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Title: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Data on February 07, 2018, 12:27:41 PM
I'm curious, if the Earth is flat, what are the rest of the planets like? 

To clarify, some FE opinions I've read state that the other planets are indeed globes.  How can this be? 

What exactly do FE supporters believe about the universe?  Does it exist, or doesn't it?  Are other planets spherical in shape or are they not?  Why would Earth be flat and not the rest?
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 07, 2018, 01:02:21 PM
I'm curious, if the Earth is flat, what are the rest of the planets like? 
...
Why would Earth be flat and not the rest?
According to FE, only the Earth is flat.

We're special.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Son of Orospu on February 07, 2018, 01:40:42 PM
Many of us do not believe the Earth is a planet. 
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Data on February 07, 2018, 03:55:58 PM
Many of us do not believe the Earth is a planet.

Why isn't the earth a planet, and why is everyone other planet a planet?  What is the point of Earth being a flat disk? 
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 07, 2018, 04:02:08 PM
Why isn't the earth a planet, and why is everyone other planet a planet?  What is the point of Earth being a flat disk?
Your question seems to be "I assume Earth is a planet. Why isn't it a planet?"

FEers who assume it's not a planet could ask you "Why isn't a giraffe an insect, when every other insect is an insect?"

Discussions here often assume a lot of preconceived notions. To let go of them is to be closer to understanding.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Son of Orospu on February 07, 2018, 04:04:01 PM
Planets are little dots of light in the sky.  Look below your feet.  It is not the same thing. 
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: ER22 on February 07, 2018, 04:50:14 PM
Planets are little dots of light in the sky.  Look below your feet.  It is not the same thing.

Yes, planets do look like little dots in the sky.
Unless you own or have access to a telescope.
Then they kinda look like little balls.

If you have access to a real kick ass telescope,
You will see they are actually quite big balls.
It's indisputable, you can see the spot on Jupiter.
It moves across the surface of the plant.

Instead of arguing, why not buy a telescope and use it?

Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 05:04:26 PM
Planets are little dots of light in the sky.  Look below your feet.  It is not the same thing.

Yes, planets do look like little dots in the sky.
Unless you own or have access to a telescope.
Then they kinda look like little balls.

If you have access to a real kick ass telescope,
You will see they are actually quite big balls.
It's indisputable, you can see the spot on Jupiter.
It moves across the surface of the plant.

Instead of arguing, why not buy a telescope and use it?

Bullshit. You look at Jupiter you can not 'see it as a ball'. Can you see depth on a 2D surface? You see a flat circular disc. Who is to say the rest of the planets aren't flat and they are simply facing us in a way we see them top side.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: ER22 on February 07, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Planets are little dots of light in the sky.  Look below your feet.  It is not the same thing.

Yes, planets do look like little dots in the sky.
Unless you own or have access to a telescope.
Then they kinda look like little balls.

If you have access to a real kick ass telescope,
You will see they are actually quite big balls.
It's indisputable, you can see the spot on Jupiter.
It moves across the surface of the plant.

Instead of arguing, why not buy a telescope and use it?

Bullshit. You look at Jupiter you can not 'see it as a ball'. Can you see depth on a 2D surface? You see a flat circular disc. Who is to say the rest of the planets aren't flat and they are simply facing us in a way we see them top side.

Explain the "red spot" of Jupiter.
How it moves across the surface of the planet,
One side to the other.
Then magically appears where it started.
Except it's not magic, astronomers can predict when the spot reappears.
Kinda makes you think of a sphere revolving at a constant pace.

You got a better explanation?
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 05:38:03 PM
Dual Jupiter Theory

Or maybe the cloud cover works like a conveyor belt.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 07, 2018, 06:41:38 PM
I'm curious, if the Earth is flat, what are the rest of the planets like?

In my view, the other planets have the same physical properties as Earth i.e. they appear and behave spherical but are flat. This is also true of stars, asteroids, and ping-pong balls.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: rvlvr on February 07, 2018, 11:15:45 PM
I suck at ping pong.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 11:35:23 PM
I'm curious, if the Earth is flat, what are the rest of the planets like?

In my view, the other planets have the same physical properties as Earth i.e. they appear and behave spherical but are flat. This is also true of stars, asteroids, and ping-pong balls.

How do you know about the other planets? What source of information do you rely on, have you actually seen either Neptune or Uranus? Please enlighten.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 07, 2018, 11:36:56 PM
What source of information do you rely on, have you actually seen either Neptune or Uranus? Please enlighten.

