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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Believers => Topic started by: wise on February 04, 2018, 11:29:27 PM

Title: Flat Earth Map: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 04, 2018, 11:29:27 PM
Sounds like it is a better idea continue this working here. So that, I want to transfer the working to here, part by part.

This is the main knowledge of we'll use.

(shortly)

LAST VERSION OF MAP (Updated 19.08.2019)

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/4OdHfS.png)

(http://i.hizliresim.com/0EzVV9.png)

BROKEN LINK (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/VOdb75.png)

Enlarged:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/p6YG5r.png)

Black listed aircraft companies that manipulate the flight times will never be used:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74179.msg2019488#msg2019488

I'll add cities from here. Last version of the map is:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/MdvGX2.png)

This working started and cruise speed of aircrafts come from here: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=73165.0

You may follow the previous working at there, then you'll understand why we do continue from here. Then follow the working from this topic.

Meaning of colors

Green cities: The place for city is reliable; corrected ans verified. ✓
White cities: Ordinary places.
Magenta cities: Suspicious place for a city.
Red cities: Yet added cities, did not determined its reliablity.
Blue cities: Sea side cities. May be reliable, non reliable or ordinary. Only shows the city is in the sea side.

Green lines: Circle come from green city shows the distance between cities. Reliable line. ✓
Red lines: Circles come from "red or white" city shows the distance between cities. May be reliable or not. Generally reliable.
Magenta lines: Circle come from magenta city that may be suspicious. Generally not reliable.

Hot line: Equator line.
Center of the map: North Pole. (Will be called after now, as "Ust Yakutsk" (Upper Yakutsk)

Green values: Values are calculated by using the flight times. Generally reliable. ✓
Red values: Values taken from google maps. May be reliable or not.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map
Post by: wise on February 04, 2018, 11:50:45 PM
Meaning of colors on the map:

Red: Yet added places
White: Added cities (General places)
Green: Reliable points that corrected by different ways.
Magenta: Suspicious points. Either only google values used, and/or contradicts with other distances.
Blue: Sea side cities added for mapping. Hot line and Antarctic line.
Great Yellow circles: N point. Additionally, for most reliable cities.

Before adding Yekaterinburg, we should to add the Dubai as a strong point. There is a flight everywhere in the world from Dubai; like how Toronto has. So that, it is important. I'll consider that routes:

Dubai   Istanbul 2.992
Dubai   Tel Aviv 2.138
Dubai   Djibouti 2005
Dubai   Addis 2.516
Dubai   Johannesburg 6.428
Dubai   Lagos 5.888
Dubai   Luanda 5.924
Dubai   Delhi 2.201
Dubai   Beijing 5.835
Dubai   Dar Essalaam 3.968
Dubai   Nairobi 3.560
Dubai   Hong Kong 5.941
Dubai   Tokyo 7.926
Dubai   Moscow 3.681
Dubai   Helsinki 4.522
Dubai   St.Petersburg 4.307
Dubai   London 5.670
Dubai   Barcelona 5.162
Dubai   Lisbon 6.132
Dubai   NY 11.004
Dubai   Los Angeles 13.383
Dubai   Toronto 11.065
Dubai   Sao Paulo 12.232
Dubai   Sydney 12.049
Dubai   Perth 9.040

These are google distances. We arrived that shape with these distances:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/PlQEkO.png)

As we see that, there is almost no relationship between distances. Because these distances are hoax. There is many routes. So that, we'll simplify them by eliminating some of them. We'll create a "critic line", that city must stay near of there, and will delete which lines contains all of this line.

I'm doing it then these line remain:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/m2E83Z.png)

these are the "worst" circles. If these ones correct the line, then the others already correct. So we'll focus on these routes and find the point that google was trying to deceive us:

New Delhi 2.185 2.434 corrected to 2.583
B788 2:45 879
A320 2:57 832
B77w 2:55 864
Perth 9.040 9.302 corrected to 10.800
B77w 10:11 893
A388 10:25 913
Hong Kong 5.926 5.840 corrected to 5.915
A333 6:49 864
B77w 6:27 888
B744 6:15 893
A388 6:47 908
Istanbul 2.992 3.450 corrected to 3.594
B77w THY 3:49 877
B77w Emirates 4:03 877
Lagos 5.888 6.035 corrected to 6.311
B77L 6:50 885
B77w 6:46 890
Djibouti 2.005 2.599 corrected to 2.355
B738 3:09 825

We could not find Tel Aviv flight. So decided this one as a hoax. With using distances depend on flight times:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/OoEdbQ.png)

With these corrections, Dubai is added. Most of the other distances from Dubai are wrong on google map but I don't spend time for it.

As a result, Dubai was not a perfect point, but added as satisfactory. It is not colored as green.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/dOXqJV.png)

Astana stayed close to the Dubai. But we know that Russian cities are generally wrong estimated. Astana is already colored magenta and will be corrected later.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map
Post by: wise on February 05, 2018, 02:01:45 AM
Yekaterinburg

Yekaterinburg   St.Petersburg 1804 1.820 (3,5% considered)* co correction is needed.
A319 2:18 819
A320 2:22 819
B738 2:14 823
Yekaterinburg   Moscow 1.437 1.868* corrected as 1.263
A320 2:12 890
A321 2:02 890
B738 2:17 894
Yekaterinburg   Helsinki 2.093 2.242* corrected as 1.965
A319 2:49 825
Yekaterinburg   Istanbul 2.884 3.118* corrected as 2.870 (google distance for Istanbul is true)
A319/320 3:50 843
Yekaterinburg   Tel Aviv 3.397 3.974 No correction is needed. Proven as 3.974
A319 4:50 852
Yekaterinburg   Harbin 4.541 4.733 corrected as 3.061
A320 5:45 853
Yekaterinburg   Beijing 4.369 4.198 corrected as 3.435
A319/320/321 5:06 853
Yekaterinburg   Dubai  3.532 3.585 corrected as 3.261
A319 852 4:14
B738 856 4:28

Yekaterinburg perfectly stayed in all the circles. There was a great green circle comes from St. petersburg. So that, Yekaterinburg movet its new point intersects with the circle comes from St. Petersburg that the reliable point.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/p6EmXa.png)

Yekaterinburg is re placed and as a result moved its real place and marked as "green" as a second reliable point in Russia. Whole distances are corrected in this respect.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/z0n2J7.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map
Post by: wise on February 05, 2018, 03:08:54 AM
Astana

Re placing the Astana by using flight times:

Astana   Dubai 3.180 3.258 as same as 3.258.
A320 4:05 852
B738 3:58 856
Astana   Istanbul 3.428 3.536 corrected as 3.485
B320 4:17 852
B738 4:18 856
Astana   Moscow 2.296 2.622 corrected as 2.245
A321 3:13 832
B738 3:18 836
Astana   St.Petersburg 2.728 3.145 corrected as 2.853
E190 3:52 843
Astana   Yekaterinburg 945 1.083 as same as 1.083
E190 1:27 774
Astana   Beijing 3.656 3.988 corrected as 2.602
A320 4:51 852
Astana   Delhi 2.545 3.148 corrected as 3.859
A320 3:53 840
Astana   London 4.802 4.964 corrected as 4.795 (google value is true for London)
B752 5:56 867

Astana is added and "has color of magenta the Novosibirsk" is deleted for re placing.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/PlQp4d.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map
Post by: wise on February 05, 2018, 03:34:03 AM
Novosibirsk

Re placing the Novosibirsk.

Early calculated values (Green values)

Novosibirsk   Astana      869
Novosibirsk   Yekaterinburg   1488   
Novosibirsk   Moscow   2727   
Novosibirsk   Beijing   3193   corrected as 1.972 (suspicious)
Novosibirsk   Hong Kong   5072   corrected as 4.427

Novosibirsk is added as a white point. (temporary red). Color of Beijing and Harbin turned to magenta as show its turned to suspicious. Because for a third time, Beijing seems far than shown in the map. So that, Beijing will be re placed. I hope it will be turned to green. Yakutsk and Kotelny islands are deleted. They were added as center by considering other cities. But many of other cities changed. So that they will be added again later.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/6JmQPN.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map
Post by: wise on February 05, 2018, 04:06:43 AM
Beijing

Re placing the Beijing.

(Green values for Beijing)

Tokyo   Beijing   2268      
Lisbon   Beijing   9675      
London   Beijing   8486      
Sydney   beijing   9319      
Los Angeles   Beijing   10218      
Johannesburg   beijing   12037      
Istanbul   Beijing   7767      
New York   Beijing   11495      
Tel Aviv   Beijing   7665      
Moscow   Beijing   6263      
New Delhi   Beijing   4669      
Hong Kong   Beijing   2301      
PANC   Beijing   6911      
Dallas   Beijing   11509      
Singapore   Beijing   5089      
Jakarta   Beijing   5731      
Manila   Beijing   3284      
Helsinki   Beijing   6720      
Denpasar   Beijing   5506      
Aukland   Beijing   11512      
Toronto   Beijing   10.573 red value as same with green value.
B789 12:05   912
B77w 12:40   896
Astana   Beijing   3926      
Yekaterinburg   Beijing   4165      
Novosibirsk   Beijing   3193      
Amsterdam   Beijing   7815      
St.Petersburg   Beijing   6274      
Yekaterinburg   Beijing   4198      
Dubai   Beijing      5835   red value

Circles for Beijing

(https://i.hizliresim.com/76AYQN.png)

Do you see how they are perfectly overlap?

There are 28 circles in this shape. And whole 28 circles encircling a place that I'll hatch it for you see how Beijing placing perfectly.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/p6EjNr.png)

In this diagram, the area colored with red hatch the new place for Beijing. Everywhere in this area possible. But we'll choose it by a few focus and determine a best point. And this point is reliable because corrects the whole map.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/z0ng14.png)

With this place, Beijing has moved about 500kms North-East and turned to its color green from white.

As a result;

Beijing is re placed as the 7th reliable point of the map.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/rOEjkV.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 05, 2018, 04:41:39 AM
Xi'an (East China)

Depend on reliable points, we can find out remain cities with a better estimation. We are adding this site for increase central cities in China. After that, we will have a chance to find other cities in China and whole Russia.

As you know that, in my opinion China is bigger than shown in the map. So I expect that whole distances in China should be bigger than red (google hoax) values. I hope I'm right.

Xi'an   Beijing google value= 935 ?? calculated value= 1.334 overlapped value=
A320 1:40 774 1244
A333 1:50 783 1436
B738 1:42 778 1323
Xi'an   Hong Kong 1.443 2.240
A320/321 2:41 790 2120
A333  2:58 795 2359

I hope you aware of how inside Chinian cities far to themselves! How distances are longer than google hoax/lie values!

Xi'an   Singapore  3.717 4.601
A320 5:24 852
Tell me, if Xi'an were just 3.700kms far to Singapore, why pilots never run to Xi'an inside 4 hours?? (4 hours is possible with a B789 or A388, if it could be really 3.700kms)

Xi'an   Tokyo 2.872 3.222
B738 3:49 848

(https://i.hizliresim.com/3EA9a9.png)

Take care how it overlaps with these "big" values.

As a result, Xi'an is added as a good point in China and colored white as an ordinary place. The other sides of the China will be more interesting. Because only when corners are reveraled then we can understand the real size of China.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/y0VPRN.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 05, 2018, 04:51:12 AM
Ürümqi (North West China)

Ürümqi   Beijing
Ürümqi   Xi'an
Ürümqi   Hong Kong
Ürümqi   Dubai
Ürümqi   Novosibirsk
Ürümqi   Astana
Ürümqi   Moscow
Ürümqi   Saint Petersburg

(https://i.hizliresim.com/oOEA07.png)

We'll continue with Ürümqi (Urumçi) tomorrow...

With looking the upside image, estimate the place of Urumqi before we done it.  ::)

(https://i.hizliresim.com/y0VPRN.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 05, 2018, 10:28:44 PM
Ürümqi

Ürümqi   Beijing 2.434 2.806 2.707 same.
A320/321 3:32 835
B738 3:17 840

Ürümqi   Xi'an 2.108 2.359 2.276 (either Sichuan: 1.642 or others 2.488) corrected as 1.961. Sichuan airlines black listed (Provide wrong information)
A319 2:31 Sichuan airlines. If these times are wrong or the others. If these are wrong, Sichuan Airlines go to black list. 830
A320 3:00 China Eastern 830
A321 3:15 China Eastern 830
B738 3:03 Okay Airways 835

Ürümqi   Dubai 3565 5.113 4190 corrected as 2.080
B738 5:04 857

Ürümqi   Novosibirsk 1.283 1.986 1.916
E170 2.32 784

Ürümqi   Astana 1.437 1.520 1.466 google value sounds like true for this time.
B752 1:54 800

Ürümqi   Moscow 3.734 4.529 4.370 corrected as 3.572
B738 5:16 860

We see the perfect intersection for Urumqi except Dubai.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/rOEO9P.png)

We may examine Dubai problem. Wht did it occur?

Ürümqi   Dubai 3565 5.113 4190  2.080
B738 5:04 857

Google value 3.565 sounds like better than flight value as 4.190. And 2.080 is really close compared to 3.500. If they are really close like this, why Chinian pilots are running about 5:00 hours?

If we examine the path, so we see pilots are running above Iran, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan and Kirgizistan, passes from Astana then Urumqi. We have Astana in our map so estimate the route like follow:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/rOEOJz.png)

(https://i.hizliresim.com/Z9Y9Ok.png)

Take care where is Astana. China Southern pilots are using the route passing from a few south of Astana. This choice makes the flight time 100% more! So that, they run 5:00 hours, alltough 2:30 hours is possible!

This is not a bad intention. It is an ignorance. So that I'll not get China Southern to the black list. To be ignorant isin't a bad mind. 8)

We'll be sure is these cities really stay at there, after more cities added the map. Then I'm sure Chinese pilots who running between Astana and Dubai will shame on themselves.

As a result, Urumqi is added as a good point in the map.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/1JNJGG.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 05, 2018, 10:52:59 PM
space of ads

Which one is bigger, Russia or China?

(https://i.hizliresim.com/BL8Laj.png)

Count the squares. And consider that an important part of Russia is frozen. And east side of Russia will be shrinked soon, because Anadyr isin't far like that. Has  Russia big meadows and mountains in fact? Or is it China, but not Russia:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/PlQlGQ.png)

Is it a cardpostal, or a random place in China?

(https://i.hizliresim.com/dOXOML.png)

Think on this:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/VrErzV.png)

How is it possible a lot of National Parks can stay untouched, while 1,5 billion people are living collectively. If China could be a crowded country, they could eat even the grass on the meadows. But we see many and high areal sized perfect national parks in China.

So China is not a populous country. China is both populous and big as areal size. People do not eat each other caused by hungry. on the contrary, there is a wide range of plains and people live in comfort. if they were the opposite, they could occupied many parts of Russia long ago. no one can stop a hungry person!
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 05, 2018, 11:57:59 PM
Kunming (Southern China)

Kunming   Beijing 2.096 2.552 2.462 corrected as 2.425
A319 (Sichuan Air) 2:35 (irrelevant to others)
A320 (China Southern)  3:03 825
B738 (China eastern) 3:07 830

Take care how other airlines running with closer flight times and how Sichuan airlines running with an impossible flight time. Sichuan airlines black listed. Corrected. It provides wrong information.

Kunming   Xi'an 1.182 1.555 1.500 no correction required. As same as 1.500.

A319 2:05 774
A320 2:00 774
B735 2:08 765
B738 1:54 778

Kunming   Urumqi 2.519  3.409 3289 corrected as 3.173
B738 3:48 (Shandong air)-suspicious 840 (they are running with best flight time overlaps the distance. No correction needed)
B738 4:19 (China eastern) 840

Kunming   Hong Kong 1.161 1.555 1.500 no correction required.
A320 1:53 774
A320/321 2:04 774
B735 2:06 765

Kunming   Singapore 2.647 3.155 3.044 corrected as 2.808
A320 3:40 843
B738 3:48 847

Kunming   Sydney 8.319 8.955 8641 corrected as 8.120
A332 10:19 868

Kunming   Delhi 2.589 2.582 2.491 no correction is required. as same as 2.491
B738 3:04 842

Kunming   Dubai 4.765 4.631 4469 no correction is required. as same as 4.469
A333 5:22 863

Kunming   Moscow 6.215 6.768 6.531 no correction is required. as same as 6.531
A330 7:50 864

Without make any correction:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/kOEOo9.png)

Do you see how it overlaps the whole distances, including Sydney and New Delhi?

Only Hong Kong is wrong. Either distance, or place of Hong Kong is wrong. But we see that the point of Kunming is definitely in this point. So that we'll move a bir Hong Kong and distance a bit increased. Others are perfectly overlapped. So that Kunming is added as second "green" (reliable) city in China. With it, we can calculate the "shrinking rate" of China that made by google.

After corrections are made, the Hong Kong stays only city out. There is 340kms mistake remained with Hong Kong as follow:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/MdkdO2.png)

So that, we'll move Hong Kong to the direction of Kunming 340kms. I pre accepted the distance is true.

I drawed the green circle comes from Beijing. So Hong Kong will be moved a point in the aim of correct both distances with Kunming and Beijing as follow:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/BL8LJD.png)

Distance of Beijing to Kunming is obviously: 2.425kms. If somebody says its fewer than this distance, says lie! These are green points. It means this places are corrected by distances in the whole world and flights between themselves.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/vjZj0D.png)

As a result, the place of Hong Kong corrected and Kunming is added as one of the reliable point in China.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 12:35:06 AM
Re placing the Harbin.

