA’s prime antenna in at Australia
for the Apollo missions
        (https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/other_stations/carnarvon/Alan_Gilham/images/2_CRO_USBantenna3.jpg)
9 metre Apollo USB antenna at Carnarvon, WA.
        (https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/images/other_stations/carnarvon/John_Sharples/R&RR_VHF_antenna_sm.jpg)
VHF Range and Range Rate antenna at Carnarvon, WA.

How many of your ships have antennas like these?

Quote from: Heiwa
It is different in space. If you are in a spacecraft approaching Earth from the Moon at 11 000 m/s speed to land, you are going pretty fast.
Sure "you are going pretty fast"! So what? Radio signals travel at almost 300,000,000 m/s.
Quote from: Heiwa
And you have to start at a certain location up at the interface Earth/Space. No RADAR can assist you to find that location. Any RADAR just produce a screen full of clouds.
You have never given any explanation of why you claim that "No RADAR can assist you to find that location".
It was wrong and still is wrong, so what about it? Put up a logical explanation or just be quiet on the matter!

But it's total utter garbage! Whyever would "Any RADAR just produce a screen full of clouds"?
In case you hadn't heard, radar penetrates clouds quite well but can be blocked by heavy rain.

I really don't know why you insist on repeatedly confirming your abject ignorance of anything to do with orbital mechanics, spacecraft navigation, atmospheric re-entry and a numerous list of other things.

Is the humiliation worth the extra traffic on your scam website that simply expands on your abject ignorance of anything to do with orbital mechanics, spacecraft navigation, atmospheric re-entry and a numerous list of other things.

I do hope you enjoyed that video on the Parker Solar Probe ::) at: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery « Reply #40 on: December 08, 2019, 04:06:23 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82181.msg2221858#msg2221858).
The trajectory is such a nice example of use Venus fly-bys to slow the craft down instead of the usual "gravity assist".

But all this simply boils down to your own delusion that if you can't understand something then it must be impossible - not so!
You're just another pathetic case of that dreaded incurable Chronic Dunning-Kruger Syndrome. It seems common among conspiritards, I wonder wht?

Please, do not change the topic, which is RADAR fitted on or used by spacecrafts, so the spacecraft pilot can find the location in the upper atmosphere at >100 000 m altitude to start a re-entry at high speed and finish in a soft landing on Earth (e.g. in the Atlantic or Pacific oceans) in front of the US Navy.
Do they use RADAR to avoid colliding with birds up there? Or other spacecrafts?
and you missed the point. RADAR was and is used on spacecrafts for rendezvous but they also use RADAR from Earth to get the "speed, positions, and directions" of spacecraft to assist in maneuvers and reentry. That you don't know this shows your LACK of research.

And you STILL have not provided any reason why RADAR should not work in space.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 09, 2019, 06:32:07 AM
Here watch this and you might learn about yourself:

The Dunning-Kruger Effect - Cognitive Bias - Why Incompetent People Think They Are Competent by After Skool

The Mercury 8 pilot - better forgotten - had to land on Earth after he had been catapulted into space by an Atlas rocket and had to steer his teapot back to Earth. So he had a RADAR. Or not. Anyway, the teapot - topic - was saved from sinking in the sea. And photos were taken. The pilot? Just a cheap actor of no value. And the RADAR? Top secret military nonsense. It is so funny.
So you say! But what you say and reality have never been intruduced. 
But no, the Mercury Spacecraft did not have on board radar but it was tracked by NASA's tracking network. Can't you read plain English?

I guess not so you have to write you own fairy stories. You might from Sweden but you'd give Hansen Christian Anderson  at that entering.

But we know that you're really just a useless troll.

I hope you enjoyed that video ;). Bye.

So the Mercury spacecraft had no RADAR but was tracked by some ground network. But how did the Mercury pilot John Glenn know where to dip into the atmosphere, do a re-entry in the right direction and land at ground zero in the Atlantic? If he missed that start location up in the sky over California he would land miles away or hit some mountain side. We are also told that during re-entry communications are cut due to spacecraft heating up the surroundings. Let's face it - all nonsense about NASA spacecraft landings is FAKE NEWS. It never happened. I explain why at http://heiwaco.com/moontravelw1.htm#19 .
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Denspressure on December 09, 2019, 07:57:39 AM
Sorry Heiwa, this thread is to celebrate history. Not your absolute nonsense.

Regards.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 09, 2019, 08:09:27 AM
Sorry Heiwa, this thread is to celebrate history. Not your absolute nonsense.

Regards.

This 😁


Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2019, 02:11:17 PM
So the Mercury spacecraft had no RADAR but was tracked by some ground network. But how did the Mercury pilot John Glenn know where to dip into the atmosphere, do a re-entry in the right direction and land at ground zero in the Atlantic?
Maybe he was told the exact time to take the various steps needed. But what good would an on-board radar do?
Ships don't navigate when out in the open ocean using radar!

Just because you are not able to understand these things means nothing. You seem to understand nothing, not even navigation over the ocean.

Do your own research!
I'm you'll find that every detail is in the hundreds of pages of the various NASA reports.

But you are proving that you really are the poster-child for the classic Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.
Doesn't it get a might uncomfortable or have you become so accustomed to sitting on the peak of Mt  Stupid that it's become the norm?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 09, 2019, 05:26:09 PM
So the Mercury spacecraft had no RADAR but was tracked by some ground network. But how did the Mercury pilot John Glenn know where to dip into the atmosphere, do a re-entry in the right direction and land at ground zero in the Atlantic?
Maybe he was told the exact time to take the various steps needed. But what good would an on-board radar do?
Ships don't navigate when out in the open ocean using radar!

Just because you are not able to understand these things means nothing. You seem to understand nothing, not even navigation over the ocean.

Do your own research!
I'm you'll find that every detail is in the hundreds of pages of the various NASA reports.

But you are proving that you really are the poster-child for the classic Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.
Doesn't it get a might uncomfortable or have you become so accustomed to sitting on the peak of Mt  Stupid that it's become the norm?
Well, fact is that my ships has several RADARS aboard and use them all the time for safe navigation. Have you been to sea?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2019, 06:41:07 PM
Well, fact is that my ships has several RADARS aboard and use them all the time for safe navigation. Have you been to sea?
But how do those ships use their radar?
For navigation in the open ocean or for the detecting of unexpected obstacles especially in port approaches and in confined channels.

Navigation in space is more like navigation in the open ocean where onboard radar would tell you nothing except the height above Earth.
On the other hand ground-based radar with on-board active transponders can get precise position and velocity information.

I assume you have read and understood all of this: MERCURY PROJECT SUMMARY (NASA SP-45), 8. WORLDWIDE NETWORK SUPPORT (https://history.nasa.gov/SP-45/ch8.htm).
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 09, 2019, 09:06:37 PM
Well, fact is that my ships has several RADARS aboard and use them all the time for safe navigation. Have you been to sea?
But how do those ships use their radar?
For navigation in the open ocean or for the detecting of unexpected obstacles especially in port approaches and in confined channels.

Navigation in space is more like navigation in the open ocean where onboard radar would tell you nothing except the height above Earth.
On the other hand ground-based radar with on-board active transponders can get precise position and velocity information.

I assume you have read and understood all of this: MERCURY PROJECT SUMMARY (NASA SP-45), 8. WORLDWIDE NETWORK SUPPORT (https://history.nasa.gov/SP-45/ch8.htm).
Radar on ships at sea work all the time to so you know what happens around you in the interface water/air. You can also have a sonar that keeps track of what happens below the interface. Similar principles.

Radar on spacecrafts do not work at all, as space is 3D and infinitely large. No radar can keep track of it.

You sound like never have been to sea.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 10, 2019, 12:18:37 AM
Well, fact is that my ships has several RADARS aboard and use them all the time for safe navigation. Have you been to sea?
But how do those ships use their radar?
For navigation in the open ocean or for the detecting of unexpected obstacles especially in port approaches and in confined channels.

Navigation in space is more like navigation in the open ocean where onboard radar would tell you nothing except the height above Earth.
On the other hand ground-based radar with on-board active transponders can get precise position and velocity information.

I assume you have read and understood all of this: MERCURY PROJECT SUMMARY (NASA SP-45), 8. WORLDWIDE NETWORK SUPPORT (https://history.nasa.gov/SP-45/ch8.htm).
Radar on ships at sea work all the time to so you know what happens around you in the interface water/air. You can also have a sonar that keeps track of what happens below the interface. Similar principles.

Radar on spacecrafts do not work at all, as space is 3D and infinitely large. No radar can keep track of it.

You sound like never have been to sea.

Third time, maritime radar is completely different to radar.

Radar is not used for navigation in aircraft or spacecraft.

As a maritime professional how do you not know this?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 10, 2019, 03:32:01 AM
Well, fact is that my ships has several RADARS aboard and use them all the time for safe navigation. Have you been to sea?
But how do those ships use their radar?
For navigation in the open ocean or for the detecting of unexpected obstacles especially in port approaches and in confined channels.

Navigation in space is more like navigation in the open ocean where onboard radar would tell you nothing except the height above Earth.
On the other hand ground-based radar with on-board active transponders can get precise position and velocity information.

I assume you have read and understood all of this: MERCURY PROJECT SUMMARY (NASA SP-45), 8. WORLDWIDE NETWORK SUPPORT (https://history.nasa.gov/SP-45/ch8.htm).
Radar on ships at sea work all the time to so you know what happens around you in the interface water/air. You can also have a sonar that keeps track of what happens below the interface. Similar principles.

Radar on spacecrafts do not work at all, as space is 3D and infinitely large. No radar can keep track of it.

You sound like never have been to sea.

Third time, maritime radar is completely different to radar.

Radar is not used for navigation in aircraft or spacecraft.

As a maritime professional how do you not know this?

?? Sorry I do not understand you. Are you drunk?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 10, 2019, 03:33:14 AM

Third time, maritime radar is completely different to radar.

RADAR, no mater which way it is pointed, is RADAR.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 10, 2019, 03:36:05 AM

Third time, maritime radar is completely different to radar.

RADAR, no mater which way it is pointed, is RADAR.

? Are you drunk?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 10, 2019, 03:43:25 AM
A knife is a knife whether you are cutting a steak or shiving your cellmate.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 10, 2019, 04:20:52 AM
Third time, maritime radar is completely different to radar.

Radar is not used for navigation in aircraft or spacecraft.

As a maritime professional how do you not know this?

?? Sorry I do not understand you. Are you drunk?
Exactly what is wrong with what mak3m said? If you can't follow that YOU must be drunk!

Some spacecraft, such as the Gemini had radar to assist in rendezvous manoeuvers but onboard radar is of little use otherwise.
RADAR IN SPACE: THE GEMINI RENDEZVOUS RADAR by Dan Maloney (https://hackaday.com/2018/07/26/radar-in-space-the-gemini-rendezvous-radar/)

The Apollo LM have lunar landing radar and seem to have rendezvous radar:
APOLLO EXPERIENCE REPORT - LUNAR MODULE LANDING RADAR AND RENDEZVOUS RADAR (https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/ApolloLMRadarTND6849.pdf)
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 10, 2019, 05:11:57 AM

Third time, maritime radar is completely different to radar.