Same as your source.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 11:42:21 PM
What source of information do you rely on, have you actually seen either Neptune or Uranus? Please enlighten.

Same as your source.

My source! Have you been peaking again!
How do you know what the nature of my sources are? How do you know what I think I know? Take Uranus for example I might ,based on my sources, not believe in its existance, as I’ve never seen Uranus up close.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 08, 2018, 12:00:41 AM
My source! Have you been peaking again!
How do you know what the nature of my sources are? How do you know what I think I know? Take Uranus for example I might ,based on my sources, not believe in its existance, as I’ve never seen Uranus up close.

Apologies, I thought your sources were mainstream, peer-reviewed, and scientific/mathematical.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Data on February 08, 2018, 09:18:53 AM
Planets are little dots of light in the sky.  Look below your feet.  It is not the same thing.

You do understand that something that is hundreds and thousands  of millions of miles away wouldn't look the same as the ground you're standing on, right?
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Data on February 08, 2018, 09:24:55 AM
Planets are little dots of light in the sky.  Look below your feet.  It is not the same thing.

Yes, planets do look like little dots in the sky.
Unless you own or have access to a telescope.
Then they kinda look like little balls.

If you have access to a real kick ass telescope,
You will see they are actually quite big balls.
It's indisputable, you can see the spot on Jupiter.
It moves across the surface of the plant.

Instead of arguing, why not buy a telescope and use it?

Bullshit. You look at Jupiter you can not 'see it as a ball'. Can you see depth on a 2D surface? You see a flat circular disc. Who is to say the rest of the planets aren't flat and they are simply facing us in a way we see them top side.

Do you honestly believe the other planets are flat disks appearing vertically on to us locked in that position to fool us?  And what keeps them locked in that position, motionless in space, and by whom? And for what purpose?  I do not mean to criticize, I am looking for an honest and plausible (that falls in line with the laws of physics) opinion to help me understand the FE point of view.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 08, 2018, 10:10:51 AM
... to help me understand the FE point of view.
There is no FE point of view other than "the Earth is flat."
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Data on February 08, 2018, 10:34:33 AM
... to help me understand the FE point of view.
There is no FE point of view other than "the Earth is flat."

Yes, its so frustrating that none of their opinions go beyond "I'm right, you're wrong, shut up" whenever anyone asks an intelligent question.  Another behavioral trait I've noticed, FE supporters written speech skills seem to be sub-par.  Grammar, spelling, general coherence, it seems to be lost on them.

I really would just like an answer as to why they believe these things that are so obviously counter to know scientific principles.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Shifter on February 08, 2018, 12:42:49 PM
... to help me understand the FE point of view.
There is no FE point of view other than "the Earth is flat."

Yes, its so frustrating that none of their opinions go beyond "I'm right, you're wrong, shut up" whenever anyone asks an intelligent question.  Another behavioral trait I've noticed, FE supporters written speech skills seem to be sub-par.  Grammar, spelling, general coherence, it seems to be lost on them.

I really would just like an answer as to why they believe these things that are so obviously counter to know scientific principles.

You mean like your crappy grammar? If you are going to hang shit on other peoples grammar perhaps you could go over your own post that hangs shit on other peoples grammar and make sure it's up to par. How embarrassing for you
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Lonegranger on February 08, 2018, 03:32:27 PM
My source! Have you been peaking again!
How do you know what the nature of my sources are? How do you know what I think I know? Take Uranus for example I might ,based on my sources, not believe in its existance, as I’ve never seen Uranus up close.

Apologies, I thought your sources were mainstream, peer-reviewed, and scientific/mathematical.

I think your missing the point. On what basis can you pass comment on any planets other than the ones that can be seen with a modest telescope. How do you know Uranus and Neptune actually exist? In all honesty how much time have you spent observing and researching the planets? Many people on this site pass comment on things they no little or nothing about. So my question to you is’; how much do you know about the planets and how did you come by that knowledge.....and please don’t say “ the same way as you” as that would be infantile.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 08, 2018, 03:48:03 PM
So my question to you is’; how much do you know about the planets and how did you come by that knowledge.....and please don’t say “ the same way as you” as that would be infantile.

