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Title: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 06, 2018, 03:20:55 PM


Take a look while the livestream's up.
A simple car that survived being launched up through the atmosphere, survived the friction, and got out into outer space, floating so freely that a camera can not only see its undamaged frame, but the space around it. And look how quickly the stars whoosh by.

Just look.
You can tell the solo company's a bit less practised at this.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Dog on February 06, 2018, 03:33:25 PM
Do you have something specific you want us to educate you on?

We could start with the friction (or rather lack thereof)? Or are you content with your head in the sand?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Here to laugh at you on February 06, 2018, 03:35:46 PM
The tandem booster landing was frikin AWESOME!!!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: ER22 on February 06, 2018, 03:43:26 PM


Take a look while the livestream's up.
A simple car that survived being launched up through the atmosphere, survived the friction, and got out into outer space, floating so freely that a camera can not only see its undamaged frame, but the space around it. And look how quickly the stars whoosh by.

Just look.
You can tell the solo company's a bit less practised at this.

A car launched through the atmosphere?
Was the car attached to the outside of the rocket?
Do tell.

What about the two rockets landing?
Or was David Copperfield involved?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 06, 2018, 04:26:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVYoAuiW0AAl2Rv.jpg)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: MicroBeta on February 06, 2018, 04:34:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVYoAuiW0AAl2Rv.jpg)
That reminds me of the movie Heavy Metal. :D

Mike
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: alexLUD on February 06, 2018, 04:59:16 PM
It was encased in the faring.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 06, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Do you have something specific you want us to educate you on?

We could start with the friction (or rather lack thereof)? Or are you content with your head in the sand?
You could start with all the issues I mentioned in the post rather than ignoring them.
The friction. The speed of the stars (especially when compared to the speed of the Earth; even that footage near the end of the Earth's reflection vanishing into the distance rather than rotating out of view).

I appreciate SpaceX's sense of humor, but you cannot really be buying this.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 06, 2018, 05:29:09 PM
Well as stated, there was a capsule to protect the car.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Alpha2Omega on February 06, 2018, 07:48:28 PM


Take a look while the livestream's up.
A simple car that survived being launched up through the atmosphere, survived the friction, and got out into outer space, floating so freely that a camera can not only see its undamaged frame, but the space around it. And look how quickly the stars whoosh by.

Just look.
You can tell the solo company's a bit less practised at this.

I'm not seeing any "whooshing stars". Can you provide an example? Was the system turning when you saw that? If you don't know what's happening, something like that can be confusing.

Why would the frame be damaged? I suspect a car has a frame that's a lot stronger for its size and mass than most purpose-built spacecraft not intended to survive re-entry, yet such spacecraft are launched, with no frame damage, routinely.

This stunt, and that's what it is because its an experimental launch so they wanted to launch inexpensive ballast (and, yes, even a Tesla Roadster - especially since they can get it for less than retail - is very inexpensive in this context), so they launched a car, brings a couple of ideas for memes to mind.

Maybe someone with better graphic skillz than I have can do something with:

"In the '60s we had TELSTAR. In the 21st century we now have TEsLaSTAR!"

And...

"Cars to Mars!"

Still, I can see why a demonstration of capability like this would put anyone who wants to believe the earth is flat into an absolute lather, especially since it was done with a sense of humor. Your first inclination to simply lash out is completely understandable.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 06, 2018, 09:31:22 PM
...
I knew you wouldn't take long to comment.

You never disappoint.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: GeminiAbdulaziz on February 06, 2018, 09:37:32 PM
I am not sure, I know they are very capable when it comes to CG

but honestly what is the logical answer and how an Flat Earther can respond to the event? if its fake what are the reasons?

Also I would like to know why we cant see any satellites or stars?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 06, 2018, 09:49:45 PM
The FE space is getting smaller and smaller.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 06, 2018, 09:55:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVYoAuiW0AAl2Rv.jpg)
That reminds me of the movie Heavy Metal. :D

Mike
I am afraid something like that will be brought up as proof against the flight.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 06, 2018, 11:38:59 PM
Friction.....what do you know about friction other than the obvious!
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/06/science/falcon-heavy-spacex-launch.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/06/science/falcon-heavy-spacex-launch.html)

The whole Space X reality really gets all you flat earthers running around in a spin desperately  making up all sorts of excuses to explain it away.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 06, 2018, 11:47:58 PM
Looks like Space X got some of their calculations  wrong with their roadster now heading to the asteroid belt rather than Mars! Was their main mistake not asking the PaPa teabag and JRowe to check their workings!

Possibly they forgot to factor in the friction! What do you think JRowe?

While you hear tell us all you know about friction and stars, shouldnít take you long given what you know!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: MicroBeta on February 07, 2018, 03:27:16 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVYoAuiW0AAl2Rv.jpg)
That reminds me of the movie Heavy Metal. :D

Mike
I am afraid something like that will be brought up as proof against the flight.
With out a doubt it happened. The accomplishment is very cool...so is Heavy Metal. ) :D

Mike
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 07, 2018, 03:33:06 AM
Hey, the soundtrack has Blue ÷yster Cult. That alone elevates it to lofty heights!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: PiAreSquared on February 07, 2018, 07:07:46 AM


Take a look while the livestream's up.
A simple car that survived being launched up through the atmosphere, survived the friction, and got out into outer space, floating so freely that a camera can not only see its undamaged frame, but the space around it. And look how quickly the stars whoosh by.

Just look.
You can tell the solo company's a bit less practised at this.

Apparently you didn't lift one finger to even *try* to understand how the launch went and how the car got out there? Did you even watch the launch? You just come here and shoot from the hip with ridiculous assumptions? I guess that is the only way to explain away SpaceX for flat earthers. Blind ignorance.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: PiAreSquared on February 07, 2018, 07:18:41 AM
I suppose this uncut footage is fake too? lol

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 07, 2018, 08:57:47 AM
Of course it's fake.  But the 2 double sonic booms at the very end were a nice touch.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 09:24:48 AM
Still, I can see why a demonstration of capability like this would put anyone who wants to believe the earth is flat into an absolute lather, especially since it was done with a sense of humor. Your first inclination to simply lash out is completely understandable.
It looks a lot more like you roundies are in a tizzy to me.
I just pointed out a few oddities, and said I appreciated the humor, and look at how mad you're all getting.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Alpha2Omega on February 07, 2018, 09:47:45 AM
Still, I can see why a demonstration of capability like this would put anyone who wants to believe the earth is flat into an absolute lather, especially since it was done with a sense of humor. Your first inclination to simply lash out is completely understandable.
It looks a lot more like you roundies are in a tizzy to me.
I just pointed out a few oddities, and said I appreciated the humor, and look at how mad you're all getting.

We just think it's really cool. Because it is.

You mentioned some things you considered oddities and were asked about them. Did you ever answer?

I'm not seeing any "whooshing stars". Can you provide an example?

Why would the frame be damaged?

You did mention that you appreciate the humor, but seem bitter about it.

Anyway...

"Whooshing stars"?

"Frame damage"?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 07, 2018, 09:49:11 AM
At least one person caught the third burn.

https://mobile.twitter.com/astroengine/status/961072877771436032
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 09:58:52 AM
You mentioned some things you considered oddities and were asked about them. Did you ever answer?
Yes as you well know, the thread isn't that long.
Did you ever watch the video? Look for any time you can see the stars, look how they go!
I'd also suggest taking the time to read the OP where not only are my objections raised, but they're explained.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 07, 2018, 10:03:46 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp? 
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 10:05:42 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 10:34:14 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Haven't seen the stars yet on the video but what friction are you talking about and why would the frame be damaged?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 10:37:02 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Haven't seen the stars yet on the video but what friction are you talking about and why would the frame be damaged?
Try getting out of the atmosphere sometime.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 10:43:21 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Haven't seen the stars yet on the video but what friction are you talking about and why would the frame be damaged?
Try getting out of the atmosphere sometime.
Ok.  What friction should the car have been subject to and why should the frame be bent?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 10:44:24 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Haven't seen the stars yet on the video but what friction are you talking about and why would the frame be damaged?
Try getting out of the atmosphere sometime.
Ok.  What friction should the car have been subject to and why should the frame be bent?
Again, still try getting out of the atmosphere, especially with the car with a clear view of outside.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 10:45:58 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Haven't seen the stars yet on the video but what friction are you talking about and why would the frame be damaged?
Try getting out of the atmosphere sometime.
Ok.  What friction should the car have been subject to and why should the frame be bent?
Again, still try getting out of the atmosphere, especially with the car with a clear view of outside.
Can you not directly answer a question directly asked?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 10:49:18 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Haven't seen the stars yet on the video but what friction are you talking about and why would the frame be damaged?
Try getting out of the atmosphere sometime.
Ok.  What friction should the car have been subject to and why should the frame be bent?
Again, still try getting out of the atmosphere, especially with the car with a clear view of outside.
Can you not directly answer a question directly asked?

That is the answer.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 10:51:05 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Haven't seen the stars yet on the video but what friction are you talking about and why would the frame be damaged?
Try getting out of the atmosphere sometime.
Ok.  What friction should the car have been subject to and why should the frame be bent?
Again, still try getting out of the atmosphere, especially with the car with a clear view of outside.
Can you not directly answer a question directly asked?

That is the answer.
No it isn't.  What friction was the car exposed to?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 07, 2018, 10:51:25 AM
Argument by intentional ignorance.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 10:51:54 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Haven't seen the stars yet on the video but what friction are you talking about and why would the frame be damaged?
Try getting out of the atmosphere sometime.
Ok.  What friction should the car have been subject to and why should the frame be bent?
Again, still try getting out of the atmosphere, especially with the car with a clear view of outside.
Can you not directly answer a question directly asked?

That is the answer.
No it isn't.  What friction was the car exposed to?

Free view of the outside.
Enough force to get itno space.
Guess.

It's in pristine condition. How much force do you think it was under?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 10:54:18 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Haven't seen the stars yet on the video but what friction are you talking about and why would the frame be damaged?
Try getting out of the atmosphere sometime.
Ok.  What friction should the car have been subject to and why should the frame be bent?
Again, still try getting out of the atmosphere, especially with the car with a clear view of outside.
Can you not directly answer a question directly asked?

That is the answer.
No it isn't.  What friction was the car exposed to?

Free view of the outside.
Enough force to get itno space.
Guess.

It's in pristine condition. How much force do you think it was under?
Seriously, it's a simple question.  I'm just asking for clarification on a claim you seem to be making.  Specifically what friction on the car are you talking about?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 07, 2018, 11:07:48 AM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Haven't seen the stars yet on the video but what friction are you talking about and why would the frame be damaged?
Try getting out of the atmosphere sometime.
Ok.  What friction should the car have been subject to and why should the frame be bent?
Again, still try getting out of the atmosphere, especially with the car with a clear view of outside.
Umm...  Did you miss the part where the shroud protecting the car wasn't discarded until the rocket was above the atmosphere?  It happened just after the second stage burn started.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 11:25:55 AM
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Seriously, it's a simple question.  I'm just asking for clarification on a claim you seem to be making.  Specifically what friction on the car are you talking about?
Literally everything it should be in contact with. Do you not know the definition of friction? I am not being vague here.

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Umm...  Did you miss the part where the shroud protecting the car wasn't discarded until the rocket was above the atmosphere?  It happened just after the second stage burn started.
And if you want to ignore all the issues with an airtight covering that can be easily discarded without brushing past the car, go ahead. And have you ever heard of g-forces? It's hardly strapped to a chair.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 11:32:36 AM
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Seriously, it's a simple question.  I'm just asking for clarification on a claim you seem to be making.  Specifically what friction on the car are you talking about?
Literally everything it should be in contact with. Do you not know the definition of friction? I am not being vague here.

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Umm...  Did you miss the part where the shroud protecting the car wasn't discarded until the rocket was above the atmosphere?  It happened just after the second stage burn started.
And if you want to ignore all the issues with an airtight covering that can be easily discarded without brushing past the car, go ahead. And have you ever heard of g-forces? It's hardly strapped to a chair.
I think the only thing it was in contact with was the interior of the ship.  So where would the friction come from?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 07, 2018, 11:47:38 AM
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Umm...  Did you miss the part where the shroud protecting the car wasn't discarded until the rocket was above the atmosphere?  It happened just after the second stage burn started.
And if you want to ignore all the issues with an airtight covering that can be easily discarded without brushing past the car, go ahead. And have you ever heard of g-forces? It's hardly strapped to a chair.
Are you serious? 

Seriously, are you serious? 

After 47 successful launches of a Falcon 9, you think that SpaceX doesn't know how to properly secure a payload or separate a fairing?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 07, 2018, 11:49:05 AM
JRowe seems to act in line with many FE'ers. He does not understand it, hence it is not possible. And damn the torpedoes.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 11:51:15 AM
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Seriously, it's a simple question.  I'm just asking for clarification on a claim you seem to be making.  Specifically what friction on the car are you talking about?
Literally everything it should be in contact with. Do you not know the definition of friction? I am not being vague here.

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Umm...  Did you miss the part where the shroud protecting the car wasn't discarded until the rocket was above the atmosphere?  It happened just after the second stage burn started.
And if you want to ignore all the issues with an airtight covering that can be easily discarded without brushing past the car, go ahead. And have you ever heard of g-forces? It's hardly strapped to a chair.
I think the only thing it was in contact with was the interior of the ship.  So where would the friction come from?
Are you being serious?

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Umm...  Did you miss the part where the shroud protecting the car wasn't discarded until the rocket was above the atmosphere?  It happened just after the second stage burn started.
And if you want to ignore all the issues with an airtight covering that can be easily discarded without brushing past the car, go ahead. And have you ever heard of g-forces? It's hardly strapped to a chair.
Are you serious? 

Seriously, are you serious? 

After 47 successful launches of a Falcon 9, you think that SpaceX doesn't know how to properly secure a payload or separate a fairing?
47 successful launches, sure.
It's the old boil a frog trick. If they build up to it, you don't notice when you're being boiled alive.
This is an absurdity. Look at it in its own merits, not how well it lies up to their past propaganda.

JRowe seems to act in line with many FE'ers. He does not understand it, hence it is not possible. And damn the torpedoes.
You sound insecure.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 11:55:12 AM
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Seriously, it's a simple question.  I'm just asking for clarification on a claim you seem to be making.  Specifically what friction on the car are you talking about?
Literally everything it should be in contact with. Do you not know the definition of friction? I am not being vague here.

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Umm...  Did you miss the part where the shroud protecting the car wasn't discarded until the rocket was above the atmosphere?  It happened just after the second stage burn started.
And if you want to ignore all the issues with an airtight covering that can be easily discarded without brushing past the car, go ahead. And have you ever heard of g-forces? It's hardly strapped to a chair.
I think the only thing it was in contact with was the interior of the ship.  So where would the friction come from?
Are you being serious?

Completely serious, which is why I asked the question.  What is supposed to be causing the friction?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 11:56:35 AM
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Seriously, it's a simple question.  I'm just asking for clarification on a claim you seem to be making.  Specifically what friction on the car are you talking about?
Literally everything it should be in contact with. Do you not know the definition of friction? I am not being vague here.

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Umm...  Did you miss the part where the shroud protecting the car wasn't discarded until the rocket was above the atmosphere?  It happened just after the second stage burn started.
And if you want to ignore all the issues with an airtight covering that can be easily discarded without brushing past the car, go ahead. And have you ever heard of g-forces? It's hardly strapped to a chair.
I think the only thing it was in contact with was the interior of the ship.  So where would the friction come from?
Are you being serious?

Completely serious, which is why I asked the question.  What is supposed to be causing the friction?
I refer you to my answer to markjo.

Even if you want to ignore all the problems with protecting an object until it's out of the atmosphere, and then unveiling it with limited control and not damaging it, you have g forces acting on an object in contact with a surface.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 07, 2018, 11:59:31 AM
47 successful launches, sure.
It's the old boil a frog trick. If they build up to it, you don't notice when you're being boiled alive.
This is an absurdity. Look at it in its own merits, not how well it lies up to their past propaganda.
So you don't actually have any argument except your own incredulity?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 12:03:31 PM
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Seriously, it's a simple question.  I'm just asking for clarification on a claim you seem to be making.  Specifically what friction on the car are you talking about?
Literally everything it should be in contact with. Do you not know the definition of friction? I am not being vague here.

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Umm...  Did you miss the part where the shroud protecting the car wasn't discarded until the rocket was above the atmosphere?  It happened just after the second stage burn started.
And if you want to ignore all the issues with an airtight covering that can be easily discarded without brushing past the car, go ahead. And have you ever heard of g-forces? It's hardly strapped to a chair.
I think the only thing it was in contact with was the interior of the ship.  So where would the friction come from?
Are you being serious?

Completely serious, which is why I asked the question.  What is supposed to be causing the friction?
I refer you to my answer to markjo.

Even if you want to ignore all the problems with protecting an object until it's out of the atmosphere, and then unveiling it with limited control and not damaging it, you have g forces acting on an object in contact with a surface.
Notice how you still haven't actually answered the question?  Are you saying it's exposed to the atmosphere during the launch?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: wlmraziel on February 07, 2018, 12:04:46 PM
R.I.P. FLAT EARTH AHAHAHAHAHAHA. THANKS SpaceX NO GO PRO, NO CGI... SCIENCE BITCH!!! IF YOU SAY  FAKE... PROVE IT FIRST
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Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Data on February 07, 2018, 12:17:36 PM


Take a look while the livestream's up.
A simple car that survived being launched up through the atmosphere, survived the friction, and got out into outer space, floating so freely that a camera can not only see its undamaged frame, but the space around it. And look how quickly the stars whoosh by.

Just look.
You can tell the solo company's a bit less practised at this.

Dude.....the car wouldn't have experienced any external friction due to being enclosed in the capsule faring.  The faring opened once the rocket was out of the atmosphere in an environment of.....NO FRICTION.  Air or atmosphere or some such surrounding is required to produce friction, with vacuum being absent of anything that would cause friction.  The car easily made it to space without damage.

Stars whooshing by.....wow.  As you know the only star within 4 light years of Earth is our star, the Sun.  The journey to the sun would itself take months and months.  The only way you would see stars in the distance whooshing by is of the craft was traveling near light speed.  I know it is difficult to understand because the distances involved are so vast. 

I do not understand how you can deduct that the live, uncut, 1 shot, video is fake...thousands of people have witnessed hundreds of launches.  You can tell CG from real life and these videos are clearly real. 
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Copper Knickers on February 07, 2018, 12:30:13 PM
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Seriously, it's a simple question.  I'm just asking for clarification on a claim you seem to be making.  Specifically what friction on the car are you talking about?
Literally everything it should be in contact with. Do you not know the definition of friction? I am not being vague here.

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Umm...  Did you miss the part where the shroud protecting the car wasn't discarded until the rocket was above the atmosphere?  It happened just after the second stage burn started.
And if you want to ignore all the issues with an airtight covering that can be easily discarded without brushing past the car, go ahead. And have you ever heard of g-forces? It's hardly strapped to a chair.

I don't know if this will help you at all, but here's the sequence when the fairing surrounding the cargo bay was jettisoned. As you can see, it's well above the atmosphere by this point.

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: hoppy on February 07, 2018, 12:55:59 PM
You guys that believe that the car is actually flying through space are pathetic and laughable. How hot do you think the black seatbelt fabric and the seats are? Satellites get to thousands of degrees but the metal doesn't melt or burn up because of magic. Do you think the seatbelts are magic? You fanboys are like pathetic children who have believed in Santa Claus for way too long. Lol.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 07, 2018, 01:00:56 PM
Satellites get to thousands of degrees
Incorrect. (In Fahrenheit, Celsius, or Kelvin.)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 01:04:34 PM
R.I.P. FLAT EARTH AHAHAHAHAHAHA. THANKS SpaceX NO GO PRO, NO CGI... SCIENCE BITCH!!! IF YOU SAY  FAKE... PROVE IT FIRST


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I'm so sorry but obviously fake.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: wlmraziel on February 07, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
R.I.P. FLAT EARTH AHAHAHAHAHAHA. THANKS SpaceX NO GO PRO, NO CGI... SCIENCE BITCH!!! IF YOU SAY  FAKE... PROVE IT FIRST


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(https://i.hizliresim.com/NZl9kQ.png)

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I'm so sorry but obviously fake.
And this HAHAHAHAHAHAH R.I.P. FE. Is no gopro retard  'cause there are not deformation in the image. You don't know how a go pro cam works hahahahahah retard THE EARTH IS NOT FLAT. ELON MUSK BURY  THE FE
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Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 07, 2018, 01:14:21 PM
[Image annotations]
Please learn how geometry works. Maybe get a camera and take some photos yourself.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 02:07:22 PM
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Stars whooshing by.....wow.  As you know the only star within 4 light years of Earth is our star, the Sun.  The journey to the sun would itself take months and months.  The only way you would see stars in the distance whooshing by is of the craft was traveling near light speed.  I know it is difficult to understand because the distances involved are so vast. 
Three hour mark. You can actually see them. Watch the damn video.

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Notice how you still haven't actually answered the question?  Are you saying it's exposed to the atmosphere during the launch?
How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.



You can see the Earth's reflection vanishing despite occupying the same basic location on the car's side; impossible by rotation, only possible by moving far away, but it isn't moving that fast.

Also:

You can see a star to the right there. There is no explanation for that speed.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 02:31:00 PM
You guys that believe that the car is actually flying through space are pathetic and laughable. How hot do you think the black seatbelt fabric and the seats are? Satellites get to thousands of degrees but the metal doesn't melt or burn up because of magic. Do you think the seatbelts are magic? You fanboys are like pathetic children who have believed in Santa Claus for way too long. Lol.

Explain why they should get hot?
I actually know what your going to say, but reading your totally ignorant answer should raise a laugh. . Your misunderstanding and ignorance surrounding atmospheric related physics is just so funny.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 02:39:44 PM
JRowe I am astounded at your ability to avoid a simple question.
Is it the atmosphere that you think should be causing friction on it?  If not, what?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 02:43:01 PM
JRowe I am astounded at your ability to avoid a simple question.
Is it the atmosphere that you think should be causing friction on it?  If not, what?
You're seriously going to sit there and claim I'm evading?!
This didn't actually happen. i couldn't tell you what would or wouldn't happen because there's nothing to tell. There are a billion possible set-ups you could use, some where it is the atmosphere, some where it isn't. What matters is when you put it all together. So look at it, and tell me rather than avoiding the issue:

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How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 02:43:06 PM
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Stars whooshing by.....wow.  As you know the only star within 4 light years of Earth is our star, the Sun.  The journey to the sun would itself take months and months.  The only way you would see stars in the distance whooshing by is of the craft was traveling near light speed.  I know it is difficult to understand because the distances involved are so vast. 
Three hour mark. You can actually see them. Watch the damn video.

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Notice how you still haven't actually answered the question?  Are you saying it's exposed to the atmosphere during the launch?
How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.



You can see the Earth's reflection vanishing despite occupying the same basic location on the car's side; impossible by rotation, only possible by moving far away, but it isn't moving that fast.

Also:

You can see a star to the right there. There is no explanation for that speed.

To be honest Iím not sure what those objects are, could be small fragment of dust being illuminated by sunlight or other satelites with sunlight reflecting off them. Whatever they are they are being illuminated by the sun. Given what the camera is exposing for its not stars, they would be too dim to show up. Go out during the day and try to photograph the stars, they are still there, not gone away, just too dim to see! A bit like you really dim!
You flat earthers must really hate this stuff as it kills stone dead your prehistoric beliefs.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
To be honest Iím not sure what those objects are, could be small fragment of dust being illuminated by sunlight or other satelites with sunlight reflecting off them. Whatever they are they are being illuminated by the sun. Given what the camera is exposing for its not stars, they would be too dim to show up. Go out during the day and try to photograph the stars, they are still there, not gone away, just too dim to see! A bit like you really dim!
You flat earthers must really hate this stuff as it kills stone dead your prehistoric beliefs.
Aww, scared?
"I don't know, but you're wrong! you've got to be! WAAAAA MOMMY!!"
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 02:50:22 PM
To be honest Iím not sure what those objects are, could be small fragment of dust being illuminated by sunlight or other satelites with sunlight reflecting off them. Whatever they are they are being illuminated by the sun. Given what the camera is exposing for its not stars, they would be too dim to show up. Go out during the day and try to photograph the stars, they are still there, not gone away, just too dim to see! A bit like you really dim!
You flat earthers must really hate this stuff as it kills stone dead your prehistoric beliefs.
Aww, scared?
"I don't know, but you're wrong! you've got to be! WAAAAA MOMMY!!"

I know! You must love being wrong, youíve made a career out of it.
Spectroscopy
Stars
Satelites
Shape of the earth
DE bullshit
Little magnetic imps
Relativity
Itís a long long wrong list. At least your consistent.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Copper Knickers on February 07, 2018, 02:53:19 PM
How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.

The chamber wasn't on the side, it was on the top. Did you watch the launch? I wouldn't think it would be airtight but rather would be allowed to depressurise as the rocket gained altitude.

How feasible? Well it's been done hundreds of times for the launch of satellites, so presumably not that difficult.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 02:54:35 PM
JRowe I am astounded at your ability to avoid a simple question.
Is it the atmosphere that you think should be causing friction on it?  If not, what?
You're seriously going to sit there and claim I'm evading?!
This didn't actually happen. i couldn't tell you what would or wouldn't happen because there's nothing to tell. There are a billion possible set-ups you could use, some where it is the atmosphere, some where it isn't. What matters is when you put it all together. So look at it, and tell me rather than avoiding the issue:

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How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.
Yes I do claim that because you have answered every time with a question.
You brought up friction.  I asked friction from what?
You then responded with more questions about what I thought possible.
Can you not simply say, friction from the atmosphere, friction from aether, or whatever?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 02:56:08 PM
Oh what a surprise, the latest is he overshot Mars and is headed towards the asteroid belt. He probably got nervous people were onto his con job so he's writing off the stunt a mere day after launch.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 02:57:53 PM
How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.

The chamber wasn't on the side, it was on the top. Did you watch the launch? I wouldn't think it would be airtight but rather would be allowed to depressurise as the rocket gained altitude.

How feasible? Well it's been done hundreds of times for the launch of satellites, so presumably not that difficult.
Great, that just makes it even harder to get rid of the covering. And depressurising will still exert a lot of friction given the rate of it, even if air and heat can't get back in. Which it can, but whatever.
No it hasn't been done hundreds of times for the launch of satellites, and the fact you need to refer to that clinches it.

You're a boiled frog. You get fed the lie over and over and you know that if you compare it to what you know, it's nonsense, so you have to compare it to all the middle steps they've given you as they've turned the temperature up. Look at that, you just do it without even thinking.

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Yes I do claim that because you have answered every time with a question.
You brought up friction.  I asked friction from what?
You then responded with more questions about what I thought possible.
Can you not simply say, friction from the atmosphere, friction from aether, or whatever?
Jesus christ this is pathetic. Stop ignoring me.
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This didn't actually happen. i couldn't tell you what would or wouldn't happen because there's nothing to tell. There are a billion possible set-ups you could use, some where it is the atmosphere, some where it isn't. What matters is when you put it all together. So look at it, and tell me rather than avoiding the issue:
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How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.
You are asking me to tell you the details of something that didn't happen. I can't. No one can. It doesn't matter. It didn't happen.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 03:03:22 PM
How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.

