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Title: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 07, 2018, 07:39:43 PM
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What are your expectations for Anon Metal Phase 6?

I'm expecting to start seeing arrests.

Well, here we are.

Turns out I was right. It's been quite a ride but it seems like your whole house of cards is falling. That's what happens when you build on broken footings.

I can't say I'm not pleased. Say what you like about Trump he is draining the swamp with our help.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 07, 2018, 07:41:37 PM
Oh, is it that time of the month already?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 07, 2018, 07:45:47 PM
Oh, is it that time of the month already?

Mysogonist.

I warned you all about fisa abuses and unconstitutional use of section 702.

I wonder why you don't care, unless it's your job to push a narrative?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 07, 2018, 07:45:58 PM
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What are your expectations for Anon Metal Phase 6?

I'm expecting to start seeing arrests.

Well, here we are.

Turns out I was right. It's been quite a ride but it seems like your whole house of cards is falling. That's what happens when you build on broken footings.

I can't say I'm not pleased. Say what you like about Trump he is draining the swamp with our help.

LOL,  so far it's only Trump Campaign officials who have been arrested.  So your record for being disconnected from reality remains intact.

Oh, welcome back,  the opposition has been pretty lame since you got yourself zapped.   
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 07, 2018, 07:47:24 PM
Oh, is it that time of the month already?

Mysogonist.

Wtf do werewolves have to do with women?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 07, 2018, 07:49:42 PM
Oh, is it that time of the month already?

Mysogonist.

Wtf do werewolves have to do with women?

Oh, trying to slide the thread. Certainly seems like you want to push a narrative, without touching any evidence.

Soon, Rayzor.

The memo revealed the following:

In order to conduct surveillance, a FISA application comes from the FISC, to be approved and acted by the DOJ and FBI. The Carter Page application left out certain information in order for it to be approved which is a criminal act. The things which were left out also point to criminal actions on part of those involved:

The fact that the Steele dossier was paid for by the DNC and Clinton through Fusion GPS and Perkin Coie.

The fact that Steele was working with an unnamed person, and was also paid for by the FBI.

The fact that Steele provided the information for a Yahoo article which was used as evidence, under the direction of Fusion and Perkins, controlled by the DNC/Clinton.

Steele should have been terminated as a source for his media contact, but concealed and lied to the FBI about it.

The fact that Steele was proven biased against Trump in a recording.

The fact that Steele was close with the DOJ even after being terminated from the FBI as a source.

Deputy director McCabe testified that no surveillance warrant would have been sought without the Steele dossier.

The application also lies about a Trump campaign advisor conspiring with Carter Page, where there is no evidence.

FBI agent Pete Strzok who had investigated the supposed conspiracy, and FBI attorney Lisa Page (unrelated to Carter Page) had conspired through texts to leak information to the media and discussed meeting with McCabe to discuss a "insurance" policy against President Trump's election

If you are being paid to post here, Treason charges apply to you. The first amendment does not apply in cases of Treason. Ask yourself if you think what you're doing is worth dying for.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 07, 2018, 07:53:09 PM
Oh, is it that time of the month already?

Mysogonist.

Wtf do werewolves have to do with women?

Oh, trying to slide the thread. Certainly seems like you want to push a narrative, without touching any evidence.

Soon, Rayzor.

The memo revealed the following:

In order to conduct surveillance, a FISA application comes from the FISC, to be approved and acted by the DOJ and FBI. The Carter Page application left out certain information in order for it to be approved which is a criminal act. The things which were left out also point to criminal actions on part of those involved:

The fact that the Steele dossier was paid for by the DNC and Clinton through Fusion GPS and Perkin Coie.

The fact that Steele was working with an unnamed person, and was also paid for by the FBI.

The fact that Steele provided the information for a Yahoo article which was used as evidence, under the direction of Fusion and Perkins, controlled by the DNC/Clinton.

Steele should have been terminated as a source for his media contact, but concealed and lied to the FBI about it.

The fact that Steele was proven biased against Trump in a recording.

The fact that Steele was close with the DOJ even after being terminated from the FBI as a source.

Deputy director McCabe testified that no surveillance warrant would have been sought without the Steele dossier.

The application also lies about a Trump campaign advisor conspiring with Carter Page, where there is no evidence.

FBI agent Pete Strzok who had investigated the supposed conspiracy, and FBI attorney Lisa Page (unrelated to Carter Page) had conspired through texts to leak information to the media and discussed meeting with McCabe to discuss a "insurance" policy against President Trump's election

If you are being paid to post here, Treason charges apply to you. The first amendment does not apply in cases of Treason. Ask yourself if you think what you're doing is worth dying for.

So, you don't know that Carter Page is a double agent,  I thought your sources were better than that.

Also you forgot about Papadopoulos.   All your talking points are straight from that nutcase Hannity.    Get a new, more reliable source,  like a functioning brain.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 07, 2018, 07:56:25 PM
So, you don't know that Carter Page is a double agent,  I thought your sources were better than that.

Also you forgot about Papadopoulos.   All your talking points are straight from that nutcase Hannity.    Get a new, more reliable source,  like a functioning brain.

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So you agree the Memo is factually accurate? Good, all you have is gaslighting and trying to poison the well. Imagine my shock.

Hannity gets his information from us, not the other way around.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 07, 2018, 07:58:16 PM
If you are being paid to post here, Treason charges apply to you. The first amendment does not apply in cases of Treason. Ask yourself if you think what you're doing is worth dying for.

ruh roh. Please don't send the renowned assassin, 4chins, to kill me! I clapped, I swear!
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 07, 2018, 07:59:16 PM
Is that an admission of trying to subvert the US democracy? Sounded like it. You will be pardoned of you come forward.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 07, 2018, 08:00:47 PM
Is that an admission of trying to subvert the US democracy? Sounded like it. You will be pardoned of you come forward.

Come forward where? To the secret anon base? I'll need an address.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 07, 2018, 08:03:06 PM
Come forward where?

To the good men and women left in your intelligence agencies.

The thread topic is the released memos.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 07, 2018, 08:06:23 PM
Is that an admission of trying to subvert the US democracy? Sounded like it. You will be pardoned of you come forward.

Come forward where? To the secret anon base? I'll need an address.

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

Meeting tonight in the shrubbery,   Order of the Knights of Ni.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 07, 2018, 08:08:06 PM
Is that an admission of trying to subvert the US democracy? Sounded like it. You will be pardoned of you come forward.

Come forward where? To the secret anon base? I'll need an address.

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

Meeting tonight in the shrubbery,   Order of the Knights of Ni.

Oh, trying to slide the thread. Certainly seems like you want to push a narrative, without touching any evidence.

I am so very surprised.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 07, 2018, 08:08:24 PM
Is that an admission of trying to subvert the US democracy? Sounded like it. You will be pardoned of you come forward.

Come forward where? To the secret anon base? I'll need an address.

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

Meeting tonight in the shrubbery,   Order of the Knights of Ni.

Agent Spice!!?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 07, 2018, 08:09:35 PM
the opposition has been pretty lame since you got yourself zapped.

That also seems like an admission of guilt.

Seems like.

Agent Spice!!?

Oh, trying to slide the thread. Certainly seems like you want to push a narrative, without touching any evidence.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 07, 2018, 08:09:37 PM
Come forward where?

To the good men and women left in your intelligence agencies.

The thread topic is the released memos.

So have you got a copy of the Democrat rebuttal memo yet?

Or are you prepared to take the words of Paul Ryan and Trey Gowdy that the memo had nothing to do with Mueller's investigation,  or that Devious Nunes said on Fox that the Steele Dossier was not what started the investigation.

Will the Anons allow Trump to release the Democrat memo? 
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 07, 2018, 08:10:45 PM
Is that an admission of trying to subvert the US democracy? Sounded like it. You will be pardoned of you come forward.

Come forward where? To the secret anon base? I'll need an address.

