The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: Vanyel on March 27, 2019, 08:41:39 AM
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I am aware that flat earthers believe that space travel is a vast conspiracy put on by NASA and other agencies and governments, but there is too much that supports the idea. There are satellites and the ISS that can be seen from Earth, there are livestreams and videos and pictures, and of course there are the people. There are astronauts and cosmonauts and even ordinary people, from space tourists to those taken by aliens, who continually profess and swear to the fact that they were in space. Many of these people are not aligned, and particularly the latter group are wholly independent of the government so what reason would they have to lie? The simple existence of UFOs which many people can attest to and have personal, zetetic experience of makes it clear that space travel does in fact exist because how else could they make it to our world from other planets? The evidence for space travel is simply too vast and overwhelming, and the evidence for a conspiracy far too thin and lacking. Nothing could ever persuade all these people to lie so often and for so long and never let anything slip. The government agencies are not the only ones who have been to space, and many countries with terrible relationships nevertheless agree that they have achieved some degree of space travel. Mankind must have been to space, and because of this the images we have from space, universally a round earth, must be accurate.
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How do you think government secrets are kept?
images we have from space, universally a round earth, must be accurate.
Why does the existence of these images somehow make them accurate? Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
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He's making up aliens and you're making up baloney.
What a great kickoff for this thread!
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Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
That depends entirely upon what you mean by "Flat Earth" when it is in curved space, and what your curved space is doing.
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The simple existence of UFOs which many people can attest to and have personal, zetetic experience of
UFOs? Like, 747s seen at night through clouds? Balloons, birds lit by street lights and Venus? Experimental aircraft and rockets shedding their first stage?
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How do you think government secrets are kept?
images we have from space, universally a round earth, must be accurate.
Why does the existence of these images somehow make them accurate? Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
Space missions are no longer just "governments" and especially not one government.
There are some 72 governments now with their own satellites with about 12 with launch capability, including Iran, Israel, China and North Korea.
Then there are numerous "private" companies with satellite launch capability.
So, I fail to see how space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.
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How do you think government secrets are kept?
images we have from space, universally a round earth, must be accurate.
Why does the existence of these images somehow make them accurate? Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
Space missions are no longer just "governments" and especially not one government.
There are some 72 governments now with their own satellites with about 12 with launch capability, including Iran, Israel, China and North Korea.
Then there are numerous "private" companies with satellite launch capability.
So, I fail to see how space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.
You missed the point.
They aren't faked. We are mistaken.
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The simple existence of UFOs which many people can attest to and have personal, zetetic experience of makes it clear that space travel does in fact exist because how else could they make it to our world from other planets?
Just because an object is flying and unidentified doesn't mean it's from another planet.
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even ordinary people, from space tourists to those taken by aliens,
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Is everyone just going to ignore that?
We are? Ok, good, just checking.
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What you would you have us do? Go down the alien rabbit hole?
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So, I fail to see how space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.
You missed the point.
They aren't faked. We are mistaken.
Really? Why would anyone take any notice of your baseless hypotheses? All you did was post a hypothetical question.
Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/dscovrepicmoontransitfull.gif?itok=m-pCEXqi)
Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.
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rabinoz I see, if you do not know the answers, then just quote Wikipedia. Here you are talking about alternative space agencies. BUT!!! Such, alas, no - carefully read the documents. And do not talk nonsense.
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So, I fail to see how space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.
You missed the point.
They aren't faked. We are mistaken.
Really? Why would anyone take any notice of your baseless hypotheses? All you did was post a hypothetical question.
Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/dscovrepicmoontransitfull.gif?itok=m-pCEXqi)
Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.
What a great photo! Thanks for sharing it with us! Let me put that right up on the Fridge.
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So, I fail to see how space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.
You missed the point.
They aren't faked. We are mistaken.
Really? Why would anyone take any notice of your baseless hypotheses? All you did was post a hypothetical question.
Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/dscovrepicmoontransitfull.gif?itok=m-pCEXqi)
Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.
What a great photo! Thanks for sharing it with us! Let me put that right up on the Fridge.
Rather than ridicule, what about explaining what sort of "curved space" might cause that sort of thing?
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rabinoz I see, if you do not know the answers, then just quote Wikipedia.
Heavenly Breeze,
- Where do you claim that I "do not know the answers"?
- And where did I "quote Wikipedia"?
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So, I fail to see how space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.
You missed the point.
They aren't faked. We are mistaken.
Really? Why would anyone take any notice of your baseless hypotheses? All you did was post a hypothetical question.
Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/dscovrepicmoontransitfull.gif?itok=m-pCEXqi)
Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.
What a great photo! Thanks for sharing it with us! Let me put that right up on the Fridge.
Rather than ridicule, what about explaining what sort of "curved space" might cause that sort of thing?
