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Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Round till i die on December 29, 2006, 11:14:49 AM
Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A1: They don't, satellite signals come from radio towers.


Ok, how do u guys explain when you see a satelite in the sky?
Title: Re: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Ea
Post by: Astantia on December 29, 2006, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: "Round till i die"
Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A1: They don't, satellite signals come from radio towers.


Ok, how do u guys explain when you see a satelite in the sky?



Well, it's like this:


1. They are airplanes (really fast government airplanes)
2. They are unexplained phenomenae that the Government uses to back up their claims.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Round till i die on December 29, 2006, 12:21:09 PM
Yeh thats amazing, pretty fucking fast planes. FOOL
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: dysfunction on December 29, 2006, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: "Round till i die"
Yeh thats amazing, pretty fucking fast planes. FOOL


Or else they aren't all that fast, but closer to the ground than you think they are. They're just lights in the sky, how can you possibly judge their altitude?
Title: Re: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Ea
Post by: Wolfwood on December 29, 2006, 12:35:25 PM
Quote from: "Round till i die"
Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A1: They don't, satellite signals come from radio towers.


Ok, how do u guys explain when you see a satelite in the sky?


How do you explain shooting stars or the moon? Do you know how the Moon got up there in the first place?
Title: Re: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Ea
Post by: dantheman40k on December 29, 2006, 12:53:02 PM
Quote from: "Wolfwood"
Quote from: "Round till i die"
Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A1: They don't, satellite signals come from radio towers.


Ok, how do u guys explain when you see a satelite in the sky?


How do you explain shooting stars or the moon? Do you know how the Moon got up there in the first place?


What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Ea
Post by: sydpwnt on December 29, 2006, 12:59:29 PM
Quote from: "Wolfwood"
Quote from: "Round till i die"
Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A1: They don't, satellite signals come from radio towers.


Ok, how do u guys explain when you see a satelite in the sky?


How do you explain shooting stars or the moon? Do you know how the Moon got up there in the first place?


The moon didn't get up there, it's a natural satellite.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 29, 2006, 01:02:21 PM
So, FEer, there's nothing else in the Universe except the Earth ?

Moon is a spotlight ? Sun is a more powerful spotlight ?

And the atmosphere is the limit of the Universe ?

 :lol:
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Yeah, sure... on December 29, 2006, 02:51:44 PM
And (I'm aware of repeating): A theory which consists of possibilities (maybe there are very fast government airplanes, perhaps it's all about gold, possibly ...) is, yeah, a possibility. But if you've got another 'theory' which consists of facts (here we have the RET) and rules the other one out - which one is the one you call true?
Title: Re: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Ea
Post by: Wolfwood on December 29, 2006, 04:51:18 PM
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Quote from: "Round till i die"
Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A1: They don't, satellite signals come from radio towers.


Ok, how do u guys explain when you see a satelite in the sky?


How do you explain shooting stars or the moon? Do you know how the Moon got up there in the first place?


The moon didn't get up there, it's a natural satellite.


Well it is a natural satellite then it must have a natural cause of getting up there.

Can you explain how it got up there? I actually can. But I'm curious to see if you can.

BTW my explination is based on the RE model and is I believe the currently favored theory for how the Moon got up there.
Title: Re: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Ea
Post by: yop69g on December 29, 2006, 05:29:05 PM
Quote from: "Wolfwood"
Quote from: "sydpwnt"
Quote from: "Wolfwood"
Quote from: "Round till i die"
Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A1: They don't, satellite signals come from radio towers.


Ok, how do u guys explain when you see a satelite in the sky?


How do you explain shooting stars or the moon? Do you know how the Moon got up there in the first place?


The moon didn't get up there, it's a natural satellite.


Well it is a natural satellite then it must have a natural cause of getting up there.

Can you explain how it got up there? I actually can. But I'm curious to see if you can.

BTW my explination is based on the RE model and is I believe the currently favored theory for how the Moon got up there.

"Got up" is an expression from the Earth point of view. The Moon is not "up" in space. There's no up and down in space. The Moon is around the Earth, and the Earth around the Sun. Nobody took a big rock and shoted it to the sky... The Moon came from the Big Bang, as well as the rest of the Universe does. But nor the FE nor RE theory can explain where does the Big Bang come from.

There is no place for the expression "getting up". If you really think that the Moon got shoted in the sky by anyone (probably the Government...), then you have NO credibility because we all know that it's impossible, because the rock would be really large, and we wouldn't see it because of perspective. Also, the Moon can't be "not that far", because the position of it would change dramatically if you moved from a point to another, WHICH DOESN'T.
Title: Re: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Ea
Post by: Wolfwood on December 29, 2006, 05:34:39 PM
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Quote from: "Round till i die"
Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A1: They don't, satellite signals come from radio towers.


Ok, how do u guys explain when you see a satelite in the sky?


How do you explain shooting stars or the moon? Do you know how the Moon got up there in the first place?


The moon didn't get up there, it's a natural satellite.


Well it is a natural satellite then it must have a natural cause of getting up there.

Can you explain how it got up there? I actually can. But I'm curious to see if you can.

BTW my explination is based on the RE model and is I believe the currently favored theory for how the Moon got up there.

"Got up" is an expression from the Earth point of view. The Moon is not "up" in space. There's no up and down in space. The Moon is around the Earth, and the Earth around the Sun. Nobody took a big rock and shoted it to the sky... The Moon came from the Big Bang, as well as the rest of the Universe does. But nor the FE nor RE theory can explain where does the Big Bang come from.

There is no place for the expression "getting up". If you really think that the Moon got shoted in the sky by anyone (probably the Government...), then you have NO credibility because we all know that it's impossible, because the rock would be really large, and we wouldn't see it because of perspective. Also, the Moon can't be "not that far", because the position of it would change dramatically if you moved from a point to another, WHICH DOESN'T.


-sigh-

Current theory speculates that during the formation of the earth, it was a giant ball of magma. During this period at some point a asteroid that was roughly the same size, weight, and density of the current moon struck the geletin-like earth. This caused an equally large amount of magma to shoot out from the earth (in the form of a massive splash), this magma fell into orbit around the earth and eventually formed the moon we know of today.

So yeah, in essence the moon did "get up there". According to this theory the moon originated as part of the earth.

BTW could you explain how the moon or the sun "is around" the earth? I know you mean "goes around" the earth and that this isn't your primary language. But I find it rather lame that you comment on my choice of words while using the wrong words yourself.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 29, 2006, 07:19:06 PM
So you admit that the atmosphere is NOT the limit of the Universe, haha. There is the Moon that is outside the atmosphere, and the rock that originally came from far to hit the Earth was, indeed, outside the Earth's atmosphere. I think you talked too much on this one.

