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Title: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: newzealander on February 11, 2018, 09:49:03 AM
Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina. It is approx 5800 miles. How does that work on the flat earth map?
Please don't tell me the ship used jet streams.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 10:27:44 AM
Do you really believe you can do this?  ;D This is really should be a joke, please, come on, tell me that this is a joke. You can never, ever and never achieve this.

If you look our "technical" flat earth map, we'll see that there is more than 20.000 kms. I did not calculate but you can do if you want.If you choose constantly go west, so it takes about 25.000 kms; if you don't lose the path.

I can clearly say thatif you try this, we'll can not talk with you again.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/lO38zQ.png)

Perhaps, your belief on NASA will cause your die.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 10:41:48 AM
While you start to travel, prove your place and date and time with a video, and send it in same day. Then we'll start to chronometre. Get and send videos in travel to prove your location rarely but sometimes. After about 3 month, (I agree you pass 200kms per day) if you still alive, send your last video from Argentina. Then we'll calculate the average distance all together.

If it really 5.000 something kilometres, you may travel inside 1 month. (perhaps two or three weeks). But if the earth is flat, you can't pass this distance shorter than 2 months. So on the point of being between 1 month to 2 month as draw; I bet you can't arrive before 2 months for 0.00000173฿

This is not a lot but has a symbolic meaning for us.  8)
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: sokarul on February 11, 2018, 10:42:23 AM
It’s ok to ignore his stupid map. Everyone else does.

Since you are from New Zealand, can you confirm the Southern Cross is due south from your location?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 10:43:55 AM
It’s ok to ignore his stupid map. Everyone else does.


Only idiots do. This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances basicly. Here everybody is not idiot, oppositely you. If you are sincere the shape of the earth, go do bet.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: MicroBeta on February 11, 2018, 11:13:33 AM
Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina. It is approx 5800 miles. How does that work on the flat earth map?
Please don't tell me the ship used jet streams.
There are cruises from Australia to South America.  Last year the Sea Princess had a couple of cruises that went from Brisbane to South America and the other way around. 

There are also world cruises that circumnavigate the globe.  The one from Princess Cruises starts and ends in Australia.  It takes 106 days with 40 ports of call. 

There are cruises from Cape Town to ports in South America ending up in Los Angeles.

These are cruises anyone can take.  They can't be dismissed by mr. dome.

IMHO, that wouldn’t be possible on a flat earth.  At least not in the time lines they run in.  The Brotherhood’s map is all wrong.

Mike
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: totallackey on February 11, 2018, 11:34:09 AM
Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina. It is approx 5800 miles. How does that work on the flat earth map?
Please don't tell me the ship used jet streams.
I doubt you can sail a fucking boat in your fucking bathtub...

Who the fuck creates a fucking account on a flat earth web site and their very first post claims they cannot only sail a fucking boat from New Zealand to Argentina (some of the roughest fucking seas known to humanity) but then only provides an approximate fucking mileage...

Why don't you take a long walk on a short pier...

LMMFAO!!!
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 12:10:03 PM
Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina. It is approx 5800 miles. How does that work on the flat earth map?
Please don't tell me the ship used jet streams.
There are cruises from Australia to South America.  Last year the Sea Princess had a couple of cruises that went from Brisbane to South America and the other way around. 

There are also world cruises that circumnavigate the globe.  The one from Princess Cruises starts and ends in Australia.  It takes 106 days with 40 ports of call. 

There are cruises from Cape Town to ports in South America ending up in Los Angeles.

These are cruises anyone can take.  They can't be dismissed by mr. dome.

IMHO, that wouldn’t be possible on a flat earth.  At least not in the time lines they run in.  The Brotherhood’s map is all wrong.

Mike

It is possible if you run just 235 kms for per day, 25.000 kms in 106 days. This overlaps with flat map. But if it really goes with 106 days, so 5800miles/106= 55 miles/day. If this ship runs 10 hour per day, it means 5 miles/per hour. Isn't it very few? Or do you think ocean winds are running from opposite route.

I already calculated according to flat earth map it takes at least 2 and possible 3 months. And you say there is a sheduled travel takes 3,3 months. What is the different?

The earth still is flat. But your claim may kill him. I know I know, it is not important him live or dead, thats the important thing for you only prove the earth is round. But if you are wrong and if he will die, will not you  feel remorse? Do not you have a heart? What kind of a cruel, brutal, monster man are you?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: MicroBeta on February 11, 2018, 02:13:47 PM
Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina. It is approx 5800 miles. How does that work on the flat earth map?
Please don't tell me the ship used jet streams.
There are cruises from Australia to South America.  Last year the Sea Princess had a couple of cruises that went from Brisbane to South America and the other way around. 

There are also world cruises that circumnavigate the globe.  The one from Princess Cruises starts and ends in Australia.  It takes 106 days with 40 ports of call. 

There are cruises from Cape Town to ports in South America ending up in Los Angeles.

These are cruises anyone can take.  They can't be dismissed by mr. dome.

IMHO, that wouldn’t be possible on a flat earth.  At least not in the time lines they run in.  The Brotherhood’s map is all wrong.

Mike

It is possible if you run just 235 kms for per day, 25.000 kms in 106 days. This overlaps with flat map. But if it really goes with 106 days, so 5800miles/106= 55 miles/day. If this ship runs 10 hour per day, it means 5 miles/per hour. Isn't it very few? Or do you think ocean winds are running from opposite route.

I already calculated according to flat earth map it takes at least 2 and possible 3 months. And you say there is a sheduled travel takes 3,3 months. What is the different?
Where does 25,000 km come from and why did you use it at the length of the route of the cruise ship? 

The cruise itinerary is in the link below.  See if that fits you map.  Pay particular attention to the final leg from South America back to Australia.

https://www.princess.com/find/cruiseDetails.do?voyageCode=C814A

Based on your map what is the circumference at the southern latitudes.

The earth still is flat. But your claim may kill him. I know I know, it is not important him live or dead, thats the important thing for you only prove the earth is round. But if you are wrong and if he will die, will not you  feel remorse? Do not you have a heart? What kind of a cruel, brutal, monster man are you?

I am not killing anyone for having an opinion so I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Mike
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: ER22 on February 11, 2018, 02:27:14 PM
It’s ok to ignore his stupid map. Everyone else does.