Harbin

Earlier calculated green distances with google distances together

Harbin   Beijing   1074   1000
Harbin   Tokyo   2133   1617 corrected as same with google distance: 1.617
Harbin   Singapore   5790   5387 corrected as 5.523
Harbin   Novosibirsk   2946   3210 corrected as 2.249
Harbin   Yekaterinburg   3631   4541



Calculated now:

Harbin   Kunming 3.091 3.621 3.494
A320 4:15 852
(if Harbin really close Kunming as 3.091 kms, so why can't smart Chinamen pilots can't run between these cities under 4 hours, like 3:30 or less??)

Harbin   Xi'an 1.935 2.258 2.179 corrected as 2.293
A319 2:41  819
A321 2:46 819
B738 2:48 825

First I used only green cities. There is 3 green circles as follow:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/gOX6AR.png)

Do you see how they perfectly overlaps? I may write distances on it:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/D73D9O.png)

With only green distances:

Yekaterinburg: 3631 / 3631 : 0 % mistake! (perfect)
Kunming: 3494/3494 : 0% mistake! (perfect)
Beijing: 1071/1074: 0% mistake! (perfect)

I'll add other circles to see is Harbin became a green point of not:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/nOElrV.png)

harbin turned a perfect point in China corrects whole distances. There is just a mistake seems for distance Novosibirsk. But Novosibirsk as a Russian and white point has the capacity of change its place and perhaps pilots are estimating the point og Novosibirsk as wrong. Anyway.

Harbin turned to green point as show it as a reliable point. Vladivostok is deleted. As a magenta colored suspicious city Vladivostok seems on wrong place. So it is deleted. Perhaps we should delete other magenta colored Russian cities. Anyway. Yet others are not required to move.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/5DYyYz.png)

As a result, Harbin is turned to the green, reliable point.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 12:54:46 AM
We'll continue to revealing the China by calculating the Shangai, the one of the most eastern city in China. There is 5 green cities on our map has flights to Shangai.

Beijing
Harbin
Kunming
Amsterdam
Toronto

I selected 9 others for represant the whole world:   
Delhi
Tokyo
Istanbul
London
Addis
Sydney
Honolulu
LA
NY

(https://i.hizliresim.com/5DYyql.png)

If green circles overlaps on a point, and the others seems on a meaningfull distance to the that place, Shangai will be added as a reliable point. If we see some mistakes, it will be one of the white (ordinary) point. I hope we make green it.

Will be continued...
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 03:08:41 AM
Shangai

Green:
Shangai   Beijing 1.100 1.548 corrected to 1.482
A321 2:02 774
A333 2:04 783
B789 1:47 818

Shangai   Harbin 1.658 2.077 corrected to 2.128
A320 2:46 809
A333 2:21 818

Shangai   Kunming  1.967 2.135 corrected to 2.201
A320 2:36 819
A332 2:39 829
B738 2:32 825

Shangai   Amsterdam 8.919 9.372 corrected to 8.902
A332 10:40 869
B789 10:27 909

Shangai   Toronto 11.429 11.955 corrected to 9.038
B773 13:20 896
B77L 13:09 912
   
By using the green circles:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/vjZ656.png)

As we see that, there is a good intersection for Shangai. Not perfect, but good enough. When I intersected the points, distances a few changed. I wrote new distances to beside to green values.

Its temporary colored as green before white circles are created.

White circles:

Shangai   Delhi 4.295 4.630 corrected as 4.448
A333 5:24 864
B788 5:28 902

Shangai   Tokyo 1.741 1.806 corrected as 2.156
A321 2:18 815
A333 2:18 825
B772 2:16 835
B788 2:07 860

Shangai   Istanbul 8.038 8.163 corrected as 7.993
B77w 9:29 892

Shangai   London 9.251 9.279 corrected as 9.143
B773 10:55 893
B77w 10:55 893
B789 10:17 909

Shangai   Addis 8.840 8.409 corrected as 8.523
A359 9:39 903

Shangai   Sydney 7.875 8.447 corrected as 6.761
A332 10:12 868
B773 9:42 892

Shangai   Honolulu 7.925 6.563 corrected as 4.645
B773 7:38 891

Shangai   LA 10.429 9.403 corrected as 8.167
B773 11:09 896
B789 10:48 912

Shangai   NY 11.888 12.116 corrected as 9.011
B773 13:58 899

(https://i.hizliresim.com/VrE9mr.png)

Corrected with red circles seems good. So that color of Shangai did not changed. It stays green that correct all of distances. There is a few difference with Tokyo but Tokyo will correct later, then it will be correct by itself.

Other distances are corrected till intersect to Shangai and written beside of the green values as corrected values.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/lOEqnX.png)

Shangai is added as the 8th green point in map and 4th green point in China.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 03:43:22 AM
Kathmandu

Kathmandu will be added for delimit the China.

Kahtmandu   Xi'an 2.346 corrected to 1.863
A319 04:25 835

Kahtmandu   Kunming 1.774 2.029 corrected to 1.741
Unknown type China eastern 2:31 830
Unknown type China eastern 2:33 830

Kahtmandu   Singapore 3.541 3.896 corrected to 4.286
B738 4:43 856

Kahtmandu   Hong Kong  2.935 3.204 same as 3.204.
A320 3:51 850
A333 4:03 860

Kahtmandu   Delhi 817 1.055 is not changed. corrected as google value, 817.
A321 1:30 743
B739 1:26 747

Kahtmandu   Dubai 2.995 2.821 corrected to 2.912
A320 3:28 845
B738 3:26 850

Kahtmandu   Istanbul 5.308 5.322 corrected to 6.231
A333 6:23 864

As a result, katmandu is added.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/gOXP2L.png)
Title: Using the map to find real distances
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 04:20:48 AM
To find the real distances, you may use the following "real distances".

(https://i.hizliresim.com/rOE0kP.png)

Green distances are the most reliable ones. When you search for a distance not on this chart, you may use these lenghts as a comparison chart.

An example:

I'm searching for real place of San Fransisco. I'm opening the google map and find the place of San Fransisco:

The nearest places to San Fransisco are "Toronto and Sao Paulo"  in the map. I'm getting note the distances to these two cities by google map:

San Fransisco-Toronto: 3.625kms.
San Fransisco-Sao Paulo: 10.424kms.

Now. I'll compare the distances between Toronto to Sao Paulo for aim to determine the increase or decrease rate:

Toronto to Sao Paulo on google map: 8.180kms.
Toronto to Sao Paulo on real map (flat map): 7.385kms.

So we understand that real distance in this area is fewer than distances in google map. So we'll shink it.

Shrink ratio is: 7.385/8.180= 0,903.

Now we'll multiply this ratio with distances on google map, then will find real distances as follow:

Real distances are.

San Fransisco-Toronto: 3.625kms * 0,903= 3.273kms.
San Fransisco-Sao Paulo: 10.424kms * 0,903 = 9.413kms.

These are real distances and you can find out true place of the city depend on these distances.

That's all.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 04:51:01 AM
Mumbai (Cancelled)

Mumbai in the project of revealing the real size of India.

Green circles:

Mumbai   Amsterdam 6.867 6.924
B77w 8:06 890
B789 7:53 906

Mumbai   Toronto 12.508 12.694
B77L 14:38 899

Mumbai   Beijing 4.769 5.010  corrected as 5.192kms.
A333 6:01 863

(https://i.hizliresim.com/p6E2Gz.png)

success after the distances of Beijing is corrected as 5.192kms.

White circles:   
Mumbai   Delhi
Mumbai   Dubai
Mumbai   Kathmandu
Mumbai   Tokyo
Mumbai   Hong Kong
Mumbai   Addis Ababa
Mumbai   Istanbul

We'll continue the Mumbai later, after New Delhi placed better.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 05:55:51 AM
Re placing the New Delhi

New Delhi

(green values)

New Delhi   Beijing   4669
Amsterdam   Delhi   6357
Muscat   Delhi 2136
Dubai   Delhi      2201 (red)
Astana   Delhi   3148
New Delhi   Istanbul   4849
New Delhi   Tokyo   6095
New Delhi   Beijing   4669
New Delhi   Moscow   4957
New Delhi   London   6983
New Delhi   NY   11396

With these distances Delhi seems here:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/5DYq6z.png)

Stayed close to Dubai and Muscat. So that Muscat is temporary deleted. We'll re place Delhi by comparing and correcting this new point with distances come from green lines. Perhaps, we may only use green lines as a better choice.

Green cities:
Delhi   Beijing   4669      
Amsterdam   Delhi   6357   6.657
B77w 7:30 888 6660
B744 7:27  893 6653
Delhi   Toronto 11.628

Delhi   Kunming 2.589  2.634
B738 3:15 840

Delhi   Shangai 4630

With only green cities the last point doesn't changed so much:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/Z9YzVa.png)

Its corrects both cities and stays in the west and a bit North of Kunmig.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/1JNZyA.png)

But we need to correct it by comparing the white cities. So that its color changed white again and will be continued. The interesting thing is we can't control Delhi by comparing the distances with Urumqi and Xi'an. These are two close big cities to Delhi but there is no flight between them. Perhaps caused by wrong estimation point for Delhi. Maybe a land traveling is better for them.

meanwhile a distance with Tokyo isn't overlapped and color of the Tokyo turned to magenta to show its suspicious position. We need to correct it and turn to green.

Distance with Katmandu not so changed. Last situation before Delhi corrected by white cities.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/OoEzA4.png)

We'll continue with control/correct cities by new point for New Delhi. After that we'll continue to revealing the Indian cities.
Title: Which one is the biggest country?
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 10:55:46 PM
predictive information

These knowledges may be change but for now, we may estimate the areal sizes of China, Russia and USA.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/qGEzy5.png)

China: 11 mkm^2

(https://i.hizliresim.com/OoEjzZ.png)

Russia: 7,33mkm^2

(https://i.hizliresim.com/2JjpVd.png)

USA: 9,22 main country + 1,71 (pre accepted Alsaka) = 10,93mkm^2

So countries by areal sizes:

1- China: 11m km^2
2- USA:  10,93km^2
3- Russia: 7,33 km^2

We'll change these results by adding enough cities permit us revealing the real borders. These datas may be change next with new knowledges but I don't think this ranking will be changed.

China is the biggest country by areal size.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 06, 2018, 11:21:42 PM
Tokyo

We yet changed its color to magenta for show its turned to suspicious point. So that we'll re place it and try to find a green point for Tokyo.

Green values for Tokyo:

Green values in green cities:

Amsterdam   Tokyo   9305 (red value)
Shangai   Tokyo   1806
Harbin   Tokyo   2133
Tokyo   Beijing   2268
Toronto Tokyo 10.356 (red value)

There is 5 circles in the shape and all are compatibled. There is a point correct the red distances and in about intersection of green circles.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/PlQjdO.png)

So that Tokyo is agreed as a green point. Control with other cities:

Green values in red cities:

New Delhi   Tokyo   6095      
Xi'an   Tokyo   3222
Hong Kong   Tokyo   2987
PANC   Tokyo   5325
Denver   Tokyo   8893
Singapore   Tokyo   5328
Aukland   Tokyo   9046
Tokyo   Sydney   8223
Tokyo   LA   8264
Tokyo   NY   10862
Tokyo   London   10008
New Delhi   Tokyo   6095

Xi'an  moved through Tokyo about 100kms.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/z0nNoR.png)

This point for Tokyo verifies all distances. So that, the place of Tokyo is corrected and the color of it changed to green to show its reliablity.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/EP3j9g.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 12:51:47 AM
Mumbai

Green values from green cities

Mumbai   Amsterdam   6924
Mumbai   Toronto   12694
Mumbai   Beijing   5192

Mumbai   Tokyo 6.793
B788 7:14 906 All nippon airlines. Impossible flight speed (they claim over 1.000km/h and this is impossible)
All nippon Airlines is added the black list.

White cities:

Mumbai   Delhi 1.139 1413
A320 1:58 774
B738 1:47 778
B788 1:49 818

Mumbai   Dubai 1.928 2249
A321 2:52 819
A388 2:49 870
B738 2:40 823

Mumbai   Kathmandu 1.595 1726
B738 2:15 795

Mumbai   Addis Ababa 3.839 3927
B788 4:31 901

Mumbai   Istanbul 4.824 4821
B77w 5:38 887

Mumbai   New York 13.136 12207
B77w 13:57 896
B772 14:25 888

For the 5th time, sounds like Istanbul should move through east. So that Istanbul moved 300kms through Mumbai. There is almost no close city to Istanbul. Controlled with Amsterdam the green city. Istanbul re placed the possible distance with Amsterdam.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/Mdkra2.png)

New Delhi a bit moved through North.

Mumbai is added as an ordinary place and has an ordinary color. This place isin't on a perfect intersection but stays inside all the circles. Whole distances are verified.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/m2En2P.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 02:39:42 AM
Hyderabad

Hyderabad   London 7.762 7702
B789 8:48 907

Hyderabad   Delhi 1.267 1518
A320 1:54 784
B77w 2:02 815

Hyderabad   Mumbai 622 932
A319 1:23 700
B738/739 1:22 705

Hyderabad   Dubai 2.548 2673
A320 3:16  840
B77w 3:10 883

Hyderabad   Singapore 3.310 3393
A320  4:10 852
B38m (738) 4:22 856

Hyderabad   Hong Kong 3.750
(Cathay Pasific) A333 4:32 862
(Cathay Pasific) B744 4:14 891
Only one airline company. So that, these suspicious flights. If contradicts to others, so will not be considered.

Hyderabad well placed, except Singapore.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/bBymE0.png)

Singapore either wrong placed or there is a manipulation on flight time between Hyderabad and Singapore. For that, color of Singapore turned to magenta to show Singapore turned to suspicious and Hyderabad is added.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/oOEop7.png)

Take care India in fact, about 50% bigger than shown in google/fake map.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 03:54:19 AM
Bangalore (center south India)

Bangalore   London 8.056 7876
B77L/W 9:09 892

Bangalore   Amsterdam 7.702 7646
A333 8:56 887

Bangalore   Dubai 2.698 2752
B320 3:23 843
B77w 3:21 876

Bangalore   Hong Kong 3.960 4353
A333 5:14 862

Bangalore   Delhi 1.711 1964
A320 2:31 809
B738 2:30 814

Bangalore   Hyderabad 457 590
A320 0:59 620
B738 0:59 625

Bangalore   Mumbai 835 1059
A320 1:23 750
B738 1:32 755

(https://i.hizliresim.com/5DYJLj.png)

As a perfect intersection point, Bangalore correctes the whole distances and verifies the whole world, including Amsterdam and London. So Bangalore added with colored green as a first reliable point in India.

Verified: Distance to New Delhi is 1.964 kms (google claims 1.711) and distance to Hyderabad is 590kms (google claims 457kms). We see that google were trying to show India as smaller than real. This is understandable, because there is not enough room to place India depends on the values in a forced/wrong/ball map!

As a result, Bangalore is added as a green point to the south center of India. This will let us place other Indian cities with a better estimation and let us correct the Ocenian cities.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/4a04GL.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 04:25:25 AM
Kochi (south India)

Kochi   Bangalore 369 505
A320 0:55 572

Kochi   Delhi 2.052 2355
A320 2:57 825
B738 2:57 830

Kochi   Mumbai 1.065 1460
A320 1:58 770
B738 1:57 775

Kochi   Singapore 3.206 3539 this value will not be used because the Singapore is colored magenta (non reliable place) yet.
A319 4:10 852
B738 4:25 857

Kochi   Dubai 2.785 2986
A320 3:48 843
B738 3:24 848
B77w  3:39 876

Kochi   Hyderabad 820 1054
A320  1:28 745

Kochi is added.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/kOEoay.png)

Now we may calculate the real areal size of India depends on changing ratio. We'll consider two cities west to east and two others south to north then calculate the areal shrinking ratio made by google for place India.

City to City / Real distances / google-fake map distances

East to west:
Mumbai-Hyderabad 922kms / 622kms. = 1,48 (48%)
North to south:
Delhi-Kochi 2.440 kms / 2.081kms= 1,17 (17%)

Sounds like google is forced to more shrinking to east to west direction because it was harder to open a place for Australia and whole Ocenia. Anyway.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/VrEdOy.png)

The areal size of India in google/joke map: 3.207.000km²

Real India: 3.207.000 * 1,48 * 1,17 = 5.553.000 km²

(5553-3207)/(5553) = 42%

As a result, google is deceiving the world and hiding 42% of India by playing numbers and shapes.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 05:22:35 AM
Re placing the Singapore

Singapore turned to magenta and we should convert it a acceptable color:

Green distances from green cities for Singapore:

Singapore   Beijing   5089
Kunming   Singapore   3044
Singapore   Tokyo   5328
Harbin   Singapore   5790

Creating the place.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/z0nPng.png)

It is overlapped. I temporary colored it as green. With comparing the other cities we'll decide its real place and color.

Green distances from white cities:
Singapore   Hong Kong   2922
Singapore   LA   13133
Singapore   Johannesburg   11800 (corrected by 3 airlines) With this result, Singapore Airlines is black listed.
Singapore   London   11104
Singapore   Istanbul   8841

Although there is a bit suspicious events with Johannesburg, Istanbul and London; these are acceptable differences, even so Singapore is colored as green.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/azXOl5.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 05:51:53 AM
Hot line re placed

Hot line ( so called equator) re placed by considering distance from new places for cities. It has 8.185kms radius.

I typed distances between green cities and hot line on the map:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/Yg4X0j.png)

Distances from city to hot line by real map / google map (comparing)

Dar Essalam: 741kms / 766kms
Johannesburg: 2237kms / 2.944kms
Singapore: 219kms / 140kms.

