# The Flat Earth Society

## Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: KotaDaGeneral on June 12, 2019, 11:44:44 AM

Title: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: KotaDaGeneral on June 12, 2019, 11:44:44 AM
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If the Earth is flat, why does the sun seem to disappear?

The argument that the sun goes under the flat earth is invalid because if that was true.. there would be a moment in time where nobody has sun.. but there's always an area on the earth where the sun is shining. You can literally go on any beach/ocean floor and observe this for yourself. So I'm confused  how is the earth flat?

The only valid explanation for this is that the earth is orbiting around the sun.. I don't understand why yall are even arguing with these FEers when all u need is simple evidence such as this to debunk everything they say.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 12, 2019, 12:16:12 PM
Simply denied. It is possible you can see its being same radius, half radius or quarter radius depends on your point of view. So you are a flat earther after now. Wellcome to the flat earth society.

Next!
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: KotaDaGeneral on June 12, 2019, 12:36:34 PM
I watched the whole video.. and what u said doesn't prove anything. you're trying to argue that the sun goes below the horizon line and starts turning right. But if u look in the comment section of that video many people quickly debunk that. There are even instances where the sun turns left.

https://ibb.co/1bbrQtQ
https://ibb.co/1MMr5nw
https://ibb.co/c8mdp33

These three screenshots literally debunk that whole video. Sorry, the earth isn't flat.

Also, if the earth was truly flat why would the sun even dip below the horizon line in the first place? it's supposed to be a FLAT surface right? The reason you can start to see the sun more at a different point of view is strictly because of curvature.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 12, 2019, 12:42:18 PM
I watched the whole video.. and what u said doesn't prove anything. you're trying to argue that the sun goes below the horizon line and starts turning right. But if u look in the comment section of that video many people quickly debunk that. There are even instances where the sun turns left.

It proves I can deny your "Undeniable" proof argument. Your argument was a photo and this was a video. At least, stronger than yours. You have to respect to the scientific method. Otherwise you lose your scientific thoughs.

The people whose made comment did not debunk it. They have just "claimed" they have debunk it. Claiming to debunk it does not magically debunk it.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 12, 2019, 12:45:12 PM
It is flat, your agreing or denying the facts do not changes those facts.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: KotaDaGeneral on June 12, 2019, 12:57:50 PM
I've been doing a lot of reading on this forum.. and you literally lose every argument. You dodge questions and facts and proof. Did you even take your time to read the screenshot? Because the screenshot linked 2 videos with literal proof of what the comment was saying.. So.. your point?
The earth is a sphere.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: KotaDaGeneral on June 12, 2019, 01:05:52 PM
The sun is supposed to always be above the flat earth, spinning in circles to the right correct? If that was true how can the sun even go over the horizon? You can literally see the sun go down as it changes from a day to night cycle..
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 12, 2019, 01:14:42 PM
I've been doing a lot of reading on this forum.. and you literally lose every argument. You dodge questions and facts and proof. Did you even take your time to read the screenshot? Because the screenshot linked 2 videos with literal proof of what the comment was saying.. So.. your point?
The earth is a sphere.

Nope. I have won literally every argument. They have just talking more than me because of numerical advantage and ends with their talking. They are making extraordinary performance for end all discussing with their last talking and claiming they have won the discussing. Their claiming them won a debate does not make them magically winner or me a loser. You are literally talking baseless like all other angry globularists here.

I thought you were different but you prove you are same. If I will not reply you again so will you think I have lost this argument? Sounds like you will. But you are absolutely the loser of this argument. Because I have proved I can deny you and I denied your argument. Now time for you talk forever and claim your magically being the winner of this argument.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: KotaDaGeneral on June 12, 2019, 01:20:31 PM
You once again dodged all my important questions. And made a whole paragraph essay on how you've actually won all ur arguments.. when you've clearly haven't. You're proving my point more and more. I can go through threads and threads, every single time someone with a brain like me, makes a good argument on why the earth is sphere shaped, you completely dodge the question and find something else irrelevant to rebuttal.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: KotaDaGeneral on June 12, 2019, 01:46:10 PM
Simply denied. It is possible you can see its being same radius, half radius or quarter radius depends on your point of view.

I'm gonna completely destroy this quote.. In that video the horizon is closer to the camera than it is to the sun. Sea level would be the horizon If the earth is supposed to be flat , why would the sun even cross the horizon if the sun is supposed to orbit around the earths north pole rotating right as u FEers propose? If the earth is flat why would the sun disappear at Horizon Level? Yes if you go straight up you will see the sun but that is strictly because of horizon distance. If you go straight up you are no longer on the horizon. Standing on the horizon the sun will seem to disappear. Even if it really didn't disappear it already crossed the horizon line which already contradicts a flat earth theory.

Also.. If you don't believe in gravity, can u explain water tides?
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Themightykabool on June 12, 2019, 01:50:33 PM
I've been doing a lot of reading on this forum.. and you literally lose every argument. You dodge questions and facts and proof.

aaaaahahaha
new guy did his homework
Title: Re: Irrefutable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 12, 2019, 02:06:41 PM
Simply denied. It is possible you can see its being same radius, half radius or quarter radius depends on your point of view.
We have been over this plenty of times.
We can't see the sun change size here. What we can see is the amount of glare changing.

Remember before when you posted something quite similar?
By your reasoning, if the sun goes behind a cloud it magically shrinks, while in reality, all that happens is the glare is reduced.
By your reasoning, if the sun rises from behind a mountain, it will magically jump in front of the mountain, while in reality all that happens is the glare increases to cover the mountain.