Only idiots do. This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances basicly. Here everybody is not idiot, oppositely you. If you are sincere the shape of the earth, go do bet.

What map are you guys talking about?
All I saw was a grid with a bunch of dots with names.
I could be wrong but I don't think this constitutes a map.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: ER22 on February 11, 2018, 02:42:09 PM
Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina. It is approx 5800 miles. How does that work on the flat earth map?
Please don't tell me the ship used jet streams.

If you could fly direct from New Zealand to Argentina, the distance would be about 5,800 miles.
Don't think you can sail there in that distance, cause Chile is in the way.
What were you trying to accomplish with BS?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: frenat on February 11, 2018, 03:42:39 PM
Do you really believe you can do this?  ;D This is really should be a joke, please, come on, tell me that this is a joke. You can never, ever and never achieve this.

If you look our "technical" flat earth map, we'll see that there is more than 20.000 kms. I did not calculate but you can do if you want.If you choose constantly go west, so it takes about 25.000 kms; if you don't lose the path.

I can clearly say thatif you try this, we'll can not talk with you again.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/lO38zQ.png)

Perhaps, your belief on NASA will cause your die.
Or your map is wrong.  Since you just ignored flights that don't fit and you didn't bother to see if anything works better with a shape other than flat you've clearly shown your bias.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: inquisitive on February 13, 2018, 12:48:13 AM
Air new zealand 11hrs 30min. Auckland to Buenos Aires.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: rvlvr on February 13, 2018, 12:52:04 AM
Impossibru.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: MicroBeta on February 13, 2018, 02:59:36 AM
Air new zealand 11hrs 30min. Auckland to Buenos Aires.
Emirates flies from Dubai to Auckland.  About 17 hours and ≈14000 km.

Mike
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on July 17, 2019, 06:36:48 AM
Air new zealand 11hrs 30min. Auckland to Buenos Aires.
Nope. Lie. Prove it.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: turtles on July 17, 2019, 12:30:10 PM
Air new zealand 11hrs 30min. Auckland to Buenos Aires.
Nope. Lie. Prove it.

Yeah, prove it to Wise.

Please note that you must do this without using any evidence as evidence would show the world is round. You must also fly the route yourself both directions filming non-stop video*. Anything that proves the world is round is a lie and exposes you as a NASA schill.

* Photographic evidence is not admissable as evidence, unless it proves the world is flat.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: rabinoz on July 17, 2019, 01:52:40 PM
It’s ok to ignore his stupid map. Everyone else does.


Only idiots do. This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances basicly. Here everybody is not idiot, oppositely you. If you are sincere the shape of the earth, go do bet.
And I know that the West to East distances measured off the Gleason's map are wrong in Australia.
I know because I live here and have measured many of them.
I've done quite a bit of measurement around Australia and the East-West distances certainly do not agree with the usual North Pole centred map.
All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy « Message by rabinoz on January 16, 2019, 06:31:59 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=79130.msg2135523;topicseen#msg2135523)
And another shorter almost East-West distance:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Just a few weeks back I drove 333 km (on the car oddo) from here to Miles, Queensland, almost due west of here.
The longitude of Miles is about 150.2° E and the longitude here is about 153.0° E, the difference is 2.855° so even the road distance is only 117 km/deg.
But on that usual flat-earth map the straight line distance would be about 174 km/deg or a total of 498 km.

No great accuracy is needed to prove that the Ice-Wall map "makes no sense at all compared to reality".

You do not live here and you have never measured any of them so either justtify your claim that "This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances, basically".

If you cannot do that then admit that your claim is not justified.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: inquisitive on July 17, 2019, 02:04:32 PM
Air new zealand 11hrs 30min. Auckland to Buenos Aires.
Nope. Lie. Prove it.
Who lies, the airline, why don't you contact them?  Do you ever discuss your ideas outside this forum with eg. GPS designers, airlines etc.?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on July 17, 2019, 02:11:41 PM
His second and last post.

Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina. It is approx 5800 miles. How does that work on the flat earth map?
Please don't tell me the ship used jet streams.

I have strongly warned them:

Do you really believe you can do this?  ;D This is really should be a joke, please, come on, tell me that this is a joke. You can never, ever and never achieve this.

If you look our "technical" flat earth map, we'll see that there is more than 20.000 kms. I did not calculate but you can do if you want.If you choose constantly go west, so it takes about 25.000 kms; if you don't lose the path.

I can clearly say thatif you try this, we'll can not talk with you again.

Perhaps, your belief on NASA will cause your die.

One year and 5 months have been passed. He is still not around. What does that mean you think? I think he has been enlighten, but too late!
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 17, 2019, 02:17:41 PM
It’s ok to ignore his stupid map. Everyone else does.

Only idiots do. This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances basicly. Here everybody is not idiot, oppositely you. If you are sincere the shape of the earth, go do bet.
And I know that the West to East distances measured off the Gleason's map are wrong in Australia.
I know because I live here and have measured many of them.
I've done quite a bit of measurement around Australia and the East-West distances certainly do not agree with the usual North Pole centred map.
All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy « Message by rabinoz on January 16, 2019, 06:31:59 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=79130.msg2135523;topicseen#msg2135523)
And another shorter almost East-West distance:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Just a few weeks back I drove 333 km (on the car oddo) from here to Miles, Queensland, almost due west of here.
The longitude of Miles is about 150.2° E and the longitude here is about 153.0° E, the difference is 2.855° so even the road distance is only 117 km/deg.
But on that usual flat-earth map the straight line distance would be about 174 km/deg or a total of 498 km.

No great accuracy is needed to prove that the Ice-Wall map "makes no sense at all compared to reality".

You do not live here and you have never measured any of them so either justtify your claim that "This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances, basically".

If you cannot do that then admit that your claim is not justified.

Neither Google Maps nor any other WGS-84-based mapping system uses Latitude and Longitude to measure distances. See: https://wiki.tfes.org/World_Geodetic_System_1984
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on July 17, 2019, 02:20:18 PM
He has perhaps tried it past summer. I have forgot this thread. Thanks to remind.