Photoshop is the kind of "curved space" that would produce that nonsense.
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Just look at that bugger go with his fake drop shadow and all, in a straight line not even pretending to orbit the earth. What a fucker,
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Good design guys. Great job.
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(https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/western-auto-1950s-usa-fridges-freezers-the-advertising-archives.jpg)
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How is the 50s fridge ad cartoon more believable than that nonsense.
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Rather than ridicule, what about explaining what sort of "curved space" might cause that sort of thing?
Photoshop is the kind of "curved space" that would produce that nonsense.
What about some evidence because there are plenty of photos from sources other than NASA or even the USA.
Some show the earth and moon from near the moon and thousands are from far enough away to show almost a whole hemisphere.
And you earlier said this:They aren't faked. We are mistaken.
So which is it?
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How do you think government secrets are kept?
images we have from space, universally a round earth, must be accurate.
Why does the existence of these images somehow make them accurate? Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
Space missions are no longer just "governments" and especially not one government.
There are some 72 governments now with their own satellites with about 12 with launch capability, including Iran, Israel, China and North Korea.
Then there are numerous "private" companies with satellite launch capability.
So, I fail to see how space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.
You missed the point.
They aren't faked. We are mistaken.
What do you mean, mistaken? There are many companies launching satellites for exploration and communication.
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What you would you have us do? Go down the alien rabbit hole?
Why would you not want to?
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Sure is a lot of "fake" images out there.
https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/
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There are astronauts and cosmonauts and even ordinary people, from space tourists to those taken by aliens, who continually profess and swear to the fact that they were in space.
Ask anyone in prison if they are guilty.
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So, I fail to see how space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.
You missed the point.
They aren't faked. We are mistaken.
Really? Why would anyone take any notice of your baseless hypotheses? All you did was post a hypothetical question.
Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/dscovrepicmoontransitfull.gif?itok=m-pCEXqi)
Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.
What a great photo! Thanks for sharing it with us! Let me put that right up on the Fridge.
Rather than ridicule, what about explaining what sort of "curved space" might cause that sort of thing?
I couldn't even imagine what kind of mental gymnastics one must perform to justify anything causing "this sort of thing."
For one, the moon is traveling tangental to the surface of the earth. Let alone it being shadowed by some magic invisible object when entering and exiting the frame.
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Rather than ridicule, what about explaining what sort of "curved space" might cause that sort of thing?
Photoshop is the kind of "curved space" that would produce that nonsense.
What about some evidence because there are plenty of photos from sources other than NASA or even the USA.
Some show the earth and moon from near the moon and thousands are from far enough away to show almost a whole hemisphere.
And you earlier said this:They aren't faked. We are mistaken.
So which is it?
Obviously, not every single picture a child finger paints of a globe is legitimate representation. Yet most I'd wager do a fair job better than this. I have no doubt many, if not most, images of the earth are faked. Probably not for any real reason other than marketing and design. Mr Blue Marble certainly states he stitches together his Blue Marble.
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For one, the moon is traveling tangental to the surface of the earth.
No, if that was the case it would have passed through Earth.
It may be travelling parallel to a tangent, but that doesn't mean it is a tangent. And remember, a small section of a sufficiently large circle will look like a straight line.
Let alone it being shadowed by some magic invisible object when entering and exiting the frame.
So if something isn't in your vision, such as if it is behind you, it is being shadowed by some magic invisible object?
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Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/dscovrepicmoontransitfull.gif?itok=m-pCEXqi)
Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.
I couldn't even imagine what kind of mental gymnastics one must perform to justify anything causing "this sort of thing."
For one, the moon is traveling tangental to the surface of the earth. Let alone it being shadowed by some magic invisible object when entering and exiting the frame.
What are you talking about?
What is this "traveling tangental to the surface of the earth"?
I don't see the moon being "shadowed by some magic invisible object when entering and exiting the frame" but
I do see the effect of taking the exposures sequentially through the colour filters.
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Well for anyone not taken in by the "fake NASA" conspiracy, this image produced from multiple images taken by the DISCOVR spacecraft, all by itself, removes any question that the earth is a spinning globe.
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What are you talking about?
What is this "traveling tangental to the surface of the earth"?
I don't see the moon being "shadowed by some magic invisible object when entering and exiting the frame" but
I do see the effect of taking the exposures sequentially through the colour filters.
You see exactly what you want to see.
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What are you talking about?
What is this "traveling tangental to the surface of the earth"?
I don't see the moon being "shadowed by some magic invisible object when entering and exiting the frame" but
I do see the effect of taking the exposures sequentially through the colour filters.
You see exactly what you want to see.
Agreed but what I see has a logical reason and not 'magic'.
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So, I fail to see how space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.
You missed the point.
They aren't faked. We are mistaken.
