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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:30:57 AM

Title: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:30:57 AM
There is some aircraft companies producing the missinformation. They either do it for prove how they are strong. Sometimes they claim a route they never flown. Or sometimes they claim impossible flight times that nobody flight in. this is some kind of unfair competition.

I announce their names. if someone has an objection, they can say it clearly. if we have a mistake we can fix it. It is obviously impossible that while other companies constantly fly in a route in a 3 hours time, some of them claim on same route constantly in 2 hours. And sometimes some aircraft companies claim to fly some routes that they never flew.

some claim that they even get there when they are not recorded in the airport. It's a scam. it gives people the wrong information. and they mislead us when we do maps. if they dispute and if their objection is unjustified, I can sue them "for delaying my work by giving misleading information".

I'm giving the names deceiver companies now. The list of names will be increase by new knowledges:

Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights and Johannesburg to Perth flights. (Those flights never have been existed, no evidence)
Lan and Latam Airlines with lie of: Sao Paolo to Johannesburg flights. (lie of 8 hours)
South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
Sichuan airlines with the lie of: Beijing to Kummig flights. (flight time)
All Nippon Airlines with the lie of: Mumbai-Narita flights. (flight speed phsically impossible)
Singapore Airlines with the lie of under 10 hour travel between Johannesburg to Singapore.
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for torturing the passangers on the flight of Perth to Port Moresby.
Fly Dubai is blacklisted for their illogical claim in the route between Dar Assalaam and Dubai. According to their claim, their B738 is running faster a B77W of emirates in same route. Sorry, we are not enough fool till to believe this nonsence.
Virgin atlantic is black listed by sex scandal on their aircraft between Cancun and Gatwick.

I'll add here new names when I see. There is more than 1.000 serious companies  in the world but some of them dishonest ones. As we know them, there is always dishonests.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 06, 2018, 02:34:04 AM
they mislead us when we do maps.

I'm sorry your map isn't working out. There are two options here:

a. the premise of your map is flawed
b. there's a massive conspiracy

You've chosen option b. whereas I'd put money on option a. Here's the issue. Your map uses flight times. If you reject certain flight times as fictitious, then you can't make your map accurately since you admit the data on it might be wrong.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:36:49 AM
they mislead us when we do maps.

I'm sorry you're map isn't working out. There are two options here:

a. the premise of your map is flawed
b. there's a massive conspiracy

You've chosen option b. whereas I'd put money on option a. Here's the issue. Your map uses flight times. If you reject certain flight times as fictitious, then you can't make your map accurately since you admit the data on it might be wrong.

I'm not talking about flight times depend on my map.

If there is a flight between two cities and all of tousends of aircrafts run this path with 3 hours; so when I see somebody claim runs it in constantly in 1:30 hours; it is a liar. It is a dishonesty. They only aims to deceive people, and you are the lawyer of the evil. If you have a greate evidence about they are honest, prove it! (without money you got from them)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 06, 2018, 02:38:55 AM
I'm not talking about flight times depend on my map.

If there is a flight between two cities and all of tousends of aircrafts run this path with 3 hours; so when I see somebody claim runs it in constantly in 1:30 hours; it is a liar. It is a dishonesty. They only aims to deceive people, and you are the lawyer of the evil.

How am I the lawyer of evil? Some planes fly faster than other planes. And if those flights are predicted consistently, and no one on those flights has ever complained about them being a full Disney movie longer than advertised, I'd put my money on there being fast planes. People, while they may say in public they like watching Disney movies, tend to not want to watch more than one in a row unless they're drunk or with a friend.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:39:24 AM
You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them.  ;D
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:40:17 AM
I'm not talking about flight times depend on my map.

If there is a flight between two cities and all of tousends of aircrafts run this path with 3 hours; so when I see somebody claim runs it in constantly in 1:30 hours; it is a liar. It is a dishonesty. They only aims to deceive people, and you are the lawyer of the evil.

How am I the lawyer of evil? Some planes fly faster than other planes. And if those flights are predicted consistently, and no one on those flights has ever complained about them being a full Disney movie longer than advertised, I'd put my money on there being fast planes. People, while they may say in public they like watching Disney movies, tend to not want to watch more than one in a row unless they're drunk or with a friend.

All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim they run more than 1.000km/h. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 06, 2018, 02:42:46 AM
You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them.  ;D

I'm not Russian, but some flights be Russian faster than others.

All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.

You said the companies constantly claim it, but no-one has ever complained. If an aircraft company lied to you about the length of your flight, wouldn't you complain? I certainly would. Especially if they did it constantly.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:44:25 AM
You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them.  ;D

I'm not Russian, but some flights be Russian faster than others.

All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.

You said the companies constantly claim it, but no-one has ever complained. If an aircraft company lied to you about the length of your flight, wouldn't you complain? I certainly would. Especially if they did it constantly.

Russians are generally drunk. So that Ruskies runs as how they are drunked and runs about 50% more than requered. Then people think that Russia is bigger. No, Russia is smaller than China, but Ruskies are not driving without drink a votka. Anyway I'm turning to my work. Thanks for your comment but means nothing for me.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 06, 2018, 02:46:53 AM
Anyway I'm turning to my work. Thanks for your comment but means nothing for me.

Oh so like, what was the point of this thread again?

I announce their names. if someone has an objection, they can say it clearly. if we have a mistake we can fix it.

I have an objection...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Antonio on February 06, 2018, 02:49:04 AM

I'm giving the names deceiver companies now. The list of names will be increase by new knowledges:

Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)


Ok we will examine every case. Let's sort out the first one.
What do you exactly find suspicious about the SYD SCL flight duration? can you give an example please ?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: SpaceCadet on February 06, 2018, 02:59:38 AM
Inky is simply exhibiting classic flat earthism. Anything that shows his belief is wrong must be false, faked or a conspiracy out to deceive him.

Fake airlines, fake flights, fake routes, fake times and over all these years, not a single person has come out to complain about being deceived or as a whistle blower. Even Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning, Wikileaks and the likes have not discovered this great conspiracy.

But the great and mighty Brotherhood of the Dome AKA Intikam has seen through the deception no one else can see through because Russians are drunk 50% of the time and don't know when they have spent more time or less in the air. I suppose their clocks and watches and phones also have a sip of vodka as well, da?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 06, 2018, 03:03:59 AM
Even Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning, Wikileaks and the likes have not discovered this great conspiracy.
Yes, I wonder about this as well. And we have Anonymous, and others. Still, no proof of the conspiracy. Not even a hint of one. Except for the individuals here, no one seems to have any proof.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 06, 2018, 03:08:13 AM
Inky is simply exhibiting classic flat earthism.

You do realise I'm a flat earther, right?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 06, 2018, 06:22:53 AM
Inky is simply exhibiting classic flat earthism.

You do realise I'm a flat earther, right?
You do realise you're not called "Inky", right?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 06, 2018, 06:31:58 AM
Please, go ahead and blacklist away your deceiver wrong knowledge dishonest companies.

Please in future let us know what effects your blacklist has.

[The last 15 words of the "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow" soliloquy seem particularly appropriate here.]
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: simba on February 06, 2018, 07:43:10 AM
So, you are not only blacklisting people that think different than you, but airlines as well?

What's the next thing you're going to blacklist? Whole countries? Concepts? The Word "Round"!?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 12:58:17 PM
Lets exam them one by one:

Sao Paulo to Johannesburg flights:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA223/history/20180207/2030Z/SBGR/FAOR
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8162/history/20180205/2020Z/SBGR/FAOR
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8162/history/20180205/2020Z/SBGR/FAOR
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8163/history/20180206/0920Z/FAOR/SBGR

Now.

Latam airlines use B763 and South African Airlines use an A333. Distance is: 7.447kms.

This is the chart of the aircrafts depends on distance. I created it by examined more than 10.000 flights flown in reliable routes. And I mark for you the speed of aircraft for this route:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/oOEWB7.png)

These are similar aircrafts and B763 has 871 km/h and A333 has 866km/h. This is about same. But when we look the flight times, see unexpected flight time difference as like this:

From Sao to Johannesburg, South African Airlines fly under 9 hours with A333.
Latam Airlines fly in same route with a bit better aircraft but more than 10 hours! More than 1 hour more.

Links for these flights:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA223/history/20180207/2030Z/SBGR/FAOR
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8162/history/20180205/2020Z/SBGR/FAOR

This is logically impossible. But thats not all.

Lets look the opposite route:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA222/history/20180207/0910Z/FAOR/SBGR
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8163/history/20180206/0920Z/FAOR/SBGR

South African Airlines, again with a bit worst aircraf runs under 10 hours, and best is 9:24.
But with a few better aircraft, Latam airlines can't fly under the time of 10:39

There is average 1 hour difference again. This is logically impossible too.

One of them is logically impossible. And if there isn't an agreement betwen them, so one of them should blame the other for "deceiving people". But both are in silence.

So that,

Both aircraft companies are deceiver. They are like Russia and USA. Like how Russia claim to arrive space and USA agree, and when USA claim arrive the moon that logically impossible but Russia doesn't blame them for lie; as how they do that;

South African Airlines and Latam are supporting the lie of themselves.

With this fligth, both airlines black listed by producing misinformation.

Do you see anything direct references to the shape of the earth? And two of them have gone!

To be continued tomorrow...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 09:56:33 PM
Continue with Sichuan Airlines

Sichuan Airlines is manipulating the flight time of Urumqi-Xi'an.

Links:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CSC8588/history/20180207/1335Z/ZWWW/ZLXY
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES2300/history/20180207/1330Z/ZWWW/ZLXY
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/OKA2886/history/20180207/1130Z/ZWWW/ZLXY
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CQH8846/history/20180207/0855Z/ZWWW/ZLXY

I considered 4 airline companies for this route. These companies are using similar aircrafts: A319/A320. A319 and A320 sounds like different aircrafts but actually they are similar and have same speed on the air. Sichuan airlines uses A319 and the other 3 are using A320.

This is not a far distance and the path is well known by every companies. But while whole others are running about 3 hours, generally more than 3 hours; Sichuan Airlines is running about 2:30 hours. This is about 30 minutes to 1 hour less than others. In a short path, this means Sichuan Airlines is running 20% faster than others. This is logically impossible with similar type of aircrafts has same speed. It they have a logical explanation, so I'm ready to listen it.

This is both unfair competition, and to provide incorrect information to the public. So that Sichuan Airlines is black listed.

To be continued tomorrow...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
Qantas is blacklisted with the route of Sydney-Santiago

This is the flight link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27/history/20180207/0221Z/YSSY/SCEL

The distance is: 11.353kms.
The best time for Qantas B744 in this route: 11:50 hours. This is logically impossible. B744 is a fast aircraft but not one of the fastest ones.