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

Meeting tonight in the shrubbery,   Order of the Knights of Ni.

Agent Spice!!?

Shhh..   9:00,  password is "Vincent was a terrorist"
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 07, 2018, 08:11:31 PM
Please keep this thread on topic. The topic is the released memo.

You are incriminating the moderators who allow this abhorrent shilling.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 07, 2018, 08:12:21 PM
Anywho... it's nice to see you too d1. Have fun with your little 4chan games.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 07, 2018, 08:12:25 PM
Will the Anons allow Trump to release the Democrat memo?

We've always wanted transparency.

Well, toodlepip shills, talk soon.

Anywho... it's nice to see you too d1. Have fun with your little 4chan games.

Please keep this thread on topic. The topic is the released memo.

You are incriminating the moderators who allow this abhorrent shilling.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 07, 2018, 08:12:42 PM
Please keep this thread on topic. The topic is the released memo.

You are incriminating the moderators who allow this abhorrent shilling.

Sorry,  I'll behave.  What was the memo about?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 07, 2018, 08:41:54 PM
Dispute!!! Welcome back!!!
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 07, 2018, 08:43:49 PM
Dispute!!! Welcome back!!!

Hey mate I missed you.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 07, 2018, 08:57:40 PM
Hopefully space cowpoke can keep her hand off the ban button. She has so far with legba

There are some threads in this area you might find interesting
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 07, 2018, 11:42:44 PM
Yo dispute, already back from 8chan?

I should add you to my defeated list, since, well, I have defeated you multiple times.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 07, 2018, 11:54:52 PM
Yo dispute, already back from 8chan?

I should add you to my defeated list, since, well, I have defeated you multiple times.

You have literally defeated not a single person a single time on this forum ( I feel I can put a strong G on the fact that you have defeated no one ever in any situation).

I would say the only person you have ever defeated was yourself... however, you were born that way, so it really doesn't count since it was a freebie.

Have you seen the dunning-kruger chart for people like yourself?? God bless your special little soul.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 07, 2018, 11:58:49 PM
Whenever I see some one (repeatedly) mention the dunning kruger effect, I assume he has read 'Psychology for retards - how to sound smart without understanding anything'.


#DefeatedOnceAgain


Also, I just wanted to show my new sig to dispute. He better likes it, I then may not add him to the list.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 08, 2018, 12:19:28 AM
Whenever I see some one (repeatedly) mention the dunning kruger effect, I assume he has read 'Psychology for retards - how to sound smart without understanding anything'.


#DefeatedOnceAgain

So the dunning-kruger study, something that received praise from many different sectors of cognitive study (including psychology, I believe it is in some of the "101" books..because it is accurate) is retarded...I bet you know better right?

Lol, you really are a like light for the study... Exhibiting every behavioral trait they predicted as well as observed with their dumbest, delusional subjects. I would call the study dumb too if I were you lol.

This is sad though, but Illuminating....I now know how you come to your conclusion of "defeating" people...you simply post something. Such a simple task is your view of defeat.

Though I suppose something as simple as eating under ones own ability, bathing without assistance, putting a round brick in a round hole is certainly a victory for one whom is mentally deficient/damaged.

So you know...good job user324...you made a post by yourself. You do win, now go tell your mother what you did...you might even get some chocolate.

Putz
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 12:24:35 AM
Yo dispute, already back from 4chan?

I should add you to my defeated list, since, well, I have defeated you multiple times.

Sup little brother, I missed you too.

You know I started that "defeater of" right? When Jack Black TKO'd Sandokhan?

I'm also not so easily trolled.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 08, 2018, 12:54:08 AM
So the dunning-kruger study, something that received praise from many different sectors of cognitive study (including psychology, I believe it is in some of the "101" books..because it is accurate) is retarded...I bet you know better right?

Lol, you really are a like light for the study... Exhibiting every behavioral trait they predicted as well as observed with their dumbest, delusional subjects. I would call the study dumb too if I were you lol.
Where did I say the dunning kruger effect was dumb or wrong?
Learn to read. Perhaps buy the book 'reading and understanding for dummies'.


You do win
Thank you for confirming, although I already knew.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 08, 2018, 12:56:31 AM
You know I started that "defeater of" right? When Jack Black TKO'd Sandokhan?
So, you said Jack should put it in his sig? Lol, awesome  ;D

I'm also not so easily trolled.
I know. I think you and BHS are kind of similar in a lot of ways, but unlike you he does never understand irony/sarcasm/trolling... which makes it even funnier  ;)

Sup little brother, I missed you too.
So this time don't go full angry ranting mode, okay? Else the corrupt moderation will ban you again...

Edit: THIS IS MY 3333rd POST. BOW YOUR HEADS, FAGS!
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 08, 2018, 01:06:47 AM
So, you said Jack should put it in his sig? Lol, awesome 

I am pretty sure he made it, I think.

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I know. I think you and BHS are kind of similar in a lot of ways, but unlike you he does never understand irony/sarcasm/trolling... which makes it even funnier  ;)

Say something clever then...instead of insults and attempted "witty" low blows. That is what started all this...

Mix that with your constant attempts of trolling and not adding a single ounce of actual content to any thread magnifies the issue.

Thank you for confirming, although I already knew.

Ummm...if you consider winning what a mentality deficient child would win a "victory" for you...I think you say it all right there, saves me the verbage.

As for what? I dunno, chocolate like I said...if your mom will give it to you that is.

Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 01:10:46 AM
You know I started that "defeater of" right? When Jack Black TKO'd Sandokhan?
So, you said Jack should put it in his sig? Lol, awesome  ;D

I'm also not so easily trolled.
I know. I think you and BHS are kind of similar in a lot of ways, but unlike you he does never understand irony/sarcasm/trolling... which makes it even funnier  ;)

Sup little brother, I missed you too.
So this time don't go full angry ranting mode, okay? Else the corrupt moderation will ban you again...

Edit: THIS IS MY 3333rd POST. BOW YOUR HEADS, FAGS!

Checked and I'll try to behave.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 08, 2018, 01:18:59 AM
Say something clever then...instead of insults and attempted "witty" low blows. That is what started all this...
Why'd I say something clever, you couldn't understand it anyway (also: check the evolution thread from which you run away).
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 08, 2018, 01:29:30 AM
Why'd I say something clever, you couldn't understand it anyway

Cool, copy what I say... however, in a low brow simpleton approach. Don't know if the fact you can't think of something on your own is worse, or the fact you can't even copy me correctly.

Go get your chocolate (if she allows it)

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(also: check the evolution thread from which you run away).

People stopped posting in it...all you had was copy pasta that made no sense to the subject matter at hand.

Clearly you copied something out of something that said "evolution" at the top of the page, found text that sounded complicated, copied and pasted it.

Funny thing is, it said nothing (you would have to be able to comprehend and extrapolate the text to know this..I imagine to a baboon it would sound like rocket science)..even people supporting evolution called you out on this.


See what I mean...I don't even have to "try" and defeat you...just do it yourself, I just have to sit back and watch.

Now, go get your chocolate.

Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 08, 2018, 01:37:02 AM
People stopped posting in it...
Because you stopped posting in it, which means there was no longer any opposition.

all you had was copy pasta that made no sense to the subject matter at hand.
There was no copy pasta posted.

Clearly you copied something out of something that said "evolution" at the top of the page, found text that sounded complicated, copied and pasted it.
Just because you were not capable of understand it doesn't mean I didn't write it. It only means you were not capable of understanding it; nothing more.

Funny thing is, it said nothing (you would have to be able to comprehend and extrapolate the text to know this..I imagine to a baboon it would sound like rocket science)..even people supporting evolution called you out on this.
For saying nothing, it said quite a lot.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 08, 2018, 01:37:43 AM
Is that an admission of trying to subvert the US democracy? Sounded like it. You will be pardoned of you come forward.