If you use an appropriate filter (i.e. one which removes glare) then the sun remains roughly the same size at all times.
If you view the moon instead where you don't have the issue of glare, it remains roughly the same size at all times.

Yes, you can easily deny it. You can deny anything, even rock solid proof. You can even deny your own existence.
What you can't do is refute it. And that is what is important.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 12, 2019, 02:37:35 PM
Yes, you can easily deny it.

You have debunked the Op'r. Thank you.  :)

Because he said this being "undeniable proof". I aware you want to correct it as "irrefutable proof" but it is too late too change. Stop to manipulating.

I don't need to answer the Op'r anymore, there is their master here, aka Jackinoz.  :)
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: rabinoz on June 12, 2019, 02:57:38 PM
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If the Earth is flat, why does the sun seem to disappear?

The argument that the sun goes under the flat earth is invalid because if that was true.. there would be a moment in time where nobody has sun.. but there's always an area on the earth where the sun is shining. You can literally go on any beach/ocean floor and observe this for yourself. So I'm confused  how is the earth flat?

The only valid explanation for this is that the earth is orbiting around the sun.. I don't understand why yall are even arguing with these FEers when all u need is simple evidence such as this to debunk everything they say.
Thanks for the compliment.
I took them at Karumba on the Gulf of Carpentaria in North Queensland and 6:25:02 and 6:25:29 pm on the 8th of September 2007 ;D. See if TimeAndDate.com agree.
I see and take photos like this:
 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/agflgl8bz3xhwfl/LHG-0693%20-%20Sunset%20Karumba%2020070808%2006.25.02%2C%20300%20mm.jpg?dl=1)LHG-0693 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.02, 300 mm (https://www.dropbox.com/s/y3l9fm2orxrluxn/LHG-0697%20-%20Sunset%20Karumba%2020070808%2006.25.29%2C%20300%20mm.JPG?dl=1)LHG-0697 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.29, 300 mm
And I naturally think that the sun is really being hidden behind something, the horizon.
I posted them for exactly the same reason and I've yet to see wise or anyone else explain that without dragging in quite unsupported hypothothese and "bendy light" of various forms.
Title: Re: Irrefutable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 12, 2019, 03:29:20 PM
You have debunked the Op'r. Thank you.  :)
All you have done is shown that you can deny reality.
You haven't debunked the argument presented, just denied it.

So do you just want to focus on the fact that you can deny anything rather than trying to refute the argument, i.e. portray FE as just denial of reality?

If so, make sure you just say that you have denied it as you have done no debunking.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Googleotomy on June 12, 2019, 04:57:19 PM
I watched the whole video.. and what u said doesn't prove anything. you're trying to argue that the sun goes below the horizon line and starts turning right. But if u look in the comment section of that video many people quickly debunk that. There are even instances where the sun turns left.

https://ibb.co/1bbrQtQ
https://ibb.co/1MMr5nw
https://ibb.co/c8mdp33

These three screenshots literally debunk that whole video. Sorry, the earth isn't flat.

Also, if the earth was truly flat why would the sun even dip below the horizon line in the first place? it's supposed to be a FLAT surface right? The reason you can start to see the sun more at a different point of view is strictly because of curvature.
And FE says that the sun and Moon are always at an altitude of 3000 miles above the flat surface of the flat Earth.*
If that was so, how could they ever even go below the horizon ?

And anyone who has ever been to sea or watched a sunset from a shore knows that the sun does not appear to get smaller but appears to sink below the horizon . And if you would do a little studying on the subject you would find that was due to the rotation of the earth and the curvature of the earth. This is one of the most observable proofs that the earth is round.

*Except when the moon " wobbles up and down " to avoid a collision with the sun ROFLOL !
Title: Re: Irrefutable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Googleotomy on June 12, 2019, 05:07:28 PM
You have debunked the Op'r. Thank you.  :)
All you have done is shown that you can deny reality.
You haven't debunked the argument presented, just denied it.

So do you just want to focus on the fact that you can deny anything rather than trying to refute the argument, i.e. portray FE as just denial of reality?

If so, make sure you just say that you have denied it as you have done no debunking.

I think you have described his problem exactly. :
Denial of reality
Completely, that is !
???
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Mikey T. on June 12, 2019, 07:54:18 PM
It's a mental disorder.  Narrow minded people who flock to conspiracy theories are more likely deny things that highlights how wrong their world view is.  they also are more prone to derail threads or leap into racist or derogatory comments since they simply do not understand the basic details of normal conversations.  Wise/Brotherhood of the Dome is a prime example of this.
By the way, quite simply, sunset/sunrise is one thing that absolutely does not work on ANY flat earth model.  There is no flat Earth model that can describe what we see in reality, they need multiple "models" to call on to try to hand wave away specific arguments.  Even good old Globebusters somehow got ahold of \$20,000 to purchase equipment that just did nothing but disprove all flat Earth models that try to explain the apparent movement of the Sun across the Sky.

Lets make it easy, provide a model that explains sunsets/sunrises, while explaining the Sun not changing angular size or its speed, and the Southern and Northern circumpolar star paths all at the same time.  It is super simple with a spheroid heliocentric solar system model that we observe as reality.  The fact that you can't do that is undeniable proof that the flat Earth notion is absolutely stupid.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: rabinoz on June 13, 2019, 12:35:14 AM
It's a mental disorder.  Narrow minded people who flock to conspiracy theories are more likely deny things that highlights how wrong their world view is.  they also are more prone to derail threads or leap into racist or derogatory comments since they simply do not understand the basic details of normal conversations.  Wise/Brotherhood of the Dome is a prime example of this.
By the way, quite simply, sunset/sunrise is one thing that absolutely does not work on ANY flat earth model.  There is no flat Earth model that can describe what we see in reality, they need multiple "models" to call on to try to hand wave away specific arguments.  Even good old Globebusters somehow got ahold of \$20,000 to purchase equipment that just did nothing but disprove all flat Earth models that try to explain the apparent movement of the Sun across the Sky.

