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Title: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on February 28, 2019, 11:49:41 PM
All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?

Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3
Water has 1t/m^3 too.

Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.

So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down.

If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on March 01, 2019, 01:56:54 AM
All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?

Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3
Water has 1t/m^3 too.

Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.

So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down.

If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course.
Those forces, the person's weight and the buoyancy of the water are both caused by gravity - so no gravity means no weight and no buoyancy.

So sure, I saw some words that you claimed "disproves the gravity in 30 seconds" but it does nothing of the sort.

Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on March 01, 2019, 01:59:18 AM
It is a very well known fact that water (and all fluids) exhibit pressure gradients. You have even used that yourself previously.
For any fluid the pressure will be greater the lower down you are.
This means the pressure on the top of the person pushing them down will be less than the pressure at the bottom of the person pushing them up.
This means the water will apply an upwards force on the person. So no, the total force applied to the person is an upwards force, not 0.
This means there must be some force pulling the person down (i.e. gravity), to keep it balanced, otherwise the person would be thrown out of the water.

This isn't a disproof of gravity, it is ignoring buoyancy (which is a result of gravity).
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: andresb on March 01, 2019, 03:08:19 AM
Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.
So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.
False. I will assume, for your own good, that you are trolling. You cannot think you are smarter than every scientist in the world when you don't know basic physics known since times of Archimedes.

the pressure on the top of the person pushing them down will be less than the pressure at the bottom of the person pushing them up.
This means the water will apply an upwards force on the person. So no, the total force applied to the person is an upwards force, not 0.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: zork on March 01, 2019, 04:37:55 AM
All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?

Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3
Water has 1t/m^3 too.

Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.

So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down.

If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course.
Are you claimng hat humans can't drown? But sure, I can give you that if you give us replacement equation for weight and buoyant force without gravity.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Platonius21 on March 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
You don't disprove gravity.  You prove that you don't understand or you purposely try to mislead or both.
 
And that calling yourself a  "Flat Earth Scientist" is an insult to all scientists.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on March 01, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.
So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.
False. I will assume, for your own good, that you are trolling. You cannot think you are smarter than every scientist in the world when you don't know basic physics known since times of Archimedes.
Wise, sandokhan, the erstwhile JRoweSkeptic and sceptomatic do indeed think that they are each "are smarter than every scientist in the world".
But somehow they end up with completely different hypotheses as to "how things work". They seem to agree on one point and that is the earth's being flat.

This, though not to such an extreme level, is common among flat-earthers and other conspiracy theorists.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: andresb on March 01, 2019, 02:04:03 PM
Well I guess they are mental then, since I already got a taste of wise's non-existent knowledge on Relativity on the thread "Alternative explanation of Gravity", which is totally basic for any physicist. In this thread we can see that that non-existent knowledge extends even to the most trivial classical things known for any kid in high school... So could be forgiven if wise is around 12 years old. If not, I would advise professional help.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on March 01, 2019, 02:46:39 PM
So could be forgiven if wise is around 12 years old.

No, but he's a Turkish government worker so that explains a lot.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on March 01, 2019, 02:58:30 PM
So could be forgiven if wise is around 12 years old.

No, but he's a Turkish government worker so that explains a lot.
I wonder if he took part in the designing and building of the Turkish satellite, Göktürk-2 ;)?
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Göktürk-2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrk-2)
Göktürk-2 is an earth observation satellite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_observation_satellite) designed and developed by the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_and_Technological_Research_Council_of_Turkey) (TÜBİTAK) and built by TÜBİTAK Space Technologies Research Institute (TÜBİTAK UZAY) and Turkish Aerospace Industries (TUSAŞ) for the Turkish Ministry of National Defence.

Göktürk-2 was launched from Jiuquan Launch Area 4 / SLS-2 in China by a Long March 2D space launch vehicle at 16:12:52 UTC on December 18, 2012, one day before the initial schedule due to poor weather conditions in the region. Equipped with state of the art advanced technology developed by Turkey and a series of new enhancements to provide improved high resolution imagery, it was placed at 16:26 UTC into a low Earth orbit of 686 km (426 mi). The first signal from Göktürk-2 was received at 17:39 UTC in the Tromsĝ Satellite Station, northern Norway.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Pi31415 on March 01, 2019, 04:15:26 PM
Congratulations, you just proved that hot air and lighter than air balloons are impossible, and also that ships can't float on water. In fact, you proved that the principle of buoyancy is completely false. All in 30 seconds, too. Wow!!!
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Themightykabool on March 01, 2019, 05:01:41 PM
Scpeti - things dont fall at a predictable rate.

Danang - circumference divided by diameter does t equal pi.

Wise - things dont float.

What other easily measurable things can you guys come up with to claim fake news?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Mikey T. on March 01, 2019, 07:44:04 PM
Australia is not real.  No idea need lives South of the equator.  The moon landing was filmed on a Hollywood set.  Obama was a lizard person.  Take your pick.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on March 01, 2019, 08:22:17 PM
Australia is not real.  No idea need lives South of the equator.  The moon landing was filmed on a Hollywood set.  Obama was a lizard person.  Take your pick.
René Descartes wrote, "Je pense, donc je suis", "I think so I am".
            RABinOZ writes, "I think Australia exists so Australia exists" but philosophy was never was my strong point.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: John Davis on March 01, 2019, 09:05:21 PM
As far as I know, Australia exists... or the abilities of man are far underweighted.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Heavenly Breeze on March 01, 2019, 09:47:57 PM
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René Descartes wrote, "Je pense, donc je suis", "I think so I am".
            RABinOZ writes, "I think Australia exists so Australia exists" but philosophy was never was my strong point.

I admire you RABinOZ
(http://j-p-g.net/if/2019/03/02/0843937001551505613.jpg)
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: AroundWeGo on March 01, 2019, 11:17:17 PM
And y’all are entirely sure this guy is not someone who spends his free time being a troll cackling at all the responses to stuff like this?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on March 02, 2019, 02:28:45 AM
As far as I know, Australia exists... or the abilities of man are far underweighted.
So we agree once again. It's getting almost a habit, and we can't allow that.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Heavenly Breeze on March 02, 2019, 05:47:32 AM
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Quote from: John Davis on March 01, 2019, 09:05:21 PM
As far as I know, Australia exists... or the abilities of man are far underweighted.

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So we agree once again. It's getting almost a habit, and we can't allow that.
But I do not agree, I'm not sure about the whole truth about Australia, since it is forbidden to take any photos and video filming to private individuals. We cannot find one. Who will live in Skype from any city in Australia. Since it is forbidden there.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on March 02, 2019, 11:53:59 AM
But I do not agree, I'm not sure about the whole truth about Australia, since it is forbidden to take any photos and video filming to private individuals. We cannot find one. Who will live in Skype from any city in Australia. Since it is forbidden there.
You can take photos and film in public, you just can't film in private without consent.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on March 02, 2019, 02:30:26 PM
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Quote from: John Davis on March 01, 2019, 09:05:21 PM
As far as I know, Australia exists... or the abilities of man are far underweighted.

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So we agree once again. It's getting almost a habit, and we can't allow that.
But I do not agree, I'm not sure about the whole truth about Australia, since it is forbidden to take any photos and video filming to private individuals. We cannot find one. Who will live in Skype from any city in Australia. Since it is forbidden there.
That is total rubbish! Skype is not forbidden in Australia and plenty of people use Skype.
Read about Skype in Australia: MEDIA ACCESS AUSTRLIA, SKYPE (https://mediaaccess.org.au/web/social-media/skype).

Read the regulations about photoography in Australia for yourself: Arts Law Centre of Australia, Arts Law Information Sheet, Street photographer’s rights (https://www.artslaw.com.au/info-sheets/info-sheet/street-photographers-rights/).