Did not completely overlapped because google values was already wrong. But this is fair enough.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 10:46:00 PM
Kolkata

We'll define the place of Kolkata from India, last city for now, then we'll return the other parts of the map.

Green cities:
Kolkata   Kunming
Kolkata   Singapore
Kolkata   Bengaluru

White cities:   
Kolkata   Delhi
Kolkata   Mumbai
Kolkata   Hyderabad
Kolkata   Dubai
Kolkata   Kathmandu

We'll first find the place by using green distances from two green cities. It may be close to that point. And we'll correct that place by using others.

Kolkata   Kunming 1.498 1455
B738 1:56 780

Kolkata   Singapore 2.096 3005
A319 3:52 825
B738 3:56 830

Kolkata   Bengaluru 1.548 1638
A320 2:08 775
B738 2:14 780

Do you see how the distance to Singapore wrong on google map? It is impossible this distance to be just 2.000kms! Aircrafts run about 4 hours! Are they running with 500km/h? No, they are not. Because the placve is wrong on google map. Ok. Lets determine the place of Kolkata.

Kolkata   Delhi  1.315 1433
A320 1:52 790
B738 1:49 795

Kolkata   Mumbai 1.667 1744
A320 2:20 775
B738 2:19 780

Kolkata   Hyderabad 1.208 1400
A319 1:53 775
A320 1:51 780

Kolkata   Dubai 3.369 3359
B77w 3:56 885

Kolkata   Kathmandu 641 833
A319 1:14 700

(https://i.hizliresim.com/A1nm9X.png)

There is a few mistake remained with New Delhi. This caused by perhaps the place of Delhi isn't perfect. Without it, it seems good enough. It verifies the relationship with Katmandu and stays its South East side.  So that, Kolkata is added as green, as last city from India, for now.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/gO25dR.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 11:12:03 PM
Re placing the Manila.

We have a magenta colored city here and should correct it. (Look the image on last post)

Manila

Green values from:

Green cities:

Manila   Beijing   3284
Manila   Singapore   2873
Manila   Tokyo   3278

White cities:
      
Manila   Hong Kong   1393
Manila   Istanbul   9600
Manila   LA   10746
Manila   Honolulu   7821

There is about a perfect intersection here.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/dO82oD.png)

This places verifies whole cities, in about intersection of close cities and verifies cities including even far cities like Istanbul and LA. So Manila is moved about 1.000kms south and colored as green.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/767boN.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 11:23:19 PM
There is two suspicious area seem in the map: Ocenia and the Center of the map. We will target to correct Ocenia before continue the map:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/767bPl.png)

There is enough green places in the map for a good correction on these suspicious area.

On the other hand, I'm writing the meaning of colors to the first post.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 11:47:09 PM
Jakarta

Re placing the Jakarta

Green values for Jakarta from (Calculated earlier)

Green cities:

Jakarta   Beijing   5731
Amsterdam   Jakarta   11364
Jakarta   Singapore   997
Jakarta   Tokyo   6080
Manila   Jakarta   3365

White cities:

Jakarta   Istanbul   10106
Jakarta   London   12279
Jakarta   Hong Kong   3938

There is a perfect intersection here:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/4a1kMY.png)

Only the green circle come from Amsterdam misses the intersection. So it is wrong. When we control it with distance to London, we see that one of them seem wrong. Because distance to London about 12.300 and to Amsterdam is 11.300 about 1.000kms difference. But these cities close themselves as only 300kms far. So that, distance with London is true and distance with Amsterdam may be corrected.

With just a bit correction with Amsterdam; Jakarta well placed and became a reliable point in the map:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/y0NlzM.png)

Remained 5 non reliable points in Ocenia.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 07, 2018, 11:56:27 PM
Re placing the Denpasar

Green values from:

Green cities:

Denpasar   Jakarta   1011
Denpasar   Singapore   1994
Denpasar   Manila   3059
Denpasar   Beijing   5506
Denpasar   Tokyo   5674

From white city:

Denpasar   Hong Kong   3983

(https://i.hizliresim.com/lO3yqk.png)

There is not a perfect intersection here. So that, DenPasar is added as a white city.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/m24zMV.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 12:28:41 AM
Re Placing the Sydney


Green values:

Sydney   beijing   9319
Kunming   Sydney   8641
Shangai   Sydney   8447
Tokyo   Sydney   8223
Manila   Sydney   6494
Singapore   Sydney   6886
Jakarta   Sydney   5782
Manila   Sydney   6494
Denpasar   Sydney   4751 (white city)

Red Values:
Los Angeles   Sydney   12331
Dubai   Sydney      12049

There is a good place for Sydney, except Los Angeles.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/VrPLNn.png)

If there isn't Los Angeles flight, Sydney could be a bit south. On the other hand, LA distance seems a bit close than real because Sydney distance to Equator should be more.

I'll use Sydney to Equator distance for placing the Sydney,with pre acceptance as "distance of Sydney to Equator line is true". Because on our map, our cities about overlaps to equator line (hot line).

(https://i.hizliresim.com/VrPLRZ.png)

Sydney to hot line is 3.770kms. I pre agreed this value. Every places were possible on our map near to marked area. So this place is definitely the place of Sydney:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/JQq4GQ.png)

In this place, all distances are verified. And there is only a few correction needed for distance to LA.

After that, I decided to move Sydney to the intersection point with Los Angeles. Because, this point verifies both distance with Los Angeles and the Antarctica as follow. It is better than the other place. There is only a mistake seems distance with "Hot line", but nobody measured the distance between Sydney and Equator line. Its just a predictive value. But distance with LA and Antarctica are measured values. So I considered this place as Sydney:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/dO80rV.png)

So that, Sydney verifies all distances and distance to LA and distance to Antarctica too.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/1JVrWA.png)

With this movement we both had a chance to correct whole Ocenia and stay connected with America.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 02:35:19 AM
Perth

Green values from green cities:

Perth   Sydney   3393   
Perth   Jakarta   3395   
Perth   Singapore   4093   
Perth   Hong Kong   6453   (white city)

Red values from white cities:

Perth   Denpasar      2584
Dubai   Perth      9040

Dubai (white city) has moved 300kms through Perth and distance with Perth has corrected to 9.480kms from 9.040kms.

Seems like a perfect intersection occurred here:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/OoVB1n.png)

I selected this city in the aim with considering a bit mistakes made by pilots.

As a result,

Perth is added as a green point verifies whole distances on the map:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/y0NRBN.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 02:57:27 AM
Why do aircrafts generally indirects on Brisbane while flight between Perth and Port Moresby?

(https://i.hizliresim.com/5DLm8M.png)

But according to google map, it makes the path a lot of longer!

(https://i.hizliresim.com/LbZgpJ.png)

Because:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/NZlg3k.png)

Brisbane stays a place about on the way of Perth to Port Moresby! Relax! Dear our customers, Brisbane is already on the path. The path did not become longer! Do not consider google's joke! Just laugh on it! Ha! Ha ! Haa!
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 03:30:36 AM
Port Moresby

Re placing the Port Moresby

Green values from green cities:

Port Moresby   Hong Kong   5504
Port Moresby   Sydney   2961

Red values from various types:

Port Moresby   Manila      3934
Port Moresby   Tokyo      5084

(https://i.hizliresim.com/oO08XX.png)

There is insuficient data and not a perfect intersection. So that, Port Moresby is added as a city with a white color. (magenta is still possible)

As we clearly see that, Port Moresby stays west of the Sydney; not the North east, oppositely google's joke. So that, when you travel from Perth to Port Moresby should pass from a point north of Sydney like Brisbane! (We'll examine the Brisbane now)

(https://i.hizliresim.com/767XQl.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 04:20:49 AM
Brisbane

Green Cities:

Brisbane   Sydney 754 885
B738 (virgin) 1:18 747
A320 (jetstar) 1:03 743
A320 (tiger) 1:21 743

Brisbane   Perth 3.611 3536
A320 (tiger) 4:15 852
B738 (virgin) 4:20 856

Brisbane   Singapore 6.150 5798
B77w (emirates) 6:46 888
Qantas (already blacklisted) A332 7:23 (??) inconsistent with emirates
Singapore airlines (already blacklisted) A359 7:19 (??) inconsistent with emirates

I typed these black listed airlines for let you understand how they non compatibled with others and how compatibled with themselves. Surely, I'll not considered these black listed things; but only emirates. Because, "Allahuakbar" never say lie   ;)

Brisbane   Tokyo
Do not get considered because only Qantas flies that in the black listed.

Brisbane   Beijing 8.408 9014
(Air China) A330 10:45 869

Brisbane   Shangai 7.315 8096
(China eastern) A332 9:42 865

White cities:
   
Brisbane   Dubai 11.994 same!
A388 13:46 916
B77L 13:55 912

Brisbane   Port Moresby 2.091 same!
B738 2:36 830

Brisbane   Honolulu 7.562 7860
A332 (Hawaian Airlines) 9:25 865

Brisbane   Los Angeles 11.547
B77w 12:15 896

Brisbane   Vancouer 11.858 11646
(Air Canada) B788 13:14 912

(https://i.hizliresim.com/767MVl.png)

With this place, Brisbane verifies all distances, including Beijing and LA, especially stays in the intersection of Port Moresby, Perth and Sydney.

With this perfect intersection, Brisbane becomes one of the strongest point of the map as follow:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/4a1bLp.png)

We obviously see that Brisbane stays direct North of Sydney. In google map, it stays about 10 degrees east from north of the Sydney. And google claims magnetic declination about 10 degrees. Do you see how they hide truth? If you use a compass from Sydney, it directly shows the Brisbane, because it stays in the north. But google claims there is 10 degrees magnetic declination and Brisbane stays 10 degrees of Sydney so you found it as North. take it or leave it! This is google's joke!
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 04:37:34 AM
How google deceives people about places in Australia:

Australia stays wrong on google map. Because google is forced to place it a small place. So that, there is a lot of mistake.

If you look our map, Brisbane stays direct north of Sydney:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/nOjL2R.png)

Directly north of the Sydney. Perhaps 1 or a bit degrees mistake.

Lets look a calculator depends on google map:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/1JVMVD.png)

Brisbane stays 14 degree North east of Sydney.

Lets look the magnetic map:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/lO3vdk.png)

In Sydney, compass shows 12 degree magnetic declination. It means, it shows Brisbane as north with 14-12=2 degrees misses.

That missing is the reason of why Brisbane doesn't stay direct North line coming from Sydney and a bit miss!

Not magnetic declination!

I give this song you as a gift. Listen and think on it.

Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 10:06:13 PM
With re placing the Auckland, and adding Cainrs as the Northern city of Australia, we'll finish Ocenia for now.

Auckland

Green values  for Auckland:

Green cities:

Aukland   Perth   5298
Aukland   Sydney   2153
Aukland   Beijing   11512
Aukland   Tokyo   9046

White cities:

Aukland   Honolulu   7278
Aukland   Vancouer   11193

Yet calculated green cities:

Aukland   Brisbane 2.298 2.414
A333 3:13 841
B738 2:45 836

Aukland   Manila 8.034 7.994
A343 9:32 869 strong. Provided by Philipinnes airlines.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/EPr8lA.png)

As we see that, there is a strong point for Aukland.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/YgqkrA.png)

Aukland is added.

Cairns

Cairns will be added as the last city of Australia.

I'll use red values from green cities and try to find out the place if possible. If there will be a contradiction, then use flight times for contradict routes:

green cities:
Cairns   Brisbane   1524   1389
Cairns   Sydney   2170   1960
Cairns   Perth      3441
Cairns   Aukland      3604
Cairns   Singapore      5028
Cairns   Manila      4438
Cairns   Shangai      5950
Cairns   Tokyo      5869

red cities:
Cairns   Denpasar      3433
Cairns   Hong Kong      5567

(https://i.hizliresim.com/6JrPyN.png)

Actually place is been certain. But I do not want to leave it to luck. So that I'll consider flight times. Most of them already correct that place. So that I'll only calculate the nearest ones for a better estimation:

Brisbane, Sydney and Denpasar is enough.

Cairns   Brisbane 1.393 1.524
A320 1:59 784
B738 2:02 789

Cairns   Sydney 1.974 2.170
A320 2:42 820
B738 2:46 825

Cairns   Denpasar  3.437 3.507
A320 4:16 852

Intersection of  green lines seem fair enough.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/1JVZ3N.png)

As a result, Aukland is re-placed and Cairns is added as the last cities in Oceania for now.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 10:52:16 PM
Los Angeles

We'll re place the Los Angeles for a lot of aim.

Firstly, there is about 1.000kms or a bit more difference between LA side America and Oceania. Oceania about completely greened. So we'll correct this difference and will green the LA. On the other hand, this working will be correct the whole America.

There was a green city in America as Toronto. With LA, these two cities are enough to correct the whole cities. There is almost everywhere a flight from LA. So LA is important for us.

Green values:

Green cities:
Shangai   LA   9403
Singapore   LA   13133
Manila   LA   10746
Los Angeles   Sydney   12331
Los Angeles   Beijing   10218

Whitecities:
London   Los Angeles   KLAX   8767
Hong Kong   LA   10479
Rejkjavik   Los Angeles   KLAX   6913
Los Angeles   Tel Aviv   TLV   11888
Los Angeles   Moscow   SVO   9979

Red values :
Brisbane   Los Angeles      11547 (green city)
Dubai   Los Angeles      13383 (white city)

(https://i.hizliresim.com/gO2Y1Z.png)

Both places are possible. But the upper circle is better because it is on a perfect intersection with green circles. The important thing is to be relevant with the only green city in America, the Toronto. So that, we'll examine flights between Toronto and Los Angeles and decide the true place. After that, we'll decide which cities ahould be move accordingly the changing on Los Angeles.

Toronto   Los Angeles   3498 3.733
A319 4:37 852
A321 4:22 852
B737 4:27 856
B763 4:38 866

With this green circle, problems seem are solved.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/qGjNLV.png)

After that changing, whole North American cities except Toronto and Los Angeles turned to magenta. (suspicious).

They will be corrected with this place for LA, but not so much. So that I believe they'll turn white and green colors in a few times.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/lO3Nap.png)

We'll correct whole North America with all of our speed.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 11:35:41 PM
Re placing the New York

Green values from green cities:

Shangai   NY   12116
Tokyo   NY   10862
Amsterdam   NY   5852
Johannesburg   NY   12934

Green values from white cities:

New Delhi   NY   11396      
Lisbon   NY   4847
Panama   NY   3996
Istanbul   NY   7267
Sao Paolo   NY   8207
Bogota   NY   4084
Atlanta   NY   1447
Hong Kong   NY   13007
PANC   NY   5417
Helsinki   NY   6177
Mexico City   NY   3552
Barcelona   NY   5810
Casablanca   NY   5200
Dubai   NY      11004 (red value)

I need two important more distances with green cities:

Toronto   New York 574 891
A319 1:18 686
B737 1:23 690

Los Angeles   New York 3.978 4.200
A320/321 4:50 852
A320/321 4:52 852
B752 4:42 866
B763 4:57 876

(https://i.hizliresim.com/rO6XV3.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 11:45:48 PM
Re placing the Atlanta

Green cities:
Atlanta   NY   1447
Atlanta   LA   3294

White cities:
Istanbul   Atlanta   8647
Bogota   Atlanta   3652
Atlanta   London   6432
PANC   Atlanta   5541

(https://i.hizliresim.com/bBkZDj.png)

There is a perfect intersection and overlapping here. So that, Atlanta is colored as green.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/6JrpP9.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 08, 2018, 11:53:43 PM
Re placing the Denver

Green values:

Green cities:
Denver   NY   2880
Denver   LA   1603
Denver   Atlanta   2044

White cities:
Denver   PANC   3956
Denver   Tokyo   8893
Denver   London   7355
Denver   Rejkavik   5483

(https://i.hizliresim.com/6JrprE.png)

Anchorage has moved through Denver 100kms and Denver colored as green.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 12:01:02 AM
Re placing the Dallas

Green values:

Green cities:

Dallas   Beijing   11509
Dallas   LA   2135
Dallas   Denver   1167
Dallas   Atlanta   1356
Dallas   Tokyo   9306

White cities:

Bogota   Dallas   4359
Sao Paulo   Dallas   8603
Dallas   NY   2447
Dallas   London   7352

All greens intersected or verified this point.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/9mgWDO.png)

Sounds like a missing point there as NY. NY is already white and need a bit correction. We'll interest with NY later.

