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Title: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 03, 2019, 04:04:12 PM
I've been wondering lately: Why do round-Earthers (REers) come to the Flat-Earth Society? A quote commonly attributed to Einstein (probably incorrectly) says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. REers come here (which is fine, it's an open forum) where they know they will find FEers, and they present the same old arguments over and over again. I don't think I've ever seen an original or new argument in favor of a RE. And I doubt that any FEer has ever been swayed over to the RE camp by these arguments. So why do they bother? I know why I'm here: To find like-minded people to have friendly chats with. But a REer on these forums must feel awfully frustrated. Why do they subject themselves to this? There must be more enjoyable ways to pass their free time than arguing with us incessantly. And yet they trudge on, never converting anyone, but keep up the same old Arguments day after day; year after year. I don't understand it.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: EvolvedMantisShrimp on July 03, 2019, 04:11:19 PM
Without us, how would your nutty hypotheses develop into nuttier hypotheses?
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on July 03, 2019, 04:21:59 PM
I don't wonder why round earthers are here, I wonder why the really angry ones stay.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: faded mike on July 03, 2019, 04:47:06 PM
Did you read about Sandokhan in the announcements? Some one copypasted his work into a book. I've read others say this place gives them ideas to write about.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 03, 2019, 05:22:30 PM
Without us, how would your nutty hypotheses develop into nuttier hypotheses?

Hey, I'm not complaining. I'm just wondering what's in it for REers that makes it worth the frustration.

I don't wonder why round earthers are here, I wonder why the really angry ones stay.

Yeah, that's really the thing. I mean, I get it that people take politics or religion so seriously that they feel the need to convince everybody of their viewpoint. "Convert to my religion" or "Vote for my candidate." It's kind of understandable that people get emotional over that. But who gets upset when we say the Earth is flat? What kind of person cares that we view the Earth as flat? They're giving themselves ulcers and high blood pressure. And for what?

Did you read about Sandokhan in the announcements? Some one copypasted his work into a book. I've read others say this place gives them ideas to write about.

Plagiarizing, or citing his ideas to argue against? It's generally considered fair use to cite someone in order to present a counter-argument, but it's obviously plagiarizing to use someone's quotes as your own.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Smoke Machine on July 03, 2019, 05:29:16 PM
I've been wondering lately: Why do round-Earthers (REers) come to the Flat-Earth Society? A quote commonly attributed to Einstein (probably incorrectly) says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. REers come here (which is fine, it's an open forum) where they know they will find FEers, and they present the same old arguments over and over again. I don't think I've ever seen an original or new argument in favor of a RE. And I doubt that any FEer has ever been swayed over to the RE camp by these arguments. So why do they bother? I know why I'm here: To find like-minded people to have friendly chats with. But a REer on these forums must feel awfully frustrated. Why do they subject themselves to this? There must be more enjoyable ways to pass their free time than arguing with us incessantly. And yet they trudge on, never converting anyone, but keep up the same old Arguments day after day; year after year. I don't understand it.

I beg to differ. Rabinoz for one, I'm sure has been responsible for many potential flat earthers not becoming flat earthers, and many flat earthers abandoning the empty flat earth cult ideas. Prove he hasn't.

As "here to laugh at you" has rightly pointed out, the flat earth society also serves as a platform to get the truth out that the earth is not flat.

Furthermore, it acts as an educational platform for people with work backgrounds in physics or science, to post educational content in an attempt to educate. That education offers to break through some of the radicalisation with common sense.

There is a real danger for people buying into the flat earth idea and being radicalized. It's no different to ISIS recruiting it's members. Flat earth promises it's followers their life is not insignificant as they believe the globe earth model teaches it is.

Living your life as though the whole world is flat, for the most part is probably quite harmless, but do we have to sit back and wait for some nutjob extremist flat earther to sabotage a NASA spacecraft or attack a NASA employee and his/her family? Remember the Edmund Burke quote: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing." That is why longterm round earther posters like Rabinoz, are here.

What I don't understand, magellanclavicord, is if you only want to keep your head in the clouds with other like minded flat earth individuals, why not stay in the flat earth believers part of the forum? That's what it's there for and where your ideas are safe.

Why venture to this section, where the facts are scary, and where you know your belief structure will be challenged?
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on July 03, 2019, 05:53:45 PM
You want us to prove rabinoz hasn't done something?

"here to laugh at you" is one of those angry RE who is only here to troll.

The rest of your post is paranoid nonsense.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: FlatOrange on July 03, 2019, 05:58:52 PM
I've been wondering lately: Why do round-Earthers (REers) come to the Flat-Earth Society? A quote commonly attributed to Einstein (probably incorrectly) says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. REers come here (which is fine, it's an open forum) where they know they will find FEers, and they present the same old arguments over and over again. I don't think I've ever seen an original or new argument in favor of a RE. And I doubt that any FEer has ever been swayed over to the RE camp by these arguments. So why do they bother? I know why I'm here: To find like-minded people to have friendly chats with. But a REer on these forums must feel awfully frustrated. Why do they subject themselves to this? There must be more enjoyable ways to pass their free time than arguing with us incessantly. And yet they trudge on, never converting anyone, but keep up the same old Arguments day after day; year after year. I don't understand it.
I had some posts that I hadn't seen on here before. One involving a laser and a plumb bob. Sheep boy (can't remember the username) let me know that lasers don't travel 10 miles.