Really? Why would anyone take any notice of your baseless hypotheses? All you did was post a hypothetical question.
Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/dscovrepicmoontransitfull.gif?itok=m-pCEXqi)
Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.
I don't understand. Are you saying the earth is flat but looks round?
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WAIT EVERYONE JUST STOP FOR A MINUTE
Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/dscovrepicmoontransitfull.gif?itok=m-pCEXqi)
Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.
What a great photo! Thanks for sharing it with us! Let me put that right up on the Fridge.
John Davis, you MUST tell me about this printer that can print moving gif's. Or is it the fridge that is the secret? I NEED to know!
I don't understand. Are you saying the earth is flat but looks round?
He says its flat but looks round silly. He also knows its flat because it looks flat. Therefore, its flat!
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So, I fail to see how space missions can be faked or why anyone would want to.
You missed the point.
They aren't faked. We are mistaken.
Really? Why would anyone take any notice of your baseless hypotheses? All you did was post a hypothetical question.
Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
Not only does the earth look "curved" but it also appears to be a rotating spherical object.
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/dscovrepicmoontransitfull.gif?itok=m-pCEXqi)
Your "curved space" does have some very interesting properties.
I don't understand. Are you saying the earth is flat but looks round?
Ask John Davis: Is it not possible that a flat earth in curved space would indeed appear curved?
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rabinoz, you need to find some new material to cut and paste. ::)
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Those animators must be AMAZING! I can't believe that they were able to create a spherical Earth, while it's rotating with very realistic cloud patterns.
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Those animators must be AMAZING! I can't believe that they were able to create a spherical Earth, while it's rotating with very realistic cloud patterns.
I know, right?
Animation. How the hell does that happen?
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rabinoz, you need to find some new material to cut and paste. ::)
Why?
The moon and earth have not changed perceptibly, apart from cloud patterns, since then.
Unlike flat earthers I don't need to change my story all the time, sorry about that.
That's one advantage of being a "Real Earth Believer".
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rabinoz, you need to find some new material to cut and paste. ::)
Why?
Because your current copy/paste crap is boring and predictable.
Seriously, flying pigs, Einstein calling people stupid, everything else you post.
NOTHING ORIGINAL, EVER.
What is your goal?
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NOTHING ORIGINAL, EVER.
Really, NOTHING ORIGINAL, EVER?
I do admit to copying the picture, but not the rest ;).
Perhaps we should just combine the alts and rename it wiseinoz.
That might be a stretch because it has yet to be proven that wise is wise or that rabinoz is wise.
But if it was mandated would wiseinoz be a Professor and Flat Earth Scientist or
would wiseinoz be a Real Earth Believer where the Real Earth is indubitably the Globe ;)!
It's enough to drive one to drink: (https://www.dropbox.com/s/khsu6w4cecumq7m/678484d155283f3dad18cfcc95d19f41.jpg?dl=1)
The only correct map is South Polar Centered FE map. Prove: The 2017's America's eclipse reveals that the wide of America is much more than globe's calculation (only 3000 miles).
The umbra average speed equals 2300 mph, duration = 4 hours. Approximately total distance of the umbra's traveling on America AKA the wide of America = 2300 mph × 4 hours = 9200 miles. 👏👏👏
Try again. I can only calculate this for the Globe. Maybe you can show how to do it on a flat earth.
But:- The umbra average speed does not equal 2300 mph but was under 1500 mph.
- The duration of the umbra crossing the USA was not 4 hours but only 1 hour 31 minutes.
The velocity of the moon's shadow is close to the average orbital of the moon or 2288 mph and that shadow moves from West to East.
But at the same time, at that latitude, the the surface of the earth is also moving West to East at about 790 mph.
Hence the nett velocity of the shadow would be about 1498 mph and the length of the shadow roughly 1498 x 91/60 = 2272 miles.
For various reasons that estimate is only a rough approximation because towards the East the surface slopes away making the velocity higher.
This might be interesting How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? Depends Where You Are by Joe Rao (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html).
There is no "long range Casimir effect".
Yes, I wrote that. So what?
Or take a long look at this:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=76954.msg2081200#msg2081200
Yes, I wrote that. So what? I am at a total loss at why you think that post is even slightly relevant to whatever you are claiming!
That post simply shows how appallingly ignorant you are on the importance of "units".
Simply jackblack 2.0
I am not JackBlack. Get used to it!
By the way, to the best of my knowledge JackBlack has never written "Casimir" in any post he has made.
And I have used "Casimir" many times, in quotes from Prof. Steven Lamoreaux and in what I have written myself.
So, please desist from your silly claim that JackBlack and I are the same person.
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Space travel can not be proven. There is Van Allen belts you have to pass firstly.
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To the topic name, yes it can. How could you train those that go to space without first faking it for them. Without first doing the studies that said it was ok for them to go.