Lets make it easy, provide a model that explains sunsets/sunrises, while explaining the Sun not changing angular size or its speed, and the Southern and Northern circumpolar star paths all at the same time.  It is super simple with a spheroid heliocentric solar system model that we observe as reality.  The fact that you can't do that is undeniable proof that the flat Earth notion is absolutely stupid.
Just when you thought things couldn't get any more weird  ;):
Some YouTube Flat-Earthers now claim that they have a Perfect Flat-Earth Model and it's Google Earth ;)!
I haven't got their video yet but here's Fight the Flat Earth's treatment of it:

Presenting, the worlds first Flat Earth Model! Fight the Flat Earth

And BlueMarbleScience's treatment of it:

Jerk Alert Part 3 by BlueMarbleScience
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 12:58:30 AM
You have debunked the Op'r. Thank you.  :)
All you have done is shown that you can deny reality.
You haven't debunked the argument presented, just denied it.

So do you just want to focus on the fact that you can deny anything rather than trying to refute the argument, i.e. portray FE as just denial of reality?

If so, make sure you just say that you have denied it as you have done no debunking.

Nope. Sto to baseless claims. I can deny the reality, you can deny the reality, everybody can reality. The argument here its being undeniable and you have proven its opposite. So why don't you discuss with Op'er about its not being undeniable but irrefutable (in your opinion) instead discuss it to me and change your replies topic as "irrefutable?". Why so hypocricy?

You have to know when and what is your interlocutor. In your appealing of I can deny everything you have a problem with oper, not with me but asking op'ers mistake's account from me. You are definitely behaving somebody motivated only follow me but not the facts around you.

Again, You have two times told I have denied the OP so you are insisting I have debunked the Op'er because He has claimed its being undeniable. So you have debunked the oper. So why don't you tell him your debunking him? Why are you afraiding for? Are you afraiding to write somebody to KotaDaGeneral? Do not fear of people. get fear being ridiculous, like you are so now.  ;D

Again, it is not reality so I can deny it. If it would reality I would agree it. The people deny the reality that you are, who deny the reality of this thread claims its being undeniable is clearly isn't undeniable. It just needs you have to admit yourself the fact that you constantly deny.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: inquisitive on June 13, 2019, 01:10:38 AM
I've been doing a lot of reading on this forum.. and you literally lose every argument. You dodge questions and facts and proof. Did you even take your time to read the screenshot? Because the screenshot linked 2 videos with literal proof of what the comment was saying.. So.. your point?
The earth is a sphere.

Nope. I have won literally every argument. They have just talking more than me because of numerical advantage and ends with their talking. They are making extraordinary performance for end all discussing with their last talking and claiming they have won the discussing. Their claiming them won a debate does not make them magically winner or me a loser. You are literally talking baseless like all other angry globularists here.

I thought you were different but you prove you are same. If I will not reply you again so will you think I have lost this argument? Sounds like you will. But you are absolutely the loser of this argument. Because I have proved I can deny you and I denied your argument. Now time for you talk forever and claim your magically being the winner of this argument.
What shape and size is the earth, do you have an accurate map that replaces all others?
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 01:20:26 AM
I've been doing a lot of reading on this forum.. and you literally lose every argument. You dodge questions and facts and proof. Did you even take your time to read the screenshot? Because the screenshot linked 2 videos with literal proof of what the comment was saying.. So.. your point?
The earth is a sphere.

Nope. I have won literally every argument. They have just talking more than me because of numerical advantage and ends with their talking. They are making extraordinary performance for end all discussing with their last talking and claiming they have won the discussing. Their claiming them won a debate does not make them magically winner or me a loser. You are literally talking baseless like all other angry globularists here.

I thought you were different but you prove you are same. If I will not reply you again so will you think I have lost this argument? Sounds like you will. But you are absolutely the loser of this argument. Because I have proved I can deny you and I denied your argument. Now time for you talk forever and claim your magically being the winner of this argument.
What shape and size is the earth, do you have an accurate map that replaces all others?

I've already published it. Do you want I renew it? It's at HERE (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0)
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 13, 2019, 01:27:26 AM
The argument here its being undeniable
No, the argument here is that Earth was flat, then in order for the sun to set it would need to go below Earth and thus we couldn't have the sun always being above Earth.
It was titled as undeniable.
All you have done is attack the title, not the argument.
That means you haven't debunked it.

So if you want to just say you have denied the argument and haven't debunked it then go ahead.
Or you can quit the semantic BS and actually try to debunk/refute the argument.
Provide an explanation for the how the sun appears to set on a FE.
And perspective has no chance of helping you here as the image shows the sun partially obscured by Earth. The only way for that to happen with Earth being flat is for the sun to go below Earth (or into it).
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 01:35:28 AM
The argument here its being undeniable
No, the argument here is that Earth was flat, then in order for the sun to set it would need to go below Earth and thus we couldn't have the sun always being above Earth.
It was titled as undeniable.
All you have done is attack the title, not the argument.
That means you haven't debunked it.

So if you want to just say you have denied the argument and haven't debunked it then go ahead.
Or you can quit the semantic BS and actually try to debunk/refute the argument.
Provide an explanation for the how the sun appears to set on a FE.
And perspective has no chance of helping you here as the image shows the sun partially obscured by Earth. The only way for that to happen with Earth being flat is for the sun to go below Earth (or into it).