I have another "original idea" that I haven't seen carried out. Only problem is, FErs say I'm the one who should perform the experiment. Well, I'm not the one who thinks 7 billion people are wrong so I don't really care to execute it.

This is the plan: find somewhere on the ocean where you have tall mountains in the distance. Get a boat to head straight towards the mountains. Make a long timelapse of the approach. On a round earth the mountains should appear to rise up out of the water. On a flat earth which argues perspective causes the mountain to appear very small, the mountains would proportionally expand rather than appear to rise up.

Anyway, I stopped coming here because I have a facebook friend who lives in my town who is a flat-earther. I'd rather expend my ideas and energy on him rather than this board.

I do come back from time to time to update the board on The Conspiracy. If NASA, SpaceX, and the global space corporations are just painting us pictures and fancy space stories, they have a lot to live up to. Either way it should get exciting. I will welcome the FE lolz if in 20 years the carrot is still dangling in front of us Round Earthers about civilian space travel.

As far as your quote about Einstein and insanity, he clearly never used a computer. I often have to do the same thing over and over and get different results because computers are just that great. /s

EDIT: And I come back for Space Cowgirl; she's the best  ;D
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on July 03, 2019, 06:11:57 PM
Hello FlatOrange!
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 03, 2019, 06:44:39 PM
I've been wondering lately: Why do round-Earthers (REers) come to the Flat-Earth Society? A quote commonly attributed to Einstein (probably incorrectly) says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. REers come here (which is fine, it's an open forum) where they know they will find FEers, and they present the same old arguments over and over again. I don't think I've ever seen an original or new argument in favor of a RE. And I doubt that any FEer has ever been swayed over to the RE camp by these arguments. So why do they bother? I know why I'm here: To find like-minded people to have friendly chats with. But a REer on these forums must feel awfully frustrated. Why do they subject themselves to this? There must be more enjoyable ways to pass their free time than arguing with us incessantly. And yet they trudge on, never converting anyone, but keep up the same old Arguments day after day; year after year. I don't understand it.

I beg to differ. Rabinoz for one, I'm sure has been responsible for many potential flat earthers not becoming flat earthers, and many flat earthers abandoning the empty flat earth cult ideas. Prove he hasn't.

As "here to laugh at you" has rightly pointed out, the flat earth society also serves as a platform to get the truth out that the earth is not flat.

Furthermore, it acts as an educational platform for people with work backgrounds in physics or science, to post educational content in an attempt to educate. That education offers to break through some of the radicalisation with common sense.

There is a real danger for people buying into the flat earth idea and being radicalized. It's no different to ISIS recruiting it's members. Flat earth promises it's followers their life is not insignificant as they believe the globe earth model teaches it is.

Living your life as though the whole world is flat, for the most part is probably quite harmless, but do we have to sit back and wait for some nutjob extremist flat earther to sabotage a NASA spacecraft or attack a NASA employee and his/her family? Remember the Edmund Burke quote: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing." That is why longterm round earther posters like Rabinoz, are here.

What I don't understand, magellanclavicord, is if you only want to keep your head in the clouds with other like minded flat earth individuals, why not stay in the flat earth believers part of the forum? That's what it's there for and where your ideas are safe.

Why venture to this section, where the facts are scary, and where you know your belief structure will be challenged?

I like Rabinoz. He's calm and polite. I'm mostly wondering about some of the others, as Space Cowgirl mentioned: The angry ones.

Your notion that if people believe the Earth is flat they'll start assaulting NASA employees is ridiculous, and frankly rather offensive. There are nut-jobs attacking immigrants at the border, there are police murdering black kids, there are neo-Nazis and homophobes and racists attacking people, and on and on. I doubt there's a single instance of flat-Earthism driving anybody to an act of violence.

As for me, I'm not afraid to have my ideas challenged. I choose not to respond to people who insult or taunt me, but I read these threads more or less at random. (Not every thread because I don't spend that much time at the computer.) I actually find some of them entertaining. And if you've followed me (though I can't imagine why you would) you'll know that I reject the idea of a conspiracy and I reject the idea that the moon landings were a hoax. I see no contradiction between a flat Earth and space travel.

I do, however, feel that sending people to the moon, or Mars, or anywhere else off Earth, is a waste of resources we cannot afford, given the challenges of climate change, overpopulation, poverty, energy, and war. How many lives would have been saved if the money spent on Project Apollo had been used to alleviate poverty and resolve world conflicts peacefully?
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Smoke Machine on July 03, 2019, 07:58:02 PM
You want us to prove rabinoz hasn't done something?

"here to laugh at you" is one of those angry RE who is only here to troll.

The rest of your post is paranoid nonsense.

Yep, prove Rabinoz hasn't changed anybody's beliefs through his thousands of educational posts. Ofcourse he has. Oh, I'm sorry, did I just use a flat earth tactic to prove a negative, like prove the earth isn't flat? My bad.

Are you sure the rest of my post is paranoid nonsense? I know there are videos on YouTube where unhinged flat earthers childishly film themselves harassing famous astronauts and NASA employees.

