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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:30:57 AM

Title: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:30:57 AM
There is some aircraft companies producing the missinformation. They either do it for prove how they are strong. Sometimes they claim a route they never flown. Or sometimes they claim impossible flight times that nobody flight in. this is some kind of unfair competition.

I announce their names. if someone has an objection, they can say it clearly. if we have a mistake we can fix it. It is obviously impossible that while other companies constantly fly in a route in a 3 hours time, some of them claim on same route constantly in 2 hours. And sometimes some aircraft companies claim to fly some routes that they never flew.

some claim that they even get there when they are not recorded in the airport. It's a scam. it gives people the wrong information. and they mislead us when we do maps. if they dispute and if their objection is unjustified, I can sue them "for delaying my work by giving misleading information".

I'm giving the names deceiver companies now. The list of names will be increase by new knowledges:

Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights and Johannesburg to Perth flights. (Those flights never have been existed, no evidence)
Lan and Latam Airlines with lie of: Sao Paolo to Johannesburg flights. (lie of 8 hours)
South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
Sichuan airlines with the lie of: Beijing to Kummig flights. (flight time)
All Nippon Airlines with the lie of: Mumbai-Narita flights. (flight speed phsically impossible)
Singapore Airlines with the lie of under 10 hour travel between Johannesburg to Singapore.
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for torturing the passangers on the flight of Perth to Port Moresby.
Fly Dubai is blacklisted for their illogical claim in the route between Dar Assalaam and Dubai. According to their claim, their B738 is running faster a B77W of emirates in same route. Sorry, we are not enough fool till to believe this nonsence.
Virgin atlantic is black listed by sex scandal on their aircraft between Cancun and Gatwick.
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/17-kids-injured-after-delta-jet-dumps-fuel-l-playground-n1115586) during midair emergency. Sobs!
American Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January.

I'll add here new names when I see. There is more than 1.000 serious companies  in the world but some of them dishonest ones. As we know them, there is always dishonests.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 06, 2018, 02:34:04 AM
they mislead us when we do maps.

I'm sorry your map isn't working out. There are two options here:

a. the premise of your map is flawed
b. there's a massive conspiracy

You've chosen option b. whereas I'd put money on option a. Here's the issue. Your map uses flight times. If you reject certain flight times as fictitious, then you can't make your map accurately since you admit the data on it might be wrong.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:36:49 AM
they mislead us when we do maps.

I'm sorry you're map isn't working out. There are two options here:

a. the premise of your map is flawed
b. there's a massive conspiracy

You've chosen option b. whereas I'd put money on option a. Here's the issue. Your map uses flight times. If you reject certain flight times as fictitious, then you can't make your map accurately since you admit the data on it might be wrong.

I'm not talking about flight times depend on my map.

If there is a flight between two cities and all of tousends of aircrafts run this path with 3 hours; so when I see somebody claim runs it in constantly in 1:30 hours; it is a liar. It is a dishonesty. They only aims to deceive people, and you are the lawyer of the evil. If you have a greate evidence about they are honest, prove it! (without money you got from them)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 06, 2018, 02:38:55 AM
I'm not talking about flight times depend on my map.

If there is a flight between two cities and all of tousends of aircrafts run this path with 3 hours; so when I see somebody claim runs it in constantly in 1:30 hours; it is a liar. It is a dishonesty. They only aims to deceive people, and you are the lawyer of the evil.

How am I the lawyer of evil? Some planes fly faster than other planes. And if those flights are predicted consistently, and no one on those flights has ever complained about them being a full Disney movie longer than advertised, I'd put my money on there being fast planes. People, while they may say in public they like watching Disney movies, tend to not want to watch more than one in a row unless they're drunk or with a friend.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:39:24 AM
You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them.  ;D
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:40:17 AM
I'm not talking about flight times depend on my map.

If there is a flight between two cities and all of tousends of aircrafts run this path with 3 hours; so when I see somebody claim runs it in constantly in 1:30 hours; it is a liar. It is a dishonesty. They only aims to deceive people, and you are the lawyer of the evil.

How am I the lawyer of evil? Some planes fly faster than other planes. And if those flights are predicted consistently, and no one on those flights has ever complained about them being a full Disney movie longer than advertised, I'd put my money on there being fast planes. People, while they may say in public they like watching Disney movies, tend to not want to watch more than one in a row unless they're drunk or with a friend.

All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim they run more than 1.000km/h. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 06, 2018, 02:42:46 AM
You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them.  ;D

I'm not Russian, but some flights be Russian faster than others.

All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.

You said the companies constantly claim it, but no-one has ever complained. If an aircraft company lied to you about the length of your flight, wouldn't you complain? I certainly would. Especially if they did it constantly.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 02:44:25 AM
You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them.  ;D

I'm not Russian, but some flights be Russian faster than others.

All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.

You said the companies constantly claim it, but no-one has ever complained. If an aircraft company lied to you about the length of your flight, wouldn't you complain? I certainly would. Especially if they did it constantly.

Russians are generally drunk. So that Ruskies runs as how they are drunked and runs about 50% more than requered. Then people think that Russia is bigger. No, Russia is smaller than China, but Ruskies are not driving without drink a votka. Anyway I'm turning to my work. Thanks for your comment but means nothing for me.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 06, 2018, 02:46:53 AM
Anyway I'm turning to my work. Thanks for your comment but means nothing for me.

Oh so like, what was the point of this thread again?

I announce their names. if someone has an objection, they can say it clearly. if we have a mistake we can fix it.

I have an objection...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Antonio on February 06, 2018, 02:49:04 AM

I'm giving the names deceiver companies now. The list of names will be increase by new knowledges:

Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)


Ok we will examine every case. Let's sort out the first one.
What do you exactly find suspicious about the SYD SCL flight duration? can you give an example please ?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: SpaceCadet on February 06, 2018, 02:59:38 AM
Inky is simply exhibiting classic flat earthism. Anything that shows his belief is wrong must be false, faked or a conspiracy out to deceive him.

Fake airlines, fake flights, fake routes, fake times and over all these years, not a single person has come out to complain about being deceived or as a whistle blower. Even Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning, Wikileaks and the likes have not discovered this great conspiracy.

But the great and mighty Brotherhood of the Dome AKA Intikam has seen through the deception no one else can see through because Russians are drunk 50% of the time and don't know when they have spent more time or less in the air. I suppose their clocks and watches and phones also have a sip of vodka as well, da?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 06, 2018, 03:03:59 AM
Even Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning, Wikileaks and the likes have not discovered this great conspiracy.
Yes, I wonder about this as well. And we have Anonymous, and others. Still, no proof of the conspiracy. Not even a hint of one. Except for the individuals here, no one seems to have any proof.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Tessa Yuri on February 06, 2018, 03:08:13 AM
Inky is simply exhibiting classic flat earthism.

You do realise I'm a flat earther, right?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 06, 2018, 06:22:53 AM
Inky is simply exhibiting classic flat earthism.

You do realise I'm a flat earther, right?
You do realise you're not called "Inky", right?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on February 06, 2018, 06:31:58 AM
Please, go ahead and blacklist away your deceiver wrong knowledge dishonest companies.

Please in future let us know what effects your blacklist has.

[The last 15 words of the "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow" soliloquy seem particularly appropriate here.]
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: simba on February 06, 2018, 07:43:10 AM
So, you are not only blacklisting people that think different than you, but airlines as well?

What's the next thing you're going to blacklist? Whole countries? Concepts? The Word "Round"!?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 12:58:17 PM
Lets exam them one by one:

Sao Paulo to Johannesburg flights:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA223/history/20180207/2030Z/SBGR/FAOR
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8162/history/20180205/2020Z/SBGR/FAOR
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8162/history/20180205/2020Z/SBGR/FAOR
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8163/history/20180206/0920Z/FAOR/SBGR

Now.

Latam airlines use B763 and South African Airlines use an A333. Distance is: 7.447kms.

This is the chart of the aircrafts depends on distance. I created it by examined more than 10.000 flights flown in reliable routes. And I mark for you the speed of aircraft for this route:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/oOEWB7.png)

These are similar aircrafts and B763 has 871 km/h and A333 has 866km/h. This is about same. But when we look the flight times, see unexpected flight time difference as like this:

From Sao to Johannesburg, South African Airlines fly under 9 hours with A333.
Latam Airlines fly in same route with a bit better aircraft but more than 10 hours! More than 1 hour more.

Links for these flights:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA223/history/20180207/2030Z/SBGR/FAOR
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8162/history/20180205/2020Z/SBGR/FAOR

This is logically impossible. But thats not all.

Lets look the opposite route:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA222/history/20180207/0910Z/FAOR/SBGR
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8163/history/20180206/0920Z/FAOR/SBGR

South African Airlines, again with a bit worst aircraf runs under 10 hours, and best is 9:24.
But with a few better aircraft, Latam airlines can't fly under the time of 10:39

There is average 1 hour difference again. This is logically impossible too.

One of them is logically impossible. And if there isn't an agreement betwen them, so one of them should blame the other for "deceiving people". But both are in silence.

So that,

Both aircraft companies are deceiver. They are like Russia and USA. Like how Russia claim to arrive space and USA agree, and when USA claim arrive the moon that logically impossible but Russia doesn't blame them for lie; as how they do that;

South African Airlines and Latam are supporting the lie of themselves.

With this fligth, both airlines black listed by producing misinformation.

Do you see anything direct references to the shape of the earth? And two of them have gone!

To be continued tomorrow...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 09:56:33 PM
Continue with Sichuan Airlines

Sichuan Airlines is manipulating the flight time of Urumqi-Xi'an.

Links:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CSC8588/history/20180207/1335Z/ZWWW/ZLXY
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES2300/history/20180207/1330Z/ZWWW/ZLXY
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/OKA2886/history/20180207/1130Z/ZWWW/ZLXY
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CQH8846/history/20180207/0855Z/ZWWW/ZLXY

I considered 4 airline companies for this route. These companies are using similar aircrafts: A319/A320. A319 and A320 sounds like different aircrafts but actually they are similar and have same speed on the air. Sichuan airlines uses A319 and the other 3 are using A320.

This is not a far distance and the path is well known by every companies. But while whole others are running about 3 hours, generally more than 3 hours; Sichuan Airlines is running about 2:30 hours. This is about 30 minutes to 1 hour less than others. In a short path, this means Sichuan Airlines is running 20% faster than others. This is logically impossible with similar type of aircrafts has same speed. It they have a logical explanation, so I'm ready to listen it.

This is both unfair competition, and to provide incorrect information to the public. So that Sichuan Airlines is black listed.

To be continued tomorrow...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
Qantas is blacklisted with the route of Sydney-Santiago

This is the flight link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27/history/20180207/0221Z/YSSY/SCEL

The distance is: 11.353kms.
The best time for Qantas B744 in this route: 11:50 hours. This is logically impossible. B744 is a fast aircraft but not one of the fastest ones.

Lets find the "best" speed for B744 for 11.353kms distance from chart:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/dOX98Q.png)

The best speed for B744 in the air is: 899km/h.

You can best fly in this route in as a best: 11.353kms / 899km/h = 12:37 hours

This is the best time that you can fly  with a B744: 12:37

This chart is occurred after examined about 10.000 flights. A B744 never passes the speed of 899.

But we see that, Qantas claims it fly between Santiago and Sydney as 11:50. This is 47 minutes less than its best flight time capacity.

In other means, Qantas claims B744 flies in this path with the speed of 959 kmh. This is phsically impossible. If you look the chart, you may see that the best speed on the air is shared by two aircraft types that best aircrafts in the air; A388 and B789 and these aircrafts have the best speed as 909-913 kmh. In a best conditions, an A388 may run with 920 as maximum speed of all type of aircrafts.

So that, with this claim, Qantas claims B744 that the very much slower aircraft than A388 and B789, but run faster than about 40km/h.

This is logically impossible.

It is clear that Qantas is deceiving people. If they have a good explanation, I'm ready to listen them. I'm listening them: How they run faster than an A388 and a B789 the flying storms!

All companies finished.

Did you see something referenced the shape of the earth? All technical knowledge.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2018, 12:07:03 AM
Hey, I have actually flied the Johannesburg to São Paulo flight on SAA.
Im cant remember the exact flight times as that was a few years ago. (Actually think there is a post of mine somewhere here discussing it)

And Johannesburg to Perth gets flown at least once a year by at least 1 family member of mine. Ill have to sit through that flight myself soon.

And just because a plane can fly faster, does not mean it flies faster further.
Different aircraft have different peak efficiencies as different ranges. Going faster may mean you cant go as far.

Just came in to say that. Have a happy day
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 12:13:56 AM
Hey, I have actually flied the Johannesburg to São Paulo flight on SAA.
Im cant remember the exact flight times as that was a few years ago. (Actually think there is a post of mine somewhere here discussing it)

And Johannesburg to Perth gets flown at least once a year by at least 1 family member of mine. Ill have to sit through that flight myself soon.

And just because a plane can fly faster, does not mean it flies faster further.
Different aircraft have different peak efficiencies as different ranges. Going faster may mean you cant go as far.

Just came in to say that. Have a happy day

Just you said a bit lie. Tell me what were you thinking to do in Sao Paulo? How can you prove you gone there. Prove us you stayed both cities in close and following days.

As your tag, show me the evidence!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 12:28:54 AM
All Nippon is added to the black list by following flight:

Mumbai-Narita.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history/20180207/1430Z/VABB/RJAA
history: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history

Aircraft: A388
Distance: 6.793kms.

Best time: 7:14
Best time from its history: 6:39

Average speed: 6793kms / 6:39= 1.021kmh. This is phsically impossible. No one of the aircraft, never runned with a speed over or close to 1.000kms in a route.

So that, sounds like All Nippon provides wrong information about flight times and deceiving the puclib, is added to the black list!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2018, 12:29:47 AM
Well I live in Durban, South Africa. Jhb is our main flight hub, so I dont live in Johannesburg per se. But have flown out of Johannesburg many times.
And I went to holiday in South America for a month.
Ill post some pretty pictures for you maybe, but not right now. I have normal human things to do now.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 12:31:18 AM
Well I live in Durban, South Africa. Jhb is our main flight hub, so I dont live in Johannesburg per se. But have flown out of Johannesburg many times.
And I went to holiday in South America for a month.
Ill post some pretty pictures for you maybe, but not right now. I have normal human things to do now.

I do not believe at all your talkings. Prove it, not picture. Show us your airline ticket, your bought details. Convince us you have gone there with airline.

Show us the evidence!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on February 07, 2018, 01:00:25 AM
All Nippon is added to the black list by following flight:

Mumbai-Narita.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history/20180207/1430Z/VABB/RJAA
history: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history

Aircraft: A388
Distance: 6.793kms.

Best time: 7:14
Best time from its history: 6:39

Average speed: 6793kms / 6:39= 1.021kmh. This is phsically impossible. No one of the aircraft, never runned with a speed over or close to 1.000kms in a route.

So that, sounds like All Nippon provides wrong information about flight times and deceiving the puclib, is added to the black list!
Actually 570mph.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 02:16:23 AM
All Nippon is added to the black list by following flight:

Mumbai-Narita.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history/20180207/1430Z/VABB/RJAA
history: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history

Aircraft: A388
Distance: 6.793kms.

Best time: 7:14
Best time from its history: 6:39

Average speed: 6793kms / 6:39= 1.021kmh. This is phsically impossible. No one of the aircraft, never runned with a speed over or close to 1.000kms in a route.

So that, sounds like All Nippon provides wrong information about flight times and deceiving the puclib, is added to the black list!
Actually 570mph.

We are using metric system (Meter kilogram second) in Erdoganistan.  ;D
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 07, 2018, 02:18:26 AM
"Erdoganistan"
;D
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2018, 02:46:16 AM
Well I live in Durban, South Africa. Jhb is our main flight hub, so I dont live in Johannesburg per se. But have flown out of Johannesburg many times.
And I went to holiday in South America for a month.
Ill post some pretty pictures for you maybe, but not right now. I have normal human things to do now.

I do not believe at all your talkings. Prove it, not picture. Show us your airline ticket, your bought details. Convince us you have gone there with airline.

Show us the evidence!

Well, what do you consider evidence? Showing you a ticket will also just be a scan or picture of a ticket.
I have a feeling that I can literally post anything here and you will cry fake if it does not conform to your world view.

How about you go and book the flight yourself and personally go see.

So, honest question, what can be posted on these forums that you will accept as true?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 02:52:22 AM
Well I live in Durban, South Africa. Jhb is our main flight hub, so I dont live in Johannesburg per se. But have flown out of Johannesburg many times.
And I went to holiday in South America for a month.
Ill post some pretty pictures for you maybe, but not right now. I have normal human things to do now.

I do not believe at all your talkings. Prove it, not picture. Show us your airline ticket, your bought details. Convince us you have gone there with airline.

Show us the evidence!

Well, what do you consider evidence? Showing you a ticket will also just be a scan or picture of a ticket.
I have a feeling that I can literally post anything here and you will cry fake if it does not conform to your world view.

How about you go and book the flight yourself and personally go see.

So, honest question, what can be posted on these forums that you will accept as true?

Only truthes can be proven by evidences. Your tag is "show me evidence" but you expect I believe your talkings. Why this hypocritism? I'm not talking about what I'm believe or not. Whole datas above are the result of a technical working. There is a technical working but you wait for we believe your talking without any evidences. I don't believe you, I don't trust you. I only believe the reality, the truth! Reality says these aircraft companies are nothing but a bunch of liars!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2018, 03:23:23 AM
O.K. I thought it was a simple question. . .

So if nothing posted here can be regarded as evidence, then why bother posting?

Again, if you want actual proof, get on a plane.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 05:36:04 AM
Singapore airlines by manipulating the flight between Johannesburg to Singapore:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/RnQ747.png)

They claim 9:46 hours for this flight.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA479/history/20180207/1145Z/FAOR/WSSS

But this is impossible. There is indirect 3 flights flown by 3 different airline companies that  go same path with about equal and 14:00 hours and about 12.400kms.

First company:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH808/history/20180207/1210Z/FAOR/HAAB
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH638/history/20180207/2110Z/HAAB/WSSS

Johannesburg to Bole: 4.073
Bole to Singapore: 7.267
Total distance: 11.340kms.

Second company:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE762/history/20180207/1115Z/FAOR/OMDB
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE432/history/20180207/2235Z/OMDB/WSSS

Johannesburg to Dubai: 6.421
Dubai to Singapore:  5.852
Total distance: 11.273kms.

Third company:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR1360/history/20180207/1730Z/FAOR/OTHH
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR944/history/20180208/0530Z/OTHH/WSSS

Johannesburg to Doha: 6.251
Doha to Singapore: 6.213
Total distance: 12.464kms.

Average distance: 11.700kms.
Average flight time: 16:30 hours.

Singapore airlines claims: 9:45 hours. This is logically impossible. The other companies are more serious companies; if the direct flight and under 10 hour travel was possible, I'm sure they could do it.

So that,

Singapore Airlines is black listed by producing disinformation.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Macarios on February 07, 2018, 06:03:13 AM
If you want to see if company is blacklisted, you will know before it is published here.
Just check out if they fly across south seas.
If they do, they will come to this list sooner or later.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2018, 07:14:37 AM
Just save yourself the time. Look for any flight from a country in the far Southern regions flying East or West.
All flights between Australia, South Africa and South American will distort a FET map to hell.
Only North to South Flights will work out for those countries.


Also why the Flat Earth Movement is a joke in the Southern Hemisphere.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Antonio on February 07, 2018, 07:24:36 AM
Qantas is blacklisted with the route of Sydney-Santiago

This is the flight link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27/history/20180207/0221Z/YSSY/SCEL

The distance is: 11.353kms.
The best time for Qantas B744 in this route: 11:50 hours. This is logically impossible. B744 is a fast aircraft but not one of the fastest ones.

The best speed for B744 in the air is: 899km/h.

This chart is occurred after examined about 10.000 flights. A B744 never passes the speed of 899.


Well, that's not true, here is a quick example:

PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 935 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180206/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180206/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)
PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 920 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180126/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180126/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)
PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 919 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180127/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180127/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)




Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
Qantas is blacklisted with the route of Sydney-Santiago

This is the flight link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27/history/20180207/0221Z/YSSY/SCEL

The distance is: 11.353kms.
The best time for Qantas B744 in this route: 11:50 hours. This is logically impossible. B744 is a fast aircraft but not one of the fastest ones.

The best speed for B744 in the air is: 899km/h.

This chart is occurred after examined about 10.000 flights. A B744 never passes the speed of 899.


Well, that's not true, here is a quick example:

PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 935 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180206/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180206/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)
PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 920 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180126/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180126/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)
PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 919 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180127/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180127/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)

Corsair Airlines will be blacklisted too. But I don't do that after your recommendation. I'll exam them and will take to the black list too. This is literally impossible. If you find another B744 flies faster than 920kmh, report it.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 01:25:09 PM
Well. We remember that Singapore Airlines that yet black listed.

They were already suspicious.

When did I declare them as suspicious? Who does remember it?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: mike247 on February 07, 2018, 01:28:41 PM
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)

I have taken this flight, the flight time was accurate, the flight is real

As to why there is variance in flight times for different airlines, not all airlines fly the same routes, some fly into jet streams to speed up the plane, others fly to minimise fuel use to save money, and depending on weather that can also drastically affect the flight time.

A planes maximum cruise speed is not its maximum ground speed, 899km/h in the air with a 100km/h tail wind is about 999 km/h ground speed
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: robintex on February 07, 2018, 08:55:18 PM
It seems there is now a "black list" in addtiion to the "ignore" list !     :-(
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 09:36:51 PM
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)

I have taken this flight, the flight time was accurate, the flight is real

As to why there is variance in flight times for different airlines, not all airlines fly the same routes, some fly into jet streams to speed up the plane, others fly to minimise fuel use to save money, and depending on weather that can also drastically affect the flight time.

A planes maximum cruise speed is not its maximum ground speed, 899km/h in the air with a 100km/h tail wind is about 999 km/h ground speed

I don't believe you. Prove you taken this flight.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 11:12:16 PM
It is disappointing to see my own countries flagship in this list. I'll never hand over another dollar to them. Qantas are sons of whores. Damn them
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 11:26:46 PM
I think this thread must win some prize.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Antonio on February 07, 2018, 11:51:13 PM

Corsair Airlines will be blacklisted too. But I don't do that after your recommendation. I'll exam them and will take to the black list too. This is literally impossible. If you find another B744 flies faster than 920kmh, report it.

Yes Sir !
Here is another obscure airline frauding:

BA 284 SFO-> LHR reported at 1278 km/h] and more than 920 km/h for about 4 hours https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW284/history/20131222/0020Z/KSFO/EGLL/tracklog (https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW284/history/20131222/0020Z/KSFO/EGLL/tracklog)

BA JFK-> LHR in 5h16m http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11337617/Jet-stream-blasts-BA-plane-across-Atlantic-in-record-time.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11337617/Jet-stream-blasts-BA-plane-across-Atlantic-in-record-time.html)

Ban British Airways!

BTW, how do you know that a 747 cannot fly faster than 920 km/h ?, why is it literally impossible ?


Look, an AirFrance  B777 at 1240 km/hr top speed

AF 011 JFK-CDG https://fr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR11/history/20150108/0250Z/KJFK/LFPG/tracklog

Ban Air France!




Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Lonegranger on February 07, 2018, 11:52:58 PM

Corsair Airlines will be blacklisted too. But I don't do that after your recommendation. I'll exam them and will take to the black list too. This is literally impossible. If you find another B744 flies faster than 920kmh, report it.

Yes Sir !
Here is another obscure airline frauding:

BA 284 SFO-> LHR reported at 1278 km/h] and more than 920 km/h for about 4 hours https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW284/history/20131222/0020Z/KSFO/EGLL/tracklog (https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW284/history/20131222/0020Z/KSFO/EGLL/tracklog)

BA JFK-> LHR in 5h16m http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11337617/Jet-stream-blasts-BA-plane-across-Atlantic-in-record-time.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11337617/Jet-stream-blasts-BA-plane-across-Atlantic-in-record-time.html)

Ban British Airways!

BTW, how do you know that a 747 cannot fly faster than 920 km/h ?, why is it literally impossible ?


Look, an AirFrance  B777 at 1240 km/hr top speed

AF 011 JFK-CDG https://fr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR11/history/20150108/0250Z/KJFK/LFPG/tracklog

Ban Air France!

You should really let all the passengers know!.... individually.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 03:14:24 AM
I have asked that:

Well. We remember that Singapore Airlines that yet black listed.

They were already suspicious.

When did I declare them as suspicious? Who does remember it?

Sounds like nobody know the answer of this question.

Singapore airlines was already suspicious in the topic of "chemtrails", by their suspicious travels (not sheduled) on the air of Australia which country in the top of the cancer list with their green land and clear air.

Anger was blinded you. you can not see the facts.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 03:23:03 AM
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/5DLm8M.png)

(https://i.hizliresim.com/NZlg1a.png)

I'm. I want to show you something but there is no connection with this issue:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/NZlg3k.png)

Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 08, 2018, 04:00:21 AM
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.

Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.

You are an utterly stupid idiot Mr Brotherhood of the Deceivers!

There is no direct flight from Perth, Western Australia to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If anyone wants to fly Perth to Port Moresby they would normally fly
Perth, Western Australia to Brisbane, Queensland then from Brisbane, Queensland to Port Moresby, New Guinea.

If you don't accept that tough bikkies, because that is the TRUTH.
I live in Brisbane and my daughter and brother have flown that route. My brother has done it numerous times.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 08, 2018, 04:07:04 AM
I live in Brisbane
That must make you an imaginary person!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 08, 2018, 04:17:23 AM
I live in Brisbane
That must make you an imaginary person!
Actually, I imagine that I'm a real person, but what would I know?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 08, 2018, 04:19:21 AM
I guess the correct answer is "aether".
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: mike247 on February 08, 2018, 04:40:50 AM
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)

I have taken this flight, the flight time was accurate, the flight is real

As to why there is variance in flight times for different airlines, not all airlines fly the same routes, some fly into jet streams to speed up the plane, others fly to minimise fuel use to save money, and depending on weather that can also drastically affect the flight time.

A planes maximum cruise speed is not its maximum ground speed, 899km/h in the air with a 100km/h tail wind is about 999 km/h ground speed

I don't believe you. Prove you taken this flight.

I don't believe that you don't believe me. Prove this to me.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 05:21:43 AM
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.

Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.

You are an utterly stupid idiot Mr Brotherhood of the Deceivers!

There is no direct flight from Perth, Western Australia to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If anyone wants to fly Perth to Port Moresby they would normally fly
Perth, Western Australia to Brisbane, Queensland then from Brisbane, Queensland to Port Moresby, New Guinea.

If you don't accept that tough bikkies, because that is the TRUTH.
I live in Brisbane and my daughter and brother have flown that route. My brother has done it numerous times.

Insult doesn't make you right. Just I don't care with your sick ideas. If you have a strong argument, so you don't insult. So you are insulting because you are saying lie. Everybody see how you are angry and a sick man.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: SpaceCadet on February 09, 2018, 06:16:10 AM
This guy has one serious chip on his shoulders, one heck of a God-complex. Must come from listening to too many speeches from Erdogan.

Go on. Proof has been given to blacklist BA and Air France. Blacklist them. That way, I guess their planes all fall from the sky?

Rab can't make no comment as Brisbane doesn't exist. He's not a real person. Pity. I liked Rab. Blacklist him too.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Ugnich TAW on February 10, 2018, 04:40:30 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !


Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Ugnich TAW on February 10, 2018, 01:03:44 PM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.

You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 12:05:32 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.

You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...

Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Ugnich TAW on February 11, 2018, 01:01:36 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.

You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...

Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.

I'm speechless... man you should take a walk outside, meet people, talk to people (maybe just listen for a start), travel, take the boat, take the plane, read books, watch movies, explore your flat Earth instead of talking about it, have fun...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Macarios on February 11, 2018, 01:24:26 AM
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Interesting.
If every single airplane leans on air to fly in the first place, how come movement of that very same air won't affect the flight?

Actually, you might be right.
150 tons aircrafts can't be affected by air and stay in the sky.
Jumbo jets are hoax.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 11, 2018, 06:04:46 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.

You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...

Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.
Thank you for proving your ignorance on all things aerodynamic
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: hoppy on February 11, 2018, 06:19:12 AM
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.

Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.

You are an utterly stupid idiot Mr Brotherhood of the Deceivers!

There is no direct flight from Perth, Western Australia to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If anyone wants to fly Perth to Port Moresby they would normally fly
Perth, Western Australia to Brisbane, Queensland then from Brisbane, Queensland to Port Moresby, New Guinea.

If you don't accept that tough bikkies, because that is the TRUTH.
I live in Brisbane and my daughter and brother have flown that route. My brother has done it numerous times.

Insult doesn't make you right. Just I don't care with your sick ideas. If you have a strong argument, so you don't insult. So you are insulting because you are saying lie. Everybody see how you are angry and a sick man.
Shillinoz is very sick and everyone knows this.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 11, 2018, 06:51:27 AM
Hoppy, do you believe those flights do not exist?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 10:53:08 AM
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.

Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.

You are an utterly stupid idiot Mr Brotherhood of the Deceivers!

There is no direct flight from Perth, Western Australia to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If anyone wants to fly Perth to Port Moresby they would normally fly
Perth, Western Australia to Brisbane, Queensland then from Brisbane, Queensland to Port Moresby, New Guinea.

If you don't accept that tough bikkies, because that is the TRUTH.
I live in Brisbane and my daughter and brother have flown that route. My brother has done it numerous times.

Insult doesn't make you right. Just I don't care with your sick ideas. If you have a strong argument, so you don't insult. So you are insulting because you are saying lie. Everybody see how you are angry and a sick man.
Shillinoz is very sick and everyone knows this.

You should not have done this. Clones of sick'inoz will target you after now. Oh, sorry for you.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on February 11, 2018, 01:04:05 PM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?



Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 11, 2018, 01:42:35 PM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?
But cars do get blown around.  Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road.  They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 09:53:35 PM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?
But cars do get blown around.  Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road.  They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.

Formula pilots never consider the wind. And I never feel a wind slow down my car. Winds perhaps shakes the car, but this is its only affect; not causes the slow down.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2018, 10:30:33 PM
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.

Some one should book mark this.
 
I am guessing he has never been on a plane, or near one, or near someone that has been on or near a plane.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 11, 2018, 10:36:25 PM
To deny cars can be affected by wind conditions--and especially to say those mean nothing to an airplane--is just plain wrong.

Not surprised Shifter finds it a "valid point", but brotherhood should know better.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Ugnich TAW on February 12, 2018, 02:45:24 AM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?
But cars do get blown around.  Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road.  They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.

Formula pilots never consider the wind. And I never feel a wind slow down my car. Winds perhaps shakes the car, but this is its only affect; not causes the slow down.

So just ask yourself why pilots ALWAYS consider wind.
When planning their flight they consider wind.
Do you know what this device was made for ?
(https://www.ion.org/museum/photos/3_1.jpg)
https://www.ion.org/museum/item_view.cfm?cid=1&scid=2&iid=3
It's a drift meter, used during WWII to measure the DRIFT due to WIND during a flight.

When landing they consider wind.
Why do people put those kind of thing on an airfield ?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pgHBBmQz2BQ/T7easkAUboI/AAAAAAAAEL0/8JMCBtpCJbY/s1600/manche-a-air.jpg)
Because the pilot needs to know where the wind comes from and what's his strength.
Why are the runways always built in the direction of the main winds?

What the hell a plane is not moved along with the air volume it's flying in ? The plane is flying in the air just like you walk on a speedwalk.
My daughter is 5. She understands this. She sees this just flying a paper plane in the garden.

I tell you. Take a rest. Go outside. See some land. Meet people.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 12, 2018, 06:25:34 AM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?
But cars do get blown around.  Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road.  They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.

Formula pilots never consider the wind.
Incorrect

And I never feel a wind slow down my car. Winds perhaps shakes the car, but this is its only affect; not causes the slow down.
Did I say slow down?  Please learn to read.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Mvene on February 15, 2018, 08:23:23 PM
(http://)
This video shows a race car been lifted and slow down by air.

It is the same principle of how parachutes work.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 16, 2018, 04:07:48 AM
(http://)
This video shows a race car been lifted and slow down by air.

It is the same principle of how parachutes work.



No No No. the car is not being lifted by air.

Its just riding really fast at the equator in the direction the earth is spinning and being flung off the earth due to centrifugal forces.

Boom, another victory for round earth!

/sarcasm (in case it needs to be said)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: robintex on February 16, 2018, 09:24:02 AM
(http://)
This video shows a race car been lifted and slow down by air.

It is the same principle of how parachutes work.



No No No. the car is not being lifted by air.

Its just riding really fast at the equator in the direction the earth is spinning and being flung off the earth due to centrifugal forces.

Boom, another victory for round earth!

/sarcasm (in case it needs to be said)

Just a little more and it would have gone into orbit or joined the Tesla in outer space.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: robintex on February 16, 2018, 09:40:20 AM
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?
But cars do get blown around.  Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road.  They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.

Formula pilots never consider the wind. And I never feel a wind slow down my car. Winds perhaps shakes the car, but this is its only affect; not causes the slow down.

It depends on whether you have a side-wind (shakes the car), a tail-wind (speeds the car) , or a head-wind (slows the car).
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 19, 2018, 12:45:22 AM
Fly Dubai is added to the list, with the claim of their B738 is running faster a B77W of Emirates. With this illogical claim, thay are added to the black list; in the route of Dar Assalaam-Dubai flights.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 19, 2018, 01:00:59 AM
Who is on your list by now? Or rather, which airline is not?


