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Title: God?
Post by: ThatsInteresting on July 23, 2018, 09:44:08 PM
Does anyone have actual proof of god beside the bible and feelings?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: disputeone on July 23, 2018, 10:43:16 PM
0+0=0 every single time.

When you can prove 0+0=1 I will retract my claim that a creator is needed for creation.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on July 24, 2018, 02:18:05 AM
0+0=0 every single time.

When you can prove 0+0=1 I will retract my claim that a creator is needed for creation.

That's not actual proof of anything. I can make the same assertion about you existing.

0+0=0 every single time. When you can prove 0+0=1 I will retract my claim that you don't exist.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: markjo on July 24, 2018, 06:29:00 AM
Does anyone have actual proof of god beside the bible and feelings?
The babel fish (http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Babel_Fish).  Do you think that something that useful could evolve by accident?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: FalseProphet on July 24, 2018, 07:03:46 PM
Does anyone have actual proof of god beside the bible and feelings?
The babel fish (http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Babel_Fish).  Do you think that something that useful could evolve by accident?

Doesn't the babel fish prove that there is no god?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on July 24, 2018, 07:56:40 PM
Does anyone have actual proof of god beside the bible and feelings?

No, but stuff like the problem of evil is pretty hard to get around if you're talking about the judeo-christian God. There are logical disproofs.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: markjo on July 24, 2018, 09:05:55 PM
Does anyone have actual proof of god beside the bible and feelings?
The babel fish (http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Babel_Fish).  Do you think that something that useful could evolve by accident?

Doesn't the babel fish prove that there is no god?
Sorta.  It proves that there is a God, but proof denies faith and without faith God is nothing so He vanished in a puff of logic.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on July 25, 2018, 02:16:08 AM
Does anyone have actual proof of god beside the bible and feelings?
The babel fish (http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Babel_Fish).  Do you think that something that useful could evolve by accident?

Doesn't the babel fish prove that there is no god?
Sorta.  It proves that there is a God, but proof denies faith and without faith God is nothing so He vanished in a puff of logic.

You can have faith and evidence of God just like you have faith the chair you're sitting on will hold you up because of the evidence.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: disputeone on July 25, 2018, 02:39:59 AM
0+0=0 every single time.

When you can prove 0+0=1 I will retract my claim that a creator is needed for creation.

That's not actual proof of anything. I can make the same assertion about you existing.

0+0=0 every single time. When you can prove 0+0=1 I will retract my claim that you don't exist.

Actually in my case it was
Mother + Father = Me

That's not 0+0=1 that's 0.5+0.5=1

The maths checks out, or did I miss something?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: disputeone on July 25, 2018, 02:41:40 AM
the christian God.

There is no "judeo" christian god. I deleted it for you.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: FalseProphet on July 25, 2018, 02:46:32 AM
0+0=0 every single time.

When you can prove 0+0=1 I will retract my claim that a creator is needed for creation.

That's not actual proof of anything. I can make the same assertion about you existing.

0+0=0 every single time. When you can prove 0+0=1 I will retract my claim that you don't exist.

Actually in my case it was
Mother + Father = Me

That's not 0+0=1 that's 0.5+0.5=1

The maths checks out, or did I miss something?

Your parents were only half?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: disputeone on July 25, 2018, 02:47:28 AM
Your parents were only half?

Yes half of my mothers dna and half of my fathers dna made me, me.

Really, dude?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on July 25, 2018, 04:03:01 AM
the christian God.

There is no "judeo" christian god. I deleted it for you.

Mad that I left out Islam, or?
Not sure how you can really say that.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: disputeone on July 25, 2018, 04:04:50 AM
You are correct, you would have to include all Abrahamic Religions, there is only one God.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on July 25, 2018, 04:07:28 AM
You are correct, you would have to include all Abrahamic Religions, there is only one God.

Eh, I think God was feeling a bit 'off' the day he set Mohammed loose on the world.

I'll leave it out.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: disputeone on July 25, 2018, 04:09:47 AM
You are correct, you would have to include all Abrahamic Religions, there is only one God.

Eh, I think God was feeling a bit 'off' the day he set Mohammed loose on the world.

I'll leave it out.

I would agree, not to mention some of your Rabbi's, extreme doesn't seem a fitting enough word. What makes you think God sent them?