Lets find the "best" speed for B744 for 11.353kms distance from chart:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/dOX98Q.png)

The best speed for B744 in the air is: 899km/h.

You can best fly in this route in as a best: 11.353kms / 899km/h = 12:37 hours

This is the best time that you can fly  with a B744: 12:37

This chart is occurred after examined about 10.000 flights. A B744 never passes the speed of 899.

But we see that, Qantas claims it fly between Santiago and Sydney as 11:50. This is 47 minutes less than its best flight time capacity.

In other means, Qantas claims B744 flies in this path with the speed of 959 kmh. This is phsically impossible. If you look the chart, you may see that the best speed on the air is shared by two aircraft types that best aircrafts in the air; A388 and B789 and these aircrafts have the best speed as 909-913 kmh. In a best conditions, an A388 may run with 920 as maximum speed of all type of aircrafts.

So that, with this claim, Qantas claims B744 that the very much slower aircraft than A388 and B789, but run faster than about 40km/h.

This is logically impossible.

It is clear that Qantas is deceiving people. If they have a good explanation, I'm ready to listen them. I'm listening them: How they run faster than an A388 and a B789 the flying storms!

All companies finished.

Did you see something referenced the shape of the earth? All technical knowledge.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2018, 12:07:03 AM
Hey, I have actually flied the Johannesburg to São Paulo flight on SAA.
Im cant remember the exact flight times as that was a few years ago. (Actually think there is a post of mine somewhere here discussing it)

And Johannesburg to Perth gets flown at least once a year by at least 1 family member of mine. Ill have to sit through that flight myself soon.

And just because a plane can fly faster, does not mean it flies faster further.
Different aircraft have different peak efficiencies as different ranges. Going faster may mean you cant go as far.

Just came in to say that. Have a happy day
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 12:13:56 AM
Hey, I have actually flied the Johannesburg to São Paulo flight on SAA.
Im cant remember the exact flight times as that was a few years ago. (Actually think there is a post of mine somewhere here discussing it)

And Johannesburg to Perth gets flown at least once a year by at least 1 family member of mine. Ill have to sit through that flight myself soon.

And just because a plane can fly faster, does not mean it flies faster further.
Different aircraft have different peak efficiencies as different ranges. Going faster may mean you cant go as far.

Just came in to say that. Have a happy day

Just you said a bit lie. Tell me what were you thinking to do in Sao Paulo? How can you prove you gone there. Prove us you stayed both cities in close and following days.

As your tag, show me the evidence!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 12:28:54 AM
All Nippon is added to the black list by following flight:

Mumbai-Narita.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history/20180207/1430Z/VABB/RJAA
history: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history

Aircraft: A388
Distance: 6.793kms.

Best time: 7:14
Best time from its history: 6:39

Average speed: 6793kms / 6:39= 1.021kmh. This is phsically impossible. No one of the aircraft, never runned with a speed over or close to 1.000kms in a route.

So that, sounds like All Nippon provides wrong information about flight times and deceiving the puclib, is added to the black list!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2018, 12:29:47 AM
Well I live in Durban, South Africa. Jhb is our main flight hub, so I dont live in Johannesburg per se. But have flown out of Johannesburg many times.
And I went to holiday in South America for a month.
Ill post some pretty pictures for you maybe, but not right now. I have normal human things to do now.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 12:31:18 AM
Well I live in Durban, South Africa. Jhb is our main flight hub, so I dont live in Johannesburg per se. But have flown out of Johannesburg many times.
And I went to holiday in South America for a month.
Ill post some pretty pictures for you maybe, but not right now. I have normal human things to do now.

I do not believe at all your talkings. Prove it, not picture. Show us your airline ticket, your bought details. Convince us you have gone there with airline.

Show us the evidence!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on February 07, 2018, 01:00:25 AM
All Nippon is added to the black list by following flight:

Mumbai-Narita.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history/20180207/1430Z/VABB/RJAA
history: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history

Aircraft: A388
Distance: 6.793kms.

Best time: 7:14
Best time from its history: 6:39

Average speed: 6793kms / 6:39= 1.021kmh. This is phsically impossible. No one of the aircraft, never runned with a speed over or close to 1.000kms in a route.

So that, sounds like All Nippon provides wrong information about flight times and deceiving the puclib, is added to the black list!
Actually 570mph.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 02:16:23 AM
All Nippon is added to the black list by following flight:

Mumbai-Narita.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history/20180207/1430Z/VABB/RJAA
history: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history

Aircraft: A388
Distance: 6.793kms.

Best time: 7:14
Best time from its history: 6:39

Average speed: 6793kms / 6:39= 1.021kmh. This is phsically impossible. No one of the aircraft, never runned with a speed over or close to 1.000kms in a route.

So that, sounds like All Nippon provides wrong information about flight times and deceiving the puclib, is added to the black list!
Actually 570mph.

We are using metric system (Meter kilogram second) in Erdoganistan.  ;D
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 07, 2018, 02:18:26 AM
"Erdoganistan"
;D
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2018, 02:46:16 AM
Well I live in Durban, South Africa. Jhb is our main flight hub, so I dont live in Johannesburg per se. But have flown out of Johannesburg many times.
And I went to holiday in South America for a month.
Ill post some pretty pictures for you maybe, but not right now. I have normal human things to do now.

I do not believe at all your talkings. Prove it, not picture. Show us your airline ticket, your bought details. Convince us you have gone there with airline.

Show us the evidence!

Well, what do you consider evidence? Showing you a ticket will also just be a scan or picture of a ticket.
I have a feeling that I can literally post anything here and you will cry fake if it does not conform to your world view.

How about you go and book the flight yourself and personally go see.

So, honest question, what can be posted on these forums that you will accept as true?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 02:52:22 AM
Well I live in Durban, South Africa. Jhb is our main flight hub, so I dont live in Johannesburg per se. But have flown out of Johannesburg many times.
And I went to holiday in South America for a month.
Ill post some pretty pictures for you maybe, but not right now. I have normal human things to do now.

I do not believe at all your talkings. Prove it, not picture. Show us your airline ticket, your bought details. Convince us you have gone there with airline.

Show us the evidence!

Well, what do you consider evidence? Showing you a ticket will also just be a scan or picture of a ticket.
I have a feeling that I can literally post anything here and you will cry fake if it does not conform to your world view.

How about you go and book the flight yourself and personally go see.

So, honest question, what can be posted on these forums that you will accept as true?

Only truthes can be proven by evidences. Your tag is "show me evidence" but you expect I believe your talkings. Why this hypocritism? I'm not talking about what I'm believe or not. Whole datas above are the result of a technical working. There is a technical working but you wait for we believe your talking without any evidences. I don't believe you, I don't trust you. I only believe the reality, the truth! Reality says these aircraft companies are nothing but a bunch of liars!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2018, 03:23:23 AM
O.K. I thought it was a simple question. . .

So if nothing posted here can be regarded as evidence, then why bother posting?

Again, if you want actual proof, get on a plane.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 05:36:04 AM
Singapore airlines by manipulating the flight between Johannesburg to Singapore:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/RnQ747.png)

They claim 9:46 hours for this flight.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA479/history/20180207/1145Z/FAOR/WSSS

But this is impossible. There is indirect 3 flights flown by 3 different airline companies that  go same path with about equal and 14:00 hours and about 12.400kms.

First company:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH808/history/20180207/1210Z/FAOR/HAAB
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH638/history/20180207/2110Z/HAAB/WSSS

Johannesburg to Bole: 4.073
Bole to Singapore: 7.267
Total distance: 11.340kms.

Second company:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE762/history/20180207/1115Z/FAOR/OMDB
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE432/history/20180207/2235Z/OMDB/WSSS

Johannesburg to Dubai: 6.421
Dubai to Singapore:  5.852
Total distance: 11.273kms.

Third company:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR1360/history/20180207/1730Z/FAOR/OTHH
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR944/history/20180208/0530Z/OTHH/WSSS

Johannesburg to Doha: 6.251
Doha to Singapore: 6.213
Total distance: 12.464kms.

Average distance: 11.700kms.
Average flight time: 16:30 hours.

Singapore airlines claims: 9:45 hours. This is logically impossible. The other companies are more serious companies; if the direct flight and under 10 hour travel was possible, I'm sure they could do it.

So that,

Singapore Airlines is black listed by producing disinformation.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Macarios on February 07, 2018, 06:03:13 AM
If you want to see if company is blacklisted, you will know before it is published here.
Just check out if they fly across south seas.
If they do, they will come to this list sooner or later.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2018, 07:14:37 AM
Just save yourself the time. Look for any flight from a country in the far Southern regions flying East or West.
All flights between Australia, South Africa and South American will distort a FET map to hell.
Only North to South Flights will work out for those countries.


Also why the Flat Earth Movement is a joke in the Southern Hemisphere.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Antonio on February 07, 2018, 07:24:36 AM
Qantas is blacklisted with the route of Sydney-Santiago

This is the flight link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27/history/20180207/0221Z/YSSY/SCEL

The distance is: 11.353kms.
The best time for Qantas B744 in this route: 11:50 hours. This is logically impossible. B744 is a fast aircraft but not one of the fastest ones.

The best speed for B744 in the air is: 899km/h.

This chart is occurred after examined about 10.000 flights. A B744 never passes the speed of 899.


Well, that's not true, here is a quick example:

PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 935 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180206/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180206/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)
PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 920 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180126/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180126/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)
PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 919 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180127/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180127/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)




Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
Qantas is blacklisted with the route of Sydney-Santiago

This is the flight link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27/history/20180207/0221Z/YSSY/SCEL

The distance is: 11.353kms.
The best time for Qantas B744 in this route: 11:50 hours. This is logically impossible. B744 is a fast aircraft but not one of the fastest ones.

The best speed for B744 in the air is: 899km/h.

This chart is occurred after examined about 10.000 flights. A B744 never passes the speed of 899.


Well, that's not true, here is a quick example:

PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 935 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180206/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180206/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)
PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 920 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180126/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180126/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)
PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 919 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180127/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180127/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)

Corsair Airlines will be blacklisted too. But I don't do that after your recommendation. I'll exam them and will take to the black list too. This is literally impossible. If you find another B744 flies faster than 920kmh, report it.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 01:25:09 PM
Well. We remember that Singapore Airlines that yet black listed.

They were already suspicious.

When did I declare them as suspicious? Who does remember it?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: mike247 on February 07, 2018, 01:28:41 PM
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)

I have taken this flight, the flight time was accurate, the flight is real

As to why there is variance in flight times for different airlines, not all airlines fly the same routes, some fly into jet streams to speed up the plane, others fly to minimise fuel use to save money, and depending on weather that can also drastically affect the flight time.