I have studied science and that is how I came by my knowledge of planets. I'd say that knowledge is pretty extensive (some people sleep under glow-in-the-dark stars; I used to sleep under a timescale of the universe's expansion) but obviously, it pales in comparison to astronomers.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: ER22 on February 08, 2018, 03:58:58 PM
Dual Jupiter Theory

Or maybe the cloud cover works like a conveyor belt.

Dual Jupiter or a conveyor belt.
In other words you haven't got a clue, you are guessing.
OK, I'll just accept that you can't really explain the red spot on Jupiter.

Let's try something else.
Back to the telescope, point it at a full moon.

In the centre of the moon the craters are all circular.
As your vision moves to the outer edges of the moon,
The craters become noticeably more oval shaped.

Also the centre craters don't have shadows.
The ones near the edge do have shadows.
What's your best guess on these points?

Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: ER22 on February 08, 2018, 04:03:07 PM
... to help me understand the FE point of view.
There is no FE point of view other than "the Earth is flat."

Yes, its so frustrating that none of their opinions go beyond "I'm right, you're wrong, shut up" whenever anyone asks an intelligent question.  Another behavioral trait I've noticed, FE supporters written speech skills seem to be sub-par.  Grammar, spelling, general coherence, it seems to be lost on them.

I really would just like an answer as to why they believe these things that are so obviously counter to know scientific principles.

You mean like your crappy grammar? If you are going to hang shit on other peoples grammar perhaps you could go over your own post that hangs shit on other peoples grammar and make sure it's up to par. How embarrassing for you

I think Shifter might be pregnant,
Definitely missed a period in the above post...
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: robintex on February 08, 2018, 04:05:12 PM
Some FE's say the earth is not a planet brecase the flat earth is stationary.
It does not revollve around anything.
The sun, the moon and the whole universe revolve around the earth.
The earth is the center of the universe.
So is the FES.
Every thing revolves around them.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: ER22 on February 08, 2018, 04:20:23 PM
Or the flat earth is constantly accelerating upwards because gravity doesn't exist.
Stars and planets are simply lights on a dome or in the aether.

Some believe in a dual earth.
Some believe it's just all done by a god.
Some believe the moon is self illuminating.
I apologize to the ones I'm leaving out.

All FE'rs say rockets and satellites are fake.
Rockets and satellites are simply impossible.



Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Lonegranger on February 08, 2018, 11:49:34 PM
I'm curious, if the Earth is flat, what are the rest of the planets like?

In my view, the other planets have the same physical properties as Earth i.e. they appear and behave spherical but are flat. This is also true of stars, asteroids, and ping-pong balls.

And what particular branch of your astronomical studies have led you to this conclusion?
I’m often baffled by people on this forum who make grandiose claims about a subject that’s based on no more than a whim. Do you often have problems playing ping pong?
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 09, 2018, 12:11:42 AM
I'm curious, if the Earth is flat, what are the rest of the planets like?

In my view, the other planets have the same physical properties as Earth i.e. they appear and behave spherical but are flat. This is also true of stars, asteroids, and ping-pong balls.

And what particular branch of your astronomical studies have led you to this conclusion?
String theory is one example. Geometry is another (although not an 'astronomical' study).
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Lonegranger on February 09, 2018, 12:34:41 AM
I'm curious, if the Earth is flat, what are the rest of the planets like?

In my view, the other planets have the same physical properties as Earth i.e. they appear and behave spherical but are flat. This is also true of stars, asteroids, and ping-pong balls.

And what particular branch of your astronomical studies have led you to this conclusion?
String theory is one example. Geometry is another (although not an 'astronomical' study).

So your study of string theory has lead you to the conclusion the earth is flat despite simple observations that prove otherwise. Could you share your incorrect calculations, or like so many around here, is it stuff you just made up.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 09, 2018, 01:05:30 AM
So your study of string theory has lead you to the conclusion the earth is flat despite simple observations that prove otherwise. Could you share your incorrect calculations, or like so many around here, is it stuff you just made up.
These aren't my calculations, correct or otherwise. These are studied areas of string theory and science, like the holographic principle, which by this point I've explained to death in other threads (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74211.msg2021444#msg2021444).

If you do not have an understanding of my position or of the fields of science we are discussing here, please refrain from using the terms 'incorrect' and 'stuff you just made up' without evidence and citation.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Lonegranger on February 09, 2018, 01:27:54 AM
So your study of string theory has lead you to the conclusion the earth is flat despite simple observations that prove otherwise. Could you share your incorrect calculations, or like so many around here, is it stuff you just made up.
These aren't my calculations, correct or otherwise. These are studied areas of string theory and science, like the holographic principle, which by this point I've explained to death in other threads (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74211.msg2021444#msg2021444).

