So you're saying that the Ancient Greeks started the New World Order? ???Not again please,....we have discussed these matters over and over again.
So you're saying that the Ancient Greeks started the New World Order? ???Not again please,....we have discussed these matters over and over again.
The ''ancient Greeks'' whoever or whatever ''they'' stand for, did not conclude the earth to be a sphere based on eyesight and a single experiment by a loner using sticks and shadows.
The globe marketing machine created this popular opinion over time....and it is repeated over and over again.
"We know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years'' ....nonsense, like rabinoz parrots from day one at these forums.
99,9 % of the ancient Greeks did not ever claim the earth to be spherical, let alone the fairly accurate circomference (according to the far more recent hypothetical calculations) of roughly 40.000 km which ''they'' also happen to know back then.
So you're saying that the Ancient Greeks started the New World Order? ???Not again please,....we have discussed these matters over and over again.
The ''ancient Greeks'' whoever or whatever ''they'' stand for, did not conclude the earth to be a sphere based on eyesight and a single experiment by a loner using sticks and shadows.
The globe marketing machine created this popular opinion over time....and it is repeated over and over again.
"We know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years'' ....nonsense, like rabinoz parrots from day one at these forums.
99,9 % of the ancient Greeks did not ever claim the earth to be spherical, let alone the fairly accurate circomference (according to the far more recent hypothetical calculations) of roughly 40.000 km which ''they'' also happen to know back then.
Lots of denials and claims, but no single substantial argumentation.
It's funny that you think you know what 99.9% of ancient Greeks did or did not know.So you're saying that the Ancient Greeks started the New World Order? ???Not again please,....we have discussed these matters over and over again.
The ''ancient Greeks'' whoever or whatever ''they'' stand for, did not conclude the earth to be a sphere based on eyesight and a single experiment by a loner using sticks and shadows.
The globe marketing machine created this popular opinion over time....and it is repeated over and over again.
"We know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years'' ....nonsense, like rabinoz parrots from day one at these forums.
99,9 % of the ancient Greeks did not ever claim the earth to be spherical, let alone the fairly accurate circomference (according to the far more recent hypothetical calculations) of roughly 40.000 km which ''they'' also happen to know back then.
Actually those claiming ''we know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years'' have no real scientific substance derived from the scientific method to make any such claim.So you're saying that the Ancient Greeks started the New World Order? ???Not again please,....we have discussed these matters over and over again.
The ''ancient Greeks'' whoever or whatever ''they'' stand for, did not conclude the earth to be a sphere based on eyesight and a single experiment by a loner using sticks and shadows.
The globe marketing machine created this popular opinion over time....and it is repeated over and over again.
"We know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years'' ....nonsense, like rabinoz parrots from day one at these forums.
99,9 % of the ancient Greeks did not ever claim the earth to be spherical, let alone the fairly accurate circomference (according to the far more recent hypothetical calculations) of roughly 40.000 km which ''they'' also happen to know back then.
Lots of denials and claims, but no single substantial argumentation.
I do not know what the Greeks thought sir...i know for a fact ''they'' did not conlcude the earth to be a sphere with a circomference of 25.000 miles.It's funny that you think you know what 99.9% of ancient Greeks did or did not know.So you're saying that the Ancient Greeks started the New World Order? ???Not again please,....we have discussed these matters over and over again.
The ''ancient Greeks'' whoever or whatever ''they'' stand for, did not conclude the earth to be a sphere based on eyesight and a single experiment by a loner using sticks and shadows.
The globe marketing machine created this popular opinion over time....and it is repeated over and over again.
"We know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years'' ....nonsense, like rabinoz parrots from day one at these forums.
99,9 % of the ancient Greeks did not ever claim the earth to be spherical, let alone the fairly accurate circomference (according to the far more recent hypothetical calculations) of roughly 40.000 km which ''they'' also happen to know back then.
What I do know is that Pythagoras was Greek and Eratosthenes was Greek.
Mike
So you're saying that the Ancient Greeks started the New World Order? ???Not again please,....we have discussed these matters over and over again.
The ''ancient Greeks'' whoever or whatever ''they'' stand for, did not conclude the earth to be a sphere based on eyesight and a single experiment by a loner using sticks and shadows.
The globe marketing machine created this popular opinion over time....and it is repeated over and over again.
"We know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years'' ....nonsense, like rabinoz parrots from day one at these forums.
99,9 % of the ancient Greeks did not ever claim the earth to be spherical, let alone the fairly accurate circomference (according to the far more recent hypothetical calculations) of roughly 40.000 km which ''they'' also happen to know back then.
Lots of denials and claims, but no single substantial argumentation.
Have you met dutchy?
To make a new world order, one must make a new world.
That video conatined nothing of relevance.
To make a new world order, one must make a new world.