Come forward where? To the secret anon base? I'll need an address.

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

Meeting tonight in the shrubbery,   Order of the Knights of Ni.
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Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 08, 2018, 01:40:33 AM
Come forward where?

To the good men and women left in your intelligence agencies.

How should we know the good men and women from the bad men and women?   Will the good ones be wearing Guy Fawkes masks?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 01:42:19 AM
How should we know the good men and women from the bad men and women?   

Your heart.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 08, 2018, 01:45:23 AM
How should we know the good men and women from the bad men and women?   

Your heart.
But my heart only pumps blood? How did you upgrade it?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 08, 2018, 01:49:43 AM

There was no copy pasta posted.

Lying through your teeth...I am not the only one that called you out on it. Even false prophet did, and he doesn't like me what so ever, so you know it was obvious at that point.

It was beyond blatantly obvious (you probably wouldn't have caught it, but I have an entire thread explaining why that is)..other than copy pasta babble that said nothing, you did not add to that thread. You attempted at the beginning, then went to copy pasta when you had nothing to say.

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Just because you were not capable of understand it doesn't mean I didn't write it. It only means you were not capable of understanding it; nothing more.

It's because I did understand it is the reason I called you out for your rubbish. See above.

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For saying nothing, it said quite a lot.

Uh sure...

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That said quite alot too, but had zero substance
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 08, 2018, 02:08:19 AM
How should we know the good men and women from the bad men and women?   

Your heart.
What about it?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 08, 2018, 02:12:49 AM
Lying through your teeth...I am not the only one that called you out on it. Even false prophet did, and he doesn't like me what so ever, so you know it was obvious at that point.

It was beyond blatantly obvious (you probably wouldn't have caught it, but I have an entire thread explaining why that is)..other than copy pasta babble that said nothing, you did not add to that thread. You attempted at the beginning, then went to copy pasta when you had nothing to say.
How comes it's so hard for you to accept it wasn't copy pasta?
Which thread of you explaining it are you talking about?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 02:24:25 AM
Jimmy was that really worth typing?
Do you have anything on topic to add?

User this is an example of some of the mass mind control. You can see it's effectiveness. We no longer trust our hearts, we trust what is on our televisions.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 08, 2018, 02:27:43 AM
Jimmy was that really worth typing?
Do you have anything on topic to add?

User this is an example of some of the mass mind control. You can see it's effectiveness. We no longer trust our hearts, we trust what is on our televisions.
Well, I'm pretty sure my heart pumps blood and it's not just the tv saying this.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 02:31:36 AM
Your heart does indeed pump blood, it would also be true whether or not your television said so.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 08, 2018, 02:54:02 AM
Jimmy was that really worth typing?
You gave an inane and essentially meaningless answer to my question.  I was trying to clarify, and perhaps draw you out into a more substantive answer.  A vain hope it seems.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 08, 2018, 03:05:45 AM
Jimmy was that really worth typing?
You gave an inane and essentially meaningless answer to my question.  I was trying to clarify, and perhaps draw you out into a more substantive answer.  A vain hope it seems.

I tried asking about the memo, but he ignored me.   Meaningless and inane seems appropriate description when it comes to d1.

So come on back d1, tell us about the Nunes Memo.

I still don't think you knew Carter Page is a double agent.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 08, 2018, 03:08:16 AM
Your heart does indeed pump blood, it would also be true whether or not your television said so.
But why should I trust my blood pump for making decisions? That seems kinda stupid :/
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 03:31:59 AM
Jimmy was that really worth typing?
>Snipped gaslighting.

You knew very well what I meant. I wonder why you would try and gaslight and distract from the topic of this thread.

Do you care, even in the slightest your government is using it's post 9/11 police state powers to unconstitutionally spy on citizens and illegally influence elections?

Do you care even a little bit?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 03:35:25 AM
Jimmy was that really worth typing?
You gave an inane and essentially meaningless answer to my question.  I was trying to clarify, and perhaps draw you out into a more substantive answer.  A vain hope it seems.

I tried asking about the memo, but he ignored me.   Meaningless and inane seems appropriate description when it comes to d1.

So come on back d1, tell us about the Nunes Memo.

I still don't think you knew Carter Page is a double agent.

You are here to push an agenda, it is meaningless to engage with you. The memos are public information why not read them for yourself?

What crime was Carter Page convicted of Rayzor?

Don't you think after all that spying they could convict him of something?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 08, 2018, 05:59:56 AM
Jimmy was that really worth typing?
>Snipped gaslighting.

You knew very well what I meant.
Not really.  Seems you just wanted to avoid the question with a banality.  I've also no idea how getting you to clarify your non-answer constitutes "gaslighting", which is defined as:

"manipulate (someone) by psychological means into doubting their own sanity."

When your mum asks you if you want a cup of tea, do you scream "Stop gaslighting me you bitch!" at her?  I sorta suspect you do.  :P

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Do you care, even in the slightest your government is using it's post 9/11 police state powers to unconstitutionally spy on citizens and illegally influence elections?

Do you care even a little bit?
I hate to break it to you, but some dumb conversation on an obscure flat earth forum is not going to alter my government's behaviour.

I'm really not a fan of Teresa May, as she's fucking useless, but I'd be interested to know how she has "illegally influenced elections"?    And how, exactly, has my government acted unconstitutionally?   Not saying they haven't, I'd just like some detail.  The UK has no explicit constitution, so it's a tricky area...
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 06:49:51 AM
When your mum asks you if you want a cup of tea, do you scream "Stop gaslighting me you bitch!" at her?  I sorta suspect you do.  :P

Triggered.

The very question. How do we tell who the good people and bad people are is stupid, why do you want me to tell you? Are you incapable of making up your own mind? Are you a man?

I tried to put it nicer earlier.

From the UK? My mistake. Naturally you shouldn't care what's happening in any other country, you have quite enough problems of your own.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 08, 2018, 07:17:12 AM
I'm asking you how you would identify:

Quote
To the good men and women left in your intelligence agencies.

It seems you have no useful answer.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 07:28:22 AM
I said my heart.
The shills know they are breaking the constitution, subverting citizens and influencing democracy. They know there are people still loyal to the constitution even if their banker owned bosses are loyal to the shadow government.

Men like Kevin Shipp are great examples.

Online shills exist I have cited multiple documents showing this, it's not a secret. You could argue that there are none here but that argument falls apart rather quickly.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 08, 2018, 07:30:10 AM
I said my heart.
You might as well say "my feet", for all the practical use that is.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 07:32:45 AM
Would it appease you if I said my brain, is that more acceptable by your cult of science?

Do you have anything on topic to add or are you just here for low energy trolling to stroke your bruised ego?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 08, 2018, 09:06:07 AM
Do you have anything on topic to add or are you just here for low energy trolling to stroke your bruised ego?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: hoppy on February 08, 2018, 03:02:23 PM
Yo dispute, already back from 8chan?

I should add you to my defeated list, since, well, I have defeated you multiple times.

You have literally defeated not a single person a single time on this forum ( I feel I can put a strong G on the fact that you have defeated no one ever in any situation).

I would say the only person you have ever defeated was yourself... however, you were born that way, so it really doesn't count since it was a freebie.

Have you seen the dunning-kruger chart for people like yourself?? God bless your special little soul.
Triggered (again).🙁
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 08, 2018, 03:56:35 PM
To add something of substance to this thread, the political nature of the Steele dossier was in fact disclosed on the FISA application. Even Nunes admitted it. There is a reason even Fox News has backed off from pushing the memo "scandal". The central premise was very quickly disproven. It was a shameless political stunt, and you should be ashamed for pushing it d1.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 08, 2018, 04:44:10 PM
Triggered (again).🙁

Alt of user confirmed

Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 05:31:49 PM
To add something of substance to this thread, the political nature of the Steele dossier was in fact disclosed on the FISA application. Even Nunes admitted it. There is a reason even Fox News has backed off from pushing the memo "scandal". The central premise was very quickly disproven. It was a shameless political stunt, and you should be ashamed for pushing it d1.