Yes. You can fake going to space. We do it as easily as we send kids to a camp to learn about nature. It's space camp. And its really not that hard to fool us. We'd like to think it is, but in reality - it takes very little to convince even the skeptic he's in space let alone the man who trained for that his whole life.
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To the topic name, yes it can. How could you train those that go to space without first faking it for them. Without first doing the studies that said it was ok for them to go.
Yes. You can fake going to space. We do it as easily as we send kids to a camp to learn about nature. It's space camp. And its really not that hard to fool us. We'd like to think it is, but in reality - it takes very little to convince even the skeptic he's in space let alone the man who trained for that his whole life.
Really? How do you simulate a long term micro-gravity environment anywhere on earth?
It would be hard enough to simulate this on video let alone for a person present on the ISS.
ONE OF THE MOST DETAILED ISS TOUR!!! by Up, into space!
Well, I at least would have no idea how to simulate this on video with virtually no scene changes.
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How could you train those that go to space without first faking it for them. Without first doing the studies that said it was ok for them to go.
You don't need to fake it to train them. Instead they fake various attributes for various times. And they don't even need to train them before sending them up.
Likewise, you don't need to do studies before sending people up there, and if you wanted to do studies you really need to go up there to study, potentially using animals instead of people.
As a comparison, to test a drug, they don't fake it to see if it is safe to use on humans, they test it on animals.
It's space camp.
Space camp teaches about space and has space related activities.
It doesn't fake space.
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Well, I at least would have no idea how to simulate this on video with virtually no scene changes.
Neither does my 12 year old great nephew.
We should have him tested. He may be Australian! ;D
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So people in this topic all we have we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.
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So people in this topic all we have we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.
Whether we can "pass the Van Allen belts" is quite irrelevant to this thread about "Space travel cannot be faked".
But astronauts can pass and have "passed the Van Allen belts".
If YOU knew just a little about the nature of the type of radiation in those Van Allen belts you would know that the best material to shield against it was low atomic weight material like polythene and aluminium - lead is about the worst! It is heavy and ineffective!
And that is the type of material NASA used in the Apollo Command modules.
Not only that but the trajectories taken were to minimise the exposure time in the VA belts and in the end there was more radiation from the much longer time on the moon.
So, you have not shown that "space travel has been faked" and the case is certainly NOT closed.
I do wish that you lunar mission deniers would learn a little bit about space travel instead of proclaiming you abject ignorance all the time - it really is pathetic!
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So people in this topic all we have we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.
Whether we can "pass the Van Allen belts" is quite irrelevant to this thread about "Space travel cannot be faked".
But astronauts can pass and have "passed the Van Allen belts".
If YOU knew just a little about the nature of the type of radiation in those Van Allen belts you would know that the best material to shield against it was low atomic weight material like polythene and aluminium - lead is about the worst! It is heavy and ineffective!
And that is the type of material NASA used in the Apollo Command modules.
Not only that but the trajectories taken were to minimise the exposure time in the VA belts and in the end there was more radiation from the much longer time on the moon.
So, you have not shown that "space travel has been faked" and the case is certainly NOT closed.
I do wish that you lunar mission deniers would learn a little bit about space travel instead of proclaiming you abject ignorance all the time - it really is pathetic!
The only pathetic claims here is you have, you and I well know this.
There isn't an example how they passed the van allen belts. Nobody did a test about it. You have to prove in laboratuary environment first how you can pass the radioactive van allen belts. you can only cook chicken with aluminum foil pan. they cannot withstand high radiation. Stop telling fairy tales.
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Space travel can not be proven. There is Van Allen belts you have to pass firstly.
Van Allen belts are not a problem. Let's see what Dr. Van Allen has to say about it.
The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense."
-Dr. James Van Allen
Huh.
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So people in this topic all we have we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.
We can and have passed the van allen belts.
If you wish to assert that we can't, feel free to prove it. Otherwise you have nothing more than yet another baseless claim.
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So people in this topic all we have we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.
We can and have passed the van allen belts.
You can't and you have not passed it. Prove how you did it theorically and phsically without BS claims like this one.
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Prove how you did it theorically and phsically without BS claims like this one.
Again, that isn't how the burden of proof works.
If you want to claim it is impossible, you need to prove it.
You are yet to explain why the Van Allen belts should present any problem or obstruct passage.
This makes counter-proof I provide almost entirely pointless as you have presented literally nothing to argue against except a claim of impossibility.
If you want physical proof, go investigate the moon landings. Pretty rock solid proof there.
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Prove how you did it theorically and phsically without BS claims like this one.
Again, that isn't how the burden of proof works.
If you want to claim it is impossible, you need to prove it.
You are yet to explain why the Van Allen belts should present any problem or obstruct passage.