Nope. Stop to say lie. I've denied his arguments.

His arguments was some photos and I've shown them being not like that.

If you want I deny other arguments I can deny them easily too, you know.

the refraction of light and the angular size being of the second order parabola causes us to see the sun sets. Do you want I deny your other baseless arguments if you have more about the issue with MY IRREFUTABLE PROOFS like this?
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 13, 2019, 01:37:51 AM
Nope. Stop to say lie. I've denied his arguments.
I'm not lying. You have denied his arguments, not refuted them, nor debunked them.

Now can you actually deal with the argument rather than repeatedly telling everyone you deny them?

the refraction of light and the angular size being of the second degree parabola causes us to see the sun sets. Do you want I deny anything else?
HOW?
The refraction of light through the atmosphere results in light being bent downwards and thus objects appearing higher, not lower. This means the sun would appear higher than it is, not lower and thus you wouldn't have it appear to set.
Your nonsense about angular size is just nonsense. It isn't even a parabola. It is the inverse tangent to the power of -1. And that doesn't help the sun set either. That just tells you its angular size based upon its distance and actual size. It (by which I mean perspective) just makes the sun get closer to the horizon, it can't make it pass it and it will only ever get it to touch it at infinite distance when the sun wouldn't be seen.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 01:41:49 AM
Nope. Stop to say lie. I've denied his arguments.
I'm not lying. You have denied his arguments, not refuted them, nor debunked them.
You are saying lie againd and again.

I've said I've denied his arguments.

Like this post, you've saih I have denied his arguments.

But you were saying I've not denied his arguments but I've just denied the topic, here.

The argument here its being undeniable
All you have done is attack the title, not the argument.

I've proved I've attacked both title and arguments. Because you have admitted I have denied the arguments. Denying arguments is an attack to arguments, isn't it?

Now stop to say anymore lies and accept both title and its arguments are nothing but BS.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 01:44:39 AM
It is a parabole. We can discuss it after you've agreed I've denied both title and his BS arguments with counter arguments.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: inquisitive on June 13, 2019, 01:58:20 AM
I've been doing a lot of reading on this forum.. and you literally lose every argument. You dodge questions and facts and proof. Did you even take your time to read the screenshot? Because the screenshot linked 2 videos with literal proof of what the comment was saying.. So.. your point?
The earth is a sphere.

Nope. I have won literally every argument. They have just talking more than me because of numerical advantage and ends with their talking. They are making extraordinary performance for end all discussing with their last talking and claiming they have won the discussing. Their claiming them won a debate does not make them magically winner or me a loser. You are literally talking baseless like all other angry globularists here.

I thought you were different but you prove you are same. If I will not reply you again so will you think I have lost this argument? Sounds like you will. But you are absolutely the loser of this argument. Because I have proved I can deny you and I denied your argument. Now time for you talk forever and claim your magically being the winner of this argument.
What shape and size is the earth, do you have an accurate map that replaces all others?

I've already published it. Do you want I renew it? It's at HERE (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0)
A map shows the coasts of continents, a scale, roads, rivers etc.  And can be used for navigation with all distances correct.
Title: Re: Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 13, 2019, 02:01:34 AM
You are saying lie againd and again.
WHERE?
We are both saying you denied his argument.
You have denied his argument.
That isn't a lie.

What you haven't done is refute or debunk his argument.
That requires far more than simple denial.
You are yet to show a single thing wrong with the argument. Instead all you have done is denied them and because of that stated the title is wrong.

Denying arguments is an attack to arguments, isn't it?
No, it isn't.
Just like denying reality isn't an attack to reality, nor does it make reality BS.
It is simply saying no to them, i.e. saying you don't accept them or agree with them.
It does nothing at all to address the validity or soundness of them.

Now stop to say anymore lies and accept both title and its arguments are nothing but BS.
Again, I'm not the one lying here.
I have no intention of lying and saying the argument is BS when you are yet to present any rational challenge to it.
If you want me to "accept" that the argument is BS you will need to demonstrate that it is.

Now care to actually address the argument?
HOW DOES THE SUN SET FOR A FE?

Again, it can't be perspective as that wouldn't allow the sun to set until it got infinitely far away and cannot produce the picture in the OP was the sun would need to be partially inside Earth.
Perspective is just things shrinking, not it magically appearing in a different direction.

Refraction in the atmosphere makes things appear higher, not lower, so again, that cannot be the cause.
Title: Re: Undeiable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 14, 2019, 01:55:00 AM
You are saying lie againd and again.
WHERE?
We are both saying you denied his argument.
You have denied his argument.
That isn't a lie.

What you haven't done is refute or debunk his argument.
That requires far more than simple denial.
You are yet to show a single thing wrong with the argument. Instead all you have done is denied them and because of that stated the title is wrong.

Denying arguments is an attack to arguments, isn't it?
No, it isn't.
Just like denying reality isn't an attack to reality, nor does it make reality BS.
It is simply saying no to them, i.e. saying you don't accept them or agree with them.
It does nothing at all to address the validity or soundness of them.

Now stop to say anymore lies and accept both title and its arguments are nothing but BS.
Again, I'm not the one lying here.
I have no intention of lying and saying the argument is BS when you are yet to present any rational challenge to it.
If you want me to "accept" that the argument is BS you will need to demonstrate that it is.

Now care to actually address the argument?
HOW DOES THE SUN SET FOR A FE?