Down to earth logic? Seriously?I do not know what the Greeks thought sir...i know for a fact ''they'' did not conlcude the earth to be a sphere with a circomference of 25.000 miles.It's funny that you think you know what 99.9% of ancient Greeks did or did not know.So you're saying that the Ancient Greeks started the New World Order? ???Not again please,....we have discussed these matters over and over again.
The ''ancient Greeks'' whoever or whatever ''they'' stand for, did not conclude the earth to be a sphere based on eyesight and a single experiment by a loner using sticks and shadows.
The globe marketing machine created this popular opinion over time....and it is repeated over and over again.
"We know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years'' ....nonsense, like rabinoz parrots from day one at these forums.
99,9 % of the ancient Greeks did not ever claim the earth to be spherical, let alone the fairly accurate circomference (according to the far more recent hypothetical calculations) of roughly 40.000 km which ''they'' also happen to know back then.
What I do know is that Pythagoras was Greek and Eratosthenes was Greek.
Mike
Why?
Because very few induviduals supposedly had some hypothetical ideas about the earth to be a sphere and a single experiment was carried out which is flawed anyway from a modern perspective. That's it....not much science in it.
Since when can we conclude that the ancient Greeks knew the earth to be a sphere ?
It's like claiming in 2121 that the Americans knew in 1970 that there were infinite universes and infinite timelines.
You know very well that only a few hypothetical cosmologists with way to much time marvel over such underlying unifying principles.
It's really funny that this down to earth logic completely escapes ''you'' all and ''you'' want me to be more substancial ??
I do not know what the Greeks thought sir...i know for a fact ''they'' did not conlcude the earth to be a sphere with a circomference of 25.000 miles.It's funny that you think you know what 99.9% of ancient Greeks did or did not know.So you're saying that the Ancient Greeks started the New World Order? ???Not again please,....we have discussed these matters over and over again.
The ''ancient Greeks'' whoever or whatever ''they'' stand for, did not conclude the earth to be a sphere based on eyesight and a single experiment by a loner using sticks and shadows.
The globe marketing machine created this popular opinion over time....and it is repeated over and over again.
"We know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years'' ....nonsense, like rabinoz parrots from day one at these forums.
99,9 % of the ancient Greeks did not ever claim the earth to be spherical, let alone the fairly accurate circomference (according to the far more recent hypothetical calculations) of roughly 40.000 km which ''they'' also happen to know back then.
What I do know is that Pythagoras was Greek and Eratosthenes was Greek.
Mike
Why?
Because very few induviduals supposedly had some hypothetical ideas about the earth to be a sphere and a single experiment was carried out which is flawed anyway from a modern perspective. That's it....not much science in it.
Since when can we conclude that the ancient Greeks knew the earth to be a sphere ?
It's like claiming in 2121 that the Americans knew in 1970 that there were infinite universes and infinite timelines.
You know very well that only a few hypothetical cosmologists with way to much time marvel over such underlying unifying principles.
It's really funny that this down to earth logic completely escapes ''you'' all and ''you'' want me to be more substancial ??
Not your stupid twaddle again please Mr Dutchy!So you're saying that the Ancient Greeks started the New World Order? ???Not again please,....we have discussed these matters over and over again.
The ''ancient Greeks'' whoever or whatever ''they'' stand for, did not conclude the earth to be a sphere based on eyesight and a single experiment by a loner using sticks and shadows.
Now excuse the copy-n-paste but I cannot remember all this detail. Here are a few of those 111 early Greeks whose work was relevant to the shape of the earth and the movement of the sun, moon and planets.QuoteAs I showed you the 2 Nobel prizes for the Greek was in literature.
Now show me the dozens Greeks that got a Nobel prize, as you claimed.
I think that they would all receive the Nobel Prize, don’t you?
<< A list of 111 early Greek "scientists" many of whom did contribute to the Globe and early astronomy >>
Now please, dutchy, please just shut up about your ignorant claim about:Science is to the modern ages what Christianity was to the middle age.
Copernicus the Polak is to Science what Jesus the Jew is to Christianity, or at least he would've been, had he been martyred.
And round earth/heliocentrism is equivalent to the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
It's pivotal, the foundation upon which virtually all MS science, nay, modernity rests.
Why do so many attack the Globe and Heliocentrism as "modern developments"?
They are demonstrably not modern at all. The following is from InFlatEarth, a "rabid flat earther", but justifiably proud of his Greek heritage.
These quotes from InFlatEarth pretty well map out the history of the Globe and heliocentralism hypotheses (as I guess they were then) till the time before Copernicus.Quote from: InFlatEarthThere are 14 Greek (Ptolemy was Greco-Roman) scientists and astronomers spread over some 600 years who contributed to this!
- Pythagoras of Samos (569-500 B.C.). Mathematician and philosopher. Was to first to believe that the Earth was a sphere rotating around a central fire. He believed that the natural order could be expressed in numbers. Known for the Pythagorean theorem which was however known much earlier (From the Babylonians and perhaps earlier from the Chinese).