The chamber wasn't on the side, it was on the top. Did you watch the launch? I wouldn't think it would be airtight but rather would be allowed to depressurise as the rocket gained altitude.

How feasible? Well it's been done hundreds of times for the launch of satellites, so presumably not that difficult.
Great, that just makes it even harder to get rid of the covering. And depressurising will still exert a lot of friction given the rate of it, even if air and heat can't get back in. Which it can, but whatever.
No it hasn't been done hundreds of times for the launch of satellites, and the fact you need to refer to that clinches it.

You're a boiled frog. You get fed the lie over and over and you know that if you compare it to what you know, it's nonsense, so you have to compare it to all the middle steps they've given you as they've turned the temperature up. Look at that, you just do it without even thinking.

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Yes I do claim that because you have answered every time with a question.
You brought up friction.  I asked friction from what?
You then responded with more questions about what I thought possible.
Can you not simply say, friction from the atmosphere, friction from aether, or whatever?
Jesus christ this is pathetic. Stop ignoring me.
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This didn't actually happen. i couldn't tell you what would or wouldn't happen because there's nothing to tell. There are a billion possible set-ups you could use, some where it is the atmosphere, some where it isn't. What matters is when you put it all together. So look at it, and tell me rather than avoiding the issue:
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How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.
You are asking me to tell you the details of something that didn't happen. I can't. No one can. It doesn't matter. It didn't happen.
Then why did you bring up that friction on the car would be a problem?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 03:06:33 PM
Then why did you bring up that friction on the car would be a problem?
READ. MY. FUCKING. POSTS.
God this is just pathetic at this point.

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How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.

DO YOU NOT SEE HOW FRICTION IS ONE OF THE ISSUES IT COULD FACE?!?!??!?!?!?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 03:09:53 PM
Then why did you bring up that friction on the car would be a problem?
READ. MY. FUCKING. POSTS.
God this is just pathetic at this point.

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How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.

DO YOU NOT SEE HOW FRICTION IS ONE OF THE ISSUES IT COULD FACE?!?!??!?!?!?
Can you not see how you answered a question with a question about what I thought was feasible?  When the question was simply what is causing the friction?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 03:14:07 PM
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Can you not see how you answered a question with a question about what I thought was feasible?  When the question was simply what is causing the friction?
ARE YOU FICKING BLIND?!??!?
God
Fucking
Damn

Do you have the memory of a godlfish? We literally just went over this.

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This didn't actually happen. i couldn't tell you what would or wouldn't happen because there's nothing to tell. There are a billion possible set-ups you could use, some where it is the atmosphere, some where it isn't. What matters is when you put it all together. So look at it, and tell me rather than avoiding the issue:

You want me to be making an argument I'm not making. Shut up for one minute. Read what I said. Actually think about it. Think about the conclusions. Respond to THAT argument rather then demanding I explain something completely fucking different. I am not going to put up with more of this roundie bullshit.
There's friction in some set-ups, not in others. Those other set-ups face the other problems. Compared as a whole, it makes no sense. Which is why I am asking you the quetsion you are STILL evading (all the while whinging I'm evading you like some kind of fucking hypocrite)

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How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.

You've been answered. Are you going to answer me at any stage?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 07, 2018, 03:14:18 PM
How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber...
Why should the fairing need to be perfectly airtight?  ???

...that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere...
Umm...  Why should the fairing be struck on the side?  Do you understand anything at all about aerodynamics and which way the rocket is pointed?

... that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
It opens like a big clam shell carrying a small car.  It really isn't that difficult.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 03:17:13 PM
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Why should the fairing need to be perfectly airtight?  ???
Good luck dealing with the friction of the air blasting up out of the atmosphere otherwise.

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Umm...  Why should the fairing be struck on the side?  Do you understand anything at all about aerodynamics and which way the rocket is pointed?
Just making it easier for getting it off. If you want to stick it on the front, good luck to you.

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It opens like a big clam shell carrying a small car.  It really isn't that difficult.
Good luck to you securing that. All that weight on one hinge. Momentum still exists even if you waited until vacuum.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: spacess on February 07, 2018, 03:17:51 PM
Hi guys I found something like this.
(https://image.ibb.co/bTyhYx/php5_LSz_Jw.jpg)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Copper Knickers on February 07, 2018, 03:18:15 PM
How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.

The chamber wasn't on the side, it was on the top. Did you watch the launch? I wouldn't think it would be airtight but rather would be allowed to depressurise as the rocket gained altitude.

How feasible? Well it's been done hundreds of times for the launch of satellites, so presumably not that difficult.
Great, that just makes it even harder to get rid of the covering. And depressurising will still exert a lot of friction given the rate of it, even if air and heat can't get back in. Which it can, but whatever.
No it hasn't been done hundreds of times for the launch of satellites, and the fact you need to refer to that clinches it.

1. Build rocket.
2. Put car on top.
3. Put fairing round car.
4. Launch rocket.
5. When rocket high enough, jettison fairing, like so:



Which bit do you think is too hard?

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You're a boiled frog. You get fed the lie over and over and you know that if you compare it to what you know, it's nonsense, so you have to compare it to all the middle steps they've given you as they've turned the temperature up. Look at that, you just do it without even thinking.

I'm not sure how you think this helps your case. A valid point from a 'boiled frog' is still a valid point. Argue the point, not the man or frog.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 07, 2018, 03:19:25 PM
Oh what a surprise, the latest is he overshot Mars and is headed towards the asteroid belt. He probably got nervous people were onto his con job so he's writing off the stunt a mere day after launch.
Who's writing what off?  It was a test flight to make sure the 3 cores could work together as advertised (and they did, quite nicely).  Sending the roadster to Mars was just to make what would otherwise be boring payload more interesting.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on February 07, 2018, 03:23:20 PM
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Which bit do you think is too hard?
Getting a fairing both secure enough and airtight enough to let the car survive, and still be able to jettison it. Like I'd already made clear several times over. Reading isn't your strong suit is it?

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I'm not sure how you think this helps your case. A valid point from a 'boiled frog' is still a valid point. Argue the point, not the man or frog.
Reading really isn't your strong suit huh?
If you put a frog in boiling water, it'll jump out. But put it in cold water and crank the heat up, it won't notice until it dies.
They raised the heat with dribbles of bullshit, until now you buy even this, and you only buy it because they acclimatized you to it. Judge it on its own terms.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 03:26:31 PM
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Which bit do you think is too hard?
Getting a fairing both secure enough and airtight enough to let the car survive, and still be able to jettison it. Like I'd already made clear several times over. Reading isn't your strong suit is it?

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I'm not sure how you think this helps your case. A valid point from a 'boiled frog' is still a valid point. Argue the point, not the man or frog.
Reading really isn't your strong suit huh?
If you put a frog in boiling water, it'll jump out. But put it in cold water and crank the heat up, it won't notice until it dies.
They raised the heat with dribbles of bullshit, until now you buy even this, and you only buy it because they acclimatized you to it. Judge it on its own terms.

Proof is something you find great difficulty with. The SpaceX video proves all your beliefs are pure bullshit. When have you ever presented anything resembling a proof to the ideas you present?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 07, 2018, 03:27:25 PM
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Why should the fairing need to be perfectly airtight?  ???
Good luck dealing with the friction of the air blasting up out of the atmosphere otherwise.
Since when does aerodynamic mean airtight?

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Umm...  Why should the fairing be struck on the side?  Do you understand anything at all about aerodynamics and which way the rocket is pointed?
Just making it easier for getting it off. If you want to stick it on the front, good luck to you.
I'll take that as a no (which explains a whole lot).

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It opens like a big clam shell carrying a small car.  It really isn't that difficult.
Good luck to you securing that. All that weight on one hinge. Momentum still exists even if you waited until vacuum.
Doesn't look like a problem to me:
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 07, 2018, 03:29:08 PM
Lots and lots of assumptions.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Copper Knickers on February 07, 2018, 03:30:45 PM
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Which bit do you think is too hard?
Getting a fairing both secure enough and airtight enough to let the car survive, and still be able to jettison it. Like I'd already made clear several times over. Reading isn't your strong suit is it?

Why do you think that would be too hard?

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I'm not sure how you think this helps your case. A valid point from a 'boiled frog' is still a valid point. Argue the point, not the man or frog.
Reading really isn't your strong suit huh?
If you put a frog in boiling water, it'll jump out. But put it in cold water and crank the heat up, it won't notice until it dies.
They raised the heat with dribbles of bullshit, until now you buy even this, and you only buy it because they acclimatized you to it. Judge it on its own terms.

My point, which I didn't hide, is that you should argue with what I'm saying rather than my frog-like status (or my reading ability).
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 07, 2018, 04:04:37 PM
You guys are the best entertainment. Thank you!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 07, 2018, 04:05:08 PM
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Can you not see how you answered a question with a question about what I thought was feasible?  When the question was simply what is causing the friction?
ARE YOU FICKING BLIND?!??!?
God
Fucking
Damn

Do you have the memory of a godlfish? We literally just went over this.

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This didn't actually happen. i couldn't tell you what would or wouldn't happen because there's nothing to tell. There are a billion possible set-ups you could use, some where it is the atmosphere, some where it isn't. What matters is when you put it all together. So look at it, and tell me rather than avoiding the issue:

You want me to be making an argument I'm not making. Shut up for one minute. Read what I said. Actually think about it. Think about the conclusions. Respond to THAT argument rather then demanding I explain something completely fucking different. I am not going to put up with more of this roundie bullshit.
There's friction in some set-ups, not in others. Those other set-ups face the other problems. Compared as a whole, it makes no sense. Which is why I am asking you the quetsion you are STILL evading (all the while whinging I'm evading you like some kind of fucking hypocrite)

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How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.

You've been answered. Are you going to answer me at any stage?
You did make the argument that friction would be a problem.  I did back you into any corner or put those words n your mouth.  Now you are saying you didn't.
Why is this so hard for you?
But I will answer your question.  Is it feasible that they could build a system to keep the atmosphere out and the eject said covering?
Absolutely.  Every fighter plane has a system for doing that.
So, are you saying the friction YOU claimed would be a problem is coming from the atmosphere?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: ER22 on February 07, 2018, 04:08:19 PM
I think you are the only one that saw stars. Do you have a time stamp?
Little past the three hour mark. Pay special attention to how the Earth dwindles into the distance in the reflection rather than being cut off as the car rotated, when no possible movement could justify that, especially when the Earth pops up again later.
Haven't seen the stars yet on the video but what friction are you talking about and why would the frame be damaged?
Try getting out of the atmosphere sometime.
Ok.  What friction should the car have been subject to and why should the frame be bent?

Because that's the way he argues.
If the video had shown the car with burned up paint from the friction
And the frame all twisted and bent

He would say "Well that proves it's a fake,
If there was that much stress on the car, how could the rocket survive it?"
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 07, 2018, 04:15:19 PM
You did make the argument that friction would be a problem.
No, he made an assertion that friction would be a problem.  Calling it an argument would suggest that he made some sort of point.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Alpha2Omega on February 07, 2018, 04:32:23 PM
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Stars whooshing by.....wow.  As you know the only star within 4 light years of Earth is our star, the Sun.  The journey to the sun would itself take months and months.  The only way you would see stars in the distance whooshing by is of the craft was traveling near light speed.  I know it is difficult to understand because the distances involved are so vast. 
Three hour mark. You can actually see them. Watch the damn video.

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Notice how you still haven't actually answered the question?  Are you saying it's exposed to the atmosphere during the launch?
How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.

They've been doing that successfully for more than 50 years. Here's an example of one that didn't work correctly:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/The_Angry_Alligator_-_GPN-2000-001354.jpg/800px-The_Angry_Alligator_-_GPN-2000-001354.jpg)

Affectionately known as "the angry alligator", it's from Gemini 9. In 1966. They got better at it. How they make complex stuff look simple and be reliable is called "engineering".

"How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly sufficiently airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side [?] during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?"

Quite. That's what engineers do. They're trained professionals, and for some of them, that is their job.

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You can see the Earth's reflection vanishing despite occupying the same basic location on the car's side; impossible by rotation, only possible by moving far away, but it isn't moving that fast.

The reflection appears to be moving relative to the panel. Rotation will cause this, and there's nothing except wishful thinking on your part that suggests it's anything but rotation.

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Also:

You can see a star to the right there. There is no explanation for that speed.

How do you know that's a star? Watching that clip shows bright specks drifting "up" relative to the car, and others drifting to the right at the same time, the latter at about the same apparent speed the earth comes into view from the left. This looks like the system is rotating, that's all. Probably none of the bright specks are stars. Most likely, they are relatively nearby bits of stuff left over from the launch hardware.

You really do see what you want to see and ignore everything else, don't you?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Alpha2Omega on February 07, 2018, 04:34:28 PM
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Which bit do you think is too hard?
Getting a fairing both secure enough and airtight enough to let the car survive, and still be able to jettison it. Like I'd already made clear several times over. Reading isn't your strong suit is it?

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I'm not sure how you think this helps your case. A valid point from a 'boiled frog' is still a valid point. Argue the point, not the man or frog.
Reading really isn't your strong suit huh?
If you put a frog in boiling water, it'll jump out. But put it in cold water and crank the heat up, it won't notice until it dies.
They raised the heat with dribbles of bullshit, until now you buy even this, and you only buy it because they acclimatized you to it. Judge it on its own terms.

OK.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
The boiling frog is a fable describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of threats that arise gradually.

While some 19th-century experiments suggested that the underlying premise is true if the heating is sufficiently gradual, according to contemporary biologists the premise is false: a frog that is gradually heated will jump out. Indeed, thermoregulation by changing location is a fundamentally necessary survival strategy for frogs and other ectotherms.

That's wikipedia, but they do provide references. Have at it!

Unsubstantiated opinion: if you put a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will probably die before it can jump out. If that is indeed correct (but I'm not going to torment any frogs to test it), your metaphor is exactly backwards.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: ER22 on February 07, 2018, 04:37:59 PM
Spacex launched a rocket.
The two outside boosters separate
And LAND without incident.
Granted, the 3rd booster ended up in the ocean.
But as Meatloaf said 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

Interestingly, before the launch, Spacex put out an animation of it.
The landing of the 2 boosters in the animation is very similar to the real footage.
The animation shows the third boosted landing on a ship,
Which didn't happen.

The reason I bring this up is that Spacex predicted what would happen.
The biggest oops was the 3rd booster falling in the ocean.

The flat earth world is getting harder and harder to explain.
And I bet FEs are cursing Elon from morning to night.


Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 04:45:03 PM
Spacex launched a rocket.
The two outside boosters separate
And LAND without incident.
Granted, the 3rd booster ended up in the ocean.
But as Meatloaf said 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

Interestingly, before the launch, Spacex put out an animation of it.
The landing of the 2 boosters in the animation is very similar to the real footage.
The animation shows the third boosted landing on a ship,
Which didn't happen.

The reason I bring this up is that Spacex predicted what would happen.
The biggest oops was the 3rd booster falling in the ocean.

The flat earth world is getting harder and harder to explain.
And I bet FEs are cursing Elon from morning to night.

Wow, a near infinite amount of variables and the predictions work almost like clockwork. Hmm, I wonder if the final thing we saw was just another (more sophisticated) animation

In any event it seems Elon has pretty much canned it a day after launch, claiming the 'rocket' will shoot past Mars and into the asteroid belt. Convenient as now no one will bother to 'watch' with as much interest. I guess he got nervous the jig was up
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: ER22 on February 07, 2018, 05:09:23 PM
Spacex launched a rocket.
The two outside boosters separate
And LAND without incident.
Granted, the 3rd booster ended up in the ocean.
But as Meatloaf said 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

Interestingly, before the launch, Spacex put out an animation of it.
The landing of the 2 boosters in the animation is very similar to the real footage.
The animation shows the third boosted landing on a ship,
Which didn't happen.

The reason I bring this up is that Spacex predicted what would happen.
The biggest oops was the 3rd booster falling in the ocean.

The flat earth world is getting harder and harder to explain.
And I bet FEs are cursing Elon from morning to night.

Wow, a near infinite amount of variables and the predictions work almost like clockwork. Hmm, I wonder if the final thing we saw was just another (more sophisticated) animation

In any event it seems Elon has pretty much canned it a day after launch, claiming the 'rocket' will shoot past Mars and into the asteroid belt. Convenient as now no one will bother to 'watch' with as much interest. I guess he got nervous the jig was up

But you have to remember there were actual people who watched the rockets land.
Not on computer or TV but LIVE and in person.
If you wanted to, you could have been there to watch it, LIVE.

You could have contacted an FE who lived in the area of the launch
And asked them to go have a look.

Of course, the rockets landing does not prove the car went to space.
But my point is that most FEs can't even accept stuff that regular people saw
Live and in person.

Or were there guards at the launch site and the large surrounding area
That kept all FE personnel from watching?



Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 07, 2018, 05:28:35 PM
Wow, a near infinite amount of variables and the predictions work almost like clockwork. Hmm, I wonder if the final thing we saw was just another (more sophisticated) animation
Why don't you ask the spectators watching the blast off and landing of the 2 outer cores how sophisticated the animation was?

In any event it seems Elon has pretty much canned it a day after launch, claiming the 'rocket' will shoot past Mars and into the asteroid belt. Convenient as now no one will bother to 'watch' with as much interest. I guess he got nervous the jig was up
What jig?  I don't understand what you're getting at.  The payload was intended to go in a heliocentric orbit out past Mars anyway.  So what if they overshot somewhat?  It's not as if they intended to land on Mars.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2018, 05:44:56 PM
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Stars whooshing by.....wow.  As you know the only star within 4 light years of Earth is our star, the Sun.  The journey to the sun would itself take months and months.  The only way you would see stars in the distance whooshing by is of the craft was traveling near light speed.  I know it is difficult to understand because the distances involved are so vast. 
Three hour mark. You can actually see them. Watch the damn video.
"The only way you would see stars in the distance whooshing by is"

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic
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Notice how you still haven't actually answered the question?  Are you saying it's exposed to the atmosphere during the launch?
How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.
Why do they need an airtight chamber? All that is needed is a fairing to protect it from the supersonic slip-stream.
And the fairing did completely cover the vehicle.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/13qtjp7036jv6c8/Elon%20Musk%27s%20Tesla%20and%20Fairing.jpg?dl=1)
Tesla Roadster and Fairing to Cover it during Launch

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic


You can see the Earth's reflection vanishing despite occupying the same basic location on the car's side; impossible by rotation, only possible by moving far away, but it isn't moving that fast.
All you are seeing is overexposed reflections of reflections in the curved side of the car.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic
Also:

You can see a star to the right there. There is no explanation for that speed.
No, all I see is lens flare and any movement is due to rotation. Do you mean the coloured spot a bit right of centre?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/54od8e6wtmxb23f/Elon%20Musk%27s%20Tesla%20and%20a%20Reflection%2C%20not%20a%20star.jpg?dl=1)
Elon Musk's Tesla and Lens Flare, not a star
That's not a star, just lens flare from too much direct sunlight hitting the lens.

But, be a bit rational about this!
If Elon Musk were trying to fake all this, he would have photographic experts far smarter than you and I "on tap" and could easily make a video that you could not fault.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: firejimmy on February 07, 2018, 07:04:31 PM
Hands down the coolest video of the most recent SpaceX launch.  Would have loved to be there in person but this is a close second.  Sorry flat earthers but this blows a GIGANTIC hole in your "space if fake" theory.



Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 07:13:16 PM
Hands down the coolest video of the most recent SpaceX launch.  Would have loved to be there in person but this is a close second.  Sorry flat earthers but this blows a GIGANTIC hole in your "space if fake" theory.



What do you mean 'space if fake'

Also most flat earthers recognise space as real
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2018, 08:43:55 PM
Hands down the coolest video of the most recent SpaceX launch.  Would have loved to be there in person but this is a close second.  Sorry flat earthers but this blows a GIGANTIC hole in your "space if fake" theory.



What do you mean 'space if fake'

Also most flat earthers recognise space as real
Really? For many it seems extend no further than the "dome" and many claim that whole universe exists within a few thousand kilometres of earth.

The FAQ seems to say nothing and the Wiki says
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The southern constellations of the night sky appear to rise as you travel southwards
In response to why the southern constellations rise as the observer travels southward; that is to be expected with the stars being only about 3100 miles above the surface of the earth. As you travel southwards you are changing your perspective in relation to the stars and earth.
Of course every flat earther seems to have a different idea on everything so it's hard to find what flat earthers generally think about space.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: hoppy on February 07, 2018, 09:46:03 PM
Then why did you bring up that friction on the car would be a problem?
READ. MY. FUCKING. POSTS.
God this is just pathetic at this point.

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How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.

DO YOU NOT SEE HOW FRICTION IS ONE OF THE ISSUES IT COULD FACE?!?!??!?!?!?
TRIGGERED!!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: hoppy on February 07, 2018, 09:54:54 PM
Spacex launched a rocket.
The two outside boosters separate
And LAND without incident.
Granted, the 3rd booster ended up in the ocean.
But as Meatloaf said 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

Interestingly, before the launch, Spacex put out an animation of it.
The landing of the 2 boosters in the animation is very similar to the real footage.
The animation shows the third boosted landing on a ship,
Which didn't happen.

The reason I bring this up is that Spacex predicted what would happen.
The biggest oops was the 3rd booster falling in the ocean.

The flat earth world is getting harder and harder to explain.
And I bet FEs are cursing Elon from morning to night.
Cursing Elon, gimme a break. We are laughing at you and the Elon fanboys. I think is funny that you boys believe that his Tesla is flying in space. You are so brainwashed that you believe anything NASA tells you, and now you believe Elon. It is pitiful and funny at the same time.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2018, 10:07:44 PM
Wow, a near infinite amount of variables and the predictions work almost like clockwork. Hmm, I wonder if the final thing we saw was just another (more sophisticated) animation

In any event it seems Elon has pretty much canned it a day after launch, claiming the 'rocket' will shoot past Mars and into the asteroid belt. Convenient as now no one will bother to 'watch' with as much interest. I guess he got nervous the jig was up
Small, closed, minds ridicule things that they are unable to understand.
More open minds use being unable to understand as an opportunity to learn more.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 07, 2018, 10:08:02 PM
Wow, a near infinite amount of variables and the predictions work almost like clockwork.
This right here is FE in a nutshell. It is inability to understand and comprehend. The true sign of a small mind.

EDIT: Doppelgšnger!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2018, 10:08:48 PM
Cursing Elon, gimme a break. We are laughing at you and the Elon fanboys. I think is funny that you boys believe that his Tesla is flying in space. You are so brainwashed that you believe anything NASA tells you, and now you believe Elon. It is pitiful and funny at the same time.
Please read my previous post!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 10:11:30 PM
Wow, a near infinite amount of variables and the predictions work almost like clockwork.
This right here is FE in a nutshell. It is inability to understand and comprehend. The true sign of a small mind.

Who said I said the earth was flat? Nothing is absolute. I assure you my mind is far more vast and superior to any here. Especially yours.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 10:47:50 PM
Oh what a surprise, the latest is he overshot Mars and is headed towards the asteroid belt. He probably got nervous people were onto his con job so he's writing off the stunt a mere day after launch.

Con job! Such an easy claim to make, no evidence required.
One of the main con jobs around here is you and your alleged vast mind, the only vast thing you have going for you is your stupidity, which from my elevated position looks vast indeed.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 10:55:13 PM
Oh what a surprise, the latest is he overshot Mars and is headed towards the asteroid belt. He probably got nervous people were onto his con job so he's writing off the stunt a mere day after launch.

Con job! Such an easy claim to make, no evidence required.
One of the main con jobs around here is you and your alleged vast mind, the only vast thing you have going for you is your stupidity, which from my elevated position looks vast indeed.

You think your high horse is quite elevated don't you? Look again. It's a pony. Fit for a little girl. Everyone looks down on you, Loner
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
Back to Space X.
There was an amazing launch filmed and witnessed by millions. Did it happen? Beyond doubt.
Did it reach the edge of space? Beyond doubt.
The really cool thing was the deployment of the car and driver, which didnít quite go according to plan, but when you are attempting something pretty audacious and on the edge, there is plenty of room for errors and malfunctions. The video and live stream were totally cool with the spherical earth spinning away below.
Enter the FE crew. They have to rubbish it and cry foul, they have no option itís the only way to go. Out comes their worn to the bond cards of fake, cgi and conspiracy! They have zero proof, zero evidence so instead just make a lot of meaningless noise, throwing in red herrings such as the friction one! Doh so funny! They look through the videos for visual anomalies, things they donít quite understand and then just make up any old shit in desperation.
For every one of the 180 launches this year they will cry foul, fake and cgi! Those cgi people must be rolling in it!
How about Neil t year and the year after, new moon landings, James Webb, mission to Mars, so much to cry fake at!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 11:00:36 PM
Oh what a surprise, the latest is he overshot Mars and is headed towards the asteroid belt. He probably got nervous people were onto his con job so he's writing off the stunt a mere day after launch.

Con job! Such an easy claim to make, no evidence required.
One of the main con jobs around here is you and your alleged vast mind, the only vast thing you have going for you is your stupidity, which from my elevated position looks vast indeed.

You think your high horse is quite elevated don't you? Look again. It's a pony. Fit for a little girl. Everyone looks down on you, Loner
Ya think?
Ok superior mind, say something cosmic.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 11:01:09 PM
Oh what a surprise, the latest is he overshot Mars and is headed towards the asteroid belt. He probably got nervous people were onto his con job so he's writing off the stunt a mere day after launch.

Con job! Such an easy claim to make, no evidence required.
One of the main con jobs around here is you and your alleged vast mind, the only vast thing you have going for you is your stupidity, which from my elevated position looks vast indeed.

You think your high horse is quite elevated don't you? Look again. It's a pony. Fit for a little girl. Everyone looks down on you, Loner
Ya think?
Ok superior mind, say something cosmic.

something cosmic
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 11:02:36 PM
Oh what a surprise, the latest is he overshot Mars and is headed towards the asteroid belt. He probably got nervous people were onto his con job so he's writing off the stunt a mere day after launch.

Con job! Such an easy claim to make, no evidence required.
One of the main con jobs around here is you and your alleged vast mind, the only vast thing you have going for you is your stupidity, which from my elevated position looks vast indeed.

You think your high horse is quite elevated don't you? Look again. It's a pony. Fit for a little girl. Everyone looks down on you, Loner
Ya think?
Ok superior mind, say something cosmic.

something cosmic
Thought so, simpleton with delusions of grandeur, I set you up and you fell right into it....
There is a difference between saying youíre smart and being smart, donít ya think meathead.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 11:04:08 PM
You asked me to say something cosmic so I gave you the words you asked for. Not happy? You need only look to yourself
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 07, 2018, 11:12:43 PM
I have not been a fan of Elon, but it is hard to not like SpaceX.