RADAR, no mater which way it is pointed, is RADAR.

Except marine radar is completley different to radar.

A marine radar uses to specific band widths to create a wide area, ie 360, image a small distance around a vessel, linked to gps, sonar and radio systems used in a navigation system that can detect other ships and land mass, above and below sea level.

Radar is a system to monitor a wide area, actual wide area , is used to control airspace measure long range distances etc.

Anyone who knew anything about maritime issues would not suggest that an aircraft or spacecraft had a radar navigation system.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 10, 2019, 05:14:06 AM
A knife is a knife whether you are cutting a steak or shiving your cellmate.

I take your point but you wouldn't butter a scone with a samurai sword
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 10, 2019, 06:40:37 AM

Third time, maritime radar is completely different to radar.

RADAR, no mater which way it is pointed, is RADAR.

Except marine radar is completley different to radar.

A marine radar uses to specific band widths to create a wide area, ie 360, image a small distance around a vessel, linked to gps, sonar and radio systems used in a navigation system that can detect other ships and land mass, above and below sea level.

Radar is a system to monitor a wide area, actual wide area , is used to control airspace measure long range distances etc.

Anyone who knew anything about maritime issues would not suggest that an aircraft or spacecraft had a radar navigation system.
So you're saying that maritime radar is a specialized application of radar?  Yes, we already knew that.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 10, 2019, 06:48:25 AM

Third time, maritime radar is completely different to radar.

RADAR, no mater which way it is pointed, is RADAR.

Except marine radar is completley different to radar.

A marine radar uses to specific band widths to create a wide area, ie 360, image a small distance around a vessel, linked to gps, sonar and radio systems used in a navigation system that can detect other ships and land mass, above and below sea level.

Radar is a system to monitor a wide area, actual wide area , is used to control airspace measure long range distances etc.

Anyone who knew anything about maritime issues would not suggest that an aircraft or spacecraft had a radar navigation system.
So you're saying that maritime radar is a specialized application of radar?  Yes, we already knew that.

Really so why was Heiwa questioning why it wasn't used on the Mercury capsule for navigation purposes?

 ::)
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 10, 2019, 09:23:23 AM

Third time, maritime radar is completely different to radar.

RADAR, no mater which way it is pointed, is RADAR.

Except marine radar is completley different to radar.

A marine radar uses to specific band widths to create a wide area, ie 360, image a small distance around a vessel, linked to gps, sonar and radio systems used in a navigation system that can detect other ships and land mass, above and below sea level.

Radar is a system to monitor a wide area, actual wide area , is used to control airspace measure long range distances etc.

Anyone who knew anything about maritime issues would not suggest that an aircraft or spacecraft had a radar navigation system.
So you're saying that maritime radar is a specialized application of radar?  Yes, we already knew that.
No, I just say that radars are fitted on ships sailing the seas. Radars are also fitted on shore. But they only work on Earth in the atmosphere, when the weather is good. Radars do not work in vacuum 3D space.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: frenat on December 10, 2019, 09:24:37 AM

Third time, maritime radar is completely different to radar.

RADAR, no mater which way it is pointed, is RADAR.

Except marine radar is completley different to radar.

A marine radar uses to specific band widths to create a wide area, ie 360, image a small distance around a vessel, linked to gps, sonar and radio systems used in a navigation system that can detect other ships and land mass, above and below sea level.

Radar is a system to monitor a wide area, actual wide area , is used to control airspace measure long range distances etc.

Anyone who knew anything about maritime issues would not suggest that an aircraft or spacecraft had a radar navigation system.
So you're saying that maritime radar is a specialized application of radar?  Yes, we already knew that.
No, I just say that radars are fitted on ships sailing the seas. Radars are also fitted on shore. But they only work on Earth in the atmosphere, when the weather is good. Radars do not work in vacuum 3D space.

More LIES from Heiwa.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 10, 2019, 09:58:41 AM
No, I just say that radars are fitted on ships sailing the seas. Radars are also fitted on shore. But they only work on Earth in the atmosphere, when the weather is good. Radars do not work in vacuum 3D space.
Maritime radar is usually used for collision avoidance.  Radar in spacecraft is usually used for rendezvous, docking or landing assistance.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 10, 2019, 02:06:24 PM
So you're saying that maritime radar is a specialized application of radar?  Yes, we already knew that.

Really so why was Heiwa questioning why it wasn't used on the Mercury capsule for navigation purposes?

 ::)
Easy:
Heiwa might understand marine engineering but he seems to understand virtually nothing else.
But, like anyone with the extreme form of the Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, he thinks that he should be able to understand everything else.

As a result when there's something he cannot understand he "naturally ::)" assumes it impossible - hence his perennial cry of FAKE NEWS!

Contrast this with one like Einstein who said 'The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.'

Heiwa might not be young but this quote from Oscar Wilde seems apt not only for Heiwa but many flat-Earthers: "I am not young enough to know everything" you are "young enough to know everything"!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 10, 2019, 02:19:32 PM
Radars do not work in vacuum 3D space.
Why would radar "not work in vacuum 3D space"?

The distance to the Moon and Venus was measure very accurately by radar, with error about 1 part in 108 for Venus, before 1965.

So, Mr "Heiwa" you are Parler avec votre chapeau, comme d'habitude!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Denspressure on December 12, 2019, 12:41:59 PM
I have got good news!


National Geographic is working on a new documentary about the Mercury program, and they have interest in the 35 mm and 8 mm material shown here.

So maybe these beautiful images can be seen by hundreds of thousands of people!

All this is of course discussed with Jack and his family.


It's all very exciting ^^

Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Yes on December 12, 2019, 12:50:20 PM
Wow!  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 12, 2019, 01:12:25 PM
Nice one  ;D
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 14, 2019, 01:02:41 AM
I have got good news!


National Geographic is working on a new documentary about the Mercury program, and they have interest in the 35 mm and 8 mm material shown here.

So maybe these beautiful images can be seen by hundreds of thousands of people!

All this is of course discussed with Jack and his family.


It's all very exciting ^^
Yes, I remember the Mercury flights 1958/63. They were designed to be controlled from the ground via a Manned Space Flight Network, a system of tracking and communications stations but back-up controls were also outfitted on board the tin teapot. What these onboard controls were, nobody knows. Top secret! National security, you know! Small retrorockets were finally used to bring the spacecraft out of its orbits around Earth to dip into the atmosphere to land. There  an ablative heat shield protected it from the heat of atmospheric reentry. Finally, a parachute slowed the spacecraft for a water landing. Both astronaut and capsule were recovered by helicopters deployed from a US Navy ship. But how the reentry was done, nobody knows. I really hope National Geographic will find out. I, of course, consider the whole space project Fake News!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 14, 2019, 01:57:30 AM
Yes, I remember the Mercury flights 1958/63. They were designed to be controlled from the ground via a Manned Space Flight Network, a system of tracking and communications stations but back-up controls were also outfitted on board the tin teapot. What these onboard controls were, nobody knows. Top secret! National security, you know!
What garbage ignorant people write!

Have you bothered to read this:
Quote from: Robert B. Voas, NASA MANNED SPACECRAFT CENTER
Manual control of the Mercury spacecraft (http://web.mit.edu/digitalapollo/Documents/Chapter4/manualcontrol.pdf)
The Astronaut will manually control Mercury as a normal part of his flight program and may explore his capabilities in manual control of spacecraft through several critical maneuvers.

Quote from: Heiwa
Small retrorockets were finally used to bring the spacecraft out of its orbits around Earth to dip into the atmosphere to land. There  an ablative heat shield protected it from the heat of atmospheric reentry. Finally, a parachute slowed the spacecraft for a water landing. Both astronaut and capsule were recovered by helicopters deployed from a US Navy ship. But how the reentry was done, nobody knows.
Incorrect! Just because you are ignorant does not mean that "nobody knows" "how the reentry was done".
You could, of course read Reentry Vehicles: Spheres vs. Blunt Bodies (https://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4209/ch3-4.htm) and other material published on atmospheric re-entry.
I guess you won't because you relish your ignorance too much

Quote from: Heiwa
I really hope National Geographic will find out.
I imagine that they already know far more than you but they do their research and you just sit back in your rocker squawking "Fake, Fake, Fake" like a demented Cockatoo!

Quote from: Heiwa
I, of course, consider the whole space project Fake News!
Yes, we know that anything your poor brain can't understand must be Fake News.

<< Corrected url of Manual control of the Mercury spacecraft >>
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 14, 2019, 06:27:03 AM
Yes, I remember the Mercury flights 1958/63. They were designed to be controlled from the ground via a Manned Space Flight Network, a system of tracking and communications stations but back-up controls were also outfitted on board the tin teapot. What these onboard controls were, nobody knows. Top secret! National security, you know!
What garbage ignorant people write!

Have you bothered to read this:
Quote from: Robert B. Voas, NASA MANNED SPACECRAFT CENTER
Manual control of the Mercury spacecraft (http://web.mit.edu/digitalapollo/Documents/Chapter4/manualcontrol.pdf&)
The Astronaut will manually control Mercury as a normal part of his flight program and may explore his capabilities in manual control of spacecraft through several critical maneuvers.
The link doesn't work, but, I know that the pilot had 120 controls: 55 electrical switches, 30 fuses and 35 mechanical levers to look after. There was also a control stick.

Once in orbit, it was however not possible for the pilot to change the trajectory except by initiating re-entry. All was automatic, according NASA. No critical maneuvers to do. No switches to switch, no fuses to fix and no mechanical levers to operate. You should wonder what clowns had designed this spacecraft without wings with all these 'controls'.

You can visit the Mercury capsule at a museum Washington DC and verify that the controls didn't work at all. I hope National Geographic does it.

Maybe NASA faked the flights because Earth is flat? You cannot orbit a flat Earth.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 14, 2019, 07:33:44 AM
Plenty to play with in there

https://images.app.goo.gl/ApMZQzovgjVjWRiS6
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 14, 2019, 02:43:12 PM
Yes, I remember the Mercury flights 1958/63. They were designed to be controlled from the ground via a Manned Space Flight Network, a system of tracking and communications stations but back-up controls were also outfitted on board the tin teapot. What these onboard controls were, nobody knows. Top secret! National security, you know!
What garbage ignorant people write!

Have you bothered to read this:
Quote from: Robert B. Voas, NASA MANNED SPACECRAFT CENTER
Manual control of the Mercury spacecraft (http://web.mit.edu/digitalapollo/Documents/Chapter4/manualcontrol.pdf)
The Astronaut will manually control Mercury as a normal part of his flight program and may explore his capabilities in manual control of spacecraft through several critical maneuvers.
The link doesn't work.
Sorry about that, I'd left a spurious "&" in the url.
Surely you could have done a Google search on "Robert B. Voas, NASA MANNED SPACECRAFT CENTER Manual control of the Mercury spacecraft" or is your Google broken.

But it's fixed.

The link to Reentry Vehicles: Spheres vs. Blunt Bodies (https://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4209/ch3-4.htm) was not broken so I hope you now understand atmospheric re-entry.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 15, 2019, 01:10:25 AM
A knife is a knife whether you are cutting a steak or shiving your cellmate.