Angry globulards have caused an innocent sailor being missing. I hope they have some responsibility and they won't repeat it. They have openly sent him to die, only because they were defending their baseless lies those caused an innocent to missing. Shame on you mister killers.  :'(
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: inquisitive on July 17, 2019, 02:22:49 PM
It’s ok to ignore his stupid map. Everyone else does.

Only idiots do. This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances basicly. Here everybody is not idiot, oppositely you. If you are sincere the shape of the earth, go do bet.
And I know that the West to East distances measured off the Gleason's map are wrong in Australia.
I know because I live here and have measured many of them.
I've done quite a bit of measurement around Australia and the East-West distances certainly do not agree with the usual North Pole centred map.
All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy « Message by rabinoz on January 16, 2019, 06:31:59 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=79130.msg2135523;topicseen#msg2135523)
And another shorter almost East-West distance:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Just a few weeks back I drove 333 km (on the car oddo) from here to Miles, Queensland, almost due west of here.
The longitude of Miles is about 150.2° E and the longitude here is about 153.0° E, the difference is 2.855° so even the road distance is only 117 km/deg.
But on that usual flat-earth map the straight line distance would be about 174 km/deg or a total of 498 km.

No great accuracy is needed to prove that the Ice-Wall map "makes no sense at all compared to reality".

You do not live here and you have never measured any of them so either justtify your claim that "This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances, basically".

If you cannot do that then admit that your claim is not justified.

Neither Google Maps nor any other WGS-84-based mapping system uses Latitude and Longitude to measure distances. See: https://wiki.tfes.org/World_Geodetic_System_1984
If you can provide details of how you would map the earth we might make some progress.  Until then the WGS-84 model is accurate.

Where are the these smaller flat maps?  Mapping in the real world today now uses GPS and WGS-84.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: inquisitive on July 17, 2019, 02:23:44 PM
He has perhaps tried it past summer. I have forgot this thread. Thanks to remind.

Angry globulards have caused an innocent sailor being missing. I hope they have some responsibility and they won't repeat it. They have openly sent him to die, only because they were defending their baseless lies those caused an innocent to missing. Shame on you mister killers.  :'(
Details please.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 17, 2019, 02:27:29 PM
It’s ok to ignore his stupid map. Everyone else does.

Only idiots do. This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances basicly. Here everybody is not idiot, oppositely you. If you are sincere the shape of the earth, go do bet.
And I know that the West to East distances measured off the Gleason's map are wrong in Australia.
I know because I live here and have measured many of them.
I've done quite a bit of measurement around Australia and the East-West distances certainly do not agree with the usual North Pole centred map.
All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy « Message by rabinoz on January 16, 2019, 06:31:59 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=79130.msg2135523;topicseen#msg2135523)
And another shorter almost East-West distance:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Just a few weeks back I drove 333 km (on the car oddo) from here to Miles, Queensland, almost due west of here.
The longitude of Miles is about 150.2° E and the longitude here is about 153.0° E, the difference is 2.855° so even the road distance is only 117 km/deg.
But on that usual flat-earth map the straight line distance would be about 174 km/deg or a total of 498 km.

No great accuracy is needed to prove that the Ice-Wall map "makes no sense at all compared to reality".

You do not live here and you have never measured any of them so either justtify your claim that "This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances, basically".

If you cannot do that then admit that your claim is not justified.

Neither Google Maps nor any other WGS-84-based mapping system uses Latitude and Longitude to measure distances. See: https://wiki.tfes.org/World_Geodetic_System_1984
If you can provide details of how you would map the earth we might make some progress.  Until then the WGS-84 model is accurate.

Where are the these smaller flat maps?  Mapping in the real world today now uses GPS and WGS-84.

WGS-84 uses small flat maps, not a globe. See https://wiki.tfes.org/World_Geodetic_System_1984

You are right, those small flat maps stand as correct. Until you can show a globe model, we can progress.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: sokarul on July 17, 2019, 02:34:47 PM
So they have flat maps of the earth? Why don't you?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Stash on July 17, 2019, 02:48:04 PM
It’s ok to ignore his stupid map. Everyone else does.

Only idiots do. This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances basicly. Here everybody is not idiot, oppositely you. If you are sincere the shape of the earth, go do bet.
And I know that the West to East distances measured off the Gleason's map are wrong in Australia.
I know because I live here and have measured many of them.
I've done quite a bit of measurement around Australia and the East-West distances certainly do not agree with the usual North Pole centred map.
All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy « Message by rabinoz on January 16, 2019, 06:31:59 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=79130.msg2135523;topicseen#msg2135523)
And another shorter almost East-West distance:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Just a few weeks back I drove 333 km (on the car oddo) from here to Miles, Queensland, almost due west of here.
The longitude of Miles is about 150.2° E and the longitude here is about 153.0° E, the difference is 2.855° so even the road distance is only 117 km/deg.
But on that usual flat-earth map the straight line distance would be about 174 km/deg or a total of 498 km.

No great accuracy is needed to prove that the Ice-Wall map "makes no sense at all compared to reality".

You do not live here and you have never measured any of them so either justtify your claim that "This is a type of flat earth map that you can measure distances, basically".

If you cannot do that then admit that your claim is not justified.

Neither Google Maps nor any other WGS-84-based mapping system uses Latitude and Longitude to measure distances. See: https://wiki.tfes.org/World_Geodetic_System_1984

Sure it does. I think the Google Map Developer site may be more authoritative than the TFES wiki when it comes to their map system:

Specifying Locations

The Maps Static API must be able to precisely identify locations on the map, both to focus the map at the correct location (using the center parameter) and/or to place any optional placemarks (using the markers parameter) at locations on the map. The Maps Static API uses numbers (latitude and longitude values) or strings (addresses) to specify these locations. These values identify a geocoded location.

Several parameters (such as the markers and path parameters) take multiple locations. In those cases, the locations are separated by the pipe (|) character.
Latitudes and Longitudes

Latitudes and longitudes are defined using numerals within a comma-separated text string that have a precision to 6 decimal places. For example, "40.714728,-73.998672" is a valid geocode value. Precision beyond the 6 decimal places is ignored.