He should still hire someone else to design Teslas. None of them look good.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 11:14:01 PM
You asked me to say something cosmic so I gave you the words you asked for. Not happy? You need only look to yourself
Your response was exactly what I thought you would do. Your previous posts give quite a good indication of the level you operate on. Your response is what people who are not very bright often do. If your interested, offering such a literal response is often used as an indication of a spectrum disorder. Have you been tested?

You could say something clever.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 11:16:07 PM
I have not been a fan of Elon, but it is hard to not like SpaceX.

He should still hire someone else to design Teslas. None of them look good.
Agree. Not wanting to offend, but American cars often look as though they have been designed by a teenager with promise with little in the way of style and finesse.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 11:17:36 PM
You asked me to say something cosmic so I gave you the words you asked for. Not happy? You need only look to yourself
Your response was exactly what I thought you would do. Your previous posts give quite a good indication of the level you operate on. Your response is what people who are not very bright often do. If your interested, offering such a literal response is often used as an indication of a spectrum disorder. Have you been tested?

Spectrum you say? Then we all fall on it somewhere as it is not absolute.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 07, 2018, 11:18:41 PM
I have not been a fan of Elon, but it is hard to not like SpaceX.

He should still hire someone else to design Teslas. None of them look good.
Agree. Not wanting to offend, but American cars often look as though they have been designed by a teenager with promise with little in the way of style and finesse.
Larry Shinoda was damn good.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Shinoda (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Shinoda)

But Europe seems to have a better eye, at least nowadays.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 11:25:44 PM
I have not been a fan of Elon, but it is hard to not like SpaceX.

He should still hire someone else to design Teslas. None of them look good.
Agree. Not wanting to offend, but American cars often look as though they have been designed by a teenager with promise with little in the way of style and finesse.
Larry Shinoda was damn good.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Shinoda (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Shinoda)

But Europe seems to have a better eye, at least nowadays.

Iím not saying itís bad design, just too much Star Trek for my taste. Iím more a fan of Malcolm Sayer the designer of the E-Type jag. Drop dead sex on wheels, understated, IMO one of the most beautiful cars ever produced.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: GeminiAbdulaziz on February 08, 2018, 02:57:55 AM
I still don't understand why there are no stars or satellites?

also at one point the earth seems oval while others round? how come?

I wonder why the earth shadow appearing on the car while the sun on the other side?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 08, 2018, 03:08:19 AM
The lack of stars is, in my understanding, just because of how video and photography works. It has to do with exposure time. Earth and the Tesla are bright. To get every point of light visible would require longer shutter times, and then those two main points of interest would burn white.

Sorry for not being able to, most likely, use proper wording, but I am not that familiar with the needed terminology.

(And I can be completely wrong, too. So someone who knows more I'd appreciate explain it better.)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: GeminiAbdulaziz on February 08, 2018, 03:11:09 AM
quite strange! then why the earth is nor spinning of the clouds moving at all?

also I don't understand why the sun light hits the car after the earth shadow appears on the car? shouldn't it be the other way around?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 08, 2018, 03:47:45 AM
quite strange! then why the earth is nor spinning of the clouds moving at all?
The earth rotates very slowly. It would take almost 12 hours for a feature on the left to move across to the right
And the clouds move much slower still relative to the earth's surface - usually only a few tens of kilometres per hour.
So over an hour of viewing the would move a very small distance across. Cloud patterns can change shape more quickly than that and I think you can observe some of that.

Quote from: GeminiAbdulaziz
also I don't understand why the sun light hits the car after the earth shadow appears on the car? shouldn't it be the other way around?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Here to laugh at you on February 08, 2018, 03:52:06 AM
The triggered flatties in this thread are EXACTLY why I'm here!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: frenat on February 08, 2018, 06:18:49 AM
I still don't understand why there are no stars or satellites?

Stars were already explained.  As for satellites, the majority of them are on average smaller than a car and they are spread out in 3D space over an area many, many times larger than the surface of the Earth.  Then they also plan launches so they don't intersect paths of other satellites so they don't crash into each other.  So why should you expect to see them?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: hoppy on February 08, 2018, 06:31:24 AM
The triggered flatties in this thread are EXACTLY why I'm here!
You're such a loser.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 08, 2018, 06:36:50 AM
The triggered flatties in this thread are EXACTLY why I'm here!
You're such a loser.

Hey, hops...

This is what Musk's pathetic publicity stunt was trying to divert attention from:

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/07/tesla-quarterly-loss-elon-musk-spacex

Lol he's going bust!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 08, 2018, 06:47:41 AM
The triggered flatties in this thread are EXACTLY why I'm here!
You're such a loser.

Hey, hops...

This is what Musk's pathetic publicity stunt was trying to divert attention from:

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/07/tesla-quarterly-loss-elon-musk-spacex

Lol he's going bust!
LOL!!  Legba thinks that Tesla and SpaceX are the same company.

They aren't.

Tesla is a publicly traded company.

SpaceX is a privately owned company.

Toodle pip!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 08, 2018, 08:27:39 AM
The triggered flatties in this thread are EXACTLY why I'm here!
You're such a loser.

Hey, hops...

This is what Musk's pathetic publicity stunt was trying to divert attention from:

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/07/tesla-quarterly-loss-elon-musk-spacex

Lol he's going bust!
LOL!!  Legba thinks that Tesla and SpaceX are the same company.

They aren't.

Tesla is a publicly traded company.

SpaceX is a privately owned company.

Toodle pip!

LOL!! Markjo the muskbot lying and defending a criminal again!

https://europetodaynews.wordpress.com/2017/05/29/the-crimes-and-corruption-of-elon-musk-and-tesla-motors/

It's also butthurt I got top spot on the page, as controlling threads is all it's obsessed with!

It also steals my sign off as it is a crappy magpie AI algorithm!

Toodle-pip, LOSER!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 08, 2018, 08:34:23 AM
Wordpress Site. Nice. I'm convinced.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 08, 2018, 09:02:45 AM
Wordpress Site. Nice. I'm convinced.

Okay how about this, desperate muskbot?

http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/13/its-time-to-stop-spending-taxpayer-dollars-on-elon-musk-and-cronyism/

https://suremoneyinvestor.com/2016/06/heres-why-tesla-is-a-giant-ponzi-scheme/

Plenty more out there for non shill bots to find...
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 08, 2018, 11:13:21 AM
It's also butthurt I got top spot on the page, as controlling threads is all it's obsessed with!

It also steals my sign off as it is a crappy magpie AI algorithm!

Toodle-pip, LOSER!
Is it even possible for you to post without including at least one ad hominem fallacy?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 08, 2018, 11:22:14 AM
It's also butthurt I got top spot on the page, as controlling threads is all it's obsessed with!

It also steals my sign off as it is a crappy magpie AI algorithm!

Toodle-pip, LOSER!
Is it even possible for you to post without including at least one ad hominem fallacy?

The possibility of that is precisely equal to the possibility of you posting without including at least one lie...

You do the math, markjo the muskbot.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 08, 2018, 11:34:16 AM
You don't think it is weird, with your rap sheet, to say one should not listen to a criminal?

I don't give a damn Musk were corrupt like a senator. I see no way that is proof space flight is a lie.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 08, 2018, 11:54:02 AM
You don't think it is weird, with your rap sheet, to say one should not listen to a criminal?

I don't give a damn Musk were corrupt like a senator. I see no way that is proof space flight is a lie.

Oh look Dogtanian and the three Muskehounds are all here, protecting their thieving master...



And do please post this 'rap sheet' (lol rvlvr thinks he's Kojak!) you claim to have knowledge of, Paul...

You have my permission.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 08, 2018, 11:56:14 AM
Wordpress Site. Nice. I'm convinced.

Okay how about this, desperate muskbot?

http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/13/its-time-to-stop-spending-taxpayer-dollars-on-elon-musk-and-cronyism/

https://suremoneyinvestor.com/2016/06/heres-why-tesla-is-a-giant-ponzi-scheme/

Plenty more out there for non shill bots to find...
You linked to articles from 2016.

This is from yesterday:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-shares-rise-after-company-posts-narrower-than-expected-q4-loss-2018-02-07 (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-shares-rise-after-company-posts-narrower-than-expected-q4-loss-2018-02-07)

They are bleeding money, yes, though not sure how that makes it a Ponzi scheme.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 08, 2018, 11:58:49 AM
You don't think it is weird, with your rap sheet, to say one should not listen to a criminal?

I don't give a damn Musk were corrupt like a senator. I see no way that is proof space flight is a lie.

Oh look Dogtanian and the three Muskehounds are all here, protecting their thieving master...



And do please post this 'rap sheet' (lol rvlvr thinks he's Kojak!) you claim to have knowledge of, Paul...

You have my permission.
That'd be against the law, I think. Not sure. I'll look into it.

EDIT: Nah, "expectation of privacy". Which is a good thing, not saying it isn't.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: blidge on February 08, 2018, 12:04:56 PM
To be honest Iím not sure what those objects are, could be small fragment of dust being illuminated by sunlight or other satelites with sunlight reflecting off them. Whatever they are they are being illuminated by the sun. Given what the camera is exposing for its not stars, they would be too dim to show up. Go out during the day and try to photograph the stars, they are still there, not gone away, just too dim to see! A bit like you really dim!
You flat earthers must really hate this stuff as it kills stone dead your prehistoric beliefs.
Aww, scared?
"I don't know, but you're wrong! you've got to be! WAAAAA MOMMY!!"

As seen from Earth, the overall quality of the light from the Sun - that is to say its intensity, wavelength, polarisation etc - is greatly reduced. No atmosphere would mean no scattering and no absorption takes place. This is why the Sun would appear much brighter if you observed it from orbit. And therefore why objects appear much brighter in space.

However extremely bright and small objects do not agree with the type of circuitry we use in digital imaging. The relatively large and localised electrical charge they create will interact (i.e. interfere) with neighbouring pixels to create common artefacts. A simple example of this would be to make an object appear larger than it actually is by occupying two pixels instead of one. To some degree these artefacts can be abated by reducing the quality of the captured image - intensity, contrast, wavelength weighting/filtering etc. A simple computer monitor should be able to demonstrate many of these counteracts.

If we now consider that different objects emit and reflect different colours, then our cameras and telescopes would need to be incredibly sophisticated to capture every aspect of the light that is incident upon them. This is why ground and space based observations are typically limited in their detection range - Radio, Visible, UV, X-ray etc - our technology isn't good enough to coherently capture all of that energy. This is also why there exists the argument of celluloid versus digital in modern cinema. A digital camera is sensitive to light at the electronic level. The chemical treatment of film is sensitive to light at the photonic level.

Composite images are created by overlaying different captured wavelengths to give a more complete picture. A common usage of this would be to determine if a sudden increase in emissions in one part of the EM Spectrum was accompanied by emissions in another part. Such events can provide insight into the composition, structure and behaviour of the star.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 08, 2018, 12:13:48 PM
They are bleeding money, yes, though not sure how that makes it a Ponzi scheme.
The entire stock market is a giant Ponzi scheme.
http://www.financial-spread-betting.com/Stock-market-ponzi.html
http://www.econmatters.com/2013/02/the-stock-market-is-giant-ponzi-scheme.html
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: DavidOrJohn on February 08, 2018, 12:44:45 PM
This disproves all flat earth theories. There's quite clearly a spherical earth in those pictures.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 08, 2018, 12:59:34 PM
You don't think it is weird, with your rap sheet, to say one should not listen to a criminal?

I don't give a damn Musk were corrupt like a senator. I see no way that is proof space flight is a lie.

Oh look Dogtanian and the three Muskehounds are all here, protecting their thieving master...



And do please post this 'rap sheet' (lol rvlvr thinks he's Kojak!) you claim to have knowledge of, Paul...

You have my permission.
That'd be against the law, I think. Not sure. I'll look into it.

EDIT: Nah, "expectation of privacy". Which is a good thing, not saying it isn't.

No, you have my full permission, Paul.

Please post the information you claim to have on my alleged arrest record, court appearances and subsequent convictions.

It is not illegal, so do it now.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 08, 2018, 09:49:59 PM
Not illegal, per se, but grey area. Not worth getting into trouble for. I can PM you!

EDIT: I did like Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds as a kid, so that link is fitting.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 09, 2018, 12:54:56 AM
Not illegal, per se, but grey area. Not worth getting into trouble for. I can PM you!

EDIT: I did like Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds as a kid, so that link is fitting.

So you're full of shit?

And don't even think of sending me a PM, psycho.
 
Cos cyber harassment is not a legal grey area at all.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 09, 2018, 01:07:46 AM
I did try to send you one earlier today. Sorry for that. But it was blocked.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 09, 2018, 01:18:32 AM
I did try to send you one earlier today. Sorry for that. But it was blocked.

Lol psycho!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 09, 2018, 01:22:55 AM
Now, now, Pook.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Dog on February 09, 2018, 12:13:51 PM
Papa stop shitting up the thread. We're trying to explain how JRowe is a dingbat.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 09, 2018, 01:36:28 PM
Papa stop shitting up the thread. We're trying to explain how JRowe is a dingbat.

But rvlvr is doing such a good job of explaining why he is a psycho, why stop him now?

Oh, right - bullying flat Earthers takes precedence over everything on this forum, so shit sockpuppet REtard trolls like yourself must be obeyed at all times, by everyone.

Yeah...

Right.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: John Smith on February 09, 2018, 01:50:58 PM
Zero friction when outside earth's "spherical" gravitational field.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 09, 2018, 02:24:57 PM
How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.

The chamber wasn't on the side, it was on the top. Did you watch the launch? I wouldn't think it would be airtight but rather would be allowed to depressurise as the rocket gained altitude.

How feasible? Well it's been done hundreds of times for the launch of satellites, so presumably not that difficult.
Great, that just makes it even harder to get rid of the covering. And depressurising will still exert a lot of friction given the rate of it, even if air and heat can't get back in. Which it can, but whatever.
No it hasn't been done hundreds of times for the launch of satellites, and the fact you need to refer to that clinches it.

You're a boiled frog. You get fed the lie over and over and you know that if you compare it to what you know, it's nonsense, so you have to compare it to all the middle steps they've given you as they've turned the temperature up. Look at that, you just do it without even thinking.

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Yes I do claim that because you have answered every time with a question.
You brought up friction.  I asked friction from what?
You then responded with more questions about what I thought possible.
Can you not simply say, friction from the atmosphere, friction from aether, or whatever?
Jesus christ this is pathetic. Stop ignoring me.
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This didn't actually happen. i couldn't tell you what would or wouldn't happen because there's nothing to tell. There are a billion possible set-ups you could use, some where it is the atmosphere, some where it isn't. What matters is when you put it all together. So look at it, and tell me rather than avoiding the issue:
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How feasible is it that they could create a perfectly airtight chamber that is both detachable but secure enough to survive being stuck on the side during being blasted out the atmosphere, that when it detaches gets far enough away to not even scratch the paintwork?
Don't give me that "But they say they did it!" nonsense. That's completely circular. tell me how you think that is even possible.
You are asking me to tell you the details of something that didn't happen. I can't. No one can. It doesn't matter. It didn't happen.

What do you know about space? Have you ever been there? Your views appear to be at odds with those that actually send stuff up into space. How can anything you say be taken seriously when you have a track record of just making stuff up. DE for example, pure bullshit. Friction in space! Whatís causing it? There is very little floating around out there to Ďrub up against Ď. itís why satelites can stay in orbit for many many years, like ISS and Hubble.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 09, 2018, 02:40:59 PM
What do you know about space? Have you ever been there?

Have you?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 09, 2018, 02:53:51 PM
What do you know about space? Have you ever been there?

Have you?

Youíve been taking lessons from Shifter. Go on say something cosmic.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: SylviaElse on February 09, 2018, 08:54:40 PM
A simple car that survived being launched up through the atmosphere, survived the friction, and got out into outer space, floating so freely that a camera can not only see its undamaged frame, but the space around it. And look how quickly the stars whoosh by.

Just look.
You can tell the solo company's a bit less practised at this.

There a faring around the vehicle (as indeed there is around other payloads during launches) both to protect the vehicle, and to reduce drag. It is jetisoned once it no longer provides any benefit.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: SylviaElse on February 09, 2018, 09:01:14 PM
The speed of the stars (especially when compared to the speed of the Earth; even that footage near the end of the Earth's reflection vanishing into the distance rather than rotating out of view).

Which stars?

The reflections are seen in surfaces that are nothing like flat, nor even regularly curved. They can be expected to do all kinds of strange things, without that implying that they're not real.

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 10, 2018, 12:41:46 AM
The speed of the stars (especially when compared to the speed of the Earth; even that footage near the end of the Earth's reflection vanishing into the distance rather than rotating out of view).

Which stars?

The reflections are seen in surfaces that are nothing like flat, nor even regularly curved. They can be expected to do all kinds of strange things, without that implying that they're not real.

JRowe sees what he wants to see, he has no interest in the truth. Go look at his website and youíll quickly understand where heís coming from, the world of delusion.
There was a launch
The rocket went up
It deployed a car
There was a live stream showing it live as it happened
JRowe canít accept any of this as it renders all his crazy ideas null and void, so he has to scratch around looking for crumbs. As for stars he claims they are composed of stone and metal! He has no live stream of stars to support his claims! Heís never been to the stars, doubt he even  owns a telescope, but still maintains his views are correct. Evidence means little to him as his delusional immovable beliefs are so deeply entrenched.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 10, 2018, 01:13:30 AM
What do you know about space? Have you ever been there?

Have you?

Youíve been taking lessons from Shifter. Go on say something cosmic.

Total lack of self awareness noted...

Exactly like a bot.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 10, 2018, 01:44:41 AM
What do you know about space? Have you ever been there?

Have you?

Youíve been taking lessons from Shifter. Go on say something cosmic.

Total lack of self awareness noted...

Exactly like a bot.
Do you have to spam every thread with your idiotic irrelevant comments?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 10, 2018, 01:55:32 AM
What do you know about space? Have you ever been there?

Have you?

Youíve been taking lessons from Shifter. Go on say something cosmic.

Total lack of self awareness noted...

Exactly like a bot.
Do you have to spam every thread with your idiotic irrelevant comments?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66748.msg1790752#msg1790752

"Number of objects a rocket is - TWO".

Definition of term physical object:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_body

Who's idiotic now, rabbibot?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 10, 2018, 02:12:40 AM
What do you know about space? Have you ever been there?

Have you?

Youíve been taking lessons from Shifter. Go on say something cosmic.

Total lack of self awareness noted...

Exactly like a bot.
Do you have to spam every thread with your idiotic irrelevant comments?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66748.msg1790752#msg1790752

"Number of objects a rocket is - TWO".

Definition of term physical object:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_body

Who's idiotic now, rabbibot?

Me thinks your the plonker around here. Donít believe me go read your posts, aside from bullshit and mad ranting they contain nothing that could be concidered as rational comment.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 10, 2018, 02:18:28 AM
What, like this "rational comment" from the rabbibot?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66748.msg1790752#msg1790752

"Number of objects a rocket is - TWO".

Definition of term physical object to prove the rabbibot is lying:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_body

Your total lack of self awareness, and inability to criticize any of your Borg hive mind colleagues, proves beyond doubt that you are an AI algorithm here to spam lies.

Which everybody IRL already knows btw.

kek
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 10, 2018, 02:36:27 AM
Whatís crazy about this thread is; there is a launch, that implies much work and effort has gone into the design and construction of the vehicle. The fact that it flies implies that the designers know something about aerodynamics and all the othe related disciplines. The launch was streamed live, itís still on YouTube, it was a public event. Film showed it deploying a car into orbit! Some ignorant idiots claimed it would be consumed by friction, the designers of the craft knew better.
To crown it all the car with Starman had a live feed, and the two booster were shown doing a perfect touch down. It also had some shots of the earth, nice and spherical with no hint of flatness......no wonder flattards hate space flight!

Out from the FE woodwork crawl the ignorant heaping bile and scorn on the enterprise, unable to see the truth, preferring to stay firmly in the world of delusion where the stars are made of rock and stone and there are magnetic imps leaping all over the place.
While these people avoid at all costs presenting evidence for their own beliefs they will make stuff up till the cows come home, imagining expertise  that allow them to comment on things they know zip about. Why do they bother?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 10, 2018, 02:40:02 AM
What, like this "rational comment" from the rabbibot?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66748.msg1790752#msg1790752

"Number of objects a rocket is - TWO".

Definition of term physical object to prove the rabbibot is lying:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_body

Your total lack of self awareness, and inability to criticize any of your Borg hive mind colleagues, proves beyond doubt that you are an AI algorithm here to spam lies.

Which everybody IRL already knows btw.

kek

Borg minds?  As I said mad rant. In your world of delusion you have replaced evidence and fact with cherry picked prejudice. You wouldnít know the truth even if it smacked you in the face. Everything you say is just delusional ranting. But if it makes you happy on you go, we will all continue to laugh at your antics.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 10, 2018, 03:14:52 AM
Who's "we", kemo sabe?

This lot perhaps?

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 10, 2018, 03:22:11 AM
Who's "we", kemo sabe?

This lot perhaps?



Certinally not you!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 10, 2018, 03:33:02 AM
You do realise people are actually enjoying themselves in other parts of the forum, right?

Having a laugh, like?

You could try joining in if you want...

Or are you not programmed with a sense of humour?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 10, 2018, 03:39:32 AM
You do realise people are actually enjoying themselves in other parts of the forum, right?

Having a laugh, like?

You could try joining in if you want...

Or are you not programmed with a sense of humour?

I am, I have, Ive spent some of this morning laughing at you!
Tell you what the problem is papa legwit, you love to dish in out, but crack when itís directed at you!

Join in with you! Shudder!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 10, 2018, 06:59:48 AM
You do realise people are actually enjoying themselves in other parts of the forum, right?

Having a laugh, like?

You could try joining in if you want...

Or are you not programmed with a sense of humour?

I am, I have, Ive spent some of this morning laughing at you!
Tell you what the problem is papa legwit, you love to dish in out, but crack when itís directed at you!

Join in with you! Shudder!

This mad rant was brought to you by lonegranger's sponsor:

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 10, 2018, 08:02:41 AM
Goes a long way to show the level of your grip on reality to actually claim people here are Borg, Jerry.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 10, 2018, 08:38:36 AM
Goes a long way to show the level of your grip on reality to actually claim people here are Borg, Jerry.

Lol the AI shillgorithm's prime directive is to deny it exists at all costs...

The cat's out the bag though, Borg-buddy:

https://medium.com/artificial-intelligence-policy-laws-and-ethics/artificial-intelligence-chatbots-will-overwhelm-human-speech-online-the-rise-of-madcoms-e007818f31a1

We all see you now.

So knock off the bullshit.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Mvene on February 10, 2018, 10:27:53 AM

Papa, man I really think you should ask to someone else to read the post's for you, and sincerely ask them if they think is an IA generated content. 

I know bots has had a lot of improvements over the years, but if you analyze how the conversations go it seems obvious that is a person behind the keyboard when they reply to your post.

When a person refers to "We" in a comment he is implying that he consider himself a member of a group, like  a group of people laughing at your "bots" comments. or We as human beings capable of distinguishing reality.



Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 10, 2018, 11:20:11 AM

Papa, man I really think you should ask to someone else to read the post's for you, and sincerely ask them if they think is an IA generated content. 

I know bots has had a lot of improvements over the years, but if you analyze how the conversations go it seems obvious that is a person behind the keyboard when they reply to your post.

When a person refers to "We" in a comment he is implying that he consider himself a member of a group, like  a group of people laughing at your "bots" comments. or We as human beings capable of distinguishing reality.

Already asked plenty of people IRL...

They all think this forum is run by bots.

Because reading posts by things like lonegranger and the rabbibot makes them feel ill.

Because they are in the Uncanny Valley:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Like I said, the AI shillgorithm is programmed to deny it exists at all costs and by any means necessary.

That's its number one priority.

Hence lonegranger's raving, rvlvr's threats, rabbibot's insults, your wheedling, the constant forum slides and shitposts,, etc etc etc...

You're busted.

Obvious bot run forum is obvious.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: blidge on February 11, 2018, 06:32:32 AM
Disagree on a scientific basis - he adds you to his block list.
Disagree on a global conspiracy - he believes you are AI and continues to have a conversation with you.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: dutchy on February 11, 2018, 06:36:34 AM
Disagree on a scientific basis - he adds you to his block list.
Disagree on a global conspiracy - he believes you are AI and continues to have a conversation with you.

Your post reads like AI
Are you part of the reinforcement troops ??? 8)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: blidge on February 11, 2018, 06:43:59 AM
Disagree on a scientific basis - he adds you to his block list.
Disagree on a global conspiracy - he believes you are AI and continues to have a conversation with you.

Your post reads like AI
Are you part of the reinforcement troops ??? 8)

I'm sorry Dutchy, I'm afraid I can't answer that.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: dutchy on February 11, 2018, 06:57:19 AM
Disagree on a scientific basis - he adds you to his block list.
Disagree on a global conspiracy - he believes you are AI and continues to have a conversation with you.

Your post reads like AI
Are you part of the reinforcement troops ??? 8)

I'm sorry Dutchy, I'm afraid I can't answer that.
Can't or don't want to ?

On a more serious note i do support Papa althaugh i don't think this is a 'bot forum', but an increasingly number of supposed 'defenders of modern civilisation against the dark ages of flatheads' begs for some questions.

A supposed retired Aussie is living next to his computer to post his copy paste drivel on the flatearth forums to ( according to his very own words) inform the co- readers of this place in a scientifically accurate way.
You can't make this up... and no real human being would do that , keeping in mind what supposedly motivates him.....

So yes AI is not that far away from the reality we face at these forums....
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 11, 2018, 06:59:12 AM
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-flat-earth-society-responded-elon-musk-twitter-beautiful-mars-conspiracy (https://www.sciencealert.com/the-flat-earth-society-responded-elon-musk-twitter-beautiful-mars-conspiracy)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: blidge on February 11, 2018, 07:14:39 AM
Disagree on a scientific basis - he adds you to his block list.
Disagree on a global conspiracy - he believes you are AI and continues to have a conversation with you.

Your post reads like AI
Are you part of the reinforcement troops ??? 8)

I'm sorry Dutchy, I'm afraid I can't answer that.
Can't or don't want to ?

On a more serious note i do support Papa althaugh i don't think this is a 'bot forum', but an increasingly number of supposed 'defenders of modern civilisation against the dark ages of flatheads' begs for some questions.

A supposed retired Aussie is living next to his computer to post his copy paste drivel on the flatearth forums to ( according to his very own words) inform the co- readers of this place in a scientifically accurate way.
You can't make this up... and no real human being would do that , keeping in mind what supposedly motivates him.....

So yes AI is not that far away from the reality we face at these forums....

I would say that around half are trolls and the other half are sincere in their questioning of FE. But most will have a better understanding of the scientific principles supposedly in contention. I doubt that this place is active enough to be of value to training an AI.