I take your point but you wouldn't butter a scone with a samurai sword

not AGAIN !!!!!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 15, 2019, 01:13:33 AM
No, I just say that radars are fitted on ships sailing the seas. Radars are also fitted on shore. But they only work on Earth in the atmosphere, when the weather is good. Radars do not work in vacuum 3D space.
Maritime radar is usually used for collision avoidance.  Radar in spacecraft is usually used for rendezvous, docking or landing assistance.

Sooooo, collision avoidance.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 15, 2019, 02:23:19 AM
Maritime radar is usually used for collision avoidance.  Radar in spacecraft is usually used for rendezvous, docking or landing assistance.

Sooooo, collision avoidance.
Not quite.
A rendezvous and docking could be called a controlled collision with another spacecraft.
A landing could be called a controlled collision with a moon or asreroid.
So in both cases the radar is assisting a controlled collision ;D.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 15, 2019, 02:27:12 AM
RADAR is an electromagnetic echo machine,
even if it's stuffed up your butt.

Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 15, 2019, 03:05:28 AM
RADAR is an electromagnetic echo machine,
even if it's stuffed up your butt.
I guess so but it's an ultrasonic echo machine in the latter case ???.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 15, 2019, 03:13:33 AM
RADAR is an electromagnetic echo machine,
even if it's stuffed up your butt.
I guess so but it's an ultrasonic echo machine in the latter case ???.

Or worse.   :o
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 17, 2019, 06:55:28 AM
Plenty to play with in there

https://images.app.goo.gl/ApMZQzovgjVjWRiS6

And the pilot was flying backwards all the time! And when a fuse blow, he had to go somewhere to fix it.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 17, 2019, 08:48:30 AM
Plenty to play with in there

https://images.app.goo.gl/ApMZQzovgjVjWRiS6

And the pilot was flying backwards all the time! And when a fuse blow, he had to go somewhere to fix it.

No?

There was a flight computer, there was fuel for automatic manoeuvres, and a separate supply of fuel for the astronauts to manually correct and fly the capsule. The astronauts were fixed in place in a moulded seat. The capsule was developed in hand with the mercury 7, the USA's first group of astronauts, who insisted on manual controls and windows.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 17, 2019, 09:50:24 AM
Plenty to play with in there

https://images.app.goo.gl/ApMZQzovgjVjWRiS6

And the pilot was flying backwards all the time! And when a fuse blow, he had to go somewhere to fix it.

No?

There was a flight computer, there was fuel for automatic manoeuvres, and a separate supply of fuel for the astronauts to manually correct and fly the capsule. The astronauts were fixed in place in a moulded seat. The capsule was developed in hand with the mercury 7, the USA's first group of astronauts, who insisted on manual controls and windows.
Well, according John Glenn he was facing backwards in his space capsule, when rocket engines were fired above the Pacific, so he could start reentry and land in the Atlantic Ocean a little later.
What a clown! Glenn became a US senator and served many years. He was just told what to do ....
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 17, 2019, 11:21:42 AM
Plenty to play with in there

https://images.app.goo.gl/ApMZQzovgjVjWRiS6

And the pilot was flying backwards all the time! And when a fuse blow, he had to go somewhere to fix it.

No?

There was a flight computer, there was fuel for automatic manoeuvres, and a separate supply of fuel for the astronauts to manually correct and fly the capsule. The astronauts were fixed in place in a moulded seat. The capsule was developed in hand with the mercury 7, the USA's first group of astronauts, who insisted on manual controls and windows.
Well, according John Glenn he was facing backwards in his space capsule, when rocket engines were fired above the Pacific, so he could start reentry and land in the Atlantic Ocean a little later.
What a clown! Glenn became a US senator and served many years. He was just told what to do ....

He was sat on the heat shield, which was not facing backwards when he was doing his orbits.

Your logic is strange.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 17, 2019, 12:50:09 PM
There was a flight computer, there was fuel for automatic manoeuvres, and a separate supply of fuel for the astronauts to manually correct and fly the capsule. The astronauts were fixed in place in a moulded seat. The capsule was developed in hand with the mercury 7, the USA's first group of astronauts, who insisted on manual controls and windows.
Well, according John Glenn he was facing backwards in his space capsule, when rocket engines were fired above the Pacific, so he could start reentry and land in the Atlantic Ocean a little later.
What's strange about that?
What is the best way to face if you are being slowed down at up to 8 g's? So, of course, John Glenn was facing backwards in his space capsule.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 17, 2019, 10:46:39 PM
There was a flight computer, there was fuel for automatic manoeuvres, and a separate supply of fuel for the astronauts to manually correct and fly the capsule. The astronauts were fixed in place in a moulded seat. The capsule was developed in hand with the mercury 7, the USA's first group of astronauts, who insisted on manual controls and windows.
Well, according John Glenn he was facing backwards in his space capsule, when rocket engines were fired above the Pacific, so he could start reentry and land in the Atlantic Ocean a little later.
What's strange about that?
What is the best way to face if you are being slowed down at up to 8 g's? So, of course, John Glenn was facing backwards in his space capsule.
So he says. But it was the first time he was flying backwards ... without wings ... all over USA from California to Virgina to land in the Atlantic. He slowed down at variable speeds from > 7000 m/s to 0 in say 15 minutes and then landed hole-in-one close to target (a US warship). It was an impossible trajectory but the communist Y. Gagarin had faked a similar stunt years earlier. Fake News every time.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 17, 2019, 11:09:11 PM
But it was the first time he was flying backwards ... without wings ...
Does a satellite have wings? Wings are not needed when in orbit and on re-entry you are trying to lose altitude.

He may not have had what looks like a wing but does a Frisbee look like a wing? Does a pebble you skim over a pond look like a wing?
The American heat shields were also a lifting surface, though with a terrible lift/drag ratio - luckily, well good design, not luck.
Hence the American re-entry modules could be controlled during re-entry.

Quote from: Heiwa
all over USA from California to Virgina to land in the Atlantic. He slowed down at variable speeds from > 7000 m/s to 0 in say 15 minutes
So? He had been in orbit all around the Earth before that.

Quote from: Heiwa
and then landed hole-in-one close to target (a US warship). It was an impossible trajectory
Only impossible to one so pig-headed that they refuse to even try to understand it.
I'm not certain of the Mecury capsules but the Apollo CM's had inertial navigation and were controlled even during te-entry so it was by no means impossible.

Quote from: Heiwa
but the communist Y. Gagarin had faked a similar stunt years earlier. Fake News every time.
So you say! Few believe your trash anyway - you are the real fake here!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: frenat on December 18, 2019, 04:39:36 AM
There was a flight computer, there was fuel for automatic manoeuvres, and a separate supply of fuel for the astronauts to manually correct and fly the capsule. The astronauts were fixed in place in a moulded seat. The capsule was developed in hand with the mercury 7, the USA's first group of astronauts, who insisted on manual controls and windows.
Well, according John Glenn he was facing backwards in his space capsule, when rocket engines were fired above the Pacific, so he could start reentry and land in the Atlantic Ocean a little later.
What's strange about that?
What is the best way to face if you are being slowed down at up to 8 g's? So, of course, John Glenn was facing backwards in his space capsule.
So he says. But it was the first time he was flying backwards ... without wings ... all over USA from California to Virgina to land in the Atlantic. He slowed down at variable speeds from > 7000 m/s to 0 in say 15 minutes and then landed hole-in-one close to target (a US warship). It was an impossible trajectory but the communist Y. Gagarin had faked a similar stunt years earlier. Fake News every time.
translation: I don't understand any of it and can't bother to try so it must be fake.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 18, 2019, 05:07:04 AM
But it was the first time he was flying backwards ... without wings ...

So you say! Few believe your trash anyway - you are the real fake here!

Well, John Glenn flying the Mercury teapot was chosen as he was a war plane with wings pilot. Of course Mercury had no wings, when flying through the atmosphere to land (in the sea) and Glenn did this facing backwards looking at all his switches and fuses. He had never before flown so fast - supersonic! Braking was just due to friction and how Glenn was steering the thing with his stick between the legs remains Fake News magic. And now National Geographic shall make a reportage of the old Fake News.
Re my trash - see thread on top of page. Very popular trash! Plenty people believe high speed flying in vacuum space is like slowly flying a plane in thick air close to ground.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 18, 2019, 06:43:20 AM
But it was the first time he was flying backwards ... without wings ...

So you say! Few believe your trash anyway - you are the real fake here!

Well, John Glenn flying the Mercury teapot was chosen as he was a war plane with wings pilot. Of course Mercury had no wings, when flying through the atmosphere to land (in the sea) and Glenn did this facing backwards looking at all his switches and fuses. He had never before flown so fast - supersonic! Braking was just due to friction and how Glenn was steering the thing with his stick between the legs remains Fake News magic. And now National Geographic shall make a reportage of the old Fake News.
Re my trash - see thread on top of page. Very popular trash! Plenty people believe high speed flying in vacuum space is like slowly flying a plane in thick air close to ground.

No

John Glenn was one of seven test pilots selected to be the NASA's  first set of astronauts, he was the first to complete orbits beyond the target that had been set by NASA. It was the third flight of the Mercury programme, two previous sub orbital flights having been completed.

People believe a lot of things, but for all its dangers space flight is nothing like flying in an atmosphere and eminently more predictable.  Flight plans for missions are calculated way in advance of any flight. Its basic orbital mechanics.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 18, 2019, 07:25:31 AM
So he says. But it was the first time he was flying backwards ... without wings ...
Perhaps, but I'm pretty sure that he simulated the flight quite a few times before the actual flight.

BTW, Mercury-8 was Wally Schirra's mission, not John Glenn's mission.  Please stay on topic.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 18, 2019, 01:17:07 PM
But it was the first time he was flying backwards ... without wings ...

So you say! Few believe your trash anyway - you are the real fake here!

Well, John Glenn flying the Mercury teapot was chosen as he was a war plane with wings pilot. Of course Mercury had no wings, when flying through the atmosphere to land (in the sea) and Glenn did this facing backwards looking at all his switches and fuses. He had never before flown so fast - supersonic! Braking was just due to friction and how Glenn was steering the thing with his stick between the legs remains Fake News magic. And now National Geographic shall make a reportage of the old Fake News.
Re my trash - see thread on top of page. Very popular trash! Plenty people believe high speed flying in vacuum space is like slowly flying a plane in thick air close to ground.

No

John Glenn was one of seven test pilots selected to be the NASA's  first set of astronauts, he was the first to complete orbits beyond the target that had been set by NASA. It was the third flight of the Mercury programme, two previous sub orbital flights having been completed.

People believe a lot of things, but for all its dangers space flight is nothing like flying in an atmosphere and eminently more predictable.  Flight plans for missions are calculated way in advance of any flight. Its basic orbital mechanics.
Yes, but what is orbital mechanics? And why do you need orbiting humans doing it. Why not use robots? 
yes, the NASA flight plans for missions are calculated way in advance of any flight. But why cannot NASA say how much fuel is used, etc, etc.?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 18, 2019, 03:14:07 PM
yes, the NASA flight plans for missions are calculated way in advance of any flight. But why cannot NASA say how much fuel is used, etc, etc.?
NASA did say how much fuel was used, etc., etc., in the mission reports.  You the information is there, but you just keep calling if fake news.  Why do you keep asking questions when all you ever do is just dismiss or ignore the answers?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 18, 2019, 05:08:35 PM
Yes, but what is orbital mechanics?
If you don't know that you've no business claiming it's all impossible.