As a result, Dallas is added as another green point in USA.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 12:09:37 AM
Re placing the San Antonio

Green cities:
San Antonio   Dallas   531
San Antonio   Atlanta   1607
San Antonio   Denver   1444
San Antonio   LA   2091

White city:
San Antonio   NY   2793

(https://i.hizliresim.com/3EvWOO.png)

The only missing is NY again. We'll solve NY later so that San Antonio is added as green.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 12:15:55 AM
Re placing the Monterrey

Green values:

Monterrey   San Antonio   506
Monterrey   Dallas   1054
Monterrey   Denver   1800
Monterrey   LA   2302
Monterrey   Atlanta   1910
Monterrey   New York   3183

(https://i.hizliresim.com/VrP8zV.png)

Monterrey is added as a green point. The only miss come from NY about 217kms. Sounds like NY should move through west as 250kms but we'll interest this problem later.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 12:22:42 AM
Re placing the Mexico City

Early calculated green values:

Mexico City   Monterrey   786
Mexico City   San Antonio   1270
Mexico City   LA   2570
Mexico City   Denver   2725
Mexico City   Dallas   1713
Mexico City   Tokyo   10412

White cities:
Mexico City   NY   3552
Mexico City   London   8423

(https://i.hizliresim.com/jyXrRn.png)

There is a bit mistake with NY again. Mexico city perfectly overlaps with green cities and colored as green.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 12:27:30 AM
Re placing the El Paso

Early calculated green values:

El Paso   LA   1269
El Paso   Denver   1040
El Paso   Atlanta   2145
El Paso   Dallas   1191
San Antonio   El Paso   898
Monterrey   El Paso   993

(https://i.hizliresim.com/W7g8PY.png)

El Paso is placed, it stays there. but has not perfectly overlapped with green cities. So that colored as white.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 12:41:26 AM
Re placing the Vancouer

Early calculated green values:
Aukland   Vancouer   11193
Amsterdam   Vancouer   7697
Brisbane   Vancouer   11646
Vancouer Rejkavik 5.691 6.190
Vancouer London 7.586 7.802
Vancouer Beijing 8.503 9063
Vancouer Tokyo 7.567 8.327
Vancouer New Delhi 11.151 13.423
Vancouer Hong Kong 10.280 11.890
Vancouer Honolulu  4.358 5.200

Red values:
Vancouer LA 1.804
Vancouer Anchorage 2.200
Vancouer Mexico City 3.948
Vancouer NY 3.936
Vancouer Dallas 2.822
Vancouer Denver 1.791

(https://i.hizliresim.com/4a1WvA.png)

Ny has moved through Vancouer 200kms, Anchorage moved through Vancouer 500kms and Vancouer is added on about the intersecion of whole green circles, so colored as green.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 12:45:13 AM
The last situation after cities in USA are finished:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/gO2vQ0.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 03:36:43 AM
Re placing the Edmonton

Green values from green cities :

Edmonton   Denver   1889
Edmonton   LA   2464
Edmonton   Vancouer   952

Insuficient

Yet calculated:

Green cities:

Edmonton   Toronto 2.693 2725
A321 3:21 843
B736 3:20 847

Edmonton   Amsterdam 6.962 7033
A332 8:25 (suspicious) 866

White cities:

Edmonton   Rejkavik 4.926 4.917
A321 5:58 (suspicious) 854

Edmonton   Honolulu 5.115 5.932
B763 7:04 870

(https://i.hizliresim.com/6JrG13.png)

Edmonton is turned to green.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 04:08:47 AM
Greening the Calgary

Red values from green cities:
Calgary   Vancouer   674
Calgary   Edmonton   279
Calgary   Toronto   2708
Calgary   LA   1934
Calgary   Beijing   8752

Red values from White cities
Calgary   London   7021
Calgary   NY   3279
Calgary   Honolulu   5020

With google values, seems like there is a problem.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/LbZ0j1.png)

We should examine only three flights because the others are already verified in these two places.

Calgary   Toronto      2693 3.028 (We'll see if this 400kms difference change asomething, or do not)
A320 3:33 843
B738 3:37 847

Calgary   Edmonton      246 330
B733 0:29 562
B736 0:44 565

Calgary   Vancouer      687 840
A319 1:17 686
B737 1:15 690

Calgary   Denver      1446 (red)

(https://i.hizliresim.com/9mg3XN.png)

Sounds like there is a good intersection point verifies whole distances. With using flight times we achieved to place the Calgary. It now stays on the right side of the path comes from Vancouer and goes to Edmonton. So that, it verified from different points and colored as green.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/lO38zQ.png)

As we see that, using google values causes us to make mistake; but only flight times let us to find the true values.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 04:19:59 AM
I want to take your attention to a point:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/lO38rE.png)

According to balance principles of the phsics; there must be something there.

Why isn't there anything in South of North America?  (South America isn't south of North America)

Where is "real South America?"

In another way to explain:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/767p7m.png)

Why is there empty? Was there a continent and only Hawai islands remained from it?
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 05:01:14 AM
Re placing the Ottawa

Green cities:

Ottowa   Vancouer      3556 3425
A321 4:10 852

Ottowa   Edmonton      2852 2736
B737 3:23 838

Ottowa   Calgary      2882 2826
B736 3:31 833

Ottawa    Toronto      363 503
A320 0:55 569

White cities:

Ottowa   NY      526 809
CRJ9 1:19 680
E135 1:18 680
CRJ2 1:05 680

Ottowa   London      5352 5249
B763 6:16 868

(https://i.hizliresim.com/0ElaYW.png)

Colored as white. Meanwhile NY has moved through Toronto and catched the value provided by google.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 05:51:41 AM
Re placing the Winnipeg

Winnipeg   Edmonton 1.189 1132
B737 1:38 770
B752 1:23 788

Winnipeg   Calgary 1.193 1142
B737  1:42 770
B763  1:24 788

Winnipeg   Vancouer 1.867 1963
A320 2:30 819
B737 2:27 825

Winnipeg   Ottawa 1.691 1752
B736 2:16 825
CRJ9 2:12 830

Winnipeg   Denver 1.261  1621
CRJ2 2:06 800

Denver. How perfect! We'll see which one is true. If Denver just 1.261 kms far from Winnipeg, why flight takes more than 2 hours?? Explain this, mister google?

Anyway.

With using 1.621 kms for Denver Winnipeg distance oppositely google's claim of 1.261 kms as a joke; we arrive a perfect than perfect intersection point!

(https://i.hizliresim.com/5DLv0L.png)

I marked the distance come from Denver and see how it perfectly 1.621 kms! Not google's claim as 1.200 something.

As a result, winnipeg is added as a "perfect" point and colored as green.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/VrP71v.png)

How a perfect place and stays 1.621 kms far to Denver, but not 1.261, oppositely google's joke!

For this week, this is enough. You may create your own map depends on using values of this map.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 09, 2018, 05:58:25 AM
I created a bigger version of the map; for funciers of the flat maps:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/BLvdYV.png)

You may easily work on this map and create your own map.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 11, 2018, 11:45:54 PM
Re placing the Halifax

Green values for halifax:

Halifax   London   4323
Halifax   NY   1121
Halifax   Ottawa   750
Edmonton   Halifax   3605

We have only 4 values but these 4 values perfectly intersect!

(https://i.hizliresim.com/2JrBpv.png)

There is perfect intersection with green cities. So that Halifax turned to the green.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/9mQ0jQ.png)

By adding the Halifax, we have finished the magenta colors. (centered two means nothing for correction. I have added them to show which city/place stay in the center. I mean, Yakutistan and alert have only symbolic meaning)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 12:07:19 AM
Re placing the New York

Green values from green cities

Dallas   NY   2447         
San Antonio   NY   2793         
Vancouer NY 3.936            
Ottowa   NY   809 (red value: 578)         
Halifax   NY   1121         
Shangai   NY   12116         
Tokyo   NY   10862         
Sao Paolo   NY   8207         
Atlanta   NY   1447         
Hong Kong   NY   13007         
Mexico City   NY   3552         
Los Angeles   New York   3.978         
Toronto   New York 891 (green) 574 (red)         

(https://i.hizliresim.com/9mQ0M5.png)

I drawed both green and red circles for Toronto. Sounds like google value for this distance is true. So I re placed New York to the point of intersection of all green points.

I corrected the green distance between Ny and Toronto as same as red value, 574.

New York has turned as a green point now.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/6J9d40.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 01:12:25 AM
Greening the Ottawa

Re placing the Ottawa

Green cities:

Ottowa   Vancouer      3556 3425
A321 4:10 852

Ottowa   Edmonton      2852 2736
B737 3:23 838

Ottowa   Calgary      2882 2826
B736 3:31 833

Ottawa    Toronto      363 503
A320 0:55 569

White cities:

Ottowa   NY      526 809
CRJ9 1:19 680
E135 1:18 680
CRJ2 1:05 680

Ottowa   London      5352 5249
B763 6:16 868

(https://i.hizliresim.com/0ElaYW.png)

Colored as white. Meanwhile NY has moved through Toronto and catched the value provided by google.

We'll try it again now, after greened the others.

Additional:

Halifax   Ottawa   750 (green) 950 (red)

I drawed for 3 cites green and red values together.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/p601n0.png)

Ottawa stays north of NY and west of Toronto. But in google maps, it stays a bit north west of NY and, a bit north east of Toronto. For solving this problem, google declares a "FAKE (IMAGINARY)" magnetic declination as -12 degrees west and solves the problem. Then real places and google places overlaps. But we don't need a magnetic shit to prove something. Because there is only one pole and both magnetic, geographic and geomagnetic poles are same. There is no needed anything else except a pole.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/gOqab5.png)

As a result, Ottawa has turned the green. No correction is required.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 01:50:09 AM
Greening the Anchorage

Anchorage (In the aim of fixing/stablizing the center of earth)

PANC-NY 5.441 5.417
B748 5:57 902
B744 6:07 892
B77L 6:01 902

PANC-LA 3.774 3.816
B737 4:59
B744 4:15 891
B748 4:16 901

PANC-Atlanta 5.495 5.241
B744 5:47 892
B748 5:54 902

PANC-Beijing 8.690 6.911 **
B763 873 7:55

PANC-Tokyo 5.521  5.325
B744 6:05 893
B748 5:48 903
B763 6:07 869

PANC-Hong Kong 8.175 7.661
B744 8:23 898
B748 8:35 908

(https://i.hizliresim.com/9mQyy9.png)

Anchorage is turned the green color.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/Pl09Lv.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 02:40:58 AM
Re placing the honolulu (Hawai)

From green cities, green and red together (first value is green for this time)

Vancouer Honolulu  5.200      
Edmonton   Honolulu   5932   5115
Shangai   Honolulu   6563   7925
Manila   Honolulu   7821   8530
Brisbane   Honolulu   7860   7562
Aukland   Honolulu   7278   7097
Calgary   Honolulu   5020 (red)

Honolulu-Tokyo      5610   6200
Honolulu-Beijing      7433   8141
Honolulu-LA      4240   4113
Honolulu-Dallas      6094   6088
Honolulu-NY      7817   8015
Honolulu-Atlanta      7217   7241
Honolulu- Anchorage      4720   4480

(https://i.hizliresim.com/y0E7nj.png)

There is a perfect intersection here, except NY and Dallas. We'll focus on these flights.

I examined them, nothing is changed.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/gOq3VN.png)

One more time, but this time a control for Aukland.

Oh, Aukland come from google. Maybe so wrong. I hope.

Honolulu   Aukland 7097 7.442
B772 8:22 883
A332 8:37 868

(https://i.hizliresim.com/W70MbN.png)

I decided this place, better than the other two.

As a result, the place of Honolulu is a few corrected but we could not change the color of it to green. There is 200kms difference left with distances to both Aukland and Dallas; this place is fair enough but 200kms mistake prevents we make it green.

I mean: We may trust this people while we calculate the other places; but we can't say that Honolulu is definitely here. Because we have an error range for this city.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/Z9ZbEz.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 03:17:33 AM
Re placing the El Paso

Green values:

El Paso   LA   1269
El Paso   Denver   1040
El Paso   Atlanta   2145
El Paso   Dallas   1191
San Antonio   El Paso   898

(https://i.hizliresim.com/rO3lGP.png)

The place of El Paso changed a bit and the color of El Paso has been converted the green.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/EPgaZB.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 03:59:44 AM
Re adding the "Yellowknife"

Yellowknife

Yellowknife   Calgary 1263 1.353
B736/737 1:48 779

Yellowknife   Vancouer  1.572 1.715
2:15 CRJ9 (A319) 790

Yellowknife   Ottawa   3104 3.012
B735 3:43 840

Yellowknife   Edmonton 1.020 868
B733 1:19 765
DHD8 1:46 449 *

*
DHD8 runs Calgary-Edmonton: 0:47
Calgary-Edmonton on map: 330kms.
speed: 421kmh for 300.
A318 in 300kms distance: 569kmh.
A318 in 1.020 distance: 774kmh.

So DHD8 in 1.020kms distance: 774/569 x330 = 449kmh.

With using green values:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/lOdnrJ.png)

There is a perfect intersection here. Although there is insufficient datas, Yellowknife is added as green color.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/dOPYXp.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 04:23:21 AM
Controlling and re placing North America is generally finished. I want to make an climate control in this point.

I measured the distances in flat map which cities stay in the right side between the Pole.

In my opinion, there is a direct relevant between distance to pole and climate. There is two other effects that not in this issue. For freeing other factors, I chosed 6 cities stay left side of the Pole.

If you look the google map, so you see  that Anchorage stays north of Beijing and Harbin the Chinese cities. But in our map, Anchorage stays south of Harbin and north of Beijing.

According to google map, there is no direct relevance between climate and distance to Pole. Now. Lets examine.

Whole cities are in the northern side of the earth, so seasons are same. We'll look them as the temperature of January, it gives us an idea about climate. Other months already overlaps these results.

I researches these 6 cities for yearly climate:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/9mQklQ.png)

I write them in the number of nearest to furhest to the Pole, according to flat map

1- Yellowknife (Jan: -21)
2.476kms to pole.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/yellowknife/climate

2- Harbin (Jan: -12)
2.856kms to pole.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/china/harbin/climate

3- Anchorage: (Jan: -5)
3.003kms to pole.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/anchorage/climate

4- Beijing:
3.752kms to pole.
(Jan: +2)

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/china/beijing/climate

5- Tokyo
4.778kms to pole.
(Jan: +9)
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/japan/tokyo/climate

(Please take care how Tokyo stays far to Pole!)

6- Los Angeles
5.248 to pole.
(Jan: +20)

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/los-angeles/climate

Place to distance to Pole / Place to Average temperature:

1- Yellowknife : 1 / 1
2- Harbin: 2 / 2
3- Anchorage: 3 / 3
4- Beijing: 4 / 4
5- Tokyo: 5 / 5
6- Los Angeles: 6 / 6

Perfectly overlapped.

As we see that, there is direct relevant between distance to North and average temperature. There is two factors that I earlier examined; altitude of the place and distance to sea. For eliminate the other factors, I chosed cities close to sea. So the other factors are eliminated.

In our map, the temperatures understandable by only considering the distance to north pole.

But if you ask it to google or NASA that, "if Anchorage stays North or Harbin, so why the weather in Anchorage soft than the weather in Harbin?", so they produce lies for you like: jet winds; ocean waves, tropical storms,... bla bla.

I hope now everybody understand the climate how a basic science.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 04:38:44 AM
If you wonder about Vancouer that I did not write. I did not write it because of simplify the digram. But I can.

Vancouer: 3.945 kms far to pole.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/6J93zv.png)

Closer than Tokyo, further than Beijing. Place 4 between 5.

Weather january in Beijing was: +2
Weather january in Tokyo was: +9.

We wonder is it stay between these two values?

Link: January in Calgary: https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/vancouver/climate

+7 degrees. Between them. Perfectly overlaps. No needed to ocean waves, tropical winds, bla bla dishonest lies!
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 05:20:43 AM
Re adding Whitehorse

Whitehorse   Yellowknife   1100 1058
B735 1:26 765

Whitehorse   Edmonton      1515
B350 (??) 2:54 ? researched. not reliable. (red value)

Whitehorse   Calgary      1679 1537
B735 2:01 790

Whitehorse   Vancouer      1476 1401
B735 1:51 785

Again, there is a perfect intersection here:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/76qlqY.png)

Although insufficient datas, whitehorse is added as a green point too.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/gOq7O0.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 05:37:52 AM
Rankin Inlet

Rankin Inlet   Yellowknife 1.137 1.156
B732 1:34 765

Rankin Inlet   Winnipeg 1.469 1.643
B732 2:11 780

(https://i.hizliresim.com/oOjb5q.png)

It overlaps with real places and directions of the cities of Winnipeg and Yellowknife. But these datas are infufficient. Although they are green circles, we have to add it as white color. Yes, this place is about here but not a perfect point.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/gOq7ML.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 11:34:18 PM
Re placing the Novosibirsk

In the aim of greening the Eurasia.

Green and red values for Novosibirsk (first ones are green values)

Novosibirsk   Yekaterinburg   1488   1372
Novosibirsk   Moscow   2727   2804
Novosibirsk   Beijing   3193   2998
Novosibirsk   Hong Kong   5072   4469
Novosibirsk   Astana      869
Harbin   Novosibirsk   2946   3210
Yakutsk   Novosibirsk   2727   
Ürümqi   Novosibirsk   1916   1283

(https://i.hizliresim.com/RnP9kj.png)

Any place in the area colored as red possible for placing to Novosibirsk. Its place already stay is not so good but not so much wrong.

So much error range and I don't want to do a mistake after now. So that;

Attemp to place Novosibirsk unsuccess. We'll try to come closer from southern side.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 12, 2018, 11:51:56 PM
Re placing the Hyderabad

(In the aim of coming closer the North cities from southern side)

Green and red values together (first values are green as first example)

Hyderabad   London   7702   7762
Hyderabad   Delhi   1518   1267
Hyderabad   Mumbai   932   622
Hyderabad   Dubai   2673   2548
Hyderabad   Singapore   3393   3310 (red value is used)
Hyderabad   Hong Kong   3639   3750
Bangalore   Hyderabad   590   457 corrected distance: 539
Kochi   Hyderabad   1054   820
Kolkata   Hyderabad   1400   1208 (red value is used)

(https://i.hizliresim.com/z0BlJj.png)

Not a perfect intersection. The place I marked is a bit better than its place.

Second attemp:

There is 3 green circles and I tried the red values for this time and they overlapped.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/bBGMvm.png)

Some of red cities misses this point but their place is already may be wrong. So that this point as intersection of green point marked as green.

