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Title: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: ignorant_globehead on December 09, 2018, 04:07:53 PM
If we were to put a flat-earther in a rocket and send them up to space, would they still believe that the earth is flat? Or would they just say that the windows of the spacecraft have screens on them? If so, would they be brave enough to open one of the doors/windows of the spacecraft while it is in orbit to prove that it is a hoax devised of clever CGI and green screens? This question is asking whether or not a flat-earther truly believes what they claim.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on December 09, 2018, 05:33:29 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 09, 2018, 07:48:53 PM
If we were to put a flat-earther in a rocket and send them up to space, would they still believe that the earth is flat? Or would they just say that the windows of the spacecraft have screens on them? If so, would they be brave enough to open one of the doors/windows of the spacecraft while it is in orbit to prove that it is a hoax devised of clever CGI and green screens? This question is asking whether or not a flat-earther truly believes what they claim.

I don't think you would need to put a flat earther in a rocket to see if they would still believe  that the earth is flat ?

(1) You could take them out to the middle of the ocean on a ship and ask them if they could see an infinite distance in all directions  or if they could see just so far because of the thickness of the atmoplane and that would prove that  there was no curvature of the earth ,prove the earth was not a globe ,  and  that would prove the earth was flat ?
Or if they could always see land in the distance with a powerful enough telescope no matter how far at sea they were ?
And if they could see land, and especially  the ice wall.....If they were close enough that they  weren't  obscured by the atmoplane ?

(2) Or you could ask them if they could not see more than a few miles in all directions because they could only see to a point where the sky and the ocean appear to meet at the horizon and that would prove that that the earth was not flat and there was a curvature of the earth and that would prove the earth was round and the earth was a globe ?
Or if they could see farther to the horizon the higher they went on the ship - from water line to main deck , to bridge, to crow's nest ?
Or if they could no longer see land in the distance with a powerful enough telescope after they had gone very far from the nearest
 land ?

These tests are best perforned on clear, calm, sunny days at sea

(3) Or would they believe or admit what they saw ?
 
(4) Or they would say that they had been hypnotized or blinded to admit what they saw ?
 
(5) Or what they saw was just something that was projected there by NASA  ?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 09, 2018, 08:01:52 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

Why not ?
Because flat earth believes there is  no such thing as space ?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 09, 2018, 08:03:52 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

Why not ?
Because flat earth believes there is  no such thing as space ?

Because there is no crow's nest on a rocket.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: ignorant_globehead on December 09, 2018, 08:10:53 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 09, 2018, 08:15:14 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 09, 2018, 08:19:33 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

Why not ?
Because flat earth believes there is  no such thing as space ?

Because there is no crow's nest on a rocket.

Bullwinkle I meant going on a ship, which has a crow's nest....of  course there is no crow's on  a rocket.
Of course you're right.
Of course there is  no such thing as space on the flat earth.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 09, 2018, 08:24:51 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

Why not ?
Because flat earth believes there is  no such thing as space ?

Because there is no crow's nest on a rocket.

Bullwinkle I meant going on a ship, which has a crow's nest....of  course there is no crow's on  a rocket.
Of course you're right.
Of course there is  no such thing as space on the flat earth.

I'm sure flat earthers acknowledge a lack of air and freezing temperatures at a high enough altitude. So why would they stick their head out?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 09, 2018, 08:25:27 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 09, 2018, 08:34:16 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 09, 2018, 08:39:30 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

Why not ?
Because flat earth believes there is  no such thing as space ?

Because there is no crow's nest on a rocket.

Bullwinkle I meant going on a ship, which has a crow's nest....of  course there is no crow's on  a rocket.
Of course you're right.
Of course there is  no such thing as space on the flat earth.

I'm sure flat earthers acknowledge a lack of air and freezing temperatures at a high enough altitude. So why would they stick their head out?
I am also wondering where Rowbotham got all that information on the ice wall as he describes it in "Earth Not A Globe" ?
If no one has ever been there  or  if any one has been there has been shot and killed by a NASA guard or eaten by one of the
 penguins  ?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: ignorant_globehead on December 09, 2018, 08:40:57 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?