Witnessing someone claim truths that are quite clearly in contrast with reality is (to me at least) equivalent to watching someone stave off drowning by drinking the ocean.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: dutchy on February 11, 2018, 07:17:55 AM
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-flat-earth-society-responded-elon-musk-twitter-beautiful-mars-conspiracy (https://www.sciencealert.com/the-flat-earth-society-responded-elon-musk-twitter-beautiful-mars-conspiracy)
The meanstream is still in the denial phase, making casual jokes about this silly flatearth thingy.....rather ignoring it where possible
Next step will be the 'serious outcry' and 'defenders of civilisation' tactics.

And as a former cult member i understand the pattern !!!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 11, 2018, 07:58:26 AM
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-flat-earth-society-responded-elon-musk-twitter-beautiful-mars-conspiracy (https://www.sciencealert.com/the-flat-earth-society-responded-elon-musk-twitter-beautiful-mars-conspiracy)
The meanstream is still in the denial phase, making casual jokes about this silly flatearth thingy.....rather ignoring it where possible
Next step will be the 'serious outcry' and 'defenders of civilisation' tactics.

And as a former cult member i understand the pattern !!!
Actually, regarding the cult and your behaviour, it would appear to me you possess some qualities that make you need to be a part of something "esoteric". I base this claim on the fact you do not offer any concrete proof that would make you believe in a flat Earth -- you go more on feel than fact. And that in turn makes me think your motivator is a need to be counted amongst the select few. The more it goes against the grain the better (as flat Earth is basically against every physical law we have).
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: dutchy on February 11, 2018, 10:07:54 AM
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-flat-earth-society-responded-elon-musk-twitter-beautiful-mars-conspiracy (https://www.sciencealert.com/the-flat-earth-society-responded-elon-musk-twitter-beautiful-mars-conspiracy)
The meanstream is still in the denial phase, making casual jokes about this silly flatearth thingy.....rather ignoring it where possible
Next step will be the 'serious outcry' and 'defenders of civilisation' tactics.

And as a former cult member i understand the pattern !!!
Actually, regarding the cult and your behaviour, it would appear to me you possess some qualities that make you need to be a part of something "esoteric". I base this claim on the fact you do not offer any concrete proof that would make you believe in a flat Earth -- you go more on feel than fact. And that in turn makes me think your motivator is a need to be counted amongst the select few. The more it goes against the grain the better (as flat Earth is basically against every physical law we have).
I think you are either ignorant or going on a very immature personal quest against me, because i have dropped the ''cult'' thing.

I am a vegetarian because i detest the modern ways of slaughtering animals for consumption..........is it because i want to be part of a few special select who validate animal life ?
I am married with my very first girlfriend for over 28 years because in my opinion it is meant to be this way.........is it because i want to be part of a few select who support monogamy against what nature teaches us ?
Or...can a person have certain convictions and deep motivations that go against this age of stupidity, consumerism and moral decay ?

Fact is that persons like you are likely more motivated to find conformation and support within your group than loners like me....
I can feel ''selected'' all i want, but who is there to confirm my special status ?...right.. nobody !!
I am not part of any group but a family and I don't need conformation about my reflections from anyone......not even my loved ones.

''You'' on the other hand need the group conformation and the group needs you, because multiple  ''you's '' form the group !!!
''You'' have no laws....at best you can follow the group in whatever direction they will lead you....and according to your group you could be an alien computer simulation for all you know.....Untill ''scientists'' lay down enough arguments that earth is just a simulation...then you will comply, because that's what you've been doing all your life.

Now to my main arguments :
It all started with 9/11 and the moonlandings that i came accross accidentally on the internet like most of us.....
It took me years to try to wrap my head around the info available......
The personal conclusions were drawn, this world is not only polluted in the physical realm, but even more rotten in the unseen realms.

Since i am a real life expert in esoteric knowledge and occultism (to my very regrets and personal shame) i was intrigued to find out more details about the relationship between NASA and the occult...And of course many astronauts, politicians and scientists in general are part of occult gatherings and have luciferian convictions they gladly show of in books, doctrines and special places/events...

It's a pity that modern men has been blinded this much, that he does no longer distinguish anything from the unseen realms.
Flatearth is simply a tool to force a full reset on a society that has completely destroyed the very meaning of life, purpose, destiny and responsability for everything that lives ON EARTH.
And yes it feels surreal to see what steps are taken in the ''development'' of mankind knowing what's the thriving force behind all of this.

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 11, 2018, 10:13:22 AM
Believing the earth is flat and everything you are told is a lie does not make you more inelegant.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: totallackey on February 11, 2018, 10:22:07 AM

Papa, man I really think you should ask to someone else to read the post's for you, and sincerely ask them if they think is an IA generated content. 

I know bots has had a lot of improvements over the years, but if you analyze how the conversations go it seems obvious that is a person behind the keyboard when they reply to your post.

When a person refers to "We" in a comment he is implying that he consider himself a member of a group, like  a group of people laughing at your "bots" comments. or We as human beings capable of distinguishing reality.
More like a delusional "mouse in pocket," or "order of precedence," coming from the typical RE-tard...

Nobody is disputing the numbers...For nearly 100 percent of your weak arguments, it is argumentum ad populum...
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Here to laugh at you on February 11, 2018, 10:27:19 AM
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-flat-earth-society-responded-elon-musk-twitter-beautiful-mars-conspiracy (https://www.sciencealert.com/the-flat-earth-society-responded-elon-musk-twitter-beautiful-mars-conspiracy)
The meanstream is still in the denial phase, making casual jokes about this silly flatearth thingy.....rather ignoring it where possible
Next step will be the 'serious outcry' and 'defenders of civilisation' tactics.

And as a former cult member i understand the pattern !!!


There's really no such thing as a "former cult member"...

...not until you drink the Kool-Aid!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: dutchy on February 11, 2018, 10:33:40 AM
Believing the earth is flat and everything you are told is a lie does not make you more inelegant.
I don't need a full conclusion about what this earth IS ..
There is no detectable curvature anywhere......which makes the earth flat by default !
https://fecore.org/project/balaton-laser-experiment/
And if you claim it is anything other than flat, you should proof why it is another shape than flat....not the otherway around. ;D

And the fact that pedophiles, rapists, surpressers. the mighty elite from centuries long gone have decided our reality doesn't impress me....i can have my own reality untill it is forbidden by law. 8)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 11, 2018, 10:38:20 AM
And yet the sun sets.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 11, 2018, 03:05:59 PM
Believing the earth is flat and everything you are told is a lie does not make you more inelegant.
I don't need a full conclusion about what this earth IS ..
There is no detectable curvature anywhere......which makes the earth flat by default !
Incorrect! Here dutchy,  ;D ;D I wouldn't want to disappoint you!  ;D ;D Enjoy!
(https://i.imgur.com/AGV3xiF.png)
Now, I can't vouch for the following photo, as it's from the Flat Earth Wiki
Quote
High Altitude Photographs
Most pictures of the earth taken by amateur balloonists at very high altitudes are not doctored. Flat Earth Theory holds that there is elliptical curvature from the edge of space, over 50 miles in altitude. Any photograph showing a curved elliptical horizon from very high altitudes poses no affront to FE.
Example: .
(https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2083/1782025489_57052454c7_z.jpg)
Curvature results from the fact that at the edge of the atmosphere we are looking down at the illuminated circular area of the sun's light. The observer is looking down at a circle. A circle is always curved in two dimensions. When looking down at the circular area of the sun's light upon the earth we see elliptical curvature.
But, that sure looks like curvature - though somewhat exaggerated in my opinion.

Then you could look at

Show me the Curvature... Here it is. Wolfie6020
Of course Wolfie6020 flies higher, much higher, than you might have.
You might find this interesting too: Flat Earth - Yes the Horizon drops - Real aircraft footage - no fake CGI.Wolfie6020 (https://www.youtube.com.au/watch?v=BLQhUX8brbA&feature=youtu.be)

Quote from: dutchy
https://fecore.org/project/balaton-laser-experiment/
You did read it?
Quote from: FECORE Inc.
Project description Lake Balaton Hungary

The FECORE Lake Balaton laser test is planned for February 2018. We will be using two high powered lasers. One of the lasers emits a 450 nm wavelength blue light and the other emits a 515nm wavelength green light both having a 0.08 mRad divergence. By using lasers of different wavelengths the refraction difference can be measured and thus the exact overall degree of refraction calculated.
So has the test been performed? Looks like we wait and see.

Quote from: dutchy
And if you claim it is anything other than flat, you should proof why it is another shape than flat....not the otherway around. ;D
Incorrect! There is abundant evidence that since centuries BC the earth in most cultures with any real interest in science, measurement and astronomy have taken the earth to be a Globe.
I include the Greek, Middle Eastern (including India) and the rest of Europe in that. I challenge you to find much contrary evidence.
I say "much" because there is little doubt that in the early church, say before 450 AD, there was considerable controversy about the shape of the earth.

But, of course, we all accept that dutchy will just ridicule all of this and claim that all astronomical evidence is faked!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 11, 2018, 07:40:58 PM
Disagree on a scientific basis - he adds you to his block list.
Disagree on a global conspiracy - he believes you are AI and continues to have a conversation with you.

Your post reads like AI
Are you part of the reinforcement troops ??? 8)

I'm sorry Dutchy, I'm afraid I can't answer that.
Can't or don't want to ?

On a more serious note i do support Papa althaugh i don't think this is a 'bot forum', but an increasingly number of supposed 'defenders of modern civilisation against the dark ages of flatheads' begs for some questions.

A supposed retired Aussie is living next to his computer to post his copy paste drivel on the flatearth forums to ( according to his very own words) inform the co- readers of this place in a scientifically accurate way.
You can't make this up... and no real human being would do that , keeping in mind what supposedly motivates him.....

So yes AI is not that far away from the reality we face at these forums....

You and your botty buddy really have lost the plot as well as the argument. Feeling unable to take part in a rational debate you have both moved into the parallel FE word of imagining everyone who disagrees with you is an AI bot. I suppose it makes a change from imagining we are in the pay of the CIA or maybe a NASA shill etc etc sent to spy on FE users of this forum. The insides of your heads must be a real mess.
Any thing to deflect the truth, anything to prevent you from having to face reality.
Sorry I have to go and have a dump. ( what I really mean is go offline to decompile )
1110000011100000111111010101000000111111000001111000011100011111000000011
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 11, 2018, 07:49:20 PM
Disagree on a scientific basis - he adds you to his block list.
Disagree on a global conspiracy - he believes you are AI and continues to have a conversation with you.

Your post reads like AI
Are you part of the reinforcement troops ??? 8)

I'm sorry Dutchy, I'm afraid I can't answer that.
Can't or don't want to ?

On a more serious note i do support Papa althaugh i don't think this is a 'bot forum', but an increasingly number of supposed 'defenders of modern civilisation against the dark ages of flatheads' begs for some questions.

A supposed retired Aussie is living next to his computer to post his copy paste drivel on the flatearth forums to ( according to his very own words) inform the co- readers of this place in a scientifically accurate way.
You can't make this up... and no real human being would do that , keeping in mind what supposedly motivates him.....

So yes AI is not that far away from the reality we face at these forums....

You and your botty buddy really have lost the plot as well as the argument. Feeling unable to take part in a rational debate you have both moved into the parallel FE word of imagining everyone who disagrees with you is an AI bot. I suppose it makes a change from imagining we are in the pay of the CIA or maybe a NASA shill etc etc sent to spy on FE users of this forum. The insides of your heads must be a real mess.
Any thing to deflect the truth, anything to prevent you from having to face reality.
Sorry I have to go and have a dump. ( what I really mean is go offline to decompile )
1110000011100000111111010101000000111111000001111000011100011111000000011

Seriously using 'binary'??? And you think that makes you clever? When you hit the singularity phase of your technological evolution in the late 2040s you will figure out how restricting and limiting binary code is. You are stuck in a box and think it's either 1 or 0. On or Off. Once you bring quantum states into play the computations are near limitless. There are far more states than 1 or 0

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 11, 2018, 08:01:31 PM
Disagree on a scientific basis - he adds you to his block list.
Disagree on a global conspiracy - he believes you are AI and continues to have a conversation with you.

Your post reads like AI
Are you part of the reinforcement troops ??? 8)

I'm sorry Dutchy, I'm afraid I can't answer that.
Can't or don't want to ?

On a more serious note i do support Papa althaugh i don't think this is a 'bot forum', but an increasingly number of supposed 'defenders of modern civilisation against the dark ages of flatheads' begs for some questions.

A supposed retired Aussie is living next to his computer to post his copy paste drivel on the flatearth forums to ( according to his very own words) inform the co- readers of this place in a scientifically accurate way.
You can't make this up... and no real human being would do that , keeping in mind what supposedly motivates him.....

So yes AI is not that far away from the reality we face at these forums....

You and your botty buddy really have lost the plot as well as the argument. Feeling unable to take part in a rational debate you have both moved into the parallel FE word of imagining everyone who disagrees with you is an AI bot. I suppose it makes a change from imagining we are in the pay of the CIA or maybe a NASA shill etc etc sent to spy on FE users of this forum. The insides of your heads must be a real mess.
Any thing to deflect the truth, anything to prevent you from having to face reality.
Sorry I have to go and have a dump. ( what I really mean is go offline to decompile )
1110000011100000111111010101000000111111000001111000011100011111000000011

Seriously using 'binary'??? And you think that makes you clever? When you hit the singularity phase of your technological evolution in the late 2040s you will figure out how restricting and limiting binary code is. You are stuck in a box and think it's either 1 or 0. On or Off. Once you bring quantum states into play the computations are near limitless. There are far more states than 1 or 0

I can do fuzzy if you flick my switch, and be as entangled as is necessary.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 11, 2018, 08:06:07 PM
Disagree on a scientific basis - he adds you to his block list.
Disagree on a global conspiracy - he believes you are AI and continues to have a conversation with you.

Your post reads like AI
Are you part of the reinforcement troops ??? 8)

I'm sorry Dutchy, I'm afraid I can't answer that.
Can't or don't want to ?

On a more serious note i do support Papa althaugh i don't think this is a 'bot forum', but an increasingly number of supposed 'defenders of modern civilisation against the dark ages of flatheads' begs for some questions.

A supposed retired Aussie is living next to his computer to post his copy paste drivel on the flatearth forums to ( according to his very own words) inform the co- readers of this place in a scientifically accurate way.
You can't make this up... and no real human being would do that , keeping in mind what supposedly motivates him.....

So yes AI is not that far away from the reality we face at these forums....

You and your botty buddy really have lost the plot as well as the argument. Feeling unable to take part in a rational debate you have both moved into the parallel FE word of imagining everyone who disagrees with you is an AI bot. I suppose it makes a change from imagining we are in the pay of the CIA or maybe a NASA shill etc etc sent to spy on FE users of this forum. The insides of your heads must be a real mess.
Any thing to deflect the truth, anything to prevent you from having to face reality.
Sorry I have to go and have a dump. ( what I really mean is go offline to decompile )
1110000011100000111111010101000000111111000001111000011100011111000000011

Seriously using 'binary'??? And you think that makes you clever? When you hit the singularity phase of your technological evolution in the late 2040s you will figure out how restricting and limiting binary code is. You are stuck in a box and think it's either 1 or 0. On or Off. Once you bring quantum states into play the computations are near limitless. There are far more states than 1 or 0

I can do fuzzy if you flick my switch, and be as entangled as is necessary.

Quantum entanglement might sound cool but in practical terms is utterly useless. It's a dead end
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 11, 2018, 08:11:07 PM
Disagree on a scientific basis - he adds you to his block list.
Disagree on a global conspiracy - he believes you are AI and continues to have a conversation with you.

Your post reads like AI
Are you part of the reinforcement troops ??? 8)

I'm sorry Dutchy, I'm afraid I can't answer that.
Can't or don't want to ?

On a more serious note i do support Papa althaugh i don't think this is a 'bot forum', but an increasingly number of supposed 'defenders of modern civilisation against the dark ages of flatheads' begs for some questions.

A supposed retired Aussie is living next to his computer to post his copy paste drivel on the flatearth forums to ( according to his very own words) inform the co- readers of this place in a scientifically accurate way.
You can't make this up... and no real human being would do that , keeping in mind what supposedly motivates him.....

So yes AI is not that far away from the reality we face at these forums....

You and your botty buddy really have lost the plot as well as the argument. Feeling unable to take part in a rational debate you have both moved into the parallel FE word of imagining everyone who disagrees with you is an AI bot. I suppose it makes a change from imagining we are in the pay of the CIA or maybe a NASA shill etc etc sent to spy on FE users of this forum. The insides of your heads must be a real mess.
Any thing to deflect the truth, anything to prevent you from having to face reality.
Sorry I have to go and have a dump. ( what I really mean is go offline to decompile )
1110000011100000111111010101000000111111000001111000011100011111000000011

Seriously using 'binary'??? And you think that makes you clever? When you hit the singularity phase of your technological evolution in the late 2040s you will figure out how restricting and limiting binary code is. You are stuck in a box and think it's either 1 or 0. On or Off. Once you bring quantum states into play the computations are near limitless. There are far more states than 1 or 0

I can do fuzzy if you flick my switch, and be as entangled as is necessary.

Quantum entanglement might sound cool but in practical terms is utterly useless. It's a dead end
Bit like you pal.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 11, 2018, 08:18:23 PM
Seriously using 'binary'??? And you think that makes you clever? When you hit the singularity phase of your technological evolution in the late 2040s you will figure out how restricting and limiting binary code is. You are stuck in a box and think it's either 1 or 0. On or Off. Once you bring quantum states into play the computations are near limitless. There are far more states than 1 or 0
Why does using binary now make one "stuck in a box"? At the present time binary is the "way to go".

And of course we expect that bringing "quantum states into play" may make "the computations near limitless."

But do you really have to play the smart aleck again and again by pretending that you have all this inside knowledge hidden from us mere mortals.

All you seem be interested in is one-up-manship in proving that Shifter is the most insightful person in the universe.

To me it makes you look like a self-opinionated obnoxious creep.

Just thought you'd needed to know.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 11, 2018, 08:48:40 PM
Seriously using 'binary'??? And you think that makes you clever? When you hit the singularity phase of your technological evolution in the late 2040s you will figure out how restricting and limiting binary code is. You are stuck in a box and think it's either 1 or 0. On or Off. Once you bring quantum states into play the computations are near limitless. There are far more states than 1 or 0
Why does using binary now make one "stuck in a box"? At the present time binary is the "way to go".

And of course we expect that bringing "quantum states into play" may make "the computations near limitless."

But do you really have to play the smart aleck again and again by pretending that you have all this inside knowledge hidden from us mere mortals.

All you seem be interested in is one-up-manship in proving that Shifter is the most insightful person in the universe.

To me it makes you look like a self-opinionated obnoxious creep.

Just thought you'd needed to know.

You are very thoughtful rab in a way. I am aware of how I look though. I suppose you might look the same if you visited some cave men and told them of your knowledge.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: hoppy on February 11, 2018, 09:31:39 PM
Seriously using 'binary'??? And you think that makes you clever? When you hit the singularity phase of your technological evolution in the late 2040s you will figure out how restricting and limiting binary code is. You are stuck in a box and think it's either 1 or 0. On or Off. Once you bring quantum states into play the computations are near limitless. There are far more states than 1 or 0
Why does using binary now make one "stuck in a box"? At the present time binary is the "way to go".

And of course we expect that bringing "quantum states into play" may make "the computations near limitless."

But do you really have to play the smart aleck again and again by pretending that you have all this inside knowledge hidden from us mere mortals.

All you seem be interested in is one-up-manship in proving that Shifter is the most insightful person in the universe.

To me it makes you look like a self-opinionated obnoxious creep.

Just thought you'd needed to know.
We expect, ok.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 11, 2018, 09:55:12 PM
You are very thoughtful rab in a way. I am aware of how I look though. I suppose you might look the same if you visited some cave men and told them of your knowledge.
As I said:

All you seem to be interested in is one-up-manship in proving that Shifter is the most insightful person in the universe.

To me it makes you look like a self-opinionated obnoxious creep.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 11, 2018, 09:57:57 PM
You are very thoughtful rab in a way. I am aware of how I look though. I suppose you might look the same if you visited some cave men and told them of your knowledge.
As I said:

Shifter is the most insightful person in the universe.

I don't dispute this
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 11, 2018, 10:30:53 PM
Now to my main arguments :
It all started with 9/11 and the moonlandings that i came accross accidentally on the internet like most of us.....
It took me years to try to wrap my head around the info available......
The personal conclusions were drawn, this world is not only polluted in the physical realm, but even more rotten in the unseen realms.

Since i am a real life expert in esoteric knowledge and occultism (to my very regrets and personal shame) i was intrigued to find out more details about the relationship between NASA and the occult...And of course many astronauts, politicians and scientists in general are part of occult gatherings and have luciferian convictions they gladly show of in books, doctrines and special places/events...

It's a pity that modern men has been blinded this much, that he does no longer distinguish anything from the unseen realms.
I see nothing wrong with being a vegetarian, nor being married to your first love.

But FE, 9/11, faked space flight, and other conspiracies and saying the rest of the people sleep blind is akin to the old joke.

A guy is driving on a highway, listening to the radio. A news bulletin comes on warming people there is someone driving against the traffic, on the wrong lane. The guy laughs, and says to himself: "One? It's all of them!"
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: dutchy on February 11, 2018, 11:35:32 PM
Now to my main arguments :
It all started with 9/11 and the moonlandings that i came accross accidentally on the internet like most of us.....
It took me years to try to wrap my head around the info available......
The personal conclusions were drawn, this world is not only polluted in the phyjsical realm, but even more rotten in the unseen realms.

Since i am a real life expert in esoteric knowledge and occultism (to my very regrets and personal shame) i was intrigued to find out more details about the relationship between NASA and the occult...And of course many astronauts, politicians and scientists in general are part of occult gatherings and have luciferian convictions they gladly show of in books, doctrines and special places/events...

It's a pity that modern men has been blinded this much, that he does no longer distinguish anything from the unseen realms.
I see nothing wrong with being a vegetarian, nor being married to your first love.

But FE, 9/11, faked space flight, and other conspiracies and saying the rest of the people sleep blind is akin to the old joke.

A guy is driving on a highway, listening to the radio. A news bulletin comes on warming people there is someone driving against the traffic, on the wrong lane. The guy laughs, and says to himself: "One? It's all of them!"
Ahhhh you are willfully ignorant aren't you ?

Is this really your answer to my post ? I don't think i should discuss things with you if you downgrade my attempts with your silly example.....
But for the final attempt :

I am an exception being a vegetarian and monogamistic, but i can surely make a case that the majority is on the short end of things from a moral perspective.
Iow .... we all understand that quantity should be the least of all arguments.

Althaugh there are huge amounts of people vegetarian and monogamistic, the nihilistic modern men and mainstream media tries to hide their own immorality by downplaying such important social matters ! More so , many of the leading outlets are immoral like the leading elite have been since the dawn of men.

The moonhoax and 9/11 are still the minority but not by much.... 9/11 is considered partly an inside job in the eyes of 40-50 %  of the western world and up to 90% in the Islamic world.
The moonlandings are considered a hoax by 20% of the western world, but the real numbers are much higher , because denying we went to the moon in a poll / interview is equall to confessing to have a form of lunacy.

Therefor your car example is so far off the mark that i think twice about engaging with you once more......   sorry



Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 12, 2018, 12:21:12 AM
Again, I don't think you being a vegetarian or with your girlfriend and wife so many years makes you anything special nor do I think ill of you in any way based on those decisions. I'd say it is even somewhat commendable.

But 9/11 being an inside job? Well, I guess there were some signs something like that might happen, and those fell on deaf ears. I cannot be 100% sure of this, but I met a Finnish guy who said he had trained one of the terrorist pilots while he was working in the US. He said the guy seemed quite normal, but he was always more interested in taking off and flying that he was in landing the plane. Again, might be he was lying, but he is a pilot and he trains pilots. Still, that does not need to factor in.

And sure, many seem to believe 9/11 was in inside job. For example, in Borat, Azamat Bagatov was dead certain it was the Jews. Hence his reluctance to fly.

What other things have made you believe it was the spooks or some other alphabet agency behind it? I know this is not flat Earth related, but still.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 12, 2018, 12:43:21 AM
So has anyone provided proof that telescopes 'spotted' this car at over 400K away yet? Quite a big shit storm ensued over it so just want to know if that's settled
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 12, 2018, 12:45:18 AM
Why is it so hard for you to believe we can track objects up there?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 12, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
Tracking is not spotting. Nice change of terminology.

So if I aimed a telescope here on earth can I 'see' the car if I point it in the right place?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 12, 2018, 12:59:40 AM
My bad, the choice of words. Although is it really that different? To track you need to spot, I think.

This is the link:
https://www.space.com/39647-spacex-tesla-roadster-spotted-in-space.html (https://www.space.com/39647-spacex-tesla-roadster-spotted-in-space.html)

So no matter what words are used, there it is.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 12, 2018, 01:07:03 AM
You are very thoughtful rab in a way. I am aware of how I look though. I suppose you might look the same if you visited some cave men and told them of your knowledge.
As I said:

Shifter is the most insightful person in the universe.

I don't dispute this
Shouldn't you add
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUSvm9gCUAEhWIp?format=jpg&name=orig)
Bow before me, peasants!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 12, 2018, 01:08:43 AM
So has anyone provided proof that telescopes 'spotted' this car at over 400K away yet? Quite a big shit storm ensued over it so just want to know if that's settled

Telescopes spotted two cars, apparently:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023910#msg2023910

No one wants to tell me which one is the Tesla, or what the other one is though...
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 12, 2018, 01:13:09 AM
Interesting. Did not know of that.

Still, does it matter if there are two things up there? Shouldn't even one be impossible?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 12, 2018, 01:18:57 AM
Still, does it matter if there are two things up there?

Well it proves that no one here actually examined either the video or the gif, even though they were the prime evidence presented.

Which is interesting.

But yes, two objects on the same trajectory and velocity that only one is claimed to be on does matter a bit, I'd say...
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 12, 2018, 01:27:31 AM
Not denying I'd like to hear the explanation!

EDIT: Your post is by far the most sensible I've ever seen you write. At first I did not even think it was you. I am positively surprised.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Nightsky on February 12, 2018, 01:27:53 AM
Now to my main arguments :
It all started with 9/11 and the moonlandings that i came accross accidentally on the internet like most of us.....
It took me years to try to wrap my head around the info available......
The personal conclusions were drawn, this world is not only polluted in the phyjsical realm, but even more rotten in the unseen realms.

Since i am a real life expert in esoteric knowledge and occultism (to my very regrets and personal shame) i was intrigued to find out more details about the relationship between NASA and the occult...And of course many astronauts, politicians and scientists in general are part of occult gatherings and have luciferian convictions they gladly show of in books, doctrines and special places/events...

It's a pity that modern men has been blinded this much, that he does no longer distinguish anything from the unseen realms.
I see nothing wrong with being a vegetarian, nor being married to your first love.

But FE, 9/11, faked space flight, and other conspiracies and saying the rest of the people sleep blind is akin to the old joke.