Again, it can't be perspective as that wouldn't allow the sun to set until it got infinitely far away and cannot produce the picture in the OP was the sun would need to be partially inside Earth.
Perspective is just things shrinking, not it magically appearing in a different direction.

Refraction in the atmosphere makes things appear higher, not lower, so again, that cannot be the cause.

You are constantly changing the tag without asking the oper. Stop this childish behaviour.

I denied the claim at the op by counter arguments.

I denied the content of it again by using arguments.

So the topic is debunked. What is the thing you don't want to understand here. Topic isn't saying "un-debunkable claim". Then you can say it is a claim and although I have offered counter arguments it stay still as a claim. But undeniable proof needs to be keep its position although opposite arguments.

Since you think you are in same side with him so you are supporting this BS.Not because it is true, because you need to object everything what I say.
Title: Re: Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 14, 2019, 02:27:06 AM
I will take your lack of pointing out where I lied as an admission that I didn't and that you had been lying about me.
I denied the claim at the op by counter arguments.
Your "counter-argument" amounted to nothing more than you not understanding glare.
You know it is not a sound argument.

More importantly, it didn't deal with what the OP said at all.
So it wasn't even a counter-argument.
It was a completely separate argument with nothing to do with the topic at all.

All you have done to the OP's argument is denied it.
You have not debunked the argument, nor refuted it.

In order to debunk or refute the argument you need to explain how on a FE where the sun remains roughly 5000 km above the surface of Earth that it appears to set, with the sun appearing to go below Earth, such that part of the sun is obscured by Earth, where you could easily extend the circle of the sun and show it would need to be inside or below Earth.

Until you do so, all you have is irrational denial.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: KotaDaGeneral on June 14, 2019, 06:06:35 AM
Wise, you literally have only denied the title, you have not even supplied me with a valid counter argument against what I said. You keep mentioning the title, but not the important part, what I actually said. This is furthermore proof of you losing arguments, you drift away from the main evidence and arguments and try to rebuttal on something that is honestly irrelevant.

You truly believe the earth is flat right?

Explain how on a FLAT earth, where the sun is supposed to stay roughly 5000km above the surface of earth that the sun can go below the horizon line?
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 14, 2019, 02:10:50 PM
Wise, you literally have only denied the title, you have not even supplied me with a valid counter argument against what I said. You keep mentioning the title, but not the important part, what I actually said. This is furthermore proof of you losing arguments, you drift away from the main evidence and arguments and try to rebuttal on something that is honestly irrelevant.

You truly believe the earth is flat right?

Explain how on a FLAT earth, where the sun is supposed to stay roughly 5000km above the surface of earth that the sun can go below the horizon line?

Your denying the proofs can not make my arguments weak or stronger.

Your question has many times asked and I've answered it by this way. This is likely doubling myself. Anyways.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/QW6MLA.png)

Now literally I have proved that the earth is flat by using similar method you use. Now literally you will accept the earth's being flat, right?
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 14, 2019, 03:00:56 PM
Your denying the proofs can not make my arguments weak or stronger.
That is right. You denying the proof that Earth isn't flat won't make your arguments stronger or weaker. Your arguments remain garbage.

Your question has many times asked and I've answered it by this way. This is likely doubling myself. Anyways.
Spamming the same garbage image all over the place doesn't help you.
That doesn't address the argument in any way.

That image in no way demonstrates that the sun can be partially obscured by Earth.
Again, as pointed out elsewhere, the light from the sun is still going down. So it still coming from the wrong direction.

Now literally I have proved that the earth is flat by using similar method you use. Now literally you will accept the earth's being flat, right?
No you haven't.
Not even close.
If you were actually providing a counter-argument to the OP all it would do is show that either a FE or a RE could work. It wouldn't magically mean Earth is flat.
In order for it to be proof of a FE, you need to show the RE model can't explain it.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Googleotomy on June 14, 2019, 03:24:07 PM
Your denying the proofs can not make my arguments weak or stronger.
That is right. You denying the proof that Earth isn't flat won't make your arguments stronger or weaker. Your arguments remain garbage.

Your question has many times asked and I've answered it by this way. This is likely doubling myself. Anyways.
Spamming the same garbage image all over the place doesn't help you.
That doesn't address the argument in any way.

That image in no way demonstrates that the sun can be partially obscured by Earth.
Again, as pointed out elsewhere, the light from the sun is still going down. So it still coming from the wrong direction.

Now literally I have proved that the earth is flat by using similar method you use. Now literally you will accept the earth's being flat, right?
No you haven't.
Not even close.
If you were actually providing a counter-argument to the OP all it would do is show that either a FE or a RE could work. It wouldn't magically mean Earth is flat.
In order for it to be proof of a FE, you need to show the RE model can't explain it.

I find myself in complete agreement with you ,  Jack Black !     :-)

In the first place , until I discovered this website I had always assumed that every person of sane mind and body  knew that the earth was ''round'' (or was a globe).
And in the second place ,  I had always assumed that no persons of sane minds or body's even thought the earth was a flat disc.
And from personal experience I knew that there were at least 2 reasons that were proof that the earth was "round" (or was a globe )
(1) The horizon
(2) Sunrise and sunset
And many more !  :-)
And please don't make fun of me ( as the FE's do )for having been in the U.S. Navy for knowing all this for certain  ! LOL !
I had not nor have not even nor ever even  heard of any instances of this, but I had or have never ever even heard of anyone in the U.S. Navy who even believed the earth was flat.
I would guess they would be candidates for the psychiatric ward at the nearest Naval Hospital if they did ! LOL

P.S. This website can be a lot of fun if you don't take this website or some FE's too seriously ! LOL
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: rabinoz on June 14, 2019, 03:50:24 PM
Wise, you literally have only denied the title, you have not even supplied me with a valid counter argument against what I said. You keep mentioning the title, but not the important part, what I actually said. This is furthermore proof of you losing arguments, you drift away from the main evidence and arguments and try to rebuttal on something that is honestly irrelevant.