If you do not have an understanding of my position or of the fields of science we are discussing here, please refrain from using the terms 'incorrect' and 'stuff you just made up' without evidence and citation.

But I could disprove all the nonsense you write about things you don’t understand using a couple of sticks, a friend a known distance away, a ruler and a mobile phone.
What people like you do is invoke complex areas of science that you know nothing about using it as a cloak of confusion while at the same time conveniently ignoring reality in favour of your delusional thoughts that ‘require no proof’.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 09, 2018, 01:33:39 AM
I could disprove all the nonsense you write about things you don’t understand using a couple of sticks, a friend a known distance away, a ruler and a mobile phone.
Please; use a couple of sticks, a friend a known distance away, a ruler, and a mobile phone to disprove string theory.

What people like you do is invoke complex areas of science that you know nothing about using it as a cloak of confusion while at the same time conveniently ignoring reality in favour of your delusional thoughts that ‘require no proof’.
Again, just because you are confused doesn't mean the arguments are wrong and a deliberate "cloak of confusion".
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Lonegranger on February 09, 2018, 01:50:34 AM
I could disprove all the nonsense you write about things you don’t understand using a couple of sticks, a friend a known distance away, a ruler and a mobile phone.
Please; use a couple of sticks, a friend a known distance away, a ruler, and a mobile phone to disprove string theory.

What people like you do is invoke complex areas of science that you know nothing about using it as a cloak of confusion while at the same time conveniently ignoring reality in favour of your delusional thoughts that ‘require no proof’.
Again, just because you are confused doesn't mean the arguments are wrong and a deliberate "cloak of confusion".

‘Show me where string theory proves a flat earth’
The sticks etc is not to disprove string theory, but to demonstrate we live on a sphere! Did you bunk off school the day they did trig, or where you too immersed in string theory. Where did you study it by the way? Or are you a student of the university of Wikipedia.

I’m not confused just bewildered that you imagine you think you understand string theory, and think it proves the earth is flat. I think the people on the ISS May have something to say about that.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 09, 2018, 01:57:37 AM
‘Show me where string theory proves a flat earth’
Search "The Holographic Principle" or "The Information Paradox". Or, y'know, actually click on the links I keep sending you. Or, y'know, actually read the threads you keep posting in.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Lonegranger on February 09, 2018, 02:03:15 AM
‘Show me where string theory proves a flat earth’
Search "The Holographic Principle" or "The Information Paradox". Or, y'know, actually click on the links I keep sending you. Or, y'know, actually read the threads you keep posting in.

Why don’t you just look up ISS, watch the live stream, then go and look at Starmans live stream. Once your finished that go into you local university, go to the astronomy dept and ask them what they think regarding the shape of the earth.

The problem with you is you read about stuff you don’t really understand and then try to apply it to situations like the shape of the earth, and you imagine you’re being clever!
The shape of the earth is not a paradox, it’s the same as the moon, Venus, Mars and even Uranus! A sphere,
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 09, 2018, 02:06:49 AM
‘Show me where string theory proves a flat earth’
Search "The Holographic Principle" or "The Information Paradox". Or, y'know, actually click on the links I keep sending you. Or, y'know, actually read the threads you keep posting in.

Why don’t you just look up ISS, watch the live stream, then go and look at Starmans live stream. Once your finished that go into you local university, go to the astronomy dept and ask them what they think regarding the shape of the earth.
If you are going to continue to blatantly ignore the links and evidence and arguments I keep sending you, then an intellectually honest, rational, and productive conversation is impossible. Until you respond to the arguments I am making rather than deflecting or presenting strawman arguments, this conversation is over.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Lonegranger on February 09, 2018, 02:10:50 AM
‘Show me where string theory proves a flat earth’
Search "The Holographic Principle" or "The Information Paradox". Or, y'know, actually click on the links I keep sending you. Or, y'know, actually read the threads you keep posting in.

Why don’t you just look up ISS, watch the live stream, then go and look at Starmans live stream. Once your finished that go into you local university, go to the astronomy dept and ask them what they think regarding the shape of the earth.
If you are going to continue to blatantly ignore the links and evidence and arguments I keep sending you, then an intellectually honest, rational, and productive conversation is impossible. Until you respond to the arguments I am making rather than deflecting or presenting strawman arguments, this conversation is over.