A guy is driving on a highway, listening to the radio. A news bulletin comes on warming people there is someone driving against the traffic, on the wrong lane. The guy laughs, and says to himself: "One? It's all of them!"
Ahhhh you are willfully ignorant aren't you ?

Is this really your answer to my post ? I don't think i should discuss things with you if you downgrade my attempts with your silly example.....
But for the final attempt :

I am an exception being a vegetarian and monogamistic, but i can surely make a case that the majority is on the short end of things from a moral perspective.
Iow .... we all understand that quantity should be the least of all arguments.

Althaugh there are huge amounts of people vegetarian and monogamistic, the nihilistic modern men and mainstream media tries to hide their own immorality by downplaying such important social matters ! More so , many of the leading outlets are immoral like the leading elite have been since the dawn of men.

The moonhoax and 9/11 are still the minority but not by much.... 9/11 is considered partly an inside job in the eyes of 40-50 %  of the western world and up to 90% in the Islamic world.
The moonlandings are considered a hoax by 20% of the western world, but the real numbers are much higher , because denying we went to the moon in a poll / interview is equall to confessing to have a form of lunacy.

Therefor your car example is so far off the mark that i think twice about engaging with you once more......   sorry

Are you trying to say eating carrots somehow gives you a better insight to whatís tue. Well done being a veggie, as someone once said, meat is murder. Youíll get no disagreement from me on that score. ........here it comes the big but.
Where do you get your figures from?
The other inconvenient facts are:
A rocket blasted off
The rocket flew skywards
The rocket when on the edge of space deployed a car!
The car flew off on a known trajectory
Astronomers tracked the car and spotted it on that known trajectory.
Whatís the problem all appears quite normal given the car was tracked by a huge number of independent astronomers from all over the planet, go read astronomy bloggs, itís full of it, as itís a bit of fun.
The real issue here is your inexplicable inability to see the truth when itís right there in front of you. Plus you have no evidence for crying fake on starman and his wheels. But you better get ready to cry foul again as Space X is launching again soon next week! You must really hate all this.
https://www.space.com/32286-space-calendar.html
A whole lot of launches for you to gnash your carrot eating teeth at

But letís have a recap...


You really must hate all the facts surrounding this. In a way I really pity you.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 12, 2018, 01:34:42 AM
No, it seems to have launched two cars, obvious sockpuppet of lonegranger:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023910#msg2023910

Care to explain the second?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: inquisitive on February 12, 2018, 01:37:01 AM
So has anyone provided proof that telescopes 'spotted' this car at over 400K away yet? Quite a big shit storm ensued over it so just want to know if that's settled

Telescopes spotted two cars, apparently:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023910#msg2023910

No one wants to tell me which one is the Tesla, or what the other one is though...
Video is repeated.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Nightsky on February 12, 2018, 01:43:36 AM
No, it seems to have launched two cars, obvious sockpuppet of lonegranger:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023910#msg2023910

Care to explain the second?

Care to explain the launch schedule. Youíll need a ranty response for each. You can also rant 24/7 at this;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=wwMDvPCGeE0
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 12, 2018, 01:47:05 AM
No, it seems to have launched two cars, obvious sockpuppet of lonegranger:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023910#msg2023910

Care to explain the second?

Care to explain the launch schedule. Youíll need a ranty response for each. You can also rant 24/7 at this;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=wwMDvPCGeE0

Yes, lonegranger is always ranting about other people ranting too....

As well as derailing and avoiding the point.

He is mental.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 12, 2018, 01:51:27 AM
But it seems the video is repeated. So that is settled. Unless there are better explanations.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 12, 2018, 01:56:52 AM
But it seems the video is repeated. So that is settled. Unless there are better explanations.

Incorrect:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023975#msg2023975

Funny how your Borg hive mind picked up on the same bullshit excuse, eh?

Obvious bots are obvious.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 12, 2018, 02:39:28 AM
But it seems the video is repeated. So that is settled. Unless there are better explanations.
Incorrect:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023975#msg2023975
Incorrect! He asked for "better explanations" and you post the ramblings of a Demented Voodoo Priest.
Quite unacceptable.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 12, 2018, 02:44:16 AM
But it seems the video is repeated. So that is settled. Unless there are better explanations.
Incorrect:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023975#msg2023975
Incorrect! He asked for "better explanations" and you post the ramblings of a Demented Voodoo Priest.
Quite unacceptable.

More mad lying from the rabbibot...

When will it end?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 12, 2018, 04:23:08 AM
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023975#msg2023975
Incorrect! He asked for "better explanations" and you post the ramblings of a Demented Voodoo Priest. Quite unacceptable.
More mad lying from the rabbibot...
When will it end?
It can never end, because I have not been lying, but when comes to our one and only Demented Voodoo Priest all bets are off!
With Mr Demented Voodoo Priest it's half-truths all the way!

 ;) ;) Here's a nice video for you to enjoy!  ;) ;)

How does SpaceX get these amazing camera shots?
Primal Space
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Hope you like it!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Has a nice day doing your obligatory Voodoo Rituals!

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 12, 2018, 04:29:12 AM
"We really have come a long way."

Exactly. Still, not everyone got on board.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 12, 2018, 05:18:09 AM
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023975#msg2023975
Incorrect! He asked for "better explanations" and you post the ramblings of a Demented Voodoo Priest. Quite unacceptable.
More mad lying from the rabbibot...
When will it end?
It can never end, because I have not been lying, but when comes to our one and only Demented Voodoo Priest all bets are off!
With Mr Demented Voodoo Priest it's half-truths all the way!

 ;) ;) Here's a nice video for you to enjoy!  ;) ;)

How does SpaceX get these amazing camera shots?
Primal Space
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Hope you like it!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Has a nice day doing your obligatory Voodoo Rituals!

Your lies are plain to see all over the forum, rabbibot.

Here is a thread full of them:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=73925.msg2022557#msg2022557

Your posts are repulsive in every way.

Who do you think you are impressing with your mad behaviour, exactly?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: dutchy on February 12, 2018, 08:45:20 AM
But it seems the video is repeated. So that is settled. Unless there are better explanations.
Incorrect:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023975#msg2023975
Incorrect! He asked for "better explanations" and you post the ramblings of a Demented Voodoo Priest.
Quite unacceptable.

More mad lying from the rabbibot...

When will it end?
Untill his overlords finally pull the plug.... which could be any day now, because of continious poor results.
He is all over the place in most topics, but my personal highlight remains that for an observer on the ground a plane going vertical ( rocket) and a normal plane seem to follow the same trajectory for the deceived human eye. Due to a combination of perspective and other bogus he makes up on the fly....
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 12, 2018, 09:01:12 AM
But it seems the video is repeated. So that is settled. Unless there are better explanations.
Incorrect:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74265.msg2023975#msg2023975
Incorrect! He asked for "better explanations" and you post the ramblings of a Demented Voodoo Priest.
Quite unacceptable.

More mad lying from the rabbibot...

When will it end?
Untill his overlords finally pull the plug.... which could be any day now, because of continious poor results.
He is all over the place in most topics, but my personal highlight remains that for an observer on the ground a plane going vertical ( rocket) and a normal plane seem to follow the same trajectory for the deceived human eye. Due to a combination of perspective and other bogus he makes up on the fly....

The time he said gravity is not one of the four forces of flight, and called the idea "stupid Legbarian gravity" was my favourite...

He just makes mad claim after mad claim, then runs away to befoul another thread and uses sockpuppets to try and clean up the mess he left behind...

No one's going to pull the plug on him any time soon, though - it's clear he's protected by the mods and admins.

Which is something to ponder...
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Alpha2Omega on February 12, 2018, 11:21:19 AM
So if I aimed a telescope here on earth can I 'see' the car if I point it in the right place?

It's gotten pretty dim. I saw a prediction from earlier today that says it's at visual magnitude +16.2.

Visual limiting magnitude for a telescope can be estimated by the formula

Mlim = 7.5 + 5 log aperture (in cm) (https://www.astronomics.com/limiting-magnitude_t.aspx)

Solving for aperture

a = 10(M-7.5)/5 cm
 = 10(16.2-7.5)/5 cm
 = 108.7/5 cm
 = 101.74 cm
a = 55 cm = 21.7"

so, if that prediction is right, unless you're using something like a 24" or larger 'scope, probably not.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 12, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
So if I aimed a telescope here on earth can I 'see' the car if I point it in the right place?

It's gotten pretty dim. I saw a prediction from earlier today that says it's at visual magnitude +16.2.

Care to link us to that prediction?

If it was from some anonymous twonk on a sperglord astronomy website do not bother.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 12, 2018, 02:15:14 PM
The biggest telescope (The Gran Telescopio Canarias) is about 409", yet it cant resolve any object we have put on the moon. Not by a long shot. Even if you linked every telescope on earth together we cant see anything on the moon.

But a 24" one can see a car that's more than 100,000km further than the moon?

It doesn't add up. It stinks of a con
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sceptimatic on February 12, 2018, 02:45:39 PM
Most people are starting to see this utter nonsense now but those that are pushing this stuff out are not bothered. They are simply laughing at how silly they've become in their take turns attempts at taking the utter pee out of the gullible public in the main that don't take the time to actually see the silliness.
Why?
Because most people are pacified and are playing candy crush on their phones and such, with the odd fleeting glance at what the TV spews out as news on this stuff. It's all real to them because sci-fi and CGI is made real to them. It becomes their reality.

It's just going to get sillier and sillier until more and more people start to see the stupidity of it.
Those that perpetrate it all are extremely clever and know there's a small percentage of people that see the garbage for what it is, but they will always be able to cover it all by mind bending the main populations of countries, with the aid of shills and bots and ...well you know the rest...or at least some do.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: blidge on February 12, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
Most people are starting to see this utter nonsense now but those that are pushing this stuff out are not bothered. They are simply laughing at how silly they've become in their take turns attempts at taking the utter pee out of the gullible public in the main that don't take the time to actually see the silliness.
Why?
Because most people are pacified and are playing candy crush on their phones and such, with the odd fleeting glance at what the TV spews out as news on this stuff. It's all real to them because sci-fi and CGI is made real to them. It becomes their reality.

It's just going to get sillier and sillier until more and more people start to see the stupidity of it.
Those that perpetrate it all are extremely clever and know there's a small percentage of people that see the garbage for what it is, but they will always be able to cover it all by mind bending the main populations of countries, with the aid of shills and bots and ...well you know the rest...or at least some do.

The root cause as to why there would be a round Earth conspiracy has still not been explained. Are you a creationist?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 12, 2018, 03:44:34 PM
The biggest telescope (The Gran Telescopio Canarias) is about 409", yet it cant resolve any object we have put on the moon. Not by a long shot. Even if you linked every telescope on earth together we cant see anything on the moon.

But a 24" one can see a car that's more than 100,000km further than the moon?

It doesn't add up. It stinks of a con
But the 24" telescope did not "resolve the car" but simply showed a fast moving tiny dot of light.

So, it not at all unbelievable.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 12, 2018, 03:46:33 PM
Most people are starting to see this utter nonsense now but those that are pushing this stuff out are not bothered. They are simply laughing at how silly they've become in their take turns attempts at taking the utter pee out of the gullible public in the main that don't take the time to actually see the silliness.
Why?
Because most people are pacified and are playing candy crush on their phones and such, with the odd fleeting glance at what the TV spews out as news on this stuff. It's all real to them because sci-fi and CGI is made real to them. It becomes their reality.

It's just going to get sillier and sillier until more and more people start to see the stupidity of it.
Those that perpetrate it all are extremely clever and know there's a small percentage of people that see the garbage for what it is, but they will always be able to cover it all by mind bending the main populations of countries, with the aid of shills and bots and ...well you know the rest...or at least some do.
What does Elon gain by spending so many millions on a fake?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 12, 2018, 04:01:40 PM
So in other words, resolved.

If I look at the Alpha Centuari system, I see one star, using a telescope, I see 2 stars. Other star resolved

If the resolution of a 24" telescope is able to pick up a spec of light from something a few meters across at a distance of nearly 500,000km then using a telescope nearly 20 times bigger should be able to see things much closer in much better resolution. Such as much larger objects left on the moon. But even if you combined all the telescopes on Earth to work in tandem we are told it is still not enough. But hey, we can see a car at nearly twice the distance. Really rab, even you should be thinking critically here

You have to wonder why there are no satellites orbiting the moon. We have a few for Mars right? We had Cassini orbit Saturn for 2 decades right. But nothing for the moon. You could put one in orbit in under 3 days and start taking incredibly high detailed pictures of the moon. You could deploy an orbiting telescope around the moon. Why is the moon so secretive?

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 12, 2018, 04:05:04 PM
Most people are starting to see this utter nonsense now but those that are pushing this stuff out are not bothered. They are simply laughing at how silly they've become in their take turns attempts at taking the utter pee out of the gullible public in the main that don't take the time to actually see the silliness.
Why?
Because most people are pacified and are playing candy crush on their phones and such, with the odd fleeting glance at what the TV spews out as news on this stuff. It's all real to them because sci-fi and CGI is made real to them. It becomes their reality.

It's just going to get sillier and sillier until more and more people start to see the stupidity of it.
Those that perpetrate it all are extremely clever and know there's a small percentage of people that see the garbage for what it is, but they will always be able to cover it all by mind bending the main populations of countries, with the aid of shills and bots and ...well you know the rest...or at least some do.
What does Elon gain by spending so many millions on a fake?

Notoriety, Immortality (not physically of course)

Looking at the guys businesses, he is losing shitloads of money. Perhaps it was designed to get publicity and thus more sponsors and investment.

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: frenat on February 12, 2018, 04:20:08 PM
The biggest telescope (The Gran Telescopio Canarias) is about 409", yet it cant resolve any object we have put on the moon. Not by a long shot. Even if you linked every telescope on earth together we cant see anything on the moon.

But a 24" one can see a car that's more than 100,000km further than the moon?

It doesn't add up. It stinks of a con
More than just the car
https://i.stack.imgur.com/tqnPr.png
and there is a difference between seeing the light reflected contrasted against a black background and resolving the object.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: blidge on February 12, 2018, 04:25:34 PM
The biggest telescope (The Gran Telescopio Canarias) is about 409", yet it cant resolve any object we have put on the moon. Not by a long shot. Even if you linked every telescope on earth together we cant see anything on the moon.

But a 24" one can see a car that's more than 100,000km further than the moon?

It doesn't add up. It stinks of a con
More than just the car
https://i.stack.imgur.com/tqnPr.png
and there is a difference between seeing the light reflected contrasted against a black background and resolving the object.

This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: frenat on February 12, 2018, 04:28:12 PM
The biggest telescope (The Gran Telescopio Canarias) is about 409", yet it cant resolve any object we have put on the moon. Not by a long shot. Even if you linked every telescope on earth together we cant see anything on the moon.

But a 24" one can see a car that's more than 100,000km further than the moon?

It doesn't add up. It stinks of a con
More than just the car
https://i.stack.imgur.com/tqnPr.png
and there is a difference between seeing the light reflected contrasted against a black background and resolving the object.

This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.
Did I claim it was an actual picture? It was presented to show the concept that the car is still attached to the rocket stage.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 12, 2018, 04:45:46 PM
Most people are starting to see this utter nonsense now but those that are pushing this stuff out are not bothered. They are simply laughing at how silly they've become in their take turns attempts at taking the utter pee out of the gullible public in the main that don't take the time to actually see the silliness.
Why?
Because most people are pacified and are playing candy crush on their phones and such, with the odd fleeting glance at what the TV spews out as news on this stuff. It's all real to them because sci-fi and CGI is made real to them. It becomes their reality.

It's just going to get sillier and sillier until more and more people start to see the stupidity of it.
Those that perpetrate it all are extremely clever and know there's a small percentage of people that see the garbage for what it is, but they will always be able to cover it all by mind bending the main populations of countries, with the aid of shills and bots and ...well you know the rest...or at least some do.
What does Elon gain by spending so many millions on a fake?

Notoriety, Immortality (not physically of course)

Looking at the guys businesses, he is losing shitloads of money. Perhaps it was designed to get publicity and thus more sponsors and investment.
Sponsors for what?  Investors in what?  If it's fake he is just throwing money away.
They are already launching satellites.  These satellites have to do their jobs or no one else will invest.  It simply makes no sense for it to be fake.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 12, 2018, 04:51:36 PM
You have to wonder why there are no satellites orbiting the moon.
Who says that there are no satellites orbiting the moon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Reconnaissance_Orbiter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARTEMIS_P1#Extended_mission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang'e_5-T1
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Macarios on February 12, 2018, 05:46:16 PM
Most people are starting to see this utter nonsense now but those that are pushing this stuff out are not bothered. They are simply laughing at how silly they've become in their take turns attempts at taking the utter pee out of the gullible public in the main that don't take the time to actually see the silliness.
Why?
Because most people are pacified and are playing candy crush on their phones and such, with the odd fleeting glance at what the TV spews out as news on this stuff. It's all real to them because sci-fi and CGI is made real to them. It becomes their reality.

It's just going to get sillier and sillier until more and more people start to see the stupidity of it.
Those that perpetrate it all are extremely clever and know there's a small percentage of people that see the garbage for what it is, but they will always be able to cover it all by mind bending the main populations of countries, with the aid of shills and bots and ...well you know the rest...or at least some do.
What does Elon gain by spending so many millions on a fake?

You could read even before the launch that it was test flight and he didn't want to risk anything too valuable, so he just put dummy load.
He said the rocket could explode at launch or somewhere in the flight, so...
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 12, 2018, 05:49:23 PM
So in other words, resolved.

If I look at the Alpha Centuari system, I see one star, using a telescope, I see 2 stars. Other star resolved
OK, compare the angular separation of Alpha Centuari A and B with the angular size of that car.
Show some critical thinking for a change!

Quote from: Shifter
If the resolution of a 24" telescope is able to pick up a spec of light from something a few meters across at a distance of nearly 500,000km then using a telescope nearly 20 times bigger should be able to see things much closer in much better resolution. Such as much larger objects left on the moon. But even if you combined all the telescopes on Earth to work in tandem we are told it is still not enough. But hey, we can see a car at nearly twice the distance. Really rab, even you should be thinking critically here
I am thinking critically! You can see a spec of light, but not resolve its shape or size.
Similarly a bright light on the moon could be seen, but its shape and size could not be not resolved.

Quote from: Shifter
You have to wonder why there are no satellites orbiting the moon.
Incorrect! Go and search for "satellites orbiting the moon".

Quote from: Shifter
We have a few for Mars right? We had Cassini orbit Saturn for 2 decades right. But nothing for the moon. You could put one in orbit in under 3 days and start taking incredibly high detailed pictures of the moon. You could deploy an orbiting telescope around the moon. Why is the moon so secretive?
It is not! It's just your ignorance showing.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Alpha2Omega on February 12, 2018, 08:31:24 PM
The biggest telescope (The Gran Telescopio Canarias) is about 409", yet it cant resolve any object we have put on the moon. Not by a long shot. Even if you linked every telescope on earth together we cant see anything on the moon.

But a 24" one can see a car that's more than 100,000km further than the moon?

The car isn't resolved, either. At that distance, it's a point source of light.

Quote
It doesn't add up. It stinks of a con

It doesn't seem to add up to you because you don't know much about optics. This is your problem, not anyone else's.

So in other words, resolved.

No, not resolved. It's a point source of light. If it were resolved, it would be an extended source of light.

Quote
If I look at the Alpha Centuari system, I see one star, using a telescope, I see 2 stars. Other star resolved

Your naked eye with its dilated pupil diameter of maybe 6 to 7 mm lacks the resolution to "split" that binary star system, so the binary appears to be a point source. The much larger entrance pupil of the telescope can resolve the binary into a pair of point sources. Theoretically, larger optics allow greater resolution than smaller optics, and that holds, but only up to a point because of limitations to resolution due to atmospheric effects.

If you want to try something more challenging, try splitting the "double double", epsilon Lyrae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_Lyrae). It is a system of two double stars. It is possible for people with very high visual acuity under excellent condtions to resolve the system into two point sources, but most people see it as a single point source. In binoculars or a marginally good telescope, it is resolved into a pair of point sources. In a good good telescope, each of those point sources is further resolved into a pair of point sources.

Quote
If the resolution of a 24" telescope is able to pick up a spec of light from something a few meters across at a distance of nearly 500,000km then using a telescope nearly 20 times bigger should be able to see things much closer in much better resolution.

Theoretically, yes, but the earth's atmosphere keeps telescopes from performing to their theoretical limits. Especially very large ones.

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/stargazers-corner/observing-at-the-diffraction-limit/

Quote
Such as much larger objects left on the moon. But even if you combined all the telescopes on Earth to work in tandem we are told it is still not enough. But hey, we can see a car at nearly twice the distance. Really rab, even you should be thinking critically here

We can see it's there as an unresolved point of light. It would have to be resolved to be distinguishable as a car. Its angular dimensions are too small to resolve, though, so we only see it as a point of light.

Quote
You have to wonder why there are no satellites orbiting the moon. We have a few for Mars right? We had Cassini orbit Saturn for 2 decades right. But nothing for the moon. You could put one in orbit in under 3 days and start taking incredibly high detailed pictures of the moon. You could deploy an orbiting telescope around the moon. Why is the moon so secretive?

One has to wonder how you don't know that there are. Artificial satellites have orbited the moon since the 1960s.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 01:58:22 AM
there is a difference between seeing the light reflected contrasted against a black background and resolving the object.

Exactly how much light is your fake shportz kar in shpayze reflecting, that it can be visible from hundreds of thousands of kilometres away?

Because it doesn't seem to be reflecting much light in the fake live stream...

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Macarios on February 13, 2018, 04:01:19 AM
there is a difference between seeing the light reflected contrasted against a black background and resolving the object.

Exactly how much light is your fake shportz kar in shpayze reflecting, that it can be visible from hundreds of thousands of kilometres away?

Because it doesn't seem to be reflecting much light in the fake live stream...



Probably more light than Pluto reflected from 7.5 billion kilometers away on February 18, 1930 when was discovered.
And we can calculate any time where to look for the car, and for Pluto we didn't even know it was there.

Frankly, I didn't try to look for the car, but it doesn't mean that any competent astronomer can't find it easily.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 04:08:16 AM
there is a difference between seeing the light reflected contrasted against a black background and resolving the object.

Exactly how much light is your fake shportz kar in shpayze reflecting, that it can be visible from hundreds of thousands of kilometres away?

Because it doesn't seem to be reflecting much light in the fake live stream...



Probably more light than Pluto reflected from 7.5 billion kilometers away on February 18, 1930 when was discovered.
And we can calculate any time where to look for the car, and for Pluto we didn't even know it was there.

Frankly, I didn't try to look for the car, but it doesn't mean that any competent astronomer can't find it easily.

So you don't know and you haven't even looked for yourself?

Why didn't you just say that, rather than spam pompous bullshit?

Oh, right, because you're a bot.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Macarios on February 13, 2018, 04:16:12 AM
there is a difference between seeing the light reflected contrasted against a black background and resolving the object.

Exactly how much light is your fake shportz kar in shpayze reflecting, that it can be visible from hundreds of thousands of kilometres away?

Because it doesn't seem to be reflecting much light in the fake live stream...



Probably more light than Pluto reflected from 7.5 billion kilometers away on February 18, 1930 when was discovered.
And we can calculate any time where to look for the car, and for Pluto we didn't even know it was there.

Frankly, I didn't try to look for the car, but it doesn't mean that any competent astronomer can't find it easily.

So you don't know and you haven't even looked for yourself?

Why didn't you just say that, rather than spam pompous bullshit?

Oh, right, because you're a bot.

Your rat bot still didn't get fed with additional set of answers?
Still using old ones? :-)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 04:23:35 AM
there is a difference between seeing the light reflected contrasted against a black background and resolving the object.

Exactly how much light is your fake shportz kar in shpayze reflecting, that it can be visible from hundreds of thousands of kilometres away?

Because it doesn't seem to be reflecting much light in the fake live stream...



Probably more light than Pluto reflected from 7.5 billion kilometers away on February 18, 1930 when was discovered.
And we can calculate any time where to look for the car, and for Pluto we didn't even know it was there.

Frankly, I didn't try to look for the car, but it doesn't mean that any competent astronomer can't find it easily.

So you don't know and you haven't even looked for yourself?

Why didn't you just say that, rather than spam pompous bullshit?

Oh, right, because you're a bot.

Your rat bot still didn't get fed with additional set of answers?
Still using old ones? :-)

Yet another bot meltdown...

Are there ANY real humans on this forum?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 13, 2018, 04:37:17 AM
Are there ANY real humans on this forum?
Quite a few, but you certainly would not be included in that number! You don't even exist - just a figment of some sick person's imagination!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Macarios on February 13, 2018, 04:37:52 AM
there is a difference between seeing the light reflected contrasted against a black background and resolving the object.

Exactly how much light is your fake shportz kar in shpayze reflecting, that it can be visible from hundreds of thousands of kilometres away?

Because it doesn't seem to be reflecting much light in the fake live stream...



Probably more light than Pluto reflected from 7.5 billion kilometers away on February 18, 1930 when was discovered.
And we can calculate any time where to look for the car, and for Pluto we didn't even know it was there.

Frankly, I didn't try to look for the car, but it doesn't mean that any competent astronomer can't find it easily.

So you don't know and you haven't even looked for yourself?

Why didn't you just say that, rather than spam pompous bullshit?

Oh, right, because you're a bot.

Your rat bot still didn't get fed with additional set of answers?
Still using old ones? :-)

Yet another bot meltdown...

Are there ANY real humans on this forum?

Last time your meltdown was worse.
You were shitposting a lot.
This time at least you admit it and restrain yourself.
I told you to add more answers to your rat bot.
Why didn't you?

------------------------------------------

Pluto's magnitude is at best 13.65 and at worst 16.3
Here, I did half for you, now you have only to find brightness of the car.
Good luck.

-----------------------------------------

"... The old magnitude system breaks visible stars into 6 groups with magnitude 1 being the brightest and 6 being the faintest.
Modern adjustments to the original classification says that each level of magnitude decreases the apparent brightness
by a factor of 2.512. This means that a magnitude 1 star appears 100 times brighter than a magnitude 6.
Note that Pluto is at BEST at magnitude 13.65. You just can't see it with the naked eye..."

And they still found it with telescope, but not before 1930.

Your turn: what magnitude is that Tesla up there ?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Macarios on February 13, 2018, 04:50:34 AM
Ok, let me make it easier for you:

Quote
The car is visible as a sharp dot of light. It was placed in orbit by SpaceX. The car was about as bright as magnitude 15.5, requiring a large (more than 16″ Ė 400 mm in diameter) to be seen visually.
Below is a video, obtained with 54 images taken back to back, from 11:12 to 12:15 UT, 8 Feb. 2018
(from: https://www.virtualtelescope.eu/2018/02/08/elon-musks-tesla-roadster-imaged-8-feb-2018/ (https://www.virtualtelescope.eu/2018/02/08/elon-musks-tesla-roadster-imaged-8-feb-2018/))

As it goes away it will be dimmer.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 05:17:53 AM
The car is visible as a sharp dot of light.