This makes counter-proof I provide almost entirely pointless as you have presented literally nothing to argue against except a claim of impossibility.
If you want physical proof, go investigate the moon landings. Pretty rock solid proof there.
Burden of proof does not work how you define it. It works how I define it. If you have a claim so you have to prove it. You can not pre accepted something true and force me prove its being wrong. First you have to prove its being proven. Your childish, baseless claims its being proven does not make it proven but just makes you more ridiculus.
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Burden of proof does not work how you define it. It works how I define it.
No. You don't get to define your own burden of proof so you can avoid it.
If you make a claim you prove it. You don't just get to demand others prove you wrong.
GROW UP!
If you want to claim that the Van Allen belts cannot be penetrated you need to prove it. Don't demand others prove you wrong.
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Burden of proof does not work how you define it. It works how I define it.
No. You don't get to define your own burden of proof so you can avoid it.
If you make a claim you prove it. You don't just get to demand others prove you wrong.
GROW UP!
If you want to claim that the Van Allen belts cannot be penetrated you need to prove it. Don't demand others prove you wrong.
Nope. Stop to saying lie. My burden of proof is "First you have to prove its being proven". You have not proven anything so you have not a right to call me to disprove it. Again, you are still has some baseless BS claims, needs to be verified.
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My burden of proof is
Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
This is a blatant lie you are yet to back up in any way.
As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?
This is an especially strange claim as we have passed them and sent people to the moon.
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My burden of proof is
Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
This is a blatant lie you are yet to back up in any way.
As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?
This is an especially strange claim as we have passed them and sent people to the moon.
I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts. NASA astro'NOTs are saying it. It is not a claim, it is a fact. You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.
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I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts.
So what was this:
Space travel can not be proven. There is Van Allen belts you have to pass firstly.
Sure seems like a claim that we can't pass them, and a claim made by you.
And here it is again:
we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.
YOU are claiming we cannot pass the Van Allen belts.
As such the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that we can't.
NASA astro'NOTs are saying it.
No they aren't.
They are saying that the Orion capsule will be put to the test and need to be tested before humans go in it. But that isn't saying we can't pass the Van Allen belts, just that Orion hasn't.
You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken.
Again, that is just a baseless claim, but more importantly, no one is claiming that.
So again, the burden of proof rests upon you to demonstrate that we cannot pass the Van Allen belts.
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I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts.
So what was this:
Space travel can not be proven. There is Van Allen belts you have to pass firstly.
Sure seems like a claim that we can't pass them, and a claim made by you.
And here it is again:
we can not pass the Van Allen belts. So space travel has been faked, case closed.
YOU are claiming we cannot pass the Van Allen belts.
As such the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that we can't.
NASA astro'NOTs are saying it.
No they aren't.
They are saying that the Orion capsule will be put to the test and need to be tested before humans go in it. But that isn't saying we can't pass the Van Allen belts, just that Orion hasn't.
You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken.
Again, that is just a baseless claim, but more importantly, no one is claiming that.
So again, the burden of proof rests upon you to demonstrate that we cannot pass the Van Allen belts.
Ahaha what a childish argument. I have not claimed people can not pass those belts because I show that NASA workers are admitting to it. They claim it then I support.
Again, stop to childish behaviours do not help your care, grow up and admit you never passed the Van Allen belts, you never gone to the moon.
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My burden of proof is
Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?
I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts. NASA astro'NOTs are saying it. It is not a claim, it is a fact. You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.
NASA engineer admits they can’t get past the Van Allen Belts by Seb Menard (https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=4O5dPsu66Kw)
Your video is a useless distortion of the facts!
No one says that astronauts cannot pass through the Van Allen Belts just that the new shielding in the new Orion spacecraft must be tested!
Trial By Fire: Moon Landing Deniers Fail Test of Reason by GreaterSapien
Claims of "You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken" are ridiculous.
No one ever said that you can "pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken."
The radiation in the VABs is particulate radiation in the form of electrons (β radiation) and protons.
Why Aren't The Van Allen Belts A Barrier To Spaceflight? (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jillianscudder/2017/06/16/astroquizzical-van-allen-belts-barrier-spaceflight/#41a792026f8d)
The problem with the Van Allen belts lies not in them being impassable, but in the charged particles they contain.
Charged particles are damaging to human bodies, but the amount of damage done can range from none to lethal, depending on the energy those particles deposit, the density of those particles, and the length of time you spend being exposed to them.
And then:ENVIRONMENT: radiation and the Van Allen Belts (http://www.clavius.org/envrad.html)
Metals can be used to shield against particle radiation, but they are not the ideal substance. Polyethylene is the choice of particle shielding today, and various substances were available to the Apollo engineers to absorb Van Allen radiation. The fibrous insulation between the inner and outer hulls of the command module was likely the most effective form of radiation shielding. When metals must be used in spacecraft (e.g., for structural strength) then a lighter metal such as aluminum is better than heavier metals such as steel or lead.