There are particular issues relating to children: Australian Government, Australian Law Reform Commission: 69. Particular Privacy Issues Affecting Children and Young People, Taking photographs and other images (https://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/69.%20Particular%20Privacy%20Issues%20Affecting%20Children%20and%20Young%20People/taking-photographs-an)

I do wish you people would stop posting this stupid ignorant idiotic garbage about Australia!
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: andresb on March 02, 2019, 05:28:21 PM
He's an obvious troll... no one can be THAT stupid, not even for this forum standards.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Heavenly Breeze on March 03, 2019, 12:39:22 AM
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I do wish you people would stop posting this stupid ignorant idiotic garbage about Australia!
Wow ... thank you so much for the newsletter. But you yourself read that - what is written in these rules? Hope so. I could not find the answer to my question in this pile of useless information.
Although Skype seems not to be banned - officially. But ... we cannot find someone who would openly be able to contact us via Skype from Australia - right from the center of the city and see live people as they go live there. Why does everyone refuse to do this?
And I say only what is really happening, go to the Russian search sector and you will see for yourself, I did not invent all this. As well as the fact that you can’t sail along the coast of Australia on your own (making a private vessel around Australia making a video shoot) - just don’t tell me that this is all due to the safety of navigation - the police must accompany the vessels ... You cannot do this yourself even if you have money for this but will not be authorized by the Australian authorities.
This thread is not on this topic - Sorry.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Heavenly Breeze on March 03, 2019, 12:48:02 AM
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You can take photos and film in public, you just can't film in private without consent.
Sorry, but there is irrefutable evidence that those who did it - paid for it, and all their pictures were withdrawn from the Internet. These were ordinary snapshots of public places. This story is not one.
I do not want to argue uselessly with those who troll, not having studied in detail all these points.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Stash on March 03, 2019, 01:16:34 AM
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You can take photos and film in public, you just can't film in private without consent.
Sorry, but there is irrefutable evidence that those who did it - paid for it, and all their pictures were withdrawn from the Internet. These were ordinary snapshots of public places. This story is not one.
I do not want to argue uselessly with those who troll, not having studied in detail all these points.

I have friends in Australia (and New Zealand). They post images on social media all the time. No problems.

To avoid ridicule, just post some of your irrefutable evidence for your claim.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on March 03, 2019, 01:49:23 AM
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You can take photos and film in public, you just can't film in private without consent.
Sorry, but there is irrefutable evidence that those who did it - paid for it, and all their pictures were withdrawn from the Internet. These were ordinary snapshots of public places. This story is not one.
I do not want to argue uselessly with those who troll, not having studied in detail all these points.
I don't troll, I live in Australia and I showed you the Australian laws.
What some unknown Internet company might do has nothing to do with Australia. Go and complain to them!

If you "do not want to argue uselessly" don't!  It's not my problem or Australia's problem.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on March 03, 2019, 02:45:59 AM
we cannot find someone who would openly be able to contact us via Skype from Australia - right from the center of the city and see live people as they go live there. Why does everyone refuse to do this?
Is it because you are ignoring timezone or they just can't be bothered?

As well as the fact that you can’t sail along the coast of Australia on your own
That's not a fact.

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Sorry, but there is irrefutable evidence that those who did it - paid for it
Then how about you provide some of it, because there are plenty of facebook photos and instagram photos and blogs and so on from people in Australia (either living there or visiting) who have posted plenty of photos.
I've done it myself.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Heavenly Breeze on March 03, 2019, 11:10:13 AM
There are also many videos from Australia that are hosted by various bloggers. Video stories about people living there, and video reviews of cities. Yes, it's all there. And the photo in the social networks - They are full. But you still do not understand what I'm talking about. This is the same as doing the substitution of attraction, calling it gravity - which is not. You do not understand the meaning of Australia or in matters of attraction.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on March 03, 2019, 12:53:51 PM
But you still do not understand what I'm talking about.
I do understand.
You are baselessly asserting crap about Australia.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 09, 2019, 06:27:43 AM
But you still do not understand what I'm talking about.
I do understand.
You are baselessly asserting crap about Australia.

Nope. You are still not understanding what he is talking about. people are doing irrelevant experiments to prove gravity, and these are mostly ignorant people who don't know physics like rabblack, ie you.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: turtles on June 09, 2019, 10:08:54 AM
All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?

Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3
Water has 1t/m^3 too.

Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.

So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down.

If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course.

What happens if you drop a spanner in a submarine?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 09, 2019, 01:28:58 PM
All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?

Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3
Water has 1t/m^3 too.

Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.

So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down.

If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course.

What happens if you drop a spanner in a submarine?

Get say.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Themightykabool on June 10, 2019, 05:13:46 AM
All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?

Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3
Water has 1t/m^3 too.

Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.

So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down.

If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course.

What happens if you drop a spanner in a submarine?
Haha
Wise disproven in 31sec
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 10, 2019, 05:22:07 AM
All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?

Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3
Water has 1t/m^3 too.

Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.

So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down.

If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course.

What happens if you drop a spanner in a submarine?
Haha
Wise disproven in 31sec

Your baselessly claiming me "haha disproven" does not magically disproven me. Where is your proof?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Macarios on June 10, 2019, 05:36:22 AM
All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?

Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3
Water has 1t/m^3 too.

Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.

So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down.

If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course.

What happens if you drop a spanner in a submarine?
Haha
Wise disproven in 31sec

Your baselessly claiming me "haha disproven" does not magically disproven me. Where is your proof?

You yourself confirmed the existence of those very forces when you started your "explanation".

You said that: "weight of the man is balanced with weight of the displaced water".

Where these weights came from without gravity?
How they can balance themselves if they don't exist?

hehe
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 10, 2019, 05:42:10 AM
All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?

Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3
Water has 1t/m^3 too.

Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.

So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down.

If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course.

What happens if you drop a spanner in a submarine?
Haha
Wise disproven in 31sec

Your baselessly claiming me "haha disproven" does not magically disproven me. Where is your proof?

You yourself confirmed the existence of those very forces when you started your "explanation".

You said that: "weight of the man is balanced with weight of the displaced water".

Where these weights came from without gravity?
How they can balance themselves if they don't exist?

hehe

atmospheric stringency causes a downward force. hehe isn't a magic argument makes your magical gravity dreams to a real power.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Macarios on June 10, 2019, 06:03:47 AM
Without atmosphere things are a bit heavier.

Styrofoam of 1 m3 has weight of 50 kilograms.
At sea level 1 m3 of air has weight of 1.225 kilograms.

So, 1 m3 of styrofoam submerged in ar will lose 1.225 kg and weigh 48.775 kg.

Read about Archimedes Principle.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 10, 2019, 06:27:18 AM
Without atmosphere things are a bit heavier.

Styrofoam of 1 m3 has weight of 50 kilograms.
At sea level 1 m3 of air has weight of 1.225 kilograms.

So, 1 m3 of styrofoam submerged in ar will lose 1.225 kg and weigh 48.775 kg.

Read about Archimedes Principle.

At sea level it is heavier because it has more air upside of it. Where is problem here with atmospheric stringency?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Macarios on June 10, 2019, 06:46:26 AM
Without atmosphere things are a bit heavier.

Styrofoam of 1 m3 has weight of 50 kilograms.
At sea level 1 m3 of air has weight of 1.225 kilograms.

So, 1 m3 of styrofoam submerged in ar will lose 1.225 kg and weigh 48.775 kg.

Read about Archimedes Principle.

At sea level it is heavier because it has more air upside of it. Where is problem here with atmospheric stringency?

At sea level 1 cubic meter of styrofoam loses 1.225 kg due to air buoyancy.

Did you have time to learn about Archimedes Principle?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Themightykabool on June 10, 2019, 06:55:44 AM
Please define "stringceny"
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 10, 2019, 06:58:27 AM
Please define "stringceny"

What?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: inquisitive on June 10, 2019, 10:38:15 AM
Without atmosphere things are a bit heavier.

Styrofoam of 1 m3 has weight of 50 kilograms.
At sea level 1 m3 of air has weight of 1.225 kilograms.

So, 1 m3 of styrofoam submerged in ar will lose 1.225 kg and weigh 48.775 kg.

Read about Archimedes Principle.

At sea level it is heavier because it has more air upside of it. Where is problem here with atmospheric stringency?
Stringency?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: turtles on June 10, 2019, 11:20:43 AM
Without atmosphere things are a bit heavier.

Styrofoam of 1 m3 has weight of 50 kilograms.
At sea level 1 m3 of air has weight of 1.225 kilograms.

So, 1 m3 of styrofoam submerged in ar will lose 1.225 kg and weigh 48.775 kg.

Read about Archimedes Principle.

At sea level it is heavier because it has more air upside of it. Where is problem here with atmospheric stringency?

Er, no, at sea level it's being bouyed up by dense air, so it will weigh less. It will weigh it's full 50kg in a vacuum.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 10, 2019, 11:39:30 AM
Without atmosphere things are a bit heavier.

Styrofoam of 1 m3 has weight of 50 kilograms.
At sea level 1 m3 of air has weight of 1.225 kilograms.

So, 1 m3 of styrofoam submerged in ar will lose 1.225 kg and weigh 48.775 kg.

Read about Archimedes Principle.

At sea level it is heavier because it has more air upside of it. Where is problem here with atmospheric stringency?
Stringency?

Scringency?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: boydster on June 10, 2019, 11:53:25 AM
Wise. Define what you mean by stringency please and stop spamming posts everywhere.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on June 10, 2019, 02:22:37 PM
atmospheric stringency causes a downward force. hehe isn't a magic argument makes your magical gravity dreams to a real power.
Easily disproven by so many things it isn't funny.
Objects still fall in a vacuum chamber. Things weigh more in a vacuum chamber.
A helium balloon will rise in the atmosphere.
And so on.