To help you on your search. Go look at all the flights that go to Port Louis. You would probably scratch all of them off.
you can start here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Seewoosagur_Ramgoolam_International_Airport#Airlines_and_destinations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Seewoosagur_Ramgoolam_International_Airport#Airlines_and_destinations)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on March 16, 2018, 05:25:54 AM
Virgin atlantic has black listed because of they have lost their virginity in their toulet. Ahaha. I don't think so there is a law to forbit for prevent them. Anyway.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on March 16, 2018, 05:51:58 AM
Virgin atlantic has black listed because of they have lost their virginity in their toulet. Ahaha. I don't think so there is a law to forbit for prevent them. Anyway.
Idiot! You blacklist for no other reason than that their flights will not fit your silly map!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Cahaya on March 16, 2018, 08:30:54 AM
I wonder if he saw me today? But he couldn't because I'm being ignored  8)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on March 16, 2018, 04:15:38 PM
I wonder if he saw me today? But he couldn't because I'm being ignored  8)
Being ignored ::) to infinity ::) means we can say what we like - ain't it grand!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: kellen miller on April 23, 2018, 11:02:48 AM
the earth is a sphere it is scientifically proven
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 23, 2018, 11:29:12 AM
Well, here's one more for the brotherhood of ostriches to black list.

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/04/ultra-long-range-a350-xwb-completes-first-flight-.html

Quote

Singapore Airlines to resume world’s longest commercial flights
The Ultra Long Range version of the A350 XWB, MSN 216,  has successfully completed its first flight. The latest variant of the best-selling A350 XWB Family will be able to fly further than any other commercial airliner and will enter service with launch operator Singapore Airlines in second half 2018.

The aircraft powered by Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engines has embarked on a short flight test programme to certify the changes over the standard A350-900 that will extend its range capability to 9,700 nautical miles. These changes include a modified fuel system that increases fuel carrying capacity by 24,000 litres, without the need for additional fuel tanks. The test phase will also measure enhanced performance from aerodynamic improvements, including extended winglets.

Altogether, Singapore Airlines has ordered seven A350-900 Ultra Long Range aircraft, which it will use on non-stop flights between Singapore and the US, including the world’s longest commercial service between Singapore and New York.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Unconvinced on April 23, 2018, 01:31:08 PM
The best is Virgin getting  “blacklisted” for a couple getting busy in the toilet.

I’m not huge fan of Richard Branson, but it doesn’t sound like something the company can be blamed for.

Unless perhaps, false advertising for giving the impression it’s the carrier for people who don’t have sex.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on April 23, 2018, 03:17:26 PM
Blacklisted!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKVbkF-Ve2Vvb7XKgWwjsBZHj4f0PROmbIizplaaXQCpisir7ZRA)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on April 23, 2018, 06:10:27 PM
What this whole thread proves is utter dishonesty of brotherhood of the dome when it comes to ::) debating ::).

If any evidence does not fit his preconceived notions about the shape of the earth or anything else he either
          ignores the person presenting it or
          here when it's a company, such as an airline, " ;) black lists ;)" them, a's if that means anything.
So we end up with his idiotic "Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airlines"

Still, I guess that brotherhood of the dome and his supporters just prove the ridiculous lengths one must go to in order to prop up this neo-Flat Earthism Hypothesis.

Curiouser and Curiouser expresses it so succinctly with:
Blacklisted!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKVbkF-Ve2Vvb7XKgWwjsBZHj4f0PROmbIizplaaXQCpisir7ZRA)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 23, 2018, 11:39:47 PM
Thank you for dedicating your time to showing which airlines need to be blacklisted, Brotherhood of the dome.  I can't speak for everyone, but I know for sure I'll NEVER book a flight with any of these companies.  I'll spend my hard earned money on one of the honest airlines thank-you-very-much.  My only concern is that this list isn't all inclusive.  Can you please research every single company and add all of those NO GOOD DECEIVERS to this list, so that I can reference it once it comes time to book a flight? 

Thank you. 
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 07:12:56 AM
Thank you for dedicating your time to showing which airlines need to be blacklisted, Brotherhood of the dome.  I can't speak for everyone, but I know for sure I'll NEVER book a flight with any of these companies.  I'll spend my hard earned money on one of the honest airlines thank-you-very-much.  My only concern is that this list isn't all inclusive.  Can you please research every single company and add all of those NO GOOD DECEIVERS to this list, so that I can reference it once it comes time to book a flight? 

Thank you.

If I make such a list, so the listed companies can be exposed to the pressure by the gang, or they can be bought. I don't want to categorise them, but generally muslim companies except emirates seem fair. institutional structures are more secure. For example, I have not seen "Turkish airlines" that one of the biggest company in star group while manipulating anything. But this doesn't proves they will not do it in next. European companies generally are safe. but in locally I can not say that this one is more secure. One of the biggest company in the world, lufthansa. I did not see lufthansa while manipulated a path. but that does not mean they will not do in the future.

Shortly, in this capital world, everything can change everytime by the affect of money.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 24, 2018, 07:19:44 AM
Thank you for dedicating your time to showing which airlines need to be blacklisted, Brotherhood of the dome.  I can't speak for everyone, but I know for sure I'll NEVER book a flight with any of these companies.  I'll spend my hard earned money on one of the honest airlines thank-you-very-much.  My only concern is that this list isn't all inclusive.  Can you please research every single company and add all of those NO GOOD DECEIVERS to this list, so that I can reference it once it comes time to book a flight? 

Thank you.

If I make such a list, so the listed companies can be exposed to the pressure by the gang, or they can be bought. I don't want to categorise them, but generally muslim companies except emirates seem fair. institutional structures are more secure. For example, I have not seen "Turkish airlines" that one of the biggest company in star group while manipulating anything. But this doesn't proves they will not do it in next. European companies generally are safe. but in locally I can not say that this one is more secure. One of the biggest company in the world, lufthansa. I did not see lufthansa while manipulated a path. but that does not mean they will not do in the future.

Shortly, in this capital world, everything can change everytime by the affect of money.

That is not good enough for me!  I refuse to spend my money on an airline that has deceived.  You must make an all-inclusive list so that it can be referenced.  I've already saved this page as a bookmark.  You must not leave any airlines out otherwise I will assume you are simply a paid shill by those airlines. 
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Chekinitout on April 24, 2018, 09:53:01 AM
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !

I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".

You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.

You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...

Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.

You say wind can not affect a 150 ton plane? I understand it is not a airplane but I was stationed on a US Navy Frigate that weighs 4200 tons that was blown by the wind off the pier snapping all but one of the cables and lines holding it to the pier. I would say wind could affect a 150 ton airplane after seeing our ship blowing in the wind like it was nothing.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 01:26:32 PM
Thank you for dedicating your time to showing which airlines need to be blacklisted, Brotherhood of the dome.  I can't speak for everyone, but I know for sure I'll NEVER book a flight with any of these companies.  I'll spend my hard earned money on one of the honest airlines thank-you-very-much.  My only concern is that this list isn't all inclusive.  Can you please research every single company and add all of those NO GOOD DECEIVERS to this list, so that I can reference it once it comes time to book a flight? 

Thank you.

If I make such a list, so the listed companies can be exposed to the pressure by the gang, or they can be bought. I don't want to categorise them, but generally muslim companies except emirates seem fair. institutional structures are more secure. For example, I have not seen "Turkish airlines" that one of the biggest company in star group while manipulating anything. But this doesn't proves they will not do it in next. European companies generally are safe. but in locally I can not say that this one is more secure. One of the biggest company in the world, lufthansa. I did not see lufthansa while manipulated a path. but that does not mean they will not do in the future.

Shortly, in this capital world, everything can change everytime by the affect of money.

That is not good enough for me!  I refuse to spend my money on an airline that has deceived.  You must make an all-inclusive list so that it can be referenced.  I've already saved this page as a bookmark.  You must not leave any airlines out otherwise I will assume you are simply a paid shill by those airlines.

There is more than 1.000 airlines companies. Such as research takes my about a month. If you send me 10.000$ for this job, I may take an unpaid time off from my job and work on it. My btc adress is: 1D5KF6CcWRyrmyiQp6mnH2TMUKBrWXeg7p . After you have deposited the money, I will immediately do it. Ok, go.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 24, 2018, 02:23:47 PM
I'm afraid of a potential scam. Go ahead and research just 25% of the companies (roughly 250 per your statement) and I'll send you half of the 10,000 for starters. Please post your entire findings here so I can reference them. If you don't, this is undeniable proof that you are a paid shill by the airlines. I assumed you were unemployed, so this may take you less than a month.

Thanks brotherhood, flat earth counts on you.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 02:34:10 PM
I'm afraid of a potential scam. Go ahead and research just 25% of the companies (roughly 250 per your statement) and I'll send you half of the 10,000 for starters. Please post your entire findings here so I can reference them. If you don't, this is undeniable proof that you are a paid shill by the airlines. I assumed you were unemployed, so this may take you less than a month.

Thanks brotherhood, flat earth counts on you.

I need to get 1 week leave for 250. It costs 2.500$ of my a week. Pay or sh! I can not do its with free. if you claim and can not prove to I have taken money from some airline companies , so I have a right to sue you.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 24, 2018, 02:37:13 PM
I'm afraid of a potential scam. Go ahead and research just 25% of the companies (roughly 250 per your statement) and I'll send you half of the 10,000 for starters. Please post your entire findings here so I can reference them. If you don't, this is undeniable proof that you are a paid shill by the airlines. I assumed you were unemployed, so this may take you less than a month.

Thanks brotherhood, flat earth counts on you.

I need to get 1 week leave for 250. It costs 2.500$ of my a week. Pay or sh! I can not do its with free. if you claim and can not prove to I have taken money from some airline companies , so I have a right to sue you.

Paid shill confirmed.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 02:44:02 PM
I'm afraid of a potential scam. Go ahead and research just 25% of the companies (roughly 250 per your statement) and I'll send you half of the 10,000 for starters. Please post your entire findings here so I can reference them. If you don't, this is undeniable proof that you are a paid shill by the airlines. I assumed you were unemployed, so this may take you less than a month.

Thanks brotherhood, flat earth counts on you.

I need to get 1 week leave for 250. It costs 2.500$ of my a week. Pay or sh! I can not do its with free. if you claim and can not prove to I have taken money from some airline companies , so I have a right to sue you.

Paid shill confirmed.

Globitch attack has been detected.

I have already not given any names of aircraft companies, but you have forced me to get some names from me, true?

You made it for just as a trap.

You can't deceive me. Do you really believe that I want your dirty money? here you are, proved you are as idiot as how a globist is. Anyway.

you can not lower my reputation with such childish games. If you really force to me do something, you must paid it! All my research here is free. but I can not fulfill the request of a NASA serviceman for free. this is a principle stoppage that you can not able to understand.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 24, 2018, 02:58:23 PM
Globitch attack has been detected.

I have already not given any names of aircraft companies, but you have forced me to get some names from me, true?

You made it for just as a trap.

You can't deceive me. Do you really believe that I want your dirty money? here you are, proved you are as idiot as how a globist is. Anyway.

I'm simply saying that I rely heavily on your research, and feel that your list that you created is not all inclusive.  For this to be something I, and countless others, reference when scheduling their plane flights, it must be complete.  Your research is critical.  Although I have changed my mind now that you are a confirmed paid shill by the airlines.

you can not lower my reputation with such childish games.

Not even you yourself could do that. 
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on April 24, 2018, 10:22:17 PM

I have already not given any names of aircraft companies, but you have forced me to get some names from me, true?

You claim,  "I have already not given any names of aircraft companies" but here you give the names of nine airlines! Explain!
There is come aircraft companies producing the wrong knowledge. They either do it for prove how they are strong. Sometimes they claim a route they never flown. Or sometimes they claim impossible flight times that nobody flight in. this is some kind of unfair competition.
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I'm giving the names deceiver companies now. The list of names will be increase by new knowledges:

Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
Lan and Latam Airlines with lie of: Sao Paolo to Johannesburg flights. (lie of 8 hours)
South Africa Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
Sichuan airlines with the lie of: Beijing to Kummig flights. (flight time)
All Nippon Airlines with the lie of: Mumbai-Narita flights. (flight speed phsically impossible)
Singapore Airlines with the lie of under 10 hour travel between Johannesburg to Singapore.
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for torturing the passangers on the flight of Perth to Port Moresby.
Fly Dubai is blacklisted for their illogical claim in the route between Dar Assalaam and Dubai. According to their claim, their B738 is running faster a B77W of emirates in same route. Sorry, we are not enough fool till to believe this nonsence.
Virgin atlantic is black listed by sex scandal on their aircraft between Cancun and Gatwick.

As we know them, there is always dishonests.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 11:08:07 PM
Globitch attack has been detected.

I have already not given any names of aircraft companies, but you have forced me to get some names from me, true?

You made it for just as a trap.

You can't deceive me. Do you really believe that I want your dirty money? here you are, proved you are as idiot as how a globist is. Anyway.

I'm simply saying that I rely heavily on your research, and feel that your list that you created is not all inclusive.  For this to be something I, and countless others, reference when scheduling their plane flights, it must be complete.  Your research is critical.  Although I have changed my mind now that you are a confirmed paid shill by the airlines.

you can not lower my reputation with such childish games.

Not even you yourself could do that.

You're talking me like my patron. But when I want money, then you're turning to a poor man and blaming me by being a paid shill .

You're commanding me to do something for you.  You want I examine  more than 1.000 aircraft companies. How do you think I do it, by tossing a coin? I'm saying it is not easy and requires to I must want a free of charge during a month holiday from my workplace. During the working, what do you think I eat, stone?

What if I'm unemployed or not,  the reality doesn't change.

This is mens world, not for childs like you. Turn to your nursery and play with your toys.

As a result, we have nothing common to talk with you. You are a candidate of fraud.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 24, 2018, 11:21:37 PM
So you're saying my evil plan of protecting the airlines from your discoveries worked?

Perfect. Now no one will ever know their deceptions.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 24, 2018, 11:52:23 PM
Stop that. there is a time and a place for everything. I decide what to do when. Your try to get my blood up, doesn't work on me. Stop that. Just stop that.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on April 24, 2018, 11:58:44 PM
Stop that. there is a time and a place for everything. I decide what to do when. Your try to get my blood up, doesn't work on me. Stop that. Just stop that.
Why? You accuse perfectly honest airlines of deception and you expect to say nothing! Not likely.

The only reason that you black list those airlines is that they disprove your ideas about the flat earth, not that what you say or do matters!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 25, 2018, 01:23:17 AM
Perhaps he is one of the clone of sickinoz.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 25, 2018, 12:30:53 PM
I'm an airline investor, just trying to protect my assets. The secret must not get out.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 25, 2018, 01:44:41 PM
I'm an airline investor, just trying to protect my assets. The secret must not get out.

Is one of your companies in the list?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 25, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
I'm an airline investor, just trying to protect my assets. The secret must not get out.

Is one of your companies in the list?

No and there's no way I'll let you add it.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on April 25, 2018, 02:36:18 PM
I'm an airline investor, just trying to protect my assets. The secret must not get out.

Is one of your companies in the list?

No and there's no way I'll let you add it.

I act completely objective. If I see a clear evidence, so whatever you do I add it.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: radioflat on June 04, 2018, 05:30:57 AM
Dear me, 'brotherhood of the dome', you are a twit ...

You endlessly cite published timetable flight durations as accurate times to travel a given route, but you clearly don't realise Airline Timetables are pretty much works of fiction ...

Airlines allow extra time to get from gate to gate; they often add an hour (to a say 10 hour long-haul flight) so that the plane will arrive 'early' and thus look good; the only way to get an accurate time from point A to point B is to be on the plane yourself and measure the take-off to landing time, and even then you are not allowing for head or tailwinds, which can alter flight times dramatically.

Duh!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 09, 2018, 04:51:36 AM
Dear me, 'brotherhood of the dome', you are a twit ...

You endlessly cite published timetable flight durations as accurate times to travel a given route, but you clearly don't realise Airline Timetables are pretty much works of fiction ...

Airlines allow extra time to get from gate to gate; they often add an hour (to a say 10 hour long-haul flight) so that the plane will arrive 'early' and thus look good; the only way to get an accurate time from point A to point B is to be on the plane yourself and measure the take-off to landing time, and even then you are not allowing for head or tailwinds, which can alter flight times dramatically.

Duh!

I've considered all events cause delay the flight time by calculating speeds depends on distances. For example an aircraft runs faster in far distances, and events cause delay are less affects the flight speed. On the other hand, aircratfs run slower in close distances and events delay the aircraft average speed more affect the aircraft speed, these affects as landing and lift up time, opposite winds, etc. So that, considering aircraft speeds depends on distances give us fair enough close results.

On the other hand, these speeds depend on millions of flights. There is some claims incompatibled with these speeds but these claims are listed as blacklisted claims. As a result there is cheating in everywhere in world, but this is not one of them. You can not deceive the statistics.  ;)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 09, 2018, 07:30:01 AM
You're replying to a post from June.  Sharp as ever.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 09, 2018, 08:02:30 AM
You're replying to a post from June.  Sharp as ever.

Because I have awared it yet. Trust wise forever.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 01:26:37 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2018, 03:23:55 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
No thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!

Quote from: Shifter
Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
And if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!

Quote from: Shifter
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago
Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!

Quote from: Shifter
or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
QANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!

Quote from: Shifter
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
Get a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 03:33:18 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
No thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!

Quote from: Shifter
Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
And if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!

Quote from: Shifter
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago
Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!

Quote from: Shifter
or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
QANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!

Quote from: Shifter
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
Get a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!

You know nothing. Less than nothing either. I didn't fly with Qantas. I chose the cheapest option, which flew a family of 4 to China (and another one within China) for $1195. No way I'd score that deal with 'Qantas'. Flying Qantas, that's near what they would charge us just to go to Sydney. $300 eachto go to China and back again? Yes please.

Qantas sucks dogs balls (ie your balls)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 09, 2018, 04:21:41 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
No thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!

Quote from: Shifter
Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
And if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!

Quote from: Shifter
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago
Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!

Quote from: Shifter
or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
QANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!

Quote from: Shifter
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
Get a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!

You know nothing. Less than nothing either. I didn't fly with Qantas. I chose the cheapest option, which flew a family of 4 to China (and another one within China) for $1195. No way I'd score that deal with 'Qantas'. Flying Qantas, that's near what they would charge us just to go to Sydney. $300 eachto go to China and back again? Yes please.

Qantas sucks dogs balls (ie your balls)

If I'm reading this right, Qantas is overpriced, therefore they don't really fly where they say they fly?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 04:39:24 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
No thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!

Quote from: Shifter
Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
And if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!

Quote from: Shifter
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago
Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!

Quote from: Shifter
or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
QANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!

Quote from: Shifter
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
Get a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!

You know nothing. Less than nothing either. I didn't fly with Qantas. I chose the cheapest option, which flew a family of 4 to China (and another one within China) for $1195. No way I'd score that deal with 'Qantas'. Flying Qantas, that's near what they would charge us just to go to Sydney. $300 eachto go to China and back again? Yes please.

Qantas sucks dogs balls (ie your balls)

If I'm reading this right, Qantas is overpriced, therefore they don't really fly where they say they fly?

Qantas is a corporate shill who prides itself on never having crashed, best safety etc so that you choose them. But then they stick you on a cheap Chinese airline that you could have done yourself for half the price. The difference in not a token amount of money. It was near double the cost of an international return flight. It's deceptive. Yes I read the small print and did my research. But not everyone is like me. Some people are like rab

After Qantas tried to scam me (lets face it, it is a classic 'bait and switch'), I have no reason to trust them on anything.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2018, 05:24:06 PM
Get a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!
You know nothing. Less than nothing either. I didn't fly with Qantas. I chose the cheapest option, which flew a family of 4 to China (and another one within China) for $1195. No way I'd score that deal with 'Qantas'. Flying Qantas, that's near what they would charge us just to go to Sydney. $300 each to go to China and back again? Yes please.
So what? I've never flown QANTAS either, rather Emirates and even Royal Brunei, due to the cost.

But please explain how that is relevant to their flying Sydney to/from Santiago.
And if you've got a bee-in-your-bonnet about your own country's airline:
     LATAM flies non-stop Melbourne  (you do know where that is?) to/from Santiago
And you might even hitch a ride with Air New Zealand from Aukland to Santiago or Buenos Aires.

The if that doesn't blow the silly ideas of your Wise mate out of the water, SA Airlines flies non-stop Johannesburg to/from Perth (you do know where that is?).
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2018, 05:34:54 PM
Qantas is a corporate shill who prides itself on never having crashed, best safety etc so that you choose them. But then they stick you on a cheap Chinese airline that you could have done yourself for half the price.
And the safety record of many of those air lines is better not investigated >:(.
I have a brother-in-law who flew for years for Emirates, who also have an excellent safety record.
His advice, "Don't fly with any airline with China in the name". Maybe they've improved.

Quote from: Shifter
The difference in not a token amount of money. It was near double the cost of an international return flight. It's deceptive. Yes I read the small print and did my research.

But not everyone is (let me FTFY) a total idiot like me. Some people are like rab

After Qantas tried to scam me (lets face it, it is a classic 'bait and switch'), I have no reason to trust them on anything.
And where is your evidence that QANTAS don't fly Johannesburg to/from Sydney or Sydney to/from Santiago, Chile?

You haven't any!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 05:48:06 PM
Qantas is a corporate shill who prides itself on never having crashed, best safety etc so that you choose them. But then they stick you on a cheap Chinese airline that you could have done yourself for half the price.
And the safety record of many of those air lines is better not investigated >:(.
I have a brother-in-law who flew for years for Emirates, who also have an excellent safety record.
His advice, "Don't fly with any airline with China in the name". Maybe they've improved.

Quote from: Shifter
The difference in not a token amount of money. It was near double the cost of an international return flight. It's deceptive. Yes I read the small print and did my research.

But not everyone is (let me FTFY) a total idiot like me. Some people are like rab

After Qantas tried to scam me (lets face it, it is a classic 'bait and switch'), I have no reason to trust them on anything.
And where is your evidence that QANTAS don't fly Johannesburg to/from Sydney or Sydney to/from Santiago, Chile?

You haven't any!

Your brother in law sounds like a racist twat. China Eastern is regarded pretty good overall actually and I had no complaints about the service, the attractiveness of the flight attendants or the flight itself.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2018, 06:16:27 PM
Your brother in law sounds like a racist twat.
Hardly! At least he had not problems in Malaysia of the United Arab Emirates.
At the time it had nothing to do with race just airline safety and some mainland based Chinese airlines with an excellent record.

But you sound like a typical Flatardian anti-Australian twat. Keep it up you're helping Wise make the Flat Earth look ridiculous.

Quote from: Shifter
China Eastern is regarded pretty good overall actually and I had no complaints about the service, the attractiveness of the flight attendants or the flight itself.
But none of this is slightly related to the topic, just the usual subtle Shifter derailing technique.

What about some real evidence that the non-stop air routes:
     South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia and Australia to/from South America are or are not genuine?

I guess you haven't any.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 06:26:44 PM
Your brother in law sounds like a racist twat.
Hardly! At least he had not problems in Malaysia of the United Arab Emirates.
At the time it had nothing to do with race just airline safety and some mainland based Chinese airlines with an excellent record.

But you sound like a typical Flatardian anti-Australian twat. Keep it up you're helping Wise make the Flat Earth look ridiculous.

Quote from: Shifter
China Eastern is regarded pretty good overall actually and I had no complaints about the service, the attractiveness of the flight attendants or the flight itself.
But none of this is slightly related to the topic, just the usual subtle Shifter derailing technique.

What about some real evidence that the non-stop air routes:
     South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia and Australia to/from South America are or are not genuine?

I guess you haven't any.

I just checked webjet. Sydney to Johannesburg stops off at Dubai first  ::)
And Sydney to Santiago doesn't seem to exist. Seems like they want me to go from Melbourne to somewhere in North America first such as San Francisco or Houston first.

I'm done arguing with a shill like you. Be gone!

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 09, 2018, 07:54:46 PM
Your brother in law sounds like a racist twat.
Hardly! At least he had not problems in Malaysia of the United Arab Emirates.
At the time it had nothing to do with race just airline safety and some mainland based Chinese airlines with an excellent record.

But you sound like a typical Flatardian anti-Australian twat. Keep it up you're helping Wise make the Flat Earth look ridiculous.

Quote from: Shifter
China Eastern is regarded pretty good overall actually and I had no complaints about the service, the attractiveness of the flight attendants or the flight itself.
But none of this is slightly related to the topic, just the usual subtle Shifter derailing technique.

What about some real evidence that the non-stop air routes:
     South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia and Australia to/from South America are or are not genuine?

I guess you haven't any.

I just checked webjet. Sydney to Johannesburg stops off at Dubai first  ::)
And Sydney to Santiago doesn't seem to exist. Seems like they want me to go from Melbourne to somewhere in North America first such as San Francisco or Houston first.

I'm done arguing with a shill like you. Be gone!

I just checked webjet for non-stop Sydney to Santiago. The flight exists. Well, at least you can buy a ticket for it:

(https://i.imgur.com/KdU7WGW.png)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 09, 2018, 11:14:52 PM
I just checked webjet. Sydney to Johannesburg stops off at Dubai first  ::)
And Sydney to Santiago doesn't seem to exist. Seems like they want me to go from Melbourne to somewhere in North America first such as San Francisco or Houston first.

I'm done arguing with a shill like you. Be gone!
I just checked webjet for non-stop Sydney to Santiago. The flight exists. Well, at least you can buy a ticket for it:
(https://i.imgur.com/KdU7WGW.png)
As do non-stop flights:
      Sao Paulo to/from Johannesburg (SA Airlines),
      Johannesburg to/from Perth (SA Airlines), Johannesburg to/from Sydney (QANTAS), 
      Sydney to/from Santiago, Chile (QANTAS) and
      Melbourne  to/from Santiago, Chile (LATAM Airlines).
And Shifter knows very well that they do (or his ASI ::) has failed him).
His assigned task, however, is to troll all posts showing evidence his Flatardian Masters, (such as Wise etc) don't like.

Don't take any notice of him though. He just a toothless tiger - all snarl and no fangs.
Just take a look at his silly pretentiousness signature and who else has a silly pretentiousness signature - Wise, of course, Shifter's Master.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 09, 2018, 11:23:36 PM
You're really quite angry rab

All it says is those flights weren't available tomorrow. Perhaps you can buy them now, they take your money and then conveniently before you are due to leave they alter your flight plan. Would not be the first time they screw your itinerary

Why are you making this so personal rab? Take a chill pill and relax old man
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 10, 2018, 12:06:05 AM
You're really quite angry rab
No just amused thst anyone can be as devious as you.

Quote from: Shifter
All it says is those flights weren't available tomorrow.
So what? Ever heard of flights being booked out? But that would be too simple an explanation for the Shifty Eyed Troll.

But don't look only at booking sites. Look at one of the sites that records when flights take off and land.
Flight history for South African Airways flight SA223:
          09 Dec 2018    Sao Paulo (GRU)    Johannesburg (JNB)    A332 (ZS-SXX)    8:03    6:30 PM    6:38 PM    7:10 AM    Landed 6:42 AM
          10 Dec 2018    Sao Paulo (GRU)    Johannesburg (JNB)       333                        —      6:30 PM        —           7:10 AM     Scheduled

Flight history for South African Airways flight SA281:
         09 Dec 2018    Perth (PER)    Johannesburg (JNB)    A346 (ZS-SNE)    10:01   11:45 PM    12:10 AM    4:35 AM    Landed 4:11 AM
         10 Dec 2018    Perth (PER)    Johannesburg (JNB)       346                         —        11:45 PM         —           4:35 AM    Scheduled      
    
You can chase up the rest at Flightradar24 (https://www.flightradar24.com).
Run off and troll someone else.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 10, 2018, 08:32:32 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 10, 2018, 09:06:01 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 10, 2018, 10:00:05 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 10, 2018, 01:06:07 PM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
WRONG!

It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft.  See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it.  Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.

You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 11, 2018, 08:42:09 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
WRONG!

It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft.  See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it.  Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.

You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.

Nope!

Quote
Estimations

When an aircraft is flying out of coverage Flightradar24 keeps estimating the position of the aircraft for up to 2 hours if the destination of the flight is known. For aircraft without known destination, position is estimated for up to 10 minutes. The position is calculated based on many different parameters and in most cases it's quite accurate, but for long flights the position can in worst cases be up to about 100 km (55 miles) off. In settings there is an option to set for how long time you want to see estimated aircraft on map.

https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 08:48:53 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
WRONG!

It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft.  See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it.  Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.

You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.

Nope!

Quote
Estimations

When an aircraft is flying out of coverage Flightradar24 keeps estimating the position of the aircraft for up to 2 hours if the destination of the flight is known. For aircraft without known destination, position is estimated for up to 10 minutes. The position is calculated based on many different parameters and in most cases it's quite accurate, but for long flights the position can in worst cases be up to about 100 km (55 miles) off. In settings there is an option to set for how long time you want to see estimated aircraft on map.

https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
See about ADS-B https://www.flightradar24.com/add-coverage

Your receiver will run Flightradar24's Pi24 client to track flights within 200-400 miles and will automatically share data with Flightradar24. You can track flights directly off your Pi24 device or via Flightradar24.com
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 11, 2018, 08:52:53 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
WRONG!

It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft.  See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it.  Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.

You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.

Nope!

Quote
Estimations

When an aircraft is flying out of coverage Flightradar24 keeps estimating the position of the aircraft for up to 2 hours if the destination of the flight is known. For aircraft without known destination, position is estimated for up to 10 minutes. The position is calculated based on many different parameters and in most cases it's quite accurate, but for long flights the position can in worst cases be up to about 100 km (55 miles) off. In settings there is an option to set for how long time you want to see estimated aircraft on map.

https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
See about ADS-B https://www.flightradar24.com/add-coverage

I see everything there. They clearly say they can "estimate". This is enough.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 08:55:10 AM
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches

When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return

Looked at small print

Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.

As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.

No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist

And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar

A smarty looking.

If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.

Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?

It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
WRONG!

It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft.  See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it.  Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.

You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.

Nope!

Quote
Estimations

When an aircraft is flying out of coverage Flightradar24 keeps estimating the position of the aircraft for up to 2 hours if the destination of the flight is known. For aircraft without known destination, position is estimated for up to 10 minutes. The position is calculated based on many different parameters and in most cases it's quite accurate, but for long flights the position can in worst cases be up to about 100 km (55 miles) off. In settings there is an option to set for how long time you want to see estimated aircraft on map.

https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
See about ADS-B https://www.flightradar24.com/add-coverage

I see everything there. They clearly say they can "estimate". This is enough.
That is when there is no ADS-B receiver coverage.  You should make one to try.

Your receiver will run Flightradar24's Pi24 client to track flights within 200-400 miles and will automatically share data with Flightradar24. You can track flights directly off your Pi24 device or via Flightradar24.com
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 11, 2018, 08:57:16 AM
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 09:00:26 AM
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?
Do you understand that flightradar24 displays data from the network of ADS-B receivers?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 09:56:52 AM
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?

No, they get information from receivers spread around the world.

"Automatic dependent surveillance—broadcast (ADS–B) is a surveillance technology in which an aircraft determines its position via satellite navigation and periodically broadcasts it, enabling it to be tracked. The information can be received by air traffic control ground stations as a replacement for secondary surveillance radar, as no interrogation signal is needed from the ground. It can also be received by other aircraft to provide situational awareness and allow self-separation.

ADS–B is "automatic" in that it requires no pilot or external input. It is "dependent" in that it depends on data from the aircraft's navigation system.[1]"

Here's a global map of receivers. Qantas does not own them:

(https://i.imgur.com/nRdw5xS.png)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 11, 2018, 12:17:46 PM
Qantas is giving the flight datas to flightradar and it publishes it. Case closed.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 12:24:34 PM
Qantas is giving the flight datas to flightradar and it publishes it. Case closed.
Airlines publish the flight data but the real time positions are from aircraft ADS-B transmitters and a network of receivers.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on December 11, 2018, 12:26:57 PM
Qantas is giving the flight datas to flightradar and it publishes it. Case closed.
Airlines publish the flight data but the real time positions are from aircraft ADS-B transmitters and a network of receivers.

Nope. I've showed you the line what website says. They estimate the path. So that they have get the data from aircraft company and publish it simultanously depends on estimated path.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 12:33:52 PM
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?

No, they get information from receivers spread around the world.

"Automatic dependent surveillance—broadcast (ADS–B) is a surveillance technology in which an aircraft determines its position via satellite navigation and periodically broadcasts it, enabling it to be tracked. The information can be received by air traffic control ground stations as a replacement for secondary surveillance radar, as no interrogation signal is needed from the ground. It can also be received by other aircraft to provide situational awareness and allow self-separation.

ADS–B is "automatic" in that it requires no pilot or external input. It is "dependent" in that it depends on data from the aircraft's navigation system.[1]"

Here's a global map of receivers. Qantas does not own them:

(https://i.imgur.com/nRdw5xS.png)

Not a single 'receiver' in Svalbard and only 1 in all of Greenland and only a few for Canada. None for Mongolia, several African countries and conveniently Antarctica and only a handful in Russia. In fact, you have more receivers in in Micronesia then you do in New Zealand. How does it track planes in the middle of the Pacific, Indian and Atlantic oceans? This map is a nonsense if its for tracking. I'd say there is a more nefarious reason for these so called trackers.

All planes must follow a strict flight path. The leave at 'x' time and arrive at 'y' time. Easy to input to FlightRadar24 the planes departure time and its arrival time worked out based on that

Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 01:57:11 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 02:05:06 PM
Qantas is giving the flight datas to flightradar and it publishes it. Case closed.
Airlines publish the flight data but the real time positions are from aircraft ADS-B transmitters and a network of receivers.