A planes maximum cruise speed is not its maximum ground speed, 899km/h in the air with a 100km/h tail wind is about 999 km/h ground speed
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Googleotomy on February 07, 2018, 08:55:18 PM
It seems there is now a "black list" in addtiion to the "ignore" list !     :-(
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 09:36:51 PM
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)

I have taken this flight, the flight time was accurate, the flight is real

As to why there is variance in flight times for different airlines, not all airlines fly the same routes, some fly into jet streams to speed up the plane, others fly to minimise fuel use to save money, and depending on weather that can also drastically affect the flight time.

A planes maximum cruise speed is not its maximum ground speed, 899km/h in the air with a 100km/h tail wind is about 999 km/h ground speed

I don't believe you. Prove you taken this flight.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 11:12:16 PM
It is disappointing to see my own countries flagship in this list. I'll never hand over another dollar to them. Qantas are sons of whores. Damn them
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 11:26:46 PM
I think this thread must win some prize.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Antonio on February 07, 2018, 11:51:13 PM

Corsair Airlines will be blacklisted too. But I don't do that after your recommendation. I'll exam them and will take to the black list too. This is literally impossible. If you find another B744 flies faster than 920kmh, report it.

Yes Sir !
Here is another obscure airline frauding:

BA 284 SFO-> LHR reported at 1278 km/h] and more than 920 km/h for about 4 hours https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW284/history/20131222/0020Z/KSFO/EGLL/tracklog (https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW284/history/20131222/0020Z/KSFO/EGLL/tracklog)

BA JFK-> LHR in 5h16m http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11337617/Jet-stream-blasts-BA-plane-across-Atlantic-in-record-time.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11337617/Jet-stream-blasts-BA-plane-across-Atlantic-in-record-time.html)

Ban British Airways!

BTW, how do you know that a 747 cannot fly faster than 920 km/h ?, why is it literally impossible ?


Look, an AirFrance  B777 at 1240 km/hr top speed

AF 011 JFK-CDG https://fr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR11/history/20150108/0250Z/KJFK/LFPG/tracklog

Ban Air France!




Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 11:52:58 PM

Corsair Airlines will be blacklisted too. But I don't do that after your recommendation. I'll exam them and will take to the black list too. This is literally impossible. If you find another B744 flies faster than 920kmh, report it.

Yes Sir !
Here is another obscure airline frauding:

BA 284 SFO-> LHR reported at 1278 km/h] and more than 920 km/h for about 4 hours https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW284/history/20131222/0020Z/KSFO/EGLL/tracklog (https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW284/history/20131222/0020Z/KSFO/EGLL/tracklog)

BA JFK-> LHR in 5h16m http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11337617/Jet-stream-blasts-BA-plane-across-Atlantic-in-record-time.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11337617/Jet-stream-blasts-BA-plane-across-Atlantic-in-record-time.html)

Ban British Airways!

BTW, how do you know that a 747 cannot fly faster than 920 km/h ?, why is it literally impossible ?


Look, an AirFrance  B777 at 1240 km/hr top speed

AF 011 JFK-CDG https://fr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR11/history/20150108/0250Z/KJFK/LFPG/tracklog

Ban Air France!

You should really let all the passengers know!.... individually.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 03:14:24 AM
I have asked that:

Well. We remember that Singapore Airlines that yet black listed.

They were already suspicious.

When did I declare them as suspicious? Who does remember it?

Sounds like nobody know the answer of this question.

Singapore airlines was already suspicious in the topic of "chemtrails", by their suspicious travels (not sheduled) on the air of Australia which country in the top of the cancer list with their green land and clear air.

Anger was blinded you. you can not see the facts.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 03:23:03 AM
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/5DLm8M.png)

(https://i.hizliresim.com/NZlg1a.png)

I'm. I want to show you something but there is no connection with this issue:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/NZlg3k.png)

Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 08, 2018, 04:00:21 AM
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.

Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.

You are an utterly stupid idiot Mr Brotherhood of the Deceivers!

There is no direct flight from Perth, Western Australia to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If anyone wants to fly Perth to Port Moresby they would normally fly
Perth, Western Australia to Brisbane, Queensland then from Brisbane, Queensland to Port Moresby, New Guinea.

If you don't accept that tough bikkies, because that is the TRUTH.
I live in Brisbane and my daughter and brother have flown that route. My brother has done it numerous times.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 08, 2018, 04:07:04 AM
I live in Brisbane
That must make you an imaginary person!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 08, 2018, 04:17:23 AM
I live in Brisbane
That must make you an imaginary person!
Actually, I imagine that I'm a real person, but what would I know?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 08, 2018, 04:19:21 AM
I guess the correct answer is "aether".
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: mike247 on February 08, 2018, 04:40:50 AM
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)

I have taken this flight, the flight time was accurate, the flight is real

As to why there is variance in flight times for different airlines, not all airlines fly the same routes, some fly into jet streams to speed up the plane, others fly to minimise fuel use to save money, and depending on weather that can also drastically affect the flight time.

A planes maximum cruise speed is not its maximum ground speed, 899km/h in the air with a 100km/h tail wind is about 999 km/h ground speed

I don't believe you. Prove you taken this flight.

I don't believe that you don't believe me. Prove this to me.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 05:21:43 AM
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.

Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.

You are an utterly stupid idiot Mr Brotherhood of the Deceivers!

There is no direct flight from Perth, Western Australia to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If anyone wants to fly Perth to Port Moresby they would normally fly
Perth, Western Australia to Brisbane, Queensland then from Brisbane, Queensland to Port Moresby, New Guinea.

If you don't accept that tough bikkies, because that is the TRUTH.
I live in Brisbane and my daughter and brother have flown that route. My brother has done it numerous times.

Insult doesn't make you right. Just I don't care with your sick ideas. If you have a strong argument, so you don't insult. So you are insulting because you are saying lie. Everybody see how you are angry and a sick man.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: SpaceCadet on February 09, 2018, 06:16:10 AM
This guy has one serious chip on his shoulders, one heck of a God-complex. Must come from listening to too many speeches from Erdogan.

Go on. Proof has been given to blacklist BA and Air France. Blacklist them. That way, I guess their planes all fall from the sky?

Rab can't make no comment as Brisbane doesn't exist. He's not a real person. Pity. I liked Rab. Blacklist him too.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Ugnich TAW on February 10, 2018, 04:40:30 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !


Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Ugnich TAW on February 10, 2018, 01:03:44 PM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.

You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 12:05:32 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.

You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...

Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Ugnich TAW on February 11, 2018, 01:01:36 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.

You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...

Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.

I'm speechless... man you should take a walk outside, meet people, talk to people (maybe just listen for a start), travel, take the boat, take the plane, read books, watch movies, explore your flat Earth instead of talking about it, have fun...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Macarios on February 11, 2018, 01:24:26 AM
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Interesting.
If every single airplane leans on air to fly in the first place, how come movement of that very same air won't affect the flight?

Actually, you might be right.
150 tons aircrafts can't be affected by air and stay in the sky.
Jumbo jets are hoax.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 11, 2018, 06:04:46 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.

You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...

Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.
Thank you for proving your ignorance on all things aerodynamic
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: hoppy on February 11, 2018, 06:19:12 AM
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.

Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.

You are an utterly stupid idiot Mr Brotherhood of the Deceivers!

There is no direct flight from Perth, Western Australia to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If anyone wants to fly Perth to Port Moresby they would normally fly
Perth, Western Australia to Brisbane, Queensland then from Brisbane, Queensland to Port Moresby, New Guinea.

If you don't accept that tough bikkies, because that is the TRUTH.
I live in Brisbane and my daughter and brother have flown that route. My brother has done it numerous times.

Insult doesn't make you right. Just I don't care with your sick ideas. If you have a strong argument, so you don't insult. So you are insulting because you are saying lie. Everybody see how you are angry and a sick man.
Shillinoz is very sick and everyone knows this.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 11, 2018, 06:51:27 AM
Hoppy, do you believe those flights do not exist?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 10:53:08 AM
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.

Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.

You are an utterly stupid idiot Mr Brotherhood of the Deceivers!

There is no direct flight from Perth, Western Australia to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If anyone wants to fly Perth to Port Moresby they would normally fly
Perth, Western Australia to Brisbane, Queensland then from Brisbane, Queensland to Port Moresby, New Guinea.

If you don't accept that tough bikkies, because that is the TRUTH.
I live in Brisbane and my daughter and brother have flown that route. My brother has done it numerous times.

Insult doesn't make you right. Just I don't care with your sick ideas. If you have a strong argument, so you don't insult. So you are insulting because you are saying lie. Everybody see how you are angry and a sick man.
Shillinoz is very sick and everyone knows this.

You should not have done this. Clones of sick'inoz will target you after now. Oh, sorry for you.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on February 11, 2018, 01:04:05 PM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?



Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 11, 2018, 01:42:35 PM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?
But cars do get blown around.  Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road.  They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 09:53:35 PM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?
But cars do get blown around.  Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road.  They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.

Formula pilots never consider the wind. And I never feel a wind slow down my car. Winds perhaps shakes the car, but this is its only affect; not causes the slow down.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2018, 10:30:33 PM
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.

Some one should book mark this.
 
I am guessing he has never been on a plane, or near one, or near someone that has been on or near a plane.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 11, 2018, 10:36:25 PM
To deny cars can be affected by wind conditions--and especially to say those mean nothing to an airplane--is just plain wrong.

Not surprised Shifter finds it a "valid point", but brotherhood should know better.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Ugnich TAW on February 12, 2018, 02:45:24 AM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?
But cars do get blown around.  Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road.  They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.

Formula pilots never consider the wind. And I never feel a wind slow down my car. Winds perhaps shakes the car, but this is its only affect; not causes the slow down.

So just ask yourself why pilots ALWAYS consider wind.
When planning their flight they consider wind.
Do you know what this device was made for ?
(https://www.ion.org/museum/photos/3_1.jpg)
https://www.ion.org/museum/item_view.cfm?cid=1&scid=2&iid=3
It's a drift meter, used during WWII to measure the DRIFT due to WIND during a flight.

When landing they consider wind.
Why do people put those kind of thing on an airfield ?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pgHBBmQz2BQ/T7easkAUboI/AAAAAAAAEL0/8JMCBtpCJbY/s1600/manche-a-air.jpg)
Because the pilot needs to know where the wind comes from and what's his strength.
Why are the runways always built in the direction of the main winds?

What the hell a plane is not moved along with the air volume it's flying in ? The plane is flying in the air just like you walk on a speedwalk.
My daughter is 5. She understands this. She sees this just flying a paper plane in the garden.

I tell you. Take a rest. Go outside. See some land. Meet people.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 12, 2018, 06:25:34 AM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?
But cars do get blown around.  Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road.  They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.

Formula pilots never consider the wind.
Incorrect

And I never feel a wind slow down my car. Winds perhaps shakes the car, but this is its only affect; not causes the slow down.
Did I say slow down?  Please learn to read.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Mvene on February 15, 2018, 08:23:23 PM
(http://)
This video shows a race car been lifted and slow down by air.