Magellanclavicord, you seem to be an unusual exception to the rule. It doesn't make sense you can be a flat earther and also believe man landed on the moon.

You can't deny flat earthism can also lead proponents living a life where all authority, all education systems, all history, is not to be trusted and is full of lies. That can lead people to isolating themselves, not keeping up to date with news, and losing faith in humanity in general. That can be potentially dangerous to individuals.





Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 03, 2019, 09:03:23 PM
You want us to prove rabinoz hasn't done something?

"here to laugh at you" is one of those angry RE who is only here to troll.

The rest of your post is paranoid nonsense.

Yep, prove Rabinoz hasn't changed anybody's beliefs through his thousands of educational posts. Ofcourse he has. Oh, I'm sorry, did I just use a flat earth tactic to prove a negative, like prove the earth isn't flat? My bad.

Are you sure the rest of my post is paranoid nonsense? I know there are videos on YouTube where unhinged flat earthers childishly film themselves harassing famous astronauts and NASA employees.

Magellanclavicord, you seem to be an unusual exception to the rule. It doesn't make sense you can be a flat earther and also believe man landed on the moon.

You can't deny flat earthism can also lead proponents living a life where all authority, all education systems, all history, is not to be trusted and is full of lies. That can lead people to isolating themselves, not keeping up to date with news, and losing faith in humanity in general. That can be potentially dangerous to individuals.

If it were possible to list all the people who lead lives "where all authority, all education systems, all history, is not to be trusted and is full of lies." I think you would find that a vanishingly small percentage are flat-Earthers. It is a logical fallacy to assert that the Earth is round because some flat-Earthers are unhinged. The vast majority of unhinged people believe the Earth is round. None of this proves anything, except that your argument is off the mark.

I accept that it makes no sense TO YOU that I believe in the moon landings and also the flat Earth. But that's your problem, not mine. If I was trying to convince you of anything, this would be a problem for me. But I'm not, so it isn't. I am perfectly happy for you to believe something different than I do. In fact, diversity is a good thing. Once upon a time, long ago, we said it was important to tolerate people who are different than ourselves. But now we say that we should not merely tolerate, but celebrate diversity. I am glad the world is made up of so many different sorts of people. We are different colors and speak different languages, and follow different religions. And we have different views about the shape of the Earth. What a boring place it would be if we all believed the same thing.

There are, of course, FEers here who want to convince people to accept their beliefs. And there are FEers here who are just here because we find others like us here. And there are REers here who come to convince us we are wrong. I don't think there are any REers here who just come to chat with like-minded folks. That's what I think you might not grasp: Some of us are not trying to convince the REers of anything, and so we don't feel the need to justify ourselves to them.

I have been taunted by a couple of REers here who say things like "How can you possibly believe both X and Y? You must justify yourself to me" or words to that effect. They are wrong: I don't have to justify myself to anyone. They get angry at me because I won't argue with them! Why should I argue? I have nothing to prove to anyone. I'm sorry if they insist on giving themselves ulcers and raising their blood pressure. But I won't play that game.

I just fail to understand why people like that come here.

I thank you, though, for providing a possible answer: Perhaps they really think they are pulling people over to their side, and thereby saving them from darkness. I think it's unlikely, but I could be wrong. I just find it amusing to read the debate threads, those few I have read. They mostly seem to repeat exactly the same arguments around and around.

But I'm going on far too long.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on July 04, 2019, 12:49:06 AM

I just like talking to crazy people, hell, I was top of Wise's black-white list once (true!) until I foolishly tried to point out how crazy one of his ideas was, I generally stay where I feel comfortable and at home, which is low down in the fora as that is where the fun is.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 04, 2019, 07:00:59 AM

I just like talking to crazy people...

Hell, that could apply to being on any internet discussion board! ;D
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: turtles on July 04, 2019, 01:10:30 PM
https://xkcd.com/386/ (https://xkcd.com/386/)
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 04, 2019, 03:19:05 PM
It's like watching politics, like watching which democrat candidate can "out-left" the other candidates!

Entertainment, with a sprinkling of education.

Sorry Space Reverse Cowgirl, I am not the least bit angry!  ;D


That being said, the Earth is oblate spheroid.
Prove me wrong!
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 04, 2019, 03:36:18 PM
Why should we (re asshles) giuve you a reason for being here.
You havent conntributed to any discussion and instead produce these jimster level whine fests.

As far as i can see youve shot down tats in regards to rockets, made fun of danag with a webster ref, and there was something funny you said to sceptu that i cant seem to find usong seadch on my phone.

Jane does more to the discussion.

I tease and call you out because you provide no furthering knowledge.

But you at least put out some tidbits that are discussable in this thread.
Space travel is wrothwhile for the reason that nasa was at one point monitoring the worlds climate health.
And to play the devil/ thanos, if all those billions were spent ssving people, we would have more people.
Unfornuately for the unlucky, war pestilance and famine are the only things significantly helping the envirojment via population control.
Who was the 4th horseman?

Eitherway.
The "crazy" conspiraists youve chosen to label you have also labeled the genius level scientists as "stupid" to not know the difference between a ball and a plate.
So youve come to insult both sides.
Some one has already told you yo pick a lane.