Nope. I've showed you the line what website says. They estimate the path. So that they have get the data from aircraft company and publish it simultanously depends on estimated path.
When it is flying out of coverage, no ADS-B reception, they estimate the location.  Why not get a receiver to help understand what an aircraft transmits.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 02:06:21 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 02:08:53 PM
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?

No, they get information from receivers spread around the world.

"Automatic dependent surveillance—broadcast (ADS–B) is a surveillance technology in which an aircraft determines its position via satellite navigation and periodically broadcasts it, enabling it to be tracked. The information can be received by air traffic control ground stations as a replacement for secondary surveillance radar, as no interrogation signal is needed from the ground. It can also be received by other aircraft to provide situational awareness and allow self-separation.

ADS–B is "automatic" in that it requires no pilot or external input. It is "dependent" in that it depends on data from the aircraft's navigation system.[1]"

Here's a global map of receivers. Qantas does not own them:

(https://i.imgur.com/nRdw5xS.png)

Not a single 'receiver' in Svalbard and only 1 in all of Greenland and only a few for Canada. None for Mongolia, several African countries and conveniently Antarctica and only a handful in Russia. In fact, you have more receivers in in Micronesia then you do in New Zealand. How does it track planes in the middle of the Pacific, Indian and Atlantic oceans? This map is a nonsense if its for tracking. I'd say there is a more nefarious reason for these so called trackers.

All planes must follow a strict flight path. The leave at 'x' time and arrive at 'y' time. Easy to input to FlightRadar24 the planes departure time and its arrival time worked out based on that

Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
A new system will use satellites to give near full coverage of aircraft locations.

https://aireon.com/resources/overview-materials/its-just-ads-b/

Happy?!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 02:10:56 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 11, 2018, 02:14:35 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
The planes with a crew and load of passengers leave Australia and arrive in Santiago, Chile, the expected time later with the same crew and load of passengers.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/wmk3q2hfbqz7o15/FlightAware%20-%20Flight%20QFA27%20Sydney%20to%20Santiago.jpg?dl=1)
FlightAware - Flight QFA27 Sydney to Santiago
         
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdrsme5evnljbh9/FlightAware%20-%20Flight%20QFA28%20Santiago%20to%20Sydney%202016-05-11.jpg?dl=1)
FlightAware - Flight QFA28 Santiago to Sydney 2016-05-11

Any theories on how they get there? Star Trek teleportation?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 02:15:50 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Yeah, but why? To further the globe earth conspiracy?
Maybe put your asi to good use and tell the world where that flight went off to. Seems like the least you could do.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 02:18:35 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 02:35:36 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 02:38:56 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.

Again, pilots must follow a strict flight path so its location can easily be worked out at any point by its departure time.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 02:46:59 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.

Again, pilots must follow a strict flight path so its location can easily be worked out at any point by its departure time.
Which varies as directed by air traffic control.  Happy about ADS-B working as stated?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on December 11, 2018, 02:50:16 PM

Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?)
The transponder is designed so the code can be changed so one can broadcast a code given by ATC, or other codes designating hijacking, or radio out, etc. It can be turned off just by pulling a fuse. If it were unable to be turned off then you'd have a device in the cockpit that you could never cut power to if an electrical fault occurs. That is a safety issue.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.

Again, pilots must follow a strict flight path so its location can easily be worked out at any point by its departure time.
Which varies as directed by air traffic control.  Happy about ADS-B working as stated?

Not until I get a logical explanation why there are none in Mongolia, many African countries, Svalbard and Antarctica. Why are there more in Micronesia, than Iceland and Greenland combined? Why so few in Canada etc.

If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 03:01:17 PM
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?

Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 03:05:28 PM
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Transponder switched off.

My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?

Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?

Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?

It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.

Again, pilots must follow a strict flight path so its location can easily be worked out at any point by its departure time.
Which varies as directed by air traffic control.  Happy about ADS-B working as stated?

Not until I get a logical explanation why there are none in Mongolia, many African countries, Svalbard and Antarctica. Why are there more in Micronesia, than Iceland and Greenland combined? Why so few in Canada etc.

If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?
Flightradar24 started as a hobby project in 2006 when two Swedish aviation geeks decided to build a network of ADS-B receivers in Northern and Central Europe. In 2009 we opened up the network, and made it possible for anyone with an ADS-B receiver to upload data to the network. Many parts of the world were quickly covered, but the quest to provide global ADS-B coverage is still ongoing. Hopefully with your support, we will get there.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 03:15:48 PM
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?

Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?

On a globe model at the height of an aeroplane, the horizon is not even 400km away. That means you would need them spaced every 300km or so to get the coverage needed for the plane to be able to communicate with the receiver at typical airplane altitudes. On a Flat model, the horizon is ∞. The fact there is so many receivers in Europe and North America could explain that is where the most heaviest airplane traffic is but spacing them out so sparsely is of no consequence
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 03:19:01 PM
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?

Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?

On a globe model at the height of an aeroplane, the horizon is not even 400km away. That means you would need them spaced every 300km or so to get the coverage needed for the plane to be able to communicate with the receiver at typical airplane altitudes. On a Flat model, the horizon is ∞. The fact there is so many receivers in Europe and North America could explain that is where the most heaviest airplane traffic is but spacing them out so sparsely is of no consequence

So I guess all of these people who are spacing them out, putting them everywhere are idiots. B/c on a flat earth, you would just need one. Maybe on top of Everest.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 11, 2018, 03:26:22 PM
Quote from: Aireon
Global Air Traffic Survellience (https://aireon.com/services/)

At the end of 2018, Aireon will provide the first global air traffic surveillance system using a satellite-based, space-based Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) network that will meet the strict real time ATS surveillance requirements required for air traffic separation services anywhere in the world.

ADS-B is an air traffic surveillance technology that relies on aircraft broadcasting their identity, a precise Global Positioning System (GPS) position and other information derived from on-board systems. The data is broadcast every half a second from the aircraft, and is being used by Air Traffic Controllers (ATCs) to identify and separate aircraft in real-time. Space-based ADS-B extends the same ADS-B technology currently received on ground-based receivers to space.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 03:26:39 PM
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?

Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?

On a globe model at the height of an aeroplane, the horizon is not even 400km away. That means you would need them spaced every 300km or so to get the coverage needed for the plane to be able to communicate with the receiver at typical airplane altitudes. On a Flat model, the horizon is ∞. The fact there is so many receivers in Europe and North America could explain that is where the most heaviest airplane traffic is but spacing them out so sparsely is of no consequence

So I guess all of these people who are spacing them out, putting them everywhere are idiots. B/c on a flat earth, you would just need one. Maybe on top of Everest.

There could be more than 10,000 commercial airplanes flying at any given time. Just the commercial ones. Perhaps one receiver is not reliable for this load. How many planes at any given time are flying over Greenland? Probably only when they need to stage a shot of Antarctica for rab to spam, which doesn't need to happen very often given how much he rehashes old crap.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 03:27:19 PM
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?

Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?

On a globe model at the height of an aeroplane, the horizon is not even 400km away. That means you would need them spaced every 300km or so to get the coverage needed for the plane to be able to communicate with the receiver at typical airplane altitudes. On a Flat model, the horizon is ∞. The fact there is so many receivers in Europe and North America could explain that is where the most heaviest airplane traffic is but spacing them out so sparsely is of no consequence

So I guess all of these people who are spacing them out, putting them everywhere are idiots. B/c on a flat earth, you would just need one. Maybe on top of Everest.
The majority of receivers are people making thier own to connect.  The parts are low cost but need an internet connection.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 03:57:49 PM
There could be more than 10,000 commercial airplanes flying at any given time. Just the commercial ones. Perhaps one receiver is not reliable for this load. How many planes at any given time are flying over Greenland? Probably only when they need to stage a shot of Antarctica for rab to spam, which doesn't need to happen very often given how much he rehashes old crap.

So if it's a capacity issue, put 100 receivers on top of Everest. Why spread them around the world?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on December 11, 2018, 04:03:03 PM
There could be more than 10,000 commercial airplanes flying at any given time. Just the commercial ones. Perhaps one receiver is not reliable for this load. How many planes at any given time are flying over Greenland? Probably only when they need to stage a shot of Antarctica for rab to spam, which doesn't need to happen very often given how much he rehashes old crap.

So if it's a capacity issue, put 100 receivers on top of Everest. Why spread them around the world?
World is not flat and transmitters and receivers have a limited range.  As you know.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 04:14:10 PM
There could be more than 10,000 commercial airplanes flying at any given time. Just the commercial ones. Perhaps one receiver is not reliable for this load. How many planes at any given time are flying over Greenland? Probably only when they need to stage a shot of Antarctica for rab to spam, which doesn't need to happen very often given how much he rehashes old crap.

So if it's a capacity issue, put 100 receivers on top of Everest. Why spread them around the world?
World is not flat and transmitters and receivers have a limited range.  As you know.

World is far different than you can fathom

Also, the globe model is also nonsense. I can pick up on the FM band a radio station 100km away with mountains around. It's shitty reception but it's there. This would mean the transmitter would have to be at least 1km in height for it to have a line of sight to me.

Anyay we digress. This topic is about wises black listing of airline companies. Personally, even if you dont agree with his reasoning, you can at least blacklist Qantas and any other airline that engages in 'bait and switch' or deceptive marketing practices.

Qantas says: "Fly with us! We have never crashed and our airlines have the best service and safety! That's why our price is as high as the sky you fly!"  ;D ;D

[takes money]  8)

Qantas says: "Oh by the way, we may put you on a partner airline for all of your journey. You'll never step foot on our plane. Thanks for the money and enjoy flying with China Eastern!"  ;D ;D

You after checking out the cost of the China Eastern flight:  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 11, 2018, 05:18:46 PM
World is far different than you can fathom
Well, do tell us what shape the earth is.

Quote from: Shifter
Also, the globe model is also nonsense. I can pick up on the FM band a radio station 100km away with mountains around. It's shitty reception but it's there. This would mean the transmitter would have to be at least 1km in height for it to have a line of sight to me.
No, Shifter is nonsense and knows nothing about radio transmission but continues to blow off his mouth as if he's the next Einstein!

And what has that to do with your claim that "the globe model is also nonsense."

Quote from: Shifter
Anyway we digress.
Sure, classic Shifter technique! Derail a thread, then be the goody-goody that brings it back it back on track - well good for you!

Quote from: Shifter
This topic is about wises black listing of airline companies. Personally, even if you dont agree with his reasoning, you can at least blacklist Qantas and any other airline that engages in 'bait and switch' or deceptive marketing practices.
Qantas says: "Fly with us! We have never crashed and our airlines have the best service and safety! That's why our price is as high as the sky you fly!"  ;D ;D

[takes money]  8)

Qantas says: "Oh by the way, we may put you on a partner airline for all of your journey. You'll never step foot on our plane. Thanks for the money and enjoy flying with China Eastern!"  ;D ;D
You after checking out the cost of the China Eastern flight:  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
      South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia or Australia to/from South America are genuine.

But Shifter will keep trying to muddy the waters with his idiocy - simply because that what Shifter loves to do, screw things up.

Bye bye, have fun propping up the Failed Flat Earth Fallacy!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 05:35:01 PM
World is far different than you can fathom
Well, do tell us what shape the earth is.

Quote from: Shifter
Also, the globe model is also nonsense. I can pick up on the FM band a radio station 100km away with mountains around. It's shitty reception but it's there. This would mean the transmitter would have to be at least 1km in height for it to have a line of sight to me.
No, Shifter is nonsense and knows nothing about radio transmission but continues to blow off his mouth as if he's the next Einstein!

And what has that to do with your claim that "the globe model is also nonsense."

Quote from: Shifter
Anyway we digress.
Sure, classic Shifter technique! Derail a thread, then be the goody-goody that brings it back it back on track - well good for you!

Quote from: Shifter
This topic is about wises black listing of airline companies. Personally, even if you dont agree with his reasoning, you can at least blacklist Qantas and any other airline that engages in 'bait and switch' or deceptive marketing practices.
Qantas says: "Fly with us! We have never crashed and our airlines have the best service and safety! That's why our price is as high as the sky you fly!"  ;D ;D

[takes money]  8)

Qantas says: "Oh by the way, we may put you on a partner airline for all of your journey. You'll never step foot on our plane. Thanks for the money and enjoy flying with China Eastern!"  ;D ;D
You after checking out the cost of the China Eastern flight:  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
      South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia or Australia to/from South America are genuine.

But Shifter will keep trying to muddy the waters with his idiocy - simply because that what Shifter loves to do, screw things up.

Bye bye, have fun propping up the Failed Flat Earth Fallacy!

You triggered about something rab? Go take a cold shower
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on December 11, 2018, 09:41:05 PM
<< More Shifterese >>
None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
      South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia or Australia to/from South America are genuine.

But Shifter will keep trying to muddy the waters with his idiocy - simply because that what Shifter loves to do, screw things up.

Bye bye, have fun propping up the Failed Flat Earth Fallacy!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 09:59:34 PM
<< More Shifterese >>
None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
      South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia or Australia to/from South America are genuine.

But Shifter will keep trying to muddy the waters with his idiocy - simply because that what Shifter loves to do, screw things up.

Bye bye, have fun propping up the Failed Flat Earth Fallacy!

Dementia old man? You already said that last part. Scroll up if you dont believe me

Fact - no one here has provided proof of these flight routes existence. Only conjecture. That is not evidence

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
Fact - no one here has provided proof of these flight routes existence. Only conjecture. That is not evidence

Seriously? Way more evidence has been provided that the flights exist and literally zero evidence has been provided that they don't.

I mean there's even a video of a flat earther on the flight, in the cockpit, trying to show some nonsense about "level" flight and gyroscope stuff. Little did he know he was actually showing an RE flight and that it exists.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on December 11, 2018, 10:53:56 PM
Fact - no one here has provided proof of these flight routes existence. Only conjecture. That is not evidence

Seriously? Way more evidence has been provided that the flights exist and literally zero evidence has been provided that they don't.

I mean there's even a video of a flat earther on the flight, in the cockpit, trying to show some nonsense about "level" flight and gyroscope stuff. Little did he know he was actually showing an RE flight and that it exists.



That video doesn't prove he was on 'x' flight route. Also, could be some REtard trying to discredit Flat Earthers by making them look like like a joke

Also, how does some random guy happen to get on the cockpit on a plane and take a video? That isn't even remotely allowed. Yeah sure, you get waken up by a sexy flight attendant and invited to go to the cockpit to talk about flat/round earth flight paths.

You only take this video as a proof because it suits your argument. You would never claim something like this authentic otherwise. It's a joke. It's sad that the round earthers have only this load of crap to point to and say 'SEE! THE FLIGHT IS REAL!'

Next time I'm on a flight, I fully expect the flight attendant to wake me from a sleep, invite me to the cockpit and start recording while I talk to the pilots. Sounds reasonable  8)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on December 11, 2018, 11:59:20 PM
Fact - no one here has provided proof of these flight routes existence. Only conjecture. That is not evidence

Seriously? Way more evidence has been provided that the flights exist and literally zero evidence has been provided that they don't.

I mean there's even a video of a flat earther on the flight, in the cockpit, trying to show some nonsense about "level" flight and gyroscope stuff. Little did he know he was actually showing an RE flight and that it exists.



That video doesn't prove he was on 'x' flight route. Also, could be some REtard trying to discredit Flat Earthers by making them look like like a joke

Also, how does some random guy happen to get on the cockpit on a plane and take a video? That isn't even remotely allowed. Yeah sure, you get waken up by a sexy flight attendant and invited to go to the cockpit to talk about flat/round earth flight paths.

You only take this video as a proof because it suits your argument. You would never claim something like this authentic otherwise. It's a joke. It's sad that the round earthers have only this load of crap to point to and say 'SEE! THE FLIGHT IS REAL!'

Next time I'm on a flight, I fully expect the flight attendant to wake me from a sleep, invite me to the cockpit and start recording while I talk to the pilots. Sounds reasonable  8)

I had the same question as to how that guy got in the cockpit.

But all you have so far is your particular distaste for the airline industry, especially Qantas, as you feel they are over priced and out for profit over safety. I would agree with that though it doesn't seem very profitable to crash very expensive equipment and it's not very good from a brand perspective. But that whole distaste leads you to jump to the conclusion that they go to great lengths to fake flights and doing so to what end, gain, benefit? That's quite a leap in logic.

I don't have a video of someone pointing their iphone out a cabin window for the 12-14 hours duration of the flight. But there are plenty of videos of folks enjoying their high end accommodations on the flight, etc. They're presumably not trying to debunk a flat earth, just hoping to get likes and make their FB and Insta friends jealous.

As well, you're assuming, I guess, that anyone who purchases the flight never takes it. Or, in every instance, all direct flts are "canceled", always, and the customer is put on some insanely long connecting route. Yet they paid for a direct flight/shorter flt. Maybe we should be checking Qantas' yelp reviews for customers duped out of their direct flts.

Then you're pissed that there are more flt tracking receivers in Mongolia than Greenland. Kind of irrelevant. So I guess take up your displeasure with the fine people of Greenland.

And Wise's best reason for the flights to not be real is that no one would ever want to fly from S.America to Australia b/c of the language barrior...Seems reasonable.

At a minimum there is a preponderance of evidence that the flights are real and flown by humans with humans on board. Conversely, there is zero evidence that they are fake.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 12, 2018, 02:02:43 AM
Also, the globe model is also nonsense.
Are you pretending to be a flat earther now, or just on this thread?  Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on December 12, 2018, 03:45:54 AM
How easy it must be to concoct these silly ideas when you can simply label anything you want as fake or a scam!

I mean, did that surgeon REALLY remove that appendix? How do you know for sure? You were anesthetized!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on December 12, 2018, 07:47:47 AM
How easy it must be to concoct these silly ideas when you can simply label anything you want as fake or a scam!
Very, it's just lazy.

Quote
I mean, did that surgeon REALLY remove that appendix? How do you know for sure? You were anesthetized!
Ha! yeah.

Are you sure you are married with kids?  Maybe they are holograms?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: FrenchPhysics on December 23, 2018, 02:56:39 AM
There is some aircraft companies producing the missinformation. They either do it for prove how they are strong. Sometimes they claim a route they never flown. Or sometimes they claim impossible flight times that nobody flight in. this is some kind of unfair competition.

I announce their names. if someone has an objection, they can say it clearly. if we have a mistake we can fix it. It is obviously impossible that while other companies constantly fly in a route in a 3 hours time, some of them claim on same route constantly in 2 hours. And sometimes some aircraft companies claim to fly some routes that they never flew.

some claim that they even get there when they are not recorded in the airport. It's a scam. it gives people the wrong information. and they mislead us when we do maps. if they dispute and if their objection is unjustified, I can sue them "for delaying my work by giving misleading information".

I'm giving the names deceiver companies now. The list of names will be increase by new knowledges:

Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights



23 Dec 2018   Tamworth (TMW)    Sydney (SYD)    DH8C (VH-TQE)    0:51   —    17:02   —    
   Landed 17:54   
 
    23 Dec 2018   Sydney (SYD)    Santiago (SCL)    B744 (VH-OEB)    —   12:50   13:51   11:10   
   Delayed 12:09   
 
    22 Dec 2018   Sydney (SYD)    Santiago (SCL)    B744 (VH-OEF)    11:58   12:50   14:47   11:10   
   Landed 12:46   
 
    21 Dec 2018   Sydney (SYD)    Santiago (SCL)    B744 (VH-OEH)    11:51   12:50   13:51   11:10   
   Landed 11:42   
 
    20 Dec 2018   Tamworth (TMW)    Sydney (SYD)    DH8C (VH-TQZ)    0:57   —    21:17   —    
   Landed 22:14   
 
    20 Dec 2018   Tamworth (TMW)    Sydney (SYD)    DH8C (VH-TQZ)    —   —    17:09   —    
   Diverted to TMW    
 
    19 Dec 2018   Tamworth (TMW)    Sydney (SYD)    DH8C (VH-SBG)    0:58   —    17:00   —    
   Landed 17:58   
 
    19 Dec 2018   Sydney (SYD)    Santiago (SCL)    B744 (VH-OJS)    11:20   12:50   13:50   11:10   
   Landed 11:11   
 
    18 Dec 2018   Tamworth (TMW)    Sydney (SYD)    DH8C (VH-SBW)    1:01   —    17:24   —    
   Landed 18:25   
 
    18 Dec 2018   Sydney (SYD)    Santiago (SCL)    B744 (VH-OJU)    11:48   12:50   13:20   11:10   
   Landed 11:09   
 
    17 Dec 2018   Tamworth (TMW)    Sydney (SYD)    DH8C (VH-SBV)    0:56   —    17:15   —    
   Landed 18:11   
 
    16 Dec 2018   Sydney (SYD)    Santiago (SCL)    B744 (VH-OJS)    12:04   12:50   13:30   11:10   
   Landed 11:35   

Conspiracy!!!!!!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: radioflat on August 21, 2019, 02:05:19 AM
You FE people ... especially so-called 'Wise' - are totally wierd, and have no inkling of how the 'scientific method' operates...
Your idea of constructing a map based on flight times is ...interesting... but you take no notice of factors such as variable winds, substitute aircraft, diversions to avoid weather and the like - as far as I can see, you assume every flight has a constant speed (velocity?) and it's no wonder places are 100s or even 1000s of kilometres in the wrong place.
Also, all evidence must be considered and accounted for in the 'scientific method' - to discard data on an apparent whim (blacklisiting airlines) is not acceptible. You then only consider data which fits your model - rather than modifying your model to fit the data.
You dismiss certain flights but say 'provide evidence for their existence' - and then dismiss personal evidence of people who have actually travelled on those flights ...
All-in-all, you are total frauds!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on August 21, 2019, 08:08:42 AM
You FE people ... especially so-called 'Wise' - are totally wierd, and have no inkling of how the 'scientific method' operates...
Your idea of constructing a map based on flight times is ...interesting... but you take no notice of factors such as variable winds, substitute aircraft, diversions to avoid weather and the like - as far as I can see, you assume every flight has a constant speed (velocity?) and it's no wonder places are 100s or even 1000s of kilometres in the wrong place.
Also, all evidence must be considered and accounted for in the 'scientific method' - to discard data on an apparent whim (blacklisiting airlines) is not acceptible. You then only consider data which fits your model - rather than modifying your model to fit the data.
You dismiss certain flights but say 'provide evidence for their existence' - and then dismiss personal evidence of people who have actually travelled on those flights ...
All-in-all, you are total frauds!

There isn't a video evidence of flights between impossible pathes, Sydney-Chile, Sao Paolo-Johannesburg and Perth-Johannesburg. These three path does not fit with flat earth map and there isn't a video evidence about it. Qantas claims they have transported millions of passengers from Sydney to Chile, but none of those Australians have recorded the flight. It is a fraud, not I am.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Yes on August 21, 2019, 09:11:22 AM
There isn't a video evidence of flights that I will accept because any video that refutes my personal beliefs I will call a fake and demand proof that it's not faked.
FTFY
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: radioflat on August 22, 2019, 06:06:56 AM

There isn't a video evidence of flights between impossible pathes, Sydney-Chile, Sao Paolo-Johannesburg and Perth-Johannesburg. These three path does not fit with flat earth map and there isn't a video evidence about it. Qantas claims they have transported millions of passengers from Sydney to Chile, but none of those Australians have recorded the flight. It is a fraud, not I am.

OK, doob, what about the millions of people who have travelled on these flights ...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on August 22, 2019, 08:27:28 AM

There isn't a video evidence of flights between impossible pathes, Sydney-Chile, Sao Paolo-Johannesburg and Perth-Johannesburg. These three path does not fit with flat earth map and there isn't a video evidence about it. Qantas claims they have transported millions of passengers from Sydney to Chile, but none of those Australians have recorded the flight. It is a fraud, not I am.

OK, sir, what about the millions of people who have travelled on these flights ...

Absent, doob.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Goldie on August 22, 2019, 09:17:36 AM
My friend Francisca has flown from Santiago to Sydney. She said it was a bit boring but didn't mention any problems with the flight not existing, or Quantas being part of a sinister conspiracy. Have you really built this whole delightfully bonkers thread on the assumption that you'd never come across anyone who had flown on these flights Wise?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on August 22, 2019, 11:14:08 AM
She flew Quantas and didn't die?

I call bullcrap!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on August 22, 2019, 12:01:08 PM
My friend Francisca has flown from Santiago to Sydney. She said it was a bit boring but didn't mention any problems with the flight not existing, or Quantas being part of a sinister conspiracy. Have you really built this whole delightfully bonkers thread on the assumption that you'd never come across anyone who had flown on these flights Wise?

You don't even know the half of it. Wise's notion is that Qantas actually allows people to board this flight, take off and then somewhere over the ocean, NASA flight attendants either murder them all and throw the bodies out or perhaps just throw them out, the exact details of the murdering are unknown.

The thread is around here somewhere.

So either Francisca is a very lucky person and somehow escaped the carnage or she is in cahoots with the Qantas/NASA evildoers.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: boydster on August 22, 2019, 02:08:34 PM
The thread is around here somewhere.
Found it: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78934.0
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Joecool on August 22, 2019, 05:21:48 PM
"But some companies claim they run more than 1.000km/h. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue."

They can because their limit is 900 km/h air speed, when there is a jet stream of 300 km/h in their direction, then their ground speed can be 1200 km/h. So that is not a lie.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on August 22, 2019, 11:35:25 PM
My friend Francisca has flown from Santiago to Sydney. She said it was a bit boring but didn't mention any problems with the flight not existing, or Quantas being part of a sinister conspiracy. Have you really built this whole delightfully bonkers thread on the assumption that you'd never come across anyone who had flown on these flights Wise?

Francisca as a source, lol.  ;D
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on August 23, 2019, 12:04:30 AM
My friend Francisca has flown from Santiago to Sydney. She said it was a bit boring but didn't mention any problems with the flight not existing, or Quantas being part of a sinister conspiracy. Have you really built this whole delightfully bonkers thread on the assumption that you'd never come across anyone who had flown on these flights Wise?

Francisca as a source, lol.  ;D

Wise as a source, lol. ;D
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 23, 2019, 12:14:19 AM

Wise as a source, lol. ;D

Source of entertainment
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on August 23, 2019, 06:16:21 AM

Wise as a source, lol. ;D
Source of entertainment
Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Yes on August 23, 2019, 08:20:49 AM
Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.
I dare you to diagram (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_diagram) that sentence structure.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 24, 2019, 04:16:41 AM

Wise as a source, lol. ;D
Source of entertainment
Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.

If he was Chinese:  Super number one fun happy wise.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on August 24, 2019, 04:20:30 AM

Wise as a source, lol. ;D
Source of entertainment
Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.

If he was Chinese:  Super number one fun happy wise.
it's so refreshing to know that we globulards are of some use to Wise ;D!.

<< On reflection, somewhat ::) modified >>
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 24, 2019, 04:31:00 AM

Wise as a source, lol. ;D
Source of entertainment
Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.

If he was Chinese:  Super number one fun happy wise.

Or maybe Won Flung Dung.

I was having fun with him and you are attacking him.
Not the same thing. Don't connect my jokes with your bullshit.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on August 24, 2019, 05:35:40 AM

Wise as a source, lol. ;D
Source of entertainment
Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.

If he was Chinese:  Super number one fun happy wise.

Or maybe Won Flung Dung.

I was having fun with him and you are attacking him.
Not the same thing. Don't connect my jokes with your bullshit.
On further reflecrion I completely changed the tone - is that better?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: radioflat on August 24, 2019, 03:22:46 PM

There isn't a video evidence of flights between impossible pathes, Sydney-Chile, Sao Paolo-Johannesburg and Perth-Johannesburg. These three path does not fit with flat earth map and there isn't a video evidence about it. Qantas claims they have transported millions of passengers from Sydney to Chile, but none of those Australians have recorded the flight. It is a fraud, not I am.

OK, sir, what about the millions of people who have travelled on these flights ...

Absent, doob.

So you refuse to believe in the *evidence* of millions of people who have flown on these (non-existent?!) flights?
You are sad, stupid or a troll, doob ...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on August 24, 2019, 07:14:14 PM

There isn't a video evidence of flights between impossible pathes, Sydney-Chile, Sao Paolo-Johannesburg and Perth-Johannesburg. These three path does not fit with flat earth map and there isn't a video evidence about it. Qantas claims they have transported millions of passengers from Sydney to Chile, but none of those Australians have recorded the flight. It is a fraud, not I am.

OK, sir, what about the millions of people who have travelled on these flights ...

Absent, doob.

So you refuse to believe in the *evidence* of millions of people who have flown on these (non-existent?!) flights?
You are sad, stupid or a troll, doob ...
It's far worse than that, read this post, User Wise's flat earth map is rubbish « Reply #101 on: January 01, 2019, 05:35:13 AM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78907.msg2129994#msg2129994) Here is a bit from it:
Quote from: Wise
Qantas has to kills all passangers go from Australia to Chile because there isn't anybody gone there. You can buy ticket, but you can't arrive.

In this context the whole thread might be worth a look, User Wise's flat earth map is rubbish (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78907.0)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: sokarul on August 24, 2019, 08:24:17 PM
Op is over a year and half old.

Where are the 100,000 funerals for all the people qantas killed?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on August 24, 2019, 09:47:58 PM
Op is over a year and half old.

Where are the 100,000 funerals for all the people qantas killed?
And it goes right back to 2012 when QANTAS first flew the Sydney-Santiago route.
Does the lack of response mean tacit acceptance of the claim in the thread subject?
There is nobody in the earth who is taking breath used/flown this route.
Please present independent evidence for your totally incorrect claim!

I do wish I knew why you think that you have to lie all the time to support the flat earth?
If the earth is really flat there should be plenty of  honest evidence for that and you should have no need for outright lies like this.
But apparently you are not sure that there is real evidence that the earth is flat so you lie like this to pretend it's flat.

Quote
QANTAS CELEBRATES 3 YEARS OF FLYING TO SANTIAGO SYDNEY | PUBLISHED ON 26TH MARCH 2015 AT 8:26 (https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-celebrates-3-years-of-flying-to-santiago/)
Qantas today celebrates the third anniversary of its first service from Sydney to Santiago, with more than 430,000* Qantas passengers travelling on the route since launch.

Initially operating three times per week, Qantas began services from Sydney to Santiago in 2012 and increased to four services per week last year in response to strong passenger demand.

Qantas Executive Manager Global Sales, Stephen Thompson said thousands of customers were taking advantage of Qantas’ vast South American network every year.

“Demand for flights between Australia and Santiago has exceeded our expectations and forward bookings are looking very strong,” said Mr Thompson.
“The strong business market, which makes up around two thirds of our customers, together with the growing family, student and leisure segments makes Santiago a very important hub.
“Qantas offers the fastest non-stop route between Australia and South America, and our recent expansion with oneworld partner LAN enables customers to travel to more destinations in South America, more opportunities to earn frequent flyer points and have their luggage checked through to their final destination.”

*Total passenger numbers include Qantas’ direct service between Santiago and Sydney, and Qantas codeshare passengers travelling on LAN Airlines’ daily services between Sydney and Santiago via Auckland and direct between Auckland and Santiago.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on August 25, 2019, 02:37:59 PM
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy

No body(s), no crime.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 02:46:49 PM
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy

No body(s), no crime.

Perhaps there is a mass grave somewhere at the bottom of the Pacific ocean between Australia and Chile of all the passengers who were jettisoned
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on August 25, 2019, 02:57:49 PM
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy

No body(s), no crime.

Perhaps there is a mass grave somewhere at the bottom of the Pacific ocean between Australia and Chile of all the passengers who were jettisoned

More likely all the passengers were jettisoned in Chile, alive and well.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on August 25, 2019, 05:14:57 PM
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy

No body(s), no crime.

Perhaps there is a mass grave somewhere at the bottom of the Pacific ocean between Australia and Chile of all the passengers who were jettisoned

Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 05:38:51 PM
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy

No body(s), no crime.

Perhaps there is a mass grave somewhere at the bottom of the Pacific ocean between Australia and Chile of all the passengers who were jettisoned

Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.

All the pilot has to do is reduce the oxygen % in the cabin. Everyone will eventually fall unconscious and then die from oxygen deprivation. Very quiet and no one who be aware they are being killed. It literally would be a flick of a switch for them to do. Then yeah, fly to a low altitude so that you can open the cabin door then dispose of the poor souls weighted down so that they don't wash somewhere ashore and that the sea creatures feed on them until there is nothing left.

When you go to your supermarket deli and buy wild caught seafood. Some of that food could be from animals that have fed on fellow humans.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on August 25, 2019, 05:51:35 PM
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy

No body(s), no crime.

Perhaps there is a mass grave somewhere at the bottom of the Pacific ocean between Australia and Chile of all the passengers who were jettisoned

Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.

All the pilot has to do is reduce the oxygen % in the cabin. Everyone will eventually fall unconscious and then die from oxygen deprivation. Very quiet and no one who be aware they are being killed. It literally would be a flick of a switch for them to do. Then yeah, fly to a low altitude so that you can open the cabin door then dispose of the poor souls weighted down so that they don't wash somewhere ashore and that the sea creatures feed on them until there is nothing left.

When you go to your supermarket deli and buy wild caught seafood. Some of that food could be from animals that have fed on fellow humans.

Awesome, so now instead of just having to worry about microplastics and increased mercury levels in my sushi I have to think about the possibility that I'm dining on the nutrients from dead Qantas passengers. Lovely. Thanks Shifter, always a ray of sunshine you are.  ;)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on August 25, 2019, 06:37:52 PM
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy

No body(s), no crime.

Perhaps there is a mass grave somewhere at the bottom of the Pacific ocean between Australia and Chile of all the passengers who were jettisoned

Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.

All the pilot has to do is reduce the oxygen % in the cabin. Everyone will eventually fall unconscious and then die from oxygen deprivation. Very quiet and no one who be aware they are being killed. It literally would be a flick of a switch for them to do. Then yeah, fly to a low altitude so that you can open the cabin door then dispose of the poor souls weighted down so that they don't wash somewhere ashore and that the sea creatures feed on them until there is nothing left.