It is the same principle of how parachutes work.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 16, 2018, 04:07:48 AM
(http://)
This video shows a race car been lifted and slow down by air.

It is the same principle of how parachutes work.



No No No. the car is not being lifted by air.

Its just riding really fast at the equator in the direction the earth is spinning and being flung off the earth due to centrifugal forces.

Boom, another victory for round earth!

/sarcasm (in case it needs to be said)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Googleotomy on February 16, 2018, 09:24:02 AM
(http://)
This video shows a race car been lifted and slow down by air.

It is the same principle of how parachutes work.



No No No. the car is not being lifted by air.

Its just riding really fast at the equator in the direction the earth is spinning and being flung off the earth due to centrifugal forces.

Boom, another victory for round earth!

/sarcasm (in case it needs to be said)

Just a little more and it would have gone into orbit or joined the Tesla in outer space.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Googleotomy on February 16, 2018, 09:40:20 AM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?
But cars do get blown around.  Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road.  They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.

Formula pilots never consider the wind. And I never feel a wind slow down my car. Winds perhaps shakes the car, but this is its only affect; not causes the slow down.

It depends on whether you have a side-wind (shakes the car), a tail-wind (speeds the car) , or a head-wind (slows the car).
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 19, 2018, 12:45:22 AM
Fly Dubai is added to the list, with the claim of their B738 is running faster a B77W of Emirates. With this illogical claim, thay are added to the black list; in the route of Dar Assalaam-Dubai flights.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 19, 2018, 01:00:59 AM
Who is on your list by now? Or rather, which airline is not?


To help you on your search. Go look at all the flights that go to Port Louis. You would probably scratch all of them off.
you can start here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Seewoosagur_Ramgoolam_International_Airport#Airlines_and_destinations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Seewoosagur_Ramgoolam_International_Airport#Airlines_and_destinations)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on March 16, 2018, 05:25:54 AM
Virgin atlantic has black listed because of they have lost their virginity in their toulet. Ahaha. I don't think so there is a law to forbit for prevent them. Anyway.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on March 16, 2018, 05:51:58 AM
Virgin atlantic has black listed because of they have lost their virginity in their toulet. Ahaha. I don't think so there is a law to forbit for prevent them. Anyway.
Idiot! You blacklist for no other reason than that their flights will not fit your silly map!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Cahaya on March 16, 2018, 08:30:54 AM
I wonder if he saw me today? But he couldn't because I'm being ignored  8)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on March 16, 2018, 04:15:38 PM
I wonder if he saw me today? But he couldn't because I'm being ignored  8)
Being ignored ::) to infinity ::) means we can say what we like - ain't it grand!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: kellen miller on April 23, 2018, 11:02:48 AM
the earth is a sphere it is scientifically proven
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 23, 2018, 11:29:12 AM
Well, here's one more for the brotherhood of ostriches to black list.

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/04/ultra-long-range-a350-xwb-completes-first-flight-.html

Quote

Singapore Airlines to resume world’s longest commercial flights
The Ultra Long Range version of the A350 XWB, MSN 216,  has successfully completed its first flight. The latest variant of the best-selling A350 XWB Family will be able to fly further than any other commercial airliner and will enter service with launch operator Singapore Airlines in second half 2018.

The aircraft powered by Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engines has embarked on a short flight test programme to certify the changes over the standard A350-900 that will extend its range capability to 9,700 nautical miles. These changes include a modified fuel system that increases fuel carrying capacity by 24,000 litres, without the need for additional fuel tanks. The test phase will also measure enhanced performance from aerodynamic improvements, including extended winglets.

Altogether, Singapore Airlines has ordered seven A350-900 Ultra Long Range aircraft, which it will use on non-stop flights between Singapore and the US, including the world’s longest commercial service between Singapore and New York.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Unconvinced on April 23, 2018, 01:31:08 PM
The best is Virgin getting  “blacklisted” for a couple getting busy in the toilet.

I’m not huge fan of Richard Branson, but it doesn’t sound like something the company can be blamed for.

Unless perhaps, false advertising for giving the impression it’s the carrier for people who don’t have sex.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on April 23, 2018, 03:17:26 PM
Blacklisted!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKVbkF-Ve2Vvb7XKgWwjsBZHj4f0PROmbIizplaaXQCpisir7ZRA)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on April 23, 2018, 06:10:27 PM
What this whole thread proves is utter dishonesty of brotherhood of the dome when it comes to ::) debating ::).

If any evidence does not fit his preconceived notions about the shape of the earth or anything else he either
          ignores the person presenting it or
          here when it's a company, such as an airline, " ;) black lists ;)" them, a's if that means anything.
So we end up with his idiotic "Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airlines"

Still, I guess that brotherhood of the dome and his supporters just prove the ridiculous lengths one must go to in order to prop up this neo-Flat Earthism Hypothesis.

Curiouser and Curiouser expresses it so succinctly with:
Blacklisted!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKVbkF-Ve2Vvb7XKgWwjsBZHj4f0PROmbIizplaaXQCpisir7ZRA)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 23, 2018, 11:39:47 PM
Thank you for dedicating your time to showing which airlines need to be blacklisted, Brotherhood of the dome.  I can't speak for everyone, but I know for sure I'll NEVER book a flight with any of these companies.  I'll spend my hard earned money on one of the honest airlines thank-you-very-much.  My only concern is that this list isn't all inclusive.  Can you please research every single company and add all of those NO GOOD DECEIVERS to this list, so that I can reference it once it comes time to book a flight? 

Thank you. 
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 07:12:56 AM
Thank you for dedicating your time to showing which airlines need to be blacklisted, Brotherhood of the dome.  I can't speak for everyone, but I know for sure I'll NEVER book a flight with any of these companies.  I'll spend my hard earned money on one of the honest airlines thank-you-very-much.  My only concern is that this list isn't all inclusive.  Can you please research every single company and add all of those NO GOOD DECEIVERS to this list, so that I can reference it once it comes time to book a flight? 

Thank you.

If I make such a list, so the listed companies can be exposed to the pressure by the gang, or they can be bought. I don't want to categorise them, but generally muslim companies except emirates seem fair. institutional structures are more secure. For example, I have not seen "Turkish airlines" that one of the biggest company in star group while manipulating anything. But this doesn't proves they will not do it in next. European companies generally are safe. but in locally I can not say that this one is more secure. One of the biggest company in the world, lufthansa. I did not see lufthansa while manipulated a path. but that does not mean they will not do in the future.

Shortly, in this capital world, everything can change everytime by the affect of money.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 24, 2018, 07:19:44 AM
Thank you for dedicating your time to showing which airlines need to be blacklisted, Brotherhood of the dome.  I can't speak for everyone, but I know for sure I'll NEVER book a flight with any of these companies.  I'll spend my hard earned money on one of the honest airlines thank-you-very-much.  My only concern is that this list isn't all inclusive.  Can you please research every single company and add all of those NO GOOD DECEIVERS to this list, so that I can reference it once it comes time to book a flight? 

Thank you.

If I make such a list, so the listed companies can be exposed to the pressure by the gang, or they can be bought. I don't want to categorise them, but generally muslim companies except emirates seem fair. institutional structures are more secure. For example, I have not seen "Turkish airlines" that one of the biggest company in star group while manipulating anything. But this doesn't proves they will not do it in next. European companies generally are safe. but in locally I can not say that this one is more secure. One of the biggest company in the world, lufthansa. I did not see lufthansa while manipulated a path. but that does not mean they will not do in the future.

Shortly, in this capital world, everything can change everytime by the affect of money.

That is not good enough for me!  I refuse to spend my money on an airline that has deceived.  You must make an all-inclusive list so that it can be referenced.  I've already saved this page as a bookmark.  You must not leave any airlines out otherwise I will assume you are simply a paid shill by those airlines. 
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Chekinitout on April 24, 2018, 09:53:01 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.

You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...

Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.

You say wind can not affect a 150 ton plane? I understand it is not a airplane but I was stationed on a US Navy Frigate that weighs 4200 tons that was blown by the wind off the pier snapping all but one of the cables and lines holding it to the pier. I would say wind could affect a 150 ton airplane after seeing our ship blowing in the wind like it was nothing.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 01:26:32 PM
Thank you for dedicating your time to showing which airlines need to be blacklisted, Brotherhood of the dome.  I can't speak for everyone, but I know for sure I'll NEVER book a flight with any of these companies.  I'll spend my hard earned money on one of the honest airlines thank-you-very-much.  My only concern is that this list isn't all inclusive.  Can you please research every single company and add all of those NO GOOD DECEIVERS to this list, so that I can reference it once it comes time to book a flight? 

Thank you.

If I make such a list, so the listed companies can be exposed to the pressure by the gang, or they can be bought. I don't want to categorise them, but generally muslim companies except emirates seem fair. institutional structures are more secure. For example, I have not seen "Turkish airlines" that one of the biggest company in star group while manipulating anything. But this doesn't proves they will not do it in next. European companies generally are safe. but in locally I can not say that this one is more secure. One of the biggest company in the world, lufthansa. I did not see lufthansa while manipulated a path. but that does not mean they will not do in the future.

Shortly, in this capital world, everything can change everytime by the affect of money.

That is not good enough for me!  I refuse to spend my money on an airline that has deceived.  You must make an all-inclusive list so that it can be referenced.  I've already saved this page as a bookmark.  You must not leave any airlines out otherwise I will assume you are simply a paid shill by those airlines.

There is more than 1.000 airlines companies. Such as research takes my about a month. If you send me 10.000$ for this job, I may take an unpaid time off from my job and work on it. My btc adress is: 1D5KF6CcWRyrmyiQp6mnH2TMUKBrWXeg7p . After you have deposited the money, I will immediately do it. Ok, go.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 24, 2018, 02:23:47 PM
I'm afraid of a potential scam. Go ahead and research just 25% of the companies (roughly 250 per your statement) and I'll send you half of the 10,000 for starters. Please post your entire findings here so I can reference them. If you don't, this is undeniable proof that you are a paid shill by the airlines. I assumed you were unemployed, so this may take you less than a month.

Thanks brotherhood, flat earth counts on you.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 02:34:10 PM
I'm afraid of a potential scam. Go ahead and research just 25% of the companies (roughly 250 per your statement) and I'll send you half of the 10,000 for starters. Please post your entire findings here so I can reference them. If you don't, this is undeniable proof that you are a paid shill by the airlines. I assumed you were unemployed, so this may take you less than a month.

Thanks brotherhood, flat earth counts on you.