I have two questions for you while we are here on topic. Feel free not to answer them.

Who promised you Israel?
Who gave it to you?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: RocketSauce on July 25, 2018, 06:04:58 AM
The way that I view my observable reality is that the only proof of "God" at the moment is explaining the things we currently do not understand....

"The God of the Gaps"

And the gaps are always getting smaller. If there is an o'mighty consciousness, it is highly unlikely to be in the form promoted by any mainstream religion.....

I am always skeptical with other people's "this one time" stories... because our brains can be fooled... and while I know that i do not have the faculties to say whether there is a God or not... i lean towards... probably not.

What is the difference between belief in Santa for the masses of children and God for the masses of adults?

The only thing Santa teaches little kids, is he rewards rich people with more

If there is/was a god.... I think it makes more sense that it was a higher being that created us, was a vengeful warlike god.... and then either died off or left.... again, that is IF... I've not heard of any religious expirence that can't be reproduced without a shock to the right part of the brain, or mushrooms and DHT

I am still disappointed flat earthers don't at least humor the idea of the Gods Balls theory.... you know, that the sun and moon are God's dangling meat nuggets oozing with life giving properties.... makes a lot more sense than air pressure gravity
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Crouton on July 25, 2018, 06:11:48 AM
My view on God is that life is a mystery and everyone must stand alone. I hear you call my name and it feels like home. When you call my name it's like a little prayer.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: RocketSauce on July 25, 2018, 06:24:35 AM
My view on God is that life is a mystery and everyone must stand alone. I hear you call my name and it feels like home. When you call my name it's like a little prayer.

When I am in the mood for a fat meaty cucumber, i rock that song
Title: Re: God?
Post by: FalseProphet on July 25, 2018, 06:29:36 AM
My view on God is that life is a mystery and everyone must stand alone. I hear you call my name and it feels like home. When you call my name it's like a little prayer.

What if god was one of us? Like a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home or something you know...
Title: Re: God?
Post by: RocketSauce on July 25, 2018, 06:36:30 AM
My view on God is that life is a mystery and everyone must stand alone. I hear you call my name and it feels like home. When you call my name it's like a little prayer.

What if god was one of us? Like a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home or something you know...

Like Alanis Morissette in Dogma?

Maybe God heads the illuminati and is pulling the strings from there
Title: Re: God?
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on July 25, 2018, 07:27:40 AM
You're such an inspiration for the ways
That I'll never ever choose to be
Oh so many ways for me to show you
How the savior has abandoned you

Fuck your God
Your Lord and your Christ
He did this
Took all you had and
Left you this way
Still you pray, you never stray
Never taste of the fruit
You never thought to question why

It's not like you killed someone
It's not like you drove a hateful spear into his side
Praise the one who left you
Broken down and paralyzed
He did it all for you
He did it all for you

Oh so many ways for me to show you
How your dogma has abandoned you

Pray to your Christ, to your god
Never taste of the fruit
Never stray, never break
Never choke on a lie
Even though he's the one who did this to you
You never thought to question why

Not like you killed someone
It's not like you drove a spiteful spear into his side
Talk to Jesus Christ
As if he knows the reasons why
He did it all for you

Did it all for you

He did it all for you
Title: Re: God?
Post by: markjo on July 25, 2018, 07:43:55 AM
My view on God is that life is a mystery and everyone must stand alone. I hear you call my name and it feels like home. When you call my name it's like a little prayer.

What if god was one of us? Like a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home or something you know...
Then He wouldn't be God, now would He?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: FalseProphet on July 25, 2018, 08:30:29 AM
My view on God is that life is a mystery and everyone must stand alone. I hear you call my name and it feels like home. When you call my name it's like a little prayer.

What if god was one of us? Like a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home or something you know...
Then He wouldn't be God, now would He?

Your own personal Jesus.
Someone who hears your prayers, someone who cares.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Crouton on July 25, 2018, 08:34:57 AM
My view on God is that life is a mystery and everyone must stand alone. I hear you call my name and it feels like home. When you call my name it's like a little prayer.

What if god was one of us? Like a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home or something you know...
Then He wouldn't be God, now would He?