- Parmenides of Elea (520-450 B.C.). Like Pythagoras, he believed that the Earth was spherical.
- Philolaus (Tarentum or Croton, now Italy, 480-??? B.C.). Pythagorean philosopher. Was the first to suggest that there is some central fire around which the Earth, sun, moon and all planets rotate.
- Oenopides (Chios, 480-??? B.C.). Greek philosopher. Believed to have first calculated the angle the Earth is tipped with respect to the plane of its orbit. He found the value of 24 degrees which differs only half degree from the presently accepted value of 23.5 degrees.
- Democritus (Abdera, Thrace, 470-380 B.C.). Greek philosopher. Expanded the concept of atoms that was introduced by his teacher Leucippus and showed that atoms are the basis of all form of matter. He recognizes that the Milky Way consists of a number of stars and that the moon is similar to Earth.
- Inopedes (400 B.C. ?). Greek astronomer. Discovered the obliqueness of the elliptic orbit.
- Heracleides (Heraclea, 390-320 B.C.). Greek astronomer. First to suggest that Venus and Mars may orbit the sun. Also suggested the the Earth rotates around its axis once every 24 hours.
- Pytheas (330 B.C.). Greek geographer and explorer. Sailed into the North Atlantic and Baltic Sea where he observed the strong Atlantic tides. He correctly assumed that these were caused by the moon.
- Aristarchus of Samos (310-230 B.C.). Proposed that the sun is at the center of the universe with Earth along with the other planets circulating around it. He estimated the distance of the sun from the Earth by observing the angle between the sun and the moon when it is exactly half full.
- Eratosthenes of Cyrene (276-200 B.C.).. Greek astronomer and mathematician. Calculated the circumference of the Earth and finds a figure of 46,000 km which is close to the present measured value. Also lays down the first lines of longitude on a map of Earth. He also developed a method for calculating all prime numbers: the sieve of Eratosthenes.
- Seleucus (Seleucia, 190-??? B.C.). Last known astronomer to champion the heliocentric theory of the solar system until Copernicus.
- Hipparchus of Nicea (190-120 B.C.) Greek astronomer and mathematician. Developed a system of planetary motion with the Earth at the center. This system was later refined by Ptolemy. Used data from a total eclipse of the sun and parallax to determine correctly the distance and size of the moon. The same data gave values for the distance and size of the sun an order of magnitude smaller than their actual values.
- Poseidonius (Apamea, 140-50 B.C.). Incorrectly calculated the Earth's circumference, which 1500 year later, led Columbus to believe that Asia was only about 3000 miles west of Europe.
- Ptolemy. Last great Alexandrian astronomer. Refined the system of planetary motion developed by Hipparchus, which had Earth at the center of the universe. Best known for his Almagest
What I have found amazing is the amount of detail they managed to find, even without any modern instruments.
Some even proposed the heliocentric globe before the Indian mathematician Aryabhata (AD 476–550) and Copernicus (1473 AD-1543 AD).
The Globe was the accepted shape from around 300 BC and well before Copernicus, there was some support for heliocentrism in India and even Persia.
There is no doubt at all that the Heliocentric Globe model dates back hundreds of years and its acceptance has nothing to do with modern science, though the findings of modern science certainly support it.
The ''ancient Greeks'' whoever or whatever ''they'' stand for, did not conclude the earth to be a sphere based on eyesight and a single experiment by a loner using sticks and shadows.Only an ignoramus totally ignorant on the history of the shape of the earth would keep making an erroneous claim like that.
The globe marketing machine created this popular opinion over time....and it is repeated over and over again.Total utter garbage! There is no "globe marketing machine". The earth has been recognised as a Globe for millennia and needs no "globe marketing machine".
"We know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years'' ....nonsense, like rabinoz parrots from day one at these forums.Read the above! I "parrot it" because it is true and you have never refuted it! Why do you single me out Dutchy? I guess I should by honoured!
99,9 % of the ancient Greeks did not ever claim the earth to be spherical,How do YOU know that, but 99.999% of the ancient Greeks probably did not give a thought to the shape of the earth.
let alone the fairly accurate circomference (according to the far more recent hypothetical calculations) of roughly 40.000 km which ''they'' also happen to know back then.Why do you harp or the achievements of on Greek scientist?
There’s a meme in that reasoningI guess "An Ancient Greek with two Sticks" is a much more catchy meme than
Who would win? An Ancient Greek with sticks or the entire population of the flat earth?
Khan Academy, Eratosthenes of Cyrene (https://www.khanacademy.org/partner-content/big-history-project/solar-system-and-earth/knowing-solar-system-earth/a/eratosthenes-of-cyrene)The whole article is worth reading for those, like me, who are not young enough to know everything, as dutchy seems to think he knows!