How this proves that the Earth is flat ? In no way. But it proves that the Earth is largely more likely to be spheric : when the asteroid hit the Earth to form the Moon, it's more likely that it left a spheric trace, instead of a flat trace.

Oh and it leads me to this : explain how does the moutains get higher and higher. With the FE model, the force would be concentrated to the "center" of the Earth (Which is another point... with the FE model, it's supposed that there's a center to our planet. Where it is ?) so only the moutains near the center would recieve the force to grow up, which is not true because the moutains in West Canada and India grow at the same rate. With the RE model, both moutains are equally near of the center of the sphere.

Good luck!
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Wolfwood on December 29, 2006, 08:11:31 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
So you admit that the atmosphere is NOT the limit of the Universe, haha. There is the Moon that is outside the atmosphere, and the rock that originally came from far to hit the Earth was, indeed, outside the Earth's atmosphere. I think you talked too much on this one.

How this proves that the Earth is flat ? In no way. But it proves that the Earth is largely more likely to be spheric : when the asteroid hit the Earth to form the Moon, it's more likely that it left a spheric trace, instead of a flat trace.

Oh and it leads me to this : explain how does the moutains get higher and higher. With the FE model, the force would be concentrated to the "center" of the Earth (Which is another point... with the FE model, it's supposed that there's a center to our planet. Where it is ?) so only the moutains near the center would recieve the force to grow up, which is not true because the moutains in West Canada and India grow at the same rate. With the RE model, both moutains are equally near of the center of the sphere.

Good luck!


I don't recall ever stating I was an FE'er. My point was that you could NOT explain the moon, so why should you ask anyone else to explain satellites? The explination is the popular theory in how the moon was formed. It was also an explination on how the moon "got up there" since you were making such a big deal out of it (to the point of making an ass out of yourself).

And mountains have various methods of being formed. Some are volcanic and rise with Lava. Others such as the Indian Mountains are two plates clashing together and being forced upwards because the plates are nearly equal in weight. How would this differ at all from the FE model? If you can't explain mountains then, again, why are you asking for an FE explination? You would never believe any answear because you would have no RE related answear to compare it to.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 29, 2006, 08:29:47 PM
Quote from: "Wolfwood"
Quote from: "yop69g"
So you admit that the atmosphere is NOT the limit of the Universe, haha. There is the Moon that is outside the atmosphere, and the rock that originally came from far to hit the Earth was, indeed, outside the Earth's atmosphere. I think you talked too much on this one.

How this proves that the Earth is flat ? In no way. But it proves that the Earth is largely more likely to be spheric : when the asteroid hit the Earth to form the Moon, it's more likely that it left a spheric trace, instead of a flat trace.

Oh and it leads me to this : explain how does the moutains get higher and higher. With the FE model, the force would be concentrated to the "center" of the Earth (Which is another point... with the FE model, it's supposed that there's a center to our planet. Where it is ?) so only the moutains near the center would recieve the force to grow up, which is not true because the moutains in West Canada and India grow at the same rate. With the RE model, both moutains are equally near of the center of the sphere.

Good luck!


I don't recall ever stating I was an FE'er. My point was that you could NOT explain the moon, so why should you ask anyone else to explain satellites? The explination is the popular theory in how the moon was formed. It was also an explination on how the moon "got up there" since you were making such a big deal out of it (to the point of making an ass out of yourself).

And mountains have various methods of being formed. Some are volcanic and rise with Lava. Others such as the Indian Mountains are two plates clashing together and being forced upwards because the plates are nearly equal in weight. How would this differ at all from the FE model? If you can't explain mountains then, again, why are you asking for an FE explination? You would never believe any answear because you would have no RE related answear to compare it to.

The plates moves equally because the gravity is equally divised. In the FE model, the gravity CAN'T be equally divised over the planet because in gravity, the farest you are from the center of gravity, the less you're attracted to this center. This way, the plates far of the center in the FE model wouldn't move at all, or their movement wouldn't be equal.

Also, in aaaaall these years of development post-colision with the Moon, the Earth would have changed and would become more spheric than flat because of the gravity.

Gravity explains a lot of things in physics ;)
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Astantia on December 29, 2006, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
Quote from: "Wolfwood"
Quote from: "yop69g"
So you admit that the atmosphere is NOT the limit of the Universe, haha. There is the Moon that is outside the atmosphere, and the rock that originally came from far to hit the Earth was, indeed, outside the Earth's atmosphere. I think you talked too much on this one.

How this proves that the Earth is flat ? In no way. But it proves that the Earth is largely more likely to be spheric : when the asteroid hit the Earth to form the Moon, it's more likely that it left a spheric trace, instead of a flat trace.

Oh and it leads me to this : explain how does the moutains get higher and higher. With the FE model, the force would be concentrated to the "center" of the Earth (Which is another point... with the FE model, it's supposed that there's a center to our planet. Where it is ?) so only the moutains near the center would recieve the force to grow up, which is not true because the moutains in West Canada and India grow at the same rate. With the RE model, both moutains are equally near of the center of the sphere.

Good luck!


I don't recall ever stating I was an FE'er. My point was that you could NOT explain the moon, so why should you ask anyone else to explain satellites? The explination is the popular theory in how the moon was formed. It was also an explination on how the moon "got up there" since you were making such a big deal out of it (to the point of making an ass out of yourself).

And mountains have various methods of being formed. Some are volcanic and rise with Lava. Others such as the Indian Mountains are two plates clashing together and being forced upwards because the plates are nearly equal in weight. How would this differ at all from the FE model? If you can't explain mountains then, again, why are you asking for an FE explination? You would never believe any answear because you would have no RE related answear to compare it to.

The plates moves equally because the gravity is equally divised. In the FE model, the gravity CAN'T be equally divised over the planet because in gravity, the farest you are from the center of gravity, the less you're attracted to this center. This way, the plates far of the center in the FE model wouldn't move at all, or their movement wouldn't be equal.

Also, in aaaaall these years of development post-colision with the Moon, the Earth would have changed and would become more spheric than flat because of the gravity.

Gravity explains a lot of things in physics ;)


1.  'Gravity' isn't evenly divided over the round earth though, it is different in different places.

2.  'Gravity' in the flat earth model is constant.

3.  So it is okay to assume the existence of something to prove it exists?  Isn't that one of the logical fallacies?

4.  But nothing in physics explains gravity.  :wink:
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 29, 2006, 08:41:54 PM
Quote from: "Astantia"
Quote from: "yop69g"
Quote from: "Wolfwood"
Quote from: "yop69g"
So you admit that the atmosphere is NOT the limit of the Universe, haha. There is the Moon that is outside the atmosphere, and the rock that originally came from far to hit the Earth was, indeed, outside the Earth's atmosphere. I think you talked too much on this one.