Quote from: Heiwa
And why do you need orbiting humans doing it. Why not use robots? 
Quote from: Heiwa
yes, the NASA flight plans for missions are calculated way in advance of any flight. But why cannot NASA say how much fuel is used, etc, etc.?
They can and do but you won't even read their reports.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 19, 2019, 12:39:56 AM

  • But also humans can do more things in space or on the Moon than robots can.


Yes, piss! Thanks for telling me. But the Mercury-Atlas8 space craft didn't have a toilet. John Glenn & Co had to piss in their trousers.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 19, 2019, 02:12:43 AM
  • But also humans can do more things in space or on the Moon than robots can.

Yes, piss! Thanks for telling me. But the Mercury-Atlas8 space craft didn't have a toilet. John Glenn & Co had to piss in their trousers.
You've got I one track mind. I wonder why? You should either head off to either a urologist or more likely a psychiatrist.

But you're showing your ignorance again! John Glenn & Co didn't have "to piss in their trousers . . . the Mercury-Atlas8 space craft".
So you're certainly maintaining your enviable 100% record - always wrong, Congratulations :D!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 19, 2019, 02:52:08 AM

  • But also humans can do more things in space or on the Moon than robots can.


Yes, piss! Thanks for telling me. But the Mercury-Atlas8 space craft didn't have a toilet. John Glenn & Co had to piss in their trousers.

With reference to John Glenn, his mission was under 6 hours start to finish, perhaps he just crossed his legs.

Mercury-Atlas 9 was the last mission in this series and Gordon Cooper was up there for 34 hours. The end of the mission was beset with problems and systems failures to the extent that the final stages of the mission were carried out fully manually. When they investigated they found that the Piss bag in Gordons space suit had a micro leak and the piss moisture in the capsule effected the electronics.

Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 19, 2019, 03:44:10 AM

  • But also humans can do more things in space or on the Moon than robots can.


Yes, piss! Thanks for telling me. But the Mercury-Atlas8 space craft didn't have a toilet. John Glenn & Co had to piss in their trousers.

With reference to John Glenn, his mission was under 6 hours start to finish, perhaps he just crossed his legs.
Not quite, Alan Sheppard had big problems and, as they said in the classics, "When you've gotta go, you've gotta go" so he went:
Quote from: Hunter Hollins
Forgotten hardware: how to urinate in a spacesuit (https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/advan.00175.2012)
 Abstract

On May 5, 1961, astronaut Alan Shepard became the first American to fly in space. Although National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) had discounted the need for him to urinate, Shepard did, in his spacesuit, short circuiting his electronic biosensors. With the development of the pressure suit needed for high-altitude and space flight during the 1950s, technicians had developed the means for urine collection. However, cultural mores, combined with a lack of interagency communication, and the technical difficulties of spaceflight made human waste collection a difficult task. Despite the difficulties, technicians at NASA created a successful urine collection device that John Glenn wore on the first Mercury orbital flight on February 20, 1962. With minor modifications, male astronauts used this system to collect urine until the Space Shuttle program. John Glenn's urine collection device is at the National Air and Space Museum and has been on view to the public since 1976.

FROM A POSTCARD to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA):
Quote
February 1, 1961

Dear Sir,
In our science class we were talking about the first man that would go into space and we would like to know where they go to the toilet when there [sic] up in space and there's no gravity.

Yours truly,
Brenda Kemmerer
Box 77
Cherryville, Pennsylvania (12)
Brenda and her friends in science class wondered, as children still do today, but in 1961, scientists and technicians at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) discounted the problem. Dr. Freeman H. Quimby, of the Office of Life Science Programs at NASA, replied to Brenda that “the first space man is not expected to have ‘to go’”.
The expectation of technicians was that the astronaut would urinate just before they closed his pressure suit and then hold it until he was on the rescue ship. For the first American space flight on May 5, 1961, NASA did not give astronaut Alan Shepard a urine collection device (UCD), and during his 4-h wait on the launch pad, he had to urinate in his pressure suit. No one knew what effect this bodily need would have on the mission, but after some rumination, the launch pad team told him to “do it in the suit” .
<< continued in the link >>
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 19, 2019, 06:46:55 AM

  • But also humans can do more things in space or on the Moon than robots can.


Yes, piss! Thanks for telling me. But the Mercury-Atlas8 space craft didn't have a toilet. John Glenn & Co had to piss in their trousers.
As far as I know, Alan Sheppard was the only astronaut who had to piss his pants.  It was only supposed to be a 15 minute flight, so they didn't see the need for a urine collection system.  Unfortunately for him, there was several hours of hold time and he was finally given permission to do what needed to be done.  Everyone else had some sort of urine collection system.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 19, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
  • But also humans can do more things in space or on the Moon than robots can.

Yes, piss! Thanks for telling me. But the Mercury-Atlas8 space craft didn't have a toilet. John Glenn & Co had to piss in their trousers.
You've got I one track mind. I wonder why? You should either head off to either a urologist or more likely a psychiatrist.

But you're showing your ignorance again! John Glenn & Co didn't have "to piss in their trousers . . . the Mercury-Atlas8 space craft".
  • John Glenn didn't fly in "the Mercury-Atlas8 space craft" so no problem.
  • And the "and Co", Walter M. Schirra Jr., didn't have "to piss in their his trousers" either!
So you're certainly maintaining your enviable 100% record - always wrong, Congratulations :D!
Yes, we are told that once in orbit, the Mercury spacecraft could be rotated in yaw, pitch, and roll along its longitudinal axis (roll), left to right from the astronaut's point of view (yaw), and up or down (pitch). Movement was created by rocket-propelled thrusters, which used hydrogen peroxide as a fuel. For orientation, the pilot could look through the window in front of him or he could look at a screen connected to a periscope with a camera which could be turned 360°.
The Mercury astronauts had taken part in the development of their spacecraft, and insisted that manual control, and a window, be elements of its design. As a result, spacecraft movement and other functions could be controlled three ways: remotely from the ground when passing over a ground station, automatically guided by onboard instruments, or manually by the astronaut, who could replace or override the two other methods. Experience validated the astronauts' insistence on manual controls.
I always wonder who wrote this nonsense. Nobody ever flow in a Mercury spacecraft. It was all Fake News!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 19, 2019, 12:49:00 PM
I always wonder who wrote this nonsense. Nobody ever flow in a Mercury spacecraft. It was all Fake News!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ya302pw7th5johh/Oh%20sure%2C%20sure.%20Whatever%20you%20say.gif?dl=1)
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 19, 2019, 02:27:23 PM
I always wonder who wrote this nonsense. Nobody ever flow in a Mercury spacecraft. It was all Fake News!
And I wonder why an engineer can't believe that the various difficulties of manned space flight and reentry could be overcome.  Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 19, 2019, 07:21:29 PM
I always wonder who wrote this nonsense. Nobody ever flow in a Mercury spacecraft. It was all Fake News!
And I wonder why an engineer can't believe that the various difficulties of manned space flight and reentry could be overcome.  Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Fact remains that no Mercury Atlas spacecrafts with pilots ever flow anywhere. It was all Fake News produced by Hollywood, that likes brave men manually flying things, that cannot fly. I look forward to the National Geographic review.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 19, 2019, 07:35:35 PM
Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Fact remains that no Mercury Atlas spacecrafts with pilots ever flow anywhere.
Facts demand proof! So YOU prove "that no Mercury-Atlas spacecraft with pilots ever flow anywhere".
Otherwise, it's nothing more than:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ya302pw7th5johh/Oh%20sure%2C%20sure.%20Whatever%20you%20say.gif?dl=1)
You have never even presented any evidence or even reasonr for "no Mercury-Atlas spacecraft with pilots ever flow anywhere' ".
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 19, 2019, 10:36:05 PM
Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Fact remains that no Mercury Atlas spacecrafts with pilots ever flow anywhere.
Facts demand proof! So YOU prove "that no Mercury-Atlas spacecraft with pilots ever flow anywhere".
OK, it seems that 30 fuses were fitted to enable the Mercury-Atlas thing to fly safely. But no spare fuses were provided aboard.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 20, 2019, 12:18:09 AM
Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Fact remains that no Mercury Atlas spacecrafts with pilots ever flow anywhere.
Facts demand proof! So YOU prove "that no Mercury-Atlas spacecraft with pilots ever flow anywhere".
OK, it seems that 30 fuses were fitted to enable the Mercury-Atlas thing to fly safely. But no spare fuses were provided aboard.
Where is the source of your "no spare fuses were provided aboard"?
An obvious place for spare fuses would be in the fuse boxes.

But whatever the case it's not evidence of anything.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 01:20:18 AM
Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Fact remains that no Mercury Atlas spacecrafts with pilots ever flow anywhere.
Facts demand proof! So YOU prove "that no Mercury-Atlas spacecraft with pilots ever flow anywhere".
OK, it seems that 30 fuses were fitted to enable the Mercury-Atlas thing to fly safely. But no spare fuses were provided aboard.
Where is the source of your "no spare fuses were provided aboard"?
An obvious place for spare fuses would be in the fuse boxes.

But whatever the case it's not evidence of anything.
On my ships there are plenty fuses and if one is blown the ship's electrician fixes it. The Mercury-Atlas thing had no electrician aboard to fix fuses = clear evidence that the whole thing was Fake News to fool the public. Actually the communists in USSR had made a similar thing a little earlier to cheer up the comrades there. Ever heard of Yuri Gagarin? First man to orbit Earth in space. But it was just communist propaganda.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 20, 2019, 02:00:52 AM
Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Fact remains that no Mercury Atlas spacecrafts with pilots ever flow anywhere.
Facts demand proof! So YOU prove "that no Mercury-Atlas spacecraft with pilots ever flow anywhere".
OK, it seems that 30 fuses were fitted to enable the Mercury-Atlas thing to fly safely. But no spare fuses were provided aboard.
Where is the source of your "no spare fuses were provided aboard"?
An obvious place for spare fuses would be in the fuse boxes.

But whatever the case it's not evidence of anything.
On my ships there are plenty fuses and if one is blown the ship's electrician fixes it.
If your electricians know what they are doing the won't replace a fuse until they repair what failed.
I doubt that the astronaut could do that in space so simply replacing fuses would be futile.

But fuses are there to protect the most vital equipment and there would modules that are not vital to survival.

By the way, I'm not an electrician but I know enough about electrical engineering to be called on to solve a stability problem in a power station and similar little things.