Longitude values are based on their distance from Greenwich, England, home of the prime meridian. Since Greenwich is situated at 51.477222 latitude, we can enter a center value of 51.477222,0 to center the map on Greenwich:

Greenwich, England

Latitude and longitude values must correspond to a valid location on the face of the earth. Latitudes can take any value between -90 and 90 while longitude values can take any value between -180 and 180. If you specify an invalid latitude or longitude value, your request will be rejected as a bad request.

https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/maps-static/dev-guide
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 17, 2019, 02:51:00 PM
Actually, it says that Latitude and Longitude are not used in Web Mercator (which Google Maps is based on).

https://wiki.tfes.org/World_Geodetic_System_1984

Quote
From the Earth is Not Round! article we read:

  “ Geographic coordinates use latitude and longitude values to define positions on the 3D surface of the earth, which is of course, best modeled as an ellipsoid, not a sphere.

...

Latitude and Longitude are useless for measuring distance and area because the unit of length, degrees, is not held constant for longitude, except along parallels -- individual perfectly east-west lines.

...

Web Mercator's [web based WGS84] significant weakness is that measurements of distance and area in its native coordinates are completely unusable.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Stash on July 17, 2019, 02:58:48 PM
Actually, it says that Latitude and Longitude are not used in Web Mercator (which Google Maps is based on).

https://wiki.tfes.org/World_Geodetic_System_1984

Quote
From the Earth is Not Round! article we read:

  “ Geographic coordinates use latitude and longitude values to define positions on the 3D surface of the earth, which is of course, best modeled as an ellipsoid, not a sphere.

...

Latitude and Longitude are useless for measuring distance and area because the unit of length, degrees, is not held constant for longitude, except along parallels -- individual perfectly east-west lines.

...

Web Mercator's [web based WGS84] significant weakness is that measurements of distance and area in its native coordinates are completely unusable.

Umm, again, I would take Google's idea as to how their map system works over a TFES wiki entry. And if you mean this Mercator projection Google is based on, do you mean this one:

(https://i.imgur.com/Pu2hIL0.png?1)
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 17, 2019, 03:02:17 PM
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Umm, again, I would take Google's idea as to how their map system works over a TFES wiki entry.

The source of the article in question is not a tfes wiki entry. We didn't write those words. The Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center did.

Why should we believe your interpretation of Google maps and how latitude and longitude works and are converted in that system over the Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Stash on July 17, 2019, 03:10:54 PM
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Umm, again, I would take Google's idea as to how their map system works over a TFES wiki entry.

The source of the article in question is not a tfes wiki entry. We didn't write those words. The Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center did.

Why should we believe your interpretation of Google maps and how latitude and longitude works and are converted in that system over the Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center?

Because my 'interpretation' has nothing to do with this. It's directly from Google: "The Maps Static API uses numbers (latitude and longitude values) or strings (addresses) to specify these locations." If you don't like Google's explanation as to how their map system works, take it up with Google.

Additionally the OP is not asking about sailing across Utah.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Lonegranger on July 17, 2019, 03:20:06 PM
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Umm, again, I would take Google's idea as to how their map system works over a TFES wiki entry.

The source of the article in question is not a tfes wiki entry. We didn't write those words. The Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center did.

Why should we believe your interpretation of Google maps and how latitude and longitude works and are converted in that system over the Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center?

 Come on Tom please drop this silly map argument as it’s totally futile. People all over the globe use maps to go from a to b to c....etc, every day of the year 24/7 and no one gets lost. Aircraft, ships cars, people on bikes and people who prefer walking. Before you comment hit your reality filter and think about what happens in real day to day life.

Are the maps of USA wrong?
Are the maps of any country wrong?
Do international flights on a daily basis get lost due to bad maps?
Do ships get lost due to bad maps?

Remember international flights cover most of the globe, as does shipping routes. If there were a problem someone would have noticed.

You may we’ll have a need to disprove current maps, but given they appear to work fine, it looks like you have a huge credibility problem Tom.

If there is a problem with our world maps please point out where these problems are Tom.
Some evidence would be nice.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 17, 2019, 03:23:23 PM
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Umm, again, I would take Google's idea as to how their map system works over a TFES wiki entry.

The source of the article in question is not a tfes wiki entry. We didn't write those words. The Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center did.

Why should we believe your interpretation of Google maps and how latitude and longitude works and are converted in that system over the Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center?

Because my 'interpretation' has nothing to do with this. It's directly from Google: "The Maps Static API uses numbers (latitude and longitude values) or strings (addresses) to specify these locations." If you don't like Google's explanation as to how their map system works, take it up with Google.

Additionally the OP is not asking about sailing across Utah.

According to Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center the latitude and longitude queries are re-projected onto a flat map coordinate system for accurate distances and measurements. It doesn't say that latitude and longitude does not exist in those systems.

How can you show that this process does not exist as stated and described?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Stash on July 17, 2019, 03:27:58 PM
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Umm, again, I would take Google's idea as to how their map system works over a TFES wiki entry.

The source of the article in question is not a tfes wiki entry. We didn't write those words. The Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center did.

Why should we believe your interpretation of Google maps and how latitude and longitude works and are converted in that system over the Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center?

Because my 'interpretation' has nothing to do with this. It's directly from Google: "The Maps Static API uses numbers (latitude and longitude values) or strings (addresses) to specify these locations." If you don't like Google's explanation as to how their map system works, take it up with Google.

Additionally the OP is not asking about sailing across Utah.

According to Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center the latitude and longitude queries are re-projected onto a flat map coordinate system for accurate distances and measurements. It doesn't say that latitude and longitude does not exist in those systems.

How can you show that this process does not exist as stated and described?

The Utah article is referring to "State Plane Maps". State Plane Maps: "By using the Cartesian coordinate system's simple XY coordinates, "plane surveying" methods can be used, speeding up and simplifying calculations. Second, the system is highly accurate within each zone (error less than 1:10,000). Outside a specific state plane zone accuracy rapidly declines, thus the system is not useful for regional or national mapping.

Now how is the OP going to use the Utah State Plane map to sail from New Zealand to Argentina?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 17, 2019, 03:31:35 PM
The Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center is telling us about the systems work, not about Utah.

The quote you provided "Outside a specific state plane zone accuracy rapidly declines, thus the system is not useful for regional or national mapping." appears to come from Wikipedia and does not indicate whether this statement is made 'according to theory'.