Of course it was politically motivated. The dossier was also politically motivated, the difference is one is based on facts and another is baseless.
That does not detract from the information detailed in the memo. More is coming, this is what the FBI tried so hard to avoid, transparency.

I wonder why?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 08, 2018, 05:44:51 PM
To add something of substance to this thread, the political nature of the Steele dossier was in fact disclosed on the FISA application. Even Nunes admitted it. There is a reason even Fox News has backed off from pushing the memo "scandal". The central premise was very quickly disproven. It was a shameless political stunt, and you should be ashamed for pushing it d1.

Of course it was politically motivated. The dossier was also politically motivated, the difference is one is based on facts and another is baseless.
That does not detract from the information detailed in the memo. More is coming, this is what the FBI tried so hard to avoid, transparency.

I wonder why?

I think you missed the main point of my post. The memo was factually incorrect.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 05:48:36 PM
That's quite a claim, do you have any evidence?
I assume you think The fusion GPS funded dossier was legitimate, not politically motivated and factually accurate?
I would go on to assume you now think the FBI was justified in their spying after you called me a tin foil hatter for mentioning the FBI's spying a year ago.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 08, 2018, 05:55:43 PM
That's quite a claim, do you have any evidence?

Nunes himself admitted it. I don't have time to source it for you at the moment. Google it.

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I assume you think The fusion GPS funded dossier was legitimate, not politically motivated and factually accurate?
I would go on to assume you now think the FBI was justified in their spying after you called me a tin foil hatter for mentioning the FBI's spying a year ago.

The dossier was opposition research. Being opposition research doesn't mean it is automatically true or false. It is unclear how much of it is true or not. I have no earthly idea what you are talking about regarding me calling you a tin foil hatter.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 06:11:06 PM
He admitted the information was false? Wow, give me a source when you can.

If they used a opposition research dossier that has proven to be outright lies sourced from anonymous shitposters (have you read the dossier?) and they had full knowledge that the dossier was fraudulent yet still used it to get a FISA warrant.

Isn't that a crime? Seems like a subversion of democracy to me,
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 08, 2018, 06:56:40 PM
He admitted the information was false? Wow, give me a source when you can.

If they used a opposition research dossier that has proven to be outright lies sourced from anonymous shitposters (have you read the dossier?) and they had full knowledge that the dossier was fraudulent yet still used it to get a FISA warrant.

Isn't that a crime? Seems like a subversion of democracy to me,

Nunes never read the underlying material,  Trey Gowdy did, and he says it has nothing to do with Muellers investigation. 

FBI and DOJ warned Trump that the memo was factually incorrect.   

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But in an appearance on "Fox & Friends," Nunes was asked about reports over the weekend that the FBI application did refer to a political entity connected to the dossier. It is unclear precisely what language the application might have used.

Nunes conceded that a "footnote" to that effect was included in the application, while faulting the bureau for failing to provide more specifics.

Meanwhile back at the ranch..

I still don't think you knew Carter Page is a double agent.
What crime was Carter Page convicted of Rayzor?
Don't you think after all that spying they could convict him of something?

So, why would Carter Page be convicted of spying if he was secretly working for US intelligence as a double agent.

You do understand what a double agent is don't you?

Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 08, 2018, 07:14:10 PM
Feb 2:

Quote from:
(cutaway to CNN interview of Eric Swalwell)
Swalwell: It was disclosed to the FISA court that part of the evidence was from a politically motivated source.
(end cutaway)
Baier: True?
Nunes: (stutter) No. It's like I said earlier. These guys tell so many lies that you can't keep track of them.
Baier: That's not true?
Nunes: No. The court was not made aware...

Feb 5:

Quote from:
Fox&Friends: One thing people kept saying yesterday was that there was some acknowledgement that this was a political document, meaning the dossier, in a footnote at the bottom of the FISA warrant. What can you tell us about that?
Nunes: [accusations of "them" lying]... so a footnote saying that something might be political is a far cry from letting the American people know that the Democrats and the Hillary campaign paid for dirt that the FBI then used to get a warrant...

Please note the moving of the goalposts. Also, please note the silly implication that the purpose of a FISA application is to "let the American people know" about who paid for the dossier.

Edit: Ugh, those automatic youtube embeds are annoying. Off to S&C I go!!
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 07:20:56 PM
Feb 2:
https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=R9h1Lw-uQpM&t=7m26s

Feb 5:
https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=fHkTXAP7UbU&t=40s
>what is hooktube?
I conceded the memo is politically motivated. Usually political matters are. That doesn't detract from the information in the memo. Hopefully we will get a clearer picture of the corruption with more declassified information.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 08, 2018, 07:25:32 PM
I conceded the memo is politically motivated. Usually political matters are. That doesn't detract from the information in the memo. Hopefully we will get a clearer picture of the corruption with more declassified information.

Are you being intentionally dense?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 07:27:04 PM
Are you being intentionally dishonest?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: TotesReptilian on February 08, 2018, 07:33:42 PM
Nevermind. Have fun with your misinformation campaign.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 07:43:48 PM
Accusing others of something you are doing is a very common tactic of the established power structure.

Kind of like accusing Trump of Russia collusion then doubling and quadrupling down as it is proven to be lies to cover up the shadow goverments decades old treason.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 08, 2018, 07:52:48 PM
Accusing others of something you are doing is a very common tactic of the established power structure.

Kind of like accusing Trump of Russia collusion then doubling and quadrupling down as it is proven to be lies to cover up the shadow goverments decades old treason.

Yeah, except,  Trump as much as admitted it.   Kinda hard to spin that.   

What does the FBI do, when they are being attacked by a corrupt President?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 08:40:22 PM
There is a civil war going on between the elected government and the Intelligence agencies that consider themselves the permanent unelected government.

You couldn't make it more obvious which side you are on.

Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 08, 2018, 08:46:38 PM
There is a civil war going on between the elected government and the Intelligence agencies that consider themselves the permanent unelected government.

You couldn't make it more obvious which side you are on.


I'm on the side of Justice and the rule of law,  the law applies to everyone equally. 

What side are you on?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 08:54:03 PM
I'm on the side of truth and transparency.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Wolvaccine on February 08, 2018, 08:57:23 PM
There is a civil war going on between the elected government and the Intelligence agencies that consider themselves the permanent unelected government.

You couldn't make it more obvious which side you are on.


I'm on the side of Justice and the rule of law,  the law applies to everyone equally. 

What side are you on?

There's a thing called 'affirmative action' that rubbishes your so called 'equally'
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 08, 2018, 09:01:46 PM
There is a civil war going on between the elected government and the Intelligence agencies that consider themselves the permanent unelected government.

You couldn't make it more obvious which side you are on.


I'm on the side of Justice and the rule of law,  the law applies to everyone equally. 

What side are you on?

There's a thing called 'affirmative action' that rubbishes your so called 'equally'

You'll have to justify that statement with evidence.  Who do you think is above the law because of "affirmative action"?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 09:16:26 PM
Discrimination against people based on their race and skin color.

E.g a white male having to score higher than a black woman to enrol in a university course.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 08, 2018, 09:46:34 PM
Discrimination against people based on their race and skin color.

E.g a white male having to score higher than a black woman to enrol in a university course.

To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities?   Eh?

So you think black women are above the law?  Please explain.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 09:50:27 PM
Discrimination against people based on their race and skin color.

E.g a white male having to score higher than a black woman to enrol in a university course.

To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities?   Eh?

I thought you claimed you weren't a communist?

I didn't claim they are above the law. I am claiming affirmative action is discriminatory and shouldn't happen in an equal society.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 08, 2018, 09:57:06 PM
Discrimination against people based on their race and skin color.