Measuring the Earth
Eratosthenes heard about a famous well in the Egyptian city of Swenet (Syene in Greek, and now known as Aswan), on the Nile River. At noon one day each year — the summer solstice (between June 20 and June 22) — the Sun’s rays shone straight down into the deep pit. They illuminated only the water at the bottom, not the sides of the well as on other days, proving that the Sun was directly overhead. (Syene was located very close to what we call the Tropic of Cancer, ~23.5 degrees north, the northernmost latitude at which the Sun is ever directly overhead at noon.)
Eratosthenes erected a pole in Alexandria, and on the summer solstice he observed that it cast a shadow, proving that the Sun was not directly overhead but slightly south. Recognizing the curvature of the Earth and knowing the distance between the two cities enabled Eratosthenes to calculate the planet’s circumference.
Eratosthenes could measure the angle of the Sun’s rays off the vertical by dividing the length of the leg opposite the angle (the length of the shadow) by the leg adjacent to the angle (the height of the pole). This gave him an angle of 7.12 degrees.
Not your stupid twaddle again please Mr Dutchy!
Other that closed-minded bigots like YOU!
Learn a bit history before you try you stupid arguments based on it.
Now please, dutchy, please just shut up about your ignorant claim
Only an ignoramus totally ignorant on the history of the shape of the earth would keep making an erroneous claim like that.
Not your stupid twaddle again please Mr Dutchy!
Other that closed-minded bigots like YOU!
Learn a bit history before you try you stupid arguments based on it.
Now please, dutchy, please just shut up about your ignorant claim
Only an ignoramus totally ignorant on the history of the shape of the earth would keep making an erroneous claim like that.
rabinoz, please refrain from attacking people in Flat Earth General.
Regardless of when it was learned, we now know, without a doubt, that the Earth is indeed a spheroid.For the sake of argument let's follow that kind of reasoning.
Fact.
Know what else was a known fact 2500 years ago?Exactly ! ;D ;D :D
Volcanoes needed to be fed virgins.
Know what else was a known fact 2500 years ago?
Volcanoes needed to be fed virgins.
@rabinoz
I strongly reject all the generalisations about the ancient Greeks and their supposed worldview based upon imaginary superhuman eyesight (who, when and where?) ,...and a handfull of ancient charismatic researchers (especially in hindsight) that made some claims that have more to do with thought experiments and invalid measurements than rock solid science.
'we know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years' is beyond ludicrous.
Or are you someone who does not care about what 99.99% of earth's population back then considered earth's true shape ?
Is it because they are to stupid, ignorant, unworthy and meaningless to even consider their point of view ?
Or simply because we do not know and therefor should not claim anything in such absurd generalisations about the ancient Greeks.
You are all over the place when you make such a generalisation about what 'they' knew back then based on a handfull of exotic ideas.
I don't blame you, you are simply parroting the mantra .
@rabinoz
I strongly reject all the generalisations about the ancient Greeks and their supposed worldview based upon imaginary superhuman eyesight (who, when and where?) ,...and a handfull of ancient charismatic researchers (especially in hindsight) that made some claims that have more to do with thought experiments and invalid measurements than rock solid science.
'we know the earth to be a sphere for over 2500 years' is beyond ludicrous.
Or are you someone who does not care about what 99.99% of earth's population back then considered earth's true shape ?
Is it because they are to stupid, ignorant, unworthy and meaningless to even consider their point of view ?
Or simply because we do not know and therefor should not claim anything in such absurd generalisations about the ancient Greeks.
You are all over the place when you make such a generalisation about what 'they' knew back then based on a handfull of exotic ideas.
I don't blame you, you are simply parroting the mantra .
Regardless of when it was learned, we now know, without a doubt, that the Earth is indeed a spheroid.For the sake of argument let's follow that kind of reasoning.
Fact.
We learned to understand for a fact in modern times that the earth is a sphere with a circomference of 25.000 miles.
Why on earth do we keep hearing that this was a more or less known fact for 2500 years ?
Why not simply acknowledge that only through recent developments, techniques and understanding phenomena like refraction we know the earth to be a sphere.
Only propaganda needs to add superlatives ,numbers and ancient super hero's who were far ahead of their current timeframe (Eratosthenes)
'Wow for 2500 years the whole intellectual community knew for a fact the earth was/is a globe'
That in it self is pretty smelly and anyone who cannot let the basics speak for themselves has a shaky conviction.
Regardless of when it was learned, we now know, without a doubt, that the Earth is indeed a spheroid.
Fact.
Not your stupid twaddle again please Mr Dutchy!
Other that closed-minded bigots like YOU!
Learn a bit history before you try you stupid arguments based on it.
Now please, dutchy, please just shut up about your ignorant claim
Only an ignoramus totally ignorant on the history of the shape of the earth would keep making an erroneous claim like that.
rabinoz, please refrain from attacking people in Flat Earth General.
Yes the basics of my conviction are at least free of indoctrination.Regardless of when it was learned, we now know, without a doubt, that the Earth is indeed a spheroid.For the sake of argument let's follow that kind of reasoning.
Fact.