I hate to break it to you... no one has been to the horizon. Just like no one was ever caught there shadow....
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 09, 2018, 08:44:20 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?

No...You never reach the horizon. It's an illusion that you are always going to it but never get on it. It's always the same distance from you...in all directions..,.,360 degrees.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 09, 2018, 08:48:27 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 09, 2018, 08:58:11 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?

No...You never reach the horizon. It's an illusion that you are always going to it but never get on it. It's always the same distance from you...in all directions..,.,360 degrees.


I thought you said if you scurry up the rigging o'er the main mast skysail
the horizon moved away from the ship.
Now it's always the same distance from you...in all directions..,.,360 degrees?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 09, 2018, 09:05:48 PM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 09, 2018, 09:09:45 PM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

That's a hell of a lot of inches!
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 09, 2018, 09:17:59 PM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

That's a hell of a lot of inches!

More impressive than half a mile.   ;D
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 09, 2018, 09:51:38 PM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

Can you see Diamond Head from the beach ?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 09, 2018, 09:59:34 PM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

Can you see Diamond Head from the beach ?

Yes.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Lamaface on December 10, 2018, 02:21:01 AM
One does not instantly die when exposed to space.

*Nitpicking modus deactivated*
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 10, 2018, 04:18:28 AM
No, but one can imagine it not being comfortable. And sticking your head out into a vacuum.... What's the pay off? You wouldn't see a thing because your body would be under so much duress fighting death
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Pete®tje on December 10, 2018, 05:00:38 AM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

That's a hell of a lot of inches!

More impressive than half a mile.   ;D

Because it's about 40% more than half a mile?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 10, 2018, 08:16:18 AM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

That's a hell of a lot of inches!
That's what she said..
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Crutchwater on December 10, 2018, 01:40:28 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?

If you are swimming in the ocean, and lower your head into the water with your eyes open, does the horizon not actually touch your eyeball?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 10, 2018, 01:45:04 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?

If you are swimming in the ocean, and lower your head into the water with your eyes open, does the horizon not actually touch your eyeball?

mind = blown  :o
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on December 10, 2018, 02:57:24 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?

If you are swimming in the ocean, and lower your head into the water with your eyes open, does the horizon not actually touch your eyeball?

Only if your eyeballs are open as you go under water.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 10, 2018, 02:59:43 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?

If you are swimming in the ocean, and lower your head into the water with your eyes open, does the horizon not actually touch your eyeball?

Only if your eyeballs are open as you go under water.

That's not an unusual or difficult thing
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 10, 2018, 10:16:05 PM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

Can you see Diamond Head from the beach ?

Yes.

Maybe I didn't understand you or you didn't understand my question.

So, what I meant was.
If you were standing on the shore on the beach at Imperial Beach , California and looked out westward on the Pacific Ocean , if you could see Diamond Head at Honolulu, Hawaii. There's more to this, but this is a starting point for this debate.

However there no such thing as a debate about the shape of the earth. It's a near-perfect globe no matter how much you want to nit-pick about the very slight "oblate" or "pear shape" you want.

And that map you say is a "model" for a flat earth - the one with the "ice walll" - it's just The Unipolar - North Polar - Azimuthal Equidistant Projection - Of the Globe. Same goes for the Bipolar Projection.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 11, 2018, 06:46:28 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?

No...You never reach the horizon. It's an illusion that you are always going to it but never get on it. It's always the same distance from you...in all directions..,.,360 degrees.


I thought you said if you scurry up the rigging o'er the main mast skysail
the horizon moved away from the ship.
Now it's always the same distance from you...in all directions..,.,360 degrees?

That is correct. 
The best place to oserve this is on the top or upper most deck on a ship in the middle of the ocean.....No land in sight.....Only the ocean to be seen in all directions. You are in the center of a circle whose radius is the distance to the horizon. The horizon is that distance from you no matter which direction you look.....forward, aft, port or starboard.