This shows it clearly isn't the atmospheric "stringency" (Are you sure that is what you mean? I find three definitions, one is tightness, one is rigorous standards and one is dealing with money) that causes a downwards force.
Instead (the helium balloon especially) shows that there is a downwards force separate from the atmosphere and that the atmosphere actually provides an upwards force (likely due to the pressure differential you claim cannot exist).
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 11, 2019, 02:21:08 AM
Wise. Define what you mean by stringency please and stop spamming posts everywhere.

Where is the spam? He has said something else and I'm trying to make sure which word he mean. Because he has used two different words similar. If you want to get involved, if you dare, get involved the issue. But you have only dare to use your moderatorship rights those given you without you deserved them, you have not that capability. If you intervene the issue really, get do it, Then you will be snubbed, like your bossinoz. If it is easy to discuss here, come and do it yourself.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 11, 2019, 02:24:47 AM
atmospheric stringency causes a downward force. hehe isn't a magic argument makes your magical gravity dreams to a real power.
Easily disproven by so many things it isn't funny.
Objects still fall in a vacuum chamber. Things weigh more in a vacuum chamber.
A helium balloon will rise in the atmosphere.
And so on.

This shows it clearly isn't the atmospheric "stringency" (Are you sure that is what you mean? I find three definitions, one is tightness, one is rigorous standards and one is dealing with money) that causes a downwards force.
Instead (the helium balloon especially) shows that there is a downwards force separate from the atmosphere and that the atmosphere actually provides an upwards force (likely due to the pressure differential you claim cannot exist).

Helium baloon is the proof of your so called gravitons are absent. helium particles rise. but when they rise higher, although gravitation becomes lower, they do not rise and scatter into space; because there is a wall around them that prevents them from coming out. you couldn't prove otherwise. saying "can be proven otherwise" does not magically prove anything.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on June 11, 2019, 03:08:33 AM
Helium baloon is the proof of your so called gravitons are absent.
No. Helium and bouyancy in general is a disproof of the air causing things to fall.
If air caused things to fall, the helium filled balloon should fall as well.
The only explanation for the buoyant force is the air (or whatever medium the object is in) pushing objects up.
The buoyant force is measurable and acts on all objects.
All you need to do is measure the weight of the object in a vacuum and then measure it in air.
You can also easily observe it with water.
Fill a balloon with air and watch it fall, but put it under water and you can watch it rise.

You can even fill a balloon with helium and watch it rise in air, but sink in hydrogen or low enough pressure air.

So it is clear that the helium doesn't push itself up, instead the air around it does.

The only sane explanation is that there is a general downwards force acting on all objects and a medium applies an upwards, buoyant, force on objects immersed in it.
This ties into the pressure gradient of the fluid caused by this general downwards force as this pressure gradient is what causes the upwards force.
This also shows that the air is pushing objects upwards, not down.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 11, 2019, 03:36:07 AM
<BS deleted>

Helium baloon goes upward not because of air pushes it to up; simple because it is lighter than the air. It contradicts with your childish claim:

The only explanation for the buoyant force is the air (or whatever medium the object is in) pushing objects up.
Nope. Air pushes everything around like everything does. Which one heavier than stays downside. Simple to get but you are denying the fact because your so called scientists did not teach it you in kindergarden.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on June 11, 2019, 03:48:56 AM
Helium baloon goes upward not because of air pushes it to up; simple because it is lighter than the air.
It being lighter than air provides no reason for it to go upwards.
However pressure gradients in mediums (which would push objects upwards) are easily observed and measured.
So no, it goes up because the air pushes it up.
This is further demonstrated by it falling in a vacuum chamber.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Themightykabool on June 11, 2019, 04:17:20 AM
What is stringency?

Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 11, 2019, 04:26:57 AM
What is stringency?

 :) Are you asking this with motivation under boydster or with your free will?  :)

Simple answer here. If you have any doubt about answer so I can help you get it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+stringency
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 11, 2019, 04:30:23 AM
Helium baloon goes upward not because of air pushes it to up; simple because it is lighter than the air.
It being lighter than air provides no reason for it to go upwards.
However pressure gradients in mediums (which would push objects upwards) are easily observed and measured.
So no, it goes up because the air pushes it up.
This is further demonstrated by it falling in a vacuum chamber.

So you have agreed air pushes helium to upward. It means objects pushes each other.

Okay, please repeat after me.

All objects push each other. Lets repeat it: All objects push each other.

Thank you for your supporting the flat earth theory, fellow flat earther.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on June 11, 2019, 04:37:41 AM
So you have agreed air pushes helium to upward. It means objects pushes each other.

Okay, please repeat after me.

All objects push each other. Lets repeat it: All objects push each other.
Just because one "object" pushes one other "object" does not mean that "All objects push each other".
That would be a Hasty Generalization logical fallacy!

And your so-called "Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds" disproves nothing!
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Themightykabool on June 11, 2019, 05:34:38 AM
What is stringency?

 :) Are you asking this with motivation under boydster or with your free will?  :)

Simple answer here. If you have any doubt about answer so I can help you get it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+stringency

Yes
Tried that.
No relevant answers.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 04:50:37 AM
What is stringency?

 :) Are you asking this with motivation under boydster or with your free will?  :)

Simple answer here. If you have any doubt about answer so I can help you get it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+stringency

Yes
Tried that.
No relevant answers.

You have asked the stringency, right? You have tried to learn it and your angry globularist moderator fanatic has forced me to answer you, right? There is an answer there. If you don't know what being stringency, so how you can get whether it is relevant or not? I have told you that ask me which part you don't get I can teach you and you are saying just their not being relevant. You have not that knowledge deciding their being relevant or nor relevant. Just ask which definition you think isn't relevant, and give me the remain part how I see you their being relevant.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 04:51:14 AM
So you have agreed air pushes helium to upward. It means objects pushes each other.

Okay, please repeat after me.

All objects push each other. Lets repeat it: All objects push each other.
Just because one "object" pushes one other "object" does not mean that "All objects push each other".
That would be a Hasty Generalization logical fallacy!

And your so-called "Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds" disproves nothing!

Stop to do make word salad again. Object pushes each other. The fact that generalizations are wrong does not mean that generalizations cannot be made. Spesific examples are specity can not change the general laws. All objects push each other, prove me wrong. Your claiming me does not disprove the gravity does not make me magically do not disproved it. Prove I did not do it.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: boydster on June 13, 2019, 05:29:35 AM
What is stringency?

 :) Are you asking this with motivation under boydster or with your free will?  :)

Simple answer here. If you have any doubt about answer so I can help you get it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+stringency

Yes
Tried that.
No relevant answers.

You have asked the stringency, right? You have tried to learn it and your angry globularist moderator fanatic has forced me to answer you, right? There is an answer there. If you don't know what being stringency, so how you can get whether it is relevant or not? I have told you that ask me which part you don't get I can teach you and you are saying just their not being relevant. You have not that knowledge deciding their being relevant or nor relevant. Just ask which definition you think isn't relevant, and give me the remain part how I see you their being relevant.
No one is interested in playing a game to figure out exactly how you are butchering the English language today. Please explain what you intend that word to mean in the manner you have used it.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on June 13, 2019, 05:30:43 AM
Stop to do make word salad again. Object pushes each other. The fact that generalizations are wrong does not mean that generalizations cannot be made. Spesific examples are specity can not change the general laws. All objects push each other, prove me wrong. Your claiming me does not disprove the gravity does not make me magically do not disproved it. Prove I did not do it.
Your explanation of gravity cannot be correct because objects still fall in a Vacuum chamber where the cannot be any "air push".
Look here showing that objects still fall in a vacuum chamber:
Bowling ball and feathers falling in vacuum - yjr times are not real times but in the slow-motion video:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/wuui1k5zqsbqq4s/Bowling%20ball%20and%20feathers%20falling%20in%20vacuum%20%200.00.jpg?dl=1)
At 0 secs
     
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/84ulvbhvrkun43k/Bowling%20ball%20and%20feathers%20falling%20in%20vacuum%20%200.05.jpg?dl=1)
At 5 secs
     
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2wbbthlzq1y04u/Bowling%20ball%20and%20feathers%20falling%20in%20vacuum%20%200.10.jpg?dl=1)
At 10 secs
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/e99we2t2lkebsmr/Bowling%20ball%20and%20feathers%20falling%20in%20vacuum%20%200.15.jpg?dl=1)
At 15 secs
     
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb0bijgltiu3hrw/Bowling%20ball%20and%20feathers%20falling%20in%20vacuum%20%200.20.jpg?dl=1)
At 20 secs
     
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/q6zaifkyzr1ya8b/Bowling%20ball%20and%20feathers%20falling%20in%20vacuum%20%200.25.jpg?dl=1)
At 25 secs
Objects still fall in a vacuum chamber when there is no air proving that air has nothing to do with objects falling and in fact impeds the falling and can even provide buoyancy.

Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 05:30:50 AM
(https://resimyukle.xyz/d/AIQ81S.png)
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 05:35:55 AM
<empty content>

In one hand, your partners in Turkey are preventing me enter many upload web sites. On the other hand you are asking me some statements by using them. What kind of hypocrisy is this?

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/ed6M5N.png)

Now mister. Stop to shamesly using web pages I can not enter. Either upload them the adress I have uploaded this image above, or call your FETÖ partners in Turkey and tell them to not prevent me enter the web pages. It is easy. Just call cahaya, he does it.

In short, no image, no proof. You have not proved or debunked anything. Upload it this forum, or upload it the adress I gave or there isn't a proof. Stop to behave like Hitler. Your behaviour is a type of fashcism, stop that!
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 01:25:47 PM
Hey Wise, how do you post to the 'Now Playing' thread if you cannot view Youtube?

Can not seing a video isn't preventing me to post the links. I am taking links either from older posts or search by google. I can see video search results on google. But whenever I click then, the video is unreachtable. I am not listening the video on the post I sent, I am watching same in media player from video saved in my computer.

if you're aware, I've been sharing similar things lately. because I can not watch videos on youtube and I can't see recommended new videos. I'm just watching the videos I used to watch.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: sokarul on June 13, 2019, 01:28:43 PM
Lol

Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
Lol

Lol is yourself. We call this as "FETÖ/NASA digital terrorism", not lol.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: sokarul on June 13, 2019, 01:30:44 PM
I already translated what you posted. You changed your settings. When turkey banned youtube a different message appeared.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 01:35:07 PM
I already translated what you posted. You changed your settings. When turkey banned youtube a different message appeared.

Youtube is not banned in entire Turkey nowadays. It is illegally banned in only some computers like mine. when I ask this they say it's not forbidden. but this is a lie. This is because I think fetö/nasa did it.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: sokarul on June 13, 2019, 01:35:50 PM
What does the message you see translate into English?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 01:43:31 PM
What does the message you see translate into English?

Wyoming?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: sokarul on June 13, 2019, 02:06:04 PM
I agree you can’t read Turkish.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
...

Sorry. I've now understand what you mean. Now I'll look it again.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: sokarul on June 13, 2019, 02:12:20 PM
It’s 12 am in Istanbul.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 02:12:53 PM
It’s 12 am in Istanbul.

We're using 24 hours system. It is 00:12

I have yet understand what you meant. You meant the youtube warning. Ok, I'll translate it.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 02:14:41 PM
The message I see in English:

"secure connection failed. The connection to the server was lost while loading the page."
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on June 13, 2019, 02:17:34 PM
<empty content>

In one hand, your partners in Turkey are preventing me enter many upload web sites. On the other hand you are asking me some statements by using them. What kind of hypocrisy is this?

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/ed6M5N.png)

Now mister. Stop to shamesly using web pages I can not enter. Either upload them the adress I have uploaded this image above, or call your FETÖ partners in Turkey and tell them to not prevent me enter the web pages. It is easy. Just call cahaya, he does it.

In short, no image, no proof. You have not proved or debunked anything. Upload it this forum, or upload it the adress I gave or there isn't a proof. Stop to behave like Hitler. Your behaviour is a type of fashcism, stop that!
YOU stop your silly behaviour and please stop lying! YOU claim that "In one hand, your partners in Turkey are preventing me enter many upload web sites" but
I DO NOT HAVE ANY PARTNERS IN TURKEY. Can you read and understand that - now get that massive chip off your shoulder and treat other people decently and you might get along a lot better.

You might find that people were more prepared to follow your wishes if you ceased lying to them and about them!
It is not my fault or the fault of anyone outside Turkey. Blame your government and NOT us thank you.

Now, what site should we upload pictures to?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 02:22:51 PM
<empty content>

In one hand, your partners in Turkey are preventing me enter many upload web sites. On the other hand you are asking me some statements by using them. What kind of hypocrisy is this?

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/ed6M5N.png)

Now mister. Stop to shamesly using web pages I can not enter. Either upload them the adress I have uploaded this image above, or call your FETÖ partners in Turkey and tell them to not prevent me enter the web pages. It is easy. Just call cahaya, he does it.

In short, no image, no proof. You have not proved or debunked anything. Upload it this forum, or upload it the adress I gave or there isn't a proof. Stop to behave like Hitler. Your behaviour is a type of fashcism, stop that!
YOU stop your silly behaviour and please stop lying! YOU claim that "In one hand, your partners in Turkey are preventing me enter many upload web sites" but
I DO NOT HAVE ANY PARTNERS IN TURKEY. Can you read and understand that - now get that massive chip off your shoulder and treat other people decently and you might get along a lot better.

You might find that people were more prepared to follow your wishes if you ceased lying to them and about them!
It is not my fault or the fault of anyone outside Turkey. Blame your government and NOT us thank you.

Now, what site should we upload pictures to?

If you accept, THIS (http://resimyukle.xyz) website. For a while ibb.co was useful but they have prevented me enter it too. I don't write the website name because I think they follow my writings and see it, then block it. They are your partners because they are fetö, you are nasa, fetö and nasa are partner hence they are your partner.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on June 13, 2019, 03:28:21 PM
If you don't know what being stringency, so how you can get whether it is relevant or not?
He was stating that the definitions he obtained while searching for it were not relevant to making objects fall (i.e. replacing gravity).
If you have a different definition, which is relevant to replacing gravity, feel free to provide it.
In one hand, your partners in Turkey are preventing me enter many upload web sites.
It isn't our partners. It is your government. Stop acting like we are to blame for the actions of your corrupt government.

In short, no image, no proof.
You would say the same even with images, just declaring them to be faked or photoshopped.
The images are not needed for the proof.
Objects are known to fall in a vacuum, so we know it isn't the air pushing it down.
In fact, we know the air resists its motion, with objects having a larger surface to mass ratio being slowed more than objects with a smaller surface area to mass ratio.
If it was the air pushing things down it would be the other way around, with lighter objects falling faster than heavier objects.
i.e. we would expect to the see the feather drop straight to the ground as the air can easily push it while a steel ball bearing would just float around as the air struggles to push it down due to its mass.
Instead we see the exact opposite.

And again, buoyancy also shows that the air is not only resisting motion, but actually pushing objects upwards.
This can be demonstrated by weighing an object in a vacuum, and then weighing it in air and observing that the weight in air is less.
Yet if the air was pushing it down, then more air (or air instead of no air) would cause the weight to increase.
We can also see this with helium balloons which float in air but sink at low pressure.

This can further be demonstrated with other mediums/fluids, such as water or mercury, where buoyancy causes objects to float.

We also know this isn't just density magically sorting itself out as we can measure the pressure in these fluids and note the pressure is higher the lower you go, with this pressure differential creating a force which is the buoyant force.

So we can conclusively know that air is not pushing objects down, nor are other fluids.

Your entire attempt at disproof is "I don't understand buoyancy so gravity is fake"
Neutrally buoyant things have the force due to buoyancy balance the force due to gravity.
The pressure of the water above the object is less than the pressure below the object.
This causes an upwards force, which is countered by gravity's downwards force.

Now care to actually address the issue?

If you like I can provide the full explanation of buoyancy again and show how it supports gravity rather than refutes it.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on June 13, 2019, 03:54:17 PM
Now, what site should we upload pictures to?

If you accept, THIS (http://resimyukle.xyz) website. For a while ibb.co was useful but they have prevented me enter it too. I don't write the website name because I think they follow my writings and see it, then block it.
So how are we supposed to know where to post images for you to see. If I get onto that site I find everything in Turkish so how am I supposed to use it!

Quote from: wise
They are your partners because they are fetö, you are nasa, fetö and nasa are partner hence they are your partner. << Total lies struck out >>
I am not fetö and I am not NASA so stop lying with all these untrue claims.

For your information, the earth was known to be a rotating Globe hundreds of years before fetö or NASA were even thought of!