But there is a problem remained. Because Hyderabad stays north of Bengaluru in global map and magnetic declination is just a bit. But in our map Hyderabad stays east of Bangalore. In the aim of solving this problem, we'll rotate Hyderabad and Bangalore together on circles come from green cities. I colored these circles as green and cyan for seperate the cities of Hyderabad and Bangalore.

I temporary deleted Kochi, because it remained in wrong place after correctios.

First values are green

Bangalore   London   7876   8056
Bangalore   Amsterdam   7646   7702
Bangalore   Dubai   2752   2698
Bangalore   Hong Kong   4353   3960
Bangalore   Delhi   1964   1711
Bangalore   Hyderabad   590   457
Bangalore   Mumbai   1059   835

Additionally:

(first value is red)
Bangalore   Kolkata      1548 1.650
A319 2:18 795
A320 2:08 795
B738 2:05 800

This try doesn't work too.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 13, 2018, 03:21:34 AM
Greening the London

Green values:
Barcelona   London   1150
Amsterdam   London   357
Bergen   London   1044
Oslo   London   1154 (red)

London   Rejkjavik (1896) 2.103kms.
A320 speed: 822kmh. best: 2:43 distance: 2.233kms.
B752 speed: 835kmh. best: 2:32 distance: 2.115kms.
B763 speed: 835kmh. best: 2:21 distance: 1.962kms.
Distance: 2.103kms.

London   Los Angeles 8769 8.767kms

A388 best: 9:42 speed:913 distance:8856kms.
B789 best: 9:32 speed:909 distance:8666kms.
B77W best: 9:51 speed:893 distance:8796kms.
B774 best: 9:44  speed:899 distance:8750kms.
Distance: 8.767kms.

London   New York 5545 5.402kms.

B744 best: 6:14 speed: 892 distance: 5560
B772 best: 6:04 speed: 878 distance: 5324
A346 best: 6:02 speed: 883 distance: 5327
B763 best: 6:13 speed: 868 distance: 5396
distance: 5.402kms.

London   Tel Aviv 3.593 3.844kms
B772 best: 4:24 speed: 876 distance: 3.854
B77w best: 4:28 speed: 885distance: 3.953
B789 best: 4:08 speed: 901 distance: 3.724
Distance: 3.844kms.

London   Moscow 2511 2628
A320-321 best:3:13 speed:837 distance: 2.628

London   Beijing 8.162 8.486
A330 9:35 868 8.318
B773 9:25 907 8.540
B789 9:29 907 8.601
distance: 8.486 kms

Johannesburg-London 9.086 9378
A388 10:37 913 9693
A332 10:32 869 9153
B789 10:13 909 9287
distance: 9.378kms.

Sao Paolo-London 9471 9713
B772 11:14 884 9930
B773 10:38 893 9496

Atlanta-London 6769 6432
B763 7:22 871 6416
B764 7:30 881 6608
B77W 7:11 890 6393
B772 7:05 891 6311

Tokyo-London  9603 10.008
B77W 11:11 893 9987
B788 11:02 909 10029

(https://i.hizliresim.com/1JgvE1.png)

London's place was already corrected to the whole green cities and so that perfectly overlapped. No changing required. Directly greened.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/LbnAG1.png)

With find a third green city we may easily reveal the whole Europe.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 13, 2018, 05:50:55 AM
Madrid

Adding Madrid in the aim of targeting the Europe.

As we remember that, the distances in Europe is generally true so that we'll use distances in Europe  as how they stay in any map.

Red values from green cities:
Madrid   London   1262
Madrid   Lisbon   503
Madrid   Amsterdam   1481
Madrid   St.Petersburg   3190
Madrid   Halifax   4805
Madrid   NY   5768
Madrid   Johannesburg   8102
Madrid   Sao Paulo   8385
Madrid   Barcelona   505
Madrid   Istanbul   2738
Madrid   Lagos   3844

(https://i.hizliresim.com/6JXnpk.png)

Success.

Madrid has perfectly overlapped with green cities, including Johannesburg and Sao Paulo. Barcelona, as a white city stayed close the Madrid. So Barcelona temporary deleted. Another point that; Lisbon seems stayed far to Madrid. We'll correct the place of Lisbon now, soon or later.

Madrid seems south of Amsterdam, but according to global map, it could stayed the south west of the Amsterdam. We'll see which one is true, next a day.

Lisbon

Red and green values together:

Madrid   Lisbon   503
Lisbon   NY   4847
Lisbon   Beijing   9675
Sao Paulo - Lisbon: 7.947      
Lisbon Toronto 5726      
Lisbon Amsterdam 1864      
Lisbon Sao Paulo 7947      
Lisbon Istanbul 3237      
Lisbon Moscow 3907   
   
This point is correct enough to be agreed as new place for Lisbon.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/kOWE6q.png)

Lisbon becomes 4th green point in west Europe.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/QV7Qzg.png)

Todays working;

We tried to arrive the center from Asian side. In this aim, we have tried to do it directly from Russia but could not success. As a second try, we have tried the Indian cities but it was not succesfull too. As a third try, we have tried the west Europe and this operation was succesfull.

We added Madrid as a new green city and greened the colors of London as Lisbon. Barcelona and Kochi (south India) are deleted because stayed wrong places. As a result of changing Lisbon and addin Madrid, so west African cities except Johannesburg the green color have changed the color magenta.

Will be continued tomorrow.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 13, 2018, 11:32:10 PM
Toulouse

Toulouse   Madrid      553
Toulouse   Lisbon      1038
Toulouse   London      886
Toulouse   Amsterdam      1008
Toulouse   St.Petersburg      2653
Toulouse   Istanbul      2272

(https://i.hizliresim.com/G90Ngv.png)

There is a perfect intersection here and I greened this city. But there is remain a difference with London. So we'll control the distance with London. If it verifies that place, stays green, if does not, we'll decide something else.

Toulouse   London      886 1152
A320 1:33 743

Now we'll use 1152 instead of 886.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/p6WkDz.png)

As we clearly see that, this distance 1152 that we calculated by flight time, perfectly overlapped with the point. So we can say that real distance between London and Toulouse is 1152; oppositely goole's lie as 866. If you ask it to google that, "if Toulouse is far to London just 866, why the flight time is more than 1:30 hours?" ; then propably they'll say you a story about winds. So the winds between London and Toulouse always blow the opposite direction. If you fly London to Toulouse, so winds blow from Toulouse to London; and if you fly the opposite route, so you'll find the winds blow against your direction agains. Corrected; winds are pcsicopath and don't like Toulouse people. Almost their only job to slow down the people. ;D

Toulouse is added as 5th green point in west Europe.

Re Adding the Barcelona

I marked the circle come from London as red because it is clear that google is saying lie about distances between London and Spanish cities.  ;)
Barcelona   Toulouse      254
Barcelona   Madrid      505
Barcelona   Lisbon      1007
Barcelona   London      1138
Barcelona   Amsterdam      1239
Barcelona   St.Petersburg      2820
Barcelona   Istanbul      2234

(https://i.hizliresim.com/YgNpZz.png)

Oh, nice! One more time, google is saying lie about distance between London and Spanish cities. They are more far than google's claim.

Lets prove:

Barcelona   London      1138 1456 corrected as 1.377
A320 1:57 774

(https://i.hizliresim.com/6JXbj7.png)

Flight time is perfectly overlapped with this place!

Proved. Google is saying lie about distances between London and Spanish cities. Because the real distances don't overlap with their fake/imaginary so called map.

As a result, Barcelona is re added and turned to its color as green.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/YgNpAl.png)

Continue with Paris...
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 14, 2018, 12:14:21 AM
PARIS

Because of google saying lie to public about distances between London and Europe, we'll show the circle come from London as red.

Also as a white city, distances with Istanbul is more correct than distance with London. What a shame as one of the biggest company in the world.

Paris ORY   Barcelona      816
Paris ORY   Toulouse      574
Paris ORY   Madrid      1040
Paris ORY   Lisbon      1444
Paris ORY   London      356
Paris ORY   Amsterdam      443
Paris ORY   St.Petersburg      2173
Paris ORY   Istanbul      2251

(https://i.hizliresim.com/lOWRzg.png)

There is two possiblity.

Sounds like one more time London has a problem with both these points. Additionally we'll calculate the distance with Amsterdam for be sure the point. These two city are enough we be sure its real place.

Paris ORY   London      356 576
A170 1:03 569

Paris ORY   Amsterdam      443 472
B738 (Transavia Holland) 0:42 626
B738 (Transavia France) 0:50 626
(I considered two different companies because both are not well known companies)

Lets try again but with flight times:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/z0BqgO.png)

I decided this place for Paris. This plays stay on the right side of the path between Toulouse to London; like how stays in glob maps. Corrected and greened.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/oOklA7.png)

Continue with whole Europe...
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 14, 2018, 12:51:24 AM
Zurich

We'll not get considered distance between London, because we have proved that google is saying lie about the distances between London to Europe, because their fake/imaginary, so called map doesn't overlaps the real distances between London and Europe. What a shame for google!

Zurich   Paris ORY      483
Zurich   Barcelona      835
Zurich   Toulouse      693
Zurich   Madrid      1246
Zurich   Lisbon      1723
Zurich   Amsterdam      615
Zurich   St.Petersburg      1986
Zurich   Istanbul      1769

(https://i.hizliresim.com/dOGEbL.png)

There is two points are possible. We have to examine two route for understand which one is true.

Before do that, I'll change the place of Paris from Orlie airport to Charles de Goal. Because there is no flight between Orly to Zurich but exist from "Gaulle" (could not they find an easier name).

From Orly to De gaulle 34kms  through Amsterdam. Paris has moved 34 kms through Amsterdam and changed the airport repreasnt it to Charles De Gaulle.

Done. (You have not see these details)

Zurich   Paris (Charles de gaulle)   476 664
A318 1:06 630
A320 1:06 630

Zurich   Amsterdam      604 949
A321 1:23 695
B737 1:21 700

Now we see why do these two circles misses the other intersection point.

Because of google want to convince people to their map is true, so that sayint lie about distances between Zurich to Amsterdam and Zurich to paris.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/qGWndR.png)

As a result, a white city; caused by God damn google's many lies!
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 14, 2018, 03:12:43 AM
Rome

Rome   Paris      1105
Rome   Barcelona      858
Rome   Toulouse      920
Rome   Madrid      1363
Rome   Lisbon      1862
Rome   Amsterdam      1297
Rome   St.Petersburg      2347
Rome   Istanbul      1376

(http://i.hizliresim.com/PlrAdO.png)

Directly green without any doubt.

Istanbul has moved through Rome 40kms in the aim of make easier to green it.

Vienna

Vienna   Rome      765
Vienna   Paris      1033
Vienna   Barcelona      1350
Vienna   Toulouse      1261
Vienna   Madrid      1809
Vienna   Lisbon      2299
Vienna   Amsterdam      936
Vienna   St.Petersburg      1583
Vienna   Istanbul      1276

(http://i.hizliresim.com/QV70jv.png)

I see a perfect intersection here. And you?

Vienna is added as a green point.

I was thinking Vienna is North west but now we see it directly west of the Istanbul, but a few north. So google must try to deceive us with magnetic declinations. So that, google must declare magnetic declination in Istanbul as "east", then it makes Vienna a bit more west. Ok. Lets control.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/QV70mG.png)

Done!. Google with claiming a magnetic declination for istanbul through east, saves a part of its map mistakes. Well done!

Continue with greening the Istanbul. The intersection point of west, east, north and south.  ::)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 14, 2018, 03:27:03 AM
Re placing the Istanbul

Istanbul   Vienna      1276
Istanbul   Rome      1376
Istanbul   Paris      2255
Istanbul   Barcelona      2234
Istanbul   Toulouse      2272
Istanbul   Madrid      2738
Istanbul   Lisbon      3237
Istanbul   Amsterdam      2212
Istanbul   St.Petersburg      2106
Istanbul   Yekaterinburg      2861
Istanbul   Dar Essalaam      5422

(http://i.hizliresim.com/0EBaPD.png)

Oh, it is almost a perfect intersection. Although Dar assalaam and Yekaterinburg those we did not used for a while, verified.

As a result, last position of the Istanbul moved through Vienna about 37kms and colored as green.

Map after last changings...

(http://i.hizliresim.com/y03D8a.png)

Continue with the line of: Athens, Tel Aviv and Mecca; in the aim of revealing important places for religions.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 14, 2018, 03:48:17 AM
Athens

Athens   Istanbul      563
Athens   Vienna      1282
Athens   Rome      1051
Athens   Paris      2095
Athens   Barcelona      1877
Athens   Toulouse      1969
Athens   Madrid      2368
Athens   Lisbon      2850
Athens   Amsterdam      2164
Athens   St.Petersburg      2486

With first 3 cities:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/bBG0YZ.png)

I posted it for you see how is it a perfect intersection. There is only 5kms mistaken. It is about a size of an airport  ;D

Ok. I'm adding others now.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/Lbn6gZ.png)

I never saw a perfect intersection like this. More closer looking:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/76NLMN.png)

This is a proof of the reliablity of our map.

As a sign of how it perfectly overlapped and stays in same plece in every wituation, I colored it as yellow, proves it's stablity. (This point never moves, even 5kms, along side of an airport distance)

(http://i.hizliresim.com/Z9Eqdo.png)

I was thinking to add Jerusalem before Mecca, but after I saw the distance between Tel Aviv only 51kms; I changed my mind. After we greened the Tel Aviv, we'll add a yellow circle on Tel Aviv with 51kms missing this yellow circle will represant the Jerusalem.

I'll turned my old plan. I'll continue to go to the east step by step.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 14, 2018, 04:07:19 AM
Antalya

Antalya for coming closer to Tel Aviv and Cairo safely, as a middle point.

Antalya   Athens      629
Antalya   Istanbul      483
Antalya   Vienna      1716
Antalya   Rome      1658
Antalya   Paris      2644
Antalya   Barcelona      2499
Antalya   Toulouse      2578
Antalya   Madrid      2994
Antalya   Lisbon      3478
Antalya   Amsterdam      2646

With first 3 circles:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/G90Jmv.png)

Antalya has 2,73kms misses. I placed it middle of intersectionand correct the mistake as 1.350 metres. You may correct this mistake by walking 2 minutes.  ;D

With other circles:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/MdvZB6.png)

Perfectly overlapped. So that, Antalya is the second city added as yellow to show this city is definitely in this place and never moves!

(http://i.hizliresim.com/VrM78V.png)

Both google and aircrafts have wrong idea about Tel Aviv. So that, I want to add the Cairo before greening the Tel Aviv.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 14, 2018, 04:56:05 AM
Before Cairo;

Aleppo

Aleppo   Antalya      581
Aleppo   Athens      1207
Aleppo   Istanbul      888
Aleppo   Vienna      2158
Aleppo   Rome      2213
Aleppo   Paris      3143
Aleppo   Barcelona      3064
Aleppo   Madrid      3563
Aleppo   Lisbon      4052
Aleppo   Amsterdam      3093

(http://i.hizliresim.com/rO2Dom.png)

I see 10 circles and 10 perfect intersection, and you?

So that, Aleppo is added another yellow point in the map, shows its reliablity more than the green ones.

Baghdad

Baghdad   Aleppo      735
Baghdad   Antalya      1306
Baghdad   Athens      1934
Baghdad   Istanbul      1608
Baghdad   Vienna      2857
Baghdad   Paris      3860
Baghdad   Madrid      4297
Baghdad   Amsterdam      3785
Baghdad   Dar Essalaam      4495

(http://i.hizliresim.com/z0BDXR.png)

Baghdad as another yellow point.

Tehran

Tehran   Baghdad      696
Tehran   Aleppo      1284
Tehran   Antalya      1858
Tehran   Athens      2469
Tehran   Istanbul      2038
Tehran   Paris      4210
Tehran   Amsterdam      4065
Tehran   Dar Essalaam      4896
Tehran   Yekaterinburg      2449

(http://i.hizliresim.com/5DQvAl.png)

9/10 are perfectly overlapped and one is a bit missed; Yekaterinburg. We know google is saying lie about Russia and showing its as bigger; than this difference is understandable.

Yellowed.

Mecca

For a while, rounder heads are constantly debating me about my religinal beliefs. They are forcing me to add Mecca, by subconscious games. I understand it but even so I'll add it. I already will add it now. But we understand that maybe some surprises are waiting us in Mecca. lets see.

Mecca   Tehran      1946
Mecca   Baghdad      1396
Mecca   Aleppo      1664
Mecca   Antalya      1931
Mecca   Athens      2401
Mecca   Istanbul      2405
Mecca   Paris      4495
Mecca   Amsterdam      4553
Mecca   Dar Essalaam      3141
Mecca   Yekaterinburg      4288

With only using the 5 yellow circles:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/vjpGoO.png)

Perfectly overlaps. With adding the green ones:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/8YdOkr.png)

Still overlaps, but not perfect as old one. Yekaterinburg and Dar As Salaam misses a bit. Perhaps google is saying lie about them.

As a result, Mecca is added perfectly and colored as yellow to show its perfectly placed and never moves.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/D7d1Mz.png)

I added small points in the center of Pole and Mecca. You may find your pray direction by draw two lines to Mecca and Pole. Or you may wait for me declare the pray directions for some cities. the choice is up to you.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 14, 2018, 05:05:27 AM
Pray direction for Istanbul: 120 degrees (not 148 degrees)

(http://i.hizliresim.com/VrMOXr.png)

google claims:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/G907o2.png)

Wrong!