I need to get 1 week leave for 250. It costs 2.500$ of my a week. Pay or sh! I can not do its with free. if you claim and can not prove to I have taken money from some airline companies , so I have a right to sue you.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 24, 2018, 02:37:13 PM
I'm afraid of a potential scam. Go ahead and research just 25% of the companies (roughly 250 per your statement) and I'll send you half of the 10,000 for starters. Please post your entire findings here so I can reference them. If you don't, this is undeniable proof that you are a paid shill by the airlines. I assumed you were unemployed, so this may take you less than a month.

Thanks brotherhood, flat earth counts on you.

I need to get 1 week leave for 250. It costs 2.500$ of my a week. Pay or sh! I can not do its with free. if you claim and can not prove to I have taken money from some airline companies , so I have a right to sue you.

Paid shill confirmed.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 02:44:02 PM
I'm afraid of a potential scam. Go ahead and research just 25% of the companies (roughly 250 per your statement) and I'll send you half of the 10,000 for starters. Please post your entire findings here so I can reference them. If you don't, this is undeniable proof that you are a paid shill by the airlines. I assumed you were unemployed, so this may take you less than a month.

Thanks brotherhood, flat earth counts on you.

I need to get 1 week leave for 250. It costs 2.500$ of my a week. Pay or sh! I can not do its with free. if you claim and can not prove to I have taken money from some airline companies , so I have a right to sue you.

Paid shill confirmed.

Globitch attack has been detected.

I have already not given any names of aircraft companies, but you have forced me to get some names from me, true?

You made it for just as a trap.

You can't deceive me. Do you really believe that I want your dirty money? here you are, proved you are as idiot as how a globist is. Anyway.

you can not lower my reputation with such childish games. If you really force to me do something, you must paid it! All my research here is free. but I can not fulfill the request of a NASA serviceman for free. this is a principle stoppage that you can not able to understand.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 24, 2018, 02:58:23 PM
Globitch attack has been detected.

I have already not given any names of aircraft companies, but you have forced me to get some names from me, true?

You made it for just as a trap.

You can't deceive me. Do you really believe that I want your dirty money? here you are, proved you are as idiot as how a globist is. Anyway.

I'm simply saying that I rely heavily on your research, and feel that your list that you created is not all inclusive.  For this to be something I, and countless others, reference when scheduling their plane flights, it must be complete.  Your research is critical.  Although I have changed my mind now that you are a confirmed paid shill by the airlines.

you can not lower my reputation with such childish games.

Not even you yourself could do that. 
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on April 24, 2018, 10:22:17 PM

I have already not given any names of aircraft companies, but you have forced me to get some names from me, true?

You claim,  "I have already not given any names of aircraft companies" but here you give the names of nine airlines! Explain!
There is come aircraft companies producing the wrong knowledge. They either do it for prove how they are strong. Sometimes they claim a route they never flown. Or sometimes they claim impossible flight times that nobody flight in. this is some kind of unfair competition.
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I'm giving the names deceiver companies now. The list of names will be increase by new knowledges:

Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
Lan and Latam Airlines with lie of: Sao Paolo to Johannesburg flights. (lie of 8 hours)
South Africa Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
Sichuan airlines with the lie of: Beijing to Kummig flights. (flight time)
All Nippon Airlines with the lie of: Mumbai-Narita flights. (flight speed phsically impossible)
Singapore Airlines with the lie of under 10 hour travel between Johannesburg to Singapore.
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for torturing the passangers on the flight of Perth to Port Moresby.
Fly Dubai is blacklisted for their illogical claim in the route between Dar Assalaam and Dubai. According to their claim, their B738 is running faster a B77W of emirates in same route. Sorry, we are not enough fool till to believe this nonsence.
Virgin atlantic is black listed by sex scandal on their aircraft between Cancun and Gatwick.

As we know them, there is always dishonests.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 11:08:07 PM
Globitch attack has been detected.

I have already not given any names of aircraft companies, but you have forced me to get some names from me, true?

You made it for just as a trap.

You can't deceive me. Do you really believe that I want your dirty money? here you are, proved you are as idiot as how a globist is. Anyway.

I'm simply saying that I rely heavily on your research, and feel that your list that you created is not all inclusive.  For this to be something I, and countless others, reference when scheduling their plane flights, it must be complete.  Your research is critical.  Although I have changed my mind now that you are a confirmed paid shill by the airlines.

you can not lower my reputation with such childish games.

Not even you yourself could do that.

You're talking me like my patron. But when I want money, then you're turning to a poor man and blaming me by being a paid shill .

You're commanding me to do something for you.  You want I examine  more than 1.000 aircraft companies. How do you think I do it, by tossing a coin? I'm saying it is not easy and requires to I must want a free of charge during a month holiday from my workplace. During the working, what do you think I eat, stone?

What if I'm unemployed or not,  the reality doesn't change.

This is mens world, not for childs like you. Turn to your nursery and play with your toys.

As a result, we have nothing common to talk with you. You are a candidate of fraud.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 24, 2018, 11:21:37 PM
So you're saying my evil plan of protecting the airlines from your discoveries worked?

Perfect. Now no one will ever know their deceptions.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 11:52:23 PM
Stop that. there is a time and a place for everything. I decide what to do when. Your try to get my blood up, doesn't work on me. Stop that. Just stop that.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on April 24, 2018, 11:58:44 PM
Stop that. there is a time and a place for everything. I decide what to do when. Your try to get my blood up, doesn't work on me. Stop that. Just stop that.
Why? You accuse perfectly honest airlines of deception and you expect to say nothing! Not likely.

The only reason that you black list those airlines is that they disprove your ideas about the flat earth, not that what you say or do matters!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 25, 2018, 01:23:17 AM
Perhaps he is one of the clone of sickinoz.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 25, 2018, 12:30:53 PM
I'm an airline investor, just trying to protect my assets. The secret must not get out.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 25, 2018, 01:44:41 PM
I'm an airline investor, just trying to protect my assets. The secret must not get out.

Is one of your companies in the list?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 25, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
I'm an airline investor, just trying to protect my assets. The secret must not get out.

Is one of your companies in the list?

No and there's no way I'll let you add it.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 25, 2018, 02:36:18 PM
I'm an airline investor, just trying to protect my assets. The secret must not get out.

Is one of your companies in the list?

No and there's no way I'll let you add it.

I act completely objective. If I see a clear evidence, so whatever you do I add it.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: radioflat on June 04, 2018, 05:30:57 AM
Dear me, 'brotherhood of the dome', you are a twit ...

You endlessly cite published timetable flight durations as accurate times to travel a given route, but you clearly don't realise Airline Timetables are pretty much works of fiction ...

Airlines allow extra time to get from gate to gate; they often add an hour (to a say 10 hour long-haul flight) so that the plane will arrive 'early' and thus look good; the only way to get an accurate time from point A to point B is to be on the plane yourself and measure the take-off to landing time, and even then you are not allowing for head or tailwinds, which can alter flight times dramatically.

Duh!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 09, 2018, 04:51:36 AM
Dear me, 'brotherhood of the dome', you are a twit ...

You endlessly cite published timetable flight durations as accurate times to travel a given route, but you clearly don't realise Airline Timetables are pretty much works of fiction ...

Airlines allow extra time to get from gate to gate; they often add an hour (to a say 10 hour long-haul flight) so that the plane will arrive 'early' and thus look good; the only way to get an accurate time from point A to point B is to be on the plane yourself and measure the take-off to landing time, and even then you are not allowing for head or tailwinds, which can alter flight times dramatically.

Duh!

I've considered all events cause delay the flight time by calculating speeds depends on distances. For example an aircraft runs faster in far distances, and events cause delay are less affects the flight speed. On the other hand, aircratfs run slower in close distances and events delay the aircraft average speed more affect the aircraft speed, these affects as landing and lift up time, opposite winds, etc. So that, considering aircraft speeds depends on distances give us fair enough close results.

On the other hand, these speeds depend on millions of flights. There is some claims incompatibled with these speeds but these claims are listed as blacklisted claims. As a result there is cheating in everywhere in world, but this is not one of them. You can not deceive the statistics.  ;)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 09, 2018, 07:30:01 AM
You're replying to a post from June.  Sharp as ever.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 09, 2018, 08:02:30 AM
You're replying to a post from June.  Sharp as ever.

Because I have awared it yet. Trust wise forever.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 01:26:37 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2018, 03:23:55 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
No thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!

Quote from: Shifter
Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
And if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!

Quote from: Shifter
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago
Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!

Quote from: Shifter
or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
QANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!

Quote from: Shifter
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
Get a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 03:33:18 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
No thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!

Quote from: Shifter
Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
And if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!

Quote from: Shifter
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago
Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!

Quote from: Shifter
or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
QANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!

Quote from: Shifter
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
Get a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!

You know nothing. Less than nothing either. I didn't fly with Qantas. I chose the cheapest option, which flew a family of 4 to China (and another one within China) for $1195. No way I'd score that deal with 'Qantas'. Flying Qantas, that's near what they would charge us just to go to Sydney. $300 eachto go to China and back again? Yes please.

Qantas sucks dogs balls (ie your balls)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 09, 2018, 04:21:41 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
No thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!

Quote from: Shifter
Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
And if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!

Quote from: Shifter
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago
Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!

Quote from: Shifter
or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
QANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!

Quote from: Shifter
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
Get a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!

You know nothing. Less than nothing either. I didn't fly with Qantas. I chose the cheapest option, which flew a family of 4 to China (and another one within China) for $1195. No way I'd score that deal with 'Qantas'. Flying Qantas, that's near what they would charge us just to go to Sydney. $300 eachto go to China and back again? Yes please.

Qantas sucks dogs balls (ie your balls)

If I'm reading this right, Qantas is overpriced, therefore they don't really fly where they say they fly?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 04:39:24 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
No thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!

Quote from: Shifter
Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
And if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!

Quote from: Shifter
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago
Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!

Quote from: Shifter
or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
QANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!

Quote from: Shifter
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
Get a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!

You know nothing. Less than nothing either. I didn't fly with Qantas. I chose the cheapest option, which flew a family of 4 to China (and another one within China) for $1195. No way I'd score that deal with 'Qantas'. Flying Qantas, that's near what they would charge us just to go to Sydney. $300 eachto go to China and back again? Yes please.

Qantas sucks dogs balls (ie your balls)

If I'm reading this right, Qantas is overpriced, therefore they don't really fly where they say they fly?

Qantas is a corporate shill who prides itself on never having crashed, best safety etc so that you choose them. But then they stick you on a cheap Chinese airline that you could have done yourself for half the price. The difference in not a token amount of money. It was near double the cost of an international return flight. It's deceptive. Yes I read the small print and did my research. But not everyone is like me. Some people are like rab

After Qantas tried to scam me (lets face it, it is a classic 'bait and switch'), I have no reason to trust them on anything.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2018, 05:24:06 PM
Get a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!
You know nothing. Less than nothing either. I didn't fly with Qantas. I chose the cheapest option, which flew a family of 4 to China (and another one within China) for $1195. No way I'd score that deal with 'Qantas'. Flying Qantas, that's near what they would charge us just to go to Sydney. $300 each to go to China and back again? Yes please.
So what? I've never flown QANTAS either, rather Emirates and even Royal Brunei, due to the cost.