If you can't be sensible why do you bother posting?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: boydster on June 13, 2019, 03:57:59 PM
Ladies, Gentlemen, and Et Cetera. This thread is about disproving gravity. Let's keep the government agent accusations where they belong in AR, and the discussion about what image hosting website to use in order to please wise where it belongs in CN.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on June 13, 2019, 06:28:31 PM
Ladies, Gentlemen, and Et Cetera. This thread is about disproving gravity. Let's keep the government agent accusations where they belong in AR, and the discussion about what image hosting website to use in order to please wise where it belongs in CN.
I would love to do just that but:How does anyone debate or discuss anything under those conditions?  And who, apart from Wise is "taking the FE side"?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 13, 2019, 11:40:54 PM
Ladies, Gentlemen, and Et Cetera. This thread is about disproving gravity. Let's keep the government agent accusations where they belong in AR, and the discussion about what image hosting website to use in order to please wise where it belongs in CN.
I would love to do just that but:
  • How do we learn anything about Wise's explanation of "gravity" or simply "why things fall down".
    It's probably buried somewhere in his Quantum Zeta Forward Level Flat Earth Science by FE Prof. Wise (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66236.msg1768493#msg1768493)

  • How do we post any diagrams or videos that Wise can see?
    If he can't see them he blames US and comes out with this "call your FETÖ partners in Turkey and tell them to not prevent me enter the web pages".

    He comes up this sort of excuse,  "Youtube is not banned in entire Turkey nowadays. It is illegally banned in only some computers like mine. when I ask this they say it's not forbidden. but this is a lie. This is because I think fetö/nasa did it.".
How does anyone debate or discuss anything under those conditions?  And who, apart from Wise is "taking the FE side"?

Is it harder to upload your BS claims to website I gave its name than discussing whether discussing its required or not required.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on June 13, 2019, 11:53:26 PM
Is it harder to upload your BS claims to website I gave its name than discussing whether discussing its required or not required.
1) Yes it is because the site I use appears as a folder on my PC, phone or tablet.
2) I can no longer find the <url> of that website but I'll look again.
3) It was all in Turkish and I could translate some but not enough to really know what I was doing.
4) Why should I waste time caring what you think anyway when you call my posts "BS claims"?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 14, 2019, 01:24:43 AM
Is it harder to upload your BS claims to website I gave its name than discussing whether discussing its required or not required.
1) Yes it is because the site I use appears as a folder on my PC, phone or tablet.
2) I can no longer find the <url> of that website but I'll look again.
3) It was all in Turkish and I could translate some but not enough to really know what I was doing.
4) Why should I waste time caring what you think anyway when you call my posts "BS claims"?

4) You should not.
1-2-3) macarios has explained how to use.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=81502.msg2178124#msg2178124
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on June 14, 2019, 04:17:49 AM
Is it harder to upload your BS claims to website I gave its name than discussing whether discussing its required or not required.
1) Yes it is because the site I use appears as a folder on my PC, phone or tablet.
2) I can no longer find the <url> of that website but I'll look again.
3) It was all in Turkish and I could translate some but not enough to really know what I was doing.
4) Why should I waste time caring what you think anyway when you call my posts "BS claims"?

4) You should not.
1-2-3) macarios has explained how to use.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=81502.msg2178124#msg2178124
I'll give it a go for some but, as I said, my pictures are in a folder on my computer and easy to find, modify and keep track of.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: boydster on June 14, 2019, 04:29:03 AM
.. my pictures are in a folder on my computer and easy to find, modify...

I knew it. Those pictures are all fakes!!
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on June 14, 2019, 04:38:02 AM
.. my pictures are in a folder on my computer and easy to find, modify...
I knew it. Those pictures are all fakes!!
Some I created so really were "computer generated" by ME on my computer so are CGI,
quite a number are photographs and they were "computer generated" in the camera from light coming through the lens, so I guess that they are CGI too and
others were downloaded and you'll have to form your own opinion there ;).

So fakes or not I'd have to admit that most are "CGI" ;) though a few were taken on a real camera with real film so maybe they're not CGI.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 14, 2019, 02:08:08 PM
Is it harder to upload your BS claims to website I gave its name than discussing whether discussing its required or not required.
1) Yes it is because the site I use appears as a folder on my PC, phone or tablet.
2) I can no longer find the <url> of that website but I'll look again.
3) It was all in Turkish and I could translate some but not enough to really know what I was doing.
4) Why should I waste time caring what you think anyway when you call my posts "BS claims"?

4) You should not.
1-2-3) macarios has explained how to use.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=81502.msg2178124#msg2178124
I'll give it a go for some but, as I said, my pictures are in a folder on my computer and easy to find, modify and keep track of.

I don't recommend you to move them. Just upload that website when required. I think you can do it. If you can not, so call boydsta to do it. He takes your wish as an order.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on June 14, 2019, 04:32:51 PM
I'll give it a go for some but, as I said, my pictures are in a folder on my computer and easy to find, modify and keep track of.
I don't recommend you to move them. Just upload that website when required. I think you can do it. If you can not, so call boydsta to do it. He takes your wish as an order.
I've made an account and uploaded a couple of photos. Can photos be arranged into folders on that site?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Jargon on June 15, 2019, 07:43:43 AM
I already translated what you posted. You changed your settings. When turkey banned youtube a different message appeared.

Youtube is not banned in entire Turkey nowadays. It is illegally banned in only some computers like mine. when I ask this they say it's not forbidden. but this is a lie. This is because I think fetö/nasa did it.
VPN dude.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Heavenly Breeze on June 15, 2019, 11:52:59 PM

I think it's interesting to read.
http://nikolay-levashov.ru/%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F/%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BD%D0%B5-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8F%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5/
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on June 16, 2019, 12:07:13 AM
I think it's interesting to read.
Not really.
It is just a bunch of unsubstantiated (and in some cases refuted) nonsense.
It claims that only planets display gravity (in our solar system). Yet it has absolutely no justification or basis for this. It is also refuted by things like satellites orbiting the moon. It isn't not being promoted because it is inexplicable. It is not being promoted because it is baseless garbage.
It then completely lies about Cavendish. The experiment has been repeated in many different ways and has repeatedly confirmed the existence of gravity.
It then completely lies about NEAR. And so on.

It seems to just be garbage slamming the west and promoting their Russian prophet.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 16, 2019, 12:26:31 PM
VPN dude.
VPN doesn't work.

I'll give it a go for some but, as I said, my pictures are in a folder on my computer and easy to find, modify and keep track of.
I don't recommend you to move them. Just upload that website when required. I think you can do it. If you can not, so call boydsta to do it. He takes your wish as an order.
I've made an account and uploaded a couple of photos. Can photos be arranged into folders on that site?

I don't know. I just watch videos from there.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Heavenly Breeze on June 23, 2019, 02:46:46 AM

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It then completely lies about Cavendish. The experiment has been repeated in many different ways and has repeatedly confirmed the existence of gravity.

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Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: turtles on June 23, 2019, 03:43:20 AM
Wise, this thread has been open for almost 4 months.

You said you'd disprove gravity in 30 seconds, but we're still waiting.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Macarios on June 23, 2019, 04:16:31 AM

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It then completely lies about Cavendish. The experiment has been repeated in many different ways and has repeatedly confirmed the existence of gravity.

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The guy in this video says that his big mass is 10 kg.
When it was close the little mass is at about 20 cm (0.2 m) center-to-center distance.
Big mass at that distance produces gravitational acceleration of:

a = G * M / d2 = 6.674×10−11 * 10 / 0.22 = 1.6685 * 10-8.

For the end of the rod to move 3-4 mm the smalll mass has to move 1 mm (0.001 m).

At the acceleration caused by big mass for small mass to move for 1 mm would take:

d = v0 * t + a * t2 AND v0 = 0 =>

t = sqrt(d / a) = sqrt(0.001 / 1.6685 * 10-8) = 244.8 seconds.

Four minutes to move for 1 millimeter.
Minute hand on your wrist watch moves four times faster.

Did the guy in the video wait for more than 6-7 seconds?
Looks like he didn't. :)

His goal was not to prove anything.
It was to convince people who don't know enough.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on June 23, 2019, 02:23:43 PM
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Yes, no comments to the destruction of your link.
Instead all you can do is provide more garbage.

Showing someone with no idea how to replicate the experiment, completely failing to replicate it, does nothing to the credibility of the experiment.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 24, 2019, 06:13:25 AM
Wise, this thread has been open for almost 4 months.

You said you'd disprove gravity in 30 seconds, but we're still waiting.

I've proved gravity in 30 seconds for everybody has ordinary logic. If you understand later, so you have delayed in understanding the issue.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: sokarul on June 24, 2019, 09:38:58 AM
Wise, this thread has been open for almost 4 months.

You said you'd disprove gravity in 30 seconds, but we're still waiting.

I've proved gravity in 30 seconds for everybody has ordinary logic. If you understand later, so you have delayed in understanding the issue.