Yet the maps used in the system are still flat maps, and not round maps.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Stash on July 17, 2019, 03:46:22 PM
The Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center is telling us about the systems work, not about Utah.

Yes, for US State Plane Coordinate Maps. Not for sailing from New Zealand to Argentina.

The quote you provided "Outside a specific state plane zone accuracy rapidly declines, thus the system is not useful for regional or national mapping." appears to come from Wikipedia and does not indicate whether this statement is made 'according to theory'.

The quote is the the tail end of the same paragraph from wikipedia you have in your wiki - You just left this sentence off: "Outside a specific state plane zone accuracy rapidly declines, thus the system is not useful for regional or national mapping. "

Yet the maps used in the system are still flat maps, and not round maps.

I don't really care whether they are flat, round or pear shaped. They are type of map specific to US States, individually, hence the name. They have nothing to do with navigating the World's oceans.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: rabinoz on July 17, 2019, 03:47:14 PM
Actually, it says that Latitude and Longitude are not used in Web Mercator (which Google Maps is based on).

https://wiki.tfes.org/World_Geodetic_System_1984

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From the Earth is Not Round! article we read:

  “ Geographic coordinates use latitude and longitude values to define positions on the 3D surface of the earth, which is of course, best modeled as an ellipsoid, not a sphere.
...
Latitude and Longitude are useless for measuring distance and area because the unit of length, degrees, is not held constant for longitude, except along parallels -- individual perfectly east-west lines.
...
Web Mercator's [web based WGS84] significant weakness is that measurements of distance and area in its native coordinates are completely unusable.
From simply the latitude and longitude of each location, I can calculate to quite reasonably accuracy the distance between them.

Might I ask how you determine the distance between any two towns on your flat earth?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: rabinoz on July 17, 2019, 03:52:01 PM
The Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center is telling us about the systems work, not about Utah.

The quote you provided "Outside a specific state plane zone accuracy rapidly declines, thus the system is not useful for regional or national mapping." appears to come from Wikipedia and does not indicate whether this statement is made 'according to theory'.

Yet the maps used in the system are still flat maps, and not round maps.
Not quite!
They are flat maps of sections of the Globe and the maximum scale error on those maps depends on the area covered and the projection used.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: sokarul on July 17, 2019, 07:17:30 PM
Speaking of the thread topic. This picture is on the front page of reddit. It’s a map made from shipping logs.

(https://i.redd.it/sscgn3hq1ta31.jpg)

Think any of the logs questioned the distance between South America/Africa and Africa/Australia?

All shipping companies are in on the conspiracy?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 17, 2019, 09:03:35 PM
I would recommend trying to get the logs from southern routes. Sea navigation in the South has historically been a difficult endeavor.

See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Distances_in_the_South
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Stash on July 17, 2019, 09:46:07 PM
I would recommend trying to get the logs from southern routes. Sea navigation in the South has historically been a difficult endeavor.

Considering the most recent citation in your wiki about the treacherous nature of the southern seas is 120 years old, I would agree it would seem a difficult endeavor back then. At least we have GPS and Sat phones and such these days.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 17, 2019, 09:50:25 PM
You mean the GPS system that assumes a Flat Earth?

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog862/book/export/html/1644 we read:

  “ Welcome to Lesson Six of this GPS course. And this time, we'll be talking about two coordinate systems. And I have a little bit of discussion concerning heights. We've touched on that a little bit. Now these coordinate systems that we're going to discuss are plane coordinate systems based upon the fiction that the earth is flat, which, of course, immediately introduces distortion. However, much of GIS work—and GPS work as well—is done based upon this presumption. ”
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 17, 2019, 10:00:56 PM
It appears that we do have ship navigators telling us that travel in the South is difficult, while you have produced zero data from ship navigators in the South which supports your cause.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Stash on July 17, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
You mean the GPS system that assumes a Flat Earth?

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog862/book/export/html/1644 we read:

  “ Welcome to Lesson Six of this GPS course. And this time, we'll be talking about two coordinate systems. And I have a little bit of discussion concerning heights. We've touched on that a little bit. Now these coordinate systems that we're going to discuss are plane coordinate systems based upon the fiction that the earth is flat, which, of course, immediately introduces distortion. However, much of GIS work—and GPS work as well—is done based upon this presumption. ”

The title of the lesson you cite is: "Lesson 6: State Plane Coordinates and Heights"

You can't use the Utah State Plane map to sail from New Zealand to Argentina. Again, State Plane Maps: "By using the Cartesian coordinate system's simple XY coordinates, "plane surveying" methods can be used, speeding up and simplifying calculations. Second, the system is highly accurate within each zone (error less than 1:10,000). Outside a specific state plane zone accuracy rapidly declines, thus the system is not useful for regional or national mapping.

Why do you keep bringing up US State Plane maps when we are talking about navigating in the southern oceans?

Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Stash on July 17, 2019, 10:07:01 PM
It appears that we do have ship navigators telling us that travel in the South is difficult, while you have produced zero data from ship navigators in the South which supports your cause.

What cause are you referring to?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 17, 2019, 10:48:15 PM
You mean the GPS system that assumes a Flat Earth?

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog862/book/export/html/1644 we read:

  “ Welcome to Lesson Six of this GPS course. And this time, we'll be talking about two coordinate systems. And I have a little bit of discussion concerning heights. We've touched on that a little bit. Now these coordinate systems that we're going to discuss are plane coordinate systems based upon the fiction that the earth is flat, which, of course, immediately introduces distortion. However, much of GIS work—and GPS work as well—is done based upon this presumption. ”

The title of the lesson you cite is: "Lesson 6: State Plane Coordinates and Heights"

You can't use the Utah State Plane map to sail from New Zealand to Argentina. Again, State Plane Maps: "By using the Cartesian coordinate system's simple XY coordinates, "plane surveying" methods can be used, speeding up and simplifying calculations. Second, the system is highly accurate within each zone (error less than 1:10,000). Outside a specific state plane zone accuracy rapidly declines, thus the system is not useful for regional or national mapping.

Why do you keep bringing up US State Plane maps when we are talking about navigating in the southern oceans?