I pray he can make it better down here.  I don't mean a big reduction in the price of beer.  But all the people that he made in his image are starving on their feet.  Cause they don't get enough to eat.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on July 25, 2018, 09:04:08 AM
You are correct, you would have to include all Abrahamic Religions, there is only one God.

Eh, I think God was feeling a bit 'off' the day he set Mohammed loose on the world.

I'll leave it out.

I would agree, not to mention some of your Rabbi's, extreme doesn't seem a fitting enough word. What makes you think God sent them?

I have two questions for you while we are here on topic. Feel free not to answer them.

Who promised you Israel?
Who gave it to you?

The Tanakh says God gave the land to Abraham and his descendants. If you're about to launch into some schpiel about who Abraham's descendants are, I'm not sure I want to have that conversation. That's unwinnable and futile on both sides.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on July 25, 2018, 10:57:34 AM
Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise the lord!
Title: Re: God?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 25, 2018, 11:02:13 AM
That's unwinnable and futile on both sides.
This is the flat earth society forum.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on July 25, 2018, 11:02:37 AM
Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise the lord!

You're a son?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Crouton on July 25, 2018, 11:09:14 AM
Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise the lord!

You're a son?

Right arm.

Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise the lord!
Title: Re: God?
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on July 25, 2018, 11:14:02 AM


George Carlin gets it
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on July 25, 2018, 11:22:35 AM
Left arm!

Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise the lord!
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Pezevenk on July 25, 2018, 11:57:22 AM
My view on God is that life is a mystery and everyone must stand alone. I hear you call my name and it feels like home. When you call my name it's like a little prayer.

What if god was one of us? Like a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home or something you know...
Then He wouldn't be God, now would He?

Your own personal Jesus.
Someone who hears your prayers, someone who cares.
Da na na NA na na da nana Na na
Title: Re: God?
Post by: boydster on July 25, 2018, 12:21:45 PM
Left arm!

Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise the lord!
Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise the lord!
Right arm, left arm, right foot!
Title: Re: God?
Post by: RocketSauce on July 25, 2018, 12:44:14 PM
Religion for me would be easier (maybe) if there only ever was one single religion.... the fact that there have been many screams bullshit to me
Title: Re: God?
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on July 25, 2018, 12:52:20 PM
All worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 25, 2018, 01:06:48 PM
Behold His noodly goodness, Ramen.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on July 25, 2018, 06:49:46 PM
Does anyone have actual proof of god beside the bible and feelings?

"Proof" is a sticky word; some philosophers have believed that it's impossible to completely prove anything. But there is evidence that some kind of intelligent and/or willful Creator exists, yes. Fairly strong evidence, really. Not the judeo-christian God, obviously, but there certainly seems to be something that at least set the controls in motion so that intelligent life could exist and perhaps flourish in the universe, and that something must have possessed intelligence. So I call it God; YMMV.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Shifter on July 25, 2018, 07:05:11 PM
Does anyone have actual proof of god beside the bible and feelings?

"Proof" is a sticky word; some philosophers have believed that it's impossible to completely prove anything. But there is evidence that some kind of intelligent and/or willful Creator exists, yes. Fairly strong evidence, really. Not the judeo-christian God, obviously, but there certainly seems to be something that at least set the controls in motion so that intelligent life could exist and perhaps flourish in the universe, and that something must have possessed intelligence. So I call it God; YMMV.


ALRIGHT!!!! ENOUGH!!!!


It was me
Title: Re: God?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on July 25, 2018, 07:58:37 PM
Does anyone have actual proof of god beside the bible and feelings?

"Proof" is a sticky word; some philosophers have believed that it's impossible to completely prove anything. But there is evidence that some kind of intelligent and/or willful Creator exists, yes. Fairly strong evidence, really. Not the judeo-christian God, obviously, but there certainly seems to be something that at least set the controls in motion so that intelligent life could exist and perhaps flourish in the universe, and that something must have possessed intelligence. So I call it God; YMMV.

Care to share some of this evidence?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on July 25, 2018, 10:58:04 PM
Left arm!

Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise the lord!
Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise the lord!
Right arm, left arm, right foot!

Father Abraham had many sons, and many sons had father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise The Lord!