We learned to understand for a fact in modern times that the earth is a sphere with a circomference of 25.000 miles.
Why on earth do we keep hearing that this was a more or less known fact for 2500 years ?
Why not simply acknowledge that only through recent developments, techniques and understanding phenomena like refraction we know the earth to be a sphere.
Only propaganda needs to add superlatives ,numbers and ancient super hero's who were far ahead of their current timeframe (Eratosthenes)
'Wow for 2500 years the whole intellectual community knew for a fact the earth was/is a globe'
That in it self is pretty smelly and anyone who cannot let the basics speak for themselves has a shaky conviction.
Are you serious? Are you really lecturing on "let the basics speak for themselves"??
You, who simply dismisses literally MOUNTAINS of empirical evidence?It's not my fault you consider a hypothetical carpenter's drinking cup unworthy of consideration ;D
You, who provides absolutely ZERO viable evidence for ANY of your claims?
It doesn't look right...You've got that right...... it looks terrible and every intelligent person should object to this utter nonsense of space related footage that have fakery written all over them.
He's uncomfortable at a press conference...That's the least problematic expression...... lying and extremely evasive manouvres are the smoking gun....
He did or didn't see stars...At the same spot in cislunar space one astronaut claims to see an occasional star preferable by using optics..... on a later mission an astronaut claims ten times brighter and numerous stars compared to anything ever witinessed during a night on earth when simply looking through the cabine's window.
I'm no expert on ancient Greek history, but I've seen plenty of recorded history posted here on the subject. You completely disregard that, and cry about copy pasting. Like books are evil. Did you burn all yours?Wiki and books are like Kim Kardeshian and female beauty or a Big Mac and healthy food.
Why don't you save it for some other sheep that buy in to your amateur psychoanalysis. Maybe look in the tinfoil isle.Contrary to others (rabinoz and his co reader audience) i do not care what the effect is upon others.
Thanks that's the nicest thing you said to me in a very long time !
Shame, really. You seem to be quite intelligent at times. I can only hope you are just another troll.
I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....
Really ?I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....
It's clear that you base your conclusions on exceptions instead of common things. If you saw the sea often enough, you would know that ships dissapear bottom first. You can make pictures of that almost every day.
Really ?I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....
It's clear that you base your conclusions on exceptions instead of common things. If you saw the sea often enough, you would know that ships dissapear bottom first. You can make pictures of that almost every day.
That’s why i repeatedly brought up the ancient Greeks with no camera available.
When gazing towards the horizon they saw how shipmasts sank over the horizon....appearently.
And this was also taught in elementary school.
Surprise, surprise..... no one i know, including myself had such an experience by simply using their eyes.
But you want to take it to the level of a camera ?
It totally depends on the weather conditions how refraction, looming come into play and i have seen pictures online with structures well beyond the curvature that only can be explained by a phenomena like ‘superiour mirage’ ( magical flip flopping mirage that puts the distant city where one would expect it to be on a flat earth) .
I phenomena that know one really knew before Jonathan Nowicki took pictures accross lake Michigan from Chicago. Even the professional weather man was caught be surprise when he took notice of this exotic phenomena at play,.... more like a shock really ;D
Now go to the shore the coming year without a camera and without blinking your eyes tell me you could indeed see a shipmast sink below an imaginary curvature.
THEN we’ll discuss what happens when camera’s come into play.
Sure!Really ?I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....
It's clear that you base your conclusions on exceptions instead of common things. If you saw the sea often enough, you would know that ships dissapear bottom first. You can make pictures of that almost every day.
That’s why i repeatedly brought up the ancient Greeks with no camera available.
When gazing towards the horizon they saw how shipmasts sank over the horizon....appearently.
And this was also taught in elementary school.
Surprise, surprise..... no one i know, including myself had such an experience by simply using their eyes.
But you want to take it to the level of a camera ?
| (https://www.dropbox.com/s/pf2vbx9jx9pgext/Flat%20Earth%20Conference%20Debunked%20-%C2%A0Ship%20behind%20horizon%20%231.jpg?dl=1) | (https://www.dropbox.com/s/g6lrrty8ttngd96/Flat%20Earth%20Conference%20Debunked%20-%C2%A0Ship%20behind%20horizon%20%232.jpg?dl=1) |
It totally depends on the weather conditions how refraction, looming come into play and i have seen pictures online with structures well beyond the curvature that only can be explained by a phenomena like ‘superiour mirage’ ( magical flip flopping mirage that puts the distant city where one would expect it to be on a flat earth) .Of course "the professional weather man was caught be surprise" because that much of Chicago cannot usually be seen across Lake Michigan.