Quote from: Heiwa
The Mercury-Atlas thing had no electrician aboard to fix fuses = clear evidence that the whole thing was Fake News to fool the public.
Rubbish!
It's "clear evidence" of nothing more that the fact that you still don't know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 20, 2019, 02:30:49 AM
Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Fact remains that no Mercury Atlas spacecrafts with pilots ever flow anywhere.
Facts demand proof! So YOU prove "that no Mercury-Atlas spacecraft with pilots ever flow anywhere".
OK, it seems that 30 fuses were fitted to enable the Mercury-Atlas thing to fly safely. But no spare fuses were provided aboard.
Where is the source of your "no spare fuses were provided aboard"?
An obvious place for spare fuses would be in the fuse boxes.

But whatever the case it's not evidence of anything.
On my ships there are plenty fuses and if one is blown the ship's electrician fixes it. The Mercury-Atlas thing had no electrician aboard to fix fuses = clear evidence that the whole thing was Fake News to fool the public. Actually the communists in USSR had made a similar thing a little earlier to cheer up the comrades there. Ever heard of Yuri Gagarin? First man to orbit Earth in space. But it was just communist propaganda.

You don't fix fuses chap.

Mercury capsule had a number of fuses for the electrical systems, however, the vital systems were controlled over a solid conductor system. Standard system was set up in a switch arrangement, fuse trips, check sources of outage or switch to secondary power source and flip switch, no need to leave your seat.

Vital systems had a three way switch, position 1 for normal mode, position 2, second solid conductor for emergency operations.

So without leaving the seat the capsule pilot can sort out minor electrical issues and control power to the essential power systems, massive amount of redundancy for short flights.

The fusing systems required for space flight are a piece of cake compared to maritime rated electrical systems, going out to sea being a much harsher environment for electrics. So if you believe there are ocean going vessels, im struggling to see how you think space flight is fake news because fuses?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 02:35:19 AM
Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Fact remains that no Mercury Atlas spacecrafts with pilots ever flow anywhere.
Facts demand proof! So YOU prove "that no Mercury-Atlas spacecraft with pilots ever flow anywhere".
OK, it seems that 30 fuses were fitted to enable the Mercury-Atlas thing to fly safely. But no spare fuses were provided aboard.
Where is the source of your "no spare fuses were provided aboard"?
An obvious place for spare fuses would be in the fuse boxes.

But whatever the case it's not evidence of anything.
On my ships there are plenty fuses and if one is blown the ship's electrician fixes it.
If your electricians know what they are doing the won't replace a fuse until they repair what failed.
I doubt that the astronaut could do that in space so simply replacing fuses would be futile.

But fuses are there to protect the most vital equipment and there would modules that are not vital to survival.

By the way, I'm not an electrician but I know enough about electrical engineering to be called on to solve a stability problem in a power station and similar little things.

Quote from: Heiwa
The Mercury-Atlas thing had no electrician aboard to fix fuses = clear evidence that the whole thing was Fake News to fool the public.
Rubbish!
It's "clear evidence" of nothing more that the fact that you still don't know what you're talking about.
Well, this Mercury Spaceship was only required to fly <24 hrs, so why didn't they provide proper fuses. OK, no spare fuses and according NASA no fuses were ever blown = the whole thing was Fake News.
Only in 1950/60's Hollywood fuse comedies people were running around changing fuses instead of fucking in big beds ...
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 02:40:30 AM
Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Fact remains that no Mercury Atlas spacecrafts with pilots ever flow anywhere.
Facts demand proof! So YOU prove "that no Mercury-Atlas spacecraft with pilots ever flow anywhere".
OK, it seems that 30 fuses were fitted to enable the Mercury-Atlas thing to fly safely. But no spare fuses were provided aboard.
Where is the source of your "no spare fuses were provided aboard"?
An obvious place for spare fuses would be in the fuse boxes.

But whatever the case it's not evidence of anything.
On my ships there are plenty fuses and if one is blown the ship's electrician fixes it. The Mercury-Atlas thing had no electrician aboard to fix fuses = clear evidence that the whole thing was Fake News to fool the public. Actually the communists in USSR had made a similar thing a little earlier to cheer up the comrades there. Ever heard of Yuri Gagarin? First man to orbit Earth in space. But it was just communist propaganda.

You don't fix fuses chap.

Mercury capsule had a number of fuses for the electrical systems, however, the vital systems were controlled over a solid conductor system. Standard system was set up in a switch arrangement, fuse trips, check sources of outage or switch to secondary power source and flip switch, no need to leave your seat.

Vital systems had a three way switch, position 1 for normal mode, position 2, second solid conductor for emergency operations.

So without leaving the seat the capsule pilot can sort out minor electrical issues and control power to the essential power systems, massive amount of redundancy for short flights.

The fusing systems required for space flight are a piece of cake compared to maritime rated electrical systems, going out to sea being a much harsher environment for electrics. So if you believe there are ocean going vessels, im struggling to see how you think space flight is fake news because fuses?
Thanks for asking. At sea, when things go wrong, you always blame a big wave that wipes you out in seconds at the middle of the night, etc. A surprise! And people ashore believe.
But not me.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 20, 2019, 02:42:54 AM
Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Fact remains that no Mercury Atlas spacecrafts with pilots ever flow anywhere.
Facts demand proof! So YOU prove "that no Mercury-Atlas spacecraft with pilots ever flow anywhere".
OK, it seems that 30 fuses were fitted to enable the Mercury-Atlas thing to fly safely. But no spare fuses were provided aboard.
Where is the source of your "no spare fuses were provided aboard"?
An obvious place for spare fuses would be in the fuse boxes.

But whatever the case it's not evidence of anything.
On my ships there are plenty fuses and if one is blown the ship's electrician fixes it. The Mercury-Atlas thing had no electrician aboard to fix fuses = clear evidence that the whole thing was Fake News to fool the public. Actually the communists in USSR had made a similar thing a little earlier to cheer up the comrades there. Ever heard of Yuri Gagarin? First man to orbit Earth in space. But it was just communist propaganda.

You don't fix fuses chap.

Mercury capsule had a number of fuses for the electrical systems, however, the vital systems were controlled over a solid conductor system. Standard system was set up in a switch arrangement, fuse trips, check sources of outage or switch to secondary power source and flip switch, no need to leave your seat.

Vital systems had a three way switch, position 1 for normal mode, position 2, second solid conductor for emergency operations.

So without leaving the seat the capsule pilot can sort out minor electrical issues and control power to the essential power systems, massive amount of redundancy for short flights.

The fusing systems required for space flight are a piece of cake compared to maritime rated electrical systems, going out to sea being a much harsher environment for electrics. So if you believe there are ocean going vessels, im struggling to see how you think space flight is fake news because fuses?
Thanks for asking. At sea, when things go wrong, you always blame a big wave that wipes you out in seconds at the middle of the night, etc. A surprise! And people ashore believe.
But not me.

Big wave tripped your fuses?

You ramble nothing but rubbish, obvious troll is obvious...
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 03:07:51 AM
Sounds like a fake engineer to me.
Fact remains that no Mercury Atlas spacecrafts with pilots ever flow anywhere.
Facts demand proof! So YOU prove "that no Mercury-Atlas spacecraft with pilots ever flow anywhere".
OK, it seems that 30 fuses were fitted to enable the Mercury-Atlas thing to fly safely. But no spare fuses were provided aboard.
Where is the source of your "no spare fuses were provided aboard"?
An obvious place for spare fuses would be in the fuse boxes.

But whatever the case it's not evidence of anything.
On my ships there are plenty fuses and if one is blown the ship's electrician fixes it. The Mercury-Atlas thing had no electrician aboard to fix fuses = clear evidence that the whole thing was Fake News to fool the public. Actually the communists in USSR had made a similar thing a little earlier to cheer up the comrades there. Ever heard of Yuri Gagarin? First man to orbit Earth in space. But it was just communist propaganda.

You don't fix fuses chap.

Mercury capsule had a number of fuses for the electrical systems, however, the vital systems were controlled over a solid conductor system. Standard system was set up in a switch arrangement, fuse trips, check sources of outage or switch to secondary power source and flip switch, no need to leave your seat.

Vital systems had a three way switch, position 1 for normal mode, position 2, second solid conductor for emergency operations.

So without leaving the seat the capsule pilot can sort out minor electrical issues and control power to the essential power systems, massive amount of redundancy for short flights.

The fusing systems required for space flight are a piece of cake compared to maritime rated electrical systems, going out to sea being a much harsher environment for electrics. So if you believe there are ocean going vessels, im struggling to see how you think space flight is fake news because fuses?
Thanks for asking. At sea, when things go wrong, you always blame a big wave that wipes you out in seconds at the middle of the night, etc. A surprise! And people ashore believe.
But not me.

Big wave tripped your fuses?

Yes, that's what I am told.
Of course, I never believe such nonsens. What about you?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 20, 2019, 04:03:32 AM
Mission accomplished you have derailed an interesting thread and reaffirmed your fantasy maritime career to yourself.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 08:42:19 AM
Mission accomplished you have derailed an interesting thread and reaffirmed your fantasy maritime career to yourself.
?? You fly a spacecraft at high speed and a fuse blows! What do you do? Change the fuse ... while flying? My car has few fuses and when one is broken, I have to stop, open the bonnet and change it.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 20, 2019, 10:43:57 AM
Mission accomplished you have derailed an interesting thread and reaffirmed your fantasy maritime career to yourself.
?? You fly a spacecraft at high speed and a fuse blows! What do you do? Change the fuse ... while flying? My car has few fuses and when one is broken, I have to stop, open the bonnet and change it.

You are not even reading responses, already discussed above.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 20, 2019, 10:59:13 AM
Mission accomplished you have derailed an interesting thread and reaffirmed your fantasy maritime career to yourself.
?? You fly a spacecraft at high speed and a fuse blows! What do you do? Change the fuse ... while flying?
No, you flip a switch to go to a redundant circuit.  Almost all critical systems have at least one redundant circuit.

My car has few fuses and when one is broken, I have to stop, open the bonnet and change it.
Then it's a good thing that spacecraft electrical systems aren't designed like car electrical systems.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 20, 2019, 01:16:57 PM
?? You fly a spacecraft at high speed and a fuse blows! What do you do? Change the fuse ... while flying?
No, you flip a switch to go to a redundant circuit.  Almost all critical systems have at least one redundant circuit.
My car has few fuses and when one is broken, I have to stop, open the bonnet and change it.
Then it's a good thing that spacecraft electrical systems aren't designed like car electrical systems.
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Well put :)!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 03:29:10 PM
Well, space travel is always at very high speeds and flipping a switch takes time, so it is certain that you will miss the target using such systems. You also need extra fuel for such systems and you cannot fill up in space.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 20, 2019, 04:50:47 PM
Well, space travel is always at very high speeds and flipping a switch takes time, so it is certain that you will miss the target using such systems. You also need extra fuel for such systems and you cannot fill up in space.
Only if your "target" within the time it takes to flip a switch and the only target that really mattered on Mercury-Atlas 8 was re-entry.
But none of the trash you keep serving up is any evidence against crewed space travel.

So either get on topic, which is "Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery",  or buzz off!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 20, 2019, 05:11:52 PM
Well, space travel is always at very high speeds and flipping a switch takes time, so it is certain that you will miss the target using such systems.
That's why you practice over and over and over and over again until it's reflex.  Also, most of the critically timed events were controlled by the flight computer.