There is a simple equation that lookouts use to estimate the distance to the horizon.
d=1.17 h
Where d is the distance (in miles) to the horizon
1.17 is a constant
h is the square root of the height (in feet) you are above the level of the sea

For example if the top deck of your cruise ship was 100 feet above the water line of that ship, the horizon would be 11.7 miles from you in all directions. You would be in the center of a circle with a radius of 11.7 miles.

If you are moving or not moving, that horizon is always the same distance from you.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 11, 2018, 07:30:51 PM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

Can you see Diamond Head from the beach ?

Yes.

Maybe I didn't understand you or you didn't understand my question.

Your question was simple. My answer was one word.
I have seen Diamond Head from the beach.



So, what I meant was.
If you were standing on the shore on the beach at Imperial Beach , California and looked out westward on the Pacific Ocean , if you could see Diamond Head at Honolulu, Hawaii.

Diamond Head at Honolulu, Hawaii is not West of San Diego.



There's more to this, but this is a starting point for this debate.

I await the challenge.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 11, 2018, 08:15:01 PM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

Can you see Diamond Head from the beach ?

Yes.

Maybe I didn't understand you or you didn't understand my question.

Your question was simple. My answer was one word.
I have seen Diamond Head from the beach.



So, what I meant was.
If you were standing on the shore on the beach at Imperial Beach , California and looked out westward on the Pacific Ocean , if you could see Diamond Head at Honolulu, Hawaii.

Diamond Head at Honolulu, Hawaii is not West of San Diego.



There's more to this, but this is a starting point for this debate.

I await the challenge.

You're right. Honolulu is not Due West of San Diego.
 More 2609 miles West-South West (WSW) of San Diego.
Could you show us some pictures of Diamond Head taken from Imperial Beach ?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 11, 2018, 08:47:09 PM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

Can you see Diamond Head from the beach ?

Yes.

Maybe I didn't understand you or you didn't understand my question.

Your question was simple. My answer was one word.
I have seen Diamond Head from the beach.



So, what I meant was.
If you were standing on the shore on the beach at Imperial Beach , California and looked out westward on the Pacific Ocean , if you could see Diamond Head at Honolulu, Hawaii.

Diamond Head at Honolulu, Hawaii is not West of San Diego.



There's more to this, but this is a starting point for this debate.

I await the challenge.

You're right. Honolulu is not Due West of San Diego. More West-South West (WSW).
Could you show us some pictures of Diamond Head taken from Imperial Beach ?

Of course not, it's 13 million feet away.
Some days I can't see the end of our 1,300 foot pier.





Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 12, 2018, 11:05:08 AM
A simple request.
Post some pictures of Diamond Head taken from Imperial Beach.
If you go out to the end  of that 1,300 feet long pier, you should be closer to Diamond Head and you should be able to see it more plainly than  from the beach.
Take some pictures from there.
They would be good enough to make a believer out of me.

I have been to the top of Point Loma at San Diego  - about 400 feet above the Pacific Ocean - up near the old lighthouse.
I have never been able to see Diamond Head from there.
According to my math, I could only see about 25 miles to the horizon.
Diamond Head would be about 2600 miles WSW and just over the horizon.
I never could see Diamond Head.
What was I doing wrong ?
I had a fairly good binoculars and there were telescopes, too,  but I never was able to see Diamond Head like up you say you can.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 12, 2018, 11:30:28 AM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?

No...You never reach the horizon. It's an illusion that you are always going to it but never get on it. It's always the same distance from you...in all directions..,.,360 degrees.


I thought you said if you scurry up the rigging o'er the main mast skysail
the horizon moved away from the ship.
Now it's always the same distance from you...in all directions..,.,360 degrees?

Simple.
Of course it's not always the same distance from you.
The distance you can see to the horizon depends on high above the sea level you are.
The man in a rowboat, down low  on the sea,  can only see maybe 2 to 3 miles to the horizon.
The man in a bridge of a ship, near the top deck  of a ship, can see maybe 8 to 10 miles to the horizon.
The man in a crow's nest , up high on a mast on the ship, can see maybe 10 to 12 miles to the horizon.
That's why they have crow's nests mounted so high up on the mast.
So the man - the lòokout  in the crow's nest -  can see farther than the man - the captain , officers, etc.-  can see -on the bridge.
But what ever distance it is , that is the distance you can see to the horizon in any direction.