The difference between real value (120 degrees) and google value (148 degrees) is more than error limit for prays as clericals general acceptation 18-20 degrees.

148-120 = 28 degrees. > 20 degrees error limit for pray direction !!

I'm right. Google is playing game against muslims and directs them to wrong direction. I want to show you where is the 148 degrees:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/0EBXDB.png)

About Jerusalem. There is 1 degrees mistake remained but it is the google and our mistake together.

This was my concern that google deliberately misleading the muslims to let them pray through their Qibla Jerusalem instead of Qibla of muslims, Mecca.

Thats the reason of these confusing games!
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 14, 2018, 05:19:15 AM
Pray direction for Tehran

(http://i.hizliresim.com/1JgbJ5.png)

-158 degrees.

And google claims:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/9mdza8.png)

Google claims it as -141 ;

There is 17 degrees mistaken.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 14, 2018, 05:41:27 AM
Pray Direction for Brisbane

This may be lets Rabinoz to start pray:  ;D

(http://i.hizliresim.com/5DQ0BR.png)

29 degrees North West.

What google claims:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/dOGrm4.png)

280 degrees. It means 360-280= 80 degrees North to west.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/9mdznN.png)

Google directs muslims in Australia to pray through somewhere between Perth and Denpasar.

The choice is yours! Listen me and direct through Mecca or listen infidel google and direct your pray through Ocean!
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 14, 2018, 05:57:02 AM
Almati

Almati   Beijing      3276
Almati   Xian      2932
Almati   Tehran      2331
Almati   Istanbul      3904
Almati   St Petersburg      3607
Almati   Amsterdam      5241
Almati   Delhi      1628
Almati   Novosibirsk      1378
Almati   Astana      970
Almati   Moscow      3101

(http://i.hizliresim.com/OoL6JA.png)

There is a good intersection point. But not perfect. I may add it as white but I'll more focus on flight times and try to green it.

As a result; Almati for greening the Center from Asian side again.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/MdvGX2.png)

First attemp is unsuccesfull. We'll try it tomorrow by considering flights from green and yellow points. Then we'll see one more time, how google  was deceived the public.

Last situation of the map.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 15, 2018, 05:59:25 AM
Second attemp to Almati.

Almati

Almati   Beijing      3274 3.550
A320 4:13 852
B738 4:24 856

Almati   Tehran      2331 2.876
E190 3:35 832

Almati   Istanbul      3932 3.981
A320 4:44 852
A330 4:45 862
B739 4:58 856

Almati   St Petersburg      3613 3.864
A321 4:42 852

Almati   Delhi      1646 2393
A321 3:06 800

Almati   Novosibirsk      1359 1.563
E170 2:04 784

Almati   Astana      952 1148
A320 1:20 (air astana) 760
A321 1:43 (air astana) 760
A333 1:38 (Lufthansa) 770
B737 1:21 (scat airlines) 755

Almati   Moscow      3124 3.254
A320 3:51 852
A321 4:04 852

Almati   Urumqi      866 1.242
E190 2:04 China southern 750 1.495
A320 1:22 (inconsistency) air astana 750 990

Almati added as a white point.

Re-placing the Moscow

Moscow   Beijing   6263
Kunming   Moscow   6531
Lisbon Moscow 3907      
St.Petersburg   Moscow   641
Moscow   Istanbul   1782 2.107
A320 2:42 809
Moscow   Yekaterinburg      1437 1683
A321 2:06 790
B738 2:18 795

(http://i.hizliresim.com/XPEY0k.png)

Moscow is re placed and its color changed as a green.

Whole Russian cities except Almati turned to Magenta. We'll examine them one by one again.

As we see that, gang/google is playing many games on Russia. But we'll solve them how we solve the Devil.

For today, that's all. I was busy today. Tomorrow I hope I can find more times for work on the map.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 16, 2018, 01:16:06 AM
Baku

Baku   Istanbul      1.787 1.659
A320 2:04 (Azerbayjan airlines) 809
B738 2:28 (Turkish airlines-(Not Turk)) inconsistent
B763 2:09 (Azerbayjan airlines) 822

Baku   Tehran 570 617
A320 0:56 (Iran Airlines, all reliable) 686

Baku   Tel Aviv 1.652 1.847
A320 israir 2:22 809
A320 Azerbayjan Airlines 2:27 809

Baku   Antalya 1.715 1.574
E190 2:01 809

Baku   Moscow 1.958 2.369
B738 2:59 823

Baku   St.Petersburg 2.552 2.647
E190 3:16 840

Baku   London 4.006  3.724
B788 4:17 901

Baku   New York 9.371 8.611
B748 9:44 909
B788 9:54 909

Baku   Beijing 5.510 5.655
767 6:40 879

(http://i.hizliresim.com/0EG12R.png)

Some corrected distances with Baku:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/QVpa4G.png)

You may consider these distances and see which places google is deceiving us.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/5DGg4l.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 18, 2018, 11:37:12 PM
Have a nice week.

This week we'll continue to solve the Russia. In past week, we arrived a result that "global gang" has made everything to hide the real shape of the Russia. So that we have decided to add cities around Russia one by one with all our care. Lets continue with...

Tashkent

Tashkent   Baku 1.619 1.535
A320 1:58 809

Tashkent   Almati 680 685
A320 0:59 710
A321 1:01 710

Tashkent   Istanbul 3.361 3.236
A332 3:58 862
B788 3:39 901

Tashkent   London 5.267 5.101
B752 6:05 869

Tashkent   Rome 4.661 4.749
B752 5:41 866

Tashkent   St.Petersburg 3.369 3.370
A319 4:10 852
B763 3:58 866

Tashkent   Moscow 2.821 2752
A321 3:23 (Aeroflot) 843

Tashkent   Beijing 3.947 4.140
A332 5:04 852
B752 4:52 876

Tashkent   Delhi 1.582 1.890
A320 2:30 800
B752 2:19 814
B764 2:25 823

Tashkent   Singapore 5.643 6.114
B764 7:13 878

(http://i.hizliresim.com/D77rPl.png)

There is a perfect intersection here. None of the circles stay out. There is just a bit miss remained with Almati, but Almaati as a white point maybe a bit changed. So that Tashkent is added as a green point in the map.

After now, we have a strong point near south of center Russia.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/m22akP.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 18, 2018, 11:53:13 PM
Re placing Urumqi

First values are green as first example:

Almati   Urumqi   1242   866
Kunming   Urumqi   3289   2519
Urumqi   Beijing   2806   2434
Urumqi   Xi'an   2359   2108
Urumqi   Novosibirsk   1986   1283
Urumqi   Astana   1520   1437
Urumqi   Moscow   4529   3734

(http://i.hizliresim.com/kOOaMm.png)

With a bit change the color of Urumqi turned the green.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 19, 2018, 01:09:23 AM
Re placing the Dubai

Last time, we have placed Dubai with red values, so that it doesn't placed as a green point. This time we'll use the green values and try to make it green.

Dubai   Kunming      4765 4469 (early calculated)

Dubai   Istanbul      3011 3273
B77W (Emirates) 3:51 885
B77W (Turkish A.) 3:49 885

Dubai   Johannesburg      6428 6701
A388 7:45 908
B77W 7:43 888

Dubai   Beijing      5835 6235
A333 7:28 864
A388 7:10 903

Dubai   Dar Essalaam      3968 4558
B738 5:06 (suspicious-fly dubai) 856 (B738 can't run faster than B77w)
B77w 5:09 885

Dubai   Tokyo      7926 7543
B77w 8:47 890

Dubai   Moscow      3681 4047
B738 4:54 856

Dubai   St.Petersburg      4307 4625
B77w 5:25 885

Dubai   London      5670 5516
A388 6:17 908
B772 6:31 879

Dubai   Lisbon      6132 6112
B77w 7:08 888

Dubai   NY      11004 10091
A388 11:25 916

Dubai   Los Angeles      13383 13361
A388 15:03 920

Dubai   Sao Paulo      12232 11896
A388 13:24 920

Dubai   Sydney      12049 11852
A388 13:21 920

Dubai   Perth      9040 8623
A388 9:54 913
B77W 10:15 893

Dubai   Tashkent 2.196 2151
B788 2:40 879 Suspicious)
B738 is possible: 836kmh

Dubai   Urumqi 3565  4.144
B738 5:01 856

Dubai   Mecca 1.700 2.061
A320 2:33 809
A388 2:35 855

Dubai   Baghdad 1400 1.792
747 1:49 (Iraq airways)-suspicious 829 1453
B77w 2:06 (Emirates) 815 1651

Fly Dubai, with the claim of they are running a B738 faster than a B77W of Emirates Airlines which one of the most reliable airlines, that technically impossible, so is black listed.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/EPP0qA.png)

There is a good intersection point here and Dubai is greened.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 19, 2018, 02:28:25 AM
Re placing the Novosibirsk

novosibirsk is crying for we place it but it is almost impossible ro determine its real place. It is definitely caused by Russian drunk pilot mistakes. Anyway. We are trying to do it again:

Green values (first ones are green as example)

Novosibirsk   Yekaterinburg   1488   1372
Novosibirsk   Moscow   2727   2804
Novosibirsk   Beijing   3193   2998
Harbin   Novosibirsk   2946   3210
Urumqi   Novosibirsk   1986   1283
Almati   Novosibirsk   1563   1378

Additionally:

Novosibirsk   Tashkent 1.819 1.896
A320 2:24 819

(http://i.hizliresim.com/Z99q83.png)

This place for Novosibirsk seems good. Not a perfect intersection and the point is a few estimated. So that it is colored white for now.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 19, 2018, 03:51:03 AM
Re adding the Krasnoyarsk

Krasnoyarsk   Novosibirsk (white city) 632
whole flights are suspicious. There is no a reliable flight inside 3 airlines flying in this route. How interesting. If you don't believe me, look and see by yourself.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=ovb&destination=KJA

Click any of aircraft and see the nonsence! These aircraft companies almost agreed to confuse the public with lies! They don't provide any a bit reliable information!

Krasnoyarsk   Tashkent 2.358 2542
A320 3:10 832

Krasnoyarsk   Moscow 3.3303708
A320 4:30 852
B738 4:30 856

Krasnoyarsk   Saint Petersburg 3.558 3768
A320 4:35 (suspicious) 852

Krasnoyarsk   Yekaterinburg 1.933 2187
A320 2:45 (suspicious) 824

Krasnoyarsk   Beijing 2.508 2620
A320 3:53  838

Krasnoyarsk   Harbin 2.609 2520
A320 3:35 ( 838

(Between distances to Harbin and beijing, opposite of google's claim is true, accordingly the flight times!)

It was a suspicious event occurred in the direction between Novosibirsk and Krasnoyarsk. So that I more detailed examined them.

In google map, Krasnoyarsk is a bit north of Novosibirsk.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/2JJdPd.png)

Lets calculate how much north:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/azzvl2.png)

Novosibirsk is About 7 degrees through south.

novosibirsk and Krasnoyarsk are in about same latitude, same distance to sea, same altitude. So their weather shoule be close. If Krasnoyarsk is a bit North, like the claim of google, it should be a bit cold compared to the Novosibirsk.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/XPPGlD.png)

Krasnoyarsk -14

(http://i.hizliresim.com/lOOXQg.png)

Novosibirsk -16

Temperatures sond like Novosibirsk is more North. If it is true, so google could tried to deceive us by using magnetic declination lie. Lets look it:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/nOOd95.png)

According to "magnetic declination" liars, there is 8,43 degrees magnetic declination through east in Novosibirsk.

In other say, if you use a compass, you find Novosibirsk as more north of the Krasnoyarsk.

In other say, meanwhile they are close themselves by latitude, but in fact, Novosibirsk stay a bit North, oppositely google's claim!

In other say, google is saying lie in the aim of deceiving us about the map of the Russia!

Anyway. We'll put these liars (God damn all of them) to a side and consider only the facts!

(http://i.hizliresim.com/azzvbR.png)

There was two point that I could choose. I chosed the southern one, oppositely google's claim the northern one. Because temperatures show it us. Actually there is no a lot of difference. The point is clear , despite all of googl'e try to deceive us, so that Krasnoyarsk is re added but this time, as a green and reliable point!

They are in about same latitude with Novosibirsk but Krasnoyarsk just a very bit stays south.

NASA could not achieve to conquer the Russia but we done. Because, liars do never achieve!

Map situation after Russia has been conquered!

(http://i.hizliresim.com/XPPGZ6.png)

If you take care, google claims Beijing is closer than Harbin to Krasnoyarsk but the flight time between harbin is less. If we look at the map, see Krasnoyarsk is really a bit closer to Harbin than Beijing.

Google! Stop to lie!

Google! Give up the evilness!
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 19, 2018, 04:56:34 AM
Re adding the Astana

Early calculated values:

First values are green and seconds are red as "second" line.

Novosibirsk   Astana      869 (red)
Almati   Astana   1075   970 recalculated
Astana   Beijing   3926   (green)
Ürümqi   Astana   1466   1437
Astana   Istanbul   3536   3428
Astana   Moscow   2315   2296 (moscow is recalculated)
Astana   St.Petersburg   3145   2728
Astana   Yekaterinburg   1083   945
Astana   Beijing   3988   3656
Astana   London   4964   4802

Addidionally:

Astana   Dubai 3.180 3.480
A320 (Air Astana) 4:14 852

There is a perfect green intersection here.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/0EE60B.png)

White circles sounds like missing. They are white cities, so that we may change the position of them. On the other hand, there is some deceivings on the map of the Russia. Perhaps Russians were tried to deceive middle east people by show them a false map so defend themselves against their attacks! Anyway. These two (Novosibirsk and Almati) are two of them.

As a result, the green circles are perfectly intersected and we should make green this city. We'll think about remained two white cities later.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/EPPdWz.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 20, 2018, 12:10:17 AM
Seoul

Seoul seems irrevelant the center of the issue, but it does. Because there is olympic games and aircrafts from all over the world, are flying to Seoul. I can't find this opportunity in another time.

Seoul   Harbin 907 1608
A321 2:14 760
B763 2:07 773

Seoul   Beijing 904 1276
A320 1:43 760
A333 1:43 773
B77W 1:41 794

Seoul   Tokyo 1211 1471
A321 1:55 784
B789 1:52 829

Seoul   Sydney 8353 8757
A388 10:08 909
A388 9:50 909

Seoul   Honolulu 7362 6253
B748 7:11 906
B77L 7:15 890

Seoul   Istanbul 7.945 8133
A332 9:45 869
A333 9:31 869
B77W 9:34 893

Seoul   Moscow 6.593 6993
A333 8:23 864
B77w 8:10 888

Seoul   London 8871 9315
A359 10:37 903
B77w 10:44 893
B789 10:46 909

Seoul   Anchorage 6104 5962
B744 6:46 893
B772 7:11 879

Seoul   Vancouer 8210 7968
B789 9:08 909
B789 9:02 909

Seoul   Toronto 10629 10554
B77w 12:07 894
B789 12:08 910

Seoul   Dallas 11000 10582
B77w 12:14 894
B789 12:05 910

Seoul   Mexico City  12110 11617
B788  13:12 912

(Followings will not be used, but for next workings)

Seoul   Delhi 4658 5303
A332 6:17 864
A333 6:27 864

Seoul   Mumbai 6301 5683
A332 6:49 864

Seoul   Kathmandu 3971 4682
B772 5:29 885

The first think gets our attention is the distance between Seoul and Honolulu. According to the google maps, this distance is 7.362kms.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/76DmdW.png)

But we have some flights fly over this distance about a bit more than 7 hours:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/y0qd9y.png)

We clearly see that "google map is failed!".

Remember the chart of the speed:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/0EzVV9.png)

An aircraft never passes the speed of 920kmh as average speed. And this is possible with the best aircrafts of B788 and A388. The others can't achieve to arrive this speed. The best speed for this aircraft B748 is 909 kmh.

If this aircraft runs 7:11 hours in a distance of 7.362 kms; so the average speed is: 7362kms/7:11= 1.025kmh. This is technically impossible. There is no aircraft in the air can achieve a speed of 1.000 kms as average. If somebody claim it, says lie.

This is not only aircraft. The other one is a B77L and runs this path with 7:15 as best (about same)

(http://i.hizliresim.com/MdDYZN.png)

This aircraft has same speed in the air with the other one and this is impossible too.

Both aircraft companies are different and reliable!

So what? So, this distance is not 7.362, oppositely the biggest liars of the world, "google, yandex and NASA's claims", but about only 6.000kms. There is no another solution!

Another problem:

"Distance between Harbin and Seoul".

If this distance is just 900kms like google's claim, so why can't any of aircraft run under 2:00 hours! Why can't they? The best time between this cities is "2:07 HOURS!". A time more than 2:00 hours, isn't it much for a distance about 900kms?

If this was true, this aircraft runs under the speed of 450kmh. This is impossible. If an aircraft runs with this speed, the company ruins.

So what? So, the liar google map is failed again!

Ok. Lets turn to the our work, in the light of the facts!

(http://i.hizliresim.com/W7D2Om.png)

There is a perfect place stays in whole 13 circles. So that this is green. For we see the mistake of the google; in other say, how google is saying lie, I want to type some true distances. Than we'll see how overlap our values with flight times, better than google so called map's overlapping.