E.g a white male having to score higher than a black woman to enrol in a university course.

To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities?   Eh?

I thought you claimed you weren't a comunist?

I didn't claim they are above the law. I am claiming affirmative action is discriminatory and shouldn't happen in an equal society.

Hail comrade.  :)   

So you think discrimination should be illegal,  but don't believe in affirmative action,  so what's that got to do with anyone being above the law?

Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Wolvaccine on February 08, 2018, 10:07:35 PM
Discrimination against people based on their race and skin color.

E.g a white male having to score higher than a black woman to enrol in a university course.

To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities?   Eh?

So you think black women are above the law?  Please explain.

Does an grocery or restaurant in an English speaking country owned by an Asian get in trouble if he advertises a job in his native language. Does anyone question his hiring practices if there is a lack of ethnic diversity in his business?

If you advertised a job and stated that white men were highly encouraged to apply, would you get in trouble? If I look for work, no one is shy about telling me that women or aboriginal people are more desired than me. It's right there every time I look at a government job. Is it discrimination to employ someone on the basis of their colour or gender? I applied for a job that required a fitness test. The bar for males was set twice as high. It was easy enough for me to pass but you wonder why if the job is for the exact same thing why men needed a greater level of fitness

Your sadly blind if you believe that the law is equally applied to all no matter the race or gender.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 10:12:26 PM
Hail Victory.   

Whoa man calm down.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 08, 2018, 10:22:58 PM
Hail Victory.   

Whoa man calm down.

Have you heard on the grapevine that the FBI had a FISA warrant on Bannon?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 10:28:23 PM
Is that so?
Maybe Trump had a good reason to fire him.

http://www.jewishledger.com/2018/02/point-counterpoint-2/

Not defending Bannon but it used to be innocent until proven guilty. Now you are guilty as soon as you are under investigation or even accused of something.

The problem with this is that if the Intelligence Agencies are rotten to the core then the puppetmasters can ruin anyone they like without evidence or an actual trial.

How did we let it get this bad?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 10:31:14 PM
Discrimination against people based on their race and skin color.

E.g a white male having to score higher than a black woman to enrol in a university course.

To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities?   Eh?

I thought you claimed you weren't a comunist?

I didn't claim they are above the law. I am claiming affirmative action is discriminatory and shouldn't happen in an equal society.

Hail comrade.  :)   

So you think discrimination should be illegal,  but don't believe in affirmative action.

Also I would actually argue that if you are anti-discrimination you have to be anti-affirmative action.
Otherwise you would be demonstrably pro-discrimination.

Hail comrade indeed....
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 08, 2018, 10:35:08 PM

How did we let it get this bad?

We have had discussions on this while you were gone. Modern day witch hunts, guilty until proven innocent etc... Guess who the people were that stuck up for this mentality?

I tried to explain how serious this mentality is, the atrocities committed in the past because of this mentality...also, asked for people to attempt and put themselves in the shoes of the person accused. Imagine a false accusation with no merit put upon you and becoming instantly guilty...

I am made fun of for knowing history and citing it...that is fine, because one thing history teaches us, if you don't respect it, history will repeat itself.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 08, 2018, 10:57:38 PM
I am made fun of for knowing history and citing it...that is fine, because one thing history teaches us, if you don't respect it, history will repeat itself.

No, you get made fun of because you know jack shit about history, you keep getting it all arse about.


Also I would actually argue that if you are anti-discrimination you have to be anti-affirmative action.
Otherwise you would be demonstrably pro-discrimination.

Hail comrade indeed....

:)

Welcome to the ministry of truth.  Doublethink 101.

So tell me in your own words how positive discrimination differs from negative discrimination, and why one is bad and one can be good for society.

Society is not a zero sum game, we don't have to have someone lose,  in order for someone else to gain.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 08, 2018, 11:05:37 PM

No, you get made fun of because you know jack shit about history, you keep getting it all arse about.

Then prove where history says I am wrong...not one person has done that yet, they just throw ad hominems at me (which means they lost and have no rebuttal obviously)

I just state what history shows, people like yourself do whatever​ mental gymnastics possible to either ignore history, think you are above it or try and rewrite it.

I already stated what history shows happens to people like this...
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 11:08:53 PM

So tell me in your own words how positive discrimination differs from negative discrimination, and why one is bad and one can be good for society.

There is no difference discrimination is discrimination.

As I stated in an earlier thread I oppose women in combat roles in the military in general and on average. If a woman is fitter stronger and faster than male soilders then she should absolutely be able to serve.

Letting a woman join the military in a combat role when she is not physically fit for duty is discrimination and imo unfair on woman and men.

We should judge people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin or their gender.

If white and asian males naturally dominate engineering and physics then let them dominate it, if nursing is dominated by females let them dominate it, give every citizen the same entry requirements.

Tl:dr there is only discrimination. There is no positive and negative discrimination and no justification for it. Let the best people for the job do the job.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 08, 2018, 11:11:22 PM

So tell me in your own words how positive discrimination differs from negative discrimination, and why one is bad and one can be good for society.

There is no difference discrimination is discrimination.

As I stated in an earlier thread I oppose women in combat roles in the military in general and on average. If a woman is fitter stronger and faster than male soilders then she should absolutely be able to serve.

Letting a woman join the military in a combat role when she is not physically fit for duty is discrimination and imo unfair on woman and men.

We should judge people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin or their gender.

If white and asian males naturally dominate engineering and physics then let them dominate it, if nursing is dominated by females let them dominate it, give every citizen the same entry requirements.

Tl:dr there is only discrimination. There is no positive and negative discrimination and no justification for it. Let the best people for the job do the job.

So you think we shouldn't help those less fortunate than ourselves because that would be discriminating against those that don't need help?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 11:16:43 PM
Tl:dr there is only discrimination. There is no positive and negative discrimination and no justification for it. Let the best people for the job do the job.

So you think we shouldn't help those less fortunate.

Of course we should help the less fortunate. We should help all our citizens. The issue arises where we confuse being less fortunate with being a certain skin colour instead of judging on a case by case basis.

Are you suggesting that black women are somehow less fortunate intellectually than asian men? It sure sounds like it.

Even if that is the case I still think that we should have one entry requirement into university where we accept people based on their grades rather than their skin colour or gender.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 08, 2018, 11:31:57 PM
I am made fun of for knowing history and citing it...that is fine, because one thing history teaches us, if you don't respect it, history will repeat itself.
You keep talking about history, but the last time you mentioned anything historical was in the thread you thought Constantine founded the catholic church...
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 08, 2018, 11:41:54 PM
Tl:dr there is only discrimination. There is no positive and negative discrimination and no justification for it. Let the best people for the job do the job.

So you think we shouldn't help those less fortunate.

Of course we should help the less fortunate. We should help all our citizens. The issue arises where we confuse being less fortunate with being a certain skin colour instead of judging on a case by case basis.

Are you suggesting that black women are somehow less fortunate intellectually than asian men? It sure sounds like it.

Even if that is the case I still think that we should have one entry requirement into university where we accept people based on their grades rather than their skin colour or gender.

I'm pretty sure that university admission in general terms is on a case by case basis.  Why you choose to bring in a red herring of black women vs asian men is either an indication of you flawed value system, or just plain ignorance.

Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 08, 2018, 11:50:29 PM
Not even in the slightest when we have affirmative action programs that favour black women over asian men.

#SmashTheBambooCeiling
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416473/smash-bamboo-ceiling-racial-quotas-john-fund

This is a very long way off topic.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 08, 2018, 11:51:15 PM
You keep talking about history, but the last time you mentioned anything historical was in the thread you thought Constantine founded the catholic church...

It's because he did, other people on that thread agree. That is also why he solidified the Canon.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 09, 2018, 12:03:40 AM
You keep talking about history, but the last time you mentioned anything historical was in the thread you thought Constantine founded the catholic church...