How this proves that the Earth is flat ? In no way. But it proves that the Earth is largely more likely to be spheric : when the asteroid hit the Earth to form the Moon, it's more likely that it left a spheric trace, instead of a flat trace.

Oh and it leads me to this : explain how does the moutains get higher and higher. With the FE model, the force would be concentrated to the "center" of the Earth (Which is another point... with the FE model, it's supposed that there's a center to our planet. Where it is ?) so only the moutains near the center would recieve the force to grow up, which is not true because the moutains in West Canada and India grow at the same rate. With the RE model, both moutains are equally near of the center of the sphere.

Good luck!


I don't recall ever stating I was an FE'er. My point was that you could NOT explain the moon, so why should you ask anyone else to explain satellites? The explination is the popular theory in how the moon was formed. It was also an explination on how the moon "got up there" since you were making such a big deal out of it (to the point of making an ass out of yourself).

And mountains have various methods of being formed. Some are volcanic and rise with Lava. Others such as the Indian Mountains are two plates clashing together and being forced upwards because the plates are nearly equal in weight. How would this differ at all from the FE model? If you can't explain mountains then, again, why are you asking for an FE explination? You would never believe any answear because you would have no RE related answear to compare it to.

The plates moves equally because the gravity is equally divised. In the FE model, the gravity CAN'T be equally divised over the planet because in gravity, the farest you are from the center of gravity, the less you're attracted to this center. This way, the plates far of the center in the FE model wouldn't move at all, or their movement wouldn't be equal.

Also, in aaaaall these years of development post-colision with the Moon, the Earth would have changed and would become more spheric than flat because of the gravity.

Gravity explains a lot of things in physics ;)


1.  'Gravity' isn't evenly divided over the round earth though, it is different in different places.

2.  'Gravity' in the flat earth model is constant.

3.  So it is okay to assume the existence of something to prove it exists?  Isn't that one of the logical fallacies?

4.  But nothing in physics explains gravity.  :wink:

1. Earth is not a perfect sphere and Moon influences Earth's gravity as well.

2. Why "gravity" ? How is it constant ? What does it prove ? Constant and perfect things in science have reveleaded themselves to be FALSE after re-examination. There's nothing perfect, not even in science. If your "gravity" is constant, always the same, perfect!, it means that it's more likely to be false.

3. I explained why there's gravity and how it manifests in our world. Nothing else than gravity can explain phenomens like why does the apple dropped on this guy's head. Also, You guys with your FE theory assume that the Earth is flat because you have incomplete proofs and possibilities, not even probabilities about its flatness.

4. Go to Uni and you'll catch up the fundamentals : high school physics aren't enough in order to discuss about complicated science ;)
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Wolfwood on December 29, 2006, 08:45:27 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
Quote from: "Wolfwood"
Quote from: "yop69g"
So you admit that the atmosphere is NOT the limit of the Universe, haha. There is the Moon that is outside the atmosphere, and the rock that originally came from far to hit the Earth was, indeed, outside the Earth's atmosphere. I think you talked too much on this one.

How this proves that the Earth is flat ? In no way. But it proves that the Earth is largely more likely to be spheric : when the asteroid hit the Earth to form the Moon, it's more likely that it left a spheric trace, instead of a flat trace.

Oh and it leads me to this : explain how does the moutains get higher and higher. With the FE model, the force would be concentrated to the "center" of the Earth (Which is another point... with the FE model, it's supposed that there's a center to our planet. Where it is ?) so only the moutains near the center would recieve the force to grow up, which is not true because the moutains in West Canada and India grow at the same rate. With the RE model, both moutains are equally near of the center of the sphere.

Good luck!


I don't recall ever stating I was an FE'er. My point was that you could NOT explain the moon, so why should you ask anyone else to explain satellites? The explination is the popular theory in how the moon was formed. It was also an explination on how the moon "got up there" since you were making such a big deal out of it (to the point of making an ass out of yourself).

And mountains have various methods of being formed. Some are volcanic and rise with Lava. Others such as the Indian Mountains are two plates clashing together and being forced upwards because the plates are nearly equal in weight. How would this differ at all from the FE model? If you can't explain mountains then, again, why are you asking for an FE explination? You would never believe any answear because you would have no RE related answear to compare it to.

The plates moves equally because the gravity is equally divised. In the FE model, the gravity CAN'T be equally divised over the planet because in gravity, the farest you are from the center of gravity, the less you're attracted to this center. This way, the plates far of the center in the FE model wouldn't move at all, or their movement wouldn't be equal.

Also, in aaaaall these years of development post-colision with the Moon, the Earth would have changed and would become more spheric than flat because of the gravity.

Gravity explains a lot of things in physics ;)


People like you teach people to sigh I think.

If you knew anything about the FE model you would know that it doesn't produce it's own gravity. Instead it accelerates upwards at a rate equal to 1g. This would provide gravity throughout the FE model.

Also, you don't know much about gravity (modern science doesn't know much so theres no chance in hell you know much). You are treading on unkown territory here.

Now unless you can prove gravity exists as a force that applies to all objects, I doubt you can disprove the FE theory.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 29, 2006, 09:26:04 PM
What do you know about modern science ?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Wolfwood on December 30, 2006, 12:21:16 AM
Quote from: "yop69g"
What do you know about modern science ?


Relatively little, actually. I just seem to understand it's purpose and methods better then you do apparently.

No I'm not a member of the scientific community, but I do hear and read things often. As of now the extent of our knowledge on the theory of gravity can literally be boiled down to "magic". One popular theory is gravitons I believe, however I personally find that idea somewhat un acceptable. What would draw gravitons towards the earth? Personally I'm in favor of the fabric of space bending around the planet (or any object with mass) myself.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: TheEngineer on December 30, 2006, 12:48:34 AM
Quote from: "yop69g"

1. Earth is not a perfect sphere and Moon influences Earth's gravity as well.

2. Why "gravity" ? How is it constant ? What does it prove ? Constant and perfect things in science have reveleaded themselves to be FALSE after re-examination. There's nothing perfect, not even in science. If your "gravity" is constant, always the same, perfect!, it means that it's more likely to be false.

3. I explained why there's gravity and how it manifests in our world. Nothing else than gravity can explain phenomens like why does the apple dropped on this guy's head. Also, You guys with your FE theory assume that the Earth is flat because you have incomplete proofs and possibilities, not even probabilities about its flatness.

4. Go to Uni and you'll catch up the fundamentals : high school physics aren't enough in order to discuss about complicated science ;)

2.  The speed of light is constant, always the same, perfect.  Does this mean it is false?
3.  The apple falls due to acceleration.  As gravity=acceleration.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 10:16:41 AM
Quote from: "dysfunction"
Or else they aren't all that fast, but closer to the ground than you think they are. They're just lights in the sky, how can you possibly judge their altitude?