I phenomena that know one really knew before Jonathan Nowicki took pictures accross lake Michigan from Chicago. Even the professional weather man was caught be surprise when he took notice of this exotic phenomena at play,.... more like a shock really ;D
(https://steemitimages.com/DQmNq6fv48LL9epC1X2kL9b7DznpgpabWNRXQ6CtMm6kiLs/chic%20flat%20earth.jpg)Which looks very like Looking toward Chicago - Joshua Nowicki without any acknowledgement. And Joshua Nowicki's photo was claimed to be a "mirage", though it's not really a mirage, just a bit more refraction than usual, called looming.
Here are ten shots of Chicago from viewpoints ranging from 40 miles to 2 miles away:Something is hiding the lower part of Chicago in both cases and none should be hidden if the earth were flat - so what is it?
New Buffalo, MI (40 miles from skyline)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VuqBe8otbL2RHP18oWj5poK1MToC0Zq8Xp3AxSpLrBQ=w600-h392-no)
. . . . . . .
Question is, what's hiding the lower part of the city?
Now go to the shore the coming year without a camera and without blinking your eyes tell me you could indeed see a shipmast sink below an imaginary curvature.If it were only ships and cities hidden maybe I wouldn't bother but there is so much more involving the:
THEN we’ll discuss what happens when camera’s come into play.
It totally depends on the weather conditions how refraction, looming come into play and i have seen pictures online with structures well beyond the curvature that only can be explained by a phenomena like ‘superiour mirage’ ( magical flip flopping mirage that puts the distant city where one would expect it to be on a flat earth) .
I phenomena that know one really knew before Jonathan Nowicki took pictures accross lake Michigan from Chicago. Even the professional weather man was caught be surprise when he took notice of this exotic phenomena at play,.... more like a shock really ;D
Really ?I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....
It's clear that you base your conclusions on exceptions instead of common things. If you saw the sea often enough, you would know that ships dissapear bottom first. You can make pictures of that almost every day.
That’s why i repeatedly brought up the ancient Greeks with no camera available.
When gazing towards the horizon they saw how shipmasts sank over the horizon....appearently.
And this was also taught in elementary school.
Surprise, surprise..... no one i know, including myself had such an experience by simply using their eyes.
But you want to take it to the level of a camera ?
It totally depends on the weather conditions how refraction, looming come into play and i have seen pictures online with structures well beyond the curvature that only can be explained by a phenomena like ‘superiour mirage’ ( magical flip flopping mirage that puts the distant city where one would expect it to be on a flat earth) .
I phenomena that know one really knew before Jonathan Nowicki took pictures accross lake Michigan from Chicago. Even the professional weather man was caught be surprise when he took notice of this exotic phenomena at play,.... more like a shock really ;D
Now go to the shore the coming year without a camera and without blinking your eyes tell me you could indeed see a shipmast sink below an imaginary curvature.
THEN we’ll discuss what happens when camera’s come into play.
I call Globe a matrix because it is a very recent reality. Not only ancient Greeks didn't think earth was spherical but even a 100 years ago most people knew it was flat. We are given false History, They need to justify this Globe Matrix so they need official history and sequence of events to back it up. They gave you names such as Copernicus or Newton, but have you met these people? No because they died long ass time ago, so you don't really know what they thought. All I know is that spherical earth is a very new concept its the concept that locked us into this Matrix but luckily it is going away.So what is your proof for that Globe matrix? And how do you know that a spherical earth is a very new concept?
I call Globe a matrix because it is a very recent reality. Not only ancient Greeks didn't think earth was spherical but even a 100 years ago most people knew it was flat. We are given false History,And we are supposed to belive someone who gets his information third hand from someone who supposedly learned all this from ESP? Bollocks!
They need to justify this Globe Matrix so they need official history and sequence of events to back it up. They gave you names such as Copernicus or Newton, but have you met these people? No because they died long ass time ago, so you don't really know what they thought. All I know is that spherical earth is a very new concept its the concept that locked us into this Matrix but luckily it is going away.You call the Globe a Matrix because:
NASA SCIENCE, SOLAR SYSTEM EXPLORATION: Face of Earth (https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/696/from-a-million-miles-away-moon-crossing-face-of-earth/)Hope you
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Source: NASA/NOAA
Published: January 30, 2018
Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR) satellite's EPIC maintains a constant view of the fully illuminated Earth as it rotates, providing scientific observations of ozone, vegetation, cloud height and aerosols in the atmosphere.
About twice a year the camera captures the Moon and Earth together as the orbit of DSCOVR crosses the orbital plane of the Moon.
These images were taken between 3:50 p.m. and 8:45 p.m. EDT showing the moon moving over the Pacific Ocean near North America.
The North Pole is in the upper left corner of the image. It is in the original orientation as taken by the spacecraft.
This image from the Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR) satellite captured a unique view of the Moon as it moved in front of the sunlit side of Earth in 2015.
It shows a view of the farside of the Moon, which faces the Sun. I found this perspective profoundly moving and only through our satellite views could this have been shared.
- Michael Freilich, Director NASA Earth Science Division
I don't need to walk in the forest and I wasn't inspired by the movie or book. I always knew the truth.When anyone makes claims like "I always knew the truth" I know they are going to talk utter bunkum, but don't let that stop you.