The notion that only vast amounts of a very heavy metal could shield against Van Allen belt radiation is a good indicator of how poorly though out the conspiracist radiation case is. What the conspiracists say is the only way of shielding against the Van Allen belt radiation turns out to be the worst way to attempt to do it!
Now there is one person who might just might know a lot more than you and I about the Van Allen Belts and that is Professor James A. Van Allen himself!
Dear Mr. Lambert,
In reply to your e-mail, I send you the following copy of a response that I wrote to another inquiry about 2 months ago --
Ø The radiation belts of the Earth do, indeed, pose important constraints on the safety of human space flight.
Ø The very energetic (tens to hundreds of MeV) protons in the inner radiation belt are the most dangerous and most difficult to shield against. Specifically, prolonged flights (i.e., ones of many months' duration) of humans or other animals in orbits about the Earth must be conducted at altitudes less than about 250 miles in order to avoid significant radiation exposure.
Ø A person in the cabin of a space shuttle in a circular equatorial orbit in the most intense region of the inner radiation belt, at an altitude of about 1000 miles, would be subjected to a fatal dosage of radiation in about one week.
Ø However, the outbound and inbound trajectories of the Apollo spacecraft cut through the outer portions of the inner belt and because of their high speed spent only about 15 minutes in traversing the region and less than 2 hours in traversing the much less penetrating radiation in the outer radiation belt. The resulting radiation exposure for the round trip was less than 1% of a fatal dosage - a very minor risk among the far greater other risks of such flights. I made such estimates in the early 1960s and so informed NASA engineers who were planning the Apollo flights. These estimates are still reliable.
Ø The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense.
James A. Van Allen
The above is contained in: Thread: Statement from James Van Allen on radiation effects, SpitfireIX (https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthread.php?3885-Statement-from-James-Van-Allen-on-radiation-effects&s=359c4bf7120f031a13821c2da72ff66e)
Now, please Wise let this be an end to your ridiculous claims about the Van Allen Belts unless you claim to know more than Prof James A. Van Allen.
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My burden of proof is
Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
This is a blatant lie you are yet to back up in any way.
As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?
This is an especially strange claim as we have passed them and sent people to the moon.
I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts. NASA astro'NOTs are saying it. It is not a claim, it is a fact. You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.
That isn't what is being said in that video. He is talking about testing the electronics and shielding on the new spacecraft. Of course the new spacecraft needs to be tested before sending people on it. Says nothing about previous trips in other spacecraft.
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The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.
If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?
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Interesting thing. They never actually passed right through the belt. They went around it. The Van Allen belt is a belt or ring around earth with high concentration of radiation. So their trajectory was to go around the belt and not through it.
Don't know why this myth even exists. They probably can go through it, but they didnt
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The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.
If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?
we call it "to give a real message between lies". They know they aren't going anywhere. Their bosses aka presidents know they arent going anywehere. But they have to explain why they are not going anywhere. In one hand they are saying they to go the moon, on the other hand they are explaining why they can not go to the moon.
-the advisors of the president shall explain this technical situation to the president.
-We smart people can get what they have explained and why they can not go anywhere.
- Ordinary people, low educated people, so called scientists ie purchased authors, and others will say they are going to the moon whenever they want.
In this way, taxpayers can continue to pay their taxes in peace.
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Interesting thing. They never actually passed right through the belt. They went around it. The Van Allen belt is a belt or ring around earth with high concentration of radiation. So their trajectory was to go around the belt and not through it.
Don't know why this myth even exists. They probably can go through it, but they didnt
It isn't just a ring around the equator. They covers a large portion of Earth, but it is most intense near the equator. They went through a fairly weak section of it. Some people will say that is going through, others will say going around.
We can go through it, the only issue is how much shielding is needed, which now depends a lot upon the electronics rather than the people as the tiny components of ICs can be damaged with much weaker electric fields.
we call it "to give a real message between lies".
Whereas honest people call it "blatantly lying about what they said."
Now do you have anything to back up your claim that we can't go through the belts?
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The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.
If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?
we call it "to give a real message between lies". They know they aren't going anywhere. Their bosses aka presidents know they arent going anywehere. But they have to explain why they are not going anywhere. In one hand they are saying they to go the moon, on the other hand they are explaining why they can not go to the moon.
So you claim to be wiser than Professor James A. Van Allen and pretend to know more about the Van Allen Belts he does.
Read this again: Space travel cannot be faked « Reply #60 on: June 11, 2019, 09:23:53 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=80353.msg2177755#msg2177755) especially the letter from Professor James A. Van Allen.
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The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.