It's because he did, other people on that thread agree. That is also why he solidified the Canon.

? He didn't do any of those things. He wasn't even Christian. What he did was organize the Council of Nicaea, which was an effort to create A catholic church, but not THE (modern) Catholic church, which isn't even catholic.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 09, 2018, 12:32:18 AM
? He didn't do any of those things. He wasn't even Christian. What he did was organize the Council of Nicaea, which was an effort to create A catholic church, but not THE (modern) Catholic church, which isn't even catholic.

Who created the council? Who over saw it and had final say? Exactly.... So it was him, it is not rocket science. Never said he didn't alone, but he is the one that initiated it, over saw it and had final say in it.

Also, I never even said he was Christian ...I said he did it to help break up the civil war in his kingdom. That is why there are Christian and pagan ideology mixed together in the Catholic traditions.

Why are you arguing something that is not hidden information?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: hoppy on February 09, 2018, 12:57:18 AM
BHS I think he is trying to trigger you, don't fall for it ;D
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 09, 2018, 01:54:44 AM
Who over saw it and had final say?

Probably Ossius of Cordoba. Constantine probably didn't interfere that much with their business. He did oversee it but probably didn't mess that much with their business.

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Exactly.... So it was him, it is not rocket science.

The council didn't found any church, much less the Catholic church.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bom Tishop on February 09, 2018, 02:12:00 AM
The council didn't found any church, much less the Catholic church.

Holy shit, now you are just playing dumb and attempting to use semantics to escape being incorrect.

They set a base line so the majority of the conflicting masses could come together and agree...kinda like throwing a grenade in a crowd trying to do the most damage. It just so became the Catholic Church. I am done arguing on this matter that is easily proven incorrect, research if you care to learn more (which I know you won't)
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 09, 2018, 02:49:39 AM
You keep talking about history, but the last time you mentioned anything historical was in the thread you thought Constantine founded the catholic church...

It's because he did, other people on that thread agree.
No, you made a howler and abandoned the thread, just admit it.  Constantine did not start the Catholic church "to avoid a religious war" (as you put it) - it had already been a tradition for centuries before he was born (though you claimed he did it around 400AD - 70 years after he died!).   Constantine's most significant acts were to enact the Edict of Milan which made persecution of Christian's illegal and the Council of Nicea which agreed a common doctrine.

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That is also why he solidified the Canon.
No, he didn't do this either.  You've been getting your history from The Da Vinci Code.  The Council of Nicea was concerned with the nature of Christ - mainly debating the Arian controversy.  It created the Nicene Creed - an agreed doctrine for all Christianity.  It did not debate canon -  all participants worked from the same texts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea#Biblical_canon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea#Biblical_canon)

If you're genuinely interested in Constantine, then this radio show podcast, were 4 academics discuss his life and significance, is a good place to start:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b096gjw0 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b096gjw0)

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kinda like throwing a grenade in a crowd trying to do the most damage.
No, it was the opposite  - the idea was to peacefully agree a unified doctrine .

Quote
It just so became the Catholic Church.
Nonsense.  Stop making stuff up.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 09, 2018, 02:53:45 AM
The council didn't found any church, much less the Catholic church.

Holy shit, now you are just playing dumb and attempting to use semantics to escape being incorrect.

I'm pretty sure you're projecting.

Quote
They set a base line so the majority of the conflicting masses could come together and agree...

So from "Constantine founded the Catholic church" we go to "a council organized by Constantine set a base line that eventually led to the formation of the Catholic church". Except...

Quote
It just so became the Catholic Church.


...it didn't. What we now know as Catholic church only became distinguishable much later. The canon of the western church was first set in 382 and the schism happened muuuch later. You need some incredible mental gymnastics to claim Constantine founded the Catholic church.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 09, 2018, 03:09:23 AM
Tl:dr there is only discrimination. There is no positive and negative discrimination and no justification for it. Let the best people for the job do the job.

So you think we shouldn't help those less fortunate.

Of course we should help the less fortunate. We should help all our citizens. The issue arises where we confuse being less fortunate with being a certain skin colour instead of judging on a case by case basis.

Are you suggesting that black women are somehow less fortunate intellectually than asian men? It sure sounds like it.

Even if that is the case I still think that we should have one entry requirement into university where we accept people based on their grades rather than their skin colour or gender.

I'm pretty sure that university admission in general terms is on a case by case basis.  Why you choose to bring in a red herring of black women vs asian men is either an indication of you flawed value system, or just plain ignorance.

Wtf, you guys live in countries with really strange universities.
Where I live, you either fullfill the requirements or you don't. Pretty simple.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 09, 2018, 03:27:07 AM
This is the most rational way I think.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 09, 2018, 03:28:23 AM
Tl:dr there is only discrimination. There is no positive and negative discrimination and no justification for it. Let the best people for the job do the job.

So you think we shouldn't help those less fortunate.

Of course we should help the less fortunate. We should help all our citizens. The issue arises where we confuse being less fortunate with being a certain skin colour instead of judging on a case by case basis.

Are you suggesting that black women are somehow less fortunate intellectually than asian men? It sure sounds like it.

Even if that is the case I still think that we should have one entry requirement into university where we accept people based on their grades rather than their skin colour or gender.

I'm pretty sure that university admission in general terms is on a case by case basis.  Why you choose to bring in a red herring of black women vs asian men is either an indication of you flawed value system, or just plain ignorance.

Wtf, you guys live in countries with really strange universities.
Where I live, you either fullfill the requirements or you don't. Pretty simple.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well... Here there's a certain number of "seats", and they fill them with the ones with the best marks in the exams. So if there are 100 available places and 1000 people apply, the 100 who wrote the best marks are accepted. Not that it's a good system.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 09, 2018, 03:40:33 AM
Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well... Here there's a certain number of "seats", and they fill them with the ones with the best marks in the exams. So if there are 100 available places and 1000 people apply, the 100 who wrote the best marks are accepted. Not that it's a good system.
Just because they didn't want you doesn't make it a bad system though.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 09, 2018, 05:25:08 AM
Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well... Here there's a certain number of "seats", and they fill them with the ones with the best marks in the exams. So if there are 100 available places and 1000 people apply, the 100 who wrote the best marks are accepted. Not that it's a good system.
Just because they didn't want you doesn't make it a bad system though.

Lol it's a shitty system but it worked out pretty well for me. The shitty thing is that you're judged solely on your marks on 1 exam on 4 subjects. And that's it. They don't take anything else into account.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 09, 2018, 09:10:20 AM
Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well... Here there's a certain number of "seats", and they fill them with the ones with the best marks in the exams. So if there are 100 available places and 1000 people apply, the 100 who wrote the best marks are accepted. Not that it's a good system.
Just because they didn't want you doesn't make it a bad system though.

Lol it's a shitty system but it worked out pretty well for me. The shitty thing is that you're judged solely on your marks on 1 exam on 4 subjects. And that's it. They don't take anything else into account.
Where I live, such a system only exists for medschool. I have not thought about it too much, but I don't think there is a better system?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 09, 2018, 01:45:08 PM
Where I live, such a system only exists for medschool. I have not thought about it too much, but I don't think there is a better system?
IB.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 09, 2018, 05:13:01 PM
Looks like Trump is not in favour of transparency after all.

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President Donald Trump won't release the Democratic rebuttal to the Republican intelligence memo alleging FBI abuses of its surveillance authority at this time, and has sent it back to the House Intelligence Committee for changes.

In a letter to the committee, White House Counsel Donald McGahn said, "although the President is inclined to declassify the February 5th Memorandum, because the Memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time."
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Crouton on February 09, 2018, 05:19:04 PM
Looks like Trump is not in favour of transparency after all.

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President Donald Trump won't release the Democratic rebuttal to the Republican intelligence memo alleging FBI abuses of its surveillance authority at this time, and has sent it back to the House Intelligence Committee for changes.