I feel obliged to ask how the heck you (or Rowbotham) judged the altitude of the sun and moon, then? And satellites aren't just "lights in the sky". Saying that just makes me wanna beat you up in the name of reason. Ever heard of this new cool invention called a telescope? You can clearly see they're satellites with one of those, and they're definitely man-made thus not shot up in the beginning of time while the earth was still a ball of flaming magma. And satellites aren't ballons, nor airplanes.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: rofl on December 30, 2006, 10:42:50 AM
They orbit the earth and send signales ? The Earth is round so its very simple. and btw.
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Round till i die

nice name.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Quote from: "yop69g"

1. Earth is not a perfect sphere and Moon influences Earth's gravity as well.

2. Why "gravity" ? How is it constant ? What does it prove ? Constant and perfect things in science have reveleaded themselves to be FALSE after re-examination. There's nothing perfect, not even in science. If your "gravity" is constant, always the same, perfect!, it means that it's more likely to be false.

3. I explained why there's gravity and how it manifests in our world. Nothing else than gravity can explain phenomens like why does the apple dropped on this guy's head. Also, You guys with your FE theory assume that the Earth is flat because you have incomplete proofs and possibilities, not even probabilities about its flatness.

4. Go to Uni and you'll catch up the fundamentals : high school physics aren't enough in order to discuss about complicated science ;)

2.  The speed of light is constant, always the same, perfect.  Does this mean it is false?
3.  The apple falls due to acceleration.  As gravity=acceleration.

2. The speed of light changes depending in what context it is. It is slower in water but at its maximum speed in space. And if you do an experiment, you can't come up with perfect results, orelse your results will be refused by the scientific community. That's the way it is, because nothing's perfect enough to give perfect enough results.

3. The acceleration is the most clear manifestation of gravity. Gravity attracts objects at different rate, depending on the force of the attracting object (mass, maybe volume, speed, energy, etc.). This rate is the acceleration, on Earth, is approx 9.81 m/s. Also, you could get very good results to this, but even atoms influences your results, so it's impossible to get the "perfect" result. This partially explains the variation that the guy had, having 9.79m/s (the position on the Earth where he did his experiment also influences his results). The most revealing example of this is the most cold temperature : 0 K (-273 degrees celcius). Nobody reached it because we have to align the atoms in order to reach it! There's always one of them that won't be cooperative. So even in temperature, nothing's perfect.

4. Reading science isn't enough... I can read a book of medicine or surgery... but I'll never be able to cure someone as a real doctor would do. Finally, I did two years of physics and one of chemestry. My girlfriend often teaches me what she's learning at CEGEP in chemestry. So, don't come up with uncertain ideas and personnal attacks when you don't even know what you're talking about.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: TheEngineer on December 30, 2006, 11:34:51 AM
2.  The speed of light in a vacuum is always the same.  Just because your stopwatch is not accurate does not mean the photon is traveling at a different speed.
3.  I don't care about the perfect result. It's not possible.  You asked how the apple could fall if there is no gravity.  It is simple - acceleration.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
2.  The speed of light in a vacuum is always the same.  Just because your stopwatch is not accurate does not mean the photon is traveling at a different speed.
3.  I don't care about the perfect result. It's not possible.  You asked how the apple could fall if there is no gravity.  It is simple - acceleration.

2. Stupid answer. I know that the speed of light is always the same but try to measure it twice at the same exact speed. ;)

3. Perfect results are very important in science. If you deny this, then you have no credibility because it's the basis of experimentation.

You apparently need to learn about physics : acceleration IS DUE to gravity. No gravity = no acceleration. There's no other possible answers. There can be speed without acceleration if the object had an initial speed, but there can't be acceleration without gravity in space.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: "yop69g"

You apparently need to learn about physics : acceleration IS DUE to gravity. No gravity = no acceleration. There's no other possible answers. There can be speed without acceleration if the object had an initial speed, but there can't be acceleration without gravity in space.

Wait a minute, it seems as though you're implying here that the acceleration produced by a rocket traveling through space producess the same effect as gravity (it does). Which would still mean that gravity=acceleration.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: TheEngineer on December 30, 2006, 12:00:32 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"

2. Stupid answer. I know that the speed of light is always the same but try to measure it twice at the same exact speed. ;)

3. Perfect results are very important in science. If you deny this, then you have no credibility because it's the basis of experimentation.

You apparently need to learn about physics : acceleration IS DUE to gravity. No gravity = no acceleration. There's no other possible answers. There can be speed without acceleration if the object had an initial speed, but there can't be acceleration without gravity in space.

2.  You said that anything that was always the same was wrong.  
3.  There is no such thing as the perfect result.  There is always a measurement error or some other random error.  Measurement devices can only be so accurate.

Apparently you need to learn about physics: gravity=acceleration.  The two are locally indistinguishable.
Title: I completely agree with you
Post by: Anaximander on December 30, 2006, 12:01:20 PM
You are so right!
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Wolfwood on December 30, 2006, 12:03:57 PM
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Quote from: "yop69g"

2. Stupid answer. I know that the speed of light is always the same but try to measure it twice at the same exact speed. ;)

3. Perfect results are very important in science. If you deny this, then you have no credibility because it's the basis of experimentation.

You apparently need to learn about physics : acceleration IS DUE to gravity. No gravity = no acceleration. There's no other possible answers. There can be speed without acceleration if the object had an initial speed, but there can't be acceleration without gravity in space.

2.  You said that anything that was always the same was wrong.  
3.  There is no such thing as the perfect result.  There is always a measurement error or some other random error.  Measurement devices can only be so accurate.

Apparently you need to learn about physics: gravity=acceleration.  The two are locally indistinguishable.


You might have to define locally there Engineer...

Alright Yop lets get onto an elevator in space, just a simple platform.

Lets accelerate that platform upwards at 1g (I dunno the precise acceleration rate) and we both jump. It would be no different from us jumping back on earth. However someone witnessing us jump would see our jump last for minutes instead of less then a second.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "yop69g"

You apparently need to learn about physics : acceleration IS DUE to gravity. No gravity = no acceleration. There's no other possible answers. There can be speed without acceleration if the object had an initial speed, but there can't be acceleration without gravity in space.

Wait a minute, it seems as though you're implying here that the acceleration produced by a rocket traveling through space producess the same effect as gravity (it does). Which would still mean that gravity=acceleration.

Well... I'm trying to tell you why we can't separate gravity from acceleration.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 12:06:01 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"

Well... I'm trying to tell you why we can't separate gravity from acceleration.

We cannot separate the two because they are the same thing.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 12:10:31 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "yop69g"

Well... I'm trying to tell you why we can't separate gravity from acceleration.

We cannot separate the two because they are the same thing.

No, they aren't the same thing.