You guys have told us on countless occasions that WGS84 is incredibly accurate, down to inches. And now you are pretending that it is inaccurate? What you quoted is in reference to flat maps on a globe theory. You have not identified where it is inaccurate.

GIS systems also have ocean maps, not just state plane maps.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Stash on July 17, 2019, 11:10:18 PM
You mean the GPS system that assumes a Flat Earth?

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog862/book/export/html/1644 we read:

  “ Welcome to Lesson Six of this GPS course. And this time, we'll be talking about two coordinate systems. And I have a little bit of discussion concerning heights. We've touched on that a little bit. Now these coordinate systems that we're going to discuss are plane coordinate systems based upon the fiction that the earth is flat, which, of course, immediately introduces distortion. However, much of GIS work—and GPS work as well—is done based upon this presumption. ”

The title of the lesson you cite is: "Lesson 6: State Plane Coordinates and Heights"

You can't use the Utah State Plane map to sail from New Zealand to Argentina. Again, State Plane Maps: "By using the Cartesian coordinate system's simple XY coordinates, "plane surveying" methods can be used, speeding up and simplifying calculations. Second, the system is highly accurate within each zone (error less than 1:10,000). Outside a specific state plane zone accuracy rapidly declines, thus the system is not useful for regional or national mapping.

Why do you keep bringing up US State Plane maps when we are talking about navigating in the southern oceans?

You guys have told us on countless occasions that WGS84 is incredibly accurate, down to inches. And now you are pretending that it is inaccurate? What you quoted is in reference to flat maps on a globe theory. You have not identified where it is inaccurate.

GIS systems also have ocean maps, not just state plane maps.

It has nothing to do with the accuracy of the underlying datum, WGS or otherwise, it's all about the projection and limiting distortion when projecting a sphere onto a flat surface.

From ArcGIS:

Transverse Mercator - Uses and applications:

State Plane Coordinate System, used for zones that are predominantly north–south.

Limitations:

Data on a spheroid or an ellipsoid cannot be projected beyond 90° from the central meridian. In fact, the extent on a spheroid or ellipsoid should be limited to 12–15° on both sides of the central meridian. Beyond that range, data projected to the Transverse Mercator projection may not project back to the same position. Data on a sphere does not have these limitations.

http://desktop.arcgis.com/en/arcmap/10.3/guide-books/map-projections/transverse-mercator.htm

From the same State Plane lesson plan you cited previously:

"State Plane Coordinates rely on an imaginary flat reference surface with Cartesian axes. They describe measured positions by ordered pairs, expressed in northings and eastings, or x- and y- coordinates. Despite the fact that the assumption of a flat Earth is fundamentally wrong, calculation of areas, angles and lengths using latitude and longitude can be complicated, so plane coordinates persist. Therefore, the projection of points from the Earth’s surface onto a reference ellipsoid and finally onto flat maps is still viable.

Again, why are we still talking about US State Plane Coordinate Maps?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: rabinoz on July 18, 2019, 12:59:42 AM
I would recommend trying to get the logs from southern routes. Sea navigation in the South has historically been a difficult endeavor.

See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Distances_in_the_South
Are you joking? Have you nothing more recent than 1892?

And that "Distances_in_the_South" Wiki entry seems only relevant to the Ice-Wall map but I thought that you supported the BiPolar map.

Do you swap your maps to suit the topic?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: inquisitive on July 18, 2019, 01:09:38 AM
You mean the GPS system that assumes a Flat Earth?

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog862/book/export/html/1644 we read:

  “ Welcome to Lesson Six of this GPS course. And this time, we'll be talking about two coordinate systems. And I have a little bit of discussion concerning heights. We've touched on that a little bit. Now these coordinate systems that we're going to discuss are plane coordinate systems based upon the fiction that the earth is flat, which, of course, immediately introduces distortion. However, much of GIS work—and GPS work as well—is done based upon this presumption. ”

The title of the lesson you cite is: "Lesson 6: State Plane Coordinates and Heights"

You can't use the Utah State Plane map to sail from New Zealand to Argentina. Again, State Plane Maps: "By using the Cartesian coordinate system's simple XY coordinates, "plane surveying" methods can be used, speeding up and simplifying calculations. Second, the system is highly accurate within each zone (error less than 1:10,000). Outside a specific state plane zone accuracy rapidly declines, thus the system is not useful for regional or national mapping.

Why do you keep bringing up US State Plane maps when we are talking about navigating in the southern oceans?

You guys have told us on countless occasions that WGS84 is incredibly accurate, down to inches. And now you are pretending that it is inaccurate? What you quoted is in reference to flat maps on a globe theory. You have not identified where it is inaccurate.

GIS systems also have ocean maps, not just state plane maps.
What is difficult to understand, some might think you are failing to understand on purpose to persue some strange ideaology?  Or is the topic too complex for you?

We are still waiting for your proposals on how to measure the size and shape of the earth.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on July 18, 2019, 01:44:08 AM
He has perhaps tried it past summer. I have forgot this thread. Thanks to remind.

Angry globulards have caused an innocent sailor being missing. I hope they have some responsibility and they won't repeat it. They have openly sent him to die, only because they were defending their baseless lies those caused an innocent to missing. Shame on you mister killers.  :'(
Details please.

All details are above. You just don't want to see the truth.

He said he will sail.

Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina. It is approx 5800 miles.

He perhaps planned his kit for 9k kms.
I have warned him the path is longer than him estimated.

If you look our "technical" flat earth map, we'll see that there is more than 20.000 kms...
I can clearly say thatif you try this, we'll can not talk with you again...
Perhaps, your belief on NASA will cause your die...

This is a human life. Human life isn't a joke. But unfortunately people has dealed with me, instead of trying to convince him to give up the decision.

LIST OF KILLERS:

1- sokarul:

It’s ok to ignore his stupid map. Everyone else does.

2- Microbeta (Mike)

There are cruises from Australia to South America. 
...
The Brotherhood’s map is all wrong.
Mike

The earth still is flat. But your claim may kill him. I know I know, it is not important him live or dead, thats the important thing for you only prove the earth is round. But if you are wrong and if he will die, will not you  feel remorse? Do not you have a heart? What kind of a cruel, brutal, monster man are you?


I am not killing anyone for having an opinion so I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Mike

Mike, do you still think you have not killed him?