In a letter to the committee, White House Counsel Donald McGahn said, "although the President is inclined to declassify the February 5th Memorandum, because the Memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time."

Just to play devil's advocate but there might be a reason for it. The nunes memo as far as I can tell really didn't seem to have anything we didn't already know. The schiff memo is twice as long and it might have referenced some things that the public isn't aware of yet.

It's also possible that trump couldn't read 10 pages in 5 days so he just said fuck it.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 09, 2018, 08:31:02 PM
Looks like Trump is not in favour of transparency after all.

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President Donald Trump won't release the Democratic rebuttal to the Republican intelligence memo alleging FBI abuses of its surveillance authority at this time, and has sent it back to the House Intelligence Committee for changes.

In a letter to the committee, White House Counsel Donald McGahn said, "although the President is inclined to declassify the February 5th Memorandum, because the Memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time."

Just to play devil's advocate but there might be a reason for it. The nunes memo as far as I can tell really didn't seem to have anything we didn't already know. The schiff memo is twice as long and it might have referenced some things that the public isn't aware of yet.

It's also possible that trump couldn't read 10 pages in 5 days so he just said fuck it.

Heres an interesting take on the Nunes memo thing.

http://www.politicususa.com/2018/02/09/rachel-maddow-trump-fire-rosenstein.html

Summary
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The Nunes memo was never about what was in the memo. It was a cover story, and the definitive proof that Trump intends to fire Rosenstein and then Mueller came when the White House refused to release the Schiff Memo.

The contents have never mattered. Trump need a vehicle, not an argument.

Rachel Maddow untangled the long game here for the White House. Instead of impulsively firing everyone associated with the Russia investigation, people are being picked off one by one.

However, the midterm election is creeping up on Trump, which that he is running out of time because a Democratic House will protect Robert Mueller. Trump has one last big play in him to kill the Russia investigation, and that gambit involves a bogus memo, firing Rod Rosenstein, and ending the Mueller investigation.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Symptom on February 09, 2018, 08:44:46 PM
Destroy snowflakes.

(yes, that means you, BHS)
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Crouton on February 09, 2018, 08:45:35 PM
No doubt. What's interesting about all of this is that no one outside of the conspiracy theorists believe this was anything but an excuse to fire Mueller. Judging by the comments not enough the fox news viewers bought into it.

But it's still a victory for trump. Its not a knockout blow but it is a good solid right hook to the rule of law. It looks like an endurance match. We just have to last another 9 months.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 09, 2018, 10:07:09 PM
But it's still a victory for trump. Its not a knockout blow but it is a good solid right hook to the shadow government. It looks like an endurance match. We just have to last another 9 months.

Hold on tight.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Crouton on February 09, 2018, 10:31:45 PM
But it's still a victory for trump. Its not a knockout blow but it is a good solid right hook to the shadow government. It looks like an endurance match. We just have to last another 9 months.

Hold on tight.

You have been gone a while.  Nobody calls it the shadow government anymore.  It's the Secret Society now. 

Get with the program!
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 09, 2018, 10:49:00 PM
Where I live, such a system only exists for medschool. I have not thought about it too much, but I don't think there is a better system?
IB.
What does 'IB.' mean? 'I'm a Butterfly'?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: DuckDodgers on February 09, 2018, 10:52:29 PM
Secret Society is so 2 days ago. We are now called the deepest bluest state, our hats are like sharks fins.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 09, 2018, 11:26:30 PM
Where I live, such a system only exists for medschool. I have not thought about it too much, but I don't think there is a better system?
IB.
What does 'IB.' mean? 'I'm a Butterfly'?


Imperial Beach.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZcAEKri.jpg)
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 09, 2018, 11:46:41 PM
Where I live, such a system only exists for medschool. I have not thought about it too much, but I don't think there is a better system?
IB.
What does 'IB.' mean? 'I'm a Butterfly'?


Imperial Beach.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZcAEKri.jpg)
I think I was there once, it's pretty cool.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 09, 2018, 11:48:55 PM
But it's still a victory for trump. Its not a knockout blow but it is a good solid right hook to the shadow government. It looks like an endurance match. We just have to last another 9 months.

Hold on tight.

You have been gone a while.  Nobody calls it the shadow government anymore.  It's the Secret Society now. 

Get with the program!

Call it what you like you can trace their bloodlines back thousands of years. A colleague of mine has put together a very well researched series.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 10, 2018, 02:11:11 AM
Call it what you like you can trace their bloodlines back thousands of years.
No, you can't.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 10, 2018, 02:20:06 AM
A colleague of mine has put together a very well researched series.

Translation: A fellow wingnut on 4chan has learnt to use google and spell illuminati.   
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 03:24:51 AM
Yeah no one really uses google anymore.

Great rebuttal Jimmy and you can trace their bloodline back thousands of years. The elite are very concerned with keeping "pure" blood. Which makes it quite easy. I have links to the information if you want it but you will need to independently verify it.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 10, 2018, 03:30:29 AM
Yeah no one really uses google anymore.

The cool kids just make up their own shit now?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 03:38:11 AM
Yeah no one really uses google anymore.

The cool kids just make up their own shit now?

duckduckgo.com
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 10, 2018, 11:31:04 PM
Google is better though.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 11:42:22 PM
They got rid of their old slogan "don't be evil." It must no longer apply.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 10, 2018, 11:47:45 PM
I didn't know they had this slogan, but if they changed it, it doesn't really matter anyway.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 11:51:08 PM
I guess not. They need our data for their AI systems. Google and Facebook sell your data to silicon valley to feed to their AI systems. China is doing very well in the AI sector because it's a communist government where the people have even less privacy than western countries.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 10, 2018, 11:54:44 PM
I guess not. They need our data for their AI systems. Google and Facebook sell your data to silicon valley to feed to their AI systems. China is doing very well in the AI sector because it's a communist government where the people have even less privacy than western countries.
See, you literally just proofed privacy is a bad thing.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 12:56:56 AM
Proved*

I don't think I did. Privacy is a bad thing for Alphabet. I think privacy is good for a population.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 11, 2018, 01:05:48 AM
Proved*

I don't think I did. Privacy is a bad thing for Alphabet. I think privacy is good for a population.

Here's a great idea,  why don't you go on a public forum and tell us all your life story,  that would be sticking it to those google anti-privacy snoops.   Oh wait... oops!
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 01:44:31 AM
I don't believe it is most effective to always be anonymous. Sometimes as an individual it's important to be a real human who stands by their convictions.

I can do things you can't because I am free.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 11, 2018, 02:22:36 AM
I don't believe it is most effective to always be anonymous. Sometimes as an individual it's important to be a real human who stands by their convictions.

I can do things you can't because I am free.

Freedom is an illusion,  I thought you were smarter than that.  Seems I was wrong about you.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 02:38:23 AM
I don't believe it is most effective to always be anonymous. Sometimes as an individual it's important to be a real human who stands by their convictions.

I can do things you can't because I am free.

Freedom is an illusion,  I thought you were smarter than that.  Seems I was wrong about you.

More shilling ladies and gentleman. He's spent hundreds of posts calling me stupid. Now he tries to manipulate me by calling me intelligent.

You're just so predictable Rayzor.

I am free, freedom is not an illusion.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 11, 2018, 02:44:37 AM
I don't believe it is most effective to always be anonymous. Sometimes as an individual it's important to be a real human who stands by their convictions.

I can do things you can't because I am free.

Freedom is an illusion,  I thought you were smarter than that.  Seems I was wrong about you.

More shilling ladies and gentleman. He's spent hundreds of posts calling me stupid. Now he tries to manipulate me by calling me intelligent.

You're just so predictable Rayzor.

I am free, freedom is not an illusion.

You are free to sleep under a bridge.  Beyond that freedom is an illusion.

Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 02:48:26 AM
How is freedom an illusion?