I understand reality. Heleocentrism is a spiritless idea, void of any sense of spiritual understanding.Maybe maybe not, but the earth is a massive physical object and its size and shape can and has been determined by physical measurements and observations.
Amadeo Giannini indeed received a vision just like I received one. This is a gift.And how many of those that started the numerous religious cults have said exactly the same thing and link where a lot of them ended up!
If you could only do what I do Rab you would be in great shape.You really are a joke! You never show the slighest trace of credible evidence to support your claims and expect people to believe you - it ain't going to happen!
But you one part of the herd, you are incapable of independent thought You are a member of NASA herd, and I cull the herd, Jacob Seed said cull the herd. See even video game knows its time for a change. Listen man, I told you this many times man, we differ on how we view science and information. You take the word of NASA as gospel, I have my own visions and my own information. This will never change, So stop posting.I couldn't care less what YOU told me. You, Mr Pretend New Earth, don't order me or anyone else about!
Yes the basics of my conviction are at least free of indoctrination.Regardless of when it was learned, we now know, without a doubt, that the Earth is indeed a spheroid.For the sake of argument let's follow that kind of reasoning.
Fact.
We learned to understand for a fact in modern times that the earth is a sphere with a circomference of 25.000 miles.
Why on earth do we keep hearing that this was a more or less known fact for 2500 years ?
Why not simply acknowledge that only through recent developments, techniques and understanding phenomena like refraction we know the earth to be a sphere.
Only propaganda needs to add superlatives ,numbers and ancient super hero's who were far ahead of their current timeframe (Eratosthenes)
'Wow for 2500 years the whole intellectual community knew for a fact the earth was/is a globe'
That in it self is pretty smelly and anyone who cannot let the basics speak for themselves has a shaky conviction.
Are you serious? Are you really lecturing on "let the basics speak for themselves"??
I see the earth as flat
I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....
I have seen villages/structures far and beyond the curvature+refraction drop gazing along the absolute flat shoreline of the Netherlands where i live.
I heard stories about fisherman in Katwijk ( lived there) who could see the port of IJmuiden where their boats are on a very good day some 35 km further up the beach.
That is the basic of my flatearth conviction , because the current curvature calculation is simply flatout erronious and i really don't care what others have claimed to alter these facts of observation.QuoteYou, who simply dismisses literally MOUNTAINS of empirical evidence?It's not my fault you consider a hypothetical carpenter's drinking cup unworthy of consideration ;D
You, who provides absolutely ZERO viable evidence for ANY of your claims?
I give you evidence in this very post, but you are among those longing for the 'golden cup' , like NASA cgi from outerpace and are willing to destroy everything you see with your own eyes in the process.QuoteIt doesn't look right...You've got that right...... it looks terrible and every intelligent person should object to this utter nonsense of space related footage that have fakery written all over them.
For crying out loud man..... look at the Tesla in orbit, i cannot believe for a moment you believe that's reality. I really can't.QuoteHe's uncomfortable at a press conference...That's the least problematic expression...... lying and extremely evasive manouvres are the smoking gun....QuoteHe did or didn't see stars...At the same spot in cislunar space one astronaut claims to see an occasional star preferable by using optics..... on a later mission an astronaut claims ten times brighter and numerous stars compared to anything ever witinessed during a night on earth when simply looking through the cabine's window.
You should be ashamed of yourself to play down such a very important inconsistancy.QuoteI'm no expert on ancient Greek history, but I've seen plenty of recorded history posted here on the subject. You completely disregard that, and cry about copy pasting. Like books are evil. Did you burn all yours?Wiki and books are like Kim Kardeshian and female beauty or a Big Mac and healthy food.
Please , please don't be that ignorant sheep that really believes a computer is all a person needs to keep him/her properly informed about the world and it's history.
The www is like a fastfood chain for knowledge and rabinoz & co think it's the only place to eat.QuoteWhy don't you save it for some other sheep that buy in to your amateur psychoanalysis. Maybe look in the tinfoil isle.Contrary to others (rabinoz and his co reader audience) i do not care what the effect is upon others.QuoteThanks that's the nicest thing you said to me in a very long time !
Shame, really. You seem to be quite intelligent at times. I can only hope you are just another troll.
No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.
No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.
No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.
No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.
Are you saying the ground I’m standing on is not physical?
Did you perchance speak to Mr Tesla? Do you have a link to that?
And how big is this infinite earth, have you measured it?
Who called it the globe matrix? Was it inspired by the Wachowskis?
I though a globe was a finite form, am I wrong?
No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.
Are you saying the ground I’m standing on is not physical?
Did you perchance speak to Mr Tesla? Do you have a link to that?
And how big is this infinite earth, have you measured it?
Who called it the globe matrix? Was it inspired by the Wachowskis?
I though a globe was a finite form, am I wrong?