Your links are not evidence. You ignore all the evidence I’ve provided.
As I said why don’t you pop into your local university and ask them. All you have to loose is learning the truth.

Also what is it about you links that you imagine prove a flat earth,....in your own words please.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Lonegranger on February 09, 2018, 02:43:33 AM
‘Show me where string theory proves a flat earth’
Search "The Holographic Principle" or "The Information Paradox". Or, y'know, actually click on the links I keep sending you. Or, y'know, actually read the threads you keep posting in.

Why don’t you just look up ISS, watch the live stream, then go and look at Starmans live stream. Once your finished that go into you local university, go to the astronomy dept and ask them what they think regarding the shape of the earth.
If you are going to continue to blatantly ignore the links and evidence and arguments I keep sending you, then an intellectually honest, rational, and productive conversation is impossible. Until you respond to the arguments I am making rather than deflecting or presenting strawman arguments, this conversation is over.

You read things on string theory and the holographic universe, fine. To be honest I know enough about each to fill an area of an average postage stamp.
The people, or physicists, who came up with these ideas, do you think they know their subject area, do you think they can be believed?
If you went up to any string theorist on the planet and asked them, ‘is the earth a sphere or flat’ what do you imagine their answer would be? You like science? What response would you get to the same question if you asked every astronomer on the planet?

Any physicist who claimed the earth was flat would be laughed out of town. That’s why all FE supporters are either just plain mad or delusional in some way. Find me any university course on the planet that teaches the earth is flat.....why is this the case?

Post a link to just one reputable physicist or string theorist who holds a chair at any university on the planet who supports your view of a non spherical flat earth. The same goes for astronomer. Are you not seeing some kind of pattern developing? All the scientific evidence a available  proves the earth is a sphere. You read a piece on the web about the holographic principle, not really understanding it, and you imagine the conclusions you draw from your interpretation form a proof! Dream on.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 09, 2018, 02:53:48 AM
Post a link to just one reputable physicist or string theorist who holds a chair at any university on the planet who supports your view of a non spherical flat earth.
Professor Kostas Skenderis, University of Southhampton (https://www.phys.soton.ac.uk/people/ks8e11)
"Imagine that everything you see, feel and hear in three dimensions (and your perception of time) in fact emanates from a flat two-dimensional field. The idea is similar to that of ordinary holograms where a three-dimensional image is encoded in a two-dimensional surface, such as in the hologram on a credit card. However, this time, the entire universe is encoded." (Link to article. (https://phys.org/news/2017-01-reveals-substantial-evidence-holographic-universe.html) You can also verify he said this by watching his hour-long lecture on the topic, reading his many scientific papers on the topic, and backtracing the quote)
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: SpaceCadet on February 09, 2018, 03:27:25 AM
‘Show me where string theory proves a flat earth’
Search "The Holographic Principle" or "The Information Paradox". Or, y'know, actually click on the links I keep sending you. Or, y'know, actually read the threads you keep posting in.

Why don’t you just look up ISS, watch the live stream, then go and look at Starmans live stream. Once your finished that go into you local university, go to the astronomy dept and ask them what they think regarding the shape of the earth.
If you are going to continue to blatantly ignore the links and evidence and arguments I keep sending you, then an intellectually honest, rational, and productive conversation is impossible. Until you respond to the arguments I am making rather than deflecting or presenting strawman arguments, this conversation is over.

You read things on string theory and the holographic universe, fine. To be honest I know enough about each to fill an area of an average postage stamp.
The people, or physicists, who came up with these ideas, do you think they know their subject area, do you think they can be believed?
If you went up to any string theorist on the planet and asked them, ‘is the earth a sphere or flat’ what do you imagine their answer would be? You like science? What response would you get to the same question if you asked every astronomer on the planet?

Any physicist who claimed the earth was flat would be laughed out of town. That’s why all FE supporters are either just plain mad or delusional in some way. Find me any university course on the planet that teaches the earth is flat.....why is this the case?

Post a link to just one reputable physicist or string theorist who holds a chair at any university on the planet who supports your view of a non spherical flat earth. The same goes for astronomer. Are you not seeing some kind of pattern developing? All the scientific evidence a available  proves the earth is a sphere. You read a piece on the web about the holographic principle, not really understanding it, and you imagine the conclusions you draw from your interpretation form a proof! Dream on.