I am free to make my own decisions, free to follow my own moral code. I don't have to do anything I disagree with or find reprehensible.

I have to work, but in any society people have to work to have a succesful state. I can choose to do an honest job that contributes to the community.

I am free. Don't project your chains on me.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 11, 2018, 02:52:25 AM
How is freedom an illusion?

I am free to make my own decisions, free to follow my own moral code. I don't have to do anything I disagree with or find reprehensible.

I have to work, but in any society people have to work to have a succesful state. I can choose to do an honest job that contributes to the community.

I am free. Don't project your chains on me.

But you aren't free to think, are you?  You are a product of a zillion subtle influences, none of which are under your control.  There's your chains.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 03:23:43 AM
I am free to think. We are all influenced by our environment to a certain degree but I am free to think.

You are not free to think, don't project your chains onto me.

If I was not free to think I wouldn't be a conspiracy theorist and we would not be here dancing.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 11, 2018, 03:25:05 AM
I am free to think. We are all influenced by our environment to a certain degree but I am free to think.

You are not free to think, don't project your chains onto me.

If I was not free to think I wouldn't be a conspiracy theorist and we would not be here dancing.

Maybe the combined effect of all those influences was to make you a conspiracy theorist? 
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 03:30:14 AM
No that came from making my own conclusions about things.

You always have the same opinions as the MSM so naturally I am the one that's brainwashed because I disagree with what we are told to think every day.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 11, 2018, 04:03:03 AM
Where I live, such a system only exists for medschool. I have not thought about it too much, but I don't think there is a better system?
IB.
What does 'IB.' mean? 'I'm a Butterfly'?

Ιnternational BaccalaufrenchwordIdon'tknowhowtospell.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 11, 2018, 04:08:03 AM
But it's still a victory for trump. Its not a knockout blow but it is a good solid right hook to the shadow government. It looks like an endurance match. We just have to last another 9 months.

Hold on tight.

You have been gone a while.  Nobody calls it the shadow government anymore.  It's the Secret Society now. 

Get with the program!

Call it what you like you can trace their bloodlines back thousands of years. A colleague of mine has put together a very well researched series.

True. I found this portrait of one of Rothschild's ancestors:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Neanderthaler_Fund.png)
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 04:16:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzKU3ktSZh0pmvueRwZEhBC0j1yio04g6
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 11, 2018, 04:18:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzKU3ktSZh0pmvueRwZEhBC0j1yio04g6
Do I even have to point out how impossible it is to trace ANY bloodline back thousands of years?
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 04:19:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzKU3ktSZh0pmvueRwZEhBC0j1yio04g6
Do I even have to point out how impossible it is to trace ANY bloodline back thousands of years?

Yes.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Papa Legba on February 11, 2018, 04:21:04 AM
I am free to think. We are all influenced by our environment to a certain degree but I am free to think.

You are not free to think, don't project your chains onto me.

If I was not free to think I wouldn't be a conspiracy theorist and we would not be here dancing.

Maybe the combined effect of all those influences was to make you a conspiracy theorist?

Every single person involved in law enforcement and the legal profession is by definition a conspiracy theorist.

Look:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(criminal)

So your silly shillbot catchphrase is seen to be meaningless.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 11, 2018, 04:22:39 AM
Yes.
Ok. It's impossible. How are you supposed to have intact historical data without gaps over even a few hundred years, let alone before writing was a thing? It's pure fantasy.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 04:23:49 AM
We were writing two thousand years ago. Watch the series you'll find it intersting.

For Papa.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 11, 2018, 04:28:27 AM
We were writing two thousand years ago. Watch the series you'll find it intersting.
Why doesn't this guy publish his findings? Surely tracing any bloodline thousands of years in the past will be a major historical breakthrough.

I'm 100% certain it will be bullshit but I will watch a couple episides, probably.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 11, 2018, 04:35:03 AM
I guarantee you it's bullshit.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 04:35:19 AM
If you're already 100% certain it's bullshit then I would advise you to not bother wasting your time.

Way better to read the information controlled by these bloodlines instead and get an unbiased look at things.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on February 11, 2018, 04:38:12 AM
If you're already 100% certain it's bullshit then I would advise you to not bother wasting your time.

Way better to read the information controlled by these bloodlines instead and get an unbiased look at things.
People control information, not bloodlines.
So far the burden of proof is on you and you have not yer shown us anything.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 11, 2018, 04:38:31 AM
If you're already 100% certain it's bullshit then I would advise you to not bother wasting your time.

Way better to read the information controlled by these bloodlines instead and get an unbiased look at things.
I didn't know they were that long... I made it to "the elites are very proud of the fact that they can trace their bloodlines back to Cain" and I stopped. The robot voice makes it extra unbearable.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 04:40:34 AM
User I presented the information. It's up to you to research it.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzKU3ktSZh0pmvueRwZEhBC0j1yio04g6

Truth is stranger than fiction DNO. Look into the Smithsonian and their censorship of history.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 11, 2018, 04:42:48 AM
User I presented the information. It's up to you to research it.

Truth is stranger than fiction DNO. Look into the Smithsonian and their censorship of history.

So not only did they manage to trace back the bloodlines, they managed to do it even though there was a conspiracy to censor history. Seems legit.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 04:47:05 AM
The internet is a useful tool. It's hidden in plain sight, they don't really need to hide anything. Most people reject the evidence of the thirteen bloodlines and their power and attack the people that try to expose them.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Pezevenk on February 11, 2018, 04:57:18 AM
The internet is a useful tool. It's hidden in plain sight, they don't really need to hide anything. Most people reject the evidence of the thirteen bloodlines and their power and attack the people that try to expose them.

What thirteen bloodlines? This is really starting to sound like a Tolkien ripoff or something...
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 05:01:03 AM
Truth really is stranger than fiction.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: boydster on February 11, 2018, 06:38:10 AM
The internet is a useful tool. It's hidden in plain sight, they don't really need to hide anything. Most people reject the evidence of the thirteen bloodlines and their power and attack the people that try to expose them.

What thirteen bloodlines? This is really starting to sound like a Tolkien ripoff or something...

To conspiracy theorists, the Russians are A-OK; it's those darned Illuminati that are gonna getchya.

http://www.rebelcircus.com/blog/the-conspiracy-of-13-illuminati-bloodlines-that-control-the-world/
Quote
Listen up, America.  It is extremely difficult not to type this post in ALL CAPS because it is THAT IMPORTANT.  There are 13 Illuminati bloodlines that control the world, and we are ready to expose them, using the absolutely foolproof research done by various YouTubers and 4chan conspiracy theorists, uploading videos from their mothers' basements.  We are committed to spreading the truth and revealing the New World Order for what it is, so grab your tinfoil hat and your year's supply of beef jerky, because it's time to hunker down with a serious dose of the information that the government elite does not want you to know about!
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 06:46:20 AM
Yeah the Russians aren't our enemy. They haven't been for a long time.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 11, 2018, 03:48:01 PM
Yeah the Russians aren't our enemy. They haven't been for a long time.

LOL,  your trolling mojo was so disgusted by the low quality of your trolling it has departed,  flounced off in a huff. 

Sorry,  13 bloodlines, something something illuminati, something something deep state...  GCHQ,  five-eyes something something...   



Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 04:51:38 PM
Maybe you are right Papa.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 11, 2018, 05:07:20 PM
Maybe you are right Papa.
Sorry,  13 bloodlines, something something illuminati, something something deep state...  GCHQ,  five-eyes something something...   
Bot, something something troll,  something something chatbot, something something A1.   Papa, blah blah.

Papa is an AI chat bot
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 05:11:10 PM
Or maybe he is starting to crack under the pressure.
Title: Re: Memogate.
Post by: Rayzor on February 11, 2018, 05:12:58 PM
Or maybe he is starting to crack under the pressure.

Whirr... click... beep..   clatter clatter clatter  ( dam stairs)