You truly believe the earth is flat right?

Explain how on a FLAT earth, where the sun is supposed to stay roughly 5000km above the surface of earth that the sun can go below the horizon line?

Your denying the proofs can not make my arguments weak or stronger.

Your question has many times asked and I've answered it by this way. This is likely doubling myself. Anyways.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/QW6MLA.png)

Now literally I have proved that the earth is flat by using similar method you use. Now literally you will accept the earth's being flat, right?
No, you have not proved anything! Nothing you have shown "proved that the earth is flat".

Even your assumptions of refraction by the "dome" shown on your own diagrams do not show how the sun can set as in the photos in the OP.
You still show the person looking up at quite at an angle to see the sun and not horizontally as in these photos.

I know exactly where they were taken from because I took those photos! So look again and see that your explanation does not work!
I took them at Karumba on the Gulf of Carpentaria in North Queensland and 6:25:02 and 6:25:29 pm on the 8th of September 2007 ;D. See if TimeAndDate.com agree.
I see and take photos like this:
 (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/JIA5RP.jpg)LHG-0693 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.02, 300 mm (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/deLz9c.jpg)LHG-0697 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.29, 300 mm
And I naturally think that the sun is really being hidden behind something, the horizon.
I posted them for exactly the same reason and I've yet to see wise or anyone else explain that without dragging in quite unsupported hypothothese and "bendy light" of various forms.

By the way, could you please tell us:
• High far above the earth this "dome" is,

• how thick the "dome" is and

• the refractive index of the "dome material".
This information is absolutely necessary to work out exactly what refraction the dome and atmosphere would cause.
Thanks in advance for those details.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/)

Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Googleotomy on June 14, 2019, 05:09:02 PM
Wise, you literally have only denied the title, you have not even supplied me with a valid counter argument against what I said. You keep mentioning the title, but not the important part, what I actually said. This is furthermore proof of you losing arguments, you drift away from the main evidence and arguments and try to rebuttal on something that is honestly irrelevant.

You truly believe the earth is flat right?

Explain how on a FLAT earth, where the sun is supposed to stay roughly 5000km above the surface of earth that the sun can go below the horizon line?

Your denying the proofs can not make my arguments weak or stronger.

Your question has many times asked and I've answered it by this way. This is likely doubling myself. Anyways.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/QW6MLA.png)

Now literally I have proved that the earth is flat by using similar method you use. Now literally you will accept the earth's being flat, right?
No, you have not proved anything! Nothing you have shown "proved that the earth is flat".

Even your assumptions of refraction by the "dome" shown on your own diagrams do not show how the sun can set as in the photos in the OP.
You still show the person looking up at quite at an angle to see the sun and not horizontally as in these photos.

I know exactly where they were taken from because I took those photos! So look again and see that your explanation does not work!
I took them at Karumba on the Gulf of Carpentaria in North Queensland and 6:25:02 and 6:25:29 pm on the 8th of September 2007 ;D. See if TimeAndDate.com agree.
I see and take photos like this:
 (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/JIA5RP.jpg)LHG-0693 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.02, 300 mm (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/deLz9c.jpg)LHG-0697 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.29, 300 mm
And I naturally think that the sun is really being hidden behind something, the horizon.
I posted them for exactly the same reason and I've yet to see wise or anyone else explain that without dragging in quite unsupported hypothothese and "bendy light" of various forms.

By the way, could you please tell us:
• High far above the earth this "dome" is,

• how thick the "dome" is and

• the refractive index of the "dome material".
This information is absolutely necessary to work out exactly what refraction the dome and atmosphere would cause.
Thanks in advance for those details.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/)
Could you please tell us what material of which the dome is made ?
I have read (at least )  4 answers ( and there may be more ? ):
(1) Brass
(2) Glass
(3) Water
(4) Ice
Which of these is correct ?
Or is the dome made of some other material ?
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Macarios on June 15, 2019, 07:56:29 AM
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Now literally I have proved that the earth is flat by using similar method you use. Now literally you will accept the earth's being flat, right?

You are destroying your own arguments by moving the Sun out of the Dome.
If Dome exists (and nobody ever saw it) then the Sun is inside.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Googleotomy on June 15, 2019, 08:40:05 AM
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Now literally I have proved that the earth is flat by using similar method you use. Now literally you will accept the earth's being flat, right?

You are destroying your own arguments by moving the Sun out of the Dome.
If Dome exists (and nobody ever saw it) then the Sun is inside.

To Wise and Macarios
It seems some FE' s are following that old adage ''You can't get out of a hole by digging it deeper ! ''. LOL
If you move the Sun out of the Dome , wouldn't that mean the Dome is transparent ?

To Macarios
Do you honestly think that any FE is ever going to '' accept the earth's being round ''' ?
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Macarios on June 15, 2019, 11:29:44 AM
To Wise and Macarios
It seems some FE' s are following that old adage ''You can't get out of a hole by digging it deeper ! ''. LOL
If you move the Sun out of the Dome , wouldn't that mean the Dome is transparent ?

They are already claiming that the Dome is transparent, made of some sort of crystal.
(Same crystal that was later described to building all those heavenly spheres in Geocentric system.)
But while the bottom side is still up there it can't move apparent Sun position even close to "low enough" (at horizon) for sunset.