Right arm, left arm, right foot, left foot.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on July 25, 2018, 11:07:33 PM
Religion for me would be easier (maybe) if there only ever was one single religion.... the fact that there have been many screams bullshit to me

Actually, I believe it actually screams the opposite. If thousands of people claimed to have witnessed the 9/11 attacks with a similar story line, then it's reasonable to assume that these thousands of people saw something of that nature, you may get conflicting stories, and down right lies of what happened, but the core premise is consistent throughout. Same with religion, you'll get spin offs, cults, sects, and denominations. Often times they almost completely contradict each other. Yet all of these religions share the same premise that something/someone intelligent had at least some part in creating what we are.   
Title: Re: God?
Post by: FalseProphet on July 25, 2018, 11:24:51 PM
Religion for me would be easier (maybe) if there only ever was one single religion.... the fact that there have been many screams bullshit to me

Actually, I believe it actually screams the opposite. If thousands of people claimed to have witnessed the 9/11 attacks with a similar story line, then it's reasonable to assume that these thousands of people saw something of that nature, you may get conflicting stories, and down right lies of what happened, but the core premise is consistent throughout. Same with religion, you'll get spin offs, cults, sects, and denominations. Often times they almost completely contradict each other. Yet all of these religions share the same premise that something/someone intelligent had at least some part in creating what we are.   

Like "something flew into something somewhere"?

Title: Re: God?
Post by: Pezevenk on July 26, 2018, 12:52:46 AM
Religion for me would be easier (maybe) if there only ever was one single religion.... the fact that there have been many screams bullshit to me

Actually, I believe it actually screams the opposite. If thousands of people claimed to have witnessed the 9/11 attacks with a similar story line, then it's reasonable to assume that these thousands of people saw something of that nature, you may get conflicting stories, and down right lies of what happened, but the core premise is consistent throughout. Same with religion, you'll get spin offs, cults, sects, and denominations. Often times they almost completely contradict each other. Yet all of these religions share the same premise that something/someone intelligent had at least some part in creating what we are.   
How many of them witnessed the universe being created?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Shifter on July 26, 2018, 01:26:13 AM
Religion for me would be easier (maybe) if there only ever was one single religion.... the fact that there have been many screams bullshit to me

Actually, I believe it actually screams the opposite. If thousands of people claimed to have witnessed the 9/11 attacks with a similar story line, then it's reasonable to assume that these thousands of people saw something of that nature, you may get conflicting stories, and down right lies of what happened, but the core premise is consistent throughout. Same with religion, you'll get spin offs, cults, sects, and denominations. Often times they almost completely contradict each other. Yet all of these religions share the same premise that something/someone intelligent had at least some part in creating what we are.   
How many of them witnessed the universe being created?

Do you need witnesses?

Einstein has a good parable for that
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The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.

Here is some things Albert Einstein said on spirituality
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A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.

I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God.
Nothing wrong with a belief in a higher power or God or whatever without 'evidence'. Faith is something is better than nothing at all. Even the words greatest and smartest minds did not resign themselves to an arrogant atheist view on the universe



Title: Re: God?
Post by: FalseProphet on July 26, 2018, 01:37:32 AM
Even the words greatest and smartest minds did not resign themselves to an arrogant atheist view on the universe

There are lots of atheistic as well as theistic scientists, at least since the 19th century. Before that you could be killed for being an atheist.

Likewise there are lots of arrogant and non-arrogant atheists and theists.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on July 26, 2018, 02:57:40 AM
Even the words greatest and smartest minds did not resign themselves to an arrogant atheist view on the universe

Not true, for I am an atheist!
Title: Re: God?
Post by: FalseProphet on July 26, 2018, 03:22:17 AM
Even the words greatest and smartest minds did not resign themselves to an arrogant atheist view on the universe

Not true, for I am an atheist!

But you are definitely not an arrogant atheist, just a very stable genius.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 26, 2018, 05:14:03 AM
arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on July 26, 2018, 06:08:26 AM

But you are definitely not an arrogant atheist, just a very stable genius.

Tis so, FP (possibly my most favouritist poster at this moment) but sadly Shitfer (The most arrogant person here) considers those who do not agree with him to be worthy of an insult, for this topic he has chosen “arrogant”.

For those of us who look at the world, and seeing River-blindness, hominivorax screw-flies and “Love-island” cannot imagine a deity who would conceive such monstrous things, let alone be worthy of praise for having done so, we see a universe that is indifferent to our tiny lives, but no less beautiful and magnificent in parts for that.