You also need extra fuel for such systems and you cannot fill up in space.
No, you design and build your spacecraft with your booster and fuel budget in mind.  If your booster rocket can only put 3000 pounds safely into orbit, then you make sure that the total weight of your spacecraft, crew and anything else going into orbit is no more than 2999 pounds.  I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept for an engineer to understand.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
Well, space travel is always at very high speeds and flipping a switch takes time, so it is certain that you will miss the target using such systems.
That's why you practice over and over and over and over again until it's reflex.  Also, most of the critically timed events were controlled by the flight computer.

You also need extra fuel for such systems and you cannot fill up in space.
No, you design and build your spacecraft with your booster and fuel budget in mind.  If your booster rocket can only put 3000 pounds safely into orbit, then you make sure that the total weight of your spacecraft, crew and anything else going into orbit is no more than 2999 pounds.  I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept for an engineer to understand.
It sounds easy but how to decide where you are at high speed in 3D space for various event, e.g. where to start the re-entry at correct angles? BTW there was no flight computer aboard!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 21, 2019, 01:12:05 AM
No, you design and build your spacecraft with your booster and fuel budget in mind.  If your booster rocket can only put 3000 pounds safely into orbit, then you make sure that the total weight of your spacecraft, crew and anything else going into orbit is no more than 2999 pounds.  I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept for an engineer to understand.
It sounds easy but how to decide where you are at high speed in 3D space for various event, e.g. where to start the re-entry at correct angles? BTW there was no flight computer aboard!
How many times does the same thing have to be explained.
Remembering this? MERCURY PROJECT SUMMARY (NASA SP-45): 8. WORLDWIDE NETWORK SUPPORT (https://history.nasa.gov/SP-45/ch8.htm)
Go and read it yourself!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 21, 2019, 01:21:13 AM
No, you design and build your spacecraft with your booster and fuel budget in mind.  If your booster rocket can only put 3000 pounds safely into orbit, then you make sure that the total weight of your spacecraft, crew and anything else going into orbit is no more than 2999 pounds.  I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept for an engineer to understand.
It sounds easy but how to decide where you are at high speed in 3D space for various event, e.g. where to start the re-entry at correct angles? BTW there was no flight computer aboard!
How many times does the same thing have to be explained.
Remembering this? MERCURY PROJECT SUMMARY (NASA SP-45): 8. WORLDWIDE NETWORK SUPPORT (https://history.nasa.gov/SP-45/ch8.htm)
Go and read it yourself!
Yes, I have. NASA garbage, as usual.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 21, 2019, 08:31:39 AM
Yes, I have. NASA garbage, as usual.
If you don't want to believe NASA, then who would you believe?  If you're not willing to believe anyone, then why do you keep asking?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 21, 2019, 08:39:27 AM
Yes, I have. NASA garbage, as usual.
If you don't want to believe NASA, then who would you believe?  If you're not willing to believe anyone, then why do you keep asking?
I use critical thinking when analyzing the NASA statements and find that they are simple lies.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 21, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Yes, I have. NASA garbage, as usual.
If you don't want to believe NASA, then who would you believe?  If you're not willing to believe anyone, then why do you keep asking?
I use critical thinking when analyzing the NASA statements and find that they are simple lies.
The thing is, your comments don't seem to support your claim of "critical thinking".  Rather, they show a lack of understanding and incredulity.  Maybe you should consider the possibility that there are people who know more about these things than you do.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 21, 2019, 03:44:49 PM
Yes, I have. NASA garbage, as usual.
If you don't want to believe NASA, then who would you believe?  If you're not willing to believe anyone, then why do you keep asking?
I use critical thinking when analyzing the NASA statements and find that they are simple lies.
The thing is, your comments don't seem to support your claim of "critical thinking".  Rather, they show a lack of understanding and incredulity.  Maybe you should consider the possibility that there are people who know more about these things than you do.
Yes, I consider that possibility but when I see and hear what US presidents say and do, I am convinced that they lie about US space trips, nuclear weapons and wars against terrorism. One example is Afghanistan. USA said Afghanistan was run by terrorists supporting Arabs attacking USA and attacked it military 2001, installed a puppet and that it was illegal to talk to terrorists. The Afghans said they had nothing to do with 911. Right now USA is negotiating with them to get out of Afghanistan. I agree with the Afghans. They just defend themselves against US aggression. What do you think?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 21, 2019, 03:59:41 PM
<< Off-topic >>
The topic is "Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery" so stop your de-railing of this thread.

I do apologise for assisting you and others in this but it was Denspressure's topic.

If you want to spout your nonsense make your own thread on say, "Heiwa's Collated Nonsense".

Bye!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 21, 2019, 09:39:26 PM
<< Off-topic >>
The topic is "Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery" so stop your de-railing of this thread.

I do apologise for assisting you and others in this but it was Denspressure's topic.

If you want to spout your nonsense make your own thread on say, "Heiwa's Collated Nonsense".

Bye!
Yes, I know that topic is the Mercury tin can that according Fake News orbited Earth in space 1958/61. But the pilots were just Hollywood trained actors that never orbited anything. Just look at the photos ...
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 21, 2019, 09:52:11 PM
Yes, I know that topic is the Mercury tin can that according Fake News orbited Earth in space 1958/61. But the pilots were just Hollywood trained actors that never orbited anything.
No, the pilots were highly trained military fighter pilots and test pilots.

Just look at the photos ...
What about the photos?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 22, 2019, 12:43:31 AM
Yes, I know that topic is the Mercury tin can that according Fake News orbited Earth in space 1958/61. But the pilots were just Hollywood trained actors that never orbited anything.
No, the pilots were highly trained military fighter pilots and test pilots.

Just look at the photos ...
What about the photos?
The pilots looked like cheap, stupid actors to me. Flying tea pots in space has nothing in common with flying war planes bombing Japanese and Koreans, which only brain washed idiots did! The photos of the tea pot are OK, but the tea pot was never in space, because it could never re-enter from orbit and splash into the water. I assume the tea pot was dropped from a plane to impress onlookers. A cheap trick!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 22, 2019, 12:54:06 AM
Heiwa is still winning.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 22, 2019, 02:37:57 AM
Heiwa is still whingeing.

FTFY
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 22, 2019, 02:42:35 AM
The pilots looked like cheap, stupid actors to me. Flying tea pots in space has nothing in common with flying war planes bombing Japanese and Koreans, which only brain washed idiots did!
Why should "tea pots in space" have anything "in common with flying war plane"?
Teapots are for pouring tea and war planes are for flying! Only someone stark starin' bonkers would suggest otherwise.

Quote from: Heiwa
The photos of the tea pot are OK, but the tea pot was never in space, because it could never re-enter from orbit and splash into the water. I assume the tea pot was dropped from a plane to impress onlookers. A cheap trick!
So, of course "the tea pot was never in space, because it could never re-enter from orbit and splash into the water."

But the real Mercury space capsules were carefully designed, based on much research, to safely handle atmospheric re-entry.

You might study, Aerothermodynamics for Space Vehicles – ESA's Activities and the Challenges - European Space Agency. (http://www.esa.int/esapub/bulletin/bullet96/MUYLAERT.pdf)

But, I guess that you won't because it would destroy the only argument you ever have,  "Appeal to Ridicule."
However,
Quote
Appeal to ridicule is a logical fallacy that attempts to make a claim look ridiculous by mocking it or exaggerating it in a negative way.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 22, 2019, 05:05:56 AM
The pilots looked like cheap, stupid actors to me. Flying tea pots in space has nothing in common with flying war planes bombing Japanese and Koreans, which only brain washed idiots did!
Why should "tea pots in space" have anything "in common with flying war plane"?
Teapots are for pouring tea and war planes are for flying! Only someone stark starin' bonkers would suggest otherwise.

Quote from: Heiwa
The photos of the tea pot are OK, but the tea pot was never in space, because it could never re-enter from orbit and splash into the water. I assume the tea pot was dropped from a plane to impress onlookers. A cheap trick!
So, of course "the tea pot was never in space, because it could never re-enter from orbit and splash into the water."

But the real Mercury space capsules were carefully designed, based on much research, to safely handle atmospheric re-entry.

You might study, Aerothermodynamics for Space Vehicles – ESA's Activities and the Challenges - European Space Agency. (http://www.esa.int/esapub/bulletin/bullet96/MUYLAERT.pdf)

But, I guess that you won't because it would destroy the only argument you ever have,  "Appeal to Ridicule."
However,
Quote
Appeal to ridicule is a logical fallacy that attempts to make a claim look ridiculous by mocking it or exaggerating it in a negative way.
Hm, why do you always refer me back to old NASA Fake News garbage? Are you paid for it?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 22, 2019, 10:23:27 AM
Hm, why do you always refer me back to old NASA Fake News garbage? Are you paid for it?
Actually, he was referring you to an ESA document.

One more time, who should we refer you to if not the people who actually do manned space flight for a living?  Who would you believe that manned space flight is real?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 22, 2019, 10:58:15 AM
Hm, why do you always refer me back to old NASA Fake News garbage? Are you paid for it?
Actually, he was referring you to an ESA document.

One more time, who should we refer you to if not the people who actually do manned space flight for a living?  Who would you believe that manned space flight is real?
Good question. I don't believe the alleged pilots and crews on all those spacecrafts. They are paid actors. There is no evidence that they have been in space. And, let's face it. There is no way you/they can return from space and land on Earth - do a re-entry. See thread up top about my Challenge. Nobody has collected the prize I offer.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 22, 2019, 11:10:01 AM
Obvious Troll feeds himself?

2020 not going to be a good year for you  at least 3 private companies hoping to go into space next 12 months.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 22, 2019, 03:33:03 PM
Obvious Troll feeds himself?

2020 not going to be a good year for you  at least 3 private companies hoping to go into space next 12 months.
?? Sending objects into orbits is easy. It is always one way. My company does it all the time. Please study what I say.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 22, 2019, 03:57:03 PM
Obvious Troll feeds himself?

2020 not going to be a good year for you  at least 3 private companies hoping to go into space next 12 months.
It is always one way.
Prove "It is always one way"! You never have and you never will. And I'm not wasting more time reading your useless musings.
They prove one thing only and that is that you cannot understand anything to do with space travel especially how atmospheric re-entry works.

That's your failing not NASA's or anybody else's.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 22, 2019, 09:21:23 PM
Obvious Troll feeds himself?

2020 not going to be a good year for you  at least 3 private companies hoping to go into space next 12 months.
It is always one way.
Prove "It is always one way"! You never have and you never will. And I'm not wasting more time reading your useless musings.
They prove one thing only and that is that you cannot understand anything to do with space travel especially how atmospheric re-entry works.

That's your failing not NASA's or anybody else's.
It seems all agree that any object sent into orbit (by a rocket) has a great speed, say >7000 m/s in orbit or >20 times the speed of sound in atmosphere.
The question is how to reduce this orbital speed to 0, so you can land. It is suggested you start at a location X in space to dip into the Earth atmosphere, where friction will slow you down during 10-15 minutes. Same works on planet Mars, even if the atmosphere there is >100 times thinner than on Earth. On the Moon you have to use a rocket to slow down as there is no atmosphere there.
Nobody has been able to show how you slow down a spacecraft in high speed orbit so it can land. Actually gravity force will just ensure you go faster and faster when leaving an orbit close to planet. 
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 22, 2019, 09:45:58 PM
Obvious Troll feeds himself?