Gravity : attraction to the center of a massive object (like the Earth).

Acceleration : the rate at which the object attracted will go towards the center of the massive object.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Masterchef on December 30, 2006, 12:17:38 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
No, they aren't the same thing.

Gravity : attraction to the center of a massive object (like the Earth).

Acceleration : the rate at which the object attracted will go towards the center of the massive object.

Attraction is still acceleration. :roll:
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: "Masterchief2219"
Quote from: "yop69g"
No, they aren't the same thing.

Gravity : attraction to the center of a massive object (like the Earth).

Acceleration : the rate at which the object attracted will go towards the center of the massive object.

Attraction is still acceleration. :roll:

I hate discussing science with retards.

Go study a little bit, do what I've done in science and maybe you'll understand something, monkey brain.

Attraction creates acceleration. You can create shit. Does this mean that you're shit ? Well, maybe... bad example. ;)
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: sydpwnt on December 30, 2006, 12:22:56 PM
Quote from: "Masterchief2219"
Quote from: "yop69g"
No, they aren't the same thing.

Gravity : attraction to the center of a massive object (like the Earth).

Acceleration : the rate at which the object attracted will go towards the center of the massive object.

Attraction is still acceleration. :roll:


Attraction isn't acceleration. Acceleration comes from attraction.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Masterchef on December 30, 2006, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
I hate discussing science with retards.

Ditto.

There is no possible way to tell if objects are accelerating towards Earth, or the Earth is accelerating toward the objects. Retard.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 12:30:41 PM
Quote from: "Masterchief2219"
Quote from: "yop69g"
I hate discussing science with retards.

Ditto.

There is no possible way to tell if objects are accelerating towards Earth, or the Earth is accelerating toward the objects. Retard.

Hahaha it's funny how you change your position when you're not true. Hahaha.

When you're a retard that believes that telescopes are being traficated by the government, it's impossible, indeed. But when you're rational, intelligent and you believe that saying that there's a conspiracy is not satisfying, you'll come up with the idea that the Moon attracts a LOT of meteorits or rocks to it, which explains all of its crateria (I don't know what it is in English... well holes).

 :arrow: Someone else (intelligent) for the answer on my post ?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 12:33:56 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
:arrow: Someone else (intelligent) for the answer on my post ?


Intelligence has nothing to do with knowledge. You can live under a rock for your whole life and still have an IQ of 500 when you come out, it doesn't mean you automatically knows science. Well.. Sorry for breaking the subject. Just know the difference between intelligence and knowledge. -_-
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Masterchef on December 30, 2006, 12:35:08 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
Hahaha it's funny how you change your position when you're not true. Hahaha.

I didn't. I explained it differently.

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When you're a retard that believes that telescopes are being traficated by the government, it's impossible, indeed. But when you're rational, intelligent and you believe that saying that there's a conspiracy is not satisfying, you'll come up with the idea that the Moon attracts a LOT of meteorits or rocks to it, which explains all of its crateria (I don't know what it is in English... well holes).

The moon is not the Earth. You make the mistake of assuming that the Earth follows the same rules as the moon.

You also make the mistake of assuming that everyone here arguing for the flat Earth actually believes that the Earth is flat. Retard.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 12:35:12 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"
Quote from: "yop69g"
:arrow: Someone else (intelligent) for the answer on my post ?


Intelligence has nothing to do with knowledge. You can live under a rock for your whole life and still have an IQ of 500 when you come out, it doesn't mean you automatically knows science. Well.. Sorry for breaking the subject. Just know the difference between intelligence and knowledge. -_-

You need intelligence to understand knowledge.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
You need intelligence to understand knowledge.


Wow, really?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 12:37:13 PM
Quote from: "Masterchief2219"
Quote from: "yop69g"
Hahaha it's funny how you change your position when you're not true. Hahaha.

I didn't. I explained it differently.

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When you're a retard that believes that telescopes are being traficated by the government, it's impossible, indeed. But when you're rational, intelligent and you believe that saying that there's a conspiracy is not satisfying, you'll come up with the idea that the Moon attracts a LOT of meteorits or rocks to it, which explains all of its crateria (I don't know what it is in English... well holes).

The moon is not the Earth. You make the mistake of assuming that the Earth follows the same rules as the moon.

You also make the mistake of assuming that everyone here arguing for the flat Earth actually believes that the Earth is flat. Retard.

Well, I assume this because I'm not expecting much more from a southern retard.

So, explain this (on Earth, in USA) : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Meteor.jpg

It works the same way that it does on the Moon. Retard.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 12:38:18 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"
Quote from: "yop69g"
You need intelligence to understand knowledge.


Wow, really?

Yup, and the retard apparently doesn't understand knowledge, which surely means something...
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Steve Irwin on December 30, 2006, 12:38:37 PM
Wow I cite wikipedia I'm so smart.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
Yup, and the retard apparently doesn't understand knowledge, which surely means something...


Yeah, it means he doesn't have the knowledge.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 12:39:41 PM
Quote from: "Steve Irwin"
Wow I cite wikipedia I'm so smart.

I don't cite Wikipedia. I take one of its photo.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 12:40:20 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"
Quote from: "yop69g"
Yup, and the retard apparently doesn't understand knowledge, which surely means something...


Yeah, it means he doesn't have the knowledge.

Which means that he doesn't have any credibility when arguying against me.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Steve Irwin on December 30, 2006, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
Quote from: "Steve Irwin"
Wow I cite wikipedia I'm so smart.

I don't cite Wikipedia. I take one of its photo.


You obviouly didn't visit the section on proper English.  ZING!
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
Which means that he doesn't have any credibility when arguying against me.


No, it means intelligence never had anything to do with it in the first place. He simply didn't have the knowledge, whether he is a retard or a genious.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Masterchef on December 30, 2006, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
Well, I assume this because I'm not expecting much more from a southern retard.

I'm not from the south you fucking idiot.

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So, explain this (on Earth, in USA) : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Meteor.jpg

It works the same way that it does on the Moon. Retard.

The Earth is accelerating upwards, while a meteor is standing still, or moving downwards.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 12:45:27 PM
Quote from: "Masterchief2219"
The Earth is accelerating upwards, while a meteor is standing still, or moving downwards.


So meteors exist?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Steve Irwin on December 30, 2006, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"
Quote from: "Masterchief2219"
The Earth is accelerating upwards, while a meteor is standing still, or moving downwards.


So meteors exist?


Hello Captain Obvious.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 12:49:15 PM
Quote from: "Steve Irwin"
Hello Captain Obvious.


FE'ers claim meteors doesn't exist.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 12:49:46 PM
Quote from: "Masterchief2219"
Quote from: "yop69g"
Well, I assume this because I'm not expecting much more from a southern retard.

I'm not from the south you fucking idiot.