You're standing in the middle of a circle.
Elementary, my Dear Watson !

I've never  been a lookout , but I've read the book.
The Navy Manual For Lookouts.

Which brings us up back to the topic.
How confident are you that you can honestly say that you can see so far - how far ? - to the horizon on your flat earth ?
I am confident of the information I have posted is true on my round earth.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 12, 2018, 01:44:38 PM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

Can you see Diamond Head from the beach ?

Yes.

I thought to said you could see Diamond Head from the beach at Imperial Beach ?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 12, 2018, 02:39:46 PM

Post some pictures of Diamond Head taken from Imperial Beach.

You can't see Diamond Head from Imperial Beach.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 12, 2018, 04:02:14 PM

Have you ever actually been to sea ?
Or even been to a beach or shore and looked out on the ocean ?
Why haven't you ?
Would any flat earther take a chance on that ?

I live about 45,000 inches from the Pacific in Imperial Beach.

Can you see Diamond Head from the beach ?

Yes.

When you say " Yes" to my  question does that mean "You" (Bullwinkle)  can see Diamond Head from Imperial Beach ?

But when you say "You can't see Diamond Head" does that  mean that  "I" (googleotomy) can't see it but you can ?

Why ?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 12, 2018, 05:26:41 PM

Post some pictures of Diamond Head taken from Imperial Beach.

You can't see Diamond Head from Imperial Beach.

OK.
 Jokes on me !
LOL
You just said you can see Diamond Head from "the" beach , but you didn't say "Imperial" Beach !
You certainly can see Diamond Head from "the" beach if "the" beach happens to be "Waikiki" Beach.

But I think we are at least in agreement that "we" ( meaning Bullwinkle and googleotomy) can not see Diamond Head from "Imperial"
Beach. LOL

But getting back to the subject.
Do you have answers and are you confident in the case of "round earth horizon" - vs - "flat earth horizon" ?
I have supplied the "round earth horizon" answers.

But I have asked the "flat earth horizon"  questions.
But I have never gotten any "flat earth horizon" answers.
(1) FE Definition of the Horizon ? (My guess: "Where the sky (bottom or the edge of the dome) meets the earth or sea (top of the ice wall).)
(2) Where is the horizon on a flat earth ? (My guess: Same as in Question #1 )
(3) How would you calculate or estimate the distance to the horizon on a flat earth ? (My guess: I don't have one ! But maybe the distance to the horizon is always the distance you are from the ice wall as in Questions #1 and #2 ? There is no curvature as a point of reference on a flat earth as there is on the round earth.)

If you are confident about your answers to the above, I would like to see them.

If you don't know, just say so.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: robintex on December 13, 2018, 03:49:43 PM
If you are so confident, you certainly would be able to answer my questions about the horizon if the eath was flat.

I am very confident of mine on the "round earth" ,  or "the globe".
But I don't know about the flat earth.
At best, I'm just guessing.
That's why I am asking.

How about yours ?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Lucas Matteis on December 14, 2018, 08:02:06 AM
If we were to put a flat-earther in a rocket and send them up to space, would they still believe that the earth is flat? Or would they just say that the windows of the spacecraft have screens on them? If so, would they be brave enough to open one of the doors/windows of the spacecraft while it is in orbit to prove that it is a hoax devised of clever CGI and green screens? This question is asking whether or not a flat-earther truly believes what they claim.

This is acctually a good idea. It's the perfect solution: Take all flat-earthers, invite them to a trip in a rocket to the space.
Plot twist: It's a one way trip. The last thing they will see is the spherical earth, going far, far away, never to come back.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Unconvinced on December 14, 2018, 10:32:21 AM
If we were to put a flat-earther in a rocket and send them up to space, would they still believe that the earth is flat? Or would they just say that the windows of the spacecraft have screens on them? If so, would they be brave enough to open one of the doors/windows of the spacecraft while it is in orbit to prove that it is a hoax devised of clever CGI and green screens? This question is asking whether or not a flat-earther truly believes what they claim.