When you go to your supermarket deli and buy wild caught seafood. Some of that food could be from animals that have fed on fellow humans.

Awesome, so now instead of just having to worry about microplastics and increased mercury levels in my sushi I have to think about the possibility that I'm dining on the nutrients from dead Qantas passengers. Lovely. Thanks Shifter, always a ray of sunshine you are.  ;)

Circle of life!

Soylent Green is Quantas passengers!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on August 25, 2019, 06:39:42 PM
Great! Now that we are all up to speed and on the same page. What are we going to do about it?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on August 25, 2019, 08:56:21 PM
Great! Now that we are all up to speed and on the same page. What are we going to do about it?

I guess nothing. No one seems to be missing the 1000's of Qantas passengers murdered each year. Probably says more about the Qantas clientele rather than the Airline's policies around murder and mayhem. So it's kind of a no harm, no foul situation.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on August 26, 2019, 02:50:44 AM
Great! Now that we are all up to speed and on the same page. What are we going to do about it?

You don't already know?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: radioflat on August 27, 2019, 05:50:24 AM

There isn't a video evidence of flights between impossible pathes, Sydney-Chile, Sao Paolo-Johannesburg and Perth-Johannesburg. These three path does not fit with flat earth map and there isn't a video evidence about it. Qantas claims they have transported millions of passengers from Sydney to Chile, but none of those Australians have recorded the flight. It is a fraud, not I am.

OK, sir, what about the millions of people who have travelled on these flights ...

Absent, doob.

So you refuse to believe in the *evidence* of millions of people who have flown on these (non-existent?!) flights?
You are sad, stupid or a troll, doob ...
It's far worse than that, read this post, User Wise's flat earth map is rubbish « Reply #101 on: January 01, 2019, 05:35:13 AM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78907.msg2129994#msg2129994) Here is a bit from it:
Quote from: Wise
Qantas has to kills all passangers go from Australia to Chile because there isn't anybody gone there. You can buy ticket, but you can't arrive.

In this context the whole thread might be worth a look, User Wise's flat earth map is rubbish (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78907.0)

Thank-you Rab... It looks like Wise has been out in the moonlight a bit too much ...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 15, 2020, 02:19:26 AM
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on January 15, 2020, 05:44:40 AM
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)
Chemtrail operation gone bad?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on January 15, 2020, 06:05:52 AM
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)
Chemtrail operation gone bad?

You could say that. Jet fuel is a chemical and the dump would have left a trail of it as the plane flew through the air. For all intents and purposes, that was a chemtrail. And jet fuel containing carcinogens such as benzene I would say this event affirms wise's assertions of chemtrail operations and causing cancer. I guess the dummy pilot forgot he was too low in the air and the fuel hadn't dissipated enough to keep people oblivious to the exposure
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on January 15, 2020, 12:20:19 PM
Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.
Don't forget the other crucial piece(s), before the execution a top secret cloning facility on a partner plane proceeds to produce clones of every one of them, still unconscious, and copies of their luggage is produced (although only the carry-on on the plane). Then their memories are transferred from the original to the clone.
This way the clones wake up before landing at their destination and don't realise they are clones.

Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency,
So you have now gone through your list and removed all of the flights from them?

Will you do the same for all airlines with a problem?
How bad does it need to be?
Did Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 cause it to get blacklisted?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on January 15, 2020, 01:44:36 PM
Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.
Don't forget the other crucial piece(s), before the execution a top secret cloning facility on a partner plane proceeds to produce clones of every one of them, still unconscious, and copies of their luggage is produced (although only the carry-on on the plane). Then their memories are transferred from the original to the clone.
This way the clones wake up before landing at their destination and don't realise they are clones.

Wow and you say we're crazy ::) What an utter load of preposterous nonsense!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on January 15, 2020, 01:57:40 PM
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)

They had an engine problem and were too heavy to land. Do you propose they should have just crashed?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on January 15, 2020, 06:27:07 PM
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)

They had an engine problem and were too heavy to land. Do you propose they should have just crashed?
If they had just left LAX I would have thought that was very close to the ocean and they might have dumped at least most of it over the ocean.
(https://maps-los-angeles.com/img/0/map-lax-surrounding-area.jpg)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on January 15, 2020, 06:28:47 PM
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)

They had an engine problem and were too heavy to land. Do you propose they should have just crashed?
If they had just left LAX I would have thought that was very close to the ocean and they might have dumped at least most of it over the ocean.
(https://maps-los-angeles.com/img/0/map-lax-surrounding-area.jpg)
Depends on the direction they were headed and how much time they had.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on January 15, 2020, 06:42:16 PM
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)

They had an engine problem and were too heavy to land. Do you propose they should have just crashed?
If they had just left LAX I would have thought that was very close to the ocean and they might have dumped at least most of it over the ocean.
Depends on the direction they were headed and how much time they had.
Agreed. I assumed they were heading east so the offending dump might have been before they could reach the coast.

And there's this "Aviation Expert" who asked the same question:

'There's No Such Rush': Aviation Expert Questions Why Pilot Did Not Dump Fuel Over Ocean

I guess they'll be an inquiry and we'll learn more.

Maybe Mentor Pilot (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mentor+Pilot) will have something to say on YouTube.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on January 15, 2020, 06:44:04 PM
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/.e/interactive/html5-video-media/2020/01/14/20200114_jet_fuel_dump_map_03_desktop.png)

Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.
Don't forget the other crucial piece(s), before the execution a top secret cloning facility on a partner plane proceeds to produce clones of every one of them, still unconscious, and copies of their luggage is produced (although only the carry-on on the plane). Then their memories are transferred from the original to the clone.
This way the clones wake up before landing at their destination and don't realise they are clones.

Wow and you say we're crazy ::) What an utter load of preposterous nonsense!

I would say equally preposterous to claim that Airlines murder all of their passengers on flight routes Wise doesn't approve of.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on January 15, 2020, 06:49:36 PM
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/.e/interactive/html5-video-media/2020/01/14/20200114_jet_fuel_dump_map_03_desktop.png)
That makes sense. If that is the flight path that they were directed to fly that's about all they could do and I can imagine the cockpit being a little too hectic to consider much else that fly the plane.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on January 15, 2020, 06:56:49 PM
According to a CNN article, the FAA is investigating. To paraphrase, the pilot initially said he didn't need to dump fuel. Circled back around (see map) and people are speculating that when the pilot went through the emergency checklist nearing LAX determined they were too heavy and rather than going back around, dumped right before landing.

As well, apparently dumping fuel above 8000' is ok over land as the fuel atomizes in the atmosphere. They were well below that.

As for the 60 kids/adults impacted: They were treated on-sight and showered with soap and water and given gowns to wear by the emergency crew.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on January 16, 2020, 04:14:42 AM

We have many, many more children than necessary but the oceans are dying, I think he made the right call.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on January 16, 2020, 04:25:27 AM

We have many, many more children than necessary but the oceans are dying, I think he made the right call.

1 litre of oil can ruin 1 million litres of water. I imagine jet fuel could have an equally nasty effect. You could be right.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 16, 2020, 09:56:18 PM
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)

They had an engine problem and were too heavy to land. Do you propose they should have just crashed?

You say it like you are a judge of this investigation it that way. this can only be confirmed by a fair and impartial investigation. I am not a judge. I'm not going to accept a lesser evil to avoid a greater evil. it is the responsibility of the pilot to make required maintain the aircraft before flight. Pilot mistakes make the airline responsible inavitable..
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on January 16, 2020, 11:44:38 PM
I am not a judge.
Then why did you decide to blacklist them? That sure sounds like you are being a judge.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on January 16, 2020, 11:56:58 PM
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)

They had an engine problem and were too heavy to land. Do you propose they should have just crashed?

You say it like you are a judge of this investigation it that way. this can only be confirmed by a fair and impartial investigation. I am not a judge. I'm not going to accept a lesser evil to avoid a greater evil. it is the responsibility of the pilot to make required maintain the aircraft before flight. Pilot mistakes make the airline responsible inavitable.
Had that plane crashed on Los Angeles it would have been devastating!

And what right have YOU to act in the judge of these airlines Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Air?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on January 17, 2020, 12:58:46 AM
The murders, man! The murders!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Unconvinced on January 17, 2020, 04:08:22 AM
Ohmygodohmygodohmygod!

What if chemtrails are the passengers?

This is huge!  Huge, I tells you!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on January 17, 2020, 05:39:34 AM
Ohmygodohmygodohmygod!

What if chemtrails are the passengers?

This is huge!  Huge, I tells you!
Your completely wrong.

Ever wondered why YOUR plane never has chem trails, but ALSO always has no-smoking signs.

Its because the planes that allow smokers are the same planes creating the Chemtrails!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on January 17, 2020, 07:25:56 AM
Oh wow! It's all Mad Men up in there for those in the know!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Bullwinkle on January 19, 2020, 12:20:54 AM

If they had just left LAX I would have thought that was very close to the ocean and they might have dumped at least most of it over the ocean.

OMG! This is California. The penalties for polluting the water far outweighs that of dousing kids with jet fuel.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on January 19, 2020, 02:14:33 AM

If they had just left LAX I would have thought that was very close to the ocean and they might have dumped at least most of it over the ocean.

OMG! This is California. The penalties for polluting the water far outweighs that of dousing kids with jet fuel.
Sorry but I live in Queensland where you might land in jail for leaving an 11 year old home alone for a while.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on January 20, 2020, 12:33:14 AM
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I'm not even Muslim and I find that post to be f'ing disgusting and offensive to the highest degree. Every negative connotative word in existence can be applied to the likes of you.  >:(
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Timeisup on January 20, 2020, 12:38:10 AM
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I'm not even Muslim and I find that post to be f'ing disgusting and offensive to the highest degree. Every negative connotative word in existence can be applied to the likes of you.  >:(

I think the new one he had ripped has made him rather tetchy. What ever you do don’t mention the ‘I’ word.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 20, 2020, 12:43:39 AM
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I'm not even Muslim and I find that post to be f'ing disgusting and offensive to the highest degree. Every negative connotative word in existence can be applied to the likes of you.  >:(

I think the new one he had ripped has made him rather tetchy. What ever you do don’t mention the ‘I’ word.

There is a racist islamophobic speech and do you expect "I" or "we" ignore it? Which is the crime, doing a crime or critising it? Becomes trendy or not, this should be stopped.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on January 20, 2020, 02:51:32 AM
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I'm not even Muslim and I find that post to be f'ing disgusting and offensive to the highest degree. Every negative connotative word in existence can be applied to the likes of you.  >:(
I have to agree. That was bad.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on January 20, 2020, 03:19:51 AM
racist hate speech islamophobia is reported. You could done your suggestion without use any hate speech to islam. God and all of his creatures damn you.
Islamaphobia isn't racism as Islam is not a race.
You are free to remain a member of that terrorist cult, and you are free to leave it, at least in places where they won't kill you for leaving it like a bunch of terrorists.
And I don't really care about "hate speech" to Islam. I group it with "hate speech" towards Nazi's.
Islam deserves no respect.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on January 20, 2020, 03:26:32 AM
While I have my issues with (political) Islam, I am hesitant to use blanket terms to describe all the practitioners. And ’tis not really FE/RE, the topic.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on January 20, 2020, 03:53:09 AM
racist hate speech islamophobia is reported. You could done your suggestion without use any hate speech to islam. God and all of his creatures damn you.
Islamaphobia isn't racism as Islam is not a race.
No, but  'Curiouser and Curiouser's statement was just straight up racist.  It wasn't attacking Islam, but calling a group of people "camel fuckers" and "mentally retarted pig-whores".  Can't get much more racist than that.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 20, 2020, 04:02:28 AM
I told its being both racist and islamophobic. Both were exist.

His swearing to prophet is islamofobia, and swearing a bunch of people seemingly adressing Iranians was racist.

Who supports him, he is the son of Hitler. I'll add their names and posts in believer subforum soon, if they continue ethis support NAZI and islamofobic behaves. Then whole world will learn who they are NASA sympatisers actually.

I am still waiting with a great patient for admins and mods to take action about that Hitler.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on January 20, 2020, 04:19:40 AM
I told its being both racist and islamophobic. Both were exist.

His swearing to prophet is islamofobia, and swearing a bunch of people seemingly adressing Iranians was racist.
Well, I can curse Christ all I want, and the same goes for you. I don't consider any fictional or historical prophets and/or religious figures untouchable. But all in all what Curious wrote was pretty vile. And more than unnecessary.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 20, 2020, 04:29:48 AM
I told its being both racist and islamophobic. Both were exist.

His swearing to prophet is islamofobia, and swearing a bunch of people seemingly adressing Iranians was racist.
Well, I can curse Christ all I want, and the same goes for you. I don't consider any fictional or historical prophets and/or religious figures untouchable. But all in all what Curious wrote was pretty vile. And more than unnecessary.
Humiliating a historical personality is different than humiliating a group of people because they believe in someone. I hope you can understand the difference.

For the crusades, the pope is said to want it. however, westerners don't know why. the reason for this is in our sources. The poetry of the Islamic poet Ghaznian mahmut that a poem humiliated  Jesus reached the pope is the real reason. however, this information is not shared in the public of west so that this rationale does not cause larger problems in the future. But we know it exactly.

I mean, such behaves even cause wars. For example, there are many thoughts about Jesus, but none of them come to the stage of humiliation. not because they don't think so, because people respect each other. and Muslims have experienced this painfully before. however, westerners are not sensitive in this regard as far as muslims are.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on January 20, 2020, 04:32:36 AM
I told its being both racist and islamophobic. Both were exist.

His swearing to prophet is islamofobia, and swearing a bunch of people seemingly adressing Iranians was racist.
Well, I can curse Christ all I want, and the same goes for you. I don't consider any fictional or historical prophets and/or religious figures untouchable. But all in all what Curious wrote was pretty vile. And more than unnecessary.
Humiliating a historical personality is different than humiliating a group of people because they believe in someone. I hope you can understand the difference.

For the crusades, the pope is said to want it. however, westerners don't know why. the reason for this is in our sources. The poetry of the Islamic poet Ghazmeli mahmut that a poem humiliated  Jesus reached the pope is the real reason. however, this information is not shared in the public of west so that this rationale does not cause larger problems in the future. But we know it exactly.

I mean, such behaves even cause wars.
Like I tried to say, I do think people should have the freedom to bash figureheads no matter the position, but bunching every single member of a creed or religion or nation together as one entity is not cool.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 20, 2020, 04:41:32 AM
I told its being both racist and islamophobic. Both were exist.

His swearing to prophet is islamofobia, and swearing a bunch of people seemingly adressing Iranians was racist.
Well, I can curse Christ all I want, and the same goes for you. I don't consider any fictional or historical prophets and/or religious figures untouchable. But all in all what Curious wrote was pretty vile. And more than unnecessary.
Humiliating a historical personality is different than humiliating a group of people because they believe in someone. I hope you can understand the difference.

For the crusades, the pope is said to want it. however, westerners don't know why. the reason for this is in our sources. The poetry of the Islamic poet Ghazmeli mahmut that a poem humiliated  Jesus reached the pope is the real reason. however, this information is not shared in the public of west so that this rationale does not cause larger problems in the future. But we know it exactly.

I mean, such behaves even cause wars.
Like I tried to say, I do think people should have the freedom to bash figureheads no matter the position, but bunching every single member of a creed or religion or nation together as one entity is not cool.
There can be two types of behave. One of them is humiliating a historical figure that many people like and respect him. this is ugly behavior can provoke many people. But humiliating a people because they believe somebody is a direct agressive behave and is a direct crime. in this example, the criminal accused them of having perverted belief by directly targeting a group. this is a direct attack. The crime committed in our example is not an incitement, but a direct attack. this is both racist and islamophobic. it cannot just be pass it by defining as ugly behavior or a behaviour not cool. It is a direct agressive racist and islamofobic attack. The next stage of this is mass murder. such people need to be treated. but unfortunately they are poisoning those who may be affected by writing in such environments.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: radioflat on January 20, 2020, 05:12:56 AM
Quote
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.

You are an uneducated fool of a troll!
You claim 'winds have no effect on an aircraft'...
Well - how do they fly? In what medium?
AIR - and a wind is simply a movement of a mass of air.

Well, how stupid can you get...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 20, 2020, 07:24:25 AM
Quote
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.

You are an uneducated fool of a troll!
You claim 'winds have no effect on an aircraft'...
Well - how do they fly? In what medium?
AIR - and a wind is simply a movement of a mass of air.

Well, how stupid can you get...

No I am not. Your post has been reported as insult. You are doing it in the aim of save the son of Hitler. You are either alt of the racist attacker or alt of anybody else has  a problem with me. Winds are not the recent issue we are discussing. You are using another issue here proves I am not the troll but you are something I will not use this word for you. You may be mentioned in believer forum because of how globalist gang can be agressive.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on January 20, 2020, 07:26:03 AM
Quote
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.

Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.

Anyway.

You are one of the lawyer  of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.

You are an uneducated fool of a troll!
You claim 'winds have no effect on an aircraft'...
Well - how do they fly? In what medium?
AIR - and a wind is simply a movement of a mass of air.

Well, how stupid can you get...

No I am not. Your post has been reported as insult. You are doing it in the aim of save the son of Hitler. You are either alt of the racist attacker or anybpdy else has  a problem with me. Winds are not the recent issue we are discussing. You are using another issue here proves I am not the troll but I will not use this word for you.

Calling someone a son of Hitler is just as much an insult as calling someone stupid.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 20, 2020, 07:50:46 AM
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I'm not even Muslim and I find that post to be f'ing disgusting and offensive to the highest degree. Every negative connotative word in existence can be applied to the likes of you.  >:(

I think the new one he had ripped has made him rather tetchy. What ever you do don’t mention the ‘I’ word.

There is a racist islamophobic speech and do you expect "I" or "we" ignore it? Which is the crime, doing a crime or critising it? Becomes trendy or not, this should be stopped.

I split the posts out and moved them to quarantine.  I will deal with the punishment now.

Thanks for editing out the shit post, Shifter.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 20, 2020, 08:34:12 AM
Seems fair. Thanks for your sensitivity.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on January 20, 2020, 11:49:23 AM
No, but  'Curiouser and Curiouser's statement was just straight up racist.  It wasn't attacking Islam, but calling a group of people "camel fuckers" and "mentally retarted pig-whores".  Can't get much more racist than that.
Sure it can, by calling a race of people that.

But I think it was more just using wise's tactics against him, with how he has said such vile things about people here in the past, just because they refuted him.

His swearing to prophet is islamofobia
Which is why there is nothing wrong with Islamophobia in general.
The criminal you call a prophet deserves no respect.

Just because you love him and worship him doesn't mean everyone else has to.

Who supports him, he is the son of Hitler.
Why?
I more often see Muslims praising Hitler than attacking him.
Probably something to do with so many of them hating Jews so much.

Islam is abhorrent, just like Nazism.
So why assume that people who are Islamophobic are Nazis?
Doesn't it make more sense that they are decent people that abhor such abhorrent beliefs?

Also, why complain about such "attacks" against a group, when you attack so many, insulting all REers as a group? (and other groups as well like Nazis).
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on January 20, 2020, 12:26:33 PM
JackBlack you have just demonstrated your utter ignorance about billions of people across the world.

Way to demonstrate your racist bogan red neck beliefs ::)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on January 20, 2020, 12:33:56 PM
JackBlack you have just demonstrated your utter ignorance about billions of people across the world.

Way to demonstrate your racist bogan red neck beliefs ::)
How?
Again, Islam isn't a race.
How is it racist in any way?

Again, they are free to choose to follow Islam or reject it.

Do you feel the same way about people not praising Nazis?
How about those saying ISIS are a bunch of terrorists.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on January 20, 2020, 12:44:18 PM
JackBlack you have just demonstrated your utter ignorance about billions of people across the world.

Way to demonstrate your racist bogan red neck beliefs ::)
How?
Again, Islam isn't a race.
How is it racist in any way?

Again, they are free to choose to follow Islam or reject it.

Do you feel the same way about people not praising Nazis?

Nazism didn't have billions of followers. And I've yet to know of one person who spouts ignorant BS on an entire religion and not harbour racist ideology. Certainly you have that bigoted 'I'm better than you' attitude on these forums.

There are countries which are 100% Muslim for example and you just called the lot of them, men, women and children abhorrent.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on January 20, 2020, 12:51:05 PM
Certainly you have that bigoted 'I'm better than you' attitude on these forums.
As do you!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 20, 2020, 12:56:31 PM
JackBlack, if you wish to discuss the difference between racism and islamophobia start a thread in Philosophy, Religion, and Society.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Unconvinced on January 20, 2020, 04:26:07 PM
Blimey, Jack!  Really?

Always weird when someone you  agree with on many things drops a bombshell like that.

I’ll not say anymore here.  Just a little shocked.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 31, 2020, 05:54:37 AM
American Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January. They claim staff made comments about their Orthodox Jewish faith. American Airlines said the decision to remove the family was not based on religion. They claim customers complained about Mr Adler's odour. The lawsuit, filed in Texas, cites defamation, emotional distress and discrimination relating to religion.

We are not a court and has not to wait till lawsuit ends. They have been blacklisted because of "claim of racism". Whether they are so, or not. But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so, I have not to be objective, I can not be objective, because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me, and as a last, we are always with the victims.

I don't know what their intentions are. we are not a court. but we are not obliged to act objectively. we are with that family even just because they are victims. Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84695.msg2232902#msg2232902

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51324481

PS: We can only remove them if they apologize.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on January 31, 2020, 07:51:45 AM
American Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January. They claim staff made comments about their Orthodox Jewish faith. American Airlines said the decision to remove the family was not based on religion. They claim customers complained about Mr Adler's odour. The lawsuit, filed in Texas, cites defamation, emotional distress and discrimination relating to religion.

We are not a court and has not to wait till lawsuit ends. They have been blacklisted because of "claim of racism". Whether they are so, or not. But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so, I have not to be objective, I can not be objective, because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me, and as a last, we are always with the victims.

I don't know what their intentions are. we are not a court. but we are not obliged to act objectively. we are with that family even just because they are victims. Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84695.msg2232902#msg2232902

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51324481

PS: We can only remove them if they apologize.

So you never heard of the phrase innocent until proven guilty? Thus you trust every person that file a claim against an airline whatever the reason is that a person is either rejected boarding or removing from the aircraft. Pretty biased in my opinion.If you continue this you don't have any airline left that can be 'trusted' to fly with. Good job Wise!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 31, 2020, 08:30:42 AM
American Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January. They claim staff made comments about their Orthodox Jewish faith. American Airlines said the decision to remove the family was not based on religion. They claim customers complained about Mr Adler's odour. The lawsuit, filed in Texas, cites defamation, emotional distress and discrimination relating to religion.

We are not a court and has not to wait till lawsuit ends. They have been blacklisted because of "claim of racism". Whether they are so, or not. But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so, I have not to be objective, I can not be objective, because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me, and as a last, we are always with the victims.

I don't know what their intentions are. we are not a court. but we are not obliged to act objectively. we are with that family even just because they are victims. Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84695.msg2232902#msg2232902

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51324481

PS: We can only remove them if they apologize.

So you never heard of the phrase innocent until proven guilty? Thus you trust every person that file a claim against an airline whatever the reason is that a person is either rejected boarding or removing from the aircraft. Pretty biased in my opinion.If you continue this you don't have any airline left that can be 'trusted' to fly with. Good job Wise!

I have agreed them guilty as a preacceptance as a precaution. If they can prove they are innocent, or they apologize sure I can delete them. So much so that, the story of family seems more convincing to me and there is a possiblity Airline company can pressure both family and court and lead it to decide they are innocent. The only point I can agree, they have to either prove their innocence or an apologize.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on January 31, 2020, 09:08:06 AM
American Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January. They claim staff made comments about their Orthodox Jewish faith. American Airlines said the decision to remove the family was not based on religion. They claim customers complained about Mr Adler's odour. The lawsuit, filed in Texas, cites defamation, emotional distress and discrimination relating to religion.

We are not a court and has not to wait till lawsuit ends. They have been blacklisted because of "claim of racism". Whether they are so, or not. But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so, I have not to be objective, I can not be objective, because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me, and as a last, we are always with the victims.

I don't know what their intentions are. we are not a court. but we are not obliged to act objectively. we are with that family even just because they are victims. Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84695.msg2232902#msg2232902

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51324481

PS: We can only remove them if they apologize.

So you never heard of the phrase innocent until proven guilty? Thus you trust every person that file a claim against an airline whatever the reason is that a person is either rejected boarding or removing from the aircraft. Pretty biased in my opinion.If you continue this you don't have any airline left that can be 'trusted' to fly with. Good job Wise!

Wise is from Turkey and a flat earther.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on January 31, 2020, 10:06:24 AM
American Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January. They claim staff made comments about their Orthodox Jewish faith. American Airlines said the decision to remove the family was not based on religion. They claim customers complained about Mr Adler's odour. The lawsuit, filed in Texas, cites defamation, emotional distress and discrimination relating to religion.

We are not a court and has not to wait till lawsuit ends. They have been blacklisted because of "claim of racism". Whether they are so, or not. But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so, I have not to be objective, I can not be objective, because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me, and as a last, we are always with the victims.

I don't know what their intentions are. we are not a court. but we are not obliged to act objectively. we are with that family even just because they are victims. Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84695.msg2232902#msg2232902

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51324481

PS: We can only remove them if they apologize.

So you never heard of the phrase innocent until proven guilty? Thus you trust every person that file a claim against an airline whatever the reason is that a person is either rejected boarding or removing from the aircraft. Pretty biased in my opinion.If you continue this you don't have any airline left that can be 'trusted' to fly with. Good job Wise!

Wise is from Turkey and a flat earther.

Flat Earth SCIENTIST!

also, professor, and noble Social Justice Warrior!   O0
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Yes on January 31, 2020, 10:35:40 AM
How is wise an SJW?  I knew he was crazy but I didn't think it was that bad.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 31, 2020, 11:17:35 AM
Being a SJW is not a bad thing but I am not. At least, I dont think so.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on January 31, 2020, 11:27:00 AM
While I despise racism in all forms, the phenomena of "guilt by accusation" is equally despicable.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on January 31, 2020, 12:39:50 PM
While I despise racism in all forms, the phenomena of "guilt by accusation" is equally despicable.
this is proof that it supports racism. racism has nothing to do with this issue. You have been marked as a racist. for your information.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on January 31, 2020, 12:47:21 PM
American Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January. They claim staff made comments about their Orthodox Jewish faith. American Airlines said the decision to remove the family was not based on religion. They claim customers complained about Mr Adler's odour. The lawsuit, filed in Texas, cites defamation, emotional distress and discrimination relating to religion.

We are not a court and has not to wait till lawsuit ends. They have been blacklisted because of "claim of racism". Whether they are so, or not. But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so, I have not to be objective, I can not be objective, because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me, and as a last, we are always with the victims.

I don't know what their intentions are. we are not a court. but we are not obliged to act objectively. we are with that family even just because they are victims. Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84695.msg2232902#msg2232902

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51324481

PS: We can only remove them if they apologize.

So you never heard of the phrase innocent until proven guilty? Thus you trust every person that file a claim against an airline whatever the reason is that a person is either rejected boarding or removing from the aircraft. Pretty biased in my opinion.If you continue this you don't have any airline left that can be 'trusted' to fly with. Good job Wise!
It's simpler than that. There is a massive amount of evidence against the very possibility of a flat-Earth 
Hence flat-Earthers are forced to declare that all evidence against the flat-Earth that is not personally verified must be fabricated.

They even state this quite explicitly in this way.
Quote from: The Flat Earth Society Wiki
Place of the Conspiracy in FET (http://theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Place+of+the+Conspiracy+in+FET)
. . . . . . . . Flat Earthers start with the knowledge that the earth is flat, as they believe that all the evidence which they are personally able to collect and verify confirms this fact. As a consequence, all the evidence to the contrary, much of which they are unable to personally test/verify is viewed as being false. The existence of such a huge quantity of false information indicates the existence of the conspiracy.

Essentially the reasoning boils down to -

P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth
P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET
C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET is fabricated evidence
P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it
P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)
C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.

Note carefully the assumptions involved: "Flat Earthers starts with the knowledge that the earth is flat. . . . . .  As a consequence, all the evidence to the contrary, much of which they are unable to personally test/verify is viewed as being false."

Wise is a flat-Earther and as such automatically claim that any evidence that they consider contrary to the flat-Earth is fabricated.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on January 31, 2020, 12:52:43 PM
But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so
So yet again you decide to be judge.

I have not to be objective, I can not be objective
Yes, it is quite obvious that you can't be objective. But if you want people to take your blacklisting seriously, you need to be objective.

because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me
i.e. you're a racist.


Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?
Yes, such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century. Your racism has made you conclude these people are guilty without any evidence.
In the civilised world people are presumed to be innocent until their guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

But again, does that mean you have gone through your list of flights to remove all the ones from them?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: dukovit on February 02, 2020, 11:49:20 AM
You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them.  ;D

I'm not Russian, but some flights be Russian faster than others.

All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.

You said the companies constantly claim it, but no-one has ever complained. If an aircraft company lied to you about the length of your flight, wouldn't you complain? I certainly would. Especially if they did it constantly.

Russians are generally drunk. So that Ruskies runs as how they are drunked and runs about 50% more than requered. Then people think that Russia is bigger. No, Russia is smaller than China, but Ruskies are not driving without drink a votka. Anyway I'm turning to my work. Thanks for your comment but means nothing for me.
;D ;D ;D  No no no, bro! May be some russians are generally drunk, but they can`t driving along 3 years in case road police control. Airplane speed consist from two parts: speed relative to air flow (and this speed is really less then sonic speed. about 900km/h) and speed of airfllow relative to Earth. As well known exists airflows with extreamly high speed, called "jetstreams" (up to 300km/h). So ground speed of airplane may have range from 600 up to 1200km/h in case A-320 for example.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 02, 2020, 10:32:33 PM
You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them.  ;D

I'm not Russian, but some flights be Russian faster than others.

All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.

You said the companies constantly claim it, but no-one has ever complained. If an aircraft company lied to you about the length of your flight, wouldn't you complain? I certainly would. Especially if they did it constantly.

Russians are generally drunk. So that Ruskies runs as how they are drunked and runs about 50% more than requered. Then people think that Russia is bigger. No, Russia is smaller than China, but Ruskies are not driving without drink a votka. Anyway I'm turning to my work. Thanks for your comment but means nothing for me.
;D ;D ;D  No no no, bro! May be some russians are generally drunk, but they can`t driving along 3 years in case road police control. Airplane speed consist from two parts: speed relative to air flow (and this speed is really less then sonic speed. about 900km/h) and speed of airfllow relative to Earth. As well known exists airflows with extreamly high speed, called "jetstreams" (up to 300km/h). So ground speed of airplane may have range from 600 up to 1200km/h in case A-320 for example.
Hi mre. "jetstreams"  are not proven. They are urban legend created for correct map mistakes like magnetic deviation.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 03, 2020, 02:40:38 AM
You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them.  ;D

I'm not Russian, but some flights be Russian faster than others.

All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.

You said the companies constantly claim it, but no-one has ever complained. If an aircraft company lied to you about the length of your flight, wouldn't you complain? I certainly would. Especially if they did it constantly.

Russians are generally drunk. So that Ruskies runs as how they are drunked and runs about 50% more than requered. Then people think that Russia is bigger. No, Russia is smaller than China, but Ruskies are not driving without drink a votka. Anyway I'm turning to my work. Thanks for your comment but means nothing for me.
;D ;D ;D  No no no, bro! May be some russians are generally drunk, but they can`t driving along 3 years in case road police control. Airplane speed consist from two parts: speed relative to air flow (and this speed is really less then sonic speed. about 900km/h) and speed of airfllow relative to Earth. As well known exists airflows with extreamly high speed, called "jetstreams" (up to 300km/h). So ground speed of airplane may have range from 600 up to 1200km/h in case A-320 for example.
Hi mre. "jetstreams"  are not proven. They are urban legend created for correct map mistakes like magnetic deviation.

And your proof that the 'jetstreams' are not proven is based on what? And the jetstreams are not caused by any magnetic deviation!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 03, 2020, 03:07:51 AM
Hi mre. "jetstreams" are not proven. They are urban legend created for correct map mistakes like magnetic deviation.
You just say "jetstreams are not proven" but words without evidence are not enough.
Jetstreams are very important to high altitude aircraft and are the main reason for eastbound flights taking less time than westbound flights.

Read this about jetstreams: National Geographic: Jet Stream (https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/jet-stream/)
Why would the National Geographic try to deceive anybody on something like that.
But if you disagree, please post evidence as to why the  "jetstreams" are not proven!

Then again you say "They are urban legend created for correct map mistakes like magnetic deviation.[/quote]"

The "magnetic deviation" is no "urban legend", though the correct name is magnetic declination.

Map makers have known about magnetic declination for 1000s of years.

Read this on magnetic declination:
Quote
Magnetic declination (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_declination)
Magnetic declination, or magnetic variation, is the angle on the horizontal plane between magnetic north (the direction the north end of a magnetized compass needle points, corresponding to the direction of the Earth's magnetic field lines) and true north (the direction along a meridian towards the geographic North Pole). This angle varies depending on position on the Earth's surface and changes over time.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
By convention, declination is positive when magnetic north is east of true north, and negative when it is to the west. Isogonic lines are lines on the Earth's surface along which the declination has the same constant value, and lines along which the declination is zero are called agonic lines. The lowercase Greek letter δ (delta) is frequently used as the symbol for magnetic declination.

The term magnetic deviation is sometimes used loosely to mean the same as magnetic declination, but more correctly it refers to the error in a compass reading induced by nearby metallic objects, such as iron on board a ship or aircraft.