You proved gravity in 30 seconds. This thread can be locked now. OP said gravity is real.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 24, 2019, 09:51:09 AM
Wise, this thread has been open for almost 4 months.

You said you'd disprove gravity in 30 seconds, but we're still waiting.

I've proved gravity in 30 seconds for everybody has ordinary logic. If you understand later, so you have delayed in understanding the issue.

You proved gravity in 30 seconds. This thread can be locked now. OP said gravity is real.

How many seconds passed when you read this? =>

All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?

Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3
Water has 1t/m^3 too.

Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance.

So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down.

<=

If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course.

Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: sokarul on June 24, 2019, 10:02:54 AM
You said you proved gravity.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 11:43:23 AM
So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

Not zero. Not only by water.
By water and gravity together.

Learn about Archimedes Principle.

Water displaced by the submerged body counteracts gravity force by own weight.

Why else would rock sink under water, and water sink under wood?
What would pull them there?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 24, 2019, 02:02:00 PM
So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

Not zero. Not only by water.
By water and gravity together.

Learn about Archimedes Principle.

Water displaced by the submerged body counteracts gravity force by own weight.

Why else would rock sink under water, and water sink under wood?
What would pull them there?

Draw it and prove what you said first. I know what Archimet says but saying the name of Archimet does not magically convert your argument to reality.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Themightykabool on June 24, 2019, 02:32:27 PM
So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero.

Not zero. Not only by water.
By water and gravity together.

Learn about Archimedes Principle.

Water displaced by the submerged body counteracts gravity force by own weight.

Why else would rock sink under water, and water sink under wood?
What would pull them there?

Draw it and prove what you said first. I know what Archimet says but saying the name of Archimet does not magically convert your argument to reality.

Its been proven.
Thats how they can build massive ocean liners.
We can add oceanliners to your list of fake news?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on June 24, 2019, 03:09:22 PM
I've proved gravity in 30 seconds for everybody has ordinary logic.
Finally some truth.

You finally admit you have proven it, not disproved it.
We can all go home now.

If you wish to cling to your nonsense of your OP disproving gravity (instead of proving it as you just admitted), then you will need to actually address the objections raised.
You ignoring how buoyancy works doesn't change the facts and disprove gravity.

As pointed out before, the initial assumption you make is completely wrong.
The pressure above the object in the water is less than the pressure below the object in the water.
This is due to the pressure gradient as established by gravity.
This pressure gradient then pushes the object upwards.

Again as a reminder if you have a column of fluid with a density of ρ, with a cross sectional area of A and a height of h (and thus with a volume of A h and thus a mass of ρ A h) in a gravitational field which results in an acceleration of g on objects in free fall (and thus the fluid has a weight of g ρ A h, and the pressure at the top of this column is Pt, then the pressure at the bottom Pb will be given as follows:
First, we convert the pressure at the top to a force.
Ft=Pt A.
The bottom needs to provide a force to counter both that force at the top pushing it down and the weight of the fluid (noting that this force is upwards to counter the downwards force from gravity and the downwards force from the pressure at the top)
i.e. Fb=Pt A+g ρ A h.
And now we convert this force into a pressure by dividing by the area:
Pb=(Pt A+g ρ A h)/A=Pt+g ρ h

This means the pressure at the bottom of the column will be greater than at the top. The difference will be equal to g ρ h.

This can easily be tested with a balloon at the beach. Inflate the balloon. Note how large it is. Now dive down. As you do so you will notice the balloon will shrink as it equalises with the pressure outside. While there will be some error due to the tension in the skin of the balloon this is a good simple measuring tool.
If you compare the volume at the surface with the volume at approximately 10 m, you will find it is halved. This corresponds to the pressure being doubled, just as you would expect for water in Earth gravity.

So this clearly shows that the pressure below the object in the water will be greater than the pressure above the object.
Thus the net force on the object from the water will be upwards, and will correspond to the difference in the pressure at the top and the pressure at the bottom and the cross sectional area of the object, i.e. g ρ h A. This works for a simple prismatic shape. For more complex shapes you can break it into prismatic shapes and add up all the contributions, but it ends up being the same. The upwards buoyant force on an object in a fluid is equal to the product of the volume displaced, the density of the fluid and the gravitational acceleration.

In order for something to be neutrally buoyant and remain in place, then the force due to gravity would need to perfectly cancel the force due to buoyancy. This condition is met when the density is equal.

So no, your OP doesn't disprove gravity as it starts with a false assumption which is easily disproven.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Macarios on June 24, 2019, 03:28:39 PM
I know what Archimet says but saying the name of Archimet does not magically convert your argument to reality.

I was not talking about the Archimedes himself, I was talking about the principle that has his name.

What pulls stone to go under water, and what pulls water to go under wood?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: themagicker on June 24, 2019, 04:35:43 PM
Dear Sir or Madam,

I have a series of grievances that require addressing:

"All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?"

"Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3 water has 1t/m^3 too."

The figures presented above are both approximations, water and people have densities that differ by about 12 kg/m^3, but by using tonnes you lose that accuracy.

"Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance."

Humans typically float to the top of water because we are less dense than water, but again, the approximation of densities is what causes this logical fallacy.

"So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero."

The phrase you are looking for is net force, and yes this part in theory is correct in accordance with Newton's third law; however, the correct situation is where the human body is pulled down by gravity, but pushed up by the buoyant force of the water, and since the person is less dense than water, the volume of water they displace is equal to their weight, but less than their total volume. Thus, they float.

"if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down."

Again, this does not work because humans are buoyant; however, if you try the same thing with something like a bowling ball (which is denser than water), then you will notice the effects of gravity as the bowling ball sinks to the bottom.

"If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course."

This sentence is just too full of grammatical errors for me to understand.

Thank you for your time.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: MouseWalker on June 24, 2019, 09:14:48 PM
Dear Sir or Madam,

I have a series of grievances that require addressing:

"All objects in the earth are under force of gravity, right?"

"Think an object, like human, has density about 1t/m^3 water has 1t/m^3 too."

The figures presented above are both approximations, water and people have densities that differ by about 12 kg/m^3, but by using tonnes you lose that accuracy.

"Imagine a person in water. the water at the top of it and the water under it are equal forces him and create a balance."

Humans typically float to the top of water because we are less dense than water, but again, the approximation of densities is what causes this logical fallacy.

"So; The total force applied to the person by water is zero."

The phrase you are looking for is net force, and yes this part in theory is correct in accordance with Newton's third law; however, the correct situation is where the human body is pulled down by gravity, but pushed up by the buoyant force of the water, and since the person is less dense than water, the volume of water they displace is equal to their weight, but less than their total volume. Thus, they float.

"if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down."

Again, this does not work because humans are buoyant; however, if you try the same thing with something like a bowling ball (which is denser than water), then you will notice the effects of gravity as the bowling ball sinks to the bottom.

"If you have read this writing in 30 seconds so you've saw a disprooof which disproves the gravity in 30 seconds. it's your problem that you haven't gone to a fast reading course."

This sentence is just too full of grammatical errors for me to understand.

Thank you for your time.

You forget that it is gravity that gives your direction, of buoyancy.
Without gravity there is no up.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 25, 2019, 12:08:08 PM

time

Prove the existance of buoyancy force first. It is absent. It is imaginary. It is fake.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 25, 2019, 12:10:13 PM
I've disproved gravity in 30 seconds for everybody has ordinary logic.
:'(  :'(  :'( I've talking BS. I have no evidence so I am doing mathematic salad to claim I know many things.  :'(
Nah! Try it again.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 25, 2019, 12:11:12 PM
I know what Archimet says but saying the name of Archimet does not magically convert your argument to reality.

I was not talking about the Archimedes himself, I was talking about the principle that has his name.

What pulls stone to go under water, and what pulls water to go under wood?

Difference of "weight".
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Macarios on June 25, 2019, 01:02:26 PM
I know what Archimet says but saying the name of Archimet does not magically convert your argument to reality.

I was not talking about the Archimedes himself, I was talking about the principle that has his name.

What pulls stone to go under water, and what pulls water to go under wood?

Difference of "weight".

Now you are getting somewhere.

Why swimmer needs water to swim?

Wouldn't he just drop to the bottom if there was no water to sink below him and hold him?

(Hold him against what?)
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on June 25, 2019, 02:31:06 PM
Prove the existance of buoyancy force first. It is absent. It is imaginary. It is fake.
Your own argument proves it.
Things float on water.
That is buoyancy.

The pressure difference is easily proven by taking a balloon filled with air and diving into water.

You have disproven gravity.
Instead, your argument, when all the errors are corrected, supports gravity.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 25, 2019, 03:12:20 PM
I know what Archimet says but saying the name of Archimet does not magically convert your argument to reality.