But you chose to whine.
Keep on dodging.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 04, 2019, 05:47:10 PM
https://xkcd.com/386/ (https://xkcd.com/386/)

Classic!
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: broseph starvin on July 04, 2019, 09:17:12 PM
I've been wondering lately: Why do round-Earthers (REers) come to the Flat-Earth Society? A quote commonly attributed to Einstein (probably incorrectly) says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. REers come here (which is fine, it's an open forum) where they know they will find FEers, and they present the same old arguments over and over again. I don't think I've ever seen an original or new argument in favor of a RE. And I doubt that any FEer has ever been swayed over to the RE camp by these arguments. So why do they bother? I know why I'm here: To find like-minded people to have friendly chats with. But a REer on these forums must feel awfully frustrated. Why do they subject themselves to this? There must be more enjoyable ways to pass their free time than arguing with us incessantly. And yet they trudge on, never converting anyone, but keep up the same old Arguments day after day; year after year. I don't understand it.

It's my first day.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on July 05, 2019, 12:27:17 AM


Who was the 4th horseman?




Sky TV.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on July 05, 2019, 03:23:48 AM
I don't wonder why round earthers are here, I wonder why the really angry ones stay.

People love to complain and be angry. It makes them feel good.

Take a look at cfc: he pretends to be angry at me all the time, but everyone knows he secretly enjoys it.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 05, 2019, 07:08:30 AM
I've been wondering lately: Why do round-Earthers (REers) come to the Flat-Earth Society? A quote commonly attributed to Einstein (probably incorrectly) says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. REers come here (which is fine, it's an open forum) where they know they will find FEers, and they present the same old arguments over and over again. I don't think I've ever seen an original or new argument in favor of a RE. And I doubt that any FEer has ever been swayed over to the RE camp by these arguments. So why do they bother? I know why I'm here: To find like-minded people to have friendly chats with. But a REer on these forums must feel awfully frustrated. Why do they subject themselves to this? There must be more enjoyable ways to pass their free time than arguing with us incessantly. And yet they trudge on, never converting anyone, but keep up the same old Arguments day after day; year after year. I don't understand it.

It's my first day.

Welcome!

I don't wonder why round earthers are here, I wonder why the really angry ones stay.

People love to complain and be angry. It makes them feel good.

Yeah, I guess you're right. Sigh!
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: FlatOrange on July 05, 2019, 09:37:54 AM
Hello FlatOrange!
Hello!! *waves emphatically*
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 05, 2019, 11:39:03 AM
Hello FlatOrange!
Hello!! *waves emphatically*

Hi. FlatOrange!
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: dutchy on July 05, 2019, 01:06:43 PM
It's like watching politics, like watching which democrat candidate can "out-left" the other candidates!

Entertainment, with a sprinkling of education.

Sorry Space Reverse Cowgirl, I am not the least bit angry!  ;D


That being said, the Earth is oblate spheroid.
Prove me wrong!
Uhh may i interrupt ?
One of your overlords claimed that ignorant people still claim the earth is an oblate spheroid, while in fact it's pear shaped... a little chubbier under the equator.

And you wonder why your guitar solo's sucks ? Because you rush the original.. this 'okayish is good enough' attitude you display on a constant basis.
So no... i really have to correct you again.. calling earth an 'oblade spheroid' was yesterdays nametag in globeland......it's pearshaped now !
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: rabinoz on July 05, 2019, 02:17:33 PM
That being said, the Earth is oblate spheroid.
Prove me wrong!
Uhh may i interrupt ?
One of your overlords claimed that ignorant people still claim the earth is an oblate spheroid, while in fact it's pear shaped... a little chubbier under the equator.
Dutchy, may I interrupt? Not that I'd bother waiting for permission from an ignorant upstart like you.

No overlord "claimed that ignorant people still claim the earth is an oblate spheroid".

Quote from: dutchy
So no... i really have to correct you again.. calling earth an 'oblade spheroid' was yesterdays nametag in globeland......it's pearshaped now !
Don't bother! , a little ignorant person like you knows far too little ob a topic to be trying to correct anybody!

You and other ignorant people fail to realise that the geoid is with a hundred metres of being a perfect oblate spheroid and for the 12,742 km diameter earth that's very close.
Quote
The geoid is the shape that the surface of the oceans would take under the influence of Earth's gravitation and rotation alone, in the absence of other influences such as winds and tides.

So, butt out with you pretensions of great knowledge!

PS Neil de Grasse Tyson is nobody's overlord but he does know so much more on topics like this that you'd be well advised to follow this advice:
      (http://images.gr-assets.com/authors/1322103868p8/1244.jpg)
“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”


― Mark Twain


Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 05, 2019, 02:32:52 PM
If RE'ers didn't come here, what would you FE'ers talk about.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 05, 2019, 03:20:13 PM
Oblate vs more oblate on one side - is still oblate.
Another Dutchy Dont Understand.
But thats ok.
Because some lay person said somethibg incorrect, that measn all the scientists are wrong.

Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 05, 2019, 03:21:07 PM
Still would be nice to have a discussion with mage.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 05, 2019, 05:12:15 PM
If RE'ers didn't come here, what would you FE'ers talk about.