Magnetic declination should not be confused with magnetic inclination, also known as magnetic dip, which is the angle that the Earth's magnetic field lines make with the downward side of the horizontal plane.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/World_Magnetic_Declination_2015.pdf/page1-1024px-World_Magnetic_Declination_2015.pdf.jpg)
Level curves drawn on a declination map to denote the magnetic declination, described by signed degrees. Each level curve is an isogonic line.


Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on February 05, 2020, 11:07:19 AM
Is Pegasus Airlines on your list yet?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on February 05, 2020, 11:23:07 AM
Is Pegasus Airlines on your list yet?
Is that the airline that the plane fell apart upon landing in Turkey?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on February 05, 2020, 05:25:35 PM
Is Pegasus Airlines on your list yet?
Is that the airline that the plane fell apart upon landing in Turkey?

Yep

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 05, 2020, 10:34:00 PM
Is Pegasus Airlines on your list yet?
I am following the issue in respect of caused by whether aircraft fault, pilotage mistake, or tower mistake. if there is a company or pilot error, I will do this. But the indicators up to now reveal that some wind control devices at Sabiha Gökçen airport are missing. Maybe it's not the first time a company, but I can add the airport to the list. I am waiting for the result of the investigation. this is my country, everything must be legal as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 06, 2020, 01:09:28 AM
Why don't you black-list every airline company and search then for the liability, trust and all sort of things that are your 'requirements'. Think that you will end with 2 or none airline companies that you trust completely.

In my opinion you will black list every airline company that is either accused for discrimination, false information and what not based on the stories that you hear without waiting for a fully investigation.

You will wait to put the Pegasus Airline to the blacklist, but put the American Airlines immediately to your 'black list' without waiting for the investigation results. Little, or better, enormous biased opinion.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 06, 2020, 01:43:04 AM
I am following the issue in respect of caused by whether aircraft fault, pilotage mistake, or tower mistake. if there is a company or pilot error, I will do this. But the indicators up to now reveal that some wind control devices at Sabiha Gökçen airport are missing. Maybe it's not the first time a company, but I can add the airport to the list. I am waiting for the result of the investigation. this is my country, everything must be legal as soon as possible.
I suggest that you leave the investigation to the expert air crash investigators.

I have no idea of the cause of the bad landing but I suspect that the plane should not have broken into 3 pieces like that.

Check if the plane was a Boeing 737 built in the early 2000s. There were a batch of 737s released with poor riveting between 3 sections of the fuselage.

There have been three (I think) other similar "heavy landings" where the 737s broke apart in the same places.
Boeing knows about and just warned the airlines to inspect the riveted joints carefully but who knows . . . . . ?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2020, 02:41:52 AM
Why don't you black-list every airline company and search then for the liability, trust and all sort of things that are your 'requirements'. Think that you will end with 2 or none airline companies that you trust completely.
In my opinion you will black list every airline company that is either accused for discrimination, false information and what not based on the stories that you hear without waiting for a fully investigation.
You will wait to put the Pegasus Airline to the blacklist, but put the American Airlines immediately to your 'black list' without waiting for the investigation results. Little, or better, enormous biased opinion.
Public reaction is important in comparing these two airlines. it was shared in the american public that this was a racist behavior which American Airlines did. Of course, if this situation changes at the end of the case of court, I will remove them from the list and I have already stated this.

Contrary, the general view on pegasus is dominated by the view that this is due to a technical problem at the airport. I did not add them, but there are case investigations there too. If the pegasus will be found guilty as a result of the investigation, you can be sure that I will not hesitate to add them.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 06, 2020, 03:58:19 AM
Why don't you black-list every airline company and search then for the liability, trust and all sort of things that are your 'requirements'. Think that you will end with 2 or none airline companies that you trust completely.
In my opinion you will black list every airline company that is either accused for discrimination, false information and what not based on the stories that you hear without waiting for a fully investigation.
You will wait to put the Pegasus Airline to the blacklist, but put the American Airlines immediately to your 'black list' without waiting for the investigation results. Little, or better, enormous biased opinion.
Public reaction is important in comparing these two airlines. it was shared in the american public that this was a racist behavior which American Airlines did. Of course, if this situation changes at the end of the case of court, I will remove them from the list and I have already stated this.

Contrary, the general view on pegasus is dominated by the view that this is due to a technical problem at the airport. I did not add them, but there are case investigations there too. If the pegasus will be found guilty as a result of the investigation, you can be sure that I will not hesitate to add them.

So you put a public opinion above the result of an investigation about the American Airlines issue. Strange, because nowadays almost everyone is saying 'discrimination' first before hearing, questioning why they are refused. And this doesn't apply only to airline companies, but also to other companies and organizations as well.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2020, 04:13:22 AM
Why don't you black-list every airline company and search then for the liability, trust and all sort of things that are your 'requirements'. Think that you will end with 2 or none airline companies that you trust completely.
In my opinion you will black list every airline company that is either accused for discrimination, false information and what not based on the stories that you hear without waiting for a fully investigation.
You will wait to put the Pegasus Airline to the blacklist, but put the American Airlines immediately to your 'black list' without waiting for the investigation results. Little, or better, enormous biased opinion.
Public reaction is important in comparing these two airlines. it was shared in the american public that this was a racist behavior which American Airlines did. Of course, if this situation changes at the end of the case of court, I will remove them from the list and I have already stated this.

Contrary, the general view on pegasus is dominated by the view that this is due to a technical problem at the airport. I did not add them, but there are case investigations there too. If the pegasus will be found guilty as a result of the investigation, you can be sure that I will not hesitate to add them.

So you put a public opinion above the result of an investigation about the American Airlines issue. Strange, because nowadays almost everyone is saying 'discrimination' first before hearing, questioning why they are refused. And this doesn't apply only to airline companies, but also to other companies and organizations as well.

people are sensitive to discrimination. Frankly, I was subjective in this regard because of my sensitivity to discrimination. perhaps people are gaining something with their sensitivity to discrimination. like to prevent this happening on their own later. like this.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 06, 2020, 04:48:09 AM
If you were indeed subjective then you have had wait what the outcome is from the investigation, and not put American Airlines directly on the black list.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2020, 04:55:04 AM
If you were indeed subjective then you have had wait what the outcome is from the investigation, and not put American Airlines directly on the black list.
I told subjective, not objective.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Unconvinced on February 06, 2020, 04:55:49 AM
Why don't you black-list every airline company and search then for the liability, trust and all sort of things that are your 'requirements'. Think that you will end with 2 or none airline companies that you trust completely.
In my opinion you will black list every airline company that is either accused for discrimination, false information and what not based on the stories that you hear without waiting for a fully investigation.
You will wait to put the Pegasus Airline to the blacklist, but put the American Airlines immediately to your 'black list' without waiting for the investigation results. Little, or better, enormous biased opinion.
Public reaction is important in comparing these two airlines. it was shared in the american public that this was a racist behavior which American Airlines did. Of course, if this situation changes at the end of the case of court, I will remove them from the list and I have already stated this.

Contrary, the general view on pegasus is dominated by the view that this is due to a technical problem at the airport. I did not add them, but there are case investigations there too. If the pegasus will be found guilty as a result of the investigation, you can be sure that I will not hesitate to add them.

So you put a public opinion above the result of an investigation about the American Airlines issue. Strange, because nowadays almost everyone is saying 'discrimination' first before hearing, questioning why they are refused. And this doesn't apply only to airline companies, but also to other companies and organizations as well.

The US Senate for example.

;)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2020, 04:59:51 AM
Read the link below to read what is the difference of subjective of objective.

www.google.com.tr/search?client=opera&q=what+is+the+difference+of+subjective+and+objective

I told I behaved subjective about discrimination, and it is so. Please learn before talk.

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Subjective means something which does not show the clear picture or it is just a person's outlook or expression of opinion. An objective statement is based on facts and observations. On the other hand, a subjective statement relies on assumptions, beliefs, opinions and influenced by emotions and personal feelings.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 06, 2020, 10:08:34 PM
According to the first information leaked from the investigation, the main reason of accident is stated to be the wind coming from the back of the plane. In this case, the tower must warn the plane and instruct it to pass, while allowing the landing, and the aircraft that took the wind from behind went out of the runway because there was not enough braking distance. accordingly, the company is not at wrong here.

Pegasus is clear, not guilty. Mistake seemingly belongs to control tower according to first findings. After investigation ends we can change the decision, even so. But we are not listing the towers here.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 07, 2020, 02:25:46 AM
According to the first information leaked from the investigation, the main reason of accident is stated to be the wind coming from the back of the plane.
Which the pilots should have been able to notice, and compensate for. So that would make it pilot error.
Other pilots were even competent enough to abort their landings, rather than destroying their planes.

It seems you don't want to attack your turkish airline.
I bet if it was a Qantas plane you would happily blame them.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2020, 05:17:29 AM
SAA is on its way to going under. I dont think NASA is paying them enough money to keep the globe earth conspiracy going. Do you think they can convince NASA to pay them more money or they spill the beans?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 07, 2020, 05:22:35 AM
SAA is on its way to going under. I dont think NASA is paying them enough money to keep the globe earth conspiracy going. Do you think they can convince NASA to pay them more money or they spill the beans?
global companies never bankrup in fact. they transfer money by pretending they are bankrupting. I can even write a book about it. money is not real, it the only real is swap.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2020, 05:44:42 AM
global companies never bankrup in fact. they transfer money by pretending they are bankrupting. I can even write a book about it. money is not real, it the only real is swap.
First, although you may think you can write a book on it, im sure it wont be a recommended best seller.
Companies do go bankrupt and lose tons of cash. Most of their remaining cash then goes to their debtors, and their investors usually gets left in the dust.
SAA is a state owned enterprise, meaning all of its debt is backed by goverment bonds. It has a lot more debt than it can ever pay off, and the goverment is running out of people to Tax. Turns out all the evil rich people where needed in the first place.
The point is, SAA has become a black hole for cash and is only staying a float because banks are happy to give more loans if they are guaranteed by government bonds. The rest of the country is not happy about that, and want to stop the idiocracy.

So back to my original question. How much do you think NASA is paying them, and can they demand more hush money now? They only need about $1 billion every 3-4 months.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 08, 2020, 06:42:38 AM

According to the first information leaked from the investigation, the main reason of accident is stated to be the wind coming from the back of the plane.

That's called Low Airspeed.

Pilot Error.

It doesn't matter if the tower gave the wind direction or not.
The pilot would feel mushy control response and power up to go around.

A pilot has the ultimate right and responsibility
to over ride the tower instructions.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 08, 2020, 07:00:40 AM
global companies never bankrup in fact. they transfer money by pretending they are bankrupting. I can even write a book about it. money is not real, it the only real is swap.
First, although you may think you can write a book on it, im sure it wont be a recommended best seller.
Companies do go bankrupt and lose tons of cash. Most of their remaining cash then goes to their debtors, and their investors usually gets left in the dust.
SAA is a state owned enterprise, meaning all of its debt is backed by goverment bonds. It has a lot more debt than it can ever pay off, and the goverment is running out of people to Tax. Turns out all the evil rich people where needed in the first place.
The point is, SAA has become a black hole for cash and is only staying a float because banks are happy to give more loans if they are guaranteed by government bonds. The rest of the country is not happy about that, and want to stop the idiocracy.

So back to my original question. How much do you think NASA is paying them, and can they demand more hush money now? They only need about $1 billion every 3-4 months.

Don't be so sure. Many of my suggestions became law. You can deny, but it is. Closing your eyes does not change the truths to lies.

global capital is one and only and they decide which companies to become wealthy or bankrupt. this is usually for a political purpose. The SAA example is no different. rulers are always dummy. they are always governed by global capital behind the scenes. what you see as "bankruptcy" is just the displacement of capital. So there is no real bankruptcy. so nasa doesn't need to do anything additionally.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 08, 2020, 03:28:05 PM
global companies never bankrup in fact. they transfer money by pretending they are bankrupting. I can even write a book about it. money is not real, it the only real is swap.
First, although you may think you can write a book on it, im sure it wont be a recommended best seller.
Companies do go bankrupt and lose tons of cash. Most of their remaining cash then goes to their debtors, and their investors usually gets left in the dust.
SAA is a state owned enterprise, meaning all of its debt is backed by goverment bonds. It has a lot more debt than it can ever pay off, and the goverment is running out of people to Tax. Turns out all the evil rich people where needed in the first place.
The point is, SAA has become a black hole for cash and is only staying a float because banks are happy to give more loans if they are guaranteed by government bonds. The rest of the country is not happy about that, and want to stop the idiocracy.

So back to my original question. How much do you think NASA is paying them, and can they demand more hush money now? They only need about $1 billion every 3-4 months.

Don't be so sure. Many of my suggestions became law. You can deny, but it is. Closing your eyes does not change the truths to lies.

Yes, I deny it!
Now you show some proof that "Many of your suggestions became law".

Empty words without evidence do not change the lies to truths and all you ever have is empty words that YOU expect us to swallow!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 09, 2020, 10:37:44 PM
Don't be so sure. Many of my suggestions became law. You can deny, but it is. Closing your eyes does not change the truths to lies.

global capital is one and only and they decide which companies to become wealthy or bankrupt. this is usually for a political purpose. The SAA example is no different. rulers are always dummy. they are always governed by global capital behind the scenes. what you see as "bankruptcy" is just the displacement of capital. So there is no real bankruptcy. so nasa doesn't need to do anything additionally.
Bankrupt by definition is when a company can no longer pay its debt.

Are you saying that no company has ever gone belly up? Have you ever read the news? Look at the stock market? Pulled your head out of your ass? Heard of Lehman Brothers, Blockbuster or Enron?
SOME companies get bailouts from governments when there are huge national interests at stake, such as massive amount of layoffs. But that is very much the exception. MOST 99%+ of companies either have to sell the remainder of the company off for pennies (as buying it comes with a lot of debt), or have to liquidate completely to repay their debt. MOST companies do not survive bankruptcy.

SAA may survive, only because it is a state owned company. Meaning that the South African government can (and probably will) keep throwing money at it even if it never turns a profit. The sensible thing is to let it dies, Because I would chose my tax money get wasted elsewhere.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 09, 2020, 11:35:20 PM
Don't be so sure. Many of my suggestions became law. You can deny, but it is. Closing your eyes does not change the truths to lies.

global capital is one and only and they decide which companies to become wealthy or bankrupt. this is usually for a political purpose. The SAA example is no different. rulers are always dummy. they are always governed by global capital behind the scenes. what you see as "bankruptcy" is just the displacement of capital. So there is no real bankruptcy. so nasa doesn't need to do anything additionally.
Bankrupt by definition is when a company can no longer pay its debt.

Are you saying that no company has ever gone belly up? Have you ever read the news? Look at the stock market? Pulled your head out of your ass? Heard of Lehman Brothers, Blockbuster or Enron?
SOME companies get bailouts from governments when there are huge national interests at stake, such as massive amount of layoffs. But that is very much the exception. MOST 99%+ of companies either have to sell the remainder of the company off for pennies (as buying it comes with a lot of debt), or have to liquidate completely to repay their debt. MOST companies do not survive bankruptcy.

SAA may survive, only because it is a state owned company. Meaning that the South African government can (and probably will) keep throwing money at it even if it never turns a profit. The sensible thing is to let it dies, Because I would chose my tax money get wasted elsewhere.

As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 09, 2020, 11:47:07 PM
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
With all the insults you throw you shouldn't be complaining about others calling you out on your dishonesty.

Where is any evidence at all for NASA creating these "fake routes"? Where is any evidence at all that these routes are fake?
The sole reason you  have for claiming they are fake is that they show your map to be wrong, they show that Earth isn't flat, and you can't handle that.

Why would SAA have to obey?
If they are going bankrupt what is their motive?
Wouldn't it make far more sense to effectively hold NASA to ransom? Demand they give them money or they spill the beans?
Or even more sense for it to not be a conspiracy at all?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 09, 2020, 11:56:32 PM
I would be glad if one of the blacklisted companies went bankrupt. They are one of the three companies marked with red color. It means they are very black listed. so the number of villains will decrease by one. In this way, a company that does more honest business can replace it. SAA goes, then only LATAM and Qantas will remains...

Good news for today.They would not go bankrupt if they spent their energy on their financial statements instead of producing fake flights. They will be bankrupt as a warning or deterrent to others.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 10, 2020, 12:21:19 AM

As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.

And what is the benefit for NASA when 'they creating fake routes' ? Since I'm living in Europe I really don't care what NASA thinks or do. However I don't reject NASA and space in general, since I know that space is real. However I am always fascinated that the FErs always use NASA as their 'go-to guy' when they are not able to explain everything.

In general, what is the purpose of hiding anything 'the truth' according to you?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 12:25:09 AM
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
Wait, If the routes between Perth and Johannesburg are fake, what exactly happens to my cousins, father and grandmother twice a year?
Do they get magically teleported from Joburg to Perth once in the airport?
Please explain?

Also, they are a State Owned Enterprise (SEO) Meaning that they are run like shit, and right now are more likely to die than ever before.
What single incentive does my government have to listen to the USA if they asked us to crease "fake routes"? If it was to keep any secret, now is the best time to bribe NASA for billions every year. What exactly will NASA do to SAA is they reveal any secret?


And what do you mean by there is nothing our government can do but listen to the USA? What do they give us for us to listen to them? Our current government has essentially turned its back on the USA in favor for China. How do you think you have any idea what happens in South Africa? If there was a single politician that got funding from the USA he would be figuratively burned to the stake and see the end of any career he planned.


Also, our politician have to declare all their sources of income now after our previous President tried to win the race for most corrupt asshole on earth. I think he is winning that race.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 12:28:36 AM

As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.

And what is the benefit for NASA when 'they creating fake routes' ? Since I'm living in Europe I really don't care what NASA thinks or do. However I don't reject NASA and space in general, since I know that space is real. However I am always fascinated that the FErs always use NASA as their 'go-to guy' when they are not able to explain everything.

In general, what is the purpose of hiding anything 'the truth' according to you?

Black money. Contracting with an airline company to produce fake routes and making a deal with a simulation company to claim to send a rocket into space has the same effect on public. So called Sending rockets into space is direct argument  and the supportive argument is to produce fake routes. fake routes really help the public believe that you are really sending the rocket.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 12:30:49 AM
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
Wait, If the routes between Perth and Johannesburg are fake, what exactly happens to my cousins, father and grandmother twice a year?
Do they get magically teleported from Joburg to Perth once in the airport?
Please explain?

Also, they are a State Owned Enterprise (SEO) Meaning that they are run like shit, and right now are more likely to die than ever before.
What single incentive does my government have to listen to the USA if they asked us to crease "fake routes"? If it was to keep any secret, now is the best time to bribe NASA for billions every year. What exactly will NASA do to SAA is they reveal any secret?

I mean flight time by telling fake route. Likewise it is written on the first page. those flights are available but flight times are wrong.

South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 12:33:38 AM
I mean flight time by telling fake route. Likewise it is written on the first page. those flights are available but flight times are wrong.

South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
My father is a Pilot. He would notice if the flight was 5 min late or 10 miles off course.
My Aunt would have burnt the airport down if she was 10 min late.

The flight times are correct, your maps are build out of your delusions.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 12:37:54 AM
I mean flight time by telling fake route. Likewise it is written on the first page. those flights are available but flight times are wrong.

South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
My father is a Pilot. He would notice if the flight was 5 min late or 10 miles off course.
My Aunt would have burnt the airport down if she was 10 min late.

The flight times are correct, your maps are build out of your delusions.

You are lying. Prove it. Your father being a pilot does not magically shorten the flight time. Tell your father record one of these flights between perth and Johannesburg. Is it really hard? Nope. But he can not!

Stop lying my son!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 12:39:36 AM
I mean flight time by telling fake route. Likewise it is written on the first page. those flights are available but flight times are wrong.

South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
My father is a Pilot. He would notice if the flight was 5 min late or 10 miles off course.
My Aunt would have burnt the airport down if she was 10 min late.

The flight times are correct, your maps are build out of your delusions.

You are lying. Prove it. Your father being a pilot does not magically shorten the flight time.
Prove what?

How about you prove that the flight times are incorrect.
Get on a ticket to Johannesburg right now, ill even fly up to meet you at the airport.
Then book a ticket to Perth, Prices are very low now because most people are bailing on SAA, so lots of empty flights.
Get on the flight and time it all the way there.

Once you have done that, then you can say you have proof.

All I have is direct confirmation of at least 5 family members plus another about 4 friends that the direct route from Perth to Joburg is exactly as advertised.
What do you have?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 12:42:50 AM
I mean flight time by telling fake route. Likewise it is written on the first page. those flights are available but flight times are wrong.

South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
My father is a Pilot. He would notice if the flight was 5 min late or 10 miles off course.
My Aunt would have burnt the airport down if she was 10 min late.

The flight times are correct, your maps are build out of your delusions.

You are lying. Prove it. Your father being a pilot does not magically shorten the flight time.
Prove what?

How about you prove that the flight times are incorrect.
Get on a ticket to Johannesburg right now, ill even fly up to meet you at the airport.
Then book a ticket to Perth, Prices are very low now because most people are bailing on SAA, so lots of empty flights.
Get on the flight and time it all the way there.

Once you have done that, then you can say you have proof.

All I have is direct confirmation of at least 5 family members plus another about 4 friends that the direct route from Perth to Joburg is exactly as advertised.
What do you have?
You are just claiming. You have nothing. The only evidence I can accept a full flight time video. All others can be created. I have more than 100 thousand flight data and this flight data proves that route cannot be passed in that time.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 12:42:53 AM
Wise, what time differance do you suspect a direct flight should take.
Google gives me
Jhb to Perth - 9h25
Perth to Jhb 10h45

What do you say they should be?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 12:44:52 AM
So you are google earth believer. Why do you ask me about it? Did you ever ask your father about the flight times instead? Or, is google your father?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 01:00:53 AM
So you are google earth believer. Why do you ask me about it? Did you ever ask your father about the flight times instead? Or, is google your father?
The flights are always a point of discussion when people come over. Including the question, "how long was your flight?"
If the flight was longer than advertised it would have repeatedly come up seeing as there have probably been about 50 flights in the last 20 years from just my various family members.

So I have direct verbal evidence that the flights are as advertised.

What evidence do you have?
How long do you think the flights should be?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 10, 2020, 01:07:10 AM

As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.

And what is the benefit for NASA when 'they creating fake routes' ? Since I'm living in Europe I really don't care what NASA thinks or do. However I don't reject NASA and space in general, since I know that space is real. However I am always fascinated that the FErs always use NASA as their 'go-to guy' when they are not able to explain everything.

In general, what is the purpose of hiding anything 'the truth' according to you?

Black money. Contracting with an airline company to produce fake routes and making a deal with a simulation company to claim to send a rocket into space has the same effect on public. So called Sending rockets into space is direct argument  and the supportive argument is to produce fake routes. fake routes really help the public believe that you are really sending the rocket.

Still not an answer to my question. Black money doesn't cover this. Also what has fake routed to with rockets? Rockets are real and so are these flight routes. Do you have any evidence that these flights are fake? While thousands of people has flown these routes in real life?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 01:18:54 AM

As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.

And what is the benefit for NASA when 'they creating fake routes' ? Since I'm living in Europe I really don't care what NASA thinks or do. However I don't reject NASA and space in general, since I know that space is real. However I am always fascinated that the FErs always use NASA as their 'go-to guy' when they are not able to explain everything.

In general, what is the purpose of hiding anything 'the truth' according to you?

Black money. Contracting with an airline company to produce fake routes and making a deal with a simulation company to claim to send a rocket into space has the same effect on public. So called Sending rockets into space is direct argument  and the supportive argument is to produce fake routes. fake routes really help the public believe that you are really sending the rocket.

Still not an answer to my question. Black money doesn't cover this. Also what has fake routed to with rockets? Rockets are real and so are these flight routes. Do you have any evidence that these flights are fake? While thousands of people has flown these routes in real life?

No, I have answered but you are either unable to get what you read or denying the facts. You have asked me what is their benefit to lying and I have wrote it. Some people claiming something do not prove anything. Their number being more than me isn't an evidence.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 01:22:14 AM
So you are google earth believer. Why do you ask me about it? Did you ever ask your father about the flight times instead? Or, is google your father?
The flights are always a point of discussion when people come over. Including the question, "how long was your flight?"
If the flight was longer than advertised it would have repeatedly come up seeing as there have probably been about 50 flights in the last 20 years from just my various family members.

So I have direct verbal evidence that the flights are as advertised.

What evidence do you have?
How long do you think the flights should be?

Baseless claims aren'T evidence. I don't accept anything else other than a real time video. Number of liars can not make a lie into reality. There is a map here  (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0)and you can measure it yourself. Considering an aircraft goes average 1.000km/h you can calculate it by yourself. Anyways this is not the issue here.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 01:33:59 AM
Some people claiming something do not prove anything.
Your some people.
Your claiming something.

I will ask again.

What evidence do you have that the flight from South Africa to Perth is wrong.

I have personal testimony from people who have no benefit from lying.

What do you have other than it does not agree with your hypothesis?

Because I think your more interested in protecting your conclusion that looking for the truth.

Just because you keep repeating the lie, does not make it true.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 10, 2020, 02:21:00 AM

As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.

And what is the benefit for NASA when 'they creating fake routes' ? Since I'm living in Europe I really don't care what NASA thinks or do. However I don't reject NASA and space in general, since I know that space is real. However I am always fascinated that the FErs always use NASA as their 'go-to guy' when they are not able to explain everything.

In general, what is the purpose of hiding anything 'the truth' according to you?

Black money. Contracting with an airline company to produce fake routes and making a deal with a simulation company to claim to send a rocket into space has the same effect on public. So called Sending rockets into space is direct argument  and the supportive argument is to produce fake routes. fake routes really help the public believe that you are really sending the rocket.

Still not an answer to my question. Black money doesn't cover this. Also what has fake routed to with rockets? Rockets are real and so are these flight routes. Do you have any evidence that these flights are fake? While thousands of people has flown these routes in real life?

No, I have answered but you are either unable to get what you read or denying the facts. You have asked me what is their benefit to lying and I have wrote it. Some people claiming something do not prove anything. Their number being more than me isn't an evidence.

Your answer is black money. So where is this black money coming from then? And what is the purpose of using black money to create these fake flights, as you call it? And I assume that you have much more flights that doesn't fit your model of Earth? If this is the case don't you ask yourself why there are difference between the real flight times and the flight times that you expected? Real scientists will ask them this and try to find what the reason is why it is not the same. However you instead say 'these flights must be fake because they don't fit with my model' and that's it.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 10, 2020, 03:54:25 AM
You are lying. Prove it.
Stop lying my son!
How about you prove it or stop lying?
All the available evidence shows you are wrong.
There is literally no reason to think these flights are fake.

The only "reason" you have is they show that your delusions are wrong.

If you wish to disagree, why don't you try and provide evidence that they are fake?

And no, appealing to your wilful ignorance is not evidence.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 10, 2020, 04:36:43 AM
Baseless claims aren'T evidence. I don't accept anything else other than a real time video. Number of liars can not make a lie into reality. There is a map here  (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0)and you can measure it yourself. Considering an aircraft goes average 1.000km/h you can calculate it by yourself. Anyways this is not the issue here.
True, YOUR "Baseless claims aren't evidence".
It seems that everybody except YOU seems to know that QANTAS flies non-stop:
      from Sydney to Johannesburg with Flight QF63 and from Johannesburg to Sydney with Flight QF64 and
      from Sydney to Santiago, Chile, with Flight QF27 and from Santiago, Chile, to Sydney with Flight QF28.

Now YOU prove that these flights are not genuine because QANTAS lists them as genuine regular flights!
     flightradar24: Playback of flight QF63 - Sydney to Johannesburg (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qf63#23cc5876)
     flightradar24: Playback of flight QF64: Johannesburg to Sydney (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qf64#23ccb94c)
     flightradar24: Flight history for Qantas flight QF27 - Sydney to Santiago (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qf27#23ce595a)
     flightradar24: Playback of flight QF28 - Santiago to Sydney (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qf28#23cf3a38)

And, Mr Wise, I could not care less about the fact that you "don't accept anything else other than a real-time video"!
Nor could I care less about any ridiculous so-called map in Wise's Ridiculous Flat Earth Map (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0)

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 04:39:51 AM

As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.

And what is the benefit for NASA when 'they creating fake routes' ? Since I'm living in Europe I really don't care what NASA thinks or do. However I don't reject NASA and space in general, since I know that space is real. However I am always fascinated that the FErs always use NASA as their 'go-to guy' when they are not able to explain everything.

In general, what is the purpose of hiding anything 'the truth' according to you?

Black money. Contracting with an airline company to produce fake routes and making a deal with a simulation company to claim to send a rocket into space has the same effect on public. So called Sending rockets into space is direct argument  and the supportive argument is to produce fake routes. fake routes really help the public believe that you are really sending the rocket.

Still not an answer to my question. Black money doesn't cover this. Also what has fake routed to with rockets? Rockets are real and so are these flight routes. Do you have any evidence that these flights are fake? While thousands of people has flown these routes in real life?

No, I have answered but you are either unable to get what you read or denying the facts. You have asked me what is their benefit to lying and I have wrote it. Some people claiming something do not prove anything. Their number being more than me isn't an evidence.

Your answer is black money. So where is this black money coming from then? And what is the purpose of using black money to create these fake flights, as you call it? And I assume that you have much more flights that doesn't fit your model of Earth? If this is the case don't you ask yourself why there are difference between the real flight times and the flight times that you expected? Real scientists will ask them this and try to find what the reason is why it is not the same. However you instead say 'these flights must be fake because they don't fit with my model' and that's it.

American tax payers is the source of this black money. The money spent on rockets that don't go into space isn't actually spent. This money, which is not spent, is used in dirty works. Each of your articles that support NASA's lies is turning into a bullet used by a terrorist against an innocent person somewhere in the world, maybe.

The routes I named are incorrect. no, there is no problem with the others. the main problem is that these flights are incompatible with others.

I will ask again.
What evidence do you have that the flight from South Africa to Perth is wrong.

Because it is incompatibled with remained 100.000 flights made in entire world. look. I did not create a map by myself. I placed them on the map based on the flight times of the planes. While 99% are perfectly compatible, 1% are incompatible. and incompatible flights between sidney, johannesburg, perth, santiago. the others are OK. For example, there is no problem with sao paolo madrid flight. but agreements have been made with several flight companies and false routes have been produced. and there is no video evidence of these suspicious flights.

Whatever you tell can not be evidence but a full flight video that you have not.

This is not the issue but if you want to continue, you can continue it here, by adding there a real flight video:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82172.0
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 10, 2020, 04:55:02 AM
I will ask again.
What evidence do you have that the flight from South Africa to Perth is wrong.

Because it is incompatibled with remained 100.000 flights made in entire world.
No!
Those flights are NOT incompatible with other flights made in the entire world! On the real Earth, the Globe, they fit perfectly.

But that is why YOU dishonestly ignored them - they are strong evidence that your fairy tale flat earth is quite impossible!

Mr, Wise, it is deceptive in the extreme to ignore evidence against your belief in the flat earth - be honest, for a change, and accept all the evidence and just see where it leads you.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 04:58:20 AM
Because it is incompatibled with remained 100.000 flights made in entire world. look. I did not create a map by myself. I placed them on the map based on the flight times of the planes. While 99% are perfectly compatible, 1% are incompatible. and incompatible flights between sidney, johannesburg, perth, santiago. the others are OK. For example, there is no problem with sao paolo madrid flight. but agreements have been made with several flight companies and false routes have been produced. and there is no video evidence of these suspicious flights.

Whatever you tell can not be evidence but a full flight video that you have not.

This is not the issue but if you want to continue, you can continue it here, by adding there a real flight video:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82172.0 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82172.0)
Im sure you have been told this before, but Ill say it incase you ignored it.

On a flat earth projected map that is taken literally.
All Flights going from East to West or West to East in the southern hemisphere will be wrong. The further the flight, the bigger the discrepancy.
Flights going North to South will be fine as your map will stretch out fine that way.

I have personally flown from Johannesburg to Sao Paulo none stop over the ocean. The flight took exactly as long as it said it would.
I bet that you excluded that flight from your map because it would break your map.

The issue is, your starting with a conclusion and excluding everything that does not agree with it. That is not science, that is directly lying to people. You are lying to people.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 05:09:21 AM
Because it is incompatibled with remained 100.000 flights made in entire world. look. I did not create a map by myself. I placed them on the map based on the flight times of the planes. While 99% are perfectly compatible, 1% are incompatible. and incompatible flights between sidney, johannesburg, perth, santiago. the others are OK. For example, there is no problem with sao paolo madrid flight. but agreements have been made with several flight companies and false routes have been produced. and there is no video evidence of these suspicious flights.

Whatever you tell can not be evidence but a full flight video that you have not.

This is not the issue but if you want to continue, you can continue it here, by adding there a real flight video:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82172.0 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82172.0)
Im sure you have been told this before, but Ill say it incase you ignored it.

On a flat earth projected map that is taken literally.
All Flights going from East to West or West to East in the southern hemisphere will be wrong. The further the flight, the bigger the discrepancy.
Flights going North to South will be fine as your map will stretch out fine that way.

I have personally flown from Johannesburg to Sao Paulo none stop over the ocean. The flight took exactly as long as it said it would.
I bet that you excluded that flight from your map because it would break your map.

The issue is, your starting with a conclusion and excluding everything that does not agree with it. That is not science, that is directly lying to people. You are lying to people.

I have examined more than 100.000 flights and only flights between those 4 cities are contradicted others, hence I have eliminated them. Your baseless slanders do not magically make me a liar but makes you a slanderer. I have gave you an adress. If you have a proof then publish there. Johannesburg and Sao Paolo flights are not evident. There are 2 hours difference even between flights belong to same company. Those flights are made up.