2020 not going to be a good year for you  at least 3 private companies hoping to go into space next 12 months.
?? Sending objects into orbits is easy. It is always one way. My company does it all the time. Please study what I say.

I'm not one of the people who buys you have a 'company'.

Your next post you almost go on to answer the question of How? So it's not that much of a leap for you to consider that the main differences between earth, and the moon and mars is earths thick atmosphere. In the above thread we have discussed the high g's associated with the manoeuvre and the presence of a heat shield.

So you not connecting the dots, further suggests you are a troll.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 22, 2019, 10:17:12 PM
Obvious Troll feeds himself?

2020 not going to be a good year for you  at least 3 private companies hoping to go into space next 12 months.
It is always one way.
Prove "It is always one way"! You never have and you never will. And I'm not wasting more time reading your useless musings.
They prove one thing only and that is that you cannot understand anything to do with space travel especially how atmospheric re-entry works.

That's your failing not NASA's or anybody else's.
It seems all agree that any object sent into orbit (by a rocket) has a great speed, say >7000 m/s in orbit or >20 times the speed of sound in atmosphere.
The question is how to reduce this orbital speed to 0, so you can land. It is suggested you start at a location X in space to dip into the Earth atmosphere, where friction will slow you down during 10-15 minutes. Same works on planet Mars, even if the atmosphere there is >100 times thinner than on Earth.
Sure.what's your problem with using atmospheric re-entry with an appropriately designed capsule and heat-shield?

Quote from: Heiwa
On the Moon you have to use a rocket to slow down as there is no atmosphere there.

Nobody has been able to show how you slow down a spacecraft in high speed orbit so it can land. 
That is totally untrue and you have had it explained with references so many times that either you have dementia and remember nothing or are simply lying - which it it?

Quote from: Heiwa
Actually gravity force will just ensure you go faster and faster when leaving an orbit close to planet.
No it doesn't and even you know that it would reach a terminal velocity far lower than orbital velocity though the craft would still burn up unless a controlled re-entry and heat shield were used.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 22, 2019, 11:19:28 PM
Obvious Troll feeds himself?

2020 not going to be a good year for you  at least 3 private companies hoping to go into space next 12 months.
It is always one way.
Prove "It is always one way"! You never have and you never will. And I'm not wasting more time reading your useless musings.
They prove one thing only and that is that you cannot understand anything to do with space travel especially how atmospheric re-entry works.

That's your failing not NASA's or anybody else's.
It seems all agree that any object sent into orbit (by a rocket) has a great speed, say >7000 m/s in orbit or >20 times the speed of sound in atmosphere.
The question is how to reduce this orbital speed to 0, so you can land. It is suggested you start at a location X in space to dip into the Earth atmosphere, where friction will slow you down during 10-15 minutes. Same works on planet Mars, even if the atmosphere there is >100 times thinner than on Earth.
Sure.what's your problem with using atmospheric re-entry with an appropriately designed capsule and heat-shield?
It doesn't work! The capsule is going too fast.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 23, 2019, 12:32:19 AM
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_entry
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 23, 2019, 01:08:37 AM

Prove "It is always one way"! You never have and you never will. And I'm not wasting more time reading your useless musings.
They prove one thing only and that is that you cannot understand anything to do with space travel especially how atmospheric re-entry works.

That's your failing not NASA's or anybody else's.
It seems all agree that any object sent into orbit (by a rocket) has a great speed, say >7000 m/s in orbit or >20 times the speed of sound in atmosphere.
The question is how to reduce this orbital speed to 0, so you can land. It is suggested you start at a location X in space to dip into the Earth atmosphere, where friction will slow you down during 10-15 minutes. Same works on planet Mars, even if the atmosphere there is >100 times thinner than on Earth.
So you say, what's your problem with using atmospheric re-entry with an appropriately designed capsule and heat-shield?
It doesn't work! The capsule is going too fast.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BZRwhH39/Oh-sure-sure-Whatever-you-say.gif)
But you've never proven that "The capsule is going too fast" when a suitable heat shield and re-entry profile is used.

Maybe you could read a few if the references you've been given.
Here's another Atmospheric re-entry vehicle mechanics by Patrick Gallais (https://www.amazon.com/Atmospheric-Re-Entry-Vehicle-Mechanics-Patrick/dp/3540736468)

Those references show this silly claim is complete untrue.
Nobody has been able to show how you slow down a spacecraft in high speed orbit so it can land. 
You might not understand atmospheric re-entry but those at NASA, SpaceX and Boeing/SLA etc that matter understand it quite well.
Stop being a twerp Heiwa
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 23, 2019, 04:53:50 AM
Yes, I have read all stories about re-entries since 1961. The first one was by a communist hero of the Soviet Union. He didn't last long. Then this John Glenn clown. He became a US senator. Sad story. But American idiots believe them. I just feel sorry for them. Why not believe in real things. Like me.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 23, 2019, 05:08:13 AM
Yes, I have read all stories about re-entries since 1961. The first one was by a communist hero of the Soviet Union. He didn't last long. Then this John Glenn clown. He became a US senator. Sad story. But American idiots believe them. I just feel sorry for them. Why not believe in real things. Like me.

Because your evidence is, I cant understand this, I cant visualise this, spend a while debating things i know nothing about then just believe in me.

Hard pass.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 23, 2019, 06:42:35 AM
One more time, who should we refer you to if not the people who actually do manned space flight for a living?  Who would you believe that manned space flight is real?
Good question.
Then why won't you give me a good answer?  I don't care about the people that you don't believe.  I want to know who you do believe (other than yourself).
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 23, 2019, 06:59:33 AM
Yes, I have read all stories about re-entries since 1961. The first one was by a communist hero of the Soviet Union.
Actually, meteors have been surviving atmospheric reentry for billions of years.  Robert Goddard proposed ablative heat shields back in the 1920s.  The German V2 was the first rocket to survive reentry (although heating wasn't too severe).  Longer range ballistic missiles since the 1950s have used ceramic or ablative heat shields to survive reentry.  So there has been plenty of research into atmospheric reentry before Gagarin.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 23, 2019, 02:51:19 PM
Yes, I have read all stories about re-entries since 1961. The first one was by a communist hero of the Soviet Union. He didn't last long.

Well, he lasted 7 years after first going into to space. He died on 27 March 1968.

And Russia revealed that Yugi Gagarin bailed out and parachuted to Earth breaking the then FAI "astronaut rules".
They were forced to after "Gherman Titov owned up to ejecting himself."
Quote from: Cathleen Lewis, Space History Department
Why Yuri Gagarin Remains the First Man in Space, Even Though He Did Not Land Inside His Spacecraft (https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/why-yuri-gagarin-remains-first-man-space-even-though-he-did-not-land-inside-his)
One of the stipulations that the FAI carried over from aviation was that spacecraft pilots, like aircraft pilots should land inside their craft in order for the record to be valid.  In the case of aviation, this made perfect sense.  No one wanted to encourage pilots to sacrifice themselves for an aviation record.  Piloting an aircraft that could not land did nothing to further aeronautical engineering.

When Yuri Gagarin orbited the Earth on 12 April 1961, the plan had never been for him to land inside his Vostok spacecraft.  His spherical reentry capsule came through the Earth’s atmosphere on a ballistic trajectory.  Soviet engineers had not yet perfected a braking system that would slow the craft sufficiently for a human to survive impact.  They decided to eject the cosmonaut from his craft.  Yuri Gagarin ejected at 20,000 feet and landed safely on Earth. 

Soviet engineers had not discussed this shortcoming with Soviet delegates to the FAI prior to his flight.  They prepared their documents for the FAI omitting this fact.  This led everyone to believe that Gagarin had landed inside his spacecraft.  It was not until four months later, when German Titov became the second human to orbit the Earth and the first person to spend a full day in space, when the controversy began to brew.  Titov owned up to ejecting himself. 

This led to a special meeting of the delegates to the FAI to reexamine Titov’s spaceflight records.  The conclusion of the delegates was to rework the parameters of human spaceflight to recognize that the great technological accomplishment of spaceflight was the launch, orbiting and safe return of the human, not the manner in which he or she landed.  Gagarin and Titov’s records remained on the FAI books.
So Yugi Gagarin and Gherman Titov did go into space and successfully survived the atmospheric re-entry but parachuted to Earth from around 20,000 feet because Russia had not perfected a soft landing on land.

The US Mercury capsules still entered on a ballistic trajectory, as did the Vostoks,  but NASA used parachutes to land successfully in the ocean.

Quote from: Heiwa
Then this John Glenn clown. He became a US senator. Sad story.
If you claim that John Glenn is "sad story" then, just as we thought all along, you have completely lost touch with reality, sad really!
Quote
In 1998, while still a sitting senator, Glenn flew on Space Shuttle Discovery's STS-95 mission, making him, at age 77, the oldest person to fly in space and the only person to fly in both the Mercury and the Space Shuttle programs. Glenn, both the oldest and the last surviving member of the Mercury Seven, died at the age of 95 in 2016.
Did you fly in space when you were 77 or don't you remember back that far?

Quote from: Heiwa
But American idiots believe them. I just feel sorry for them. Why not believe in real things. Like me.
Probably because while you might be "real" your claims are just delusional unproven fantasy, sad really!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 23, 2019, 11:37:58 PM
Yes, I have read all stories about re-entries since 1961. The first one was by a communist hero of the Soviet Union. He didn't last long.

Well, he lasted 7 years after first going into to space. He died on 27 March 1968.

And Russia revealed that Yugi Gagarin bailed out and parachuted to Earth breaking the then FAI "astronaut rules".
They were forced to after "Gherman Titov owned up to ejecting himself."
Quote from: Cathleen Lewis, Space History Department
Why Yuri Gagarin Remains the First Man in Space, Even Though He Did Not Land Inside His Spacecraft (https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/why-yuri-gagarin-remains-first-man-space-even-though-he-did-not-land-inside-his)
One of the stipulations that the FAI carried over from aviation was that spacecraft pilots, like aircraft pilots should land inside their craft in order for the record to be valid.  In the case of aviation, this made perfect sense.  No one wanted to encourage pilots to sacrifice themselves for an aviation record.  Piloting an aircraft that could not land did nothing to further aeronautical engineering.

When Yuri Gagarin orbited the Earth on 12 April 1961, the plan had never been for him to land inside his Vostok spacecraft.  His spherical reentry capsule came through the Earth’s atmosphere on a ballistic trajectory.  Soviet engineers had not yet perfected a braking system that would slow the craft sufficiently for a human to survive impact.  They decided to eject the cosmonaut from his craft.  Yuri Gagarin ejected at 20,000 feet and landed safely on Earth. 

Soviet engineers had not discussed this shortcoming with Soviet delegates to the FAI prior to his flight.  They prepared their documents for the FAI omitting this fact.  This led everyone to believe that Gagarin had landed inside his spacecraft.  It was not until four months later, when German Titov became the second human to orbit the Earth and the first person to spend a full day in space, when the controversy began to brew.  Titov owned up to ejecting himself. 