But please explain how that is relevant to their flying Sydney to/from Santiago.
And if you've got a bee-in-your-bonnet about your own country's airline:
     LATAM flies non-stop Melbourne  (you do know where that is?) to/from Santiago
And you might even hitch a ride with Air New Zealand from Aukland to Santiago or Buenos Aires.

The if that doesn't blow the silly ideas of your Wise mate out of the water, SA Airlines flies non-stop Johannesburg to/from Perth (you do know where that is?).
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2018, 05:34:54 PM
Qantas is a corporate shill who prides itself on never having crashed, best safety etc so that you choose them. But then they stick you on a cheap Chinese airline that you could have done yourself for half the price.
And the safety record of many of those air lines is better not investigated >:(.
I have a brother-in-law who flew for years for Emirates, who also have an excellent safety record.
His advice, "Don't fly with any airline with China in the name". Maybe they've improved.

Quote from: Shifter
The difference in not a token amount of money. It was near double the cost of an international return flight. It's deceptive. Yes I read the small print and did my research.

But not everyone is (let me FTFY) a total idiot like me. Some people are like rab

After Qantas tried to scam me (lets face it, it is a classic 'bait and switch'), I have no reason to trust them on anything.
And where is your evidence that QANTAS don't fly Johannesburg to/from Sydney or Sydney to/from Santiago, Chile?

You haven't any!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 05:48:06 PM
Qantas is a corporate shill who prides itself on never having crashed, best safety etc so that you choose them. But then they stick you on a cheap Chinese airline that you could have done yourself for half the price.
And the safety record of many of those air lines is better not investigated >:(.
I have a brother-in-law who flew for years for Emirates, who also have an excellent safety record.
His advice, "Don't fly with any airline with China in the name". Maybe they've improved.

Quote from: Shifter
The difference in not a token amount of money. It was near double the cost of an international return flight. It's deceptive. Yes I read the small print and did my research.

But not everyone is (let me FTFY) a total idiot like me. Some people are like rab

After Qantas tried to scam me (lets face it, it is a classic 'bait and switch'), I have no reason to trust them on anything.
And where is your evidence that QANTAS don't fly Johannesburg to/from Sydney or Sydney to/from Santiago, Chile?

You haven't any!

Your brother in law sounds like a racist twat. China Eastern is regarded pretty good overall actually and I had no complaints about the service, the attractiveness of the flight attendants or the flight itself.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2018, 06:16:27 PM
Your brother in law sounds like a racist twat.
Hardly! At least he had not problems in Malaysia of the United Arab Emirates.
At the time it had nothing to do with race just airline safety and some mainland based Chinese airlines with an excellent record.

But you sound like a typical Flatardian anti-Australian twat. Keep it up you're helping Wise make the Flat Earth look ridiculous.

Quote from: Shifter
China Eastern is regarded pretty good overall actually and I had no complaints about the service, the attractiveness of the flight attendants or the flight itself.
But none of this is slightly related to the topic, just the usual subtle Shifter derailing technique.

What about some real evidence that the non-stop air routes:
     South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia and Australia to/from South America are or are not genuine?

I guess you haven't any.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 06:26:44 PM
Your brother in law sounds like a racist twat.
Hardly! At least he had not problems in Malaysia of the United Arab Emirates.
At the time it had nothing to do with race just airline safety and some mainland based Chinese airlines with an excellent record.

But you sound like a typical Flatardian anti-Australian twat. Keep it up you're helping Wise make the Flat Earth look ridiculous.

Quote from: Shifter
China Eastern is regarded pretty good overall actually and I had no complaints about the service, the attractiveness of the flight attendants or the flight itself.
But none of this is slightly related to the topic, just the usual subtle Shifter derailing technique.

What about some real evidence that the non-stop air routes:
     South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia and Australia to/from South America are or are not genuine?

I guess you haven't any.

I just checked webjet. Sydney to Johannesburg stops off at Dubai first  ::)
And Sydney to Santiago doesn't seem to exist. Seems like they want me to go from Melbourne to somewhere in North America first such as San Francisco or Houston first.

I'm done arguing with a shill like you. Be gone!

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 09, 2018, 07:54:46 PM
Your brother in law sounds like a racist twat.
Hardly! At least he had not problems in Malaysia of the United Arab Emirates.
At the time it had nothing to do with race just airline safety and some mainland based Chinese airlines with an excellent record.

But you sound like a typical Flatardian anti-Australian twat. Keep it up you're helping Wise make the Flat Earth look ridiculous.

Quote from: Shifter
China Eastern is regarded pretty good overall actually and I had no complaints about the service, the attractiveness of the flight attendants or the flight itself.
But none of this is slightly related to the topic, just the usual subtle Shifter derailing technique.

What about some real evidence that the non-stop air routes:
     South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia and Australia to/from South America are or are not genuine?

I guess you haven't any.

I just checked webjet. Sydney to Johannesburg stops off at Dubai first  ::)
And Sydney to Santiago doesn't seem to exist. Seems like they want me to go from Melbourne to somewhere in North America first such as San Francisco or Houston first.

I'm done arguing with a shill like you. Be gone!

I just checked webjet for non-stop Sydney to Santiago. The flight exists. Well, at least you can buy a ticket for it:

(https://i.imgur.com/KdU7WGW.png)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2018, 11:14:52 PM
I just checked webjet. Sydney to Johannesburg stops off at Dubai first  ::)
And Sydney to Santiago doesn't seem to exist. Seems like they want me to go from Melbourne to somewhere in North America first such as San Francisco or Houston first.

I'm done arguing with a shill like you. Be gone!
I just checked webjet for non-stop Sydney to Santiago. The flight exists. Well, at least you can buy a ticket for it:
(https://i.imgur.com/KdU7WGW.png)
As do non-stop flights:
      Sao Paulo to/from Johannesburg (SA Airlines),
      Johannesburg to/from Perth (SA Airlines), Johannesburg to/from Sydney (QANTAS), 
      Sydney to/from Santiago, Chile (QANTAS) and
      Melbourne  to/from Santiago, Chile (LATAM Airlines).
And Shifter knows very well that they do (or his ASI ::) has failed him).
His assigned task, however, is to troll all posts showing evidence his Flatardian Masters, (such as Wise etc) don't like.

Don't take any notice of him though. He just a toothless tiger - all snarl and no fangs.
Just take a look at his silly pretentiousness signature and who else has a silly pretentiousness signature - Wise, of course, Shifter's Master.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 11:23:36 PM
You're really quite angry rab

All it says is those flights weren't available tomorrow. Perhaps you can buy them now, they take your money and then conveniently before you are due to leave they alter your flight plan. Would not be the first time they screw your itinerary

Why are you making this so personal rab? Take a chill pill and relax old man
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 10, 2018, 12:06:05 AM
You're really quite angry rab
No just amused thst anyone can be as devious as you.

Quote from: Shifter
All it says is those flights weren't available tomorrow.
So what? Ever heard of flights being booked out? But that would be too simple an explanation for the Shifty Eyed Troll.

But don't look only at booking sites. Look at one of the sites that records when flights take off and land.
Flight history for South African Airways flight SA223:
          09 Dec 2018    Sao Paulo (GRU)    Johannesburg (JNB)    A332 (ZS-SXX)    8:03    6:30 PM    6:38 PM    7:10 AM    Landed 6:42 AM
          10 Dec 2018    Sao Paulo (GRU)    Johannesburg (JNB)       333                        —      6:30 PM        —           7:10 AM     Scheduled

Flight history for South African Airways flight SA281:
         09 Dec 2018    Perth (PER)    Johannesburg (JNB)    A346 (ZS-SNE)    10:01   11:45 PM    12:10 AM    4:35 AM    Landed 4:11 AM
         10 Dec 2018    Perth (PER)    Johannesburg (JNB)       346                         —        11:45 PM         —           4:35 AM    Scheduled      
    
You can chase up the rest at Flightradar24 (https://www.flightradar24.com).
Run off and troll someone else.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 10, 2018, 08:32:32 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 10, 2018, 09:06:01 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 10, 2018, 10:00:05 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 10, 2018, 01:06:07 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
WRONG!

It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft.  See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it.  Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.

You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 11, 2018, 08:42:09 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
WRONG!

It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft.  See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it.  Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.

You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.

Nope!

Quote
Estimations

When an aircraft is flying out of coverage Flightradar24 keeps estimating the position of the aircraft for up to 2 hours if the destination of the flight is known. For aircraft without known destination, position is estimated for up to 10 minutes. The position is calculated based on many different parameters and in most cases it's quite accurate, but for long flights the position can in worst cases be up to about 100 km (55 miles) off. In settings there is an option to set for how long time you want to see estimated aircraft on map.

https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 08:48:53 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
WRONG!

It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft.  See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it.  Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.

You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.

Nope!

Quote
Estimations

When an aircraft is flying out of coverage Flightradar24 keeps estimating the position of the aircraft for up to 2 hours if the destination of the flight is known. For aircraft without known destination, position is estimated for up to 10 minutes. The position is calculated based on many different parameters and in most cases it's quite accurate, but for long flights the position can in worst cases be up to about 100 km (55 miles) off. In settings there is an option to set for how long time you want to see estimated aircraft on map.

https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
See about ADS-B https://www.flightradar24.com/add-coverage

Your receiver will run Flightradar24's Pi24 client to track flights within 200-400 miles and will automatically share data with Flightradar24. You can track flights directly off your Pi24 device or via Flightradar24.com
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 11, 2018, 08:52:53 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
WRONG!

It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft.  See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it.  Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.

You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.

Nope!

Quote
Estimations

When an aircraft is flying out of coverage Flightradar24 keeps estimating the position of the aircraft for up to 2 hours if the destination of the flight is known. For aircraft without known destination, position is estimated for up to 10 minutes. The position is calculated based on many different parameters and in most cases it's quite accurate, but for long flights the position can in worst cases be up to about 100 km (55 miles) off. In settings there is an option to set for how long time you want to see estimated aircraft on map.

https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
See about ADS-B https://www.flightradar24.com/add-coverage

I see everything there. They clearly say they can "estimate". This is enough.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 08:55:10 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
WRONG!

It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft.  See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it.  Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.

You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.

Nope!