 
“Where there is evidence, no one speaks of 'faith'. We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round. We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence.” -Bertrand Russell.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: RocketSauce on July 26, 2018, 06:39:21 AM
arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?

For some people... their views are so integrated with their identity, that opposition is almost a personal attack....

Imagine die hard Vegans, Social justice warrior snowflake... if I walk up to some of these people and say I'm pro Trump  (or obama) not because of the personality bit because of policy.... it doesn't matter. YOUR NOT GRABBING MY PUSS!!!

shifter is so down with some God, he thinks the Earth was flattened by his godly gastric wind...

Good luck expecting a rational debate with the irrational.... these forums are just endless point-cointerpoint and to change your view or acknowledge a good point is weakness....

So I'd rather comment on people's character while y'all debate
Title: Re: God?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on July 26, 2018, 06:44:22 AM
arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?

For some people... their views are so integrated with their identity, that opposition is almost a personal attack....

Imagine die hard Vegans, Social justice warrior snowflake... if I walk up to some of these people and say I'm pro Trump  (or obama) not because of the personality bit because of policy.... it doesn't matter. YOUR NOT GRABBING MY PUSS!!!

shifter is so down with some God, he thinks the Earth was flattened by his godly gastric wind...

Good luck expecting a rational debate with the irrational.... these forums are just endless point-cointerpoint and to change your view or acknowledge a good point is weakness....

So I'd rather comment on people's character while y'all debate

You're*

You don't need to accept God as concrete fact to be religious (I'm not sure, I acknowledge I'm not sure, I'm still a Jew). Not everyone who admits the possiblity exists is irrational.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: FalseProphet on July 26, 2018, 07:13:01 AM
“Where there is evidence, no one speaks of 'faith'. We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round. We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence.” -Bertrand Russell.

I have no faith that two and two are four. Every time it happens I am baffled again.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: RocketSauce on July 26, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?

For some people... their views are so integrated with their identity, that opposition is almost a personal attack....

Imagine die hard Vegans, Social justice warrior snowflake... if I walk up to some of these people and say I'm pro Trump  (or obama) not because of the personality bit because of policy.... it doesn't matter. YOUR NOT GRABBING MY PUSS!!!

shifter is so down with some God, he thinks the Earth was flattened by his godly gastric wind...

Good luck expecting a rational debate with the irrational.... these forums are just endless point-cointerpoint and to change your view or acknowledge a good point is weakness....

So I'd rather comment on people's character while y'all debate

You're*

You don't need to accept God as concrete fact to be religious (I'm not sure, I acknowledge I'm not sure, I'm still a Jew). Not everyone who admits the possiblity exists is irrational.

Shifter is not talking about possibility.... he is all in to the point of flat earth....

#irrational
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Pezevenk on July 26, 2018, 11:41:49 AM
Religion for me would be easier (maybe) if there only ever was one single religion.... the fact that there have been many screams bullshit to me

Actually, I believe it actually screams the opposite. If thousands of people claimed to have witnessed the 9/11 attacks with a similar story line, then it's reasonable to assume that these thousands of people saw something of that nature, you may get conflicting stories, and down right lies of what happened, but the core premise is consistent throughout. Same with religion, you'll get spin offs, cults, sects, and denominations. Often times they almost completely contradict each other. Yet all of these religions share the same premise that something/someone intelligent had at least some part in creating what we are.   
How many of them witnessed the universe being created?

Do you need witnesses?

Luke made a silly equivalence. The question was meant to demonstrate it's silly.

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Here is some things Albert Einstein said on spirituality
That was irrelevant both to my question and to your argument.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Pezevenk on July 26, 2018, 11:43:01 AM
arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?
Some retarts think being an atheist means you think you're God, or that you know everything, or something dumb like that.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: RocketSauce on July 26, 2018, 01:52:36 PM
Religion for me would be easier (maybe) if there only ever was one single religion.... the fact that there have been many screams bullshit to me

Actually, I believe it actually screams the opposite. If thousands of people claimed to have witnessed the 9/11 attacks with a similar story line, then it's reasonable to assume that these thousands of people saw something of that nature, you may get conflicting stories, and down right lies of what happened, but the core premise is consistent throughout. Same with religion, you'll get spin offs, cults, sects, and denominations. Often times they almost completely contradict each other. Yet all of these religions share the same premise that something/someone intelligent had at least some part in creating what we are.   