To Macarios
Do you honestly think that any FE is ever going to '' accept the earth's being round ''' ?

No, thanks for asking, but innocent kids will see the facts and figures so won't get seduced by Flat deception.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Googleotomy on June 16, 2019, 07:46:07 AM
To Wise and Macarios
It seems some FE' s are following that old adage ''You can't get out of a hole by digging it deeper ! ''. LOL
If you move the Sun out of the Dome , wouldn't that mean the Dome is transparent ?

They are already claiming that the Dome is transparent, made of some sort of crystal.
(Same crystal that was later described to building all those heavenly spheres in Geocentric system.)
But while the bottom side is still up there it can't move apparent Sun position even close to "low enough" (at horizon) for sunset.

To Macarios
Do you honestly think that any FE is ever going to '' accept the earth's being round ''' ?

No, thanks for asking, but innocent kids will see the facts and figures so won't get seduced by Flat deception.

I guess we were just naive when we were in geography classes in elementary school . There was a Mercator map on the blackboard and a globe on the teacher's desk and we never had any questions about the shape of the earth. But that was before the Internet and the FES website.  LOL
There is a Science Museum in Dallas,  Texas, USA which is popular for school Field Trips. LOL.

I personally think that the so-called ''flat earth believers''  on this website  are really very  knowledgeable about the real ''globe'' earth and make up all this ''flat earth'' nonsense for the sense of debate or discussion on these forums  . LOL

However, if you really believe the shape of the earth is like the Unipolar, or North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection (of the globe) and the earth is really centered on the North Pole, and is a flat disc surrounded by a ring of ice......so be it ! LOL.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Macarios on June 16, 2019, 10:23:19 AM
I personally think that the so-called ''flat earth believers''  on this website  are really very  knowledgeable about the real ''globe'' earth and make up all this ''flat earth'' nonsense for the sense of debate or discussion on these forums  . LOL

Many FE YouTubers actually know the Earth is Globe, but the FE videos bring them revenue.

However, if you really believe the shape of the earth is like the Unipolar, or North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection (of the globe) and the earth is really centered on the North Pole, and is a flat disc surrounded by a ring of ice......so be it ! LOL.

But if you don't know, those who are twisting the facts could convince you before you know for sure.
Or at least can make you deny knowledge if it contradicts your desire or belief.

Rejecting knowledge also can lead to antivaxx and bringing back some deseases that are nearly extinct.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 16, 2019, 01:52:39 PM
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Now literally I have proved that the earth is flat by using similar method you use. Now literally you will accept the earth's being flat, right?

You are destroying your own arguments by moving the Sun out of the Dome.
If Dome exists (and nobody ever saw it) then the Sun is inside.

Nope. Is this what you understand so you have a problem of understanding. Your seing sun inside dome does not mean its magically inside the dome.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Googleotomy on June 16, 2019, 05:17:22 PM
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Now literally I have proved that the earth is flat by using similar method you use. Now literally you will accept the earth's being flat, right?

You are destroying your own arguments by moving the Sun out of the Dome.
If Dome exists (and nobody ever saw it) then the Sun is inside.

Nope. Is this what you understand so you have a problem of understanding. Your seing sun inside dome does not mean its magically inside the dome.
You seem to have a problem with realty.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 17, 2019, 12:07:31 AM
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Now literally I have proved that the earth is flat by using similar method you use. Now literally you will accept the earth's being flat, right?

You are destroying your own arguments by moving the Sun out of the Dome.
If Dome exists (and nobody ever saw it) then the Sun is inside.

Nope. Is this what you understand so you have a problem of understanding. Your seing sun inside dome does not mean its magically inside the dome.
You seem to have a problem with realty.
It is relevant with what you define the reality. Your baseless disrespectings does not make my argument magically weaker or stronger. If there is a dome so the shape of sun rays be like this. This is simple to get. Denying them with childish disrespecting can not change this fact.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 17, 2019, 02:24:22 AM
If there is a dome so the shape of sun rays be like this.
Yes, and that still has the sun's rays going down, not up, and doesn't allow the sun to intersect the horizon as shown in the images in the OP.

This is simple to get. Denying them with childish disrespecting can not change this fact.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Macarios on June 17, 2019, 02:36:55 AM
Nope. Is this what you understand so you have a problem of understanding. Your seing sun inside dome does not mean its magically inside the dome.

Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 17, 2019, 02:51:41 AM
If there is a dome so the shape of sun rays be like this.
Yes, and that still has the sun's rays going down, not up, and doesn't allow the sun to intersect the horizon as shown in the images in the OP.

This is simple to get. Denying them with childish disrespecting can not change this fact.

I think I've proved what I say in the diagram. Can you show your childish objections in a simple diagram can be easily made by a kindergarden student?
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 17, 2019, 02:54:16 AM
Nope. Is this what you understand so you have a problem of understanding. Your seing sun inside dome does not mean its magically inside the dome.

I don't remember saying this in our this discussion. each issue has its own reality, which is the same. we can discuss in more detail whether we need to adapt to life or whether life should adapt to us. however, it is useful to return to the topic.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 17, 2019, 03:47:01 AM
I think I've proved what I say in the diagram.
Yes, you have "proven" the contents of the diagram, not what is needed to address the OP.

Notice how it still doesn't have the sun being below the horizon?
Notice how the sun is still upwards.

As you refuse to answer, lets consider what happens if the dome touches Earth perpendicular to Earth.
First lets assume the sun does actually go below Earth. Then you may as well have not bothered with the dome as you have the same result with the sun below Earth.
Now lets assume the sun doesn't go below Earth and instead it is above Earth.
This means we need to turn your diagram clockwise 90 degrees. This now means the sun appears higher, not lower.