We'd talk about hiking and R/C model airplanes and we'd exchange recipes and we'd argue about Apple vs. Windows vs. Linux and we'd whether C/D equals pi or phew (I say it's pi, because after all, nothing's more American than apple pi) and we'd talk about politics. We'd also discuss whether flying saucers are piloted by space aliens or undersiders, and whether there's actually an underside or whether the earth goes all the way down or is balanced on a stack of turtles a la Yurtle the Turtle and whether Yurtle was really king of all he surveyed or if there was a taller stack of turtles just behind him. We'd discuss the differences between turtles and tortoises. We'd wax eloquent on the music of Bach and Mozart and debate whether Beethoven was a great composer because of, or in spite of, his father's cruelty. We'd discuss cabbages and kings and whether it's cruel to eat oysters after being introduced to one. Of course we'd argue about politics because it's a hard topic to avoid when you've got a baboon as your head of state. And we'd argue about religion because there's always someone who brings up the subject. Maybe we'd discuss why so many religions think God loves us when we have so much evidence to the contrary in the form of the unfathomable suffering in the world. We might even have time to work out the meaning of life: Is it exactly 42, or is it 41.99999999999999997654876475...?

I think we'd have plenty to talk about if you weren't here. But that doesn't mean we don't like you or don't want you here. I admit that it gets tiring when someone gets so fixated on me that he keeps demanding answers to questions I have admitted over and over again I have no answers for. (I have no answers for most questions, which, I think, makes me just like everyone else.) But even then, hey, diversity is a wonderful thing. And sometimes a person just has to tolerate a bit of taunting and ignore it.

Yeah, we'd have plenty to talk about. We might even talk about FET because in the FES there are people with many different FETs. So much detail to figure out.

In my OP I was just wondering why REers come here, and I think I got some good answers in this thread.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 05, 2019, 05:53:29 PM
Because your views are interesting and i want to know how you came to find these views.
As you said - whats life without divesity.
But you want ot remain mysterious.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 05, 2019, 06:16:19 PM
Because your views are interesting and i want to know how you came to find these views.
As you said - whats life without divesity.
But you want ot remain mysterious.

Breaking my rule just to say: I got tired of the taunts and the hostility. I don't need that. I do wish you all the best. But we have nothing to discuss.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 05, 2019, 07:56:37 PM
Ha
Lame
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 05, 2019, 08:21:41 PM
You seem to think I have an obligation to answer your questions or even to talk to you. Wrong. Plenty of folks here are happy to argue with you. I don't understand your fixation on me.

Okay, back to not responding.  :-*
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: FlatOrange on July 05, 2019, 09:55:57 PM
Hello FlatOrange!
Hello!! *waves emphatically*

Hi. FlatOrange!

Hello magellanclavichord!! Nice to meet you!  ;D
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Smoke Machine on July 05, 2019, 11:50:56 PM
Magellanclavicord, this is a flat earth forum where flat earth principles are discussed. If you want to discuss macrame, or recipes for chicken soup, maybe you'll find what you're looking for in the lounge?

As for the topic, I never suggested all people who believe the earth to be flat to be unhinged. But, the unhinged ones do tend to draw attention and have extreme hatred towards NASA. I totally agree there are more unhinged individuals in the world who believe the earth is a globe.

The danger with flat earth belief though, is that normally excludes one from participating in current world affairs. How can a flat earther engage in open discussion about the international space station, space travel, the moon, moon landings, fear of asteroids, the earth's relationship with the sun and moon, without there being disbelief? North Korea's long range nuclear missile capability, is radically changed between the accepted globe earth model and any flat earth model. How the hell does a flat earther explain tectonic plates, earth quakes, and tidal waves.

These are real life events which happen and are explained through understanding the earth as a globe.

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also. The argument it is just diversity in belief, is a bit incorrect when you start looking more into it.

That's why having round earthers here isn't necessarily a bad thing.


Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: dutchy on July 06, 2019, 12:09:22 AM
Dutchy, may I interrupt? Not that I'd bother waiting for permission from an ignorant upstart like you.

So, butt out with you pretensions of great knowledge!

PS Neil de Grasse Tyson is nobody's overlord but he does know so much more
O yes .... what did i read in another topic ?
Rabinoz putting totallylacky in his place by claiming Sandokan had an infinitive amount of knowledge compared to the former.
I read many posts where rabinoz corrected Sandokan , claiming the latter simply was a misguided person failing to grasp the very fundamentals of science.

Ahhhh what great privilege is this that the ‘ ancient one called rabinoz ’ takes the time to correct silly me.
Rabinoz who is from the beginning, gazing over the Greek see to confirm what he knows for thousends of years and more....


Your arrogance has no limitation.... has it ?
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: rabinoz on July 06, 2019, 12:50:11 AM
Rabinoz who is from the beginning, gazing over the Greek see to confirm what he knows for thousends of years and more....
Or so your own fantasy says but the Greeks just started it and the evidence found since fits the Globe and not a Pancake Planet.

Quote from: dutchy
Your arrogance has no limitation.... has it ?
Since you seem to have nothing but your arrogance to support your fiction maybe I could borrow, "Your arrogance has no limitation....?".
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Tom Foolery on July 06, 2019, 12:59:02 AM
This thread brings up a couple thought provoking topics.