I'm not so sure... your abrahamic religions maybe, but then take into account the European pagens, the Hawaiians, the native Americans, the people of India, eruptions, south americams, central americans, various parts of Africa, Easter Isle,  ancient Greeks, luke skywalker, vikings.... romans... the Golden Bull from the old testiment... that fuck that thought the mother ship was flying behind Hale-Bopp...

Those were religions not based off typical Abrahamic religion.

And even to your 9/11 point.... an event happens, then you get a series of retellings with various degrees of truth.... now the story is retold and reinterpreted to Godzilla smashing the buildings and king Kong fucking a hole in the Pentagon (or the other way around)

Now while the event still happened I can't trust any version that I hear, which leads me to my original point... I'm not smart enough to deny a higher "thing" but it is sures shits not what people are telling me it is.... because the whole "you've got to have faith" thing comes into play and assholes start making up phrases like.... it doesn't matter which religion you believe as long as you are spiritual.... fuck you, suck my sack.... it's either right or wrong, either it did or it didnt.... Does doesnt... And if you go Old Testiment... death to those who don't believe in the right god...

My religion should not be based on what patch of dirt I happened to be squeezed out of my mother's twat on.... or what culture I was raised in, or what year I happened to be born on

And until a supernatural event takes place (like they used to, apparently) that i can witness and not explain away with science or eventual science.... something undeniable...  i am skeptical... don't give me some vague ass shit third story, well this one time... or LOVE is god.... no... turn someone into a pillar of salt.. confuse the languages.... fuck, give me some David Copperfield stunt that stands up to scrutiny

Like I've told people in RL... the moment I see a ghost, I'll be the most crazy Jesus freak born again annoying motherfuck you've ever seen.... because that would be proof to me that spirits CAN exist

Or maybe if I finally try shrooms and am enlightened... either way
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 26, 2018, 02:00:49 PM

... the moment I see a ghost, I'll be the most crazy Jesus freak born again annoying motherfuck you've ever seen....

The thing is that the only people who see ghosts are people who believe in ghosts.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: RocketSauce on July 26, 2018, 02:02:38 PM
Only people that identify the voices in their head as Jesus can not be trusted

(Lots of people can't be trusted, not just loons)
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Shifter on July 26, 2018, 02:11:02 PM
arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?

Doesn't have to be a worshippable diety. A belief in anything beyond our own dimensional existence that created the universe. Any 'higher power'. This does not mean who/whatever is omnipotent, has an afterlife for us humans, gives a shit about humans on Earth or has some kind of moral or ethical code. Could be looooong gone now. It could be the universe itself is one living entity. Who the hell knows? I talk about the atheists who have closed their minds to any possibility that anything outside their understanding or view of the universe is all there is to see. I do not regard these people as intelligent. The intelligent ones (like the famous Einstein) had an open mind.

arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?

For some people... their views are so integrated with their identity, that opposition is almost a personal attack....

Imagine die hard Vegans, Social justice warrior snowflake... if I walk up to some of these people and say I'm pro Trump  (or obama) not because of the personality bit because of policy.... it doesn't matter. YOUR NOT GRABBING MY PUSS!!!

shifter is so down with some God, he thinks the Earth was flattened by his godly gastric wind...

Good luck expecting a rational debate with the irrational.... these forums are just endless point-cointerpoint and to change your view or acknowledge a good point is weakness....

So I'd rather comment on people's character while y'all debate

I do not believe the Earth is flat or any God currently worshipped here on Earth. It is unknown. Unknown does not mean non existent or impossible. Check your facts about someone before you spew your shit

arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?

For some people... their views are so integrated with their identity, that opposition is almost a personal attack....

Imagine die hard Vegans, Social justice warrior snowflake... if I walk up to some of these people and say I'm pro Trump  (or obama) not because of the personality bit because of policy.... it doesn't matter. YOUR NOT GRABBING MY PUSS!!!

shifter is so down with some God, he thinks the Earth was flattened by his godly gastric wind...

Good luck expecting a rational debate with the irrational.... these forums are just endless point-cointerpoint and to change your view or acknowledge a good point is weakness....