I think Tessa is running a con here. He is trying to see how long he can use scientific theory to argue against scientific theory or he is using the flat earth debate to hone his knowledge of physics. Either way, he is trolling.

For arguments sake, though my knowledge is quite quite rudimentary, I would say still that if the Holographic Universe theory is true, the earth is still spherical as it is the whole universe that is 2D being projected into 3D. Within the 2D information of the universe, the earth is spherical. The earth is still not flat.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 09, 2018, 03:32:17 AM
...or he is using the flat earth debate to hone his knowledge of physics.
I'm sorry you feel like being knowledgeable in physics is a bad thing.

For arguments sake, though my knowledge is quite quite rudimentary, I would say still that if the Holographic Universe theory is true, the earth is still spherical as it is the whole universe that is 2D being projected into 3D. Within the 2D information of the universe, the earth is spherical. The earth is still not flat.
This comes down to what you are defining as the actual Earth; the information, or the projection of that information.
The information is ultimately in 2D space, so if the 'actual Earth' is the information which describes and encodes everything on that Earth, as well as the energy and material that Earth is projected with, then it is ultimately on a flat 2D surface.

If the projection of the information is the 'actual Earth', then the Earth is round. But I have many issues with taking a projection as actuality.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: SpaceCadet on February 09, 2018, 03:41:16 AM
...or he is using the flat earth debate to hone his knowledge of physics.
I'm sorry you feel like being knowledgeable in physics is a bad thing.

Never said so. Don't feel so.

For arguments sake, though my knowledge is quite quite rudimentary, I would say still that if the Holographic Universe theory is true, the earth is still spherical as it is the whole universe that is 2D being projected into 3D. Within the 2D information of the universe, the earth is spherical. The earth is still not flat.
This comes down to what you are defining as the actual Earth; the information, or the projection of that information.
The information is ultimately in 2D space, so if the 'actual Earth' is the information which describes and encodes everything on that Earth, as well as the energy and material that Earth is projected with, then it is ultimately on a flat 2D surface.

If the projection of the information is the 'actual Earth', then the Earth is round. But I have many issues with taking a projection as actuality.

If the Holographic Universe theory is correct, we are all 3D projections of information encoded in 2D. In that encoding, the earth is spherical. Not flat. If. IF.
Holographic or not, the earth still remains spherical. It still rotates around a spherical sun. It still has a spherical moon in orbit. The great red spot is still on a spherical Jupiter.

Good luck with the troll.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 09, 2018, 03:49:20 AM
If the Holographic Universe theory is correct, we are all 3D projections of information encoded in 2D. In that encoding, the earth is spherical.

We don't know that. It could simply be an emergent property.

There's no way to prove the information specifically encodes a spherical shape, and that it's not just a random result of the laws of physics.

Can you prove the information specifically encodes a 3D sphere?

Also, we too are encoded on this surface. You're claiming that it encodes a 3D sphere, but that implies that the projection is more important than the information itself. Why is our subjective perception of the projection we inhabit a more valid indicator of curvature than a scientific explanation of the nature of space and objects?

Why does us seeing the Earth as round make it so?

Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: totallackey on February 09, 2018, 03:59:01 AM

Yes, its (should be it's for "it is) so frustrating that none of their opinions go beyond, (missed comma) "I'm right, you're wrong, shut up (missed punctuation)" whenever anyone asks an intelligent question.  Another behavioral trait I've noticed, FE supporters written speech (there is no such thing as written speech on this forum) skills seem to be sub-par. Grammar, spelling, general coherence, it seems to be lost on them.

I really would just like an answer as to why they believe these things that are so obviously counter to know (should be "known")scientific principles.
I have taken the time to highlight some errors (and appropriate corrections) in your writing, since you expressed such disregard for lack of skill on the part of others.

You have a great deal of nerve engaging any flat earther about their[/b][/size]writing skills!

Since you are a noob, I will keep this somewhat simple for you: Why don't you go take a long walk on a short pier?
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: rvlvr on February 09, 2018, 04:15:48 AM
Hm, I've always thought it is "off a long pier", but "on a long pier" makes more sense.

Hm, I've always thought it is "off a short pier", but "on a short pier" makes more sense.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: totallackey on February 09, 2018, 04:25:11 AM
Hm, I've always thought it is "off a long pier", but "on a long pier" makes more sense.
I did not write, "long pier."