If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?
we call it "to give a real message between lies". They know they aren't going anywhere. Their bosses aka presidents know they arent going anywehere. But they have to explain why they are not going anywhere. In one hand they are saying they to go the moon, on the other hand they are explaining why they can not go to the moon.
So you claim to be wiser than Professor James A. Van Allen and pretend to know more about the Van Allen Belts he does.
Read this again: Space travel cannot be faked « Reply #60 on: June 11, 2019, 09:23:53 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=80353.msg2177755#msg2177755) especially the letter from Professor James A. Van Allen.
What is important here is the theory put forward, not the name van allen. this theory has become public. You can frighten Van Allen and force him to write anything you want. you can copy his handwriting, or convince him with some material motivation. but you cannot convince, scare, or deceive his theory.
In short, van allan belts are fact, but not the name of van allen. He is a human like us, but his thery isn't.
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The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.
If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?
we call it "to give a real message between lies". They know they aren't going anywhere. Their bosses aka presidents know they arent going anywehere. But they have to explain why they are not going anywhere. In one hand they are saying they to go the moon, on the other hand they are explaining why they can not go to the moon.
So you claim to be wiser than Professor James A. Van Allen and pretend to know more about the Van Allen Belts he does.
Read this again: Space travel cannot be faked « Reply #60 on: June 11, 2019, 09:23:53 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=80353.msg2177755#msg2177755) especially the letter from Professor James A. Van Allen.
What is important here is the theory put forward, not the name van allen. this theory has become public. You can frighten Van Allen and force him to write anything you want. you can copy his handwriting, or convince him with some material motivation. but you cannot convince, scare, or deceive his theory.
Please post the evidence that you have to support this accusation or admit that it's no more than guesswork!
In short, van allan belts are fact, but not the name of van allen. He is a human like us, but his thery isn't.
Of course the Van Allen Belts are a fact and in admitting the reality of the Van Allen Belts you have admitted that space is real and that rockets do work in space!
That is because Dr James A Van Allen's information and all other information about the Van Allen Belts was found from rockets going thousands up into space,.
Case closed!
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In short, van allan belts are fact, but not the name of van allen. He is a human like us, but his thery isn't.
I believe wise just admitted that he believes in space travel, a round earth and the science that NASA produces.
3 in one!
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The Van Allen belt argument always seemed weird to me.
If the idea is that NASA lies about everything, why would they even say that the Van Allen belt is a factor in the first place?
we call it "to give a real message between lies". They know they aren't going anywhere. Their bosses aka presidents know they arent going anywehere. But they have to explain why they are not going anywhere. In one hand they are saying they to go the moon, on the other hand they are explaining why they can not go to the moon.
So you claim to be wiser than Professor James A. Van Allen and pretend to know more about the Van Allen Belts he does.
Read this again: Space travel cannot be faked « Reply #60 on: June 11, 2019, 09:23:53 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=80353.msg2177755#msg2177755) especially the letter from Professor James A. Van Allen.
What is important here is the theory put forward, not the name van allen. this theory has become public. You can frighten Van Allen and force him to write anything you want. you can copy his handwriting, or convince him with some material motivation. but you cannot convince, scare, or deceive his theory.
Please post the evidence that you have to support this accusation or admit that it's no more than guesswork!
In short, van allan belts are fact, but not the name of van allen. He is a human like us, but his thery isn't.
Of course the Van Allen Belts are a fact and in admitting the reality of the Van Allen Belts you have admitted that space is real and that rockets do work in space!
That is because Dr James A Van Allen's information and all other information about the Van Allen Belts was found from rockets going thousands up into space,.
Case closed!
Nope. Your claiming closing the case does not close the case magically. Rockets can not enter the space with astroNOTs. There isn't anybody can jump in a radiation pool after wrapped with aluminum folio like a cihcken. this only makes it better to cook, does not protect from radiation.
I telling these is not an evidence of I agree the space. It just because you can not enter the space you have agreed according to your predicted space model. There is a radiation belt and we have not a technology to pass it.
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What is important here is the theory put forward
What is important here is your inability to defend your claims.
You have baselessly asserted that we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
You have provided no justification for this claim.
Until you justify it and explain just why you think it is impossible to pass through them it remains nothing more than a baseless claim and thus your claim of space travel being impossible will be dismissed as unsubstantiated nonsense.
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Of course the Van Allen Belts are a fact and in admitting the reality of the Van Allen Belts you have admitted that space is real and that rockets do work in space!
That is because Dr James A Van Allen's information and all other information about the Van Allen Belts was found from rockets going thousands up into space,.
Case closed!
Nope. Your claiming closing the case does not close the case magically. Rockets can not enter the space with astroNOTs. There isn't anybody can jump in a radiation pool after wrapped with aluminum folio like a cihcken. this only makes it better to cook, does not protect from radiation.