This led to a special meeting of the delegates to the FAI to reexamine Titov’s spaceflight records.  The conclusion of the delegates was to rework the parameters of human spaceflight to recognize that the great technological accomplishment of spaceflight was the launch, orbiting and safe return of the human, not the manner in which he or she landed.  Gagarin and Titov’s records remained on the FAI books.
So Yugi Gagarin and Gherman Titov did go into space and successfully survived the atmospheric re-entry but parachuted to Earth from around 20,000 feet because Russia had not perfected a soft landing on land.

According the communist propaganda at the time the spacecraft landed softly using a parachute, etc. The spacecraft can be seen in Russia. But neither it nor Gagarin were ever in space. It was just communist propaganda to cheer up the comrades.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 24, 2019, 01:47:20 AM
Yes, I have read all stories about re-entries since 1961. The first one was by a communist hero of the Soviet Union. He didn't last long.

Well, he lasted 7 years after first going into to space. He died on 27 March 1968.

And Russia revealed that Yugi Gagarin bailed out and parachuted to Earth breaking the then FAI "astronaut rules".
They were forced to after "Gherman Titov owned up to ejecting himself."
Quote from: Cathleen Lewis, Space History Department
Why Yuri Gagarin Remains the First Man in Space, Even Though He Did Not Land Inside His Spacecraft (https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/why-yuri-gagarin-remains-first-man-space-even-though-he-did-not-land-inside-his)
One of the stipulations that the FAI carried over from aviation was that spacecraft pilots, like aircraft pilots should land inside their craft in order for the record to be valid.  In the case of aviation, this made perfect sense.  No one wanted to encourage pilots to sacrifice themselves for an aviation record.  Piloting an aircraft that could not land did nothing to further aeronautical engineering.

When Yuri Gagarin orbited the Earth on 12 April 1961, the plan had never been for him to land inside his Vostok spacecraft.  His spherical reentry capsule came through the Earth’s atmosphere on a ballistic trajectory.  Soviet engineers had not yet perfected a braking system that would slow the craft sufficiently for a human to survive impact.  They decided to eject the cosmonaut from his craft.  Yuri Gagarin ejected at 20,000 feet and landed safely on Earth. 

Soviet engineers had not discussed this shortcoming with Soviet delegates to the FAI prior to his flight.  They prepared their documents for the FAI omitting this fact.  This led everyone to believe that Gagarin had landed inside his spacecraft.  It was not until four months later, when German Titov became the second human to orbit the Earth and the first person to spend a full day in space, when the controversy began to brew.  Titov owned up to ejecting himself. 

This led to a special meeting of the delegates to the FAI to reexamine Titov’s spaceflight records.  The conclusion of the delegates was to rework the parameters of human spaceflight to recognize that the great technological accomplishment of spaceflight was the launch, orbiting and safe return of the human, not the manner in which he or she landed.  Gagarin and Titov’s records remained on the FAI books.
So Yugi Gagarin and Gherman Titov did go into space and successfully survived the atmospheric re-entry but parachuted to Earth from around 20,000 feet because Russia had not perfected a soft landing on land.

According the communist propaganda at the time the spacecraft landed softly using a parachute, etc. The spacecraft can be seen in Russia. But neither it nor Gagarin were ever in space. It was just communist propaganda to cheer up the comrades.

*citation needed*
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 24, 2019, 01:55:38 AM
According the communist propaganda at the time the spacecraft landed softly using a parachute, etc. The spacecraft can be seen in Russia.
Sure but they feared it would land too heavily for Yugi Gagarin to survive uninjured so he bailed out at about 20,000 ft.

Quote from: Heiwa
But neither it nor Gagarin were ever in space. It was just communist propaganda to cheer up the comrades.
So you keep saying but with never a trace of evidence so to put it bluntly I do not believe you! And I doubt many others swallow your rubbish either,
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 24, 2019, 02:00:40 AM
According the communist propaganda at the time the spacecraft landed softly using a parachute, etc. The spacecraft can be seen in Russia.
Sure but they feared it would land too heavily for Yugi Gagarin to survive uninjured so he bailed out at about 20,000 ft.

I know, but the Gagarin spacecraft landed intact nearby and can be seen in Russia today unless it is exposed in Germany, etc.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 24, 2019, 02:08:30 AM
According the communist propaganda at the time the spacecraft landed softly using a parachute, etc. The spacecraft can be seen in Russia.
Sure but they feared it would land too heavily for Yugi Gagarin to survive uninjured so he bailed out at about 20,000 ft.

I know, but the Gagarin spacecraft landed intact nearby and can be seen in Russia today unless it is exposed in Germany, etc.
I never denied that it did I? But Yugi Gagarin wasn't in it when it landed.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 24, 2019, 07:22:32 AM
According the communist propaganda at the time the spacecraft landed softly using a parachute, etc. The spacecraft can be seen in Russia.
Sure but they feared it would land too heavily for Yugi Gagarin to survive uninjured so he bailed out at about 20,000 ft.

I know, but the Gagarin spacecraft landed intact nearby and can be seen in Russia today unless it is exposed in Germany, etc.
I never denied that it did I? But Yugi Gagarin wasn't in it when it landed.
Yes, the Gagarin spacecraft had its own parachute, so it could soft land safely on hard, frozen ground. It was April! It wasn't damaged at all. Gagarin himself was ejected from it, so he had to use his own parachute ... and he landed nearby. There was a kolchos worker and two children going to school to welcome them back to the USSR. 100% Fake News!
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 24, 2019, 07:30:54 AM
100% Fake News!
You're never going to answer my question about who you would believe about manned space flight being real, are you?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 24, 2019, 08:09:18 AM
100% Fake News!
You're never going to answer my question about who you would believe about manned space flight being real, are you?
I do it at my web site. People got carried away in the 1950's and thought that space travel was easy. And yes, it was fairly easy to send objects into orbits around Earth BUT it was impossible to get out of any orbit and return and land on Earth. Only one-way space trips are possible. So NASA faked it. Still does.
It is very easy to fake anything in the USA. People does what the POTUS orders and the rest, Congress, Senate, Departments, Agencies, law courts, universities and administrators of all sorts, etc, just do what they are told. And US media publish it as Fake News.
Look at the clowns (criminals) doing the 911 show 2001 and blamed it on some Arabs. The POTUS & Co immediately 2001 ordered torture to be used to get some innocent people to tell anything and a Senate Commission described and approved it in detail.
It was easy. USA had falsified everything about nuclear weapons 1945+ and space exploration 1958+ so why not blame some Arabs for attacking USA 911 2001? Like the JFK assassination. Just blame a patsy.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on December 24, 2019, 10:06:18 AM
It was the Lizards I tell ye
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 24, 2019, 01:38:07 PM
100% Fake News!
You're never going to answer my question about who you would believe about manned space flight being real, are you?
I do it at my web site.
No you don't! All you do is demonstrate the numerous ways that you are unable to understand "manned space flight".
Last time I look you made crude calculations that all the kinetic energy of the spacecraft goes into heating it but it does not do that.
A properly designed craft, heat shield and trajectory ensure that most of the kinetic energy heats the air resulting the huge plasma trail.

Then you get onto silly things like toilet facilities but if you bothered to do any research you might learn how that was handled.

Quote from: Heiwa
people got carried away in the 1950's and thought that space travel was easy.
If you bothered to read the history of even the first US satellite you would that none of the scientists or engineers "thought that space travel was easy".
Then, if you studied up a bit on the development of the Saturn V and especially the Rocketdyne F-1 engine you would think quite differently.

Maybe people, like you, who learned about space travel from Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers thought it was easy.

Quote from: Heiwa
And yes, it was fairly easy to send objects into orbits around Earth
It might seem easy now but back in the late 1950's it was near impossible and in the 1960s satellites could be launched fairly reliably but there were numerous failures.

Quote from: Heiwa
BUT it was impossible to get out of any orbit and return and land on Earth.
Quote from: Heiwa
No, it is not "impossible to get out of any orbit and return and land on Earth". You have NEVER proven otherwise and you never will!

Only one-way space trips are possible. So NASA faked it. Still does.
Rubbish again!

Did you watch the re-entry of the SpaceX Crew Dragon and the Boeing's Starliner Crew Capsule? Here have another look:
here is the earlier re-entry of SpaceX's "Crew Dragon" test flight to the ISS:

SpaceX Completes Crew Demo Mission To Space Station by Scott Manley.

And

Boeing's Starliner Recovers And Makes Bullseye Landing by Scott Manley.


Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Heiwa on December 24, 2019, 10:30:35 PM

Did you watch the re-entry of the SpaceX Crew Dragon and the Boeing's Starliner Crew Capsule? Here have another look:
here is the earlier re-entry of SpaceX's "Crew Dragon" test flight to the ISS:

SpaceX Completes Crew Demo Mission To Space Station by Scott Manley.

And

Boeing's Starliner Recovers And Makes Bullseye Landing by Scott Manley.

Thanks for the standard rubbish of a tin pot with parachutes. Only Americans believing in winning the war in Afghanistan after 19 years can produce such impossible things.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: rabinoz on December 24, 2019, 11:55:56 PM

Did you watch the re-entry of the SpaceX Crew Dragon and the Boeing's Starliner Crew Capsule? Here have another look:
here is the earlier re-entry of SpaceX's "Crew Dragon" test flight to the ISS:

SpaceX Completes Crew Demo Mission To Space Station by Scott Manley.

And

Boeing's Starliner Recovers And Makes Bullseye Landing by Scott Manley.

<< Irrelevant >>
Next time post some evidence for your claims.
I'd believe SpaceX, Boeing, NASA and Scott Manley brfore you any day.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: markjo on December 27, 2019, 06:27:30 AM
100% Fake News!
You're never going to answer my question about who you would believe about manned space flight being real, are you?
I do it at my web site.
I'm not asking you at your web site.  I'm asking you here and I would like you to answer my questions here.

People got carried away in the 1950's and thought that space travel was easy.
People may have thought that, but engineers never did and still don't.

Yadda, yadda, yadda
You still aren't saying who you would trust as an authority on manned space travel or atmospheric reentry.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 29, 2019, 10:42:18 AM
OP:

Photos taken by crew member onboard the USS Kearsarge.
October 3, 1962
Scans of original slides, color fade corrected and cleaned with Digital ICE.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/steamarchive/albums/72157709390757626

The photos are not sharp enough to read the watches well, that could give us an exact time.
Perhaps with some imagination and comparison of different watches we can come close.
If you want to give it a shot, I can provide raw scans that got a higher dynamic range, usefull on the bright watch faces. Huge files though, without redcast correction.

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Why do you freaking retarts allow heiwa to yank your shit sideways?
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Denspressure on December 29, 2019, 12:40:00 PM
More footage.
2020.
soon.
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: mak3m on January 03, 2020, 02:00:35 AM
More footage.
2020.
soon.

whoop cant wait :)
Title: Re: Private photos of Mercury-Atlas 8 Recovery
Post by: Denspressure on January 08, 2020, 01:13:59 PM
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