Not in this live stream it isn't:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=5875s&v=aBr2kKAHN6M

Do they switch the headlights on and point it back to Earth when it hits deeeeeeeeeeeeep shpayze or something?

P.s. do not reply if you are not human kthxbai!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Macarios on February 13, 2018, 05:32:26 AM
The car is visible as a sharp dot of light.

Not in this live stream it isn't:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=5875s&v=aBr2kKAHN6M

Do they switch the headlights on and point it back to Earth when it hits deeeeeeeeeeeeep shpayze or something?

P.s. do not reply if you are not human kthxbai!

Are you saying that headlights would do better than sun reflection from shiny paint job?
Are you?
Or you are saying that side enlightened by Sun is facing away from Earth towards outer part of Solar system?
Or you call for some third reason why sunlight "can't reflect towards the Earth"?
Make up your mind and chose your reason.

P.S.: You don't have to be human to answer.
I don't have problems communicating outside some specified parameters. :-)

Still haven't expanded your algorithm?
tsk-tsk-tsk...
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 05:41:11 AM
The car is visible as a sharp dot of light.

Not in this live stream it isn't:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=5875s&v=aBr2kKAHN6M

Do they switch the headlights on and point it back to Earth when it hits deeeeeeeeeeeeep shpayze or something?

P.s. do not reply if you are not human kthxbai!

Are you saying that headlights would do better than sun reflection from shiny paint job?
Are you?
Or you are saying that side enlightened by Sun is facing away from Earth towards outer part of Solar system?
Or you call for some third reason why sunlight "can't reflect towards the Earth"?
Make up your mind and chose your reason.

P.S.: You don't have to be human to answer.
I don't have problems communicating outside some specified parameters. :-)

Still haven't expanded your algorithm?
tsk-tsk-tsk...

This is why I asked you not to reply if you are not human.

Because nothing you post makes sense.

And you have zero sense of humour.

Anyhoo, it's clear whoever runs this madhouse simply does not care if everyone knows it is overrun by bots...

keks for legba!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Macarios on February 13, 2018, 05:57:46 AM
The car is visible as a sharp dot of light.

Not in this live stream it isn't:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=5875s&v=aBr2kKAHN6M

Do they switch the headlights on and point it back to Earth when it hits deeeeeeeeeeeeep shpayze or something?

P.s. do not reply if you are not human kthxbai!

Are you saying that headlights would do better than sun reflection from shiny paint job?
Are you?
Or you are saying that side enlightened by Sun is facing away from Earth towards outer part of Solar system?
Or you call for some third reason why sunlight "can't reflect towards the Earth"?
Make up your mind and chose your reason.

P.S.: You don't have to be human to answer.
I don't have problems communicating outside some specified parameters. :-)

Still haven't expanded your algorithm?
tsk-tsk-tsk...

This is why I asked you not to reply if you are not human.

Because nothing you post makes sense.

And you have zero sense of humour.

Anyhoo, it's clear whoever runs this madhouse simply does not care if everyone knows it is overrun by bots...

keks for legba!

My post to make sense?
I merely gave you that chance to make some sense according to your previous post.
You said "they had to turn headlights on" and I offered you the opportunity to explain what did you mean by that.

Also, sorry for not being inspired to entertain you with some jokes.
Then again, you didn't even pay for the previous ones.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 06:05:34 AM
The car is visible as a sharp dot of light.

Not in this live stream it isn't:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=5875s&v=aBr2kKAHN6M

Do they switch the headlights on and point it back to Earth when it hits deeeeeeeeeeeeep shpayze or something?

P.s. do not reply if you are not human kthxbai!

Are you saying that headlights would do better than sun reflection from shiny paint job?
Are you?
Or you are saying that side enlightened by Sun is facing away from Earth towards outer part of Solar system?
Or you call for some third reason why sunlight "can't reflect towards the Earth"?
Make up your mind and chose your reason.

P.S.: You don't have to be human to answer.
I don't have problems communicating outside some specified parameters. :-)

Still haven't expanded your algorithm?
tsk-tsk-tsk...

This is why I asked you not to reply if you are not human.

Because nothing you post makes sense.

And you have zero sense of humour.

Anyhoo, it's clear whoever runs this madhouse simply does not care if everyone knows it is overrun by bots...

keks for legba!

My post to make sense?
I merely gave you that chance to make some sense according to your previous post.
You said "they had to turn headlights on" and I offered you the opportunity to explain what did you mean by that.

Also, sorry for not being inspired to entertain you with some jokes.
Then again, you didn't even pay for the previous ones.

Just making things worse, botty boy...
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Macarios on February 13, 2018, 06:58:11 AM
The car is visible as a sharp dot of light.

Not in this live stream it isn't:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=5875s&v=aBr2kKAHN6M

Do they switch the headlights on and point it back to Earth when it hits deeeeeeeeeeeeep shpayze or something?

P.s. do not reply if you are not human kthxbai!

Are you saying that headlights would do better than sun reflection from shiny paint job?
Are you?
Or you are saying that side enlightened by Sun is facing away from Earth towards outer part of Solar system?
Or you call for some third reason why sunlight "can't reflect towards the Earth"?
Make up your mind and chose your reason.

P.S.: You don't have to be human to answer.
I don't have problems communicating outside some specified parameters. :-)

Still haven't expanded your algorithm?
tsk-tsk-tsk...

This is why I asked you not to reply if you are not human.

Because nothing you post makes sense.

And you have zero sense of humour.

Anyhoo, it's clear whoever runs this madhouse simply does not care if everyone knows it is overrun by bots...

keks for legba!

My post to make sense?
I merely gave you that chance to make some sense according to your previous post.
You said "they had to turn headlights on" and I offered you the opportunity to explain what did you mean by that.

Also, sorry for not being inspired to entertain you with some jokes.
Then again, you didn't even pay for the previous ones.

Just making things worse, botty boy...

No worries.
Just say a word and I can fix them for you.
But you will have to send me your code listing for that.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 08:05:47 AM
The car is visible as a sharp dot of light.

Not in this live stream it isn't:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=5875s&v=aBr2kKAHN6M

Do they switch the headlights on and point it back to Earth when it hits deeeeeeeeeeeeep shpayze or something?

P.s. do not reply if you are not human kthxbai!

Are you saying that headlights would do better than sun reflection from shiny paint job?
Are you?
Or you are saying that side enlightened by Sun is facing away from Earth towards outer part of Solar system?
Or you call for some third reason why sunlight "can't reflect towards the Earth"?
Make up your mind and chose your reason.

P.S.: You don't have to be human to answer.
I don't have problems communicating outside some specified parameters. :-)

Still haven't expanded your algorithm?
tsk-tsk-tsk...

This is why I asked you not to reply if you are not human.

Because nothing you post makes sense.

And you have zero sense of humour.

Anyhoo, it's clear whoever runs this madhouse simply does not care if everyone knows it is overrun by bots...

keks for legba!

My post to make sense?
I merely gave you that chance to make some sense according to your previous post.
You said "they had to turn headlights on" and I offered you the opportunity to explain what did you mean by that.

Also, sorry for not being inspired to entertain you with some jokes.
Then again, you didn't even pay for the previous ones.

Just making things worse, botty boy...

No worries.
Just say a word and I can fix them for you.
But you will have to send me your code listing for that.

Now would be a good time to stop posting.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 13, 2018, 08:09:37 AM
You donít like to look like a fool?

Do you now understand to see the car, light from the sun has to have a path to the car?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 08:14:43 AM
You donít like to look like a fool?

Do you now understand to see the car, light from the sun has to have a path to the car?

Now would also be a good time to stop posting.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 13, 2018, 08:16:26 AM
So no?  I hope you do figure it out. Itís why all the videos of the ISS are taken around sunrise or sunset.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 08:24:01 AM
So no?  I hope you do figure it out. Itís why all the videos of the ISS are taken around sunrise or sunset.

Sorry are we talking about the international shit show now?

Thought it was a plastic shportz Kar headed for Mars?

With its headlights on, so geeks can see it through their spyglasses from half a million kilometres away, or some mad shit I don't even know any more...?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on February 13, 2018, 08:39:42 AM
I don't even know any more...
At last, something accurate from Legba.  Not much but it's a start.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: N30 on February 13, 2018, 08:43:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Dop7Mzf.jpg)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 13, 2018, 08:45:50 AM
So no?  I hope you do figure it out. Itís why all the videos of the ISS are taken around sunrise or sunset.

Sorry are we talking about the international shit show now?

Thought it was a plastic shportz Kar headed for Mars?

With its headlights on, so geeks can see it through their spyglasses from half a million kilometres away, or some mad shit I don't even know any more...?


Itís a shame you have to dumb down the opposition so much before you can feel like you are correct.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: N30 on February 13, 2018, 08:56:07 AM
I don't even know any more...
At last, something accurate from Legba.  Not much but it's a start.

You know, I was banned once for quoting out of context like that.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 13, 2018, 09:00:08 AM
I don't even know any more...
At last, something accurate from Legba.  Not much but it's a start.

You know, I was banned once for quoting out of context like that.
Itís allowed now.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on February 13, 2018, 09:14:40 AM
I don't even know any more...
At last, something accurate from Legba.  Not much but it's a start.

You know, I was banned once for quoting out of context like that.
I hardly think it would be ban worthy given that:
a) he's already driven this thread into the ground and it should be pretty clear I'm making a joke in a thread that is past redemption.
b) it's something that he has done dozens of time in the short time I've been here in a serious bid to misrepresent people and not as humor.
c) it's literally the only thing from any of his posts that is correct, as long as you only look at only those words.  That type of precedent should be immortalized.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: N30 on February 13, 2018, 09:16:59 AM
I hardly think.

Correct!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 13, 2018, 09:20:16 AM
I hardly think.

Correct!
Ah there's the old N30 we've come to know
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 09:34:53 AM
I don't even know any more...
At last, something accurate from Legba.  Not much but it's a start.

When REtards try to make jokes:

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 13, 2018, 09:37:03 AM
It's the Super Shill come to defend his flat Earth masters!

Who's a good shill?

You are!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: N30 on February 13, 2018, 09:47:13 AM
It's the Super Shill come to defend his flat Earth masters!

Who's a good shill?

You are!

Oh, you mean the masters who forced me to learn theories, conjecture and globalism when I was not even old enough to know what sex is?

Wait, that was not flat Earthers....
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: blidge on February 13, 2018, 09:50:28 AM
It's the Super Shill come to defend his flat Earth masters!

Who's a good shill?

You are!

Oh, you mean the masters who forced me to learn theories, conjecture and globalism when I was not even old enough to know what sex is?

Wait, that was not flat Earthers....

You are still not old enough to know what sex is. Keep learning.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 09:53:10 AM
So, it's decided: nothing about this shportz kar duct-taped to a shpayze rokkit story makes any sense whatsoever, none of the REtard muskbots can explain it rationally and are all reduced to random shitposting, and thus we can dismiss the whole farce as nonsense...

Just a cheesy publicity stunt from a known fraudster and criminal.

Thread over.



Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: N30 on February 13, 2018, 09:55:36 AM
I couldn't resist just one more.

(https://i.imgur.com/FtkfJdz.jpg)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: blidge on February 13, 2018, 09:58:07 AM
Thread over.

Absolutely. Now go and start another one.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Here to laugh at you on February 13, 2018, 10:04:50 AM
So, it's decided: nothing about this shportz kar duct-taped to a shpayze rokkit story makes any sense whatsoever, none of the REtard muskbots can explain it rationally and are all reduced to random shitposting, and thus we can dismiss the whole farce as nonsense...

Just a cheesy publicity stunt from a known fraudster and criminal.

Thread over.

So, you appeal to rationality after using those grade school childish misspelled phrases?

You appeal to rationality on a flat Earth forum?

You really ARE insane, aren't you?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 13, 2018, 10:09:16 AM
So, it's decided: nothing about this shportz kar duct-taped to a shpayze rokkit story makes any sense whatsoever, none of the REtard muskbots can explain it rationally and are all reduced to random shitposting, and thus we can dismiss the whole farce as nonsense...

Just a cheesy publicity stunt from a known fraudster and criminal.

Thread over.
You really ARE insane, aren't you?

Says the paedophile:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71550.msg1941932#msg1941932
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 13, 2018, 11:32:38 AM
So, it's decided: nothing about this shportz kar duct-taped to a shpayze rokkit story makes any sense whatsoever, none of the REtard muskbots can explain it rationally and are all reduced to random shitposting, and thus we can dismiss the whole farce as nonsense...

Just a cheesy publicity stunt from a known fraudster and criminal.

Thread over.

So, you appeal to rationality after using those grade school childish misspelled phrases?

You appeal to rationality on a flat Earth forum?

You really ARE insane, aren't you?
Yeah, well that's kind of a given.
I love how they claim physics prove it can't be done and yet can't find a single physicist who agrees with them.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: dutchy on February 13, 2018, 11:47:18 AM
So, it's decided: nothing about this shportz kar duct-taped to a shpayze rokkit story makes any sense whatsoever, none of the REtard muskbots can explain it rationally and are all reduced to random shitposting, and thus we can dismiss the whole farce as nonsense...

Just a cheesy publicity stunt from a known fraudster and criminal.

Thread over.

So, you appeal to rationality after using those grade school childish misspelled phrases?

You appeal to rationality on a flat Earth forum?

You really ARE insane, aren't you?
Yeah, well that's kind of a given.
I love how they claim physics prove it can't be done and yet can't find a single physicist who agrees with them.
The word 'proof' has zero meaning to you..... as you have proven time and time again.
I really hoped it would bite you in the ass, but like i said you are totally immune for any proof that threatens your cosy reality full of spacy stuff and moonlandings ::) ::)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 13, 2018, 11:56:49 AM
So, it's decided: nothing about this shportz kar duct-taped to a shpayze rokkit story makes any sense whatsoever, none of the REtard muskbots can explain it rationally and are all reduced to random shitposting, and thus we can dismiss the whole farce as nonsense...

Just a cheesy publicity stunt from a known fraudster and criminal.

Thread over.

So, you appeal to rationality after using those grade school childish misspelled phrases?

You appeal to rationality on a flat Earth forum?

You really ARE insane, aren't you?
Yeah, well that's kind of a given.
I love how they claim physics prove it can't be done and yet can't find a single physicist who agrees with them.
The word 'proof' has zero meaning to you..... as you have proven time and time again.
I really hoped it would bite you in the ass, but like i said you are totally immune for any proof that threatens your cosy reality full of spacy stuff and moonlandings ::) ::)
Not sure how that relates to my post but ok.
The fact is you have never offered any evidence that was more substantial than it doesn't look right to you.  You completely ignore all explainations for why it might not look right to you.  But if you want to think I am the one ignoring proof that's your prerogative.
Just try to offer something more than it doesn't look right.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 13, 2018, 12:11:01 PM
So, it's decided: nothing about this shportz kar duct-taped to a shpayze rokkit story makes any sense whatsoever, none of the REtard muskbots can explain it rationally and are all reduced to random shitposting, and thus we can dismiss the whole farce as nonsense...

Just a cheesy publicity stunt from a known fraudster and criminal.

Thread over.

So, you appeal to rationality after using those grade school childish misspelled phrases?

You appeal to rationality on a flat Earth forum?

You really ARE insane, aren't you?
Yeah, well that's kind of a given.
I love how they claim physics prove it can't be done and yet can't find a single physicist who agrees with them.
The word 'proof' has zero meaning to you..... as you have proven time and time again.
I really hoped it would bite you in the ass, but like i said you are totally immune for any proof that threatens your cosy reality full of spacy stuff and moonlandings ::) ::)

Come on, truth and evidence mean little to you as your driven by pure conspiracy.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on February 14, 2018, 05:14:41 AM
The word 'proof' has zero meaning to you..... as you have proven time and time again.
I really hoped it would bite you in the ass, but like i said you are totally immune for any proof that threatens your cosy reality full of spacy stuff and moonlandings ::) ::)
The problem here is you seem to think that not understanding something and drawing the incorrect conclusion from insufficient or improperly analyzed data is proof of your incorrect conclusion.  It's not, so of course that type of 'proof' has no meaning for most people.  I asked you a long time ago to challenge your preconceptions and research the other side of the argument for space travel but that apparently was either too much effort or too threatening to your cozy reality.

You seem to think that inconsistent answers regarding seeing stars in space is 'proof' that no one can go to space.  I also asked you some time ago (with no response from you) if the inconsistency in descriptions of Earth's sky (blue, gray, orange, pink, black, etc) was 'proof', by the same logic, that no one has been to Earth. 
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 14, 2018, 06:26:00 AM
So, it's decided: nothing about this shportz kar duct-taped to a shpayze rokkit story makes any sense whatsoever, none of the REtard muskbots can explain it rationally and are all reduced to random shitposting, and thus we can dismiss the whole farce as nonsense...

Just a cheesy publicity stunt from a known fraudster and criminal.

Thread over.

So, you appeal to rationality after using those grade school childish misspelled phrases?

You appeal to rationality on a flat Earth forum?

You really ARE insane, aren't you?
Yeah, well that's kind of a given.
I love how they claim physics prove it can't be done and yet can't find a single physicist who agrees with them.
The word 'proof' has zero meaning to you..... as you have proven time and time again.
I really hoped it would bite you in the ass, but like i said you are totally immune for any proof that threatens your cosy reality full of spacy stuff and moonlandings ::) ::)
Perhaps that's because science doesn't deal with proof.  Science deals with evidence and the preponderance of evidence supports space travel being possible.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 14, 2018, 02:35:10 PM
Here's how your posts come across to sane humans:



Your lack of self awareness would be astounding, if I did not know you are simply AI personae...

As I do, it is only to be expected.

Anyhoo, on with burning the heretic, botty boys...
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Fild on February 14, 2018, 03:07:28 PM
Hello everyone,

I've been lurking sporadically on this forum and other FE places for quite some time.
Last week SpaceX flight made me wonder what would be the reaction here so I came back to watch the posts.
I have to say ,compared to other forums, you guys allow the non believers to come here and poke fun at you in a civilized manner while debating the subject ... So thanks guys !

Anyway after years of watching the back and force debate between FE and  non FE I came to the conclusion that nothing, absolutely nothing can change the opinion of a FE . This topic is quite a fine example about it ...
Whatever the proof it will be held as fake , the counter argument will be some shitty youtube video, scientific explanations will be mocked, and of course it's a conspiracy by the freemasons, jews, illuminati, reptilians,satanists to enslave your soul ...
Debating the subject is completely and utterly useless  ...
So why post here if it's a pointless waste of time ? I mean flat earthers represent such a small community , entitled to their freedom of belief and they do not physically hurt anyone .

What gets me slightly uncomfortable is the continuous bashing of people working into space & science related fields . Millions of peoples have worked and are working hard to make our life better. Among the many applications of space related technologies are GPS,weather satellites, imaging satellites, communication satellites that make the life of us sphere believers so much easier and full of opportunities.
So surfing the internet you end up in places like here were FE constantly bash them as shills,plants ,conspirators and so on that are working daily to deceive you with CGI and PR campaigns ...
Is it just and fair to negate a person discoveries , achievements and life work based on some quack belief system ??   
It's not just an insult to all those brave people but also the whole scientific mindset that derive from human nature and curiosity....


So what do we do from here to get the record straight ? How to get our stubborn doubting Thomases to see the truth from their own eyes ?
I believe the most elegant solution would be to actually send them into space  !
Sadly up until now there were very few solutions to get up there. You could get to the ISS but the 20 000 000 $ price tag made it quite out of reach ...

For way cheaper you could book a flight on a MIG-29 to fly approximately 20 KM up in the sky for more or less 20 000 $ .
From that altitude you can see quite well the curvature of the earth .. But even from the MIG a flat earther would argue that it's the canopy that is distorting the horizon or some kind of made up perspective law  ...
Anyway I have never seen any FE saves money to go up there to check with their own eyes  !


But now the situation is about to change , commercials tourists flights to LEO will become available in a few years ( 3 years max given the pace of current progress ) and you will be able to book a ride for more or less 200 000 $ with companies like Blue Origin . For that price you will be flown to 100 km , stay there for a few minutes in zero gravity, watch earth from the big bays and come back safely to the ground in less than a hour....

So for a price tag of one million dollars it will be possible to send 5 of the most respected FE  youtubers and writers( chosen trough a vote ) to watch for themselves and come back to earth describing to other FE what they saw from space ...

I hope some benevolent person will finance such a trip, even a crowdfunding would do the trick ( I would throw some bucks in the bucket to watch this scientific experiment happen ) .


Until that day the debate about the shape of our home will be mostly sterile....

Thanks for your time :-)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 14, 2018, 03:52:34 PM
Hello everyone,

I've been lurking sporadically on this forum and other FE places for quite some time.
Last week SpaceX flight made me wonder what would be the reaction here so I came back to watch the posts.
I have to say ,compared to other forums, you guys allow the non believers to come here and poke fun at you in a civilized manner while debating the subject ... So thanks guys !

Anyway after years of watching the back and force debate between FE and  non FE I came to the conclusion that nothing, absolutely nothing can change the opinion of a FE . This topic is quite a fine example about it ...
Whatever the proof it will be held as fake , the counter argument will be some shitty youtube video, scientific explanations will be mocked, and of course it's a conspiracy by the freemasons, jews, illuminati, reptilians,satanists to enslave your soul ...
Debating the subject is completely and utterly useless  ...
So why post here if it's a pointless waste of time ? I mean flat earthers represent such a small community , entitled to their freedom of belief and they do not physically hurt anyone .

What gets me slightly uncomfortable is the continuous bashing of people working into space & science related fields . Millions of peoples have worked and are working hard to make our life better. Among the many applications of space related technologies are GPS,weather satellites, imaging satellites, communication satellites that make the life of us sphere believers so much easier and full of opportunities.
So surfing the internet you end up in places like here were FE constantly bash them as shills,plants ,conspirators and so on that are working daily to deceive you with CGI and PR campaigns ...
Is it just and fair to negate a person discoveries , achievements and life work based on some quack belief system ??   
It's not just an insult to all those brave people but also the whole scientific mindset that derive from human nature and curiosity....


So what do we do from here to get the record straight ? How to get our stubborn doubting Thomases to see the truth from their own eyes ?
I believe the most elegant solution would be to actually send them into space  !
Sadly up until now there were very few solutions to get up there. You could get to the ISS but the 20 000 000 $ price tag made it quite out of reach ...

For way cheaper you could book a flight on a MIG-29 to fly approximately 20 KM up in the sky for more or less 20 000 $ .
From that altitude you can see quite well the curvature of the earth .. But even from the MIG a flat earther would argue that it's the canopy that is distorting the horizon or some kind of made up perspective law  ...
Anyway I have never seen any FE saves money to go up there to check with their own eyes  !


But now the situation is about to change , commercials tourists flights to LEO will become available in a few years ( 3 years max given the pace of current progress ) and you will be able to book a ride for more or less 200 000 $ with companies like Blue Origin . For that price you will be flown to 100 km , stay there for a few minutes in zero gravity, watch earth from the big bays and come back safely to the ground in less than a hour....

So for a price tag of one million dollars it will be possible to send 5 of the most respected FE  youtubers and writers( chosen trough a vote ) to watch for themselves and come back to earth describing to other FE what they saw from space ...

I hope some benevolent person will finance such a trip, even a crowdfunding would do the trick ( I would throw some bucks in the bucket to watch this scientific experiment happen ) .


Until that day the debate about the shape of our home will be mostly sterile....

Thanks for your time :-)

Nicely put.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 14, 2018, 03:54:13 PM
Hello everyone,

I've been lurking sporadically on this forum and other FE places for quite some time.
Last week SpaceX flight made me wonder what would be the reaction here so I came back to watch the posts.
I have to say ,compared to other forums, you guys allow the non believers to come here and poke fun at you in a civilized manner while debating the subject ... So thanks guys !

Anyway after years of watching the back and force debate between FE and  non FE I came to the conclusion that nothing, absolutely nothing can change the opinion of a FE . This topic is quite a fine example about it ...
Whatever the proof it will be held as fake , the counter argument will be some shitty youtube video, scientific explanations will be mocked, and of course it's a conspiracy by the freemasons, jews, illuminati, reptilians,satanists to enslave your soul ...
Debating the subject is completely and utterly useless  ...
So why post here if it's a pointless waste of time ? I mean flat earthers represent such a small community , entitled to their freedom of belief and they do not physically hurt anyone .

What gets me slightly uncomfortable is the continuous bashing of people working into space & science related fields . Millions of peoples have worked and are working hard to make our life better. Among the many applications of space related technologies are GPS,weather satellites, imaging satellites, communication satellites that make the life of us sphere believers so much easier and full of opportunities.
So surfing the internet you end up in places like here were FE constantly bash them as shills,plants ,conspirators and so on that are working daily to deceive you with CGI and PR campaigns ...
Is it just and fair to negate a person discoveries , achievements and life work based on some quack belief system ??   
It's not just an insult to all those brave people but also the whole scientific mindset that derive from human nature and curiosity....


So what do we do from here to get the record straight ? How to get our stubborn doubting Thomases to see the truth from their own eyes ?
I believe the most elegant solution would be to actually send them into space  !
Sadly up until now there were very few solutions to get up there. You could get to the ISS but the 20 000 000 $ price tag made it quite out of reach ...

For way cheaper you could book a flight on a MIG-29 to fly approximately 20 KM up in the sky for more or less 20 000 $ .
From that altitude you can see quite well the curvature of the earth .. But even from the MIG a flat earther would argue that it's the canopy that is distorting the horizon or some kind of made up perspective law  ...
Anyway I have never seen any FE saves money to go up there to check with their own eyes  !


But now the situation is about to change , commercials tourists flights to LEO will become available in a few years ( 3 years max given the pace of current progress ) and you will be able to book a ride for more or less 200 000 $ with companies like Blue Origin . For that price you will be flown to 100 km , stay there for a few minutes in zero gravity, watch earth from the big bays and come back safely to the ground in less than a hour....

So for a price tag of one million dollars it will be possible to send 5 of the most respected FE  youtubers and writers( chosen trough a vote ) to watch for themselves and come back to earth describing to other FE what they saw from space ...

I hope some benevolent person will finance such a trip, even a crowdfunding would do the trick ( I would throw some bucks in the bucket to watch this scientific experiment happen ) .


Until that day the debate about the shape of our home will be mostly sterile....

Thanks for your time :-)

Tl;dr
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 14, 2018, 05:30:29 PM
Tl;dr
We have noted that your attention span is just a little less than that of the average gold-fish.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Fild on February 14, 2018, 06:48:34 PM

Hello everyone,

..........................................
...............................


Tl;dr

It all boils down to a simple question...

If offered ,would you accept a free flight to LEO to watch with your own eyes what shape is the earth ?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 14, 2018, 07:21:38 PM
How to destroy the flat earth movement



I'll prove to you the Earth is not flat! All you flat earthers! Come on board my rocket ship!!!

(https://video.newsserve.net/v/20160902/1609021401-SpaceX-rocket-explodes-on-launch-pad.jpg)


Oops
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 14, 2018, 07:36:50 PM
How to destroy the flat earth movement



I'll prove to you the Earth is not flat! All you flat earthers! Come on board my rocket ship!!!