I telling these is not an evidence of I agree the space. It just because you can not enter the space you have agreed according to your predicted space model. There is a radiation belt and we have not a technology to pass it.
So you are changing your story again! Read again:My burden of proof is
Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
This is a blatant lie you are yet to back up in any way.
As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?
You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.
By the way, how come you post YouTube videos when you can't even watch them to see if you agree with them?
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He can watch them. He just posted that screenshot showing the video blocked by discovery channel. You can’t get that message if YouTube is blocked by isp.
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He can watch them. He just posted that screenshot showing the video blocked by discovery channel. You can’t get that message if YouTube is blocked by isp.
You wouldn't be suggesting that Wise might try to deceive us ;D? Surely not our Mr Wise ;)! But he does seem quite happy to post his YouTube videos.
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Of course the Van Allen Belts are a fact and in admitting the reality of the Van Allen Belts you have admitted that space is real and that rockets do work in space!
That is because Dr James A Van Allen's information and all other information about the Van Allen Belts was found from rockets going thousands up into space,.
Case closed!
Nope. Your claiming closing the case does not close the case magically. Rockets can not enter the space with astroNOTs. There isn't anybody can jump in a radiation pool after wrapped with aluminum folio like a cihcken. this only makes it better to cook, does not protect from radiation.
I telling these is not an evidence of I agree the space. It just because you can not enter the space you have agreed according to your predicted space model. There is a radiation belt and we have not a technology to pass it.
So you are changing your story again! Read again:My burden of proof is
Your burden of proof is to demonstrate your claim is true.
You claimed space travel is impossible as we cannot pass the Van Allen Belts.
This is a blatant lie you are yet to back up in any way.
As such the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.
Just why can't we pass the Van Allen Belts?
You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.
By the way, how come you post YouTube videos when you can't even watch them to see if you agree with them?
I've already told it. Stop to BS claims.
I've told that I can open rarely some youtube videos by using some alternative web pages open youtube. But I don't want to use it when really required because your fetö partners are following the web pages I enter then blocking I enter them if there is a link to youtube. I have already told it. Your not reading is your problem, not mine.
Another opportunity I search and watch their similar versions in ok ru web portal. If you use it so I can see.
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I've already told it. Stop to BS claims.
I've told that I can open rarely some youtube videos by using some alternative web pages open youtube. But I don't want to use it when really required because your fetö partners are following the web pages I enter then blocking I enter them if there is a link to youtube. I have already told it. Your not reading is your problem, not mine.
Another opportunity I search and watch their similar versions in ok ru web portal. If you use it so I can see.
Well, you stop making "BS claims" that I need to respond to. And how am I supposed to respond when YOU post a YouTube video?
YOU posted this!I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts. NASA astro'NOTs are saying it. It is not a claim, it is a fact. You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.
Of course, the reply is likely to contain a YouTube video - what would you expect! Now stop complaining!
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I've already told it. Stop to BS claims.
I've told that I can open rarely some youtube videos by using some alternative web pages open youtube. But I don't want to use it when really required because your fetö partners are following the web pages I enter then blocking I enter them if there is a link to youtube. I have already told it. Your not reading is your problem, not mine.
Another opportunity I search and watch their similar versions in ok ru web portal. If you use it so I can see.
Well, you stop making "BS claims" that I need to respond to. And how am I supposed to respond when YOU post a YouTube video?
YOU posted this!I don't claim people can't pass the Van Allen belts. NASA astro'NOTs are saying it. It is not a claim, it is a fact. You can not pass the radiactive belts by wrapping in aluminum foil that we use to cook chicken. Prove the opposite. Jump in a radiactive environment by wrapping yourself to aluminum foil then it means a "scientific claim". Otherwise you have to stop your childish claims baselessly.
Of course, the reply is likely to contain a YouTube video - what would you expect! Now stop complaining!
Again and again, I can find videos by searching in google but can not open them. Anyways have you an argument to prove your magical space travels claims?
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Again and again, I can find videos by searching in google but can not open them. Anyways have you an argument to prove your magical space travels claims?
Why would post a video if you didn't know what was in it?
Have you any argument to prove space travel in not real?
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Why would post a video if you didn't know what was in it?
He just told you.
He can't see it because his internet is censored.
And yes, many things ARE censored in Turkey.
Erdogan and government don't want their people to "know too much".
Wise, if you can, move out of Turkey as soon as you can.
I'm serious, my friend, this is not a joke.
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Wise, if you can, move out of Turkey as soon as you can.
I'm serious, my friend, this is not a joke.
this is not as easy as you say. children need to get out of school. convincing the family to go is required. then you have to convince the European authorities, whichever country you want to go there that it is necessary to go to there. then you go to Europe and you are treated like an Arab. I guess it's not worth it.