Quote
Estimations

When an aircraft is flying out of coverage Flightradar24 keeps estimating the position of the aircraft for up to 2 hours if the destination of the flight is known. For aircraft without known destination, position is estimated for up to 10 minutes. The position is calculated based on many different parameters and in most cases it's quite accurate, but for long flights the position can in worst cases be up to about 100 km (55 miles) off. In settings there is an option to set for how long time you want to see estimated aircraft on map.

https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
See about ADS-B https://www.flightradar24.com/add-coverage

I see everything there. They clearly say they can "estimate". This is enough.
That is when there is no ADS-B receiver coverage.  You should make one to try.

Your receiver will run Flightradar24's Pi24 client to track flights within 200-400 miles and will automatically share data with Flightradar24. You can track flights directly off your Pi24 device or via Flightradar24.com
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 11, 2018, 08:57:16 AM
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 09:00:26 AM
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?
Do you understand that flightradar24 displays data from the network of ADS-B receivers?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 09:56:52 AM
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?

No, they get information from receivers spread around the world.

"Automatic dependent surveillance—broadcast (ADS–B) is a surveillance technology in which an aircraft determines its position via satellite navigation and periodically broadcasts it, enabling it to be tracked. The information can be received by air traffic control ground stations as a replacement for secondary surveillance radar, as no interrogation signal is needed from the ground. It can also be received by other aircraft to provide situational awareness and allow self-separation.

ADS–B is "automatic" in that it requires no pilot or external input. It is "dependent" in that it depends on data from the aircraft's navigation system.[1]"

Here's a global map of receivers. Qantas does not own them:

(https://i.imgur.com/nRdw5xS.png)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 11, 2018, 12:17:46 PM
Qantas is giving the flight datas to flightradar and it publishes it. Case closed.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 12:24:34 PM
Qantas is giving the flight datas to flightradar and it publishes it. Case closed.
Airlines publish the flight data but the real time positions are from aircraft ADS-B transmitters and a network of receivers.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 11, 2018, 12:26:57 PM
Qantas is giving the flight datas to flightradar and it publishes it. Case closed.
Airlines publish the flight data but the real time positions are from aircraft ADS-B transmitters and a network of receivers.

Nope. I've showed you the line what website says. They estimate the path. So that they have get the data from aircraft company and publish it simultanously depends on estimated path.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 12:33:52 PM
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?

No, they get information from receivers spread around the world.

"Automatic dependent surveillance—broadcast (ADS–B) is a surveillance technology in which an aircraft determines its position via satellite navigation and periodically broadcasts it, enabling it to be tracked. The information can be received by air traffic control ground stations as a replacement for secondary surveillance radar, as no interrogation signal is needed from the ground. It can also be received by other aircraft to provide situational awareness and allow self-separation.

ADS–B is "automatic" in that it requires no pilot or external input. It is "dependent" in that it depends on data from the aircraft's navigation system.[1]"

Here's a global map of receivers. Qantas does not own them:

(https://i.imgur.com/nRdw5xS.png)

Not a single 'receiver' in Svalbard and only 1 in all of Greenland and only a few for Canada. None for Mongolia, several African countries and conveniently Antarctica and only a handful in Russia. In fact, you have more receivers in in Micronesia then you do in New Zealand. How does it track planes in the middle of the Pacific, Indian and Atlantic oceans? This map is a nonsense if its for tracking. I'd say there is a more nefarious reason for these so called trackers.

All planes must follow a strict flight path. The leave at 'x' time and arrive at 'y' time. Easy to input to FlightRadar24 the planes departure time and its arrival time worked out based on that

Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 01:57:11 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 02:05:06 PM
Qantas is giving the flight datas to flightradar and it publishes it. Case closed.
Airlines publish the flight data but the real time positions are from aircraft ADS-B transmitters and a network of receivers.

Nope. I've showed you the line what website says. They estimate the path. So that they have get the data from aircraft company and publish it simultanously depends on estimated path.
When it is flying out of coverage, no ADS-B reception, they estimate the location.  Why not get a receiver to help understand what an aircraft transmits.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 02:06:21 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 02:08:53 PM
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?

No, they get information from receivers spread around the world.

"Automatic dependent surveillance—broadcast (ADS–B) is a surveillance technology in which an aircraft determines its position via satellite navigation and periodically broadcasts it, enabling it to be tracked. The information can be received by air traffic control ground stations as a replacement for secondary surveillance radar, as no interrogation signal is needed from the ground. It can also be received by other aircraft to provide situational awareness and allow self-separation.

ADS–B is "automatic" in that it requires no pilot or external input. It is "dependent" in that it depends on data from the aircraft's navigation system.[1]"

Here's a global map of receivers. Qantas does not own them:

(https://i.imgur.com/nRdw5xS.png)

Not a single 'receiver' in Svalbard and only 1 in all of Greenland and only a few for Canada. None for Mongolia, several African countries and conveniently Antarctica and only a handful in Russia. In fact, you have more receivers in in Micronesia then you do in New Zealand. How does it track planes in the middle of the Pacific, Indian and Atlantic oceans? This map is a nonsense if its for tracking. I'd say there is a more nefarious reason for these so called trackers.

All planes must follow a strict flight path. The leave at 'x' time and arrive at 'y' time. Easy to input to FlightRadar24 the planes departure time and its arrival time worked out based on that

Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
A new system will use satellites to give near full coverage of aircraft locations.

https://aireon.com/resources/overview-materials/its-just-ads-b/

Happy?!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 02:10:56 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 11, 2018, 02:14:35 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
The planes with a crew and load of passengers leave Australia and arrive in Santiago, Chile, the expected time later with the same crew and load of passengers.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/wmk3q2hfbqz7o15/FlightAware%20-%20Flight%20QFA27%20Sydney%20to%20Santiago.jpg?dl=1)
FlightAware - Flight QFA27 Sydney to Santiago
         
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdrsme5evnljbh9/FlightAware%20-%20Flight%20QFA28%20Santiago%20to%20Sydney%202016-05-11.jpg?dl=1)
FlightAware - Flight QFA28 Santiago to Sydney 2016-05-11

Any theories on how they get there? Star Trek teleportation?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 02:15:50 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Yeah, but why? To further the globe earth conspiracy?
Maybe put your asi to good use and tell the world where that flight went off to. Seems like the least you could do.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 02:18:35 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 02:35:36 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 02:38:56 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.

Again, pilots must follow a strict flight path so its location can easily be worked out at any point by its departure time.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 02:46:59 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.

Again, pilots must follow a strict flight path so its location can easily be worked out at any point by its departure time.
Which varies as directed by air traffic control.  Happy about ADS-B working as stated?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on December 11, 2018, 02:50:16 PM

Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?)
The transponder is designed so the code can be changed so one can broadcast a code given by ATC, or other codes designating hijacking, or radio out, etc. It can be turned off just by pulling a fuse. If it were unable to be turned off then you'd have a device in the cockpit that you could never cut power to if an electrical fault occurs. That is a safety issue.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.

Again, pilots must follow a strict flight path so its location can easily be worked out at any point by its departure time.
Which varies as directed by air traffic control.  Happy about ADS-B working as stated?

Not until I get a logical explanation why there are none in Mongolia, many African countries, Svalbard and Antarctica. Why are there more in Micronesia, than Iceland and Greenland combined? Why so few in Canada etc.

If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 03:01:17 PM
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?

Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 03:05:28 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.

Again, pilots must follow a strict flight path so its location can easily be worked out at any point by its departure time.
Which varies as directed by air traffic control.  Happy about ADS-B working as stated?

Not until I get a logical explanation why there are none in Mongolia, many African countries, Svalbard and Antarctica. Why are there more in Micronesia, than Iceland and Greenland combined? Why so few in Canada etc.

If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?
Flightradar24 started as a hobby project in 2006 when two Swedish aviation geeks decided to build a network of ADS-B receivers in Northern and Central Europe. In 2009 we opened up the network, and made it possible for anyone with an ADS-B receiver to upload data to the network. Many parts of the world were quickly covered, but the quest to provide global ADS-B coverage is still ongoing. Hopefully with your support, we will get there.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 03:15:48 PM
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?

Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?

On a globe model at the height of an aeroplane, the horizon is not even 400km away. That means you would need them spaced every 300km or so to get the coverage needed for the plane to be able to communicate with the receiver at typical airplane altitudes. On a Flat model, the horizon is ∞. The fact there is so many receivers in Europe and North America could explain that is where the most heaviest airplane traffic is but spacing them out so sparsely is of no consequence
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 03:19:01 PM
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?

Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?

On a globe model at the height of an aeroplane, the horizon is not even 400km away. That means you would need them spaced every 300km or so to get the coverage needed for the plane to be able to communicate with the receiver at typical airplane altitudes. On a Flat model, the horizon is ∞. The fact there is so many receivers in Europe and North America could explain that is where the most heaviest airplane traffic is but spacing them out so sparsely is of no consequence

So I guess all of these people who are spacing them out, putting them everywhere are idiots. B/c on a flat earth, you would just need one. Maybe on top of Everest.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 11, 2018, 03:26:22 PM
Quote from: Aireon
Global Air Traffic Survellience (https://aireon.com/services/)

At the end of 2018, Aireon will provide the first global air traffic surveillance system using a satellite-based, space-based Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) network that will meet the strict real time ATS surveillance requirements required for air traffic separation services anywhere in the world.

ADS-B is an air traffic surveillance technology that relies on aircraft broadcasting their identity, a precise Global Positioning System (GPS) position and other information derived from on-board systems. The data is broadcast every half a second from the aircraft, and is being used by Air Traffic Controllers (ATCs) to identify and separate aircraft in real-time. Space-based ADS-B extends the same ADS-B technology currently received on ground-based receivers to space.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 03:26:39 PM
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?

Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?

On a globe model at the height of an aeroplane, the horizon is not even 400km away. That means you would need them spaced every 300km or so to get the coverage needed for the plane to be able to communicate with the receiver at typical airplane altitudes. On a Flat model, the horizon is ∞. The fact there is so many receivers in Europe and North America could explain that is where the most heaviest airplane traffic is but spacing them out so sparsely is of no consequence

So I guess all of these people who are spacing them out, putting them everywhere are idiots. B/c on a flat earth, you would just need one. Maybe on top of Everest.

There could be more than 10,000 commercial airplanes flying at any given time. Just the commercial ones. Perhaps one receiver is not reliable for this load. How many planes at any given time are flying over Greenland? Probably only when they need to stage a shot of Antarctica for rab to spam, which doesn't need to happen very often given how much he rehashes old crap.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 03:27:19 PM
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?

Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?

On a globe model at the height of an aeroplane, the horizon is not even 400km away. That means you would need them spaced every 300km or so to get the coverage needed for the plane to be able to communicate with the receiver at typical airplane altitudes. On a Flat model, the horizon is ∞. The fact there is so many receivers in Europe and North America could explain that is where the most heaviest airplane traffic is but spacing them out so sparsely is of no consequence

So I guess all of these people who are spacing them out, putting them everywhere are idiots. B/c on a flat earth, you would just need one. Maybe on top of Everest.
The majority of receivers are people making thier own to connect.  The parts are low cost but need an internet connection.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 03:57:49 PM
There could be more than 10,000 commercial airplanes flying at any given time. Just the commercial ones. Perhaps one receiver is not reliable for this load. How many planes at any given time are flying over Greenland? Probably only when they need to stage a shot of Antarctica for rab to spam, which doesn't need to happen very often given how much he rehashes old crap.