3- Frenat

Or your map is wrong.  Since you just ignored flights that don't fit and you didn't bother to see if anything works better with a shape other than flat you've clearly shown your bias.

4- inquisitive

Air new zealand 11hrs 30min. Auckland to Buenos Aires.

Rabinoz and Jackblack never talked about it at that time. they probably felt the danger. but unfortunately the others acted irresponsibly. a member may have come here to deceive or manipulate other people. the purpose may be to mock or to do the task. however, since this was the case in human life, different things could be done without disrupting the task.

for example, you could do this without opposing your own thesis by this way:

a) There are pirates between New Zealand and Argentina. Don't do that.
b) There are big storms in the Pacific that cannot be predicted.
c) The magnetic deflection angle reaches the limit values ​​in the Pacific. You're more likely to lose direction. So, you better not go. but if you're going to go, you have to prepare for 30,000 kilometers.

unfortunately, the four members in this example encouraged him by attacking me instead of helping me to make him give up the adventurer just because they were going to argue against plain world theory. I hope it's good, but even if it's good, it's very likely that it's lost somewhere and stranded on an uninhabited and unknown island. this is the one of the most positive scenario about him not dying.

Now you mock again, you will blame me again. Will this bring him back?
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: rabinoz on July 18, 2019, 03:01:46 AM
He has perhaps tried it past summer. I have forgot this thread. Thanks to remind.

Angry globulards have caused an innocent sailor being missing. I hope they have some responsibility and they won't repeat it. They have openly sent him to die, only because they were defending their baseless lies those caused an innocent to missing. Shame on you mister killers.  :'(
Details please.

All details are above. You just don't want to see the truth.

He said he will sail.

Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina. It is approx 5800 miles.
Stop being totally ridiculous!

Newzealander did not ever say that "he will sail". Stop this changing of the words that others write!

Read the OP again!
Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina. It is approx 5800 miles.
All Newzealander said was "I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina".

Surely you realise that "can sail" does not mean the same thing as "will sail"?

So all this silly story that you have fabricated is based on your false claim that "he will sail".
And all you accusations that "Angry globulards have caused an innocent sailor being missing" are also simply from you own imagination.

I could excuse your simply misunderstanding English but you should not make such dreadful accusations based on you own ignorance.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on July 18, 2019, 03:08:05 AM
Surely you realise that "can sail" does not mean the same thing as "will sail"?

Stop acting like a child. when a human says "I can", it sometime means "I will". In this example it mostly has the meaning of I will and I have wrote it above, when he said this. why would he give such an example 5800 miles without rhyme or reason? It is clear that he has planned it so looked at the distance. You know this really means that. And that's why you never spoke. But now you're protecting these killers, because protecting them is part of your job. Shame on you.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: sokarul on July 18, 2019, 03:42:50 AM
I would recommend trying to get the logs from southern routes. Sea navigation in the South has historically been a difficult endeavor.

See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Distances_in_the_South

Um... that image used Southern route logs.

Also, I debunked the info in the link 10 years ago.

And to add further, your link uses latitude and longitude to calculate distance, which you are screaming people can’t do. Plus it uses longitude in the south which is different from the north, in FE.  Another failure.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: rabinoz on July 18, 2019, 04:08:31 AM
Surely you realise that "can sail" does not mean the same thing as "will sail"?

When a human says "I can", it sometime means "I will".
No!
"I can do something" means "I am able to do something" but "I will do something" means "I intend to do something (in the future)".

Read this!
Quote from: Shannon Waller Forbes Councils Member
Do You Know The Difference Between 'Can,' 'Want' And 'Will?' (https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbescoachescouncil/2018/11/15/do-you-know-the-difference-between-can-want-and-will/#7adc4fa45c83)
There’s a difference between "can," "want" and "will." These three words might sound interchangeable, but they have very different meanings in terms of intent or commitment.

Getting Clear On What You Can Expect
“Can” is a statement of capability, of having the knowledge or ability needed to do something. When people say “can,” they’re reflecting on what they think they’re capable of, what they’ve learned and their intellectual capacity to do the task.

“Want” is a statement of desire, nothing more, nothing less.

“Will” is a statement of commitment and action.

I do believe that I know far more about the meanings of English words and phrases than you.

Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on July 18, 2019, 04:15:10 AM
You are claiming your knowing English better than me, but you did not prove it till that time. You are a man using is instead of are. If it was relly so, even so you are hiding the truth.

Your post has nothing to do with topic, but you see boydster is online then started to talk off the topic. I am replying you now then did you make an agreement with boydster to intervene when I reply you?

your tricks cannot cover the fact that you have sent that sailor to death. You and yous crime partners are guilty.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: rabinoz on July 18, 2019, 05:00:03 AM
You are claiming your knowing English better than me, but you did not prove it till that time. You are a man using is instead of are. If it was relly so, even so you are hiding the truth.
I may have mistyped something but please point out where I used "is" instead of "are"!

I am hiding no truth thank you,  Mr Wise! But you are claiming that newzealander said something he did not say.

Yes, I know far more about the English language than you so read this again:
"I can do something" means "I am able to do something" but "I will do something" means "I intend to do something (in the future)".
They are quite different meanings.

Whatever silly things you might say, newzealander did not ever say that "he will sail". This is what he said:
Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina. It is approx 5800 miles.
Newzealander did not ever say that "he will sail". Stop this changing of the words that others write!

Quote from: wise
Your post has nothing to do with topic,
My post have everything to with the silly and quite false accusations that you are making and continue to make!

Quote from: wise
but you see boydster is online then started to talk off the topic. I am replying you now then did you make an agreement with boydster to intervene when I reply you?
Don't be stupid! I have no idea who is or is not online! Who cares?

Quote from: wise
your tricks cannot cover the fact that you have sent that sailor to death. You and yous crime partners are guilty.
Again nobody here sent any "sailor to death"! That is only a silly story you made up by saying that newzealander said something he clearly did not say!
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on July 18, 2019, 05:14:44 AM
Again nobody here sent any "sailor to death"! That is only a silly story you made up by saying that newzealander said something he clearly did not say!
No, mister. You are clearly saying lie. In this sentence; "Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina", Okay means an exact decision about the following sentence. It is not about English, it is about general human behaviour. Its like a man decided something, slams his fist on the table, and yelled "okay! thus far! that's that!". This is exactly that behaviour and shows a man decided he will do that.