This is acctually a good idea. It's the perfect solution: Take all flat-earthers, invite them to a trip in a rocket to the space.
Plot twist: It's a one way trip. The last thing they will see is the spherical earth, going far, far away, never to come back.

Golgafrincham Ark Fleet Ship B?

https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Golgafrinchan_Ark_Fleet_Ship_B

;)
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: JCM on December 14, 2018, 10:39:20 AM
If we were to put a flat-earther in a rocket and send them up to space, would they still believe that the earth is flat? Or would they just say that the windows of the spacecraft have screens on them? If so, would they be brave enough to open one of the doors/windows of the spacecraft while it is in orbit to prove that it is a hoax devised of clever CGI and green screens? This question is asking whether or not a flat-earther truly believes what they claim.

This is acctually a good idea. It's the perfect solution: Take all flat-earthers, invite them to a trip in a rocket to the space.
Plot twist: It's a one way trip. The last thing they will see is the spherical earth, going far, far away, never to come back.

Well, Virgin Galactics spaceshiptwo just hit 51 miles yesterday.  They say they plan to have paying customers next year if all goes well.  My question is if a famous flat earther (at least youtube famous) such as Sargent, Jeran, Dubay, or perhaps Mr. Bishop from this site, or similar FE proponent would take the trip. If they would, then what would they say and what would the FE community say in response.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Crutchwater on December 14, 2018, 11:45:19 AM
If we were to put a flat-earther in a rocket and send them up to space, would they still believe that the earth is flat? Or would they just say that the windows of the spacecraft have screens on them? If so, would they be brave enough to open one of the doors/windows of the spacecraft while it is in orbit to prove that it is a hoax devised of clever CGI and green screens? This question is asking whether or not a flat-earther truly believes what they claim.

This is acctually a good idea. It's the perfect solution: Take all flat-earthers, invite them to a trip in a rocket to the space.
Plot twist: It's a one way trip. The last thing they will see is the spherical earth, going far, far away, never to come back.

Well, Virgin Galactics spaceshiptwo just hit 51 miles yesterday.  They say they plan to have paying customers next year if all goes well.  My question is if a famous flat earther (at least youtube famous) such as Sargent, Jeran, Dubay, or perhaps Mr. Bishop from this site, or similar FE proponent would take the trip. If they would, then what would they say and what would the FE community say in response.

No, they would claim that during the medical evaluation, they were unknowingly fitted with "augmented reality" contact lenses.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: JackBlack on December 14, 2018, 01:18:59 PM
My question is if a famous flat earther (at least youtube famous) such as Sargent, Jeran, Dubay, or perhaps Mr. Bishop from this site, or similar FE proponent would take the trip.
I am almost certain that they know Earth is round and are just lying to everyone. They would likely refuse to go, claiming they are prohibited or some crap like that, or if they did go they would just repeat the same old FE lies of no apparent curvature and the horizon magically at eye level, either claiming they were not permitted to film or their footage was confiscated and/or altered.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: MouseWalker on December 14, 2018, 09:25:28 PM
It appears that none of you have been to Oahu, for diamond head is facing south west, and you would have to see through the entire Island to see diamond head. That is whether the earth is flat or a globe. think up on that. Let alone the other islands east of Oahu.
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: fat earth_not flat on December 16, 2018, 05:21:39 PM
Flat E people, I ask you these Qs:

Does this "flat earth" revolve around the sun?  Do the other planets in our solar system also revolve around the sun?   Do the planets' moons revolve around their host planet? 

Do exo-planets revolve around their stars?  Are there flat exo-planets?

How do magnetic compasses work on the "flat earth"?

How could NASA possibly employ tens of thousands of people who all can keep secret this so-called RE conspiracy?  It's humanly impossible for that many people to either constantly lie or constantly be duped by 'the government'. 