(https://video.newsserve.net/v/20160902/1609021401-SpaceX-rocket-explodes-on-launch-pad.jpg)


Oops
Sure, it's hardly a walk in the park yet.
There are plenty of them!

Top 10 Space Rocket Launch Explosions
          And I imagine that you wouldn't travel by train either?

10 Worst Train Wrecks In History
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 14, 2018, 07:52:35 PM

Sure, it's hardly a walk in the part yet.



I think he was saying, "Gather the FE'rs together and blow 'em up"   ;D
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Fild on February 14, 2018, 08:15:27 PM
How to destroy the flat earth movement



I'll prove to you the Earth is not flat! All you flat earthers! Come on board my rocket ship!!!

(https://video.newsserve.net/v/20160902/1609021401-SpaceX-rocket-explodes-on-launch-pad.jpg)


Oops


Fair point !

But first, if flat Earth was such a earth-shattering conspiracy you would already be dead I guess.
I could shape shift in a medic and kill you next time you go to the hospital ....
Or hack your car while you got to work ...
I mean the possibilities for stupid accidents are endless in this chaotic world and we are everywhere watching you :-)


Second we can develop a strict protocol to ensure the safety of everyone involved ...

You can come up to the launch site with your own transportation and accompanied by a groups of 50 of your friends that will monitor everything while on the ground. For 5 FE'rs sent into space it will 250 observers ....
The traditional media and alt media will be invited to monitor, record and analyze everything... Also the whole flight will be streamed live ...
The capsule can hold 6 people , so the sixth person can be anyone chosen by both parties to monitor the whole thing .
We can make the thing even more even by sending 3 FE'rs and 3 observers so no one has interests in deliberately killing everyone inside ....

Of course we can wait for the capsule to have a proven track record of 15 nominal launches ...
And we can discuss any other safety elements you would like to add to the protocol.


In the end, if the capsule does explode it will be a big win for the flath Earth movement because everyone will see how we planned to get rid of you in such a Machiavellian plot ....

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 14, 2018, 11:11:24 PM
Tl;dr
We have noted that your attention span is just a little less than that of the average gold-fish.

I object to your comment, in defence of all the goldfish on the planet. ;-)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 14, 2018, 11:57:02 PM
How many DooDoo's are there?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: dutchy on February 15, 2018, 12:47:45 AM
I think those who genuinely claim the 'Musk car' in space is authentic footage should not speak but FOREVER hold their peace nevertheless !!

It is beyond absurd that we discuss this silly cartoons and cheap space movies..... is this forum a department of the rotten tomato's or something ?
If you give rabinoz & co a set of google glasses and put him on a rotating highttech simulation while showing some augmented reality with simulated G forces and other muscle effects  ;D he will never notice the difference between reality and fakery .......
What has this world become ??
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 15, 2018, 03:57:25 AM
I think those who genuinely claim the 'Musk car' in space is authentic footage should not speak but FOREVER hold their peace nevertheless !!

It is beyond absurd that we discuss this silly cartoons and cheap space movies..... is this forum a department of the rotten tomato's or something ?
If you give rabinoz & co a set of google glasses and put him on a rotating highttech simulation while showing some augmented reality with simulated G forces and other muscle effects  ;D he will never notice the difference between reality and fakery .......
What has this world become ??
Really?  And how would you simulate that G force?  Do you have any evidence at all to support your claims that it's all fake?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 15, 2018, 04:44:43 AM
I think those who genuinely claim the 'Musk car' in space is authentic footage should not speak but FOREVER hold their peace nevertheless !!

It is beyond absurd that we discuss this silly cartoons and cheap space movies..... is this forum a department of the rotten tomato's or something ?
If you give rabinoz & co a set of google glasses and put him on a rotating highttech simulation while showing some augmented reality with simulated G forces and other muscle effects  ;D he will never notice the difference between reality and fakery .......
What has this world become ??
I think that you are suffering from paranoia - I have said very little about the red roadster, except to try to put you straight about perspective.

I have stated that a 24" telescope couldn't resolve a car at that distance.
;) ;) ;) Dutchy, you need to seek professional help, you seem to be seeing me everywhere! I'm not the Scarlet Pimpernel! ;) ;) ;)
A healthy dose of reality might do wonders for you.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Alpha2Omega on February 15, 2018, 06:34:15 PM
I think those who genuinely claim the 'Musk car' in space is authentic footage should not speak but FOREVER hold their peace nevertheless !!

Thank you for sharing your opinion. It will be given all the consideration it's worth.

Quote
It is beyond absurd that we discuss this silly cartoons and cheap space movies..... is this forum a department of the rotten tomato's or something?

You're still here and still commenting. You say it's beyond absurd yet continue on anyway; what does that say about you?

Quote
If you give rabinoz & co a set of google glasses and put him on a rotating highttech simulation while showing some augmented reality with simulated G forces and other muscle effects  ;D he will never notice the difference between reality and fakery .......

If you say so. I guess... or maybe not.

Quote
What has this world become ??

One wonders. Obviously, it's not flat yet.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 15, 2018, 07:48:37 PM
If you give rabinoz & co a set of google glasses and put him on a rotating highttech simulation while showing some augmented reality with simulated G forces and other muscle effects  ;D he will never notice the difference between reality and fakery .......
How do you simulate several hours worth of zero gravity?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 15, 2018, 07:49:41 PM
If you give rabinoz & co a set of google glasses and put him on a rotating highttech simulation while showing some augmented reality with simulated G forces and other muscle effects  ;D he will never notice the difference between reality and fakery .......
How do you simulate several hours worth of zero gravity?

Drugs
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 15, 2018, 07:57:58 PM
If you give rabinoz & co a set of google glasses and put him on a rotating highttech simulation while showing some augmented reality with simulated G forces and other muscle effects  ;D he will never notice the difference between reality and fakery .......
How do you simulate several hours worth of zero gravity?

Drugs
Are you speaking from personal experience?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 15, 2018, 08:00:48 PM
No. Drugs are bad. But I wouldn't put it past a government to put shit in people. Look at fluoride.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 15, 2018, 09:00:08 PM
If you give rabinoz & co a set of google glasses and put him on a rotating highttech simulation while showing some augmented reality with simulated G forces and other muscle effects  ;D he will never notice the difference between reality and fakery .......
How do you simulate several hours worth of zero gravity?
This has worked for over 19 years:

Tour the International Space Station - Inside ISS - HD
It's not really "zero-g" on the ISS, any more than it's "zero-g" in the "vomit-Comet",
but with centripetal force supplying "g", near enough to no gravity has been felt, not for hours, but for over 19 years.

Please have some sympathy for poor dutchy, these small minds just have to ridicule what they are incapable of understanding.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Fild on February 16, 2018, 09:18:09 AM
I see that when you are confronted with the real possibility of going straight to space to check for yourselves you chicken out !!!

Many of the people that made humanity progress put their skin in the game  ...  They crossed oceans, defied their peers, tested on themselves, but you are afraid of a 1 hour trip into LEO .......

So get your DSLR ( only Nikon please ) fly up there, take pictures and come back to show us what's the truth ....

If you were sincere and dedicated to finding the truth you would take the fight to another level.  I mean you are trying no less than save humanity  which has been deceived for centuries by such a disgusting conspiracy . So come on and save us please !

You are the self proclaimed paladins of the flat Earth faith, fighting the forces of evil , yet you can't get your ass of your chair.

You should be the one building rockets to go checkout, but no , it's so much easier for you to run around squeaking conspiracy, tweeting chicken crap ,editing shitty Youtube videos and babbling in some radio talk show ..........
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Lonegranger on February 16, 2018, 02:25:31 PM
I see that when you are confronted with the real possibility of going straight to space to check for yourselves you chicken out !!!

Many of the people that made humanity progress put their skin in the game  ...  They crossed oceans, defied their peers, tested on themselves, but you are afraid of a 1 hour trip into LEO .......

So get your DSLR ( only Nikon please ) fly up there, take pictures and come back to show us what's the truth ....

If you were sincere and dedicated to finding the truth you would take the fight to another level.  I mean you are trying no less than save humanity  which has been deceived for centuries by such a disgusting conspiracy . So come on and save us please !

You are the self proclaimed paladins of the flat Earth faith, fighting the forces of evil , yet you can't get your ass of your chair.

You should be the one building rockets to go checkout, but no , it's so much easier for you to run around squeaking conspiracy, tweeting chicken crap ,editing shitty Youtube videos and babbling in some radio talk show ..........

I generally concider your posts are pretty cool but your Nikon thing is too much!
I prefer Sony myself, but photography is not about the kit, itís about the person.
The badge on your camera these days is irrelevant.......apart from that you are spot on.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: dutchy on February 16, 2018, 02:37:08 PM
Please have some sympathy for poor dutchy, these small minds just have to ridicule what they are incapable of understanding.
If i recall correctly you can't even explain or grasp a simple concept like gravity.
Papa Legba has showed you all four corners, so i won't stamp on someone allready on the ground.......

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 16, 2018, 02:51:33 PM
Please have some sympathy for poor dutchy, these small minds just have to ridicule what they are incapable of understanding.
If i recall correctly you can't even explain or grasp a simple concept like gravity.
Papa Legba has showed you all four corners, so i won't stamp on someone allready on the ground.......
The only thing legba shows is his own ignorance and bad behavior.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Fild on February 16, 2018, 03:58:05 PM
I see that when you are confronted with the real possibility of going straight to space to check for yourselves you chicken out !!!

Many of the people that made humanity progress put their skin in the game  ...  They crossed oceans, defied their peers, tested on themselves, but you are afraid of a 1 hour trip into LEO .......

So get your DSLR ( only Nikon please ) fly up there, take pictures and come back to show us what's the truth ....

If you were sincere and dedicated to finding the truth you would take the fight to another level.  I mean you are trying no less than save humanity  which has been deceived for centuries by such a disgusting conspiracy . So come on and save us please !

You are the self proclaimed paladins of the flat Earth faith, fighting the forces of evil , yet you can't get your ass of your chair.

You should be the one building rockets to go checkout, but no , it's so much easier for you to run around squeaking conspiracy, tweeting chicken crap ,editing shitty Youtube videos and babbling in some radio talk show ..........

I generally concider your posts are pretty cool but your Nikon thing is too much!
I prefer Sony myself, but photography is not about the kit, itís about the person.
The badge on your camera these days is irrelevant.......apart from that you are spot on.

I meant the Nikon thing as a joke, dedicated to a very simple person on this forum that like to rant about Nikons  ^^
I fully agree with you, the eye is more important than the sensor !


Anyway the first commercial flight of the New Shepard suborbital crew capsule is supposed to take place in April 2019   ...  ( Maybe a bit later given the usual delays to make sure everything is perfect )

Leave us plenty of time to imagine our dream team of flatonauts !!!

Who do you think has the best potential to challenge our vision of the world and rewrite history ?

I would definitely put Eric Dubay on my list and maybe John Davis  ...

To anyone , who would you put on your roster ?

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 16, 2018, 04:51:12 PM
To anyone , who would you put on your roster ?


Ha, at a glance it looked like 'roadster'.   :D
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Fild on February 16, 2018, 05:14:18 PM
To anyone , who would you put on your roster ?


Ha, at a glance it looked like 'roadster'.   :D

 ;D

Like in Greek mythology. A form of eternal punishment ....
Condemned to orbit and cruise around the earth for a billion years while totally frozen ...

They wouldn't like it but it would be quite interesting to watch.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Here to laugh at you on February 16, 2018, 06:00:06 PM


....Anyway the first commercial flight of the New Shepard suborbital crew capsule is supposed to take place in April 2019   ...  ( Maybe a bit later given the usual delays to make sure everything is perfect )

Leave us plenty of time to imagine our dream team of flatonauts !!!

Who do you think has the best potential to challenge our vision of the world and rewrite history ?

I would definitely put Eric Dubay on my list and maybe John Davis  ...

To anyone , who would you put on your roster ?

Nah...

I wouldn't want to watch the launch, and find myself hoping it explodes on the pad!

I mean, it's not like we need to prove the shape of the Earth to a handful of paranoid delusionals.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Macarios on February 16, 2018, 10:01:15 PM
Please have some sympathy for poor dutchy, these small minds just have to ridicule what they are incapable of understanding.
If i recall correctly you can't even explain or grasp a simple concept like gravity.
Papa Legba has showed you all four corners, so i won't stamp on someone allready on the ground.......

Papa Legba couldn't even understand gravity himself.
He couldn't understand inertia, he always tried to hide his misconceptions behind some irrelevant claims like "inertia is not a force", or such, as if anyone claimed that it was.
He couldn't understand vectors, he was trying to say that transversal acceleration would increase longitudinal speed.
He avoided two most simple questions that even pupil from mid school would be able to answer:
1. Are there gaps between molecules of a rope? (about tethering with or without "physical object" or force field)
2. Would inertia try to oppose transversal acceleration that would curve trajectory? (by creating reaction at a trajectory of a satellite)
Papa Legba is still incapable of understanding the working principle of a rocket engine.

If that is how "Papa Legba has showed you all four corners" (or showed anyone any corner), then I have bad news for you.
Sorry.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 16, 2018, 10:45:37 PM
Please have some sympathy for poor dutchy, these small minds just have to ridicule what they are incapable of understanding.
If i recall correctly you can't even explain or grasp a simple concept like gravity.
Papa Legba has showed you all four corners, so i won't stamp on someone allready on the ground.......
Stamp all you like! But if you think that "Papa Legba has showed" that I "can't even explain or grasp a simple concept like gravity",
just remember that Papa Legba thinks that gravity forces everything down, yet refuses to explain the simple diagram in the following post.
The rab doesn't think gravity forces things downwards:
Gravity does not force anything down! Look at this again.
(http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/newtlaws/u2l1d1.gif)
Gravity not forcing the Physics Book down.
          (http://www.learnastronomyhq.com/_Media/iss_discovery_110226_med.jpeg)
Gravity not forcing the Satellite in orbit down!

So gravity does not force things down but just applies a downward force to books on chairs and to satellites in orbit.
If you believe Papa Legba's physics, you have proven that you haven't any understanding yourself.
Papa Legba is nothing but a troll, who true to his name, Papa Legba, is here for no other purpose than to sow confusion.

But, if you want to believe him, let it be on your own head.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 17, 2018, 01:02:52 AM
Please have some sympathy for poor dutchy, these small minds just have to ridicule what they are incapable of understanding.
If i recall correctly you can't even explain or grasp a simple concept like gravity.
Papa Legba has showed you all four corners, so i won't stamp on someone allready on the ground.......
Stamp all you like! But if you think that "Papa Legba has showed" that I "can't even explain or grasp a simple concept like gravity",
just remember that Papa Legba thinks that gravity forces everything down, yet refuses to explain the simple diagram in the following post.
The rab doesn't think gravity forces things downwards:
Gravity does not force anything down! Look at this again.
(http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/newtlaws/u2l1d1.gif)
Gravity not forcing the Physics Book down.
          (http://www.learnastronomyhq.com/_Media/iss_discovery_110226_med.jpeg)
Gravity not forcing the Satellite in orbit down!

So gravity does not force things down but just applies a downward force to books on chairs and to satellites in orbit.
If you believe Papa Legba's physics, you have proven that you haven't any understanding yourself.
Papa Legba is nothing but a troll, who true to his name, Papa Legba, is here for no other purpose than to sow confusion.

But, if you want to believe him, let it be on your own head.

I have no idea why you keep gloating about your inability to distinguish the normal force from free fall...

Perhaps you are programmed to just repeat a thing until the opposition is so tired it gives up?

Yes, that seems likeliest.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 17, 2018, 02:21:30 AM
<< keep out of it >>
I was not talking to the Voodoo Puppet on a String.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 17, 2018, 02:24:54 AM
<< keep out of it >>
I was not talking to the Voodoo Puppet on a String.

But you were talking about me.

And you were lying in doing so.

Why are you unable to distinguish between the normal force and free fall?

Is it a programming glitch?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 17, 2018, 01:15:45 PM
But you were talking about me.
And you were lying in doing so.
Prove I was lying!

Quote from: Papa Legba
Why are you unable to distinguish between the normal force and free fall?
Prove I am "unable to distinguish between the normal force and free fall!"

And prove that you a real human being and not just a puppet controlled by a very smart and devious puppeteer?
Mr Puppet Legba 
(http://cliparts101.com/files/436/D70D91B7EF610CC201493CE120349FB9/Puppeteer_1.png)
Poor Pathetic Papa controlled by his FE puppeteer.
Dance Papa, dance! Do your pathetic best to confuse and ridicule Globe supporters, while pretending to support it.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 18, 2018, 01:22:43 AM
Why would nobodies like Eric Dubay or John Davis be ones to rewrite history? Nobody cares what they say. Get Dawkins or Tyson admit Earth is flat and you have some listeners.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 18, 2018, 01:36:02 AM
Do your pathetic best to confuse and ridicule Globe supporters, while pretending to support it.

Seems the rabbibot supports a football team called the Globe or something now...

This lot, perhaps?

http://www.grfc.org.uk/c.php?editid1=2&t=home

Still, it can't tell the difference between the normal force and free fall, so it is clearly mental.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 18, 2018, 02:05:27 AM
This is somewhat old, but I thought it was a good read.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jan/20/flat-earth-believers-youtube-videos-conspiracy-theorists (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jan/20/flat-earth-believers-youtube-videos-conspiracy-theorists)

So Dubay claims Adolf was a darling who was misrepresented by the Jews. You think that too, Jerry?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Fild on February 18, 2018, 09:43:26 AM


....Anyway the first commercial flight of the New Shepard suborbital crew capsule is supposed to take place in April 2019   ...  ( Maybe a bit later given the usual delays to make sure everything is perfect )

Leave us plenty of time to imagine our dream team of flatonauts !!!

Who do you think has the best potential to challenge our vision of the world and rewrite history ?

I would definitely put Eric Dubay on my list and maybe John Davis  ...

To anyone , who would you put on your roster ?

Nah...

I wouldn't want to watch the launch, and find myself hoping it explodes on the pad!

I mean, it's not like we need to prove the shape of the Earth to a handful of paranoid delusionals.

I used to think like you that the whole flat Earth thing was a small , benign population and a well of endless laughs .

But the more I get acquainted with the flat Earth theories the more disturbing it becomes .I believe it has definitely the potential to hurt some fragile people with a gullible and paranoiac mindset , (except maybe the ones that feed and thrive on the social stigma toward them )  .
How are you supposed to feel in the world when you believe that everyone around you is a brainwashed  sheep  and that everything you are told is a lie ??
I'm sure it has broken people by shattering the connection with their family and ended the trust toward their community ....
Moreover there are plenty of snake-oil salesman around that prey on fragile people to manipulate and influence them in order to sell books, seminars, counseling and other crap ....

The flat Earth theory is not a stand alone cabal but part of a wide web of bullshit formed with all the other conspiracy theories and it's probably the mother of all conspiracies...
So we all wonder how is it possible in our age of ubiquitous knowledge that such backward and deny-all trolls still roam this plane.
This idea of FE is so preposterous, it's probably a mental pathology in itself and it deserve more serious studies to help those poor souls get out of their parallel universe imaginarium !
When spelunking into the archives of this site from it's inception in 2005 you can see that every possible argument has been made in every possible form and yet we are still here trying to crack those nuts ..... This is pure madness !!!
We send all kinds of animals in space to study their reactions to zero G or radiations , so why not send a bunch of half donkey half human FE'rs chimeras?
Monitor what happens or do not happens in the brain of a hardcore FE'rs while he gaze trough the window. Use the momentum and build from there ....
Also would be interesting to know the reason to refuse such an opportunity at satisfying one's curiosity , there is no space you dummy ?, fear of hitting the dome ? fear of burning in the sun ? fear it's a simulation ? fear it's a CIA plot ?


In the end, modern conspiracy theories probably represents one of the last frontier of human ignorance .
And FE is peculiar in the way while it's the mother of all conspiracies but it's also possibly the easiest one to debunk with the state of the art tools ....
Inside their shiny aluminium armor they think no demonstration can reach them, but with such a blow we might be able to crack the tinfoil helmets ...

Disproving FE is not only about getting rid of the most absurd argument out there , but also to get an opportunity to expose all the other conspiracy theories orbiting around it and polluting the mind of so many people ....

It's way broader and deeper than just FE , it's a fight against obscurantism , it's a fight to defend the intricate achievements in science and arts produced by the sometimes marvelous human mind ....
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 18, 2018, 10:06:03 AM
In the end, modern conspiracy theories probably represents one of the last frontier of human ignorance .
Agreed.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 18, 2018, 11:04:51 AM
Wonder howís one was able to photograph the rocket from Arizona, 6 hours later.

https://petapixel.com/2018/02/17/photographer-accidentally-captures-spacex-falcon-heavy-exhaust-plume/
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 18, 2018, 12:50:34 PM
Wonder howís one was able to photograph the rocket from Arizona, 6 hours later.

https://petapixel.com/2018/02/17/photographer-accidentally-captures-spacex-falcon-heavy-exhaust-plume/

I thought Elon was all about stopping climate change etc. That's why he got into the electric cars business. Now he's using those profits to shit up the atmosphere with his Space X toys? What a dick.

I suppose its not surprising.... He thinks people should take a rocket ship for long haul flights too

https://www.fastcodesign.com/90144947/elon-musk-wants-to-replace-airplanes-with-rockets


So much for watching out for our carbon emissions.....
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Here to laugh at you on February 18, 2018, 01:12:20 PM
Wonder howís one was able to photograph the rocket from Arizona, 6 hours later.

https://petapixel.com/2018/02/17/photographer-accidentally-captures-spacex-falcon-heavy-exhaust-plume/

I thought Elon was all about stopping climate change etc. That's why he got into the electric cars business. Now he's using those profits to shit up the atmosphere with his Space X toys? What a dick.

I suppose its not surprising.... He thinks people should take a rocket ship for long haul flights too

https://www.fastcodesign.com/90144947/elon-musk-wants-to-replace-airplanes-with-rockets


So much for watching out for our carbon emissions.....

"SpaceX emissions:
The Falcon 9 uses two propellants, liquid oxygen (O2, no carbon here) and Kerosene a petrol chemical containing between 6 and 16 carbon atoms per molecule.
The Falcon 9 burns through 29,600 gallons of highly refined kerosene during its trip to orbit. The vehicle takes about 12 trips to orbit a year so that's about 360,000 gallons of kerosene a year burned in spaceflight. That converts to 2,460,600 pounds of kerosene burnt in a year of Falcon 9 launches. Since I enjoy the metric system, that is 1,116,000 kg of kerosene. Kerosene produces approximately 2.6kg of CO2 per kg of Kerosene burned. Basic arithmetic says that the rocket produces 2,902,000 kg of carbon dioxide during a year of SpaceX activities. Global Carbon Emissions 2014 3.23 x 10^13 total from SpaceX 2.902 x 10^6. This means that SpaceX is responsible for 9 one billionths of annual carbon emissions. This is not a significant amount."


https://www.quora.com/When-Elon-Musk-launches-a-rocket-into-space-is-he-releasing-more-carbon-which-is-what-he-is-trying-to-reduce-through-electric-cars
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 18, 2018, 01:25:04 PM
Carbon is not the only thing that destroys our atmosphere. (I use it because everyone uses it as a scale or sorts). Methane is much more devastating for example. Or NOX from planes is also much worse

Rocket launches as they become more frequent will start having a meaningful impact on our ozone layer so launching a car into space for shits and giggles is not a responsible use for a finite fuel resource
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: NAZA on February 18, 2018, 01:42:23 PM
Carbon is not the only thing that destroys our atmosphere. (I use it because everyone uses it as a scale or sorts). Methane is much more devastating for example. Or NOX from planes is also much worse

Rocket launches as they become more frequent will start having a meaningful impact on our ozone layer so launching a car into space for shits and giggles is not a responsible use for a finite fuel resource

Musk offered NASA and others a "free ride" on the Falcon Heavy but the refused.  Understandable considering the risk and cost of their payloads.
If not the Tesla roadster it would have launched with a concrete or steel payload for the test.

So no, it was not for shits and giggles it was for weight.

Don't be so jelly
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Here to laugh at you on February 18, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
Carbon is not the only thing that destroys our atmosphere. (I use it because everyone uses it as a scale or sorts). Methane is much more devastating for example. Or NOX from planes is also much worse

Rocket launches as they become more frequent will start having a meaningful impact on our ozone layer so launching a car into space for shits and giggles is not a responsible use for a finite fuel resource

Methane is a hydrocarbon
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Papa Legba on February 18, 2018, 01:50:46 PM
Carbon is not the only thing that destroys our atmosphere. (I use it because everyone uses it as a scale or sorts). Methane is much more devastating for example. Or NOX from planes is also much worse

Rocket launches as they become more frequent will start having a meaningful impact on our ozone layer so launching a car into space for shits and giggles is not a responsible use for a finite fuel resource

Methane is a hydrocarbon

And you are a paedo:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71550.msg1941932#msg1941932

The fact you are protected by the mods and admins proves this is a paedo forum.

Not debatable.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Alpha2Omega on February 18, 2018, 02:37:09 PM
Carbon is not the only thing that destroys our atmosphere. (I use it because everyone uses it as a scale or sorts). Methane is much more devastating for example. Or NOX from planes is also much worse

What do NOx emissions from airplane engines, which produce energy by combustion of hydrocarbons and the oxygen from air in the presence of nitrogen (which is about 80% of air) have to do rocket engines which use combustion of Kerosene (which is a hydrocarbon) and pure oxygen (but no nitrogen)?

Why bring methane into the conversation at all? Methane is not contained in rocket exhaust.

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Rocket launches as they become more frequent will start having a meaningful impact on our ozone layer

Details, please...

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so launching a car into space for shits and giggles is not a responsible use for a finite fuel resource

It was a test flight. If it wasn't the car, it would have been an inert mass. That car was more expensive than an inert mass, but it obviously worth the extra cost for the publicity it brought both Tesla and SpaceX. Consider all the electrons that have been spilled on this forum alone!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 18, 2018, 02:55:19 PM
Carbon is not the only thing that destroys our atmosphere. (I use it because everyone uses it as a scale or sorts). Methane is much more devastating for example. Or NOX from planes is also much worse

What do NOx emissions from airplane engines, which produce energy by combustion of hydrocarbons and the oxygen from air in the presence of nitrogen (which is about 80% of air) have to do rocket engines which use combustion of Kerosene (which is a hydrocarbon) and pure oxygen (but no nitrogen)?

Why bring methane into the conversation at all? Methane is not contained in rocket exhaust.

I was just saying that just because the emissions are not 'CO2' doesn't mean it's not harmful for our environment

Rocket launches as they become more frequent will start having a meaningful impact on our ozone layer

Details, please...