Quote
So, explain this (on Earth, in USA) : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Meteor.jpg

It works the same way that it does on the Moon. Retard.

The Earth is accelerating upwards, while a meteor is standing still, or moving downwards.

There's no upwards in the Universe.

I won't say retard. I'll say : maybe-intelligent-guy-that-does-not-have-the-knowledge-in-order-to-argue-with-me.

You belong to the South, with your retard mean of arguying on something you don't freaking know.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Steve Irwin on December 30, 2006, 12:50:10 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"
Quote from: "Steve Irwin"
Hello Captain Obvious.


FE'ers claim meteors doesn't exist.


You actually listen to this?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: "Steve Irwin"
You actually listen to this?


No, that's why I asked if they do exist. The one moment they dont exist, the next they do. Which is it?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Steve Irwin on December 30, 2006, 12:52:36 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"
Quote from: "Steve Irwin"
You actually listen to this?


No, that's why I asked if they do exist. The one moment they dont exist, the next they do. Which is it?


Uhhh let's see.....believe some guy on the internet or centuries of established science huh......
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Masterchef on December 30, 2006, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
There's no upwards in the Universe.

I won't say retard. I'll say : maybe-intelligent-guy-that-does-not-have-the-knowledge-in-order-to-argue-with-me.

You belong to the South, with your retard mean of arguying on something you don't freaking know.

Upwards relative to us, moron. Its funny how you ignore the obvious meaning of my posts just so you can convince yourself that you are smarter than me. :lol:
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 12:53:59 PM
Quote from: "Steve Irwin"
Uhhh let's see.....believe some guy on the internet or centuries of established science huh......


I'm RE, so shut the fuck up, idiot.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"


Gravity : attraction to the center of a massive object (like the Earth).

Acceleration : the rate at which the object attracted will go towards the center of the massive object.

I know the definition, Yop. What I'm saying is that the effects felt by an object in an accelerated reference frame are exactly the same as those felt by someone in a gravitational field. So the two are locally indistinguishable. Meaning that, to us, there is no difference between Earth accelerating or producing a gravitational field.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "yop69g"


Gravity : attraction to the center of a massive object (like the Earth).

Acceleration : the rate at which the object attracted will go towards the center of the massive object.

I know the definition, Yop. What I'm saying is that the effects felt by an object in an accelerated reference frame are exactly the same as those felt by someone in a gravitational field. So the two are locally indistinguishable. Meaning that, to us, there is no difference between Earth accelerating or producing a gravitational field.

Again, the FEers live in their own little world. There is a difference but you ignore it. What scientific credibility do you expect, doing this ?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: "Masterchief2219"
Quote from: "yop69g"
There's no upwards in the Universe.

I won't say retard. I'll say : maybe-intelligent-guy-that-does-not-have-the-knowledge-in-order-to-argue-with-me.

You belong to the South, with your retard mean of arguying on something you don't freaking know.

Upwards relative to us, moron. Its funny how you ignore the obvious meaning of my posts just so you can convince yourself that you are smarter than me. :lol:

The Earth CAN'T move upwards for no reason. There must be gravity. If there isn't, there is no reason but the one that you're dumb. It can't be accelerating upwards for no reason. Something must be attracting it : gravity. There is no other reason.

Is that clear ? If the Earth is moving "upwards", the Sun must too, so there is gravity. The Sun, in the other way, can't not-move because it's always in the sky.

Your theory is based on bullcrap.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: TheEngineer on December 30, 2006, 01:56:22 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
What scientific credibility do you expect, doing this ?

Einstein says we are right.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Einstein says we are right.


...He says Earth moves in a straight line for no reason?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: EnragedPenguin on December 30, 2006, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
It can't be accelerating upwards for no reason. Something must be attracting it : gravity. There is no other reason.


Hmm, so how did I go from 0 to 60m/h when I was driving the other day? I'm pretty certain there weren't any massive bodies in front of me...
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 02:01:14 PM
Quote from: "EnragedPenguin"
Hmm, so how did I go from 0 to 60m/h when I was driving the other day? I'm pretty certain there weren't any massive bodies in front of me...


Earth isn't driven by gasoline. Nor any sort of the machinery inside a car.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: EnragedPenguin on December 30, 2006, 02:03:16 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"
Earth isn't driven by gasoline. Nor any sort of the machinery inside a car.


I was playing catch the other day. The ball would go from not moving in my hand, to moving real fast through the air. How could this be? There weren't any massive bodies in front of me then either...
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 02:05:12 PM
Quote from: "EnragedPenguin"
I was playing catch the other day. The ball would go from not moving in my hand, to moving real fast through the air. How could this be? There weren't any massive bodies in front of me then either...


You're suggesting that a gigantic hand threw the Earth into motion?..
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: dantheman40k on December 30, 2006, 02:05:37 PM
Quote from: "EnragedPenguin"
Quote from: "Xargo"
Earth isn't driven by gasoline. Nor any sort of the machinery inside a car.


I was playing catch the other day. The ball would go from not moving in my hand, to moving real fast through the air. How could this be? There weren't any massive bodies in front of me then either...


The earth is not your ball.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: EnragedPenguin on December 30, 2006, 02:08:28 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"
You're suggesting that a gigantic hand threw the Earth into motion?..


Come now, Xargo, that wouldn't do any good. The Earth would stop accelerating as soon as it left the hand. No, I'm not suggesting anything so radical. I'm merely implying that there are forces in the universe other than gravity, and that when one of these forces is applied to something, that something will accelerate.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: TheEngineer on December 30, 2006, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Einstein says we are right.


...He says Earth moves in a straight line for no reason?

That gravity=acceleration.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 02:13:34 PM
Quote from: "EnragedPenguin"
Quote from: "Xargo"
You're suggesting that a gigantic hand threw the Earth into motion?..


Come now, Xargo, that wouldn't do any good. The Earth would stop accelerating as soon as it left the hand. No, I'm not suggesting anything so radical, I'm merely implying that there are forces in the universe other than gravity. And that when one of these forces is applied to something, that something will accelerate.


Thank you for clearing that up. Comparing the Earth to cars and balls is just... I just want to hit you, you know. Well then.. Let's limit down the plausible alternatives for forces that could cause the Earth to go into motion. I can think of two right away: Explosions in space (stars? big bang? meteors?) or gravity from a larger object - or larger cluster of objects.

edit: And please don't give me the bullshit that gravity doesn't exist. I've already covered this in the telescope thread.  :x
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 02:17:18 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"

Again, the FEers live in their own little world. There is a difference but you ignore it. What scientific credibility do you expect, doing this ?

You're right, Yop. After all, I'm just getting my information from a Swiss patent office clerk, what credibility could he have?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "yop69g"

Again, the FEers live in their own little world. There is a difference but you ignore it. What scientific credibility do you expect, doing this ?