I'm sure you understood that. anyone who has enough life experience can understand it. he asked us how far this distance was in the flat earth map. His aim here was to prove that the world was not flat after traveling because of his final decision. it was clearly seen from the way it was written. it is because you are not wise enough if you cannot see it. then do not walk around here as "rabinoz".
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: rabinoz on July 18, 2019, 05:49:52 AM
Again nobody here sent any "sailor to death"! That is only a silly story you made up by saying that newzealander said something he clearly did not say!
No, mister. You are clearly saying lie. In this sentence; "Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina". Okay means an exact decision about the following sentence.
No, it does not mean anything of the sort and there is never any indication that newzealander ever left New Zealand to sail to Argentina.

Quote from: wise
It is not about English, it is about general human behaviour. Its like a man decided something, slams his fist on the table, and yelled "okay! thus far! that's that!". This is exactly that behaviour and shows a man decided he will do that.
It is everything about English and what English words mean - get used to the fact that you do not know everything!

You are simply imagining things that have not been said! New Zealander simply says this:
Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina.
Nothing more!

So stop making up fairy tales and stop accusing me of lying, thank you, Mr Wise! I am NOT lying and I am telling you exactly what I believe is the truth - get used to it!

Quote from: wise
I'm sure you understood that. anyone who has enough life experience can understand it. he asked us how far this distance was in the flat earth map. His aim here was to prove that the world was not flat after traveling because of his final decision. it was clearly seen from the way it was written. it is because you are not wise enough if you cannot see it. then do not walk around here as "rabinoz".
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on July 18, 2019, 06:03:16 AM
Again nobody here sent any "sailor to death"! That is only a silly story you made up by saying that newzealander said something he clearly did not say!
No, mister. You are clearly saying lie. In this sentence; "Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina". Okay means an exact decision about the following sentence.
No, it does not mean anything of the sort and there is never any indication that newzealander ever left New Zealand to sail to Argentina.

Quote from: wise
It is not about English, it is about general human behaviour. Its like a man decided something, slams his fist on the table, and yelled "okay! thus far! that's that!". This is exactly that behaviour and shows a man decided he will do that.
It is everything about English and what English words mean - get used to the fact that you do not know everything!

You are simply imagining things that have not been said! New Zealander simply says this:
Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina.
Nothing more!

So stop making up fairy tales and stop accusing me of lying, thank you, Mr Wise! I am NOT lying and I am telling you exactly what I believe is the truth - get used to it!

Quote from: wise
I'm sure you understood that. anyone who has enough life experience can understand it. he asked us how far this distance was in the flat earth map. His aim here was to prove that the world was not flat after traveling because of his final decision. it was clearly seen from the way it was written. it is because you are not wise enough if you cannot see it. then do not walk around here as "rabinoz".

I have striked through your lies and nothing has been remained. As I said, it is clear from this sentence that he will do it. The phrase "ok" used at the beginning of the sentence is proof that it is said in response to something.

Again, it means, "okay! thus far! that's that!". there is no need to discuss this with you. obviously you won't understand. Even if you understand, you will pretend not to.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: Stash on July 18, 2019, 09:12:40 AM
Again nobody here sent any "sailor to death"! That is only a silly story you made up by saying that newzealander said something he clearly did not say!
No, mister. You are clearly saying lie. In this sentence; "Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina". Okay means an exact decision about the following sentence.
No, it does not mean anything of the sort and there is never any indication that newzealander ever left New Zealand to sail to Argentina.

Quote from: wise
It is not about English, it is about general human behaviour. Its like a man decided something, slams his fist on the table, and yelled "okay! thus far! that's that!". This is exactly that behaviour and shows a man decided he will do that.
It is everything about English and what English words mean - get used to the fact that you do not know everything!

You are simply imagining things that have not been said! New Zealander simply says this:
Ok, I can sail from New Zealand to Argentina.
Nothing more!

So stop making up fairy tales and stop accusing me of lying, thank you, Mr Wise! I am NOT lying and I am telling you exactly what I believe is the truth - get used to it!

Quote from: wise
I'm sure you understood that. anyone who has enough life experience can understand it. he asked us how far this distance was in the flat earth map. His aim here was to prove that the world was not flat after traveling because of his final decision. it was clearly seen from the way it was written. it is because you are not wise enough if you cannot see it. then do not walk around here as "rabinoz".

I have striked through your lies and nothing has been remained. As I said, it is clear from this sentence that he will do it. The phrase "ok" used at the beginning of the sentence is proof that it is said in response to something.

Again, it means, "okay! thus far! that's that!". there is no need to discuss this with you. obviously you won't understand. Even if you understand, you will pretend not to.

Wise, your command of the English language, though commendable, is incorrect in this context. I think you should take Rab's word for it considering English is his first language. Much like if you wrote something in Turkish I would defer to you as to how you meant something.

The topic of this thread is not "English Grammar and it's Usage"
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: wise on July 18, 2019, 01:54:32 PM
I  clearly saw he meant he will sail, I told he will sail, I have tried to stop him. But unfortunately you globulards have killed him. I see this, I say this. I don't interest with your games.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: rabinoz on July 18, 2019, 03:52:32 PM
I  clearly saw he meant he will sail, I told he will sail, I have tried to stop him. But unfortunately you globulards have killed him. I see this, I say this. I don't interest with your games.
He did not say that he will sail! He said that he was able to sail!

And I am totally sick of your false accusations that you continually make - YOU have no evidence that newzealander even sailed and less still that anything happened to him.
Just as you've made totally false insinuations that QANTAS has killed millions of people!

Just learn to face the truth for once in your life.
Title: Re: Sailing from New Zealand to Argentina
Post by: boydster on July 18, 2019, 05:10:04 PM
If you guys would like to debate the English language, take it to another thread. If you would like to continue assuming you know exactly what happened to someone who is not here to affirm anything, take it to CN. Wise, if you think he's dead, add him to your list of missing people and carry on the conversation there.

If you actually have something you'd like to debate about sailing from NZ to Argentina, this is the place to do it, so stop derailing and get on with it already.