Why can not you put forward a vide evidence flights between Santiago and Sydney. This is the most difference between both maps. If you haven't a proof so shut up instead of baseless slanders and insults. Oh, surely, you are doing it because you are an angry globalist trying to prove how you are in anger.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 05:17:57 AM
I have examined more than 100.000 flights and only flights between those 4 cities are contradicted others, hence I have eliminated them. Your baseless slanders do not magically make me a liar but makes you a slanderer. I have gave you an adress. If you have a proof then publish there. Johannesburg and Sao Paolo flights are not evident. There are 2 hours difference even between flights belong to same company. Those flights are made up.

Why can not you put forward a vide evidence flights between Santiago and Sydney. This is the most difference between both maps. If you haven't a proof so shut up instead of baseless slanders and insults. Oh, surely, you are doing it because you are an angry globalist trying to prove how you are in anger.

What are you going on about?
I dont have to prove anything.
I dont have to convince everyone one earth that what they already know to be true is in fact true.

You are making a fantastical claim, so the onus is on you to provide proof that your great claim is true.
And the bigger the claim, the greater the evidence required will be.

Also, you have examined only the flights you have been on. You have zero evidence that a flight is not what it says it to be unless you have actually been on that flight. I have testemony that the Perth to Joburg flights are correct, and the Joburg to Sao Paulo flights are 100% correct. Chances are I would have personal evidence that the flights to Perth are correct before you climb on your first international flight.

You have also been repeatedly told why flights going east to west are different than flights going west to east (i.e. it has something to do with the fact that the earth is a globe as well) So obviously their flights differ depending on their direction.

So I have asked you what evidence you have of your claim.

And you have answered.






You have nothing
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 05:47:28 AM
I have nothing
Corrected. Your baseless claims only binds yourself. Those are not evidences. Your baseless claims aren't evidences. Your claiming your traveling somewhere isn't an evidence. I do not have to accept your, your pilot father's,  your hostess mother's so called travels. Hence, you have nothing but lies in my opinion.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 05:58:04 AM
I have nothing
Corrected. Your baseless claims only binds yourself. Those are not evidences. Your baseless claims aren't evidences. Your claiming your traveling somewhere isn't an evidence. I do not have to accept your, your pilot father's,  your hostess mother's so called travels. Hence, you have nothing but lies in my opinion.
I dont think you know what baseless actually means.
It means that you have no actual sources of information.

Lets see what each of us have as evidence.

I have
- personal experience
- testemony from more than 5 people

You have
- The information that you have no direct knowledge of does not match your outlandish hypothesis.

Also, editing other peoples quotes is a true sign of dishonesty.
Your backed up against the wall because you know your being caught out, your true self is starting to show.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 10, 2020, 06:11:18 AM
Wise. You know that your map is basically a globe? If you don't please take a look to this video.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: sokarul on February 10, 2020, 06:32:57 AM
Don't be so sure. Many of my suggestions became law. You can deny, but it is. Closing your eyes does not change the truths to lies.

global capital is one and only and they decide which companies to become wealthy or bankrupt. this is usually for a political purpose. The SAA example is no different. rulers are always dummy. they are always governed by global capital behind the scenes. what you see as "bankruptcy" is just the displacement of capital. So there is no real bankruptcy. so nasa doesn't need to do anything additionally.
Bankrupt by definition is when a company can no longer pay its debt.

Are you saying that no company has ever gone belly up? Have you ever read the news? Look at the stock market? Pulled your head out of your ass? Heard of Lehman Brothers, Blockbuster or Enron?
SOME companies get bailouts from governments when there are huge national interests at stake, such as massive amount of layoffs. But that is very much the exception. MOST 99%+ of companies either have to sell the remainder of the company off for pennies (as buying it comes with a lot of debt), or have to liquidate completely to repay their debt. MOST companies do not survive bankruptcy.

SAA may survive, only because it is a state owned company. Meaning that the South African government can (and probably will) keep throwing money at it even if it never turns a profit. The sensible thing is to let it dies, Because I would chose my tax money get wasted elsewhere.

As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.

Can you stop blaming NASA for everything?  NASA is not a scapegoat for not having any evidence.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 06:48:05 AM
I have nothing
Corrected. Your baseless claims only binds yourself. Those are not evidences. Your baseless claims aren't evidences. Your claiming your traveling somewhere isn't an evidence. I do not have to accept your, your pilot father's,  your hostess mother's so called travels. Hence, you have nothing but lies in my opinion.
I dont think you know what baseless actually means.
It means that you have no actual sources of information.

Lets see what each of us have as evidence.

I have
- personal experience
- testemony from more than 5 people

You have
- The information that you have no direct knowledge of does not match your outlandish hypothesis.

Also, editing other peoples quotes is a true sign of dishonesty.
Your backed up against the wall because you know your being caught out, your true self is starting to show.

No, I know what is baseless more than you know. It means that you have no actual sources of information.

Lets see what you have as evidence: Your baseless so called experiences. These are clearly not evidence and only binds yourself that I don't care. They are obviously not an evidence in any type. Your dreams and your imagination aren't evidence. So, you have nothing in the name of evidence.

Lets see what I have as evidence: More than 100.000 flights and they based a very strong map working.

So, give up baseless claims and face the reality, the earth's being flat. But this is not the issue. You are sabotaging the issue with your baseless claims and imagination.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 06:50:31 AM
Don't be so sure. Many of my suggestions became law. You can deny, but it is. Closing your eyes does not change the truths to lies.

global capital is one and only and they decide which companies to become wealthy or bankrupt. this is usually for a political purpose. The SAA example is no different. rulers are always dummy. they are always governed by global capital behind the scenes. what you see as "bankruptcy" is just the displacement of capital. So there is no real bankruptcy. so nasa doesn't need to do anything additionally.
Bankrupt by definition is when a company can no longer pay its debt.

Are you saying that no company has ever gone belly up? Have you ever read the news? Look at the stock market? Pulled your head out of your ass? Heard of Lehman Brothers, Blockbuster or Enron?
SOME companies get bailouts from governments when there are huge national interests at stake, such as massive amount of layoffs. But that is very much the exception. MOST 99%+ of companies either have to sell the remainder of the company off for pennies (as buying it comes with a lot of debt), or have to liquidate completely to repay their debt. MOST companies do not survive bankruptcy.

SAA may survive, only because it is a state owned company. Meaning that the South African government can (and probably will) keep throwing money at it even if it never turns a profit. The sensible thing is to let it dies, Because I would chose my tax money get wasted elsewhere.

As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.

Can you stop blaming NASA for everything?  NASA is not a scapegoat for not having any evidence.

NASA is the scapegoat and your begging can not change this fact.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 06:53:24 AM
Wise. You know that your map is basically a globe? If you don't please take a look to this video.



It is not my map. My map is a full of scientific map, here it is:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

If I would use your so called globe map then you would be right. But I have started from an empty map and fulled it with full of knowledge.At the end of the work I found a flat map completely the result of scientific examinations, calculations and measurements.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: sokarul on February 10, 2020, 06:58:50 AM
How did you come to the conclusion Denver is farther north than London?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 10, 2020, 06:59:42 AM
Wise. You know that your map is basically a globe? If you don't please take a look to this video.



It is not my map. My map is a full of scientific map, here it is:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

If I would use your so called globe map then you would be right. But I have started from an empty map and fulled it with full of knowledge.At the end of the work I found a flat map completely the result of scientific examinations, calculations and measurements.

Sorry to say, but it looks like the same as in the video. You have only turned everything a slightly counter clockwise. So yeah, even your map is not good
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 07:53:58 AM
No, I know what is baseless more than you know. It means that you have no actual sources of information.

Lets see what you have as evidence: Your baseless so called experiences. These are clearly not evidence and only binds yourself that I don't care. They are obviously not an evidence in any type. Your dreams and your imagination aren't evidence. So, you have nothing in the name of evidence.

Lets see what I have as evidence: More than 100.000 flights and they based a very strong map working.

So, give up baseless claims and face the reality, the earth's being flat. But this is not the issue. You are sabotaging the issue with your baseless claims and imagination.
Ah, I seem to understand where the problem lies.

You dont actually know what the word "evidence" means.
You just think its stuff that pops in your head.

I can see how that could confuse you.

Good luck convincing the world of your map if you cant show any flights in the Southern Hemisphere that dont go north.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 09:22:20 AM
There are many. The only problem those four cities and three airlines hence I have devided they made a cheating. I think I know what an evidence is.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 09:56:53 AM
For your Flat Earth Map projection it is more important to solve for the Southern Hemisphere than the Northern.
Flat Earthers keep ignoring the Southern Hemisphere as if we dont exist.

Figure out how our flights fit in your map, or your map is wrong.
Saying that I did not actually fly in the flight that I clearly did do, or that millions of other people also did not go on those flights is a terrible argument. It would be as correct as saying that Turkeys flag is modeled off of Pack-man eating a starfish.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 10:09:17 AM
Other Flat earthers may act vary. But I am consistent. My map is equally true in both circles, northern or southern hemicircle. All real flights fit with my map. Black listed three company is cheating, it is not my problem.  One of them is gone. Others will either admit their crime or will bankrupt like it. Because the great decision is made, they can not resist it till infinity.

I did not have to accept your so called travels without you bring a real evidence other than baseless claim you did it. You need more than you claim it to prove. Mentioening the Turkish flag inspired of moon and star image on the blood of marthyrs is proving how you are in anger and cornered, can not find anything but targeting the nationality.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 10, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
American tax payers is the source of this black money. The money spent on rockets that don't go into space isn't actually spent.
No, it is spent. They construct rockets and launch it, or higher another company to do so.
Even if you want to try arguing that it doesn't go to space, it is still a lot of money spent on the rockets, however you would then need even more money to fake it.
There wouldn't be any money left to pay anyone if they were faking it.

The routes I named are incorrect. no, there is no problem with the others. the main problem is that these flights are incompatible with others.
Again, all the evidence shows they are correct.
They are only a problem for your delusions.
You have literally no evidence to indicate the flights are fake.

We have shown plenty of problems with your maps, not just regarding flight times.

Because it is incompatibled with remained 100.000 flights made in entire world.
No, they aren't.
Try it on a globe, making sure you consider the large error range of your method.

And stop appealing to a full time video at 1x speed. You do not have a list of such flights for all the routes you accept.

If you haven't a proof so shut up instead of baseless slanders and insults. Oh, surely, you are doing it because you are an angry globalist trying to prove how you are in anger.
Good advice. If you don't have proof that these flights are fake and there is a conspiracy and NASA is lying then shut up instead baseless slander and insults. Unless you want everyone to think you are an angry flattard trying to prove you are angry because your delusions are wrong?

Look at how much you insult NASA and anyone who doesn't accept your delusions, just so you can try and cling to them.

So either provide your evidence that these flights are fake and so on, or shut up.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 10, 2020, 02:53:54 PM
Other Flat earthers may act vary. But I am consistent. My map is equally true in both circles, northern or southern hemicircle.
Your map is a heap of garbage that no flat Earther, other than you accepts.

Quote from: wise
All real flights fit with my map. Black listed three company is cheating, it is not my problem.  One of them is gone. Others will either admit their crime or will bankrupt like it. Because the great decision is made, they can not resist it till infinity.
No, all real flights do NOT fit onto your map. The following REAL flights prove that YOUR map is totally incorrect!
     Qantas QF17, QF28, QF63 and QF64
     LATAM Airlines LA802 and LA807
     Air New Zealand NZ30 and NZ31
     South African Airlines SA222, SA223, SA280 and SA281
and countless flights prove that you so-called map isn't worth a brass razoo!

Quote from: wise
I did not have to accept your so called travels without you bring a real evidence other than baseless claim you did it. You need more than you claim it to prove.

Of course, YOU don't have to accept the truth.
You are free to try to deceive people as much as you like but I doubt that anybody believes that your map is any better that a pigeon's scratching around in the dirt.

Here take a look at these!

GreaterSapien - The Day The Sun Stood Still

- QF63 SYD-JNB
     
Greater Sapien - Sydney to Johannessburg by Jesse Kozlowski


More impossible travel by GreaterSapien
     
Sydney to Johannesburg Flight Path by Donald Kronos

Complain as much as you like, Mr Wise, but those flights are REAL and your "map" is rubbish!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 09:39:14 PM
How did you come to the conclusion Denver is farther north than London?
According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.

Denver today 1° and London 8°. If we comparet the weather statistics of the whole year, London remains tropical compared to Denver. So much so that, London is in same latitude with Istanbul. I am following the weather statistics for years between these cities and I can clearly say that the weather in London is similar to Istanbul.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 09:46:44 PM
According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.

Denver today 1° and London 8°. If we comparet the weather statistics of the whole year, London remains tropical compared to Denver. So much so that, London is in same latitude with Istanbul. I am following the weather statistics for years between these cities and I can clearly say that the weather in London is similar to Istanbul.
Temperature does not determine how far North something is.
It snows in Kenya less that 500km away from the equator. Is Kenya now north of Istanbul too?

Your map is a joke
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.

Denver today 1° and London 8°. If we comparet the weather statistics of the whole year, London remains tropical compared to Denver. So much so that, London is in same latitude with Istanbul. I am following the weather statistics for years between these cities and I can clearly say that the weather in London is similar to Istanbul.
Temperature does not determine how far North something is.
It snows in Kenya less that 500km away from the equator. Is Kenya now north of Istanbul too?

Your map is a joke

I did not told anything as "temperature determines the distance to north" but it is an evidence. Your map is joke, you are a joke. You are completely a pawn of liars.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.

Denver today 1° and London 8°. If we comparet the weather statistics of the whole year, London remains tropical compared to Denver. So much so that, London is in same latitude with Istanbul. I am following the weather statistics for years between these cities and I can clearly say that the weather in London is similar to Istanbul.
Temperature does not determine how far North something is.
It snows in Kenya less that 500km away from the equator. Is Kenya now north of Istanbul too?

Your map is a joke

I did not told anything as "temperature determines the distance to north" but it is an evidence. Your map is joke, you are a joke. You are completely a pawn of liars.
Yet, you just used weather to determaine the position of a city.
You seem to use everything except actual location; for the location of places.
Have you tried to count how many pubs a place has to correlate its location yet?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 10, 2020, 10:17:32 PM
How did you come to the conclusion Denver is farther north than London?
According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.

Denver today 1° and London 8°. If we comparet the weather statistics of the whole year, London remains tropical compared to Denver. So much so that, London is in same latitude with Istanbul. I am following the weather statistics for years between these cities and I can clearly say that the weather in London is similar to Istanbul.
Well, that just proves how silly your map "According to 100.000 flights" really is!

Denver, Colorado, is at 39.74 N, 104.99° W or 5,591 km from the North Pole,
London, England, is at 51.51° N, 0.13° W or 4281 km
Istanbul, Turkey, is at 41.01° N, 28.98° E or 5,449 km south of the North Pole.

So the facts, Mr Wise, are that you could not be more wrong!

You simply cannot compare latitudes by "following the weather statistics for years between these cities."
Denver is at an altitude of some 1,560 to 1,730 m and London is almost at sea-level.
Denver is far inland where it gets more extremes in temperatures. London, on the other hand, is not far from the sea and the whole of the UK is warmed a little from the Gulf stream that carries warmer water from around Florida etc.

If "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" then your minuscule trace of knowledge is hazardous!

Are you trying to make the whole idea of a flat Earth look totally ridiculous? Trying to or not you are doing a wonderful job.

I'm becoming convinced that you are really a very smart NASA undercover agent trying to show how silly belief in the flat Earth really is.

Congratulations!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 10, 2020, 10:20:35 PM
Have you tried to count how many pubs a place has to correlate its location yet?
It gives some idea in Australia ;)! The fewer the pubs the nearer the red centre. Birdsville has only one ;D!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 10, 2020, 10:36:25 PM
Yet, you just used weather to determaine the position of a city.
Again; No, I did not. I have used 100.000 flights to determine the position of the city. I have used the temperature to verify their positions. I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 10, 2020, 10:36:35 PM
<< Rubbish deleted >>
Your map is joke, you are a joke. You are king of liars.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 10, 2020, 10:38:58 PM
Again; No, I did not. I have used 100.000 flights to determine the position of the city. I have used the temperature to verify their positions. I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.
And it is completely wrong to simply use "the temperature to verify their positions"!

And who are you to warn anyone?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 10, 2020, 10:47:51 PM
Again; No, I did not. I have used 100.000 flights to determine the position of the city. I have used the temperature to verify their positions. I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.
No, you used something worse that the weather to determine position, you used flight times.

All of these things can drastically change flight times and have no correlation to distance.

This article gives a nice description of how weather can effect flight times.
https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/british-airways-747-400-sets-subsonic-speed-record-for-atlantic-crossing/136625.article (https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/british-airways-747-400-sets-subsonic-speed-record-for-atlantic-crossing/136625.article)

A 747 flew from New York to London in 4h55, the flight normally takes about 6h20 min. Was London closer on that day?

Your use of flight times to determine distance is about as reliable as counting pubs to determine location on the map.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on February 10, 2020, 10:48:53 PM
<< Rubbish deleted >>
Your map is joke, you are a joke. You are king of liars.

Keep your antagonising BS to the lower fora. Seriously, this is a general section and his black list for flat earthers.

Who are you to come here to insult, belittle berate and debate on a topic that has nothing to do with you or your beliefs. Who are you to say what company can or can not belong on his list? Seriously GTFO and stop spamming with your unwanted nonsense.

Is this thread in Angry Ranting? No. Is it in Debate? No. Therefore keep your anger or interjections away.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 11, 2020, 12:26:55 AM
Yet, you just used weather to determaine the position of a city.
Again; No, I did not. I have used 100.000 flights to determine the position of the city. I have used the temperature to verify their positions. I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.

If you had examined 100k flights according to your own criteria, there must me 100k full length, uncut, flight videos you reviewed as well. As I remember, unless there is a full length, uncut, flight video, that flight doesn't exist, according to you.

Did you review 100k full length, uncut, flight videos?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 12:38:54 AM
Yet, you just used weather to determaine the position of a city.
Again; No, I did not. I have used 100.000 flights to determine the position of the city. I have used the temperature to verify their positions. I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.

If you had examined 100k flights according to your own criteria, there must me 100k full length, uncut, flight videos you reviewed as well. As I remember, unless there is a full length, uncut, flight video, that flight doesn't exist, according to you.

Did you review 100k full length, uncut, flight videos?

I have examined 100k flights by their flight times. I have examined about hundreds video about controversial flights.  By the way, I'll ignore you soon not because of your arguments but because not entering our social activity of the forum. This is a social platform, not for only you spread your BS globalist anger, and sharing some activities. If you continue to close your eyes, then I'll close your mouth too.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 11, 2020, 12:47:55 AM
<< Rubbish deleted >>
Your map is joke, you are a joke. You are king of liars.

Keep your antagonising BS to the lower fora. Seriously, this is a general section anandd his black list for flat earthers.
Well, tell you master to do likewise and keep his attacks on Australia, in particular, and airlines that fly these "southern" routes in AR too.
Did you read what Wise said in the post I replied to? Here are his words:
Your map is joke, you are a joke. You are completely a pawn of liars.
And then look at this.
I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.
Quote from: Shifter
Who are you to come here to insult, belittle berate and debate on a topic that has nothing to do with you or your beliefs.
It has every to do with me and my beliefs, thank you, Mr Shifter!

The impossiblity of the follow flights on Wise's "map" and the usual FE map is excellent evidence that those maps are wrong!
These flights: South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia and Australia to/from South America.

Yet Wise black-lists those flights that don't fit his "narrative" but accepts that fit that "narrative".

That can only be described as dishonest cherry-picking!

If you've nothing of value to add butt out, thank you!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 11, 2020, 12:50:49 AM
According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.
No, the flights don't support that at all. Just the way you stuck it all together, completely ignoring errors.
The climate doesn't support it.
The simplest factor to use is sunlight hours.
The further north you are the more daylight hours you have during the northern summer and the less during the southern summer.

Far too many factors influence the temperature and the like, so unless the locations are basically the same, you wouldn't expect the same results.
Denver is in the middle of the US, far away from any ocean or large body of water.
London is right next to the English channel and quite close to Atlantic Ocean.
Istanbul divides the Black Sea from the Sea of Marmara, and is quite close to the Mediterranean sea.

That makes Denver quite incomparable in terms of temperature and precipitation.

But it is still perfectly fine to compare daylight hours.
It needs to be quite a significant mountain for that to effect it, and such a mountain would have the effect of increasing the time for both periods, which lets us confirm that isn't the case.

On the southern solstice, Denver received ~9 hours and 21 minutes of daylight, compared to London's ~7 hours and 50 minutes.
On the northern solstice, Denver received ~14 hours and 59 minutes of daylight, compared to London's ~16 hours and 38 minutes.

This conclusive proves beyond any sane doubt that London is much further north than Denver.

If your map says otherwise, it is wrong.

I have examined 100k flights by their flight times. I have examined about hundreds video about controversial flights.
So you don't demand videos for all flights, just the ones you don't like.
If you applied the same standards of evidence for all your flights, that would mean your map is actually just based upon about a hundred flights. But I suspect even that is an exaggeration.

And that still doesn't deal with the massive errors associated with such flights.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Shifter on February 11, 2020, 12:54:50 AM
Quote from: Shifter

Nonsense removed

There is no reason you can't show a little decorum in objections in a forum that's made for it

The AR forum suits your more low brow manner of speaking

Qantas has a shady past, dodgy business practices and questionable routes. Why we wouldn't it be on a flat earthers black list?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 11, 2020, 01:58:42 AM
Quote from: Shifter

Nonsense removed

There is no reason you can't show a little decorum in objections in a forum that's made for it

The AR forum suits your more low brow manner of speaking

Qantas has a shady past, dodgy business practices and questionable routes. Why we wouldn't it be on a flat earthers black list?
I think you screwed your quotes up :o. Have another go ;D ;D!

But if you're going to make a serious allegation like:
"Qantas has a shady past, dodgy business practices and questionable routes. Why we wouldn't it be on a flat earthers black list?"
You'd better have some convincing evidence or you are the liar!

But Wise has not simply black-listed Qantas but "Lan, Latam, South African and Sichuan Airlines" as well.

In other words all the airlines he can find that has flights that don't fit on the map he is trying to make.

So either you present evidence that all those airlines are deceiving the flying public or admit Wise is engaged in quite dishonest "cherry-picking".

Does that seem like an honest investigation to you?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 02:29:50 AM
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things.  ^-^

Help me rab: up! up! up!  ^-^
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 11, 2020, 02:53:49 AM
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things.  ^-^

Help me rab: up! up! up!  ^-^
I'm doing my best at alerting others to your deceptive cherry-picking. Thanks for the encouragement.
But I'd rather you didn't read it anyway, though your vassal, Shifter, does that and tries vainly to support your deception.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 03:03:00 AM
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things.  ^-^

Help me rab: up! up! up!  ^-^
Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 03:19:36 AM
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things.  ^-^

Help me rab: up! up! up!  ^-^
Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.

courage is to defend what it known right against the world. can I do this? Yes. the rest is no problem. the rest happens spontaneously.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 11, 2020, 03:26:46 AM
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things.  ^-^

Help me rab: up! up! up!  ^-^
Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.

courage is to defend what it known right against the world. can I do this? Yes. the rest is no problem. the rest happens spontaneously.

Still your map is not accurate.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 03:37:08 AM
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things.  ^-^

Help me rab: up! up! up!  ^-^
Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.

courage is to defend what it known right against the world. can I do this? Yes. the rest is no problem. the rest happens spontaneously.

Still your map is not accurate.
No, it is. Your baseless denying does not magically make it not accurate.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 11, 2020, 03:55:12 AM
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things.  ^-^

Help me rab: up! up! up!  ^-^
Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.

courage is to defend what it known right against the world. can I do this? Yes. the rest is no problem. the rest happens spontaneously.

Still your map is not accurate.
No, it is. Your baseless denying does not magically make it not accurate.

Every airline route works perfect on the globe model. You can even project the route of an airline correctly on your map. Also are the distances accurate both ways? I don't think so, since your map is based on flight-times.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 04:35:00 AM
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things.  ^-^

Help me rab: up! up! up!  ^-^
Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.

courage is to defend what it known right against the world. can I do this? Yes. the rest is no problem. the rest happens spontaneously.

Still your map is not accurate.
No, it is. Your baseless denying does not magically make it not accurate.

Every airline route works perfect on the globe model. You can even project the route of an airline correctly on your map. Also are the distances accurate both ways? I don't think so, since your map is based on flight-times.

Nope. You don't know what is the meaning of perfect.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/mRl8L1.png)

I can show you tens of examples like this one. Why? Because the distance shown in the map is shorter than reality, no way but showing it by this way.

Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!

Click here and select any of those flights. YoU'll see always a nonsence route.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=RCTP&destination=ZSPD

Now, don't play with me "globe is perfect" game anymore. If globe would be perfect we would not be here!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 04:57:57 AM
Nope. You don't know what is the meaning of perfect.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/mRl8L1.png)

I can show you tens of examples like this one. Why? Because the distance shown in the map is shorter than reality, no way but showing it by this way.

Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!
Wait, 2 questions Wise.

1 - Looking at flight paths like this, how did you think that flight routes would be a reliable manner to measure distance from different cities in the world?

2 - Do you know all the circumstances around why that particular route was chosen?
Have you considered any of the following
- the fact that different planes have different speeds.
- high altitude winds.
- any weather effects.
- city altitude.
- flight path.
- flight profile.
- holding patterns and airport traffic.
- no fly zones (of which China has many)

Unless you have calculated each flight after correcting for these things, there is zero chance your map has any accuracy.

A plane can easily fly for an additional 30-45 min in a holding pattern over a city throwing your map off by hundreds to thousands of km, especially in congested airports.

Anyway, on the globe map those 2 points are about 700km apart.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 05:10:11 AM
SO Wise. I dont know when you took that screen shot. But there is a huge ass storm coming in from the West between Taiwan and China. If you are a plane you may want to avoid flying through a storm.


Clouds are an independent effect of the earth being round.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 05:10:50 AM
Nope. You don't know what is the meaning of perfect.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/mRl8L1.png)

I can show you tens of examples like this one. Why? Because the distance shown in the map is shorter than reality, no way but showing it by this way.

Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!
Wait, 2 questions Wise.

1 - Looking at flight paths like this, how did you think that flight routes would be a reliable manner to measure distance from different cities in the world?

2 - Do you know all the circumstances around why that particular route was chosen?
Have you considered any of the following
- the fact that different planes have different speeds.
- high altitude winds.
- any weather effects.
- city altitude.
- flight path.
- flight profile.
- holding patterns and airport traffic.
- no fly zones (of which China has many)

Unless you have calculated each flight after correcting for these things, there is zero chance your map has any accuracy.

A plane can easily fly for an additional 30-45 min in a holding pattern over a city throwing your map off by hundreds to thousands of km, especially in congested airports.

Anyway, on the globe map those 2 points are about 700km apart.

Such problems did not reported about those path. Your imagination vs reality. I chose the reality. Give up to defend lies. Nothing can explain hundreds of flights between Shangai and Taiwan constantly uses same extraordinary route. Stop to produse excuses for your wrong map.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 05:12:45 AM
SO Wise. I dont know when you took that screen shot. But there is a huge ass storm coming in from the West between Taiwan and China. If you are a plane you may want to avoid flying through a storm.


Clouds are an independent effect of the earth being round.

I gave the link. Click any of link contain identify of plane. Open any of past flights below. You'll see all planes are using the pathes not required.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=RCTP&destination=ZSPD

Because the map is wrong. No excuses reported you mentioned. Stop to produse LIES! You can not correct the lies by more lying!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 05:25:47 AM
SO Wise. I dont know when you took that screen shot. But there is a huge ass storm coming in from the West between Taiwan and China. If you are a plane you may want to avoid flying through a storm.


Clouds are an independent effect of the earth being round.

I gave the link. Click any of link contain identify of plane. Open any of past flights below. You'll see all planes are using the pathes not required.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=RCTP&destination=ZSPD

Because the map is wrong. No excuses reported you mentioned. Stop to produse LIES! You can not correct the lies by more lying!
Yes, weather is now part of the giant conspiracy.

Explain why 20% of the flights on that link are canceled?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 05:30:53 AM
SO Wise. I dont know when you took that screen shot. But there is a huge ass storm coming in from the West between Taiwan and China. If you are a plane you may want to avoid flying through a storm.


Clouds are an independent effect of the earth being round.

I gave the link. Click any of link contain identify of plane. Open any of past flights below. You'll see all planes are using the pathes not required.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=RCTP&destination=ZSPD

Because the map is wrong. No excuses reported you mentioned. Stop to produse LIES! You can not correct the lies by more lying!
Yes, weather is now part of the giant conspiracy.

Explain why 20% of the flights on that link are canceled?

No you. You explain they have canceled by weather problems. And two questions:

- Are weather conditions are negative during 365 days a year? Are all days having a weather problem? Is not there a day with "PERFECT" weather?

And last: Is weather conditions affect negatively the route in other pathes like this one? Can you prove them by examining the weather statistics scientifically, or are you just making up these thoughts from your arse?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 11, 2020, 05:37:27 AM
Nope. You don't know what is the meaning of perfect.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/mRl8L1.png)

I can show you tens of examples like this one. Why? Because the distance shown in the map is shorter than reality, no way but showing it by this way.

Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!
Wait, 2 questions Wise.

1 - Looking at flight paths like this, how did you think that flight routes would be a reliable manner to measure distance from different cities in the world?

2 - Do you know all the circumstances around why that particular route was chosen?
Have you considered any of the following
- the fact that different planes have different speeds.
- high altitude winds.
- any weather effects.
- city altitude.
- flight path.
- flight profile.
- holding patterns and airport traffic.
- no fly zones (of which China has many)

Unless you have calculated each flight after correcting for these things, there is zero chance your map has any accuracy.

A plane can easily fly for an additional 30-45 min in a holding pattern over a city throwing your map off by hundreds to thousands of km, especially in congested airports.

Anyway, on the globe map those 2 points are about 700km apart.

Such problems did not reported about those path. Your imagination vs reality. I chose the reality. Give up to defend lies. Nothing can explain hundreds of flights between Shangai and Taiwan constantly uses same extraordinary route. Stop to produse excuses for your wrong map.

You deliberately ignore the option of No-Fly zones that MaNaeSWolf pointed out as one of the reasons why this route is like this. See this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Strait to see that there is a No-Fly zone located in the mentioned route
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 05:39:32 AM
Nope. You don't know what is the meaning of perfect.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/mRl8L1.png)

I can show you tens of examples like this one. Why? Because the distance shown in the map is shorter than reality, no way but showing it by this way.

Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!
Wait, 2 questions Wise.

1 - Looking at flight paths like this, how did you think that flight routes would be a reliable manner to measure distance from different cities in the world?

2 - Do you know all the circumstances around why that particular route was chosen?
Have you considered any of the following
- the fact that different planes have different speeds.
- high altitude winds.
- any weather effects.
- city altitude.
- flight path.
- flight profile.
- holding patterns and airport traffic.
- no fly zones (of which China has many)

Unless you have calculated each flight after correcting for these things, there is zero chance your map has any accuracy.

A plane can easily fly for an additional 30-45 min in a holding pattern over a city throwing your map off by hundreds to thousands of km, especially in congested airports.

Anyway, on the globe map those 2 points are about 700km apart.

Such problems did not reported about those path. Your imagination vs reality. I chose the reality. Give up to defend lies. Nothing can explain hundreds of flights between Shangai and Taiwan constantly uses same extraordinary route. Stop to produse excuses for your wrong map.

You deliberately ignore the option of No-Fly zones that MaNaeSWolf pointed out as one of the reasons why this route is like this. See this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Strait to see that there is a No-Fly zone located in the mentioned route

One of you are telling no fly zone but the other one is telling weather conditions. Which one? So you are denying the weather conditions are causing it, right? So wolfy may tell lie. But you are telling to support him. How is it possible in one hand you are denying his theory by offering another one and telling you are supporting him on the other hand. Whay a hypocrisy! Are you jackblack and rabinoz in fact?

Show the forbid flight zone and prove this path includes it by China national sources. Stop do empty! Make an agreement him, which you offer:

- Weather conditions?
- Forbidden zone?

Both? If so, prove! Stop to telling so and so!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 06:03:59 AM
You chose one of the most controversial air routes in the world for your example.

Now, unless you have lived with your head under a rock for the last 20 years (I apologize if you actually did, it would not be too shocking) But Taiwan and China are not the best of friends.
There is a lot of tension between especially as Taiwan is constantly in fear of being invaded by China.

Because of this there are set flight routes between the two countries. Specifically flight route M503.
read more here https://amti.csis.org/primer-m503-civil-aviation-asia/ (https://amti.csis.org/primer-m503-civil-aviation-asia/)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 06:07:04 AM
One of you are telling no fly zone but the other one is telling weather conditions. Which one? So you are denying the weather conditions are causing it, right? So wolfy may tell lie. But you are telling to support him. How is it possible in one hand you are denying his theory by offering another one and telling you are supporting him on the other hand. Whay a hypocrisy! Are you jackblack and rabinoz in fact?

Show the forbid flight zone and prove this path includes it by China national sources. Stop do empty! Make an agreement him, which you offer:

- Weather conditions?
- Forbidden zone?

Both? If so, prove! Stop to telling so and so!

I just provided links of the No Fly Zone above.
But it does not matter, it could be both, or it could be one. The results would be the same.