So I'd rather comment on people's character while y'all debate

You're*

You don't need to accept God as concrete fact to be religious (I'm not sure, I acknowledge I'm not sure, I'm still a Jew). Not everyone who admits the possiblity exists is irrational.

Shifter is not talking about possibility.... he is all in to the point of flat earth....

#irrational

Same advice, as above.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on July 26, 2018, 03:31:36 PM
Religion for me would be easier (maybe) if there only ever was one single religion.... the fact that there have been many screams bullshit to me

Actually, I believe it actually screams the opposite. If thousands of people claimed to have witnessed the 9/11 attacks with a similar story line, then it's reasonable to assume that these thousands of people saw something of that nature, you may get conflicting stories, and down right lies of what happened, but the core premise is consistent throughout. Same with religion, you'll get spin offs, cults, sects, and denominations. Often times they almost completely contradict each other. Yet all of these religions share the same premise that something/someone intelligent had at least some part in creating what we are.   
How many of them witnessed the universe being created?

No, but you don't have to directly witness the event to say that it happened. Going back to my 9/11 analogy, I'm sure there are thuosands of people who while they didn't actually see the planes hit, they did witness the after effects
Title: Re: God?
Post by: mark fowler on July 26, 2018, 03:38:07 PM
Of course I can prove God....This "flat earth " proves HIM, this is described in the book of geneses, job, Samuel...through out the scriptures....HE has created all things.....and this is HIS world.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: RocketSauce on July 26, 2018, 07:07:43 PM
arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?

Doesn't have to be a worshippable diety. A belief in anything beyond our own dimensional existence that created the universe. Any 'higher power'. This does not mean who/whatever is omnipotent, has an afterlife for us humans, gives a shit about humans on Earth or has some kind of moral or ethical code. Could be looooong gone now. It could be the universe itself is one living entity. Who the hell knows? I talk about the atheists who have closed their minds to any possibility that anything outside their understanding or view of the universe is all there is to see. I do not regard these people as intelligent. The intelligent ones (like the famous Einstein) had an open mind.

arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?

For some people... their views are so integrated with their identity, that opposition is almost a personal attack....

Imagine die hard Vegans, Social justice warrior snowflake... if I walk up to some of these people and say I'm pro Trump  (or obama) not because of the personality bit because of policy.... it doesn't matter. YOUR NOT GRABBING MY PUSS!!!

shifter is so down with some God, he thinks the Earth was flattened by his godly gastric wind...

Good luck expecting a rational debate with the irrational.... these forums are just endless point-cointerpoint and to change your view or acknowledge a good point is weakness....

So I'd rather comment on people's character while y'all debate

I do not believe the Earth is flat or any God currently worshipped here on Earth. It is unknown. Unknown does not mean non existent or impossible. Check your facts about someone before you spew your shit

arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?

For some people... their views are so integrated with their identity, that opposition is almost a personal attack....

Imagine die hard Vegans, Social justice warrior snowflake... if I walk up to some of these people and say I'm pro Trump  (or obama) not because of the personality bit because of policy.... it doesn't matter. YOUR NOT GRABBING MY PUSS!!!

shifter is so down with some God, he thinks the Earth was flattened by his godly gastric wind...

Good luck expecting a rational debate with the irrational.... these forums are just endless point-cointerpoint and to change your view or acknowledge a good point is weakness....

So I'd rather comment on people's character while y'all debate

You're*

You don't need to accept God as concrete fact to be religious (I'm not sure, I acknowledge I'm not sure, I'm still a Jew). Not everyone who admits the possiblity exists is irrational.

Shifter is not talking about possibility.... he is all in to the point of flat earth....

#irrational

Same advice, as above.

A higher source being unknown is consistent with what I've been saying... as for the rest.... lighten up pussy
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Shifter on July 26, 2018, 07:18:13 PM
arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?

For some people... their views are so integrated with their identity, that opposition is almost a personal attack....

Imagine die hard Vegans, Social justice warrior snowflake... if I walk up to some of these people and say I'm pro Trump  (or obama) not because of the personality bit because of policy.... it doesn't matter. YOUR NOT GRABBING MY PUSS!!!

shifter is so down with some God, he thinks the Earth was flattened by his godly gastric wind...