Someone asked what FEr's would talk about if no REr's came here. Just look in the FE Believers section, it looks like they wouldn't talk about much. Some of them post long monologues there but I suspect even those would dwindle down if there was no REr's against which to make arguments.


But back to the more direct question, why do round earther's bother showing up and interacting --  this is naturally a question I asked myself many times.

For me personally, it started when a friend said to me "Hey the earth is flat! Gravity does not exist!" of course I was like "Of course it's not flat, of course gravity exists."

Then I realized I had no direct evidence to prove him incorrect.

So I wanted to check into it more. Being an inquisitive person, I asked him more questions.
He had no answers, but referred me to Mark Sargent, so I watched hundreds of hours of mark sargent videos over several months, trying to find answers. He didn't seem to have a lot of answers and teaches the idea that everything we see in the sky is just a 3D projection such as the sun, moon, planets, and stars.

So I began trying to learn as much as I could bout FE and meta-FE (i.e. what the belief was and how seriously the believers believed it themselves.)

I also began trying different experiments.
I performed the cavendish experiment, and found there to be an attractive force between lead weights which was not magnetic and not electric. It was in the ballpark for gravity.

I also got a theodolite (like what surveyors use) and measured some mountains and found that the height of a mountain drops off non-linearly with distance -- my measurements came out quite close to 8 inches per mile squared, which is a good approximation for the generally accepted shape of the generally spherical earth theory.

I continue to perform experiments and learn as much as I can about the topic.

At the same time, I care about people and it makes me sad if they are believing a lie and shutting out their friends because their friends don't also believe the earth is flat.

In fact my friend who introduced me to flat earth was very unhappy with me when I showed him how I'd measured the height of a distant mountain with a theodolite and got a reading that fit the globe earth theory.

So I come here to help potential flat earther's see that there are problems with the theory to prevent them from falling hook line and sinker, and to also help flat earther's see that there's problems so they aren't so fanatic and maybe work them back to a better understanding of observable reality.

At this point, I'm finding that the majority of the evidence points to  globe earth, and that flat earth claims are mostly incoherent.

I've also found that a lot of the highly experienced flat earthers seem afraid of the truth, afraid that if they look at all the evidence they may have to abandon their theory.

And look. If you'd measured the height of a distant mountain with a real surveyor's theodolite, and it agreed with your world-shape-view, wouldn't you want to tell people who believed it was a different shape?

And look at it the other way - if someone measured and found the world to be a shape different than you believed, wouldn't you want to know?

I sure would want to know if I was wrong!

I couldn't care less what shape the world is. As long as I correctly know what shape it is.

If my measurements show it to be flat, I'll be the happiest flat earther there is. If they show it to be a globe, again, I'll be the happiest glober there is.

But for now, I'm still on the search for the single very best evidence of a flat earth I can find! So far I have not found even one good one!
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 06, 2019, 04:06:20 AM
There's a thread in the FE believers forum just for complaining about RE members!

Statred by the King of angry flatties, wise!

So, without the RE component, this may as well be a knitting forum. Or perhaps a crocodile vs alligator forum, since dutchwad would likely still be involved.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 06, 2019, 05:57:11 AM
You seem to think I have an obligation to answer your questions or even to talk to you. Wrong. Plenty of folks here are happy to argue with you. I don't understand your fixation on me.

Okay, back to not responding.  :-*

There is no obligation or owing of any kind.
Youre on a discussion forum.
The fixation is because you are a new interesting person.
You dont need to convince me of anything
I dont need to convince you of anything.
Its a discussion and exhanging of ideas.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 06, 2019, 08:32:23 AM
Hello FlatOrange!
Hello!! *waves emphatically*

Hi. FlatOrange!

Hello magellanclavichord!! Nice to meet you!  ;D

Likewise!

Magellanclavicord, this is a flat earth forum where flat earth principles are discussed. If you want to discuss macrame, or recipes for chicken soup, maybe you'll find what you're looking for in the lounge?

As for the topic, I never suggested all people who believe the earth to be flat to be unhinged. But, the unhinged ones do tend to draw attention and have extreme hatred towards NASA. I totally agree there are more unhinged individuals in the world who believe the earth is a globe.

The danger with flat earth belief though, is that normally excludes one from participating in current world affairs. How can a flat earther engage in open discussion about the international space station, space travel, the moon, moon landings, fear of asteroids, the earth's relationship with the sun and moon, without there being disbelief? North Korea's long range nuclear missile capability, is radically changed between the accepted globe earth model and any flat earth model. How the hell does a flat earther explain tectonic plates, earth quakes, and tidal waves.

These are real life events which happen and are explained through understanding the earth as a globe.

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also. The argument it is just diversity in belief, is a bit incorrect when you start looking more into it.

That's why having round earthers here isn't necessarily a bad thing.

All of which is why I try to convince my fellow flat-Earthers that all that stuff is real: Gravity and space and the moon landings. And I try to convince my fellow flat-Earthers that NASA is actually what it seems to be: Not an evil cabal with nefarious purposes, but just an agency that launches satellites and takes pictures of weather patterns, etc. And that earthquakes and tsunamis and plate tectonics and climate change are all real. And that scientists are not lying to us.