Lots of questions here. I will try ti answer. The ground you standing on is indeed physical and solid. However earth as a whole is a realm not a spinning ball in space. If you were to rise high above the earth you would still see only the flat ground, you would never see earth as ball no matter what altitude no matter how far away. Earth is infinite so why do you ask how big? Infinite that is how big. I don't really wanna go into explaining why I call it Globe Matrix, but search the forums and refer to my earlier posts about 3D vs 5D earth. In short, the world we are on right now is called Globe Matrix, the earth beyond Antarctica is infinite plane. To go beyond Antarctica and explore infinite earth takes interdimensional technology which yes does exist. And no I never met Tesla but neither have you or Rab, so you guys don't know if he believed in spinning ball or not, smart money here says he didn't.
And no I never met Tesla but neither have you or Rab, so you guys don't know if he believed in spinning ball or not, smart money here says he didn't.
No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.Globe Matrix? How is that defined?
No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.
Are you saying the ground I’m standing on is not physical?
Did you perchance speak to Mr Tesla? Do you have a link to that?
And how big is this infinite earth, have you measured it?
Who called it the globe matrix? Was it inspired by the Wachowskis?
I though a globe was a finite form, am I wrong?
Lots of questions here. I will try ti answer. The ground you standing on is indeed physical and solid. However earth as a whole is a realm not a spinning ball in space. If you were to rise high above the earth you would still see only the flat ground, you would never see earth as ball no matter what altitude no matter how far away. Earth is infinite so why do you ask how big? Infinite that is how big. I don't really wanna go into explaining why I call it Globe Matrix, but search the forums and refer to my earlier posts about 3D vs 5D earth. In short, the world we are on right now is called Globe Matrix, the earth beyond Antarctica is infinite plane. To go beyond Antarctica and explore infinite earth takes interdimensional technology which yes does exist. And no I never met Tesla but neither have you or Rab, so you guys don't know if he believed in spinning ball or not, smart money here says he didn't.
No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.No Nikola Tesla did not think that "Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape".
What I can't work out is why Tesla seems to be held up as a hero by so many flat earthers. He certainly did not believe the earth to be flat or stationary! See this address by him:
HOW COSMIC FORCES SHAPE OUR DESTINIES, ("Did the War Cause the Italian Earthquake") by Nikola Tesla (http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1915-02-07.htm) also at
— How Cosmic Forces Shape Our Destinies — ("Did the War Cause the Italian Earthquake"), New York American, February 7, 1915 (https://www.pbs.org/tesla/res/res_art10.html) in which he states:Quote from: Nicola TeslaI could quote numerous other places where Tesla describes some of his "inventions" in such a way that it obvious that he was quite confident that the earth is a huge Globe.NATURAL FORCES INFLUENCE US. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Accepting all this as true let us consider some of the forces and influences which act on such a wonderfully complex automatic engine with organs inconceivably sensitive and delicate, as it is carried by the spinning terrestrial globe in lightning flight through space. For the sake of simplicity we may assume that the earth's axis is perpendicular to the ecliptic and that the human automaton is at the equator. Let his weight be one hundred and sixty pounds then, at the rotational velocity of about 1,520 feet per second with which he is whirled around, the mechanical energy stored in his body will be nearly 5,780,000 foot pounds, which is about the energy of a hundred-pound cannon ball.
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The sun, having a mass 332,000 times that of the earth, but being 23,000 times farther, will attract the automaton with a force of about one-tenth of one pound, alternately increasing and diminishing his normal weight by that amount
Though not conscious of these periodic changes, he is surely affected by them.
The earth in its rotation around the sun carries him with the prodigious speed of nineteen miles per second
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This enormous energy is, however, not constant, but varies with the position of the automaton in relation to the sun. The circumference of the earth has a speed of 1,520 feet per second, which is either added to or subtracted from the translatory velocity of nineteen miles through space. Owing to this the energy will vary from twelve to twelve hours by an amount approximately equal to 1,533,000,000 foot pounds, which means that energy streams in some unknown way into and out of the body of the automaton at the rate of about sixty-four horse-power.
But this is not all. The whole`solar system is urged towards the remote constellation Hercules at a speed which some estimate at some twenty miles per second and owing to this there should be similar annual changes in the flux of energy, which may reach the appalling figure of over one hundred billion foot pounds. All these varying and purely mechanical effects are rendered more complex through the inclination of the orbital planes and many other permanent or casual mass actions.
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From the above address.
I don't agree with all the Tesla said about this Cosmic Energy "flowing though us" but he certainly did not think that Earth was anything but a huge rotating Globe.
I have also read, though I cannot verify it right now, that one reason Tesla disliked Einstein so much is that he believed that Einstein destroyed "Newton's gravitation".
From what I can gather, Tesla did not deny Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation, just differed with Einstein's "curved spacetime" explanation of it.
Sure, Nicola Tesla had a lot of "different ideas", but he most certainly did not believe in a flat stationary earth.