Good luck expecting a rational debate with the irrational.... these forums are just endless point-cointerpoint and to change your view or acknowledge a good point is weakness....

So I'd rather comment on people's character while y'all debate

You're*

You don't need to accept God as concrete fact to be religious (I'm not sure, I acknowledge I'm not sure, I'm still a Jew). Not everyone who admits the possiblity exists is irrational.

Shifter is not talking about possibility.... he is all in to the point of flat earth....

#irrational

This is a total bullshit statement. It is at odds with reality. If you wish to salvage any credibility at all you will retract this bullshit claim. I'm not even sure how you got to that point of delusion about me
Title: Re: God?
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on July 26, 2018, 10:47:44 PM
Of course I can prove God....This "flat earth " proves HIM, this is described in the book of geneses, job, Samuel...through out the scriptures....HE has created all things.....and this is HIS world.

You can't say there's proof of God by quoting scripture especially when not everybody agrees that the Bible claims that the earth is flat such as myself. If you want to provide evidence for God then you need to provide historical or scientific evidence.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 27, 2018, 03:41:59 AM
Doesn't have to be a worshippable diety. A belief in anything beyond our own dimensional existence
Our own "dimensional existence"?  Does that even mean anything?

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Any 'higher power'. This does not mean who/whatever is omnipotent, has an afterlife for us humans, gives a shit about humans on Earth or has some kind of moral or ethical code. Could be looooong gone now. It could be the universe itself is one living entity. Who the hell knows?
Yes, I'm open to the possibility, however I'm still an atheist.  I have no faith or belief in a deity.  If some evidence changes my mind I might not be an atheist, until then I am. 
You are into Russel's teapot territory:

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"In an article titled "Is There a God?" commissioned, but never published, by Illustrated magazine in 1952, Russell wrote:

Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.[2]

In 1958, Russell elaborated on the analogy:

I ought to call myself an agnostic; but, for all practical purposes, I am an atheist. I do not think the existence of the Christian God any more probable than the existence of the Gods of Olympus or Valhalla. To take another illustration: nobody can prove that there is not between the Earth and Mars a china teapot revolving in an elliptical orbit, but nobody thinks this sufficiently likely to be taken into account in practice. I think the Christian God just as unlikely.[3]"
I've highlighted the the line that perfectly captures my position.

You still haven't explained why this is arrogant.


Title: Re: God?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 27, 2018, 03:45:56 AM
No, but you don't have to directly witness the event to say that it happened. Going back to my 9/11 analogy, I'm sure there are thuosands of people who while they didn't actually see the planes hit, they did witness the after effects
Yes, and in a previous age, one without modern media evidence, they would have attributed the destruction of those buildings to an angry god.  The buildings were destroyed because their arrogance angered the god, and the sinful population of New York needed to be punished.  Sodom and Gomorrah all over again.
Title: Re: God?
Post by: RocketSauce on July 28, 2018, 11:42:36 AM
arrogant atheist view on the universe
What's so arrogant about not believing in a deity?

For some people... their views are so integrated with their identity, that opposition is almost a personal attack....

Imagine die hard Vegans, Social justice warrior snowflake... if I walk up to some of these people and say I'm pro Trump  (or obama) not because of the personality bit because of policy.... it doesn't matter. YOUR NOT GRABBING MY PUSS!!!

shifter is so down with some God, he thinks the Earth was flattened by his godly gastric wind...

Good luck expecting a rational debate with the irrational.... these forums are just endless point-cointerpoint and to change your view or acknowledge a good point is weakness....

So I'd rather comment on people's character while y'all debate

You're*

You don't need to accept God as concrete fact to be religious (I'm not sure, I acknowledge I'm not sure, I'm still a Jew). Not everyone who admits the possiblity exists is irrational.

Shifter is not talking about possibility.... he is all in to the point of flat earth....

#irrational

This is a total bullshit statement. It is at odds with reality. If you wish to salvage any credibility at all you will retract this bullshit claim. I'm not even sure how you got to that point of delusion about me

It's hard to tell the religious FE from the religious non FE'rs here sometimes... but, ultimately the people I wish to maintain credibility with don't visit this site
Title: Re: God?
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on July 30, 2018, 05:51:32 PM
Does anyone have actual proof of god beside the bible and feelings?

Define proof.