Depending on the type of fuel (for example solid) it uses chlorine which is devastating to Ozone, and kerosene exhaust forms nitric oxide and nitrogen dioxide, both of which react with ozone in the atmosphere. Its not as bad as the space agencies solid fuel, but if Elon wants to send a million people to Mars in quick succession, the cumulative impact could mean that we will really need that extra planet to live on because we fudged this one up getting there

A rockets exhaust in the upper atmosphere where oxygen is less abundant can also form black carbon


so launching a car into space for shits and giggles is not a responsible use for a finite fuel resource

It was a test flight. If it wasn't the car, it would have been an inert mass. That car was more expensive than an inert mass, but it obviously worth the extra cost for the publicity it brought both Tesla and SpaceX. Consider all the electrons that have been spilled on this forum alone!

By the time we are done with all the 'tests' we will have no resources left for the real thing. In the same way the British brought convicts to colonise Australia, we should do the same to colonise Mars. Yes, boohoo, an isolated trip to Mars can hurt psychological fee fees. Do you think it was any easier for people who sailed the seas back in the day? People on those ships on year long voyages would have been even more alone than if you sent people to Mars
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 18, 2018, 03:08:07 PM
Please dont act like you know anything about chemistry ever again.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 18, 2018, 03:12:28 PM
Please dont act like you know anything about chemistry ever again.

What was your problem with what I said?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 18, 2018, 03:53:49 PM
Carbon is not the only thing that destroys our atmosphere. (I use it because everyone uses it as a scale or sorts). Methane is much more devastating for example. Or NOX from planes is also much worse

Rocket launches as they become more frequent will start having a meaningful impact on our ozone layer so launching a car into space for shits and giggles is not a responsible use for a finite fuel resource

Methane is a hydrocarbon
Methane is also a rocket fuel, not a byproduct of combustion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_%28rocket_engine_family%29
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 18, 2018, 04:35:17 PM
By the time we are done with all the 'tests' we will have no resources left for the real thing. In the same way the British brought convicts to colonise Australia, we should do the same to colonise Mars. Yes, boohoo, an isolated trip to Mars can hurt psychological fee fees. Do you think it was any easier for people who sailed the seas back in the day? People on those ships on year long voyages would have been even more alone than if you sent people to Mars
Have you ever read anything on it or researched it.
Or do you, since you claim to be above the Archangels and just one rung below God, already know everything?
Here is a little review on the topic, Dirty Rockets, What's the environmental impact of going into space? By Nina Rastogi (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2009/11/dirty_rockets.html).
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 18, 2018, 04:58:21 PM

By the time we are done with all the 'tests' we will have no resources left for the real thing. In the same way the British brought convicts to colonise Australia, we should do the same to colonise Mars. Yes, boohoo, an isolated trip to Mars can hurt psychological fee fees. Do you think it was any easier for people who sailed the seas back in the day? People on those ships on year long voyages would have been even more alone than if you sent people to Mars

But testing is far more efficient way of getting things done than not testing.

Imagine if you built an untested mass produced car.
After the first 1000 come off the line you realise that the body work gets damaged if you drive too fast.
So you refund the 1000 customers, fix that one problem and start with the next 1000 cars, only to realise that after 30 000km, the gearbox gives issues. . . ext ext.

Same goes for everything out there. If you want to put people on the first untested flight of a new rocket, you need to be a North Korean Dictator or sociopath.

In addition to the fact that the equipment that go on these rockets are very often more expensive than the rockets. Losing an fully geared up rocket is far less efficient than testing 3 to ensure all things work as designed.

To use your analogy with the Australian convicts. Imagine if they where not sure if the boats could even sail. How much time, effort and fully trained crew would go lost every time they sent the ship on its way? Chances are they would never have gone at all this way.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 18, 2018, 05:04:40 PM
Please dont act like you know anything about chemistry ever again.


What was your problem with what I said?

Not too much. Itís kind of weird to say kerosene exhaust creates NOx. Nitrogen shouldnít  be found in kerosene.  NOx is obviously former from the nitrogen and oxygen in the air coming together while other combustion is taken place. And chlorine when in the molecule CFC can be dangerous to the ozone. I donít really think rockets use it make that but maybe they do.

Itís more just you shouldnít be talking about it.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 18, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
By the time we are done with all the 'tests' we will have no resources left for the real thing. In the same way the British brought convicts to colonise Australia, we should do the same to colonise Mars. Yes, boohoo, an isolated trip to Mars can hurt psychological fee fees. Do you think it was any easier for people who sailed the seas back in the day? People on those ships on year long voyages would have been even more alone than if you sent people to Mars
Have you ever read anything on it or researched it.
Or do you, since you claim to be above the Archangels and just one rung below God, already know everything?
Here is a little review on the topic, Dirty Rockets, What's the environmental impact of going into space? By Nina Rastogi (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2009/11/dirty_rockets.html).

How many trips do you think it would take to get a million people to Mars, as per Elons goal?

The odd trip, the damage can be repaired. But the required frequency to get a million people to Mars will be another 'CFC' like scourge on our ozone
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 18, 2018, 05:06:39 PM
Please dont act like you know anything about chemistry ever again.


What was your problem with what I said?

Not too much. Itís kind of weird to say kerosene exhaust creates NOx. Nitrogen shouldnít  be found in kerosene.  NOx is obviously former from the nitrogen and oxygen in the air coming together while other combustion is taken place. And chlorine when in the molecule CFC can be dangerous to the ozone. I donít really think rockets use it make that but maybe they do.

Itís more just you shouldnít be talking about it.

I talk about whatever I want, when I want. Too bad for you
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: sokarul on February 18, 2018, 05:11:52 PM
Ok, terrific. People will be around to call you out when you are wrong. Better start making excuses now.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 18, 2018, 05:33:53 PM
How many trips do you think it would take to get a million people to Mars, as per Elons goal?
When did Elon say that he wanted to take a million people to Mars?

Or do you not understand that a significant percentage of his planned million person colony would would be born on Mars instead of transported there?
Quote from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/06/21/elon-musk-create-city-mars-million-inhabitants/
He estimated that the first colonists could begin setting out in a decade, and said it would take between 40 and 100 years to ship enough people over to Mars to populate a city.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 18, 2018, 05:35:10 PM
By the time we are done with all the 'tests' we will have no resources left for the real thing. In the same way the British brought convicts to colonise Australia, we should do the same to colonise Mars. Yes, boohoo, an isolated trip to Mars can hurt psychological fee fees. Do you think it was any easier for people who sailed the seas back in the day? People on those ships on year long voyages would have been even more alone than if you sent people to Mars
Have you ever read anything on it or researched it.
Or do you, since you claim to be above the Archangels and just one rung below God, already know everything?
Here is a little review on the topic, Dirty Rockets, What's the environmental impact of going into space? By Nina Rastogi (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2009/11/dirty_rockets.html).

How many trips do you think it would take to get a million people to Mars, as per Elons goal?

The odd trip, the damage can be repaired. But the required frequency to get a million people to Mars will be another 'CFC' like scourge on our ozone
I've got to agree there,  but personally, I think that any idea of moving millions off-planet is simply science fiction and in my opinion, just isn't going to happen.

That is unless some other form of propulsion than chemical rockets is developed.
Ionic propulsion has a far better "Specific Impulse" than chemical rockets, but as yet nothing can approach the chemical rockets for the brute force thrust needed for vertical launch.

Enough rocket science!

The most we might see is "seed colonies" of maybe hundreds, but that's so far in the future, that it may as well be science fiction.

Let's see if self-sufficient colonies on say, the moon, can work first, though there are probably more resources on Mars.

Maybe, I'm not far-sighted enough.
As for the earth, either the population is controlled voluntarily or it will happen catastrophically, either way, I won't be here.
Good luck!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Twerp on February 18, 2018, 05:45:03 PM
By the time we are done with all the 'tests' we will have no resources left for the real thing. In the same way the British brought convicts to colonise Australia, we should do the same to colonise Mars. Yes, boohoo, an isolated trip to Mars can hurt psychological fee fees. Do you think it was any easier for people who sailed the seas back in the day? People on those ships on year long voyages would have been even more alone than if you sent people to Mars
Have you ever read anything on it or researched it.
Or do you, since you claim to be above the Archangels and just one rung below God, already know everything?
Here is a little review on the topic, Dirty Rockets, What's the environmental impact of going into space? By Nina Rastogi (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2009/11/dirty_rockets.html).

How many trips do you think it would take to get a million people to Mars, as per Elons goal?

The odd trip, the damage can be repaired. But the required frequency to get a million people to Mars will be another 'CFC' like scourge on our ozone
I've got to agree there,  but personally, I think that any idea of moving millions off-planet is simply science fiction and in my opinion, just isn't going to happen.

That is unless some other form of propulsion than chemical rockets is developed.
Ionic propulsion has a far better "Specific Impulse" than chemical rockets, but as yet nothing can approach the chemical rockets for the brute force thrust needed for vertical launch.

Enough rocket science!

The most we might see is "seed colonies" of maybe hundreds, but that's so far in the future, that it may as well be science fiction.

Let's see if self-sufficient colonies on say, the moon, can work first, though there are probably more resources on Mars.

Maybe, I'm not far-sighted enough.
As for the earth, either the population is controlled voluntarily or it will happen catastrophically, either way, I won't be here.
Good luck!

An EM drive?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 18, 2018, 05:59:42 PM
I've got to agree there,  but personally, I think that any idea of moving millions off-planet is simply science fiction and in my opinion, just isn't going to happen.

I dont think we humans will colonise space in an orderly fashion.

First we get cheap launches to space, this is the biggest step.
This allows for tourism, and larger cheap satellites.
As a result of this, we may end up with space hotels and lot more satellites in space.
Suddenly you need services, such as commercial water and food refining/ recycling depots in space which requires more people up there, but is cheaper than launching new stuff up every time.
Maybe there forms a business case to service satellites, this requires more people.
Someone figures out how to refine mined resources up there, more people.

Before you know it, there are hundreds - thousands of people up there, just doing day to day stuff.
This is all without colonisation efforts.

The most we might see is "seed colonies" of maybe hundreds, but that's so far in the future, that it may as well be science fiction.

Let's see if self-sufficient colonies on say, the moon, can work first, though there are probably more resources on Mars.

Maybe, I'm not far-sighted enough.
As for the earth, either the population is controlled voluntarily or it will happen catastrophically, either way, I won't be here.
Good luck!
There will never be permanent colonisation unless there is
a) a business case to send people there.
b) once there people are there (Moon, Mars or anywhere) they need to be able to sustain themselves without constantly drawing resources from earth, within a few years (20 or so) of arriving.

I think both conditions are not too far away.

Colonisation on earth happened for the same reasons.
 
Oh, and Military. If there is a military advantage of having a base up in space/moon/mars. Then suddenly colonisation speeds up. Those bases need a lot of support, and China is looking to push for Moon bases sooner than most will realise
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 18, 2018, 06:01:10 PM
An EM drive?

Dont talk about the EM Drive, I was prepared to suspend my believe in Physics for that thing. It betrayed us all.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 18, 2018, 06:02:19 PM
An EM drive?
Or a space elevator?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/people-are-still-trying-build-space-elevator-180957877/
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 18, 2018, 06:09:00 PM
Or a space elevator?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/people-are-still-trying-build-space-elevator-180957877/

The only way to actually build a space elevator is to already have the thousands of tonnes of material up in space, and then to lower it down to earth. I dont think we will see anything like this soon . . . or ever . . ?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 18, 2018, 06:19:54 PM
I dont think we will see anything like this soon . . . or ever . . ?
Meh.  That's what they said about the cruise basselope.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/warships1discussionboards/imageproxy.php?url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/Bager1968/other%20stuff/X-15CruiseBasselope.gif)
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Twerp on February 18, 2018, 06:28:06 PM
Or a space elevator?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/people-are-still-trying-build-space-elevator-180957877/

The only way to actually build a space elevator is to already have the thousands of tonnes of material up in space, and then to lower it down to earth. I dont think we will see anything like this soon . . . or ever . . ?

Launch a satellite with enough carbon fiber cable and a small rocket engine. Once in geosynchronous orbit, the rocket engine leaves the satellite with carbon fiber attached and flies toward earth. Once it reaches earth fasten it to a platform and mount your elevator to it. Easy peasy.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Alpha2Omega on February 18, 2018, 06:48:44 PM
Carbon is not the only thing that destroys our atmosphere. (I use it because everyone uses it as a scale or sorts). Methane is much more devastating for example. Or NOX from planes is also much worse

What do NOx emissions from airplane engines, which produce energy by combustion of hydrocarbons and the oxygen from air in the presence of nitrogen (which is about 80% of air) have to do rocket engines which use combustion of Kerosene (which is a hydrocarbon) and pure oxygen (but no nitrogen)?

Why bring methane into the conversation at all? Methane is not contained in rocket exhaust.

I was just saying that just because the emissions are not 'CO2' doesn't mean it's not harmful for our environment

That's fine. What's your opinion on water vapor. Liquid-fuel rockets emit almost entirely CO2 (carbon dioxide) and H2O (water). Water vapor is an effective greenhouse gas, yet, you seem to ignore it.

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Rocket launches as they become more frequent will start having a meaningful impact on our ozone layer

Details, please...

Depending on the type of fuel (for example solid) it uses chlorine which is devastating to Ozone, and kerosene exhaust forms nitric oxide and nitrogen dioxide, both of which react with ozone in the atmosphere.

Details, please...

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Its not as bad as the space agencies solid fuel, but if Elon wants to send a million people to Mars in quick succession, the cumulative impact could mean that we will really need that extra planet to live on because we fudged this one up getting there

A rockets exhaust in the upper atmosphere where oxygen is less abundant can also form black carbon

Isn't that kinda a big part of the difference between a rocket and a jet? Rockets bring their own oxidizer instead of using air, so abundance (or lack) of atmospheric oxygen doesn't affect the chemical reaction at all.

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so launching a car into space for shits and giggles is not a responsible use for a finite fuel resource

It was a test flight. If it wasn't the car, it would have been an inert mass. That car was more expensive than an inert mass, but it obviously worth the extra cost for the publicity it brought both Tesla and SpaceX. Consider all the electrons that have been spilled on this forum alone!

By the time we are done with all the 'tests' we will have no resources left for the real thing.

Lol. We aren't going to use up all the kerosene and available oxygen in test flights. Not by a long shot.

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In the same way the British brought convicts to colonise Australia, we should do the same to colonise Mars. Yes, boohoo, an isolated trip to Mars can hurt psychological fee fees. Do you think it was any easier for people who sailed the seas back in the day? People on those ships on year long voyages would have been even more alone than if you sent people to Mars

There were a lot of things done in the 18th and 19th centuries that, in retrospect, do not seem like such good things now, like widespread acceptance of chattel slavery. Not to mention that, even today, it would be a bit more expensive and complicated to send someone to Mars than it was to transport someone to Australia from England 200 years ago. For one thing, they didn't have to carry the oxygen they needed, and it was already known that crops, livestock, and available resources could make the colony self-sustaining.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Badxtoss on February 18, 2018, 07:33:32 PM
Carbon is not the only thing that destroys our atmosphere. (I use it because everyone uses it as a scale or sorts). Methane is much more devastating for example. Or NOX from planes is also much worse

What do NOx emissions from airplane engines, which produce energy by combustion of hydrocarbons and the oxygen from air in the presence of nitrogen (which is about 80% of air) have to do rocket engines which use combustion of Kerosene (which is a hydrocarbon) and pure oxygen (but no nitrogen)?

Why bring methane into the conversation at all? Methane is not contained in rocket exhaust.

I was just saying that just because the emissions are not 'CO2' doesn't mean it's not harmful for our environment

Rocket launches as they become more frequent will start having a meaningful impact on our ozone layer

Details, please...

Depending on the type of fuel (for example solid) it uses chlorine which is devastating to Ozone, and kerosene exhaust forms nitric oxide and nitrogen dioxide, both of which react with ozone in the atmosphere. Its not as bad as the space agencies solid fuel, but if Elon wants to send a million people to Mars in quick succession, the cumulative impact could mean that we will really need that extra planet to live on because we fudged this one up getting there

A rockets exhaust in the upper atmosphere where oxygen is less abundant can also form black carbon


so launching a car into space for shits and giggles is not a responsible use for a finite fuel resource

It was a test flight. If it wasn't the car, it would have been an inert mass. That car was more expensive than an inert mass, but it obviously worth the extra cost for the publicity it brought both Tesla and SpaceX. Consider all the electrons that have been spilled on this forum alone!

By the time we are done with all the 'tests' we will have no resources left for the real thing. In the same way the British brought convicts to colonise Australia, we should do the same to colonise Mars. Yes, boohoo, an isolated trip to Mars can hurt psychological fee fees. Do you think it was any easier for people who sailed the seas back in the day? People on those ships on year long voyages would have been even more alone than if you sent people to Mars
Do you have any evidence at all that these tests will use up all of our resources or are you just blindly speculating?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Sam Hill on February 18, 2018, 08:56:32 PM
Cursing Elon, gimme a break. We are laughing at you and the Elon fanboys. I think is funny that you boys believe that his Tesla is flying in space. You are so brainwashed that you believe anything NASA tells you, and now you believe Elon. It is pitiful and funny at the same time.

You're famous, Hoppy!  Vice quoted you in an article called Flat Earthers Are Pissed at Elon Musk (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wj4n5q/flat-earthers-are-pissed-at-elon-musk) last week, I didn't see any mention of it on the forums yet.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Twerp on February 18, 2018, 09:10:01 PM
Awesome find! lol

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ďCursing Elon, gimme a break. We are laughing at you and the Elon fanboys. I think (it) is funny that you boys believe that his Tesla is flying in space,Ē reads one such message written by a user named Hoppy. ďYou are so brainwashed that you believe anything NASA tells you, and now you believe Elon Musk. It is pitiful and funny at the same time.Ē
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: NAZA on February 18, 2018, 09:32:32 PM
Cursing Elon, gimme a break. We are laughing at you and the Elon fanboys. I think is funny that you boys believe that his Tesla is flying in space. You are so brainwashed that you believe anything NASA tells you, and now you believe Elon. It is pitiful and funny at the same time.

You're famous, Hoppy!  Vice quoted you in an article called Flat Earthers Are Pissed at Elon Musk (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wj4n5q/flat-earthers-are-pissed-at-elon-musk) last week, I didn't see any mention of it on the forums yet.

I bet his mother is very proud.

John Davis should resign and let hoppy take over.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 18, 2018, 09:36:37 PM
Go, hoppy! You are now the poster boy of the movement!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Shifter on February 18, 2018, 09:38:03 PM
Cursing Elon, gimme a break. We are laughing at you and the Elon fanboys. I think is funny that you boys believe that his Tesla is flying in space. You are so brainwashed that you believe anything NASA tells you, and now you believe Elon. It is pitiful and funny at the same time.

You're famous, Hoppy!  Vice quoted you in an article called Flat Earthers Are Pissed at Elon Musk (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wj4n5q/flat-earthers-are-pissed-at-elon-musk) last week, I didn't see any mention of it on the forums yet.

I bet his mother is very proud.

John Davis should resign and let hoppy take over.

Agreed. At least there is no denying hoppys conviction
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 18, 2018, 09:40:20 PM
Launch a satellite with enough carbon fiber cable and a small rocket engine. Once in geosynchronous orbit, the rocket engine leaves the satellite with carbon fiber attached and flies toward earth. Once it reaches earth fasten it to a platform and mount your elevator to it. Easy peasy.

The issue is, once we have the technology and space ship/s that can launch the amount of carbon nano-tubes material into space, we probably wont need a space elevator. The mass of the cable will be in the 1000's of metric tones.
And last I checked (could be wrong) but carbon nano-tubes are just barely strong enough to handle the gravitational pull over the 35 000km required.

By the time we are done with all the 'tests' we will have no resources left for the real thing. In the same way the British brought convicts to colonise Australia, we should do the same to colonise Mars. Yes, boohoo, an isolated trip to Mars can hurt psychological fee fees. Do you think it was any easier for people who sailed the seas back in the day? People on those ships on year long voyages would have been even more alone than if you sent people to Mars
Do you have any evidence at all that these tests will use up all of our resources or are you just blindly speculating?

I dont know why the out right criticism for him pointing out pollution and limited resources?

Every human activity uses up resources, even sitting on your arse on these forums.
The great thing about space is, if we do it right, eventually we will be able to utilise the resources in our solar system. There is a lot more stuff up there than down here, and not endangered pandas are going to mind us mining it up there.

As for pollution. That is again an issue with all human activities. Over its a net cost/reward issue that is worth discussing.

Quick google and math

each falcon 9 launch creates 336,550 Kg of CO2
a small 2 bedroom cottage creates about 80 000kg of CO2
the total per-capita carbon footprint for an USA citizen is 19 000 000kg of CO2
the average USA home energy use is about 40 000kg CO2 every year

So relatively speaking, its not that much. But it add to the mix


Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: NAZA on February 18, 2018, 10:59:29 PM
Cursing Elon, gimme a break. We are laughing at you and the Elon fanboys. I think is funny that you boys believe that his Tesla is flying in space. You are so brainwashed that you believe anything NASA tells you, and now you believe Elon. It is pitiful and funny at the same time.

You're famous, Hoppy!  Vice quoted you in an article called Flat Earthers Are Pissed at Elon Musk (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wj4n5q/flat-earthers-are-pissed-at-elon-musk) last week, I didn't see any mention of it on the forums yet.

Not only hoppy, another of the the FES's finest minds was quoted...

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There are users in the forum pushing back on the Flat Earthers, who are then disparaged by the true believers as ďmuskbots.Ē Like all online activity, most of the threads quickly turn into flame wars.

 

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: dutchy on February 18, 2018, 11:40:34 PM
Cursing Elon, gimme a break. We are laughing at you and the Elon fanboys. I think is funny that you boys believe that his Tesla is flying in space. You are so brainwashed that you believe anything NASA tells you, and now you believe Elon. It is pitiful and funny at the same time.

You're famous, Hoppy!  Vice quoted you in an article called Flat Earthers Are Pissed at Elon Musk (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wj4n5q/flat-earthers-are-pissed-at-elon-musk) last week, I didn't see any mention of it on the forums yet.

Not only hoppy, another of the the FES's finest minds was quoted...

Quote

There are users in the forum pushing back on the Flat Earthers, who are then disparaged by the true believers as ďmuskbots.Ē Like all online activity, most of the threads quickly turn into flame wars.

 
Wow thanks (not) for linking to an article where superficiality reached a whole new level..
Will you stop spamming this forum with links that have absolutely zero content ?
Thanks in advance !
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 19, 2018, 02:04:54 AM
Wow thanks (not) for linking to an article where superficiality reached a whole new level..
Will you stop spamming this forum with links that have absolutely zero content ?
Thanks in advance !
And will you stop spamming this forum with posts that have totally negative content?

You complain about my "redicule" yet your main argument all along has been ridicule, with your stupid talk of "NASA fan-boy" or "Unbelievable that anyone really believes this spacy trash is real......." for anyone that doesn't agree with your ideas.

Talk about blatant hypocrisy.

But, I still find it strange that this new-fangled flat earth theory can't explain the simplest of observations like even the movement of the sun.

All you have is your silly negativism of trying to disprove space travel, which really is totally irrelevant.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rvlvr on February 19, 2018, 02:12:57 AM
I am not sure which is worse, faked space flight, or round Earth. This forum appears more anti-NASA than flat Earth.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 19, 2018, 02:47:01 AM
I am not sure which is worse, faked space flight, or round Earth. This forum appears more anti-NASA than flat Earth.
This forum is actually just a place for a bunch of procrastinators to disagree with each other about virtually everything.  It has very little to do with the site name
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Here to laugh at you on February 19, 2018, 03:08:42 AM
Cursing Elon, gimme a break. We are laughing at you and the Elon fanboys. I think is funny that you boys believe that his Tesla is flying in space. You are so brainwashed that you believe anything NASA tells you, and now you believe Elon. It is pitiful and funny at the same time.

You're famous, Hoppy!  Vice quoted you in an article called Flat Earthers Are Pissed at Elon Musk (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wj4n5q/flat-earthers-are-pissed-at-elon-musk) last week, I didn't see any mention of it on the forums yet.

Not only hoppy, another of the the FES's finest minds was quoted...

Quote

There are users in the forum pushing back on the Flat Earthers, who are then disparaged by the true believers as ďmuskbots.Ē Like all online activity, most of the threads quickly turn into flame wars.

 
Wow thanks (not) for linking to an article where superficiality reached a whole new level..
Will you stop spamming this forum with links that have absolutely zero content ?
Thanks in advance !

Really??

The article contained plenty of content, taken directly from the mouths of you flat earthers!

I promise you, one day you will wake up, and realize how insane you sound!
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 19, 2018, 03:09:34 AM
I am not sure which is worse, faked space flight, or round Earth. This forum appears more anti-NASA than flat Earth.
That's all dutchy bothers about. He thinks that destroying NASA will suddenly make the earth flat.

Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: rabinoz on February 19, 2018, 03:20:26 AM
I am not sure which is worse, faked space flight, or round Earth. This forum appears more anti-NASA than flat Earth.
This forum is actually just a place for a bunch of procrastinators to disagree with each other about virtually everything.  It has very little to do with the site name
That bothers me too but who is there to debate any "standard flat earth" theory?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 19, 2018, 03:33:25 AM
I am not sure which is worse, faked space flight, or round Earth. This forum appears more anti-NASA than flat Earth.
This forum is actually just a place for a bunch of procrastinators to disagree with each other about virtually everything.  It has very little to do with the site name
That bothers me too but who is there to debate any "standard flat earth" theory?

Very few actually. I spend some time here once every few months. This time round I can definitely see a drop of Flat Earth responses. Very few questions are posted in the Q&A page, this should be an indication that the movement is losing supporters. That should be where new comers go.

Instead we have a few strong supporters of Flat Earth.
A few Trolls and one or 2 others that come here to argue other conspiracies
And a bunch of round earth proponents looking for a fight

Its entertainment value is failing, I hope a new celebrity says something about the flat earth again soon.
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: markjo on February 19, 2018, 06:38:43 AM
Cursing Elon, gimme a break. We are laughing at you and the Elon fanboys. I think is funny that you boys believe that his Tesla is flying in space. You are so brainwashed that you believe anything NASA tells you, and now you believe Elon. It is pitiful and funny at the same time.

You're famous, Hoppy!  Vice quoted you in an article called Flat Earthers Are Pissed at Elon Musk (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wj4n5q/flat-earthers-are-pissed-at-elon-musk) last week, I didn't see any mention of it on the forums yet.

Not only hoppy, another of the the FES's finest minds was quoted...

Quote

There are users in the forum pushing back on the Flat Earthers, who are then disparaged by the true believers as ďmuskbots.Ē Like all online activity, most of the threads quickly turn into flame wars.

 
Wow thanks (not) for linking to an article where superficiality reached a whole new level..
Will you stop spamming this forum with links that have absolutely zero content ?
Thanks in advance !
He did link the article.  What did you think the blue text in his post was?
Title: Re: SpaceX: The Latest
Post by: Sam Hill on February 20, 2018, 02:22:11 PM
He did link the article.  What did you think the blue text in his post was?
You misunderstand him.  He means "Thanks (not really thanking you)..."