So if it's a capacity issue, put 100 receivers on top of Everest. Why spread them around the world?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 04:03:03 PM
There could be more than 10,000 commercial airplanes flying at any given time. Just the commercial ones. Perhaps one receiver is not reliable for this load. How many planes at any given time are flying over Greenland? Probably only when they need to stage a shot of Antarctica for rab to spam, which doesn't need to happen very often given how much he rehashes old crap.

So if it's a capacity issue, put 100 receivers on top of Everest. Why spread them around the world?
World is not flat and transmitters and receivers have a limited range.  As you know.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 04:14:10 PM
There could be more than 10,000 commercial airplanes flying at any given time. Just the commercial ones. Perhaps one receiver is not reliable for this load. How many planes at any given time are flying over Greenland? Probably only when they need to stage a shot of Antarctica for rab to spam, which doesn't need to happen very often given how much he rehashes old crap.

So if it's a capacity issue, put 100 receivers on top of Everest. Why spread them around the world?
World is not flat and transmitters and receivers have a limited range.  As you know.

World is far different than you can fathom

Also, the globe model is also nonsense. I can pick up on the FM band a radio station 100km away with mountains around. It's shitty reception but it's there. This would mean the transmitter would have to be at least 1km in height for it to have a line of sight to me.

Anyay we digress. This topic is about wises black listing of airline companies. Personally, even if you dont agree with his reasoning, you can at least blacklist Qantas and any other airline that engages in 'bait and switch' or deceptive marketing practices.

Qantas says: "Fly with us! We have never crashed and our airlines have the best service and safety! That's why our price is as high as the sky you fly!"  ;D ;D

[takes money]  8)

Qantas says: "Oh by the way, we may put you on a partner airline for all of your journey. You'll never step foot on our plane. Thanks for the money and enjoy flying with China Eastern!"  ;D ;D

You after checking out the cost of the China Eastern flight:  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 11, 2018, 05:18:46 PM
World is far different than you can fathom
Well, do tell us what shape the earth is.

Quote from: Shifter
Also, the globe model is also nonsense. I can pick up on the FM band a radio station 100km away with mountains around. It's shitty reception but it's there. This would mean the transmitter would have to be at least 1km in height for it to have a line of sight to me.
No, Shifter is nonsense and knows nothing about radio transmission but continues to blow off his mouth as if he's the next Einstein!

And what has that to do with your claim that "the globe model is also nonsense."

Quote from: Shifter
Anyway we digress.
Sure, classic Shifter technique! Derail a thread, then be the goody-goody that brings it back it back on track - well good for you!

Quote from: Shifter
This topic is about wises black listing of airline companies. Personally, even if you dont agree with his reasoning, you can at least blacklist Qantas and any other airline that engages in 'bait and switch' or deceptive marketing practices.
Qantas says: "Fly with us! We have never crashed and our airlines have the best service and safety! That's why our price is as high as the sky you fly!"  ;D ;D

[takes money]  8)

Qantas says: "Oh by the way, we may put you on a partner airline for all of your journey. You'll never step foot on our plane. Thanks for the money and enjoy flying with China Eastern!"  ;D ;D
You after checking out the cost of the China Eastern flight:  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
      South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia or Australia to/from South America are genuine.

But Shifter will keep trying to muddy the waters with his idiocy - simply because that what Shifter loves to do, screw things up.

Bye bye, have fun propping up the Failed Flat Earth Fallacy!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 05:35:01 PM
World is far different than you can fathom
Well, do tell us what shape the earth is.

Quote from: Shifter
Also, the globe model is also nonsense. I can pick up on the FM band a radio station 100km away with mountains around. It's shitty reception but it's there. This would mean the transmitter would have to be at least 1km in height for it to have a line of sight to me.
No, Shifter is nonsense and knows nothing about radio transmission but continues to blow off his mouth as if he's the next Einstein!

And what has that to do with your claim that "the globe model is also nonsense."

Quote from: Shifter
Anyway we digress.
Sure, classic Shifter technique! Derail a thread, then be the goody-goody that brings it back it back on track - well good for you!

Quote from: Shifter
This topic is about wises black listing of airline companies. Personally, even if you dont agree with his reasoning, you can at least blacklist Qantas and any other airline that engages in 'bait and switch' or deceptive marketing practices.
Qantas says: "Fly with us! We have never crashed and our airlines have the best service and safety! That's why our price is as high as the sky you fly!"  ;D ;D

[takes money]  8)

Qantas says: "Oh by the way, we may put you on a partner airline for all of your journey. You'll never step foot on our plane. Thanks for the money and enjoy flying with China Eastern!"  ;D ;D
You after checking out the cost of the China Eastern flight:  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
      South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia or Australia to/from South America are genuine.

But Shifter will keep trying to muddy the waters with his idiocy - simply because that what Shifter loves to do, screw things up.

Bye bye, have fun propping up the Failed Flat Earth Fallacy!

You triggered about something rab? Go take a cold shower
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 11, 2018, 09:41:05 PM
<< More Shifterese >>
None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
      South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia or Australia to/from South America are genuine.

But Shifter will keep trying to muddy the waters with his idiocy - simply because that what Shifter loves to do, screw things up.

Bye bye, have fun propping up the Failed Flat Earth Fallacy!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 09:59:34 PM
<< More Shifterese >>
None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
      South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia or Australia to/from South America are genuine.

But Shifter will keep trying to muddy the waters with his idiocy - simply because that what Shifter loves to do, screw things up.

Bye bye, have fun propping up the Failed Flat Earth Fallacy!

Dementia old man? You already said that last part. Scroll up if you dont believe me

Fact - no one here has provided proof of these flight routes existence. Only conjecture. That is not evidence

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
Fact - no one here has provided proof of these flight routes existence. Only conjecture. That is not evidence

Seriously? Way more evidence has been provided that the flights exist and literally zero evidence has been provided that they don't.

I mean there's even a video of a flat earther on the flight, in the cockpit, trying to show some nonsense about "level" flight and gyroscope stuff. Little did he know he was actually showing an RE flight and that it exists.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 10:53:56 PM
Fact - no one here has provided proof of these flight routes existence. Only conjecture. That is not evidence

Seriously? Way more evidence has been provided that the flights exist and literally zero evidence has been provided that they don't.

I mean there's even a video of a flat earther on the flight, in the cockpit, trying to show some nonsense about "level" flight and gyroscope stuff. Little did he know he was actually showing an RE flight and that it exists.



That video doesn't prove he was on 'x' flight route. Also, could be some REtard trying to discredit Flat Earthers by making them look like like a joke

Also, how does some random guy happen to get on the cockpit on a plane and take a video? That isn't even remotely allowed. Yeah sure, you get waken up by a sexy flight attendant and invited to go to the cockpit to talk about flat/round earth flight paths.

You only take this video as a proof because it suits your argument. You would never claim something like this authentic otherwise. It's a joke. It's sad that the round earthers have only this load of crap to point to and say 'SEE! THE FLIGHT IS REAL!'

Next time I'm on a flight, I fully expect the flight attendant to wake me from a sleep, invite me to the cockpit and start recording while I talk to the pilots. Sounds reasonable  8)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 11:59:20 PM
Fact - no one here has provided proof of these flight routes existence. Only conjecture. That is not evidence

Seriously? Way more evidence has been provided that the flights exist and literally zero evidence has been provided that they don't.

I mean there's even a video of a flat earther on the flight, in the cockpit, trying to show some nonsense about "level" flight and gyroscope stuff. Little did he know he was actually showing an RE flight and that it exists.



That video doesn't prove he was on 'x' flight route. Also, could be some REtard trying to discredit Flat Earthers by making them look like like a joke

Also, how does some random guy happen to get on the cockpit on a plane and take a video? That isn't even remotely allowed. Yeah sure, you get waken up by a sexy flight attendant and invited to go to the cockpit to talk about flat/round earth flight paths.

You only take this video as a proof because it suits your argument. You would never claim something like this authentic otherwise. It's a joke. It's sad that the round earthers have only this load of crap to point to and say 'SEE! THE FLIGHT IS REAL!'

Next time I'm on a flight, I fully expect the flight attendant to wake me from a sleep, invite me to the cockpit and start recording while I talk to the pilots. Sounds reasonable  8)

I had the same question as to how that guy got in the cockpit.

But all you have so far is your particular distaste for the airline industry, especially Qantas, as you feel they are over priced and out for profit over safety. I would agree with that though it doesn't seem very profitable to crash very expensive equipment and it's not very good from a brand perspective. But that whole distaste leads you to jump to the conclusion that they go to great lengths to fake flights and doing so to what end, gain, benefit? That's quite a leap in logic.

I don't have a video of someone pointing their iphone out a cabin window for the 12-14 hours duration of the flight. But there are plenty of videos of folks enjoying their high end accommodations on the flight, etc. They're presumably not trying to debunk a flat earth, just hoping to get likes and make their FB and Insta friends jealous.

As well, you're assuming, I guess, that anyone who purchases the flight never takes it. Or, in every instance, all direct flts are "canceled", always, and the customer is put on some insanely long connecting route. Yet they paid for a direct flight/shorter flt. Maybe we should be checking Qantas' yelp reviews for customers duped out of their direct flts.

Then you're pissed that there are more flt tracking receivers in Mongolia than Greenland. Kind of irrelevant. So I guess take up your displeasure with the fine people of Greenland.

And Wise's best reason for the flights to not be real is that no one would ever want to fly from S.America to Australia b/c of the language barrior...Seems reasonable.

At a minimum there is a preponderance of evidence that the flights are real and flown by humans with humans on board. Conversely, there is zero evidence that they are fake.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 12, 2018, 02:02:43 AM
Also, the globe model is also nonsense.
Are you pretending to be a flat earther now, or just on this thread?  Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Here to laugh at you on December 12, 2018, 03:45:54 AM
How easy it must be to concoct these silly ideas when you can simply label anything you want as fake or a scam!

I mean, did that surgeon REALLY remove that appendix? How do you know for sure? You were anesthetized!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 12, 2018, 07:47:47 AM
How easy it must be to concoct these silly ideas when you can simply label anything you want as fake or a scam!
Very, it's just lazy.

Quote
I mean, did that surgeon REALLY remove that appendix? How do you know for sure? You were anesthetized!
Ha! yeah.

Are you sure you are married with kids?  Maybe they are holograms?