Both sides think there's something wrong with me but I plod on.  :)

And thank you for your very thoughtful answer to the question in my OP.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: dutchy on July 06, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
There's a thread in the FE believers forum just for complaining about RE members!

Statred by the King of angry flatties, wise!

So, without the RE component, this may as well be a knitting forum. Or perhaps a crocodile vs alligator forum, since dutchwad would likely still be involved.
Look a liitle gift my funny friend.....
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Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 06, 2019, 12:16:28 PM
Hello FlatOrange!
Hello!! *waves emphatically*

Hi. FlatOrange!

Hello magellanclavichord!! Nice to meet you!  ;D

Likewise!

Magellanclavicord, this is a flat earth forum where flat earth principles are discussed. If you want to discuss macrame, or recipes for chicken soup, maybe you'll find what you're looking for in the lounge?

As for the topic, I never suggested all people who believe the earth to be flat to be unhinged. But, the unhinged ones do tend to draw attention and have extreme hatred towards NASA. I totally agree there are more unhinged individuals in the world who believe the earth is a globe.

The danger with flat earth belief though, is that normally excludes one from participating in current world affairs. How can a flat earther engage in open discussion about the international space station, space travel, the moon, moon landings, fear of asteroids, the earth's relationship with the sun and moon, without there being disbelief? North Korea's long range nuclear missile capability, is radically changed between the accepted globe earth model and any flat earth model. How the hell does a flat earther explain tectonic plates, earth quakes, and tidal waves.

These are real life events which happen and are explained through understanding the earth as a globe.

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also. The argument it is just diversity in belief, is a bit incorrect when you start looking more into it.

That's why having round earthers here isn't necessarily a bad thing.

All of which is why I try to convince my fellow flat-Earthers that all that stuff is real: Gravity and space and the moon landings. And I try to convince my fellow flat-Earthers that NASA is actually what it seems to be: Not an evil cabal with nefarious purposes, but just an agency that launches satellites and takes pictures of weather patterns, etc. And that earthquakes and tsunamis and plate tectonics and climate change are all real. And that scientists are not lying to us.

Both sides think there's something wrong with me but I plod on.  :)

And thank you for your very thoughtful answer to the question in my OP.

Intetesting you feel the need to convince or disucss with fe about whats wrong with their views on the world.
Yet if an re does it, well thats not right at all.
And i could have a civil conversation but you chose to dodgedodge and deflect.
So i call you out on it.
Especially if you make absurd compairson between dumplongs vs tortilkas.

So plod on allyou like, but would be nice as a participat on a dicussion forum, to actually discuss something.

If scientists arent lying, how can one misunderstand a ball from a plate?
Ort how does one conclude flatness despite lack of any scientific material showing flatness?
You know why you think it.
Just say it.
And we can get jane to add you to the theory pile.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 06, 2019, 02:05:57 PM
There's a thread in the FE believers forum just for complaining about RE members!

Statred by the King of angry flatties, wise!

So, without the RE component, this may as well be a knitting forum. Or perhaps a crocodile vs alligator forum, since dutchwad would likely still be involved.

So because one rather immature FEer complains about REers (and BTW, he complains about FEers also) you conclude that without REers this would be a knitting forum? That's kind of silly. But of course, as I've said over and over, everybody's welcome here regardless of what shape they think the Earth is. And some people are here to debate and others are here for other reasons. It's all good. We are the 1%. That is, the 1% of the internet that's neither porn nor cat videos.  ;)
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Copper Knickers on July 07, 2019, 03:25:53 AM
I've been wondering lately: Why do round-Earthers (REers) come to the Flat-Earth Society? A quote commonly attributed to Einstein (probably incorrectly) says that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. REers come here (which is fine, it's an open forum) where they know they will find FEers, and they present the same old arguments over and over again. I don't think I've ever seen an original or new argument in favor of a RE. And I doubt that any FEer has ever been swayed over to the RE camp by these arguments. So why do they bother? I know why I'm here: To find like-minded people to have friendly chats with. But a REer on these forums must feel awfully frustrated. Why do they subject themselves to this? There must be more enjoyable ways to pass their free time than arguing with us incessantly. And yet they trudge on, never converting anyone, but keep up the same old Arguments day after day; year after year. I don't understand it.

A question that gets asked a fair bit. I suspect most come here because, like me, they were curious as to how these people could think the earth is flat. It turns out, with one or two possible exceptions, that they don't. Most 'FEers' here are role-playing, here for the debate. That's why they're not chatting to themselves in the FE only forum. You could argue that the REers are here for the same reason, i.e. debate. Though I suspect quite a few are fooled by the 'FEers'.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Unconvinced on July 07, 2019, 06:54:05 AM

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also.

Can I just add climate change (aka global warming).
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on July 07, 2019, 07:54:49 AM

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also.

Can I just add climate change (aka global warming).

No, earthquakes, tsunamis, and climate change are observable. I've never heard of a warning for a meteor shower, are they supposed to be dangerous?
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 07, 2019, 08:15:38 AM

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also.

Can I just add climate change (aka global warming).

No, earthquakes, tsunamis, and climate change are observable. I've never heard of a warning for a meteor shower, are they supposed to be dangerous?