I wrote, "short pier."
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: rvlvr on February 09, 2018, 04:27:04 AM
Hm, I've always thought it is "off a long pier", but "on a long pier" makes more sense.
I did not write, "long pier."

I wrote, "short pier."
Well I'll be. My bad completely, man! I'll edit my post.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Macarios on February 09, 2018, 05:56:35 AM
If the Holographic Universe theory is correct, we are all 3D projections of information encoded in 2D. In that encoding, the earth is spherical.

We don't know that. It could simply be an emergent property.

There's no way to prove the information specifically encodes a spherical shape, and that it's not just a random result of the laws of physics.

Can you prove the information specifically encodes a 3D sphere?

Also, we too are encoded on this surface. You're claiming that it encodes a 3D sphere, but that implies that the projection is more important than the information itself. Why is our subjective perception of the projection we inhabit a more valid indicator of curvature than a scientific explanation of the nature of space and objects?

Why does us seeing the Earth as round make it so?

First of all, they speculate about "3D info about Space encoded in its 2D boundaries".
For that we would have to have those boundaries.

Second, holographic projection can's be manipulated at the point of projection, it can be manipulated only at the origin.

Third, some hundred years ago they speculated about ether too, but later it was proven that there is no ether.
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: simba on February 09, 2018, 08:52:39 AM
I'm curious, if the Earth is flat, what are the rest of the planets like?

In my view, the other planets have the same physical properties as Earth i.e. they appear and behave spherical but are flat. This is also true of stars, asteroids, and ping-pong balls.

How do you know about the other planets? What source of information do you rely on, have you actually seen either Neptune or Uranus? Please enlighten.

You haven't seen Uranus yet?
Title: Re: Is only Earth flat?
Post by: Lonegranger on February 09, 2018, 02:18:32 PM
Post a link to just one reputable physicist or string theorist who holds a chair at any university on the planet who supports your view of a non spherical flat earth.
Professor Kostas Skenderis, University of Southhampton (https://www.phys.soton.ac.uk/people/ks8e11)
"Imagine that everything you see, feel and hear in three dimensions (and your perception of time) in fact emanates from a flat two-dimensional field. The idea is similar to that of ordinary holograms where a three-dimensional image is encoded in a two-dimensional surface, such as in the hologram on a credit card. However, this time, the entire universe is encoded." (Link to article. (https://phys.org/news/2017-01-reveals-substantial-evidence-holographic-universe.html) You can also verify he said this by watching his hour-long lecture on the topic, reading his many scientific papers on the topic, and backtracing the quote)

Yes but where does he say the earth is flat, or to put it another way, perceived by our senses to be flat. You have an e-mail address on the link, so why don’t you contact him and ask the question. Does he think the earth is flat, and post both your question and his response.
What I feel the problem here is partly one of interpretation and also of cherry picking. If you are trying to use science to prove a point what about this for example by the same author. In this abstract he takes of 4 dimensions rather than 2, are we to then conclude the earth is 4 dimensional? Now the same author appears to be a fan of both Einstein and gravity. I believe you cast doubt on gravity in an earlier post, what do you feel about that, if all what you say is based on a principal you don’t hold with?

We propose a holographic description of four-dimensional single-scalar inflationary We propose a holographic description of four-dimensional single-scalar inflationary universes, and show how cosmological observables, such as the primordial power spectrum, are encoded in the correlation functions of a three-dimensional quantum field theory (QFT). The holographic description correctly reproduces standard inflationary predictions in the regime where a perturbative quantization of fluctuations is justified. In the opposite regime, wherein gravity is strongly coupled at early times, we propose a holographic description in terms of perturbative large N QFT. Initiating a holographic phenomenological approach, we show that models containing only two parameters, N and a dimensionful coupling constant, are capable of satisfying the current observational constraints., and show how cosmological observables, such as the primordial power spectrum, are encoded in the correlation functions of a three-dimensional quantum field theory (QFT). The holographic description correctly reproduces standard inflationary predictions in the regime where a perturbative quantization of fluctuations is justified. In the opposite regime, wherein gravity is strongly coupled at early times, we propose a holographic description in terms of perturbative large N QFT. Initiating a holographic phenomenological approach, we show that models containing only two parameters, N and a dimensionful coupling constant, are capable of satisfying the current observational constraints.

The problem is if you read this paper how much would you honestly  understand? I think very little. Your a cherry picker, skimming of phrases and trying to distort them to support some belief you may have.