I was not talking about the Archimedes himself, I was talking about the principle that has his name.

What pulls stone to go under water, and what pulls water to go under wood?

Difference of "weight".

Now you are getting somewhere.

Why swimmer needs water to swim?

Wouldn't he just drop to the bottom if there was no water to sink below him and hold him?

(Hold him against what?)

Simple Because, self-weight of water is more than self-weight of human. Your magic  buoyancy has not a role here.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on June 25, 2019, 03:48:38 PM
Simple Because, self-weight of water is more than self-weight of human. Your magic buoyancy has not a role here.

But it is gravity that produces the "self-weight of water" and "self-weight of human" and the  "self-weight of water" is the "buoyancy".
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Themightykabool on June 25, 2019, 03:56:09 PM
Is wise arguing that easily measurable and verifiable displacement and floating doesnt exist?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: MouseWalker on June 25, 2019, 05:18:44 PM

time

Prove the existance of buoyancy force first. It is absent. It is imaginary. It is fake.

Ships float, is the action of buoyancy, when object displaces it's weight in a fluid, it floats, this action we call buoyancy.
A hot air balloon, displaces its weight, so it floats, and we call this buoyancy of the hot air balloon.
These are actions that you can see daily.
The problem appears to be why this occurs.
The object that floats, is displacing its weight in the fluid that it is in.
This action that you see, we call buoyancy.
There is nothing to prove, or disprove. It happens all the time.


Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Themightykabool on June 25, 2019, 05:53:19 PM
Displacing its volume in liquid.
The liquid weight.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on June 25, 2019, 06:11:55 PM
Simple Because, self-weight of water is more than self-weight of human. Your magic  buoyancy has not a role here.
No magic is needed.
Again, these pressure variations are measurable. There is plenty of evidence supporting their existence.

Like I said, go get a balloon, inflate it above water, then dive down.
You will observe that as you go deeper, the pressure of the water increases causing the balloon to be compressed to equalise the pressure. You can even take a pressure gauge with you and measure the pressure. You can even set up a little experiment to do it above the water by putting a pressure gauge at the bottom of a container and measuring the pressure as a fluid is added.
This will allow you to confirm that the pressure is proportional to height.
If you can measure the density of a fluid (such as by weighing a known volume) you can then try different fluids and confirm that it is proportional to density.
That will allow you to confirm that the pressure differential is proportional to the product of density and height, with the constant of proportionality being ~9.8 m/s2.
You can then also confirm that that 9.8 m/s2 corresponds to the rate of acceleration of an object in free fall in various ways.

Regardless, even confirming this pressure differential exists is enough to confirm buoyancy.
That means if you place an object in this fluid the pressure below will be greater than the pressure above which will result in an upwards force. This upwards force is the buoyant force.

You can even measure it directly if you have a scale. A good one to use is a hanging scale. Get a weight and see how much it weighs by hanging it from the scale. Then submerge the weight in water and you will observe that the weight decreases. If you accurately know the volume of the weight and the density of the fluid, you can even check if the mass difference reported by the scale matches the mass of fluid displaced.
The other important part is that an object heavier than water still has its weight reduced by water.

So it isn't a case of your magic sentient density.

These are all experiments you can go and do yourself.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 25, 2019, 11:24:31 PM

time

Prove the existance of buoyancy force first. It is absent. It is imaginary. It is fake.

Ships float, is the action of buoyancy, when object displaces it's weight in a fluid, it floats, this action we call buoyancy.


You are completely ignorant about how weight issues go. the rate of weight to volume of the ship does not sink if it is less than water and sink if it is heavier. that's all.

there is no need a buoyancy or such magic words; which only created to a supportive argument of gravity. It is clear that no need to so called buoyancy.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on June 25, 2019, 11:27:24 PM
Simple Because, self-weight of water is more than self-weight of human. Your magic  buoyancy has not a role here.
No magic is needed.
Again, these pressure variations are measurable. There is plenty of evidence supporting their existence.
Nope. There is nothing can prove the buoyancy. If something has unit weight less than water stands on it; if more than sinks. Why do you need to create a magic word as buoyancy? What is its role here other than being a fake argument?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on June 26, 2019, 12:16:37 AM
Nope. There is nothing can prove the buoyancy. If something has unit weight less than water stands on it; if more than sinks. Why do you need to create a magic word as buoyancy? What is its role here other than being a fake argument?
You are the one appealing to magic here. Buoyancy is measurable and is only created to explain reality. Gravity explains buoyancy.
It gives a reason for the existence of the real, measurable pressure gradient which causes the buoyant force.
It also matches the real measurable buoyant force.
It isn't the simple delusional fantasy you make it out to be where objects weighing more than water sink and objects weighing less float.
It is the apparent weight of the object is reduced based upon the density and volume of the fluid displaced.

The simple fact is buoyancy is a result of gravity and as such your OP does not disprove gravity in the slightest.

If you wish to reject buoyancy and instead appeal to magic sentient density, you will need to explain what causes the very real and measurable pressure gradients in fluids and how these magically only exert a force on pressure measuring devices rather than also exerting it on objects in the fluid.

You dismissing buoyancy and dismissing all the proof for it, including experiments you can easily do yourself, does not support your case. Instead it shows you have no case.

Now care to actually address these issues, or admit your 30 disproof is garbage?
Why do fluids have pressure gradients in them where the pressure increases the further down you go?
Why does this pressure gradient not provide an upwards force on the object (i.e. the buoyant force)?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on July 02, 2019, 03:38:25 AM
You are the one appealing to magic here.
Your baseless claims have not any value but BS.
Buoyancy is measurable and is only created to explain reality.
Nope. You can not measure something absent. It is theorically absent, practically absent, no need to it. And thanksfully you have accepted it has "CREATED". Yeah, it is absent but created, faked for faking, manipulating the reality.
Gravity explains buoyancy.
Gravity since absent can not explain anything.
It gives a reason for the existence of the real, measurable pressure gradient which causes the buoyant force.
Nope. The only reason water lifting anything that its self-weight is less than water. That's all. You already know this but childishly manipulating the issue. Your lies, repeating same lies again and again can not change the facts.
It also matches the real measurable buoyant force.
Again and again, thre isn't anything as buoyant force. the force applied upwardly to the object is equal to the force calculated due to the difference in self-weight between water. water does not lift anything but your childish imagination.
<continoues BS>
Now grow up and give up talk nonsences like buoyancy. This behave does not make your argument magically stronger but makes your more childish and a hopeless case.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on July 02, 2019, 03:59:39 AM
<continoues BS>
I see no where in that pile of BS did you even attempt to deal with what has been presented.
You ignoring the very real pressure gradient or its consequences wont magically make it vanish.
GROW UP.
Either deal with the arguments presented or shut up.

If you just plan on spamming the same childish BS, I am done on this thread as well. It is just another thread you are resorting to spam to try and avoid admitting you are wrong.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on July 02, 2019, 04:07:22 AM
<continoues BS>

You are the only BS presenter here.
So called pressure gradient can not magically save you. Fish living under 3000 meters of water proves that your claim is a BS. you can't breathe under high pressure. you drown more each time. get it jackblack? high pressure, does not allow you breath jackblack, get it now?
GROW UP.
Either deal with the arguments presented or shut up.
You and your alts are the only spammer here. You are constantly repeating same BS by different way and whenever I reply you with very strong arguments, then you are starting to cry by blaiming me to spamming. Your number of alts do not magically make you right. You are wrong because you are trying to defend something wrong with your childish BS so called arguments.

Now, stop presenting anymore BS and resign this issue. Because you have lost without any doubt. Gravity debunked. You have lost.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on July 02, 2019, 04:16:26 AM
Fish living under 3000 meters of water proves that your claim is a BS.
How?
Do you mean how some are unable to survive near the surface as the pressure is too low?

Again, a simple balloon proves my claim to be correct.
You can get a pressure gauge and check for yourself.

you can't breathe under high pressure.
Why?
Spouting a bunch of unsubstantiated lies to try and prop up your prior lies wont save you.

Do you know what the bends are?
It is from people breathing at high pressures, creating a larger amount of dissolved gasses in their blood, then coming up to the surface too quickly, where the pressure drops and lowers the solubility of the gas in your blood, causing gas bubbles to form.
This shows that not only can you breathe at high pressures, but that rapidly changing pressure can cause serious issues and the deeper you are the higher the pressure.