The Chelyabinsk meteor caused some injuries, but there was no warning because it was too small to be detected in advance. Interestingly, most of the injuries were from breaking window glass: People saw the flash of light and ran to their windows to see what it was, and when the shock wave hit it broke windows and the people looking out were cut by the flying glass.

The regular meteor showers are composed of tiny particles that never get anywhere close to the ground. NASA tracks objects that might hit the Earth and are large enough to wipe out a city or end civilization. None have been found that could hit the Earth in the next few hundred years.

As for earthquakes, nobody has figured out how to predict those yet.

A few FEers are conspiracy buffs who think that "everything is a lie" but it seems more likely that they come to flat Earth by way of their conspiracy mind set, and not the other way around.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Unconvinced on July 07, 2019, 09:15:30 AM

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also.

Can I just add climate change (aka global warming).

No, earthquakes, tsunamis, and climate change are observable. I've never heard of a warning for a meteor shower, are they supposed to be dangerous?

“Showers” of little ones aren’t.  Bigger ones are a serious threat.

Remember this?



I don’t think there were serious injuries that time, but if it had come in at a different angle and hit the ground instead of exploding in the atmosphere it would have been bad. Obviously the bigger the rock, the more damage it could do as well.

That’s why people are hard at work cataloguing and calculating orbits for as many that cross our path as they can.  Hopefully, if there’s any big risks out there, they’ll be spotted in time for us to do something about.

As for global (flatal?) warming.  Monitoring the situation involves satellites, models, projections and the whole science of trying to understand it as well as possible based on heliocentric system.

Flat Earth ideas would make a nonsense out of all that.  As well as potentially just degrading public faith in established science.

There’s a multi trillion dollar industry that would like us to believe we can carry on much as we do now.  I wouldn’t be surprised if we eventually find some of their fingerprints on the flat earth movement. 

That’s just idol speculation.  But no worse than flat earthers conspiracy tendencies.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 07, 2019, 10:18:52 AM
There's a thread in the FE believers forum just for complaining about RE members!

Statred by the King of angry flatties, wise!

So, without the RE component, this may as well be a knitting forum. Or perhaps a crocodile vs alligator forum, since dutchwad would likely still be involved.

So because one rather immature FEer complains about REers (and BTW, he complains about FEers also) you conclude that without REers this would be a knitting forum? That's kind of silly. But of course, as I've said over and over, everybody's welcome here regardless of what shape they think the Earth is. And some people are here to debate and others are here for other reasons. It's all good. We are the 1%. That is, the 1% of the internet that's neither porn nor cat videos.  ;)

Yes, without RE here to call you flatties out on your incredible bullshirt, this would be no different than a knitting forum.

one big uninterrupted circle-jerk!
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Unconvinced on July 07, 2019, 10:25:14 AM

Yes, without RE here to call you flatties out on your incredible bullshirt, this would be no different than a knitting forum.

one big uninterrupted circle-jerk!

I think many people would be upset at your comparison of knitting to a circle jerk.

I for one will not be accepting any more hand made scarves or socks for Christmas.
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: magellanclavichord on July 07, 2019, 12:05:29 PM

I mean if flat earthers think everything is a lie, do they not heed earthquake warnings, tsunamis,  meteor showers, until it's too late? An asteroid warning might sound ridiculous to the flat earther who do not believe in space.

It can be a dangerous belief in that sense also.

Can I just add climate change (aka global warming).

No, earthquakes, tsunamis, and climate change are observable. I've never heard of a warning for a meteor shower, are they supposed to be dangerous?

“Showers” of little ones aren’t.  Bigger ones are a serious threat.

Remember this?



I don’t think there were serious injuries that time, but if it had come in at a different angle and hit the ground instead of exploding in the atmosphere it would have been bad. Obviously the bigger the rock, the more damage it could do as well.

That’s why people are hard at work cataloguing and calculating orbits for as many that cross our path as they can.  Hopefully, if there’s any big risks out there, they’ll be spotted in time for us to do something about.

As for global (flatal?) warming.  Monitoring the situation involves satellites, models, projections and the whole science of trying to understand it as well as possible based on heliocentric system.

Flat Earth ideas would make a nonsense out of all that.  As well as potentially just degrading public faith in established science.

There’s a multi trillion dollar industry that would like us to believe we can carry on much as we do now.  I wouldn’t be surprised if we eventually find some of their fingerprints on the flat earth movement. 

That’s just idol speculation.  But no worse than flat earthers conspiracy tendencies.

As I noted above, there was no warning before the Chelyabinsk meteor. So your argument about heeding meteor warnings is moot.

As for FE influence in climate change denial, the oil companies and their political allies, including the baboon in the White House, are all round-Earthers. Claiming that FE is responsible for climate change denial is preposterous. You'd be better off sticking to factual arguments than claiming that FET is wrong because it might lead to silly behavior. If that argument were valid, we could argue that RET is wrong because REers start wars and were responsible for slavery and homophobia, and every horrible dictator in the past two hundred years was a round-Earther. See how your argument backfires?
Title: Re: What's the deal with REers here?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 07, 2019, 06:07:33 PM
What factual argmunet would there be for flat earth to be right?