See, that's a key thing about such a dome, it doesn't just make the sun appear higher.

So again, care to explain how the sun sets?
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 17, 2019, 04:05:31 AM
I think I've proved what I say in the diagram.
Yes, you have "proven" the contents of the diagram, not what is needed to address the OP.

Notice how it still doesn't have the sun being below the horizon?
Notice how the sun is still upwards.

As you refuse to answer, lets consider what happens if the dome touches Earth perpendicular to Earth.
First lets assume the sun does actually go below Earth. Then you may as well have not bothered with the dome as you have the same result with the sun below Earth.
Now lets assume the sun doesn't go below Earth and instead it is above Earth.
This means we need to turn your diagram clockwise 90 degrees. This now means the sun appears higher, not lower.

See, that's a key thing about such a dome, it doesn't just make the sun appear higher.

So again, care to explain how the sun sets?

I've explained sun has to be visible downside of real sun position. Showing it sets need advanced explanations you can't get them because you are random person.

you should contact the organisations that provide it, and not argue with random people here.

You see; he says your being random people. of course, it is clear that the dome's round structure will also cause some reduction. however, over-travel of the light in the dome forms a wall that prevents it from passing to the opposite side. that is, when the sun looks at the sky, if the sun is only 100 kilometers higher than you and crosses the 100-kilometer dome, it will have to pass 10 times and more dome fragments at dusk. we can examine in more detail which of these causes sinking. but as I said, this discussion does not happen with random people. you must prove that you are not random people. You can show an evidence by drawing a simple diagram here.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 17, 2019, 05:16:27 AM
I've explained sun has to be visible downside of real sun position.
And I have explained why even with your dome that will not always be the case.

Showing it sets need advanced explanations you can't get them because you are random person.
If you aren't willing to provide it, don't pretend it exists.

Either explain how the sun can appear to set or stop posting in this thread.
Saying the sun appears lower than it is doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 17, 2019, 05:18:10 AM
I've explained sun has to be visible downside of real sun position.
And I have explained why even with your dome that will not always be the case.

Showing it sets need advanced explanations you can't get them because you are random person.
If you aren't willing to provide it, don't pretend it exists.

Either explain how the sun can appear to set or stop posting in this thread.
Saying the sun appears lower than it is doesn't cut it.

I told it is exist then it is enough to be a proof. Because you are not providing any evidence just making word salat.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 17, 2019, 05:30:17 AM
I told it is exist then it is enough to be a proof.
Your words are nothing more than a baseless claim.
If you want to convince any sane person you will need far more than a baseless claim.

Now can you explain how the sun sets?
Again, if you want to appeal to a dome, give us details.
What shape is it?
Where is it in relation to Earth and the sun?
Does it have symmetry?
How thick is it?
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 17, 2019, 05:38:22 AM
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Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Googleotomy on June 17, 2019, 09:20:06 AM
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To Wise
I am just curious .
Have you (or any other FE for that matter ) ever been to sea or stood on the shore and looked out on the sea and actually observed how far you could see to the horizon and actually observed the rising and setting of the sun ?
(See pictures on reply #35 )
The reality of sunrise and sunset is one of the simplest and most basic proofs  of  '' Undeniable proofs that the earth is round .''
I can also assure you that every day work in any job involved in especially travel on the ocean is '' Undeniable proof that the earth is round.''
It is also one of the simplest and basic proofs of '' Undeniable proofs that the earth is NOT FLAT. ''
It is as simple as that.
There is also a suggestion on another thread ........." Go out and check it for yourself ! ,"
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: JackBlack on June 17, 2019, 01:58:58 PM
More pathetic BS
If you can explain how the sun sets, THEN DO SO!
If you can't stop pretending you can.

Don't bother showing an image of the "dome" with the sun still appearing high in the sky.
Provide an image showing the sun as set/setting.
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Googleotomy on June 17, 2019, 04:05:34 PM
More pathetic BS
If you can explain how the sun sets, THEN DO SO!
If you can't stop pretending you can.

Don't bother showing an image of the "dome" with the sun still appearing high in the sky.
Provide an image showing the sun as set/setting.

Again, I may be one of the most naive persons on the earth (the round, or globe earth, that is ) but I just can't understand how a person like wise can be so far out of reality ?
Title: Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
Post by: wise on June 18, 2019, 01:42:21 AM
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Title: Re: Proof that the earth is round
Post by: Googleotomy on June 19, 2019, 12:19:15 PM
I will take your lack of pointing out where I lied as an admission that I didn't and that you had been lying about me.
I denied the claim at the op by counter arguments.
Your "counter-argument" amounted to nothing more than you not understanding glare.
You know it is not a sound argument.

More importantly, it didn't deal with what the OP said at all.
So it wasn't even a counter-argument.
It was a completely separate argument with nothing to do with the topic at all.

All you have done to the OP's argument is denied it.
You have not debunked the argument, nor refuted it.

In order to debunk or refute the argument you need to explain how on a FE where the sun remains roughly 5000 km above the surface of Earth that it appears to set, with the sun appearing to go below Earth, such that part of the sun is obscured by Earth, where you could easily extend the circle of the sun and show it would need to be inside or below Earth.

Until you do so, all you have is irrational denial.

I don't seem to be able to make quotes  and replies such as this on the other thread on "Proof that the earth isn't flat".
I notice that is "grayed out."

Moderator :
Is it just just my Nook or is there a reason for this ?

The only "Actions" choice that I get is "remove" ?

The only option I get is modify.   ;D