You're right, Yop. After all, I'm just getting my information from a Swiss patent office clerk, what credibility could he have?

If your Swiss whatever says that gravity is the same thing than acceleration, he doesn't have any credibility.

Do a little research on google : gravity = acceleration.

You'll come up with "gravity due to acceleration", "acceleration of gravity", etc.

The gravity produces acceleration but it's not fucking acceleration. There's a MAJOR difference which you retards don't understand.

If you produces shit, it doesn't mean that you're shit.

It's the same exact thing.

The 9.8m/s is an acceleration DUE TO EARTH'S GRAVITY.

If you don't catch this up, just leave ; you're a retard.

Gravity isn't replaced by acceleration. Gravity produces acceleration.

Period.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 02:40:55 PM
Now you're gonna hear about their "special relativity".
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 02:41:13 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"

If your Swiss whatever says that gravity is the same thing than acceleration, he doesn't have any credibility.

I don't know, Yop. He became a pretty prominent figure in the scientific community.

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Do a little research on google : gravity = acceleration.

You'll come up with "gravity due to acceleration", "acceleration of gravity", etc.

Try putting this into google: "Gravity and acceleration are locally indistinguishable"
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The gravity produces acceleration but it's not fraking acceleration. There's a MAJOR difference which you retards don't understand.

Actually, there is no difference and I do understand.

Edit: Give me a minute and I'll provide a link which should settle this issue.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "yop69g"

If your Swiss whatever says that gravity is the same thing than acceleration, he doesn't have any credibility.

I don't know, Yop. He became a pretty prominent figure in the scientific community.

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Do a little research on google : gravity = acceleration.

You'll come up with "gravity due to acceleration", "acceleration of gravity", etc.

Try putting this into google: "Gravity and acceleration are locally indistinguishable"
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The gravity produces acceleration but it's not fraking acceleration. There's a MAJOR difference which you retards don't understand.

Actually, there is no difference and I do understand.

You don't understand what they're saying.

They say that a gravity field always creates acceleration. Not that acceleration is the same thing than gravity.

That's the difference.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 02:45:19 PM
I know exactly what they're sayng, Yop. they're saying that there is no difference between being in a gravitational field and being in an accelerated frame of reference.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
I know exactly what they're sayng, Yop. they're saying that there is no difference between being in a gravitational field and being in an accelerated frame of reference.

It's because the gravitational field produces acceleration!!!

It doesn't fucking mean that they're the same thing!
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 02:48:38 PM
It means exactly the same thing, Yop. It means that it is not possible to tell if you are in a gravitational field or in an accelerated reference frame. Which means that "Gravity and acceleration are locally indistinguishable".
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 02:54:46 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
It means exactly the same thing, Yop. It means that it is not possible to tell if you are in a gravitational field or in an accelerated reference frame. Which means that "Gravity and acceleration are locally indistinguishable".

So the Earth accelerated the meteroits that hit it ?

The Earth is accelerating upwards so we can stay on it ?

Really, you're off.

That would mean that the ENTIRE Universe is moving the same way as the Earth because we can always see the other planets, stars, etc, at the same place when we look at them at the same time.


Also (off topic), I see a star. 30 minutes later I don't see it anymore, but I know someone that lives plenty miles away from here. Why will he see it but not me ? With a flat Earth, we should be seeing the exact same sky at the exact same moment. Which is not true.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 02:57:31 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"

So the Earth accelerated the meteroits that hit it ?

!:shock:
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The Earth is accelerating upwards so we can stay on it ?

Because we are standing on its surface, we are being accelerated with Earth.

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That would mean that the ENTIRE Universe is moving the same way as the Earth because we can always see the other planets, stars, etc, at the same place when we look at them at the same time.

Yep, that's why we call it the Universal Accelerator.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 02:58:48 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "yop69g"

So the Earth accelerated the meteroits that hit it ?

:!:  :shock:
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The Earth is accelerating upwards so we can stay on it ?

Because we are standing on its surface, we are being accelerated with Earth.

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That would mean that the ENTIRE Universe is moving the same way as the Earth because we can always see the other planets, stars, etc, at the same place when we look at them at the same time.

Yep, that's why we call it the Universal Accelerator.

:lol: Yeah, right.

Do your physics, be a geek. Become an astronaut, and you'll see what's true.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"

:lol: Yeah, right.

So you have no objections?
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Do your physics, be a geek. Become an astronaut, and you'll see what's true.

The same to you.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 03:03:43 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "yop69g"

:lol: Yeah, right.

So you have no objections?
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Do your physics, be a geek. Become an astronaut, and you'll see what's true.

The same to you.

I can't have any objections. This is plausible. But it can either work for a flat or spheric Earth...
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 03:09:40 PM
Quote from: "yop69g"
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "yop69g"

:lol: Yeah, right.

So you have no objections?
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Do your physics, be a geek. Become an astronaut, and you'll see what's true.

The same to you.

I can't have any objections. This is plausible. But it can either work for a flat or spheric Earth...

I have one. What does maintain the Solar System together if all is moving the same way but all around the Sun. And the Solar System around something else ?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 03:11:56 PM
The solar system does not revolve around the sun, as the sun revolves above Earth.

Edit: Haven't you already read the FAQ and Earth not a Globe?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 03:13:14 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
The solar system does not revolve around the sun, as the sun revolves above Earth.

Hmm... explain this one.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 03:16:04 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
The solar system does not revolve around the sun, as the sun revolves above Earth.


100% wrong.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 03:18:05 PM
From the FAQ:

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Q: "What about the stars, sun and moon and other planets? Are they flat too? What are they made of?"

A: The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall. Each functions as a "spotlight," with the sun radiating "hot light," the moon "cold light." As they are spotlights, they only give light out over a certain are which explains why some parts of the Earth are dark when others are light. Their apparent rising and setting are caused by optical illusions.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 03:25:56 PM
That has first of all been disproven. Second, what about the eclipses of other planets? Their lighted surfaces are always directed "towards" the suns direction - because the sun is the lightsource.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"
That has first of all been disproven.

Where?
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Second, what about the eclipses of other planets? Their lighted surfaces are always directed "towards" the suns direction - because the sun is the lightsource.

You mean the other "planets'" "lighted" surfaces are always facing Earth. Not the sun.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Where?

On this forum.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

You mean the other "planets'" "lighted" surfaces are always facing Earth. Not the sun.

No, the sun.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"

On this forum.

Where on this forum?
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No, the sun.

Can you show any evidence of this?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

Where on this forum?

Search.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

Can you show any evidence of this?

Not that you would believe, but I can suggest you get yourself a good telescope and start observing the planets in space. It's a good start. :)
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 03:54:25 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"

Search.