City A city B / google's so called distance/ calculated distance by flight time / real distance (on the map)
Seoul Harbin / 907 / 1608 / 1367
Seoul Beijing / 904 / 1276 / 1102
Seoul Tokyo / 1211 / 1471 / 1203
Seoul Honolulu / 7362 / 6253 / 5700
Seoul Sydney / 8353 / 8757 / 6154

The only true distance in these 5, Seoul to Tokyo distance. Google is saying lie about distance from Seoul through harbin, Beijing, Honolulu and Sydney. If we want to do, so we may examine the other distances and reveal more lie of google. This is enough for this city.

This city is definitely far to Beijing, oppositely the google's claim. If it was close like that, so the Chinemen could take it in the history.

As a result, Seoul is added as a reliable and green point! Google is definitely saying lie about the place of Seoul and caught on fake to the map!

(http://i.hizliresim.com/76DmlP.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 20, 2018, 02:08:12 AM
Irkutsk

Krasnoyarsk   Irkutsk 887 872
Su9 1:13 743

Novosibirsk   Irkutsk 1.461 1702
A320 2:15 784

Tashkent   Irkutsk 2.908 3450
B738 4:13 848

Yekaterinburg   Irkutsk 2.811 2942
A320 3:37 843

Moscow   Irkutsk 4.215 4465
B738 5:24 857

Irkutsk   Beijing 1.646 1882
A320 2:34 809
B738 2:20 (Hainan) 813

Irkutsk   Seoul 2.378 2823
A320 3:31 832

(http://i.hizliresim.com/A1zY0r.png)

This place is correct enough. Stays inside all the circles and saves the distance with Krasnoyarsk, the nearest city.

General looking of the map after Itrusk is added:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/dOBqor.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 20, 2018, 03:28:35 AM
Re adding the Yakutsk

St Petersburg   Yakutsk 4847 5052
B738 6:07 (suspicious) 856

Moscow   Yakutsk 4876
B738 6:33 856

Novosibirsk   Yakutsk 2778 2918
B738 3:48 848
B738 3:20 848

Irkutsk   Yakutsk 1861 1959
B738 2:28 823

Seoul   Yakutsk 2.750 3396
B738 4:09 (suspicious) 848

(http://i.hizliresim.com/bB64q8.png)

This place for Yakutsk stays inside circles and meaningfull by temperatures. On the other hand, Yakutsk seems in the North East of the Beijing. And in the global map, Yakutsk really stay north east of the Beijing. These are consistent.

A white point is useful.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/0Ez4bZ.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 20, 2018, 04:14:58 AM
Re placing the New Delhi

(first ones are green values like first line)
Seoul   Delhi   5308   4658
Almati   Delhi   2393   1628
Tashkent   Delhi   1890   1582
Astana   Delhi   3148   2545
Vancouer New Delhi 11.151 13.423         
Kunming   Delhi   2491   2589
Shangai   Delhi   4630   4295
         
New Delhi   Istanbul   4849   
New Delhi   Tokyo   6095   
New Delhi   Beijing   4669   
New Delhi   Moscow   4957   
New Delhi   London   6983   
New Delhi   NY   11396   

(http://i.hizliresim.com/MdDP21.png)

Do you see the light? I marked new point in a bit upper side of the old point. This place corrects whole distances so that I changed its color as green.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/3Ez1J0.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 20, 2018, 04:25:24 AM
Re placing the Mumbai

First values are green like first line

Seoul   Mumbai   5683   6301
Mumbai   Amsterdam   6924   6867
Mumbai   Toronto   12694   12508
Mumbai   Beijing   5192   4769
Mumbai   Tokyo      6793
Mumbai   Delhi   1413   1139
Mumbai   Dubai   2249   1928
Mumbai   Kathmandu   1726   1595
Mumbai   Hong Kong      4276
Mumbai   Addis Ababa   3927   3839
Mumbai   Istanbul   4821   4824
Mumbai   New York   12207   13136

(http://i.hizliresim.com/9mN9Z8.png)

This green point that stay in the downside of its name, new place for Mumbai verifies whole distances, so that does colored as green.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/6JNlLE.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 20, 2018, 05:11:02 AM
Re placing the Kathmandu

(First values are green like first line)
Seoul   Kathmandu   4682   3971
Mumbai   Kathmandu   1726   1595
Kahtmandu   Xi'an      2346
Kahtmandu   Kunming   2029   1774
Kahtmandu   Singapore   3896   3541
Kahtmandu   Hong Kong   3204   2935
Kahtmandu   Delhi   1055   817
Kahtmandu   Dubai   2821   2995
Kahtmandu   Istanbul   5322   5308

(http://i.hizliresim.com/z0MgEY.png)

This is the only place verifies whole circles.

As a result, Kathmandu is replaced and colored as green.

Re placing the Bangalore

(First values are the green ones as the first line)

Bangalore   London   7876   8056
Bangalore   Amsterdam   7646   7702
Bangalore   Dubai   2752   2698
Bangalore   Hong Kong   4353   3960
Bangalore   Delhi   1964   1711
Bangalore   Hyderabad   590   457
Bangalore   Mumbai   1059   835
Bangalore   Kolkata   1650   1548

(http://i.hizliresim.com/bB6jYm.png)

This point is correct enough. Stays about the intersection of the nearest 3 cities. A bit outside of the big circles but they may be a bit more than it corrects it. This is a reliable point but we color it as white just in case.

We'll use Bangalore as a green point and if it verifies the whole Indian cities, we'll convert it to green by itself.

Map after Bangalore, India is re placed:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/qGv3Mq.png)

Re placing the Kolkata

(First values are green as the first line)

Kolkata   Hyderabad   1400   1208
Kolkata   Kunming   1455   1498
Kolkata   Singapore   3005   2096
Kolkata   Bengaluru   1638   1548
Kolkata   Delhi   1381   1315
Kolkata   Mumbai   1744   1667
Kolkata   Hyderabad   1400   1208
Kolkata   Dubai   3359   3369
Kolkata   Kathmandu   833   641

(http://i.hizliresim.com/jy6LQj.png)

This place for Kolkata is till enough to be a green point.

Map before re placing the Heydarabad. If we achieve to green it, then green the Bangalore too. If we can't achieve to green the Heydarabad, then think another solve.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/QV2JVr.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 20, 2018, 05:39:17 AM
Re placing the Hyderabad

(First values are green as first example)

Hyderabad   Delhi   1518   1267
Hyderabad   Mumbai   932   622
Kolkata   Hyderabad   1400   1208
Hyderabad   London   7702   7762
Bangalore   Hyderabad   590   457
Hyderabad   Dubai   2673   2548
Hyderabad   Singapore   3393   3310
Hyderabad   Hong Kong   3639   3750
Kochi   Hyderabad   1054   820

(http://i.hizliresim.com/rO1j4m.png)

This place is correct enough till to convert it as green. It stays on the circle come from Bengaluru so that makes it green too.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/3EzNy5.png)

End of the India! We have got the India  8)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 20, 2018, 06:01:02 AM
A general thinking on the map

(http://i.hizliresim.com/lOZkyb.png)

We know that low IQ Aussie pilots are running more time than required, when they go to Beijing.

This is my recommendation:

Close the GPS till arrive the Beijing.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/4azLbG.png)

1- Close the GPS.
2- Find a basic compass works properly in aircraft.
3- Set your direction through direct North with 9 degrees to west.
4- Run with all your speed till arrive about 6.700kms. There is only 300kms remained and if you made everything okey, you have to get signals from nearest radars.
5- Open GPS and Complete remained distance with using your GPS (for be competibled to land radar systems for landing)

Good luck.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 21, 2018, 02:24:27 AM
Compulsory break.

Next a few days, there will be no working on the map. During the break, I'll take the questions and suggestions about map.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 27, 2018, 12:13:46 AM
Re placing the Casablanca

Pre calculated values (first are green like first line)

Casablanca   NY   5200   5802
Casablanca   Lisbon   540   619
Casablanca   Sao Paulo   7454   7549
Casablanca   London   2082   2096
Casablanca   Istanbul   3501   3313
Casablanca   Barcelona   1254   1228
Casablanca   Lagos   3111   3187
Casablanca   Amsterdam   2774   2330

(http://i.hizliresim.com/aznQ65.png)

This place stays inside all circles, verifies distance to the nearest city. A bit difference remanined to distance with Sao Paolo but it can be tolerable. So that, the color of Casablanca has moved and turned to green.

Re placing the Lagos

With google values:

Casablanca   Lagos   3187
Madrid   Lagos   3844
Amsterdam   Lagos   5109
Johannesburg Lagos      4497
Lagos Addis Ababa      3901
Lagos Tel Aviv      4319
Lagos London      5020
Lagos NY      8481
Lagos   Istanbul   4603

(http://i.hizliresim.com/D7ObZO.png)

We arrived a nonsence by using google distances. So that, it is clear these distances are lie. So we'll use the flight distances. We need only nearest ones, because the others already verifies. I'll choose the 4 suspicious route and one of the group which shows a similar place. I typed "one of these group" and will choose one of them.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/vja21z.png)

Lagos Addis Ababa      3901 4.213
B77w 4:56 885

Johannesburg Lagos      4497
There is only one air company between these airports: South African airlines. They are in the black list. So that, this route will not be used!

Lagos NY      8481
Flight is absent!

Lagos   Istanbul   4603 4.941
A332 5:56 863

Casablanca   Lagos   3187 3.188
B738 3:40 901

There is only 3 reliable routes. So that, we'll add some other routes to the list:

Atlanta    Lagos   9406 8.553
A332 10:23 869 (Suspicious because A332 is weak for this distance) so that this circle will be red for a prevention to a fraud.

London   Lagos   5010 5.177
A346 6:05 882

Dubai Lagos      5902 5549
B77L 6:29 887

Lagos   Nairobi      3835 4043
B788 4:39 901

(http://i.hizliresim.com/0E0J8R.png)

All the green circles verify that point. Red circles was already suspicious. But even so, I'll use white circle with green name for this city. This means this point is reliable but can't verify whole distances.

After some dishonesties of some companies are solved:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/Lbv5pb.png)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on February 27, 2018, 12:25:10 AM
Re placing the Dakar

Red values for Dakar, I hope google will not deceive us for this time. I hope it so!

Dakar   Abidjan      1799
Dakar   Lagos      2456
Dakar   Casablanca      2324
Dakar   Lisbon      2792
Dakar   Barcelona      3520
Dakar   Istanbul      5334
Dakar   Johannesburg      6698

(http://i.hizliresim.com/Lbv54b.png)

There is two points are possible for Dakar. For decide which one is true, we need examine these 3 circles that come from; Johannesburg, Lagos and Istanbul. Other cities already verifies both places.

Dakar   Lagos      2456

There is no flight between these cities. So that this route is suspicious and the circle come from Lagos is deleted.

Dakar   Istanbul      5334
There is no flight between these cities. So that this route is suspicious and the circle come from Istanbul is deleted.

Dakar   Johannesburg      6698
There is no flight between these cities. So that this route is suspicious and the circle come from Johannesburg is deleted.

As a result, Dakar is completely deleted from map. It is a suspicious city.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on March 01, 2018, 05:56:21 AM
Cairo

I'll add the Cairo in the aim of increasing the number of cities and reliable points in Africa.

Cairo   Istanbul 1232 1323
A321 1:45 784
B738 1:49 788

Cairo   Tel Aviv 393
E170 1:08 581

Cairo   Lagos 3.936 4322
B738 5:14 856

Cairo   Johannesburg 6.273 6545
A333 7:51 864

Cairo   Addis Ababa 2.476 2810
B738 3:29 836
B763 3:27 846

Cairo   Dar Essalaam 4.202 4541
A320 5:31 853

Cairo   Casablanca 3.687 3827
B738 4:38 856

Cairo   Beijing 7.541 7701
B773 8:58 890

Cairo   New York 9.027 8272
B773 9:36 (best) 893

Cairo   Mumbai 4.347 4173
A330 5:01 862

There is an ordinary intersection here. Tel Aviv the white city has moved through Macca for 350kms. And Cairo has added as a white city.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/Z9nEZZ.png)

N D'jamena

Paris   N d'jamena 4.263 4478
A332 5:23 862

Casablanca   N d'jamena 3.298 3510
B738 4:15 856

N d'jamena   Istanbul 3.482 4997
B739 6:03 856

N d'jamena   Cairo 2.621 2.996
A320 3:41 843

N d'jamena   Addis Ababa 2.624 2836
B738 3:28 848

N d'jamena   Nairobi 2.847 2700
B738 3:18 848

(http://i.hizliresim.com/EP2RMB.png)

N D'jamena is added as a white point.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/m2RkW2.png)

Khamchatsky is added as an estimation but point is strong enough till color it white.

We'll find the point of Bering street by intersections of these lines:

North west of the Anchorage, North east of the Kamchatsky:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/D7GdZz.png)

Diomede is added as the center of the Bering Strait.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/OoaLQQ.png)

Barrow, as the northernmost point of Alaska is added by considering distances to Diomede and Anchorage.

Center of the earth moved through Irkutsh 287,67kms. (Because of technical reasons)

(http://i.hizliresim.com/A1GyQL.png)

Now we'll find the northernmost point of America continent! There are 3 candidates:

Google claims two: Alert as the top of the Canada, and the northern point of Greenland. And I claim an island seems more modest :)

(http://i.hizliresim.com/EP2yzz.png)

You see my candidate as the northernmost point. But how it won the race. Like this way:

Lets look the google's top point claimin:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/VrB3AB.png)

56 degrees magnetic declination to the west. Do you imagine where is North?

(http://i.hizliresim.com/RnGOJY.png)

This means this point could not been stay here. This point isn't the top of the America continent. But the other one:

Magnetic declination directs only in Borden Island through North.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/5DqGpz.png)

The only opponent for Borden Island is the Ellef Ringnes Island. They are about same distance to N and hard to understand which one is more closer. But the first one shows direct North so I selected it.

As a result, the top of the America continent is added: Borden Island.

I have also added the Tiksi, the northernmost town of the earth.

Result after some addings and corrections:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/oOy637.png)

That's all for today. Till FETÖ doesn't attack and try to hack my computer, this working will be continued...
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on March 02, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Because of FETÖ has attacked my computer today, I have not been able to work on this issue. I'm sorry for this break time. I hope see you on monday.  ::)
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on March 06, 2018, 02:57:48 AM
Qiblah direction for some cities. You may use these angles to determine the Qiblah direction in your city.

(http://i.hizliresim.com/Yg8bP2.png)

If the city you living in hasen't shown in the map or the angle isn't certain; you may draw two lines both center and Qiblah and measure the angle by yourself; like this example:

(http://i.hizliresim.com/NZ8E3L.png)

I pre agree I'm a muslim living in Brisbane.

I drawed a line from Brisbane to Center. I drawed another line from Brisbane to Mecca. Then I find a "360 degree" img from internet. I copy the image to a paint working. I shrinked the 360 degrees and cut it a point let me intersect the center of the 360 degrees shape and  with the brisbane in the map. I readed the values as: 377 and 347. So the result is 30 degrees.

As a result:

Qiblah direction in Brisbane is: 30 degrees North west. Whatever the magnetic declination is, this 30 degrees is an exact value.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on April 16, 2018, 11:43:13 PM
I have started to pairing the map with the earth surface. In this regard, I may accept the offers of help; especially offers come from photoshop specialists.

If nobody helps, so nobody have a right of critise the result. You'll see first versions of the map soon.
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on October 02, 2018, 01:26:03 AM
A schema shows radius of different regions.

Radius of:

Tropic of cancer
Equator line (average sun line)
Tropic of capricorn
Inside Antarctic line
Outside Antarctic line (Border of earth)

According to my calculations, our border is limited by 16.100 km radius or 32.200 kms diameter a circle.

(http://image.ibb.co/dHC4rz/a.png)
Title: VERIFYING FE MODEL DEBUNKING THE GLOBALIST HOAX
Post by: wise on July 25, 2019, 05:08:06 AM
This topic for only discuss how and when I have decided the contradictions whether exist or absent. Those contradictions are mostly in southern hemicake. in fact, the subject is limited to this particular case. but the title has a character limit. based on this, you can also write about the overall topic. but since this is not the main issue, I may not be interested in your questions and may not answer them.

This is the map we talk about.

(https://resimyukle.xyz/d/I5LPPK.png)

You see that southern places seem far compared to globalist model. Actually they are some claims of some flights should be exist. We'll examine why they are not exist.

First we have to define the flightd speeds. I have used this chart, and will use here too. This chart

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/VOdb75.png)

This chart shows the average speed of aircrafts depends on distance. It has created after examined all the flights in a possible time. It has done HERE (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=73165.0)

Okay. We have a chart shows us the average speed of all aircraft depends on distance. It includes all the low speed conditions because of closer airports and an average value for wasting time in lift offs and landings.

Lets open a google maps southern city.

EXAMINATION IN SOUTH AFRICA

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/VU4JH7.png)

We'll do a test to get whether if map shrinks or enlarges while we pass from North to South.

First we should to find two cities have fligt between them in North of Africa and two from South Africa to compare.

In southern hemicake, distances on the global map should be shorter than reality. Because they have no chance but shrink the continent to make up a so called globalist shape. So we have to expect the distances we'll calculate should be more than shown in globalist map.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/KyU1Rz.png)

BZV-DLA 1106 kms. Aircraft flies in 1:35. We don't know the speed of this type of aircraft, hence we'll take the average speed shown as green in the speed chart. It is 797km/h for 1102 kms. We'll take it.

Actual distance is: 797km/h * 1:35 h = 1.262 kms.

Globalist map shows this distance as 12% shrinked because of make up it with a globalist blabla map. Which distance we have used for this distance? Surely, it is not 1106kms. Because we do not have to obey the lies of globularism.