Now care to actually address this very real pressure gradient rather than just lying to try and dismiss it?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on July 02, 2019, 04:46:27 AM
How?
There is 3000 toms/mt pressure under 3000 metres depth.Get it now? Again, I guess you have a problem of understanding.
Do you mean how some are unable to survive near the surface as the pressure is too low?
I think I mean opposite of your saying. Stop to manipulate what I say. G>row up. Your manipulating the issue proves how you are hopeless hope a manipulation helps you.
Again, a simple balloon proves my claim to be correct.
How again? Claiming its proving anything only proves how you are ignorant. Simple baloon experiment proves you are wrong. Because baloon beats the so called gravity.
Why?
Watch how an anaconda kills animals. as the animal exhales, it squeezes more and makes it impossible for him to breathe again. clearly the fish will not be able to use it again due to high pressure at the time it uses the gills. this is proof that the pressure diagram is a lie. Since I have proved pressure diagram is a lie so gravity is disproved one more time. Thanks for your help me to disprove it one more time. You can proud yourself to help me to disprove the gravity. Actually, I did not need your help, but anyways.
<more BS<
Again, give up childish behave and accept the gravity is a hoax like I have many times proved. Your onle action was just childishly objectiing the facts without any arguments. Your childish behaviour does not magically make gravity exist. Because it has definitely debunked at the moment, without any doubt. Grow up and accept you have lost.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: rabinoz on July 02, 2019, 05:03:19 AM
Again, give up childish behave and accept the gravity is a hoax like I have many times proved. Your onle action was just childishly objectiing the facts without any arguments. Your childish behaviour does not magically make gravity exist. Because it has definitely debunked at the moment, without any doubt.
Incorrect!
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on July 02, 2019, 05:05:40 AM
Again, give up childish behave and accept the gravity is a hoax like I have many times proved. Your onle action was just childishly objectiing the facts without any arguments. Your childish behaviour does not magically make gravity exist. Because it has definitely debunked at the moment, without any doubt.
Incorrect!
Your claiming its being incorrect without presenting any argument proves your agreing its being true and you've agreed the earth is flat.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: turtles on July 02, 2019, 07:31:05 AM
Nope. The only reason water lifting anything that its self-weight is less than water. That's all. You already know this but childishly manipulating the issue. Your lies, repeating same lies again and again can not change the facts.

What do you think is giving the water it's weight?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on July 02, 2019, 02:42:34 PM
There is 3000 toms/mt pressure under 3000 metres depth.
I have no idea what you are trying to say there.
There are no such units as toms or mt.

At 3000 m, the pressure would be roughly 300 bar.

But so what?
Why would that magically mean you can't breathe?

I think I mean opposite of your saying.
So you mean the complete opposite of reality?
There is no reason for those high pressures to prevent people from breathing, nor does it make aquatic life impossible.

How again?
I already explained, but you ignored it because it so easily shows you are wrong.
Inflate the balloon above the water.
Then take it under water.
You will observe that as you go deeper and deeper the pressure of the water will crush the balloon until the pressure is roughly equal, reducing the size of the balloon.
If you go down 10 m the balloon will reduce to roughly 1/2 of its original volume.
If you go down 20 m, the balloon will be roughly 1/3 of its original volume.
And so on.

If there was no pressure gradient the balloon would remain the same size.

Simple baloon experiment proves you are wrong. Because baloon beats the so called gravity.
No it doesn't, as already explained to you.
A helium filled balloon is indirectly pushed up by gravity due to buoyancy.
Gravity creates a pressure gradient in any fluid, which results in an upwards force proportional to the volume displaced and the density of the fluid.
A helium filled balloon rising is 100% consistent with gravity.
This is even demonstrated better with vacuum chambers where the density of the surrounding air drops enough so the buoyant force can no longer lift the balloon.

Watch how an anaconda kills animals.
In a way fundamentally different to pressure.
Notice how the constrictor is only squeezing on the sides of the animal.
This is vastly different to hydrostatic pressure from a fluid.
This hydrostatic pressure presses in all directions.

The other key issue is the pressure of the air.
The animal can't breathe because of the air is not great enough to overcome the force of the constrictor pushing against it.
It  is because of the massive pressure differential, where the pressure on the outside of the lungs is much larger than the pressure inside so it can't inflate.
If you instead applied that same pressure, but also had pressurised air, you would be just fine, because you remove the massive pressure differential.

So it isn't the pressure that is the problem, it is the pressure differential across the wall of the lung.

Since I have proved pressure diagram is a lie
You have proven no such thing.
Your strawman comparison doesn't help your case.

And again you just ignore what clearly shows you to be wrong where you can't lie your way out.
Why are you so afraid of reality?
Why do you need to reject it so much to try and prop up your nonsense?

Here it is again:
Do you know what the bends are?
It is from people breathing at high pressures, creating a larger amount of dissolved gasses in their blood, then coming up to the surface too quickly, where the pressure drops and lowers the solubility of the gas in your blood, causing gas bubbles to form.
This shows that not only can you breathe at high pressures, but that rapidly changing pressure can cause serious issues and the deeper you are the higher the pressure.

If you need a summary:
Pressure gradients exist in fluids.
This is substantiated by plenty of evidence, including deep sea fish which need the pressure to live, balloons which you can easily take down, even a long straw to the surface which you can't breathe through (akin to a constrictor crushing your chest), while you can breathe from a pressurised gas tank, actual pressure gauges to directly measure it, and the buoyant force, which results from this pressure gradient.
This is refuted by absolutely nothing.

Now care to actually address this very real pressure gradient rather than just lying to try and dismiss it?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on July 03, 2019, 12:31:06 AM
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Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on July 03, 2019, 04:09:45 AM
<more pathetic, childish, bovine excrement>
You repeatedly asserting that you can't breathe with some pressure doesn't magically make it true.
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE?
Where is any justification?

All you have are lies to back up your wilful ignorance.

Don't complain about me making word salat when you repeatedly spout nonsense.
m is the symbol for the unit meter, not mt.
And if t is meant to be tonne, then you still don't have a unit of pressure.
The standard unit of pressure is a pascal. This is equivalent to N/m2 or kg/(m s2).
Other valid units are mm Hg or Torr (and similar, where the unit is the height of a column of the fluid specified in standard gravity), bar or atm.

Mass/length is not a valid unit for pressure.

So no, I can't understand the nonsense you are saying as it makes no sense.
Like I said, at 3000 m you are at roughly 300 bar, which is roughly 300 atm or 3000 kPa.

So what?
That doesn't mean deep sea fish can't breathe.

Repeatedly asserting it makes deep sea life impossible will not help you.
You need to be able to show WHY.

You have no evidence or rational arguments to back you up, just lies to try and distract from the plentiful evidence which shows you are wrong.

Denying reality does mean you are wrong.
And you seem to do that a lot.
Whenever you are presented with reality which you can't refute, you just dismiss it and deny it.

You denying it shows just how weak and pathetic your position is.

Now care to address what has been said, or will you continue dismissing it and continue to show everyone that you have no interest in the truth?
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: wise on July 03, 2019, 04:46:23 AM
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Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: JackBlack on July 03, 2019, 02:12:36 PM
<more pathetic, childish, bovine excrement>
Posting more pathetic images to try and avoid debate wont help you.

If you want to claim that you can't breathe under high pressure, and that deep sea fish can't, you need to prove it.
Stop lying to try and avoid reality.

Thinking you can't because you don't understand pressure doesn't help you.
You need to provide an actual argument to back up your case.
If you can't, drop it and deal with the evidence that shows this pressure gradient is real.

Again, regardless of how much you want to pretend, t/m is not a unit of pressure.
Why the need to lie about the pressure?
Just what is wrong with the very real unit used to describe it?
Just what do you think pressure is?
Is it because you need to reject it being a force per unit area so you can pretend buoyancy isn't real?

Now again, how about you try to address all the evidence showing this pressure gradient is real.

Perhaps you can try explaining why water finds its level?
For example, say you have a nice thin column and a much wider column, connected at the bottom.
Will water find its level there, or will the 2 columns have different heights?

You know, something like this:
(https://dornsife.usc.edu/assets/sites/75/imgs/fluids/f2_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: Themightykabool on July 03, 2019, 02:40:30 PM
Op


if the force of gravity was present, the person would move downward in the water. but it is not. Anything that is equal to the weight of the self-weight of the water remains in a fixed position within it, not falling down.





Why is this tgread still going.
Debunked in 31sec.
Submarines are real things.
Things fall in submarines.
HeliumBalloons fall in a vacuum.

You continuously fail a grade 10 physics and refuse to acknowledge very easily measruable phenomena (regardless of "cause").
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: boydster on July 03, 2019, 04:29:28 PM
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I've warned you about this already, and I know I'm not the only one. Stop posting pictures of quotes.
Title: Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
Post by: boydster on July 03, 2019, 04:32:31 PM
I am locking this thread because it's devolved into insults and repetition, with practically no new information or content.