All developed countries have launched communication satellites into earth orbit. Are they all in on this conspiracy?  India has orbited satellites around Mars.  They probably don't need to follow the US government's need for a RE theory.   How do you explain FE to them?

What is wrong with FE thinkers?  Are you bursting with stupidity, or do you just like to be contrarian and stubborn to watch people squirm when they get upset at you?  Why?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: Bullwinkle on December 16, 2018, 05:48:32 PM

What is wrong with FE thinkers?  Are you bursting with stupidity, or do you just like to be contrarian and stubborn to watch people squirm when they get upset at you?  Why?

I commend you for having the courage
to expose your glaring character flaw in public
for all to see.

Do you feel better now?



Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: rabinoz on December 16, 2018, 06:47:47 PM

What is wrong with FE thinkers?  Are you bursting with stupidity, or do you just like to be contrarian and stubborn to watch people squirm when they get upset at you?  Why?
<< Irrelevant  >>
They were questions not statements. Did you miss the three "?"s?
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: zohan on June 09, 2019, 12:49:15 PM
Since you'll never be able to put one of us in a rocket and send us into space, what is the point? Is this supposed to be a debate?

That is not the point of this thread. The point is, if you were in a rocket in 'orbit' would you trust your theory enough to expose yourself to 'space', or would you just play it safe and trust your gut feeling that you are actually in space and that you would instantly die by exposing yourself to space. I would be very surprised if any flat-earther could honestly say that they would take the chance to 'expose themselves' to space.

Can a flat-earther ask a question similar to this? Can a flat-earther ask a round-earther to trust their belief with their life? I know I sure trust the globe earth with my life!n nn

I doubt any RE'er would voluntarily expose themself to 'space'.

Lots of RE'ers have voluntarily (and un-voluntarily)  exposed themself to going to sea on a ship.....Why not FE'ers ?


Have you ever actually been to the horizon?

If you are swimming in the ocean, and lower your head into the water with your eyes open, does the horizon not actually touch your eyeball?

Only if your eyeballs are open as you go under water.

That's not an unusual or difficult thing

But how? ??
Title: Re: How confident are you flat-earthers?
Post by: wise on June 09, 2019, 01:50:14 PM
Flat E people, I ask you these Qs:

1- Does this "flat earth" revolve around the sun?  Do the other planets in our solar system also revolve around the sun?   Do the planets' moons revolve around their host planet? 

2- Do exo-planets revolve around their stars?  Are there flat exo-planets?

3- How do magnetic compasses work on the "flat earth"?

4- How could NASA possibly employ tens of thousands of people who all can keep secret this so-called RE conspiracy?  It's humanly impossible for that many people to either constantly lie or constantly be duped by 'the government'. 

5- All developed countries have launched communication satellites into earth orbit. Are they all in on this conspiracy?  India has orbited satellites around Mars.  They probably don't need to follow the US government's need for a RE theory.   How do you explain FE to them?

6- What is wrong with FE thinkers?  Are you bursting with stupidity, or do you just like to be contrarian and stubborn to watch people squirm when they get upset at you?  Why?

You've mainly 6 questions those I've marked.

1- No. The earth is not revolving around sun but opposite is true. There are not other planets. All objects are rotating around earth's center point marked as North star. Planets haven't satellites because there aren't planets.

2- No planet so no exo-planets.

3- There is a magnetic center as the place you know as north pole. It is center of the earth meanwhile the magnetic pole.

4- No, possible. We are living on a capitalist earth. You can buy people by money and shut them up whose decide to talk. It is as easy as I tell now.

5- Indian and other countries are managed by globularist gang. They have governing almost all the important countries. Whenever a country discovers the earth's being flat then enters the gang. Then NASA starts to feed it. Clearly NASA has feeded the India, and now it has started to feed the Iran, Turkey and North korea.

6- Flat earthers are well educated smart people. You have to check yourself before critise the fellow flat earth thinkers.

Thanks for joining.