Next one:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/9eGL1M.png)

KGL-BZV distance on globalist map: 1.674kms.
Flight time: 2:15
Speed: 833 kmh (unknown type for 1702)
Actual distance: 1.874kms.

Globalist map shows this distance as 11% shrinked because of make up it with a globalist blabla map. Which distance we have used for this distance? Surely, it is not 1.674kms. Because we do not have to obey the lies of globularism.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/ABGG8e.png)

JNB-TNR distance on evolutionist map: 2.137kms.
Flight duration: 3:00 hours.
Speed: 857kmh (unknown type green value for 2239kms)
Actual distance: 2.571kms.

Globalist map shows this distance as 17% shrinked because of make up it with a globalist blabla map. Which distance we have used for this distance? Surely, it is not 2.137 kms. Because we do not have to obey the lies of globularism.

As we clearly see that, the closer the south, the more the globalist map is applying compression. in fact, because the map has grown larger, it has difficulty in fitting.

I want to continue from johannesburg because it looks funny.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/IB2dWd.png)

JNB-UTT distance on evilness map: 604kms.
Flight duration: 0:51
Speed: 718km/h (by calculation with iteration method in speeds between 565km and 780 km)
Actual distance: 610kms.

As we see that, North-south distances are true in south Africa. Because evils do not need to change it to make up the map. Simple to get it.

So, lets try to east again.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/053SHJ.png)

JNB-SEZ distance on so called globalista map: 3.761kms.
Flight duration: 4:40 (best of all)
Speed: 877kmh (speed in 3200kms distance for A320 type aircraft)
Actual distance: 4.092 kms.

Globalist map shows this distance as 8% shrinked because of make up it with a globalist blabla map. Which distance we have used for this distance? Surely, it is not 3.761kms. Because we do not have to obey the lies of globularism.

RESULT OF EXAMINATION IN AFRICA:

Globalist hoaxhers have shrinked average 10% South Africa to make up it to their lie, hoax, fraud, dishonest maps.

Now. Lets check Indonesia whether shrinked or enlarged in map.

EXAMINATION IN INDONESIA

This working lets us get whether Ocenia shrinked or enlarged in map, by using longest country of Ocenia.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/x6VMf6.png)

CGK-KDI distance on liar map: 1.764kms.
Flight duration: 2:35
Aircraft type: B 738
Speed: 820kmh
Actual distance: 2.118kms.

Globalist fraudents show this distance as 17% shrinked because of make up it with a globalist blabla map. Which distance we have used for this distance? Surely, it is not 1.764kms. Because we do not have to obey the lies of globularism. I think globalist liars think everybody as fool as believe their simple lies.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/A1OyfG.png)

DPS-CKG distance on liar map: 983kms.
Flight duration: 1:40
Aircraft type:A320
Speed: 760kmh
Actual distance: 1.266kms.

Globalist dishonour men show this distance as 22% shrinked because of make up it with a globalist blabla map. Which distance we have used for this distance? Surely, it is not 983kms. Because we do not have to obey the lies of globularism. I think globalist liars think everybody as fool as believe their simple lies.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/y9C0Re.png)

TTE-CGK distance on cgi map: 2.430kms.
Flight duration: 3:15
Aircraft type:A320
Speed: 838kmh
Actual distance: 2724kms.

Satanist so called human beings show this distance as 11% shrinked because of make up it with a globalist blabla map. Which distance we have used for this distance? Surely, it is not 983kms. Because we do not have to obey the lies of globularism. I think globalist liars think everybody as fool as believe their simple lies.

RESULT OF EXAMINATION IN INDONESIA:

Globalist hoaxhers have shrinked Indonesia 17% to make up it to their lie, hoax, fraud, dishonest maps.

EXAMINATION IN SOUTH AMERICA

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/fM7Uf7.png)

BRC-GRU distance on cgi map: 3.029kms.
Flight duration: 3:46
Aircraft type: B738
Speed: 856kmh
Actual distance: 3.224kms.

Egoist so called human beings show this distance as 6% shrinked because of make up it with a globalist blabla map. Which distance we have used for this distance? Surely, it is not 3.029kms. Because we do not have to obey the lies of globularism. I think globalist liars think everybody as fool as believe their simple lies.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/AcazLC.png)

CWB-GRU distance on cgi map: 359kms.
Flight duration: 0:50
Aircraft type: B738
Speed: 577kmh
Actual distance: 480kms.

Psico mappers show this distance as 25% shrinked because of make up it with a globalist blabla map. Which distance we have used for this distance? Surely, it is not 359kms. Because we do not have to obey the lies of globularism. I think globalist liars think everybody as fool as believe their baseless lies.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/edO0G4.png)

IGU-GRU distance on cgi map: 846kms.
Flight duration: 1:33 (1:25 estimated never seen. We are taking lowest flight time, but not estimation)
Aircraft type: B738
Speed: 753kmh (calculated by iteration method between 780 and 1102 kms)
Actual distance: 1167kms.

schizophrenic globalist mappers show this distance as 28% shrinked because of make up it with a globalist blabla map. Which distance we have used for this distance? Surely, it is not 846kms. Because we do not have to obey the lies of globularism. I think globalist liars think everybody as fool as believe their baseless lies.

RESULT OF EXAMINATION IN SOUTH AMERICA

Globalist liar mappers have shrinked South America 20% to make up it to their lie, hoax, fraud, dishonest maps.

RESULTS ON A GLOBALIST MAP

I want to show you what in fact map has to be:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/SSKH1A.png)

As we see that, southern places do not overlap with globularist map.

But it overlaps with flat earth map only:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/UHAAaT.png)

You can find out many other flights prove that earth is enlarging whenever you go through south compared the globularist map. Hence the earth is flat, because only that model overlaps with that reality. Then suddenly a man comes "hey! I found a flight between blabla and blabla south to south less then 10 hours". Its the only answer we can give them: "The earth is flat, get the hell out of here!"
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: Tom Bishop on August 03, 2019, 04:32:08 PM
Read through this thread on ifers. Some are suggesting that manipulation of the flight times is occuring with the long haul flights via rescheduling:

http://ifers.123.st/t69p25-flight-routes-shipping-routes-under-sea-cables
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on August 18, 2019, 11:34:13 PM
A new update has been processed.

New cities from South America have been added:

Quito, Havana, Cancun, San Salvador, Lima, Aruba, Punta Cana,  Buenos Aires, Asuncion, Recife, Carlos de Bariloche, Al Calafate, Santa Cruz, Paramaribo, Cordoba.

The location of Ushuaia, Sao Paolo, Panama and Bogota has been updated, accordingly cities have been added yet.

New cities from Africa
have been added:

Dakar, Abuja, Abidjan, Ouagadougou, Nairobi, Bangui, Kigali, Luanda, Lusaka, Juba, Khartum, N D'jamena.

Some locations have been updated.

The recent version of the map; updated 19.08.2019:

(https://resimyukle.xyz/d/4OdHfS.png)

As we see that, some cities in Africa have been located in southern hemiplane (south of blue line) which located in northern hemisphere in globe maps. A work about it, here. (It is temporary in my signature)

I'll update locations of cities where located South America too. But it is hard to move cities because of verified distances. some cities are located in different hemispheres in South America. I haven't tested it yet. instead, I can now think of the equator line as an ellipse instead of a circle.

Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: hoppy on November 17, 2019, 07:15:49 AM
Wise are you saying the UN logo map is accurate?
Title: Re: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map: 中国是最大的国家。
Post by: wise on November 17, 2019, 08:53:25 AM
Wise are you saying the UN logo map is accurate?

Some. Except distance between Africa to South America. They are farther.
Title: Internet ping times verifies Flat Earth Map, denies globalist hoax
Post by: wise on November 27, 2019, 03:17:19 AM
Nowadays, internet networks have spread all over the world and there is a direct relationship between internet ping times and distances. Based on this data, we can compare two maps.
we will note the internet ping times for some specific cities and see if they are more compatible with global or flat earthmaps.
as a global map data, distance.to website, and we will use wise's numerical flat world map as flat earth data.
Yes, let's get started if we ready.

we will use the following method. first we will consider the official page of one of the largest company in a country. we will see where this page is located from whois record. then we will note the ping times sent here from different cities. I want to start with the most controversial issue.

Chile. I took the biggest web hosting company list from here: https://www.whtop.com/top.10-alexa-ranking/country-cl The first web hosting company in the list is: adx.cl. It is located at Santiago , METROPOLITANA 8581122. This is exactly the city we everytime discuss.

The results of ping times, I've shortified them from shortest to longest times

First Round: Santiago, Chile

Location   IP   Requests   Min   Max   Avg   Std Dev   Loss
Toronto   201.217.240.19   3   142.4 ms   142.4 ms   142.4 ms   0 ms   66%
Paris   201.217.240.19   3   201 ms   201 ms   201 ms   0 ms   66%
London   201.217.240.19   3   200.5 ms   200.5 ms   200.5 ms   0 ms   66%
Amsterdam   201.217.240.19   3   206.8 ms   206.8 ms   206.8 ms   0 ms   66%
Frankfurt   201.217.240.19   3   209.6 ms   209.7 ms   209.7 ms   0 ms   0%
Singapore   201.217.240.19   3   332 ms   332 ms   332 ms   0 ms   66%
Sydney   201.217.240.19   3   336.1 ms   336.3 ms   336.2 ms   0.1 ms   33%

Source of results shown here: (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/3509QI.png)

As we see that, the closest city in this group is Toronto, and the furthest city is Sydney to the Santiago, Chile.

distance.to results, distances to Santiago Chile (kms).

Toronto   8,619.14 (4)
Paris   7.242 (1)
London   7.256 (2)
Amsterdam   7.467 (3)
Frankfurt   7.528 (N/A)
Singapore   16.415 (6)
Sydney   11.350 (5)

there are 2 incompatibilities in the list. With the shortest ping time, Toronto is the fifth closest city on the globalist map. Although the city with the longest ping time is Sydney, it appears to be much closer on the globalist map.

Flat earth map results, distances to Santiago, Chile.
Toronto   8.978 (1)
Paris   12.491 (4)
London   12.030 (2)
Amsterdam   12.369 (3)
Frankfurt   N/A
Singapore   21.177 (5)
Sydney   22.454 (6)

source of wise's flat map data:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/1S4Jd4.png)

this list is consistent with the ping times in terms of the farthest and closest cities. There are some small changes between European cities those in close proximity.

In the first study, we see that Toronto is the closest city to the city of santiago according to the flat world map and this situation is compatible with the ping times. whereas on the globalist map European cities are shown closer. the city of sydney is also the farthest from the flat world map, and although this situation is consistent with the ping times, the globalist map makes it much closer. As we will see from the ping times, the city of Singapore is closer to the city of Santiago, not far away.

First round:

wise's flat map : 1-0 globalist so called map

Second round: South Africa

I want to continue one of the cities in the center of the discussings; Johannesburg South Africa.

First I look at hosting web sites in Johannesburg. I found this page from one of the google results: fire-it.co.za

This website is located in Cape town, South Africa. It is close to Johannesburg and we can get it.

Ping times of cities to Cape Town:

Source: (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/2zRc85.png)

I've eliminated some cities similar. I took one from Europe, one from West one from East of USA to simplify the list and others are remained on the chart. I've listed them from shortest to longest ping times as follow:


Location   IP   Requests   Min   Max   Avg   Std Dev   Loss
Paris   41.203.16.230   3   194.8 ms   195 ms   194.9 ms   0.5 ms   0%
New York   41.203.16.230   3   258.2 ms   259 ms   258.6 ms   0.3 ms   0%
Toronto   41.203.16.230   3   273.4 ms   274.3 ms   273.7 ms   0.7 ms   0%
Bangalore   41.203.16.230   3   320 ms   320.9 ms   320.4 ms   0.6 ms   0%
San Francisco   41.203.16.230   3   328.9 ms   329.6 ms   329.2 ms   0.3 ms   0%
Singapore   41.203.16.230   3   338.1 ms   338.6 ms   338.3 ms   0.2 ms   0%
Tokyo   41.203.16.230   3   405.6 ms   412.8 ms   408.9 ms   2.9 ms   0%
Sydney   41.203.16.230   3   467.7 ms   467.8 ms   467.8 ms   0 ms   0%

According to ping times; Paris is the nearest city to Cape Town, and Sydney one more time the furthest city.

Lets look the distances on globe map.

Distances from Cape Town to cities below on the globalist map:

Distances to Cape Town, ZA.

Paris   9.345 (2)
New York   12.787 (5)
Toronto   13.110 (6)
Bangalore   8.142 (1)
San Francisco   16.490 (8)
Singapore   9.669 (3)
Tokyo   14.736 (7)
Sydney   11.006 (4)

It takes our attention that ping times are completely incompatible with the globalist map. Although bangalore is the fourth city in terms of ping times, it is the closest city on the map, and Sydney has the longest ping time, even though it has a middle row distance on the map.

Lets Look at Flat Eath Map with an Expectation rally us.

Distances to Johannesburg

Paris   9.105 (2)
New York   14.378 (5)
Toronto   14.091 (4)
Bangalore   8.056 (1)
San Francisco   16.776 (LA, instead) (7)
Singapore   12.023 (3)
Tokyo   14.451 (6)
Sydney   17.357 (8)

Source of flat earth map: (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/Jz0yB6.png)

here we see that distances are incompatible too. however, this map has been estimated towards at least the farthest city of sydney.

Map contest round 2. Globalist map was completely irrelevant and wise's flat earth map has estimated the furthest city true.

wise's flat map : 2-0 globalist so called map

This time I want to get a place directly close to Australia. Thus, we had examined one city from three southern semi-circles. this is also the region where we live problem.

I've chosed Perth, westmost big city in Australia.

Third round: Perth, Australia

Chosed web hosting company: hostus web page: hostus.net.au

Ping results:

Location   IP   Requests   Min   Max   Avg   Std Dev   Loss
Sydney   168.1.103.116   3   14.2 ms   15 ms   14.5 ms   0.3 ms   0%
Singapore   168.1.103.116   3   84.5 ms   85 ms   84.7 ms   0.2 ms   0%
Tokyo   168.1.103.116   3   127.4 ms   132.4 ms   129.1 ms   2.3 ms   0%
New York   168.1.103.116   3   212.1 ms   212.9 ms   212.4 ms   0.4 ms   0%
London   168.1.103.116   3   266.5 ms   267 ms   266.8 ms   0.6 ms   0%
Bangalore   168.1.103.116   3   288.7 ms   296.6 ms   291.6 ms   3.6 ms   0%
Frankfurt   168.1.103.116   3   316.5 ms   316.6 ms   316.5 ms   0.7 ms   0%

As image: (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/0RGU3N.png)

Distances to Perth, according to global map:

Sydney   3.288 (1)
Singapore   3.918 (2)
Tokyo   7.923 (4)
New York   18.938 (7)
London   14.483 (6)
Bangalore   6.447 (3)
Frankfurt   13.852 (5)

The globalist map has correctly known the first two cities, but it is incompatible with the ping times of the remaining cities.

lets look the other one, ie the flat earth one.


Sydney   3.047 (1)
Singapore   3.647 (2)
Tokyo   6.788 (3)
New York   15.504 (6)
London   14.571 (5)
Bangalore   7.715 (4)
Frankfurt   N/A

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/H1SHeS.png)

In this map, the first 3 cities overlap correctly, the remaining 3 cities show discordance. as a result, the flat earth map has been more successful than the global map by accurately predicting 3 cities.

Round 3 result:

wise's flat map : 3-0 globalist so called map

This time I want to choose a city from the center of the map. I want to choose Moscow, one of the capitals closest to the center of the world.

Fourth round: St. Petersburg, Russia

chosed web hosting page: https://sitesecure.ru/

Site located at Shcheglovo, RU. This city is close to the St. Petersburg bur far to Moscow. Hence I'll use St. Petersburg instead of Moscow.

test results sitesecure.ru

I've eliminated the Bangalore because it constantly provides irrevelant results with both map, it perhaps as another server problem. Maybe server is down or something else. I've chosed these cities and lined them as follow.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/359z87.png)

Location   IP   Requests   Min   Max   Avg   Std Dev   Loss

London   213.108.250.114   3   50.6 ms   51.9 ms   51.1 ms   0.6 ms   0%
New York   213.108.250.114   3   113.1 ms   114.1 ms   113.5 ms   0.5 ms   0%
San Francisco   213.108.250.114   3   179.9 ms   180.4 ms   180.1 ms   0.5 ms   0%
Tokyo   213.108.250.114   3   288.3 ms   289.4 ms   288.9 ms   0.4 ms   0%
Sydney   213.108.250.114   3   335.3 ms   336.1 ms   335.7 ms   0.6 ms   0%

Globalist map results. Distances to St Petersburg:

London   2.099 (1)
New York   6.744 (2)
San Francisco   8.868 (4)
Tokyo   7.595 (3)
Sydney   14.914 (5)

the results are generally consistent. we see that only two cities have been mis estimated by the globalist map.

Flat Earth Map results. Distances to St Petersburg:

London   2.021 (1)
New York   4.845 (2)
San Francisco   6.989 (3)
Tokyo   7.340 (4)
Sydney   12.779 (5)

source (https://i.resimyukle.xyz/B4Q0L8.png)

We see all results are perfectly overlapped with ping times.


Result of contest:

wise's flat map : 4-0 globalist so called map

We have studied three cities in south and one city from center of the earth. and we have seen that the flat world map gives much more consistent results with the facts. There is no doubt that the world is flat and globalism is a deception and a lie. God damn them, how can they lie!

Only God can judge me; and I am only sure of others.