Why don't you show me? Since you apparently know where it is.
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Not that you would believe, but I can suggest you get yourself a good telescope and start observing the planets in space. It's a good start. :)

I have an excellent telescope already. And I have observed the planets on many occasions.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 30, 2006, 04:03:48 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

Why don't you show me? Since you apparently know where it is.

I don't know and I don't intend to go through the trouble of searching only to strengthen my point for you.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
I have an excellent telescope already. And I have observed the planets on many occasions.

I doubt it, otherwise you wouldn't act like a jackass.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"

I don't know and I don't intend to go through the trouble of searching only to strengthen my point for you.

Weren't you trying to prove the point to me in the first place? Couldn't you at least give me the name of the person who wrote it? Or at least the gist of their argument?
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I doubt it, otherwise you wouldn't act like a jackass.

When have I acted like a jackass, Xargo? And actually, I do in fact have a telescope, it's an Orion SkyQuest XT10  (http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000AQSE7A.01-A89QCABQPXL5V._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg).
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Yeah, sure... on December 30, 2006, 04:26:44 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
And actually, I do in fact have a telescope, it's an Orion SkyQuest XT10  (http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000AQSE7A.01-A89QCABQPXL5V._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg).


Use it. Perhaps with eyes open...
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 04:28:48 PM
I use it quite often, Yeah. And I have yet to do so with my eyes closed.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Yeah, sure... on December 30, 2006, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
I use it quite often, Yeah. And I always keep my eyes open.


Then I really wonder why you think that the earth is flat...
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 04:39:22 PM
Perhaps it's what I've seen through the lens that has led me to my beliefs.

Perhaps I do not, as you have assumed, believe the Earth is flat.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Yeah, sure... on December 30, 2006, 04:40:42 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Perhaps I do not, as you have assumed, believe the Earth is flat.


Seriously, does anybody really believe that the earth is flat?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 04:42:33 PM
Only people who post in the "FE believers" section are FE's.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Yeah, sure... on December 30, 2006, 04:49:49 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Only people who post in the "FE believers" section are FE's.


Or people who fooled people who really believe that the earth is flat...or it's a conspiracy and nobody really believes it.

...on the other hand it's more likely that someone really believes it.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 05:24:55 PM
Quote from: "I don't know who"

Sun set and rise are optical illusions.

That's total bullshit and you freaking know it.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 05:28:17 PM
Care to provide any evidence for this? Since you're going against even the explanation for the RE sunset, I assume you must have some.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 05:36:48 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Care to provide any evidence for this? Since you're going against even the explanation for the RE sunset, I assume you must have some.

What the ?

The RE model's Sun set is explained by the rotation of the Earth. There is no optical illusion in this.

The only optical illusion in the RE is when the Sun is near the horizon (which exists, you can't deny this, unless you're blind) and it sets or rises faster then it does in reality because of the air that changes the trajectory of light (same thing that when you look in the water, the distances are changed : same thing with air, and this is approved by about all scientists in this world).

You're so blind that you won't even hear total evidence. When something in the RE model (which is based on REALITY) can't be explained by the FE model, the first excuse is "an optical illusion" and the second is "a conspiracy". At least you didn't say that it's a conspiracy, but I have hear some FEers saying that the horizon was a large poster.

If you arguments are based on "is it true that 1 plus 1 equals 2", then what can I do ? Open your eyes and you'll see.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 05:41:00 PM
So, you're saying that the sun actually turns red every time it sets? And you think the FE theory is strange.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
So, you're saying that the sun actually turns red every time it sets? And you think the FE theory is strange.

This have been explained by light : when the sun hits a certain angle, some colors don't penetrate the atmosphere. The most dominant, blue, doesn't. So the sun and sky turns red and orange.

You can prove this by calling your friend in another country, or far away from where you live, and he'll see the sun yellow, as it is in the day. But you see it red. That's only a question of angle of penetration of the light.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 05:45:31 PM
And I think that there's better ways to defend the FE theory than accusing the Sun set of being an optical illusion............
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 05:46:40 PM
Ok, so the angle the sun sets at, the speed at which it sets, and its color and shape while setting are all optical illusions. How is this any different than the FE explanation?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 05:48:45 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Ok, so the angle the sun sets at, the speed at which it sets, and its color and shape while setting are all optical illusions. How is this any different than the FE explanation?

The FE says that the Sun set itself is an optical illusion, like if the Sun would never set.

The RE says that the Sun set causes some optical illusion, but the Sun sets. It's not an optical illusion that the Sun sets.

Think before you post something else.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 05:49:45 PM
If you knew a little bit about optics, you would understand this. Apparently, you didn't catch the importance of my comparison with water.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 05:51:31 PM
Actually, the FE says the exact same thing, that the sun setting causes optical illusions which make the sun appear to set in a different manner than it actually is.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 05:53:59 PM
Quote from: "The websites's FAQ"

Their apparent rising and setting are caused by optical illusions.

Apparent rising and setting.

 :arrow: This means that they don't actually rise or set.

In other words, this quote means that we may think that they set and rise but that's only an optical illusion. They don't actually rise or set. It's only an optical illusion.

That is what the FE theory says.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 30, 2006, 05:55:56 PM
Right, they simply move over a different area, just like the RE model.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Right, they simply move over a different area, just like the RE model.

Whatever.

You have a magic sight of the world. The Sun can't change direction. It lights ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE. It's NOT a spotlight. It's round and we have MANY photographs to prove it. You, FEers, don't.

You take REALITY and you change it in STUPIDITY.

It - is - impossible - that - a - star - lights - only - one - place - because - it - decided - in - some - way - to - do - so.

Your theory is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE. IM-POS-SI-BLE.


I'm tired of discussing with total retards that take their childhood illusions as reality. If only you had real arguments, not modified facts.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on December 30, 2006, 06:02:25 PM
Plus, the needed optical illusion needed for the Sun to go to another place (I saw the illustration of the model in another section of the forum) is physically impossible. I'd see the Sun any way, because your model includes a flat Earth. So, with a telescope, I can virtually see everywhere. Which is not true, again.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 31, 2006, 04:00:20 AM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Weren't you trying to prove the point to me in the first place? Couldn't you at least give me the name of the person who wrote it? Or at least the gist of their argument?

Okay, let me ask you a question. Which part of "sun moon" is so hard to type into the search field? And haven't I already made my point?
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

When have I acted like a jackass, Xargo?

You're doing it right now. If I'm not mistaken, you're the indirect author of the quote in my sig. Now, I doubt you're really a jackass, so stop acting like one.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
And actually, I do in fact have a telescope, it's an Orion SkyQuest XT10  (http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000AQSE7A.01-A89QCABQPXL5V._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg).

How on earth do you expect me to believe you, as you claim have the exact right tool to understand the