Stop deflecting.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 11, 2020, 06:47:08 AM
Here is a list off al no-fly zones in the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibited_airspace I think that you find some more flights that use a different route then you think
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 06:59:24 AM
Here is a list off al no-fly zones in the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibited_airspace I think that you find some more flights that use a different route then you think
This list is very incomplete.
It does not include my country, South Africa (which has many no fly areas)
North Korea
Iran
Iraq
India
China

Its basically the tip of the iceberg list.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 11, 2020, 08:03:23 AM
Here is a list off al no-fly zones in the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibited_airspace I think that you find some more flights that use a different route then you think
This list is very incomplete.
It does not include my country, South Africa (which has many no fly areas)
North Korea
Iran
Iraq
India
China

Its basically the tip of the iceberg list.
It isn't even complete for the countries it does have. Prohibited airspace is just part of it. There are many restricted and other airspaces used for training that they routinely route civilian traffic around. But for some of that airspace (like the Warning areas over the gulf of Mexico) if it is not in use then they will open it up temporarily.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on February 11, 2020, 09:07:26 AM
How do millions of people get where they're going, every day, using the established globe maps?

How many would get where they're going using the "wise map"?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 11, 2020, 11:56:53 AM
Nope. You don't know what is the meaning of perfect.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/mRl8L1.png)

I can show you tens of examples like this one. Why? Because the distance shown in the map is shorter than reality, no way but showing it by this way.

Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!
Wait, 2 questions Wise.

1 - Looking at flight paths like this, how did you think that flight routes would be a reliable manner to measure distance from different cities in the world?

2 - Do you know all the circumstances around why that particular route was chosen?
Have you considered any of the following
- the fact that different planes have different speeds.
- high altitude winds.
- any weather effects.
- city altitude.
- flight path.
- flight profile.
- holding patterns and airport traffic.
- no fly zones (of which China has many)

Unless you have calculated each flight after correcting for these things, there is zero chance your map has any accuracy.

A plane can easily fly for an additional 30-45 min in a holding pattern over a city throwing your map off by hundreds to thousands of km, especially in congested airports.

Anyway, on the globe map those 2 points are about 700km apart.

Such problems did not reported about those path. Your imagination vs reality. I chose the reality. Give up to defend lies. Nothing can explain hundreds of flights between Shangai and Taiwan constantly uses same extraordinary route. Stop to produse excuses for your wrong map.

You deliberately ignore the option of No-Fly zones that MaNaeSWolf pointed out as one of the reasons why this route is like this. See this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Strait to see that there is a No-Fly zone located in the mentioned route

One of you are telling no fly zone but the other one is telling weather conditions. Which one? So you are denying the weather conditions are causing it, right? So wolfy may tell lie. But you are telling to support him. How is it possible in one hand you are denying his theory by offering another one and telling you are supporting him on the other hand. Whay a hypocrisy! Are you jackblack and rabinoz in fact?

Show the forbid flight zone and prove this path includes it by China national sources. Stop do empty! Make an agreement him, which you offer:

- Weather conditions?
- Forbidden zone?

Both? If so, prove! Stop to telling so and so!

I overlaid the Taiwan Strait no fly (forbidden) zone on top of the flight path you referenced. And it looks like a match. You should pick a different flight that isn't impacted by such a thing:

(https://i.imgur.com/VISF0d0.png)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 11, 2020, 12:13:30 PM
courage is to defend what it known right against the world. can I do this?
Well technically you could do that. The problem is you seem to choose not to and instead outright fight against what is known to be right.
You completely reject any part of reality that shows you are wrong.

Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!
And that isn't perfect, it is nonsense.
Flights typically don't fly in straight lines. Especially when they go over countries.

You completely ignore the massive errors associated with the distance you would calculate and have in no way shown that it wouldn't work on a globe. Any time a flight is too far out to fit on your broken map you just reject it.

I chose the reality. Give up to defend lies. Nothing can explain hundreds of flights between Shangai and Taiwan constantly uses same extraordinary route. Stop to produse excuses for your wrong map.
No, you chose to reject reality. Stop making up excuses for your failed map.
The routes are easily explained if you understand air corridors.

Show the forbid flight zone and prove this path includes it by China national sources. Stop do empty! Make an agreement him, which you offer:
Don't try and shift the burden of proof.
You demonstrate that there should be nothing stopping the plane flying straight to its destination.

If you can't, your method is useless as it relies upon wild speculation.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 09:29:39 PM
I overlaid the Taiwan Strait no fly (forbidden) zone on top of the flight path you referenced. And it looks like a match. You should pick a different flight that isn't impacted by such a thing:

(https://i.imgur.com/VISF0d0.png)
Thanks Stash, you did what I did not even bother to do.

It also gives additional evidence that Wise has not considered ANY factors other than flight times in his "map".

He needs to look at the flight paths for each and every one of his supposed 100k flights.
Then he needs to look at
- the fact that different planes have different speeds
- high altitude winds
- any weather effects
- city altitude
- flight profile
- holding patterns and airport traffic
So right now he has looked at zero flights.

His map is worthless
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 09:39:41 PM
BS supports BS. Prove what does prevent the red line instead?

(https://i.hizliresim.com/YVPlqz.png)

No mountain, no altitude, no FIR, no forbid zone. Why so lie?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 10:00:33 PM
BS supports BS. Prove what does prevent the red line instead?

(https://i.hizliresim.com/YVPlqz.png)

No mountain, no altitude, no FIR, no forbid zone. Why so lie?
If you read the article, its because they have to enter within certain defined corridors or Taiwan could confuse the plane with a Chinese fighter and shoot it down.

You need to read.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 11, 2020, 10:11:30 PM
BS supports BS. Prove what does prevent the red line instead?

(https://i.hizliresim.com/YVPlqz.png)

No mountain, no altitude, no FIR, no forbid zone. Why so lie?

You might want to do more research into no fly (forbidden) zones, air defense territories, and consequent flight paths. I overlaid the air defense identification zones (ADIZs) in the airspace over the East China Sea on top of the route. You can see why the Taiwan flight would veer out of China's ADIZ quite quickly in order to stay within the overlapping Taiwan ADIZ. It all makes sense when you look at the flight path and how it fits within the no fly zones:

(https://i.imgur.com/6hOBN4N.png)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 10:27:20 PM
This is possible by this way:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/PG3ol9.png)

Now our aircraft has entered same zones just by using a better route.

next lie!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 11, 2020, 10:31:15 PM
This is possible by this way:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/BGX0Lg.png)

Now our aircraft has entered same zones just by using a better route.

next lie!

Sure, it's possible. But it just looks like to me as soon as they get north past the strait's no fly zone, they make a hard left to get back into the Taiwan ONLY ADIZ that is not shared with China's.  Which, when you think about it, makes sense.

You should probably bring up an example that isn't a part of hotly contested territories with ADIZ's and such. Your example here is not working in your benefit.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 10:35:24 PM
This is possible by this way:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/agqDzz.png)

next lie!
They decided that their route was best based on hundreds of different factors. And you want every one of those things explained to you? What did your last slave die of?

What we have very clearly shown you is that there are a lot of factors involved when deciding flight routes, and simply taking flight times into consideration is not a good measure of how far things are.

The world is a complicated place with many cross border agreements, fighting, unions, politics, climate, geographical elements, legal, physical constraints, concerns for safety ext that all need to be accounted for when designing flight routes.
Pilots dont just jump behind a cockpit and ask the passengers where they wanna go.

Please, for your sake, contact a local flight school or air charter, and ask if you can sit down and interview a pilot and ask him about these things. Better, ask him if he can bring a flight chart and copy of a flight plan with. Then ask him all these questions. You clearly dont trust us here, so take it to someone neutral.

Pilots are generally nice people, just keep away from young Air force guys, in my experience they all think they are Tom Cruise.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 10:35:47 PM
This is possible by this way:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/BGX0Lg.png)

Now our aircraft has entered same zones just by using a better route.

next lie!

Sure, it's possible. But it just looks like to me as soon as they get north past the strait's no fly zone, they make a hard left to get back into the Taiwan ONLY ADIZ that is not shared with China's.  Which, when you think about it, makes sense.

You should probably bring up an example that isn't a part of hotly contested territories with ADIZ's and such. Your example here is not working in your benefit.

To be clear, your map was not convincing at all. I don't believe Taiwan controls air space of a part of China.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 11, 2020, 10:40:12 PM
They decided that their route was best based on hundreds of different factors. And you want every one of those things explained to you? What did your last slave die of?

What we have very clearly shown you is that there are a lot of factors involved when deciding flight routes, and simply taking flight times into consideration is not a good measure of how far things are.
I told I don't want to talk you anymore because you are not sincere at all acting alt of angry globalists here, targetin me with an anger.

You are missing all the point that how we came this conclusion. It has started bright's claim:

Every airline route works perfect on the globe model.

Your crime partner told every routes perfect and now you are talking about severe factors affect the routes to explain why they are not perfect!

So, as a result, you have some excuses to explain your unperfect routes. So, why so ambitious talking?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 11, 2020, 10:40:41 PM
This is possible by this way:
https://i.hizliresim.com/PG3ol9.png (https://i.hizliresim.com/PG3ol9.png)
Now our aircraft has entered same zones just by using a better route.
So YOU say!
When you are an expert at air safety and diplomatic relations you might be qualified to decide such things.
Until then keep your nose out of things you don't understand!

Now for once in your life admit that you are wrong about your silly "Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airline".
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 10:43:12 PM
I don't believe Taiwan controls air space of a part of China.
They dont, air space is hotly contested there all the time. Hint, The whole South China Sea is a political hot spot.

The person who is able to and threatens to shoot down a plane however, controls that airspace.
Same applies literally everywhere.

China and Taiwan are not friendly to each other, China literally wants to invade Taiwan and sanctions any country that considers Taiwan a independent state, including the USA.

So they have some agreements to avoid accidentally shooting down civilian aircraft. Each flight to and from China and Taiwan have to be agreed on before hand, this is why its near impossible to know all the factors that go into these flight paths.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 11, 2020, 11:00:48 PM
Wise's calculations vs the world at large.

It is battle worthy of bards' songs.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 11, 2020, 11:02:30 PM
This is possible by this way:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/BGX0Lg.png)

Now our aircraft has entered same zones just by using a better route.

next lie!

Sure, it's possible. But it just looks like to me as soon as they get north past the strait's no fly zone, they make a hard left to get back into the Taiwan ONLY ADIZ that is not shared with China's.  Which, when you think about it, makes sense.

You should probably bring up an example that isn't a part of hotly contested territories with ADIZ's and such. Your example here is not working in your benefit.

To be clear, your map was not convincing at all. I don't believe Taiwan controls air space of a part of China.

It's not my map. It's the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) map.

Like I said, you would be better served using flight examples that don't have to navigate through hotly contested air defense no fly zones. Something that this example makes painfully obvious.

As has already been pointed out to you, there are myriad reasons why a flight route may not appear as direct as it could be. You just happened to pick a terrible example for your cause that actually, simply, shows how disputed political boundaries affect air travel, not the shape of the earth.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 11, 2020, 11:36:26 PM
Like I said, you would be better served using flight examples that don't have to navigate through hotly contested air defense no fly zones. Something that this example makes painfully obvious.

As has already been pointed out to you, there are myriad reasons why a flight route may not appear as direct as it could be. You just happened to pick a terrible example for your cause that actually, simply, shows how disputed political boundaries affect air travel, not the shape of the earth.
Try wise on a flight from New Delhi to Beijing. Why didn't it take a shorter route ????
(https://i.postimg.cc/dVTVTZMR/Flight-Aware-Air-China-947.png) (https://postimg.cc/0zPsTQyr)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 11, 2020, 11:42:43 PM
Like I said, you would be better served using flight examples that don't have to navigate through hotly contested air defense no fly zones. Something that this example makes painfully obvious.

As has already been pointed out to you, there are myriad reasons why a flight route may not appear as direct as it could be. You just happened to pick a terrible example for your cause that actually, simply, shows how disputed political boundaries affect air travel, not the shape of the earth.
Try wise on a flight from New Delhi to Beijing. Why didn't it take a shorter route ????
(https://i.postimg.cc/dVTVTZMR/Flight-Aware-Air-China-947.png) (https://postimg.cc/0zPsTQyr)

An interesting bit I found. Flights originating in Taiwan to China follow that circuitous flight path that keeps them in uncontested Taiwanese air defense space for as long as possible. However, if you look at flights originating in China to Taiwan, those flight paths are put en route via Chinese air defense space for as long as possible. That South China Sea basin is one heavily contested area for sure:

(https://i.imgur.com/WjdQuyU.png)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 11:50:15 PM
An interesting bit I found. Flights originating in Taiwan to China follow that circuitous flight path that keeps them in uncontested Taiwanese air defense space for as long as possible. However, if you look at flights originating in China to Taiwan, those flight paths are put en route via Chinese air defense space for as long as possible. That South China Sea basin is one heavily contested area for sure:

(https://i.imgur.com/WjdQuyU.png)

That is cool, good find Stash.
I would love to see what other confusing routes exist.
I know Russia has some weird air space, so maybe they have some odd routes
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 11, 2020, 11:58:47 PM
BS supports BS. Prove what does prevent the red line instead?
How about the air corridors in China?
How about what has already been brought up?

Again, you are trying to argue without any significant information.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 12, 2020, 12:02:37 AM
An interesting bit I found. Flights originating in Taiwan to China follow that circuitous flight path that keeps them in uncontested Taiwanese air defense space for as long as possible. However, if you look at flights originating in China to Taiwan, those flight paths are put en route via Chinese air defense space for as long as possible. That South China Sea basin is one heavily contested area for sure:

(https://i.imgur.com/WjdQuyU.png)
If you're flying a commercial plane you do what the military tells you - or else, this:
Quote from: This Day in History
Korean Airlines flight shot down by Soviet Union, September 01, 1983 (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/korean-airlines-flight-shot-down-by-soviet-union)
Soviet jet fighters intercept a Korean Airlines passenger flight in Russian airspace and shoot the plane down, killing 269 passengers and crewmembers. The incident dramatically increased tensions between the Soviet Union and the United States.
The New Delhi to Beijing flight takes the long way around to avoid terrain, the Himalayas and Tibet.
"The average altitude on the Tibetan Plateau is 4,500 meters/ 14,750 ft."
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 12, 2020, 12:14:04 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/gjOTNeV.png)
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL2036/history/20200211/1825Z/UUEE/LROP (https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL2036/history/20200211/1825Z/UUEE/LROP)

Does anybody want to guess why Moscow to Bucharest avoids flying through Ukraine?
Flat Earth?
Or real world political issues between Russia and Ukraine?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 12, 2020, 12:18:22 AM
This is even Better.


Wise, can you explain why the plane would almost fly in a circle to get to its destination if it was not for political reasons?


(https://i.imgur.com/tLRMDJK.png)


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL1844/history/20200211/1930Z/UUEE/LUKK (https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL1844/history/20200211/1930Z/UUEE/LUKK)


Are you yet ready to accept that flight paths are a terrible way to determine distance?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 12, 2020, 12:48:44 AM
What a perfect map.  ^-^

(https://i.hizliresim.com/agqD95.png)

This one is going from China to China. You can not talk about international flight zones. I guess China does not prevent China to use its air zone. Pilots fliying this route are constantly drawing two edges of rectangle, instead of a direct line equal to hypotenuse. Maybe you globalists should teach Chinese pilots the geometry.  ^-^

Link: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES2112/history/20200210/0720Z/ZBAA/ZLXY

(https://i.hizliresim.com/DGXRL6.png)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 12, 2020, 01:01:27 AM
This one is going from China to China. You can not talk about international flight zones.
But you can talk about air corridors.

I guess China does not prevent China to use its air zone.
No, they do.
Most planes are restricted to specific air corridors, especially over land.

Pilots fliying this route are constantly drawing two edges of rectangle
Almost like there are a grid of corridors they are restricted to fly in.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 12, 2020, 01:04:29 AM
This one is going from China to China. You can not talk about international flight zones. I guess China does not prevent China to use its air zone. Pilots fliying this route are constantly drawing two edges of rectangle, instead of a direct line equal to hypotenuse. Maybe you globalists should teach Chinese pilots the geometry.  ^-^
Again, as you have now been told about a million times. There are a lot of reasons why flights dont go directly from one spot to the next.
We just showed you a couple, and there are probably millions more.

If your goal is to become an expert at flight path planning and international air law, I can suggest starting off by chatting to an actual pilot.
Then go learn to fly a plane.
Then fly about a 1000 hours after which you can do your Com Air licence
Then start studying international air law (remember each country has its own laws)
Then you will finally have the grasp of the basics of the topic.

All you are doing is proving that using flight paths is an unreliable way to measure distance on a map.
You are actually proving that your map is not ever going to work.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 12, 2020, 01:25:41 AM
What a perfect map.  ^-^

(https://i.hizliresim.com/agqD95.png)

This one is going from China to China. You can not talk about international flight zones. I guess China does not prevent China to use its air zone. Pilots fliying this route are constantly drawing two edges of rectangle, instead of a direct line equal to hypotenuse. Maybe you globalists should teach Chinese pilots the geometry.  ^-^

Link: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES2112/history/20200210/0720Z/ZBAA/ZLXY

(https://i.hizliresim.com/DGXRL6.png)

Any number of reasons really. All of which have been spelled out already. Who knows really. This is a rather short flight using a smaller plane, an A321 regional jet. It's max speed on the flight was in the mid 350's mph, altitude, sub-30k feet. From overlaying the path on a topo map, looks like the route may aim to fly over as few mountain passes as possible and stay in line with major cities - Which planes tend to do, for emergencies and such.

(https://i.imgur.com/oJ46Bql.png)

You'd have to ask the pilot/airline why that corridor is commonly used, but I'm sure they have reasons. And I'm sure it's not because they are battling the shape of the earth.

You really need to up your game here. There are too many variables in commercial flight to strictly pin distances and conversely, there are too many variables to to discount the longer southern flights that don't fit into your model. I think a revamp/rework of your model is in order to be considered a viable alternative to what is used globally, successfully, 1000's times a day by 10,000's of people.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 12, 2020, 01:38:47 AM
This one is going from China to China. You can not talk about international flight zones. I guess China does not prevent China to use its air zone. Pilots fliying this route are constantly drawing two edges of rectangle, instead of a direct line equal to hypotenuse. Maybe you globalists should teach Chinese pilots the geometry.  ^-^
Again, as you have now been told about a million times. There are a lot of reasons why flights dont go directly from one spot to the next.
We just showed you a couple, and there are probably millions more.

If your goal is to become an expert at flight path planning and international air law, I can suggest starting off by chatting to an actual pilot.
Then go learn to fly a plane.
Then fly about a 1000 hours after which you can do your Com Air licence
Then start studying international air law (remember each country has its own laws)
Then you will finally have the grasp of the basics of the topic.

All you are doing is proving that using flight paths is an unreliable way to measure distance on a map.
You are actually proving that your map is not ever going to work.

I am not talking about proboblities or possiblities. I am giving you a direct evidence, hence you have to debunk it directly instead of bla bla.
You'd have to ask the pilot/airline why that corridor is commonly used, but I'm sure they have reasons. And I'm sure it's not because they are battling the shape of the earth.

Prove the sure evidences you are talking about instead of baseless claiming. I don't interest what you sure. Your being sure isn't an evidence and does not explain why these pilots constantly using wrong paths.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 12, 2020, 01:57:48 AM
Wise, all you have done is helped us prove that flight times is a bad way to measure distance.
You have given us direct evidence that flights can not and do not simply draw a direct line from point A to point B. Especially over land.
This would be even true if the world was flat.
Even if the world was Flat, this method would not work because you would STILL have all the issues we have mentioned.
Even in a flat world planes would have to plan their routes according to many many factors.

You have not given any evidence that air craft
A- Fly perfect direct routes (even if the world was flat)
B- Always maintain a perfect ground speed

Unless you can at least satisfy those claims you cant measure distance with their flight times.
Its simple geometry.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 12, 2020, 01:59:14 AM
You'd have to ask the pilot/airline why that corridor is commonly used, but I'm sure they have reasons. And I'm sure it's not because they are battling the shape of the earth.

Prove the sure evidences you are talking about instead of baseless claiming. I don't interest what you sure. Your being sure isn't an evidence and does not explain why these pilots constantly using wrong paths.

I already did with your first example between Taipei and Shanghai, decidedly so. All those even minded looking at the evidence would result in, "Yeah, political boundaries, no fly zones, China vs Taiwan, all makes sense..." So hardly a 'baseless claim'. The evidence is there. You provided none for whatever assertion you were trying to make.

As for the flight from Bejing to Xi'an, I don't know. I just simply proposed some of the more common reasons commercial airplanes don't always fly in a straight line. There are many.

Underlying all of this is that your research is flawed, I hate to say it. I mean is discounts all of the reasons a plane may divert, circle, avert danger, avert political boundaries, avert traffic, the whole gamut. It's just not scientific at all. I mean 1000's of people fly all of these routes everyday, 365, and here you are saying that they're all 'doing it wrong', just doesn't really stand up to scrutiny, sorry.

The "I can't fit a flight on my map means that the flight doesn't exist" thing just doesn't work anymore. You have to do way better. And research more. I did an hour or so of research on the Taipei and Shanghai flight you originally referenced and found out all the ways it works due to politics and territories (as did others). You should do deeper dives as well.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 12, 2020, 02:05:38 AM
Wise, all you have done is helped us prove that flight times is a bad way to measure distance.
You have given us direct evidence that flights can not and do not simply draw a direct line from point A to point B. Especially over land.
This would be even true if the world was flat.
Even if the world was Flat, this method would not work because you would STILL have all the issues we have mentioned.
Even in a flat world planes would have to plan their routes according to many many factors.

You have not given any evidence that air craft
A- Fly perfect direct routes (even if the world was flat)
B- Always maintain a perfect ground speed

Unless you can at least satisfy those claims you cant measure distance with their flight times.
Its simple geometry.

It is a direct line on the flat earth map. Because the distance shown on the map is wrong. The path perfectly overlaps with a flat earth map, my flat earth map.

You'd have to ask the pilot/airline why that corridor is commonly used, but I'm sure they have reasons. And I'm sure it's not because they are battling the shape of the earth.

Prove the sure evidences you are talking about instead of baseless claiming. I don't interest what you sure. Your being sure isn't an evidence and does not explain why these pilots constantly using wrong paths.

I already did with your first example between Taipei and Shanghai, decidedly so. All those even minded looking at the evidence would result in, "Yeah, political boundaries, no fly zones, China vs Taiwan, all makes sense..." So hardly a 'baseless claim'. The evidence is there. You provided none for whatever assertion you were trying to make.

As for the flight from Bejing to Xi'an, I don't know. I just simply proposed some of the more common reasons commercial airplanes don't always fly in a straight line. There are many.

Underlying all of this is that your research is flawed, I hate to say it. I mean is discounts all of the reasons a plane may divert, circle, avert danger, avert political boundaries, avert traffic, the whole gamut. It's just not scientific at all. I mean 1000's of people fly all of these routes everyday, 365, and here you are saying that they're all 'doing it wrong', just doesn't really stand up to scrutiny, sorry.

The "I can't fit a flight on my map means that the flight doesn't exist" thing just doesn't work anymore. You have to do way better. And research more. I did an hour or so of research on the Taipei and Shanghai flight you originally referenced and found out all the ways it works due to politics and territories (as did others). You should do deeper dives as well.

Nope. I did answered it by drawing a path isn't passing the borders. But you are denying it. Repeating same thing and your BS claims do not prove I don't reply you. Because you have not enough evidences repeating same wrong things. I do not have to repeatedly reply them. I have replied it for once and it has ended. If I want to continue, I can give you examples passing on those borders. But this is childish, because you have already an excuse; national borders, high mountains, a pregnant starts to born in every plane, a corona virus everytime forces plane come back,... etc. I don't use excuses like you do. This path is a straight line in a flat map and without using excuses.

Your desperate denying the fact attemps are triggering me to create a video about it and publish it in Believers forum and youtube.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 12, 2020, 02:12:59 AM
So just for clarity, in your mind, all aircraft

A - fly directly to their destination the second their wheels lift off the tarmac. Ignoring all international borders, military no fly zones, areas of conflict, missile testing areas, storms and mountains.
B - all aircraft have a consistent ground speed of 1000km/h regardless of the fact that they need to gain altitude before they can get to max cruise speed. Some may be smaller prop planes. Does not matter, they all have the exact speed.

is this what your saying?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 12, 2020, 02:26:22 AM
So just for clarity, in your mind, all aircraft

A - fly directly to their destination the second their wheels lift off the tarmac. Ignoring all international borders, military no fly zones, areas of conflict, missile testing areas, storms and mountains.
B - all aircraft have a consistent ground speed of 1000km/h regardless of the fact that they need to gain altitude before they can get to max cruise speed. Some may be smaller prop planes. Does not matter, they all have the exact speed.

is this what your saying?

Not quite. There are some situations where planes have to spend time on take-off and landing, and they vary for different airports. This effect is generally higher at short distances and proportionally less at long distances. basically there is no difference whether the place where an airplane passes over 10km height (above 30.000ft) is mountainous or sea level. proceeds directly on a route at a constant speed. Similar results appear in the thousands of cases I have studied. planes are not affected by high wind. Because the atmoplane is going to less when you go above hence the wind affects go to zero when you go above. however, since the departure and return routes are shown differently on the map, they note this as the opposite wind because they actually pass the same distance faster. whereas the effect of wind does not slow down the speed of an aircraft 10k meters high. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a vehicle. Although the plane slows down with the wind coming from the opposite direction, for example, its speed from 906 km / h decreases to 905 km / h. this is the effect. however, where maps are wrong, such as China, Russia, and Australia, one plane appears to be moving twice as fast as the other. To explain this, the first is said to move with the jetstream, the other is said to move against the wind. whereas all these distances are consistent and speeds are constant on a flat world map, as in real life.

In the first example above, you explained the faults of the routes with the forbidden air zone. For the second, you provided fictitious reasons. institutions that would lie with higher quality for direct reasons should have emerged.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 12, 2020, 02:36:42 AM
So just for clarity, in your mind, all aircraft

A - fly directly to their destination the second their wheels lift off the tarmac. Ignoring all international borders, military no fly zones, areas of conflict, missile testing areas, storms and mountains.
B - all aircraft have a consistent ground speed of 1000km/h regardless of the fact that they need to gain altitude before they can get to max cruise speed. Some may be smaller prop planes. Does not matter, they all have the exact speed.

is this what your saying?

Not quite. There are some situations where planes have to spend time on take-off and landing, and they vary for different airports. This effect is generally higher at short distances and proportionally less at long distances. basically there is no difference whether the place where an airplane passes over 10km height (above 30.000ft) is mountainous or sea level. proceeds directly on a route at a constant speed. Similar results appear in the thousands of cases I have studied. planes are not affected by high wind. Because the atmoplane is going to less when you go above hence the wind affects go to zero when you go above. however, since the departure and return routes are shown differently on the map, they note this as the opposite wind because they actually pass the same distance faster. whereas the effect of wind does not slow down the speed of an aircraft 10k meters high. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a vehicle. Although the plane slows down with the wind coming from the opposite direction, for example, its speed from 906 km / h decreases to 905 km / h. this is the effect. however, where maps are wrong, such as China, Russia, and Australia, one plane appears to be moving twice as fast as the other. To explain this, the first is said to move with the jetstream, the other is said to move against the wind. whereas all these distances are consistent and speeds are constant on a flat world map, as in real life.

In the first example above, you explained the faults of the routes with the forbidden air zone. For the second, you provided fictitious reasons. institutions that would lie with higher quality for direct reasons should have emerged.

You are making a false claim by saying that wind don't have any effect on the airplanes at high altitude. Please explain why there is a difference in the flight time between Europe and the USA and from the USA to Europe. This can be up to an hour difference. I am eager to read your explanation on this.

Wise, all you have done is helped us prove that flight times is a bad way to measure distance.
You have given us direct evidence that flights can not and do not simply draw a direct line from point A to point B. Especially over land.
This would be even true if the world was flat.
Even if the world was Flat, this method would not work because you would STILL have all the issues we have mentioned.
Even in a flat world planes would have to plan their routes according to many many factors.

You have not given any evidence that air craft
A- Fly perfect direct routes (even if the world was flat)
B- Always maintain a perfect ground speed

Unless you can at least satisfy those claims you cant measure distance with their flight times.
Its simple geometry.

It is a direct line on the flat earth map. Because the distance shown on the map is wrong. The path perfectly overlaps with a flat earth map, my flat earth map.


And here is the problem. You are assuming that all the flights are straight lines and there for 'created' a map based on this. While in the real world there is no straight flight lines as already pointed out many times. It is the same as saying that all the railroads are straight because of the distance between 2 stations and create a map on this data.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 12, 2020, 02:43:52 AM
HEHEHE
Are you still telling all flight routes perfectly fits with your so-called globe map, shamelesly while you know they actually arent?

Answer it; if they perfectly overlap so why do you use some excuses like borders, winds, etc so and so. You can, we can, anybody can create endless excuses to support a weak argument. What does it mean? Give up the evilness. Admit it does not overlap, because it has been proven above whether or not you agree.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 12, 2020, 02:51:03 AM
HEHEHE
Are you still telling all flight routes perfectly fits with your so-called globe map, shamelesly while you know they actually arent?

Answer it; if they perfectly overlap so why do you use some excuses like borders, winds, etc so and so. You can, we can, anybody can create endless excuses to support a weak argument. What does it mean? Give up the evilness. Admit it does not overlap, because it has been proven above whether or not you agree.

I admit that not all flights are perfectly fit on the globe map, due to weather conditions, no fly zones, political issues and everything that is written. However this doesn't mean that the flight distances are not correct! If you look to the flight from Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth these are real and fits the globe map. However on a FE map and even on your 'map' it doesn't make sense.

However you did not answer my question for the time difference when flying from Europe to the USA and back. And why you are thinking that an airplane is not effected by a high altitude wind!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 12, 2020, 03:08:00 AM
HEHEHE
Are you still telling all flight routes perfectly fits with your so-called globe map, shamelesly while you know they actually arent?

Answer it; if they perfectly overlap so why do you use some excuses like borders, winds, etc so and so. You can, we can, anybody can create endless excuses to support a weak argument. What does it mean? Give up the evilness. Admit it does not overlap, because it has been proven above whether or not you agree.

I admit that not all flights are perfectly fit on the globe map, due to weather conditions, no fly zones, political issues and everything that is written. However this doesn't mean that the flight distances are not correct! If you look to the flight from Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth these are real and fits the globe map. However on a FE map and even on your 'map' it doesn't make sense.

However you did not answer my question for the time difference when flying from Europe to the USA and back. And why you are thinking that an airplane is not effected by a high altitude wind!

Thanks for sincerety. I want to invite you to the game of our society, werepenguin, it is here: (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84790.0) If you want to enter it, I'll be glad to accept you get in.

I have answered this question above before you have return here. As the altitude increases, the frequency of the atmosplane decreases. No matter how severe the winds at 30,000ft altitude, the effect will be less as its density decreases. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a car. All those wind affect can not speed up or down a plane more than 1km/h in 1000km/h. But the globalists accept them as jet streams and impacts two hours in a route. This is literally impossibly. Imagine you're running against the wind. How much does the wind affect you? really little. and an airplane is much heavier than you and the relative impact of the wind will be much less.

Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth flights are different. There isn't any verified evidence about the route Sydney to Santiago. We have numerously discussed this, this is a very important issue but yet not a real evidence provided other than Qantas's baseless claims. Johannesburg to Perth flights flight time is wrong and those flights are not reliable. Those flight times are completely made up.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 12, 2020, 03:22:29 AM
HEHEHE
Are you still telling all flight routes perfectly fits with your so-called globe map?
Yes, Mr Wise, "all flight routes perfectly fits with the globe map" when the necessary deviations due to:
are correctly accounted for.

Quote from: wise
Answer it; if they perfectly overlap so why do you use some excuses like borders, winds, etc so and so. You can, we can, anybody can create endless excuses to support a weak argument. What does it mean?
Things "like borders, winds, etc" are not excuses but are simply facts that airlines have to accept.

And airlines have to plan what to do in the case of a high altitude loss of cabin pressure. If the plane cannot descend to a safe altitude passengers might be injured or die.
So normal passenger flights must be able to descend to below 10,000 feet in less than 15 minutes.

One example of a deviation caused by this restriction is the New Delhi to Beijing flight, Air China 947, that avoided the Himalayas and Tibet because the average altitude of the Tibetan plateau is over 14,000 ft - far above the normal 10,000 ft limit for a non-pressurized passenger jet.

So, Wise, please learn to face these simple facts!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 12, 2020, 03:41:47 AM
I have answered this question above before you have return here. As the altitude increases, the frequency of the atmosplane decreases. No matter how severe the winds at 30,000ft altitude, the effect will be less as its density decreases. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a car. All those wind affect can not speed up or down a plane more than 1km/h in 1000km/h. But the globalists accept them as jet streams and impacts two hours in a route. This is literally impossibly. Imagine you're running against the wind. How much does the wind affect you? really little. and an airplane is much heavier than you and the relative impact of the wind will be much less.

Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth flights are different. There isn't any verified evidence about the route Sydney to Santiago. We have numerously discussed this, this is a very important issue but yet not a real evidence provided other than Qantas's baseless claims. Johannesburg to Perth flights flight time is wrong and those flights are not reliable. Those flight times are completely made up.

The density that you mentioned has nothing to do with the high altitude wind. The fact is that there is flight time difference between Europe and the USA and vice versa. Which is real since I flew several times between these 2 continents. I think that you never make this flight? If you did then you can check it by yourself using your own watch.

Also the flight between Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth are real, just because this 'don't fit' to 'your map' doesn't make these are non existing flights.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 12, 2020, 03:54:44 AM
I have answered this question above before you have return here. As the altitude increases, the frequency of the atmosplane decreases. No matter how severe the winds at 30,000ft altitude, the effect will be less as its density decreases. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a car. All those wind affect can not speed up or down a plane more than 1km/h in 1000km/h. But the globalists accept them as jet streams and impacts two hours in a route. This is literally impossibly. Imagine you're running against the wind. How much does the wind affect you? really little. and an airplane is much heavier than you and the relative impact of the wind will be much less.

Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth flights are different. There isn't any verified evidence about the route Sydney to Santiago. We have numerously discussed this, this is a very important issue but yet not a real evidence provided other than Qantas's baseless claims. Johannesburg to Perth flights flight time is wrong and those flights are not reliable. Those flight times are completely made up.

The density that you mentioned has nothing to do with the high altitude wind. The fact is that there is flight time difference between Europe and the USA and vice versa. Which is real since I flew several times between these 2 continents. I think that you never make this flight? If you did then you can check it by yourself using your own watch.

Also the flight between Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth are real, just because this 'don't fit' to 'your map' doesn't make these are non existing flights.

But, but you have gave two routes to me, Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth. And you have not mentioned time difference between Europe and America. Now you are puting forward it and blaming me. I have not denied time difference west-east and e-w flights. I have not to verify it. This has been caused by map mistakes.

I have examined many suspicious flights which was long distance. Here is the topic about it: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82172.0

I can control those flights by examining the videos whether or not the flights are real. so, I can verify the flights between Far East Asia and Europe, Far Asia and North America, Europe and North America,  Europe and South America and many others. You and some other globalists are claiming routes south America- Australia possible but have not an evidence other than claims of aircraft companies and their crime partners. We have not to accept it because you have not evidence. Your focring it to repeating it does not mean anything other than crying.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 12, 2020, 03:57:24 AM
Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth flights are different. There isn't any verified evidence about the route Sydney to Santiago.
Incorrect!
The Sydney to Santiago route is regularly flown by Qantas and Latam Airlines, usually as a "codeshare".
Millions of passengers have flown that route!
Then New Zealand Airlines also flies non–stop from Aukland to Buenos Aries.

Your denying these does not change the facts one iota!

Quote from: wise
We have numerously discussed this,
No, we have not discussed! You have falsely claimed these things!
Quote from: wise
this is a very important issue but yet not a real evidence provided other than Qantas's baseless claims. Johannesburg to Perth flights flight time is wrong and those flights are not reliable. Those flight times are completely made up.
Rubbish! Your claims mean nothing!
Qantas flies non-stop Sydney to/from Johannesburg and South African Airlines fly non-stop Johannesburg to/from Perth - get used to it!

I showed the video where Greater Sapien (Jerry Williams) flew non-stop from Sydney to Johannesburg.
Here again!

GreaterSapien - The Day The Sun Stood Still

- QF63 SYD-JNB by WheresWa11y
       
Greater Sapien - Sydney to Johannessburg

(start @0:50)      by Jesse Kozlowski
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 12, 2020, 04:09:40 AM
I am not talking about proboblities or possiblities. I am giving you a direct evidence, hence you have to debunk it directly instead of bla bla.
No, you are not giving direct evidence.
You are giving wishy-washy garbage.

You are not showing any problem with a RE.
The flight is still completely possible on a RE.

Prove the sure evidences you are talking about instead of baseless claiming.
Follow your own advice.
Prove the "evidence" you are claiming, instead of repeating the same baseless claims.

Because the atmoplane is going to less when you go above hence the wind affects go to zero when you go above.
Plane need air to fly. They fly at speeds relative to the air. Wind effects them dramatically.

In order for the wind to have no effect (other than no wind), their can't be any air, which would mean the plane can't fly.

however, where maps are wrong, such as China, Russia, and Australia, one plane appears to be moving twice as fast as the other. To explain this, the first is said to move with the jetstream, the other is said to move against the wind. whereas all these distances are consistent and speeds are constant on a flat world map, as in real life.
No, they aren't.
By pretending the planes only fly in a straight line and aren't affected by wind, you need to have the times for both directions of a trip be the same, but that is pretty much never the case.

Look at almost any route and you will see a significant difference in time. For example, London to NY and vice versa.
Flight from London to NY takes roughly 8 hours:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW183/history/20200211/1955Z/EGLL/KJFK

But going back the other way typically takes 6.5 hours:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW182/history/20200212/0420Z/KJFK/EGLL

How do you explain this?
It makes no sense at all with what you claim.

If what you claim is true, the wind should have no effect and the planes should fly a basically direct route and thus take the same amount of time.

So by using your nonsense claims, we arrive at a contradiction and thus show your claims are wrong.

If you wish to disagree, how do you explain the time differences?
Or perhaps even simpler, what is the distance between London and NY, and how did you determine that?

Are you still telling all flight routes perfectly fits with your so-called globe map, shamelesly while you know they actually arent?
Can you provide a single flight where they don't fit?
Not a case of they aren't taking a straight line route, but a flight which is impossible on a globe?
I am yet to see any.

Answer it; if they perfectly overlap so why do you use some excuses like borders, winds, etc so and so. You can, we can, anybody can create endless excuses to support a weak argument. What does it mean? Give up the evilness. Admit it does not overlap, because it has been proven above whether or not you agree.
And how about you do the same for the London<->NY route I provided? Admit they don't overlap and your claims are garbage.

Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth flights are different. There isn't any verified evidence about the route Sydney to Santiago.
Stop lying.
There are mountains of evidence that these flights exist.
You not liking the evidence and deciding to reject it doesn't magically change that.

I have not denied time difference west-east and e-w flights.
But your argument relies upon it.
If there are these differences, there is no basis for your map as you cannot simply say a flight taking x time will be because of a distance of y.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 12, 2020, 04:43:08 AM
Quote from: wise
As the altitude increases, the frequency of the atmosplane decreases. No matter how severe the winds at 30,000ft altitude, the effect will be less as its density decreases. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a car. All those wind affect can not speed up or down a plane more than 1km/h in 1000km/h.

Looks like a deny to me. So please explain why there is a difference in flight time between east-west and west-east if it is not the wind that causes this.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 12, 2020, 05:21:15 AM
Quote from: wise
As the altitude increases, the frequency of the atmosplane decreases. No matter how severe the winds at 30,000ft altitude, the effect will be less as its density decreases. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a car. All those wind affect can not speed up or down a plane more than 1km/h in 1000km/h.

Looks like a deny to me. So please explain why there is a difference in flight time between east-west and west-east if it is not the wind that causes this.

Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible. Secondly, the reason is mistakes of maps.

Maps have been created from west to east, inother say left to right. Map is completely wrong, but it is more true considering west-east than east-west. Since the map was prepared from left to right, the existing errors were tried to be corrected from left to right. however, it is impossible to correct in either direction. therefore, the map is wrong from left to right in terms of flight routes, but slightly wrong. the right-to-left map is much more wrong. this is not the case in europe. In Europe, the flight time is equal in east-west and west-east directions. As long as distance increases, the mistakes on the map increases hence occurs time differences.

but where the map is wrong, there is even a difference between, for example, west and east of australia or west and east of the usa.it is impossible to correct all errors but can be reduced. and this preference was chosen from west to east, that is, from the left to right, which is our direction of writing. Since the maps are written in this direction.

I hope no more questions will be required to ask.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 12, 2020, 05:27:26 AM
If wind does not effect aircraft, explain this video.

(http://)


There are hundreds of videos of wind effecting aircraft wildly because aircraft fly relative to the air.
And if the air is moving, so does the plane.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 12, 2020, 05:30:24 AM
I hope no more questions will be required to ask.
Wise, your map is so wildly out of place, and your method of creating it is so suspect that I am completely shocked to think that there wont be any more questions.

Great claims require great evidence.

You are making a lot of great claims, so you need to provide a heck of a lot of evidence and explaination
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 12, 2020, 05:58:39 AM
Quote from: wise
As the altitude increases, the frequency of the atmosplane decreases. No matter how severe the winds at 30,000ft altitude, the effect will be less as its density decreases. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a car. All those wind affect can not speed up or down a plane more than 1km/h in 1000km/h.

Looks like a deny to me. So please explain why there is a difference in flight time between east-west and west-east if it is not the wind that causes this.

Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible. Secondly, the reason is mistakes of maps.

Maps have been created from west to east, inother say left to right. Map is completely wrong, but it is more true considering west-east than east-west. Since the map was prepared from left to right, the existing errors were tried to be corrected from left to right. however, it is impossible to correct in either direction. therefore, the map is wrong from left to right in terms of flight routes, but slightly wrong. the right-to-left map is much more wrong. this is not the case in europe. In Europe, the flight time is equal in east-west and west-east directions. As long as distance increases, the mistakes on the map increases hence occurs time differences.

but where the map is wrong, there is even a difference between, for example, west and east of australia or west and east of the usa.it is impossible to correct all errors but can be reduced. and this preference was chosen from west to east, that is, from the left to right, which is our direction of writing. Since the maps are written in this direction.

I hope no more questions will be required to ask.

Still no clarification of the approx. 2 Hrs flight difference between Europe and the USA and vice versa which is real and you confirmed this. You can not 'blame' this on so called 'map errors'. Beside how can it be that an error works only in one direction? If there is an error then this error should be the same in both errors.

And your claim that only in Europe the flight distances are correct is false. Based on your false claim all the national flights in the USA should not be correct as in Australia, South America, Canada, Africa, China, Russia etc. Guess what? All the flight distances are correct in all these continents and Countries. No errors!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on February 12, 2020, 09:11:58 AM
Wait, are you saying that a map route in one direction is completely wrong, but the same route in the opposite direction is only a little wrong???

I must say, this thread is very entertaining!!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 12, 2020, 11:01:47 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on February 12, 2020, 11:06:53 AM
Quite simply, if the air is not dense enough for wind to effect ground speed, then it's not dense enough to provide aerodynamic lift.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 12, 2020, 11:58:33 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
If you wish to assert it is impossible, then prove it.
So far all the evidence is against you. But that is typical for you.

Secondly, the reason is mistakes of maps.
Again, your argument relies upon it not being the case and instead that planes fly directly to their destination, following a straight line.
That has been your argument against the flights involving China.
If they aren't straight lines and instead the path is more complex for whatever reason, then all your mapping efforts based upon flight times are garbage.

And now you really have gotten yourself into an impossible place.
The only way out is to admit your mapping efforts are garbage.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 12, 2020, 01:36:45 PM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay.
Sorry, but that is totally incorrect!
It does not matter that the air density at 35,000 feet (10,000 metres) is only 30% that at sea-level.

Aircraft fly in the air and they fly at a cruising speed relative to the air around them.
So the ground speed is their airspeed plus the component of wind speed in the direction that they are flying.

Hence if an aircraft has a tail-wind of 150 km/hr and an airspeed of 900 km/hr (eg a Boeing 787) the ground speed is 1050 km/hr.

Did you read this:
Quote from: by Jason Samenow and Andrew Freedman
Roaring jet stream powers British Airways flight from New York to London in under 5 hours, an unofficial record (https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/02/09/british-air-record-flight-speed-atlantic/)
The Boeing 747 hit a maximum estimated ground speed of 825 mph (almost 1328 km/hr)
Four hours and 56 minutes. That’s all the time it took for British Airways Flight 112 to fly from New York’s JFK International Airport to London Heathrow early Sunday. According to the flight-tracking service Flightradar24, the sub-five-hour flight broke the previous transatlantic record of 5 hours 13 minutes between New York and London.

A rip-roaring jet stream at more than 260 mph (418 km/hr) turbocharged the trans-Atlantic British Airways flight, which departed New York at 6:20 p.m. and landed in London at 4:43 a.m. Sunday, nearly two hours ahead of schedule.

(https://i.postimg.cc/t4vYM6TY/Flight-Radar24-BA112-Feb-8-2020.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Look what a strong tail-wind can do!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 12, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
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(https://i.postimg.cc/t4vYM6TY/Flight-Radar24-BA112-Feb-8-2020.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)[/size]
Look what a strong tail-wind can do!
And the flight in the opposite direction takes more than 8 hours.
I wonder why?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 12, 2020, 11:18:40 PM
If wind does not effect aircraft, explain this video.


Shortest Landing!!! Severe Headwind! Aircraft hovers and vertically touches down!
There are hundreds of videos of wind effecting aircraft wildly because aircraft fly relative to the air.
And if the air is moving, so does the plane.
Amazing! The plane doesn't roll a centimetre!

PS Just paste the video url "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vP13XPMNfc" with nothing around it
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 13, 2020, 12:33:28 AM
Amazing! The plane doesn't roll a centimetre!

PS Just paste the video url "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vP13XPMNfc" with nothing around it
Is there a place where all the editing tips are in one spot.
But seriously, sometimes my editing works and sometimes it does not work.
I have turned my adblocker off, and things have actually improved. But I still get the occasionally [font] label that chimes in every now and then
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on February 13, 2020, 02:54:32 AM

A couple of interesting and relevant articles that popped into my in box this morning, the first from the people at Spaceweather.com who do research into (amongst other things) the amount of cosmic radiation encountered on commercial air flights, (https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2020/02/11/surfing-the-jet-stream-reduces-aviation-radiation/) this article linking that research with the BA flight 112’s record flight and the amount of radiation saved by surfing the jet stream and mentioning however the net gain over a return flight. And embedded in that a study of Transatlantic flight times and climate change (https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/2/024008) charting the rise and doing the math on the increase in the speed of the jet stream over the last few years, its link with climate change and the predicted continued increase and the effects on air travel times.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 13, 2020, 05:52:50 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 13, 2020, 06:17:46 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
You are saying that the wind has no influence, yet you don't answer the question of what causes the time difference between flights from Europe to the USA and from the USA to Europe. It is a fact that there is a time difference, and don't come that we are being fooled and there is no time difference between this, because there is.
So elaborate us with your answer.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: radioflat on February 13, 2020, 07:04:29 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.

You are an idiot... why is the flight less than 5 hours in one direction and 8 hours in the other direction?
Please answer that question.

(is it something to do with refraction of light?) ...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 13, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
These flight times are one of the weakest pros for FE I have witnessed. At least with other points of entry there are some angles one can find interesting, but to fight for FE based on completely no knowledge of commercial flight is a fragile position.

Again: Dunning-Kruger in the house, yo!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 13, 2020, 09:39:38 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 13, 2020, 12:21:14 PM
Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Again, follow your own advice.
You are the one baselessly claiming that planes magically fly towards their target in a straight line without any variation. You are the one claiming that planes aren't affected by wind.

The burden is on you to back up these baseless claims of yours.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 13, 2020, 12:35:31 PM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 13, 2020, 01:00:21 PM
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
Name ONE idiot flat Earther pilot who does not agree that wind affects the aircraft!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: markjo on February 13, 2020, 01:28:30 PM
Here's a flight that arrived almost 2 hours early thanks to winds:
Quote from: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a30856848/fastest-subsonic-flight-plane-speed/
    A fluke storm system sped up international flights to record-setting speeds.The flights were faster than the speed of sound, but didn't break the sound barrier because of surrounding wind speed.The top speed for a 747 is about 570 miles per hour (mph), and this flight topped out at 825 mph.

A British Airways plane has broken the record for fastest subsonic flight—by going faster than the speed of sound. The flight from New York to London arrived almost two hours early after a flight lasting 4 hours and 56 minutes. British Airways also just narrowly beat two Virgin Airways flights that took one minute and three minutes longer, respectively.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 13, 2020, 01:34:05 PM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 13, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
Well any flat Earther pilot that is not certain that wind affects the aircraft would be a dangerous pilot.
If wind does not effect aircraft, explain this video.


Shortest Landing!!! Severe Headwind! Aircraft hovers and vertically touches down!
There are hundreds of videos of wind effecting aircraft wildly because aircraft fly relative to the air.
And if the air is moving, so does the plane.
Anyone who denies that the wind affects aircraft has to be totally devoid of any sense!

Here's some more:

Storm Ciara - Dangerous Plane Landings 2020
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: markjo on February 13, 2020, 03:17:54 PM
Anyone who denies that the wind affects aircraft has to be totally devoid of any sense!
Or has never seen a wind tunnel.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 13, 2020, 11:08:53 PM
Anyone who denies that the wind affects aircraft has to be totally devoid of any sense!
Or has never seen a wind tunnel.

Or has never seen a plane. . .

Wise, have you even been on a plane?

Ever?

Even been to an airport?

Where you home schooled?

So many questions
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 13, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 13, 2020, 11:19:02 PM
Anyone who denies that the wind affects aircraft has to be totally devoid of any sense!
Or has never seen a wind tunnel.

Or has never seen a plane. . .

Wise, have you even been on a plane?

Ever?

Even been to an airport?

Where you home schooled?

So many questions
Yes.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 13, 2020, 11:25:54 PM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 13, 2020, 11:35:53 PM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 13, 2020, 11:58:25 PM
Or has never seen a plane. . .

Wise, have you even been on a plane?

Ever?

Even been to an airport?

Where you home schooled?

So many questions
Yes.
So you have been home schooled.

This does answer a lot.

Are you allowed to go outside?
Do you need us to call for help?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 14, 2020, 12:09:49 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 14, 2020, 12:18:05 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 14, 2020, 12:29:01 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.

Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.

That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.

Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 14, 2020, 12:33:44 AM
I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.
No, you haven't shared anything useful.
But thanks for indicating it is nothing more than yet another baseless assertion from you.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 14, 2020, 12:36:09 AM
Wise. Do you know that the 'air-routes' in the sky are in a sentence highways? With the exception that they are able to take a 'de-tour' to avoid heavy storms.
With this being said, you can also claim that the all highways and train tracks are completely straight and will never make a turn. Which doesn't make any sense because they do and so does the routes that the airplanes fly.

I am almost sure that you have never being interested in aviation in general, because if you where you would know that airplanes almost never fly in a straight line.

And you never answered the question of why there is a flight time difference between the US -> Europa and Europe-> US. Please explain this simple fact!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 14, 2020, 12:38:33 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.

Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.

That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.

Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.

I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.

they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 14, 2020, 12:39:50 AM
Wise. Do you know that the 'air-routes' in the sky are in a sentence highways? With the exception that they are able to take a 'de-tour' to avoid heavy storms.
With this being said, you can also claim that the all highways and train tracks are completely straight and will never make a turn. Which doesn't make any sense because they do and so does the routes that the airplanes fly.

I am almost sure that you have never being interested in aviation in general, because if you where you would know that airplanes almost never fly in a straight line.

And you never answered the question of why there is a flight time difference between the US -> Europa and Europe-> US. Please explain this simple fact!

I told you but you simply deny the facts. The map is wrong and it has been tried to corrected from left to right, hence left the right pathes are closer and right to left pathes are further. That's all.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 14, 2020, 01:07:37 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.

Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.

That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.

Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.

I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.

they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.

Not in the north Atlantic routes, for example. Commercial pilots are not allowed to "use a route they know they want", just because they would prefer to use it. Routes are determined, logged ahead of time, registered, confirmed, and tracked. Otherwise, it would be chaos and calamity on a grand scale would ensue.
ATC adjusts routes all of the time due to weather and traffic, among other reasons. Your notions defy all logic as to how global commercial airlines operate.

You mean to say all of these pilots currently flying at this moment can just simply determine their own route any way they seem pleased:

(https://i.imgur.com/y3W4H7d.jpg)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 14, 2020, 01:25:07 AM
Wise. Do you know that the 'air-routes' in the sky are in a sentence highways? With the exception that they are able to take a 'de-tour' to avoid heavy storms.
With this being said, you can also claim that the all highways and train tracks are completely straight and will never make a turn. Which doesn't make any sense because they do and so does the routes that the airplanes fly.

I am almost sure that you have never being interested in aviation in general, because if you where you would know that airplanes almost never fly in a straight line.

And you never answered the question of why there is a flight time difference between the US -> Europa and Europe-> US. Please explain this simple fact!

I told you but you simply deny the facts. The map is wrong and it has been tried to corrected from left to right, hence left the right pathes are closer and right to left pathes are further. That's all.

I know that you told me that but it still doesn't explain the real world time difference. Since the route that the airplanes take in both directions are close to identical! Also it is very strange that a map 'error' is only valid in one direction and not in the other direction. This does not make any sense. An error like this will always be the same in both directions.

So you need to get a better answer than this to explain the real world time difference since you are denying that any wind has any influence on an airplane.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 14, 2020, 05:13:14 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.
sure, keep telling yourself that.  ::) AGAIN, if they don't believe that wind affects an aircraft in flight then they wouldn't be able to land most of the time. Thanks for proving me right that you wouldn't name any of them.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 15, 2020, 06:44:08 PM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.
sure, keep telling yourself that.  ::) AGAIN, if they don't believe that wind affects an aircraft in flight then they wouldn't be able to land most of the time. Thanks for proving me right that you wouldn't name any of them.
I am telling they use best routes but your answer includes them denying the wind affect that I didn't tell whether they deny of acept it. It is not the same thing. People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 15, 2020, 06:48:58 PM
your answer includes them denying the wind affect that I didn't tell whether they deny of acept it.
Have you even bothered reading that quote thread?
You claimed wind doesn't effect planes.
People pointed out that that is not the case and no pilot would ever accept such nonsense.
You then objected to that and said that some pilots don't think wind affects aircraft.

So no, that is exactly what you are indicating, that you think there are some pilots that don't accept the FACT that wind has a massive effect on aircraft.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 16, 2020, 05:07:29 AM
People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.
I highly doubt anyone is using your map, wise.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: frenat on February 16, 2020, 06:08:47 AM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.
sure, keep telling yourself that.  ::) AGAIN, if they don't believe that wind affects an aircraft in flight then they wouldn't be able to land most of the time. Thanks for proving me right that you wouldn't name any of them.
I am telling they use best routes but your answer includes them denying the wind affect that I didn't tell whether they deny of acept it. It is not the same thing. People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.
And just a few replies earlier YOU said not all of them would agree that wind affects an aircraft. YOU are trying to change the subject. 

But I doubt anyone actually uses your supposed map either.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MicroBeta on February 16, 2020, 06:10:41 AM
World's longest flight.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on February 16, 2020, 07:02:10 AM
People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.
I highly doubt anyone is using your map, wise.

I suppose they're still lost...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 16, 2020, 10:11:46 AM
People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.
I highly doubt anyone is using your map, wise.
I think it is very generous to call it a map.  I mean the most straightforward definition is:

Quote
a diagrammatic representation of an area of land or sea showing physical features, cities, roads, etc.
Yet there is no land, sea or physical features on his diagram.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Macarios on February 17, 2020, 12:20:08 AM
If you think flying from A to B starts with plotting the most direct path between two places, think again. (https://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/2183479/what-determines-flight-paths-fares-airspace-and-jet-streams)

(Or follow the link.)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 17, 2020, 12:39:04 AM
If you think flying from A to B starts with plotting the most direct path between two places, think again. (https://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/2183479/what-determines-flight-paths-fares-airspace-and-jet-streams)

(Or follow the link.)
Great read, pitty Wise wont read it
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: inquisitive on February 17, 2020, 02:35:19 PM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.

Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.

That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.

Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.

I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.

they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver.  Do you have details of such a record?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 17, 2020, 10:30:49 PM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.

Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.

That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.

Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.

I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.

they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver.  Do you have details of such a record?

Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver. 

Did you ever think why anybody do not have such a record between Australia and South America flights?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 17, 2020, 11:02:04 PM
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver. 

Did you ever think why anybody do not have such a record between Australia and South America flights?
Why would they bother?
They know that they took off from Sydney, Australia, on QANTAS Flight QF27 and arrivedo in Santiago, Chile, about 12 hours later.
They wouldn't even give a thought to anyone being silly enough to question a route that millions have flown before.
Nor would they give a thought that anyone could be silly enough to even suggest that QANTAS millions might murder millions to cover anything up.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 17, 2020, 11:09:25 PM
The murders are a big thing. Surprising there is so little talk of them. Unless they kill the whole family and relatives and remove all trace of their existence every time. They are callous and cold. Like reptiles.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 17, 2020, 11:10:20 PM
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.
Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.
Not all of them.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.

Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?

There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0

Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.

The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.

So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:

Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.

Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.

Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.

That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.

Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.

I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.

they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver.  Do you have details of such a record?

Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver. 

Did you ever think why anybody do not have such a record between Australia and South America flights?

Here's a record from just yesterday:

(https://i.imgur.com/6Jz8E5s.png)
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 18, 2020, 07:27:29 AM
Were they killed?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 18, 2020, 10:04:31 AM
Were they killed?

Sadly, according to wise, all souls on this daily flight are lost, presumably pushed out of the cabin at altitude into the pacific as soon as the plane is sufficiently offshore.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rvlvr on February 18, 2020, 10:36:29 AM
Vile murderers!
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MouseWalker on February 18, 2020, 11:02:49 AM
Were they killed?

Sadly, according to wise, all souls on this daily flight are lost, presumably pushed out of the cabin at altitude into the pacific as soon as the plane is sufficiently offshore.
and death reports, no missing person reports, where are they?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: John Davis on February 19, 2020, 02:47:39 PM
One should boycott all airlines; not like it would matter. The governments of the world would just buy out their debt again. They are awful, and have become only more awful after the removal of federal regulations.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 19, 2020, 04:42:56 PM
One should boycott all airlines; not like it would matter. The governments of the world would just buy out their debt again. They are awful, and have become only more awful after the removal of federal regulations.

Not true. No one bought out Pan Am's debt. And Pan Am became 'America's' airline because of deregulation. They could extend into other corridors rather than just the Caribbean and Pacific.
I'm all for certain gov't regulations, but this has nothing to do with the fact that non-US controlled airlines, e.g., Qantas, LATAM, are shoving passengers out of their planes at altitude over the southern oceans so as to dupe the rest of the world that they have flights from S.America to Australia/Africa in an effort to preserve the fact that erroneously the world is much like a globe.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: John Davis on February 19, 2020, 05:06:23 PM
It has a little bit to do with it. How can we trust such a selfish organization for their word at all? Anyone who has traveled knows not to trust airlines.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Stash on February 19, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
It has a little bit to do with it. How can we trust such a selfish organization for their word at all? Anyone who has traveled knows not to trust airlines.

If you don't trust the airlines, why would you entrust them to make sure, in every conceivable measure, that your plane doesn't go down?

Do you not fly because of your stance? If you do, wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 19, 2020, 05:36:59 PM
I'm all for certain gov't regulations, but this has nothing to do with the fact that non-US controlled airlines, e.g., Qantas, LATAM, are shoving passengers out of their planes at altitude over the southern oceans so as to dupe the rest of the world that they have flights from S.America to Australia/Africa in an effort to preserve the fact that erroneously the world is much like a globe.
Well, so leading flat-Earth advocates like Wise and Shifter would have us believe.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on February 19, 2020, 07:38:08 PM
It has a little bit to do with it. How can we trust such a selfish organization for their word at all? Anyone who has traveled knows not to trust airlines.

Selfish??

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According to the Wall Street Journal, the average “profit per passenger” of the seven largest U.S. airlines was $17.75 — for just a one-way flight — and the average profit margin across those seven airlines was 9% in 2017. This per-passenger profit is roughly double what airlines around the world make per passenger, according to the International Air Transport Association.

Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 19, 2020, 10:56:36 PM
One should boycott all airlines; not like it would matter. The governments of the world would just buy out their debt again. They are awful, and have become only more awful after the removal of federal regulations.
How would you boycott airlines?
I made a 13 hour trip 2 hours long yesterday thanks to airlines.
Also, I refused to buy some cheaper flights because I dont trust or like other airlines.
Vote with your pocket.

You just have some shitty airlines, and more shitty airlines.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 20, 2020, 05:17:52 AM
Whats happened in pegasus, flight recorders are encrypted

1- Lightning struck just before Pegasus landed on the crashed plane due to adverse weather conditions. Airplanes equipped with lightning are not affected. However, both pilots focused their concentrations as to whether the lightning had an effect on the aircraft's instruments as required by the procedure.

2- Meanwhile, while the aircraft was using a captain, the second pilot focused on the task of communication and tracking the tools. The tower said the two previous planes passed the runway. However, he made this warning in Turkish instead of English according to aviation terminology. The captain replied, "I got it," but the Dutch pilot responsible for the communication did not understand the announcement and the coordination was broken in the cockpit because he had seconds to land.

3- Meanwhile, another plane took off with the same rear wind just before the crashed plane. This made pilots feel that everything was in its normal flow.

4- At that time, the back wind was blowing at a speed of 26.4 km per hour. As the Pegasus Airlines rear wind pass limit is 28 km per hour, pilots decided to land with the aircraft in tolerance.

5- The length of the track is 3 thousand meters. Contrary to popular belief, the plane landed not in the middle or end of the runway, but in the 705th meter of the runway, which is a normal distance.

6- The pilots started braking normally when the plane landed. Although the speed of the plane fell to 98 km / h, the sudden wind from the back suddenly increased to 51 km / h. This push increased speed. Since the pilots were sure that they would stop, they decided to return from the exit at the end of the track, not in the middle of the track, to give up hard braking and talk among themselves to avoid slipping on the wet ground. Meanwhile, since everything was normal in the cabin and the plane slowed down, the hostesses made the announcement, "You can use your phones".

7- When the pilots came towards the turn at the end of the track, which was not used frequently, they braked again to slow down. However, probably the plane started to slide when it landed on the tracks of hundreds of previous landings and take-offs on the runway, and the speed never decreased.

8- The problem started exactly at this moment, and the pilots understood that there was an abnormality.

9- Even though the pilots switched to hard brakes, the plane slid the last 700 meters of the runway for 17 seconds and did not slow down. If this time and distance were normal ground, it would be enough to stop even a faster plane.

10- In such cases called “stop way” at the end of the runway, the plane rolled down due to the steep slope instead of the soft soil ground field that would stop the plane without damage.

11- The retaining wall built to prevent the vertical floor from slipping caused the plane to fall apart and the damage increased. However, officials are also united in the view that this situation causes the engines of the plane to break off and leave the fuselage so that there was no fire occured in the plane.

My conclusion: In this accident, it is seen that many negative factors that cannot cause an accident alone occur magically.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: bright on February 20, 2020, 07:44:48 AM
Whats happened in pegasus, flight recorders are encrypted

1- Lightning struck just before Pegasus landed on the crashed plane due to adverse weather conditions. Airplanes equipped with lightning are not affected. However, both pilots focused their concentrations as to whether the lightning had an effect on the aircraft's instruments as required by the procedure.

2- Meanwhile, while the aircraft was using a captain, the second pilot focused on the task of communication and tracking the tools. The tower said the two previous planes passed the runway. However, he made this warning in Turkish instead of English according to aviation terminology. The captain replied, "I got it," but the Dutch pilot responsible for the communication did not understand the announcement and the coordination was broken in the cockpit because he had seconds to land.

3- Meanwhile, another plane took off with the same rear wind just before the crashed plane. This made pilots feel that everything was in its normal flow.

4- At that time, the back wind was blowing at a speed of 26.4 km per hour. As the Pegasus Airlines rear wind pass limit is 28 km per hour, pilots decided to land with the aircraft in tolerance.

5- The length of the track is 3 thousand meters. Contrary to popular belief, the plane landed not in the middle or end of the runway, but in the 705th meter of the runway, which is a normal distance.

6- The pilots started braking normally when the plane landed. Although the speed of the plane fell to 98 km / h, the sudden wind from the back suddenly increased to 51 km / h. This push increased speed. Since the pilots were sure that they would stop, they decided to return from the exit at the end of the track, not in the middle of the track, to give up hard braking and talk among themselves to avoid slipping on the wet ground. Meanwhile, since everything was normal in the cabin and the plane slowed down, the hostesses made the announcement, "You can use your phones".

7- When the pilots came towards the turn at the end of the track, which was not used frequently, they braked again to slow down. However, probably the plane started to slide when it landed on the tracks of hundreds of previous landings and take-offs on the runway, and the speed never decreased.

8- The problem started exactly at this moment, and the pilots understood that there was an abnormality.

9- Even though the pilots switched to hard brakes, the plane slid the last 700 meters of the runway for 17 seconds and did not slow down. If this time and distance were normal ground, it would be enough to stop even a faster plane.

10- In such cases called “stop way” at the end of the runway, the plane rolled down due to the steep slope instead of the soft soil ground field that would stop the plane without damage.

11- The retaining wall built to prevent the vertical floor from slipping caused the plane to fall apart and the damage increased. However, officials are also united in the view that this situation causes the engines of the plane to break off and leave the fuselage so that there was no fire occured in the plane.

My conclusion: In this accident, it is seen that many negative factors that cannot cause an accident alone occur magically.

So I can conclude that Pegasus is removed from your 'blacklist'? Not that I care about your 'blacklist' since this list is nonsense.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: wise on February 20, 2020, 10:47:57 AM
So I can conclude that Pegasus is removed from your 'blacklist'? Not that I care about your 'blacklist' since this list is nonsense.
That not I care your question.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 20, 2020, 01:57:58 PM
So I can conclude that Pegasus is removed from your 'blacklist'? Not that I care about your 'blacklist' since this list is nonsense.
That not I care your question.
We do already realise that you do not care about the truth. All you care about is supporting you own deluded ideas.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JackBlack on February 21, 2020, 12:14:26 AM
8- The problem started exactly at this moment, and the pilots understood that there was an abnormality.
No, the problem seems to have started long before then.
All the way back at point 6, when the pilots decided not to bother breaking properly to slow the plane down, even though they new there were quite significant gusts.

It seems that you are just looking for excuses to keep your country's airline off your blacklist.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 21, 2020, 05:56:32 AM
Wise's english is really improving...
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Crutchwater on February 21, 2020, 07:03:58 AM
Wise's english is really improving...

...it comes and goes
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on February 21, 2020, 08:49:05 AM

Depends which one of the collective is writing.
Title: Re: Black listed aircraft companies: Qantas, Lan, Latam, South African, Sichuan Airl
Post by: rabinoz on February 21, 2020, 06:22:17 PM

Depends which one of the collective is writing.
We have Intikam, Brotherhood of the Dome and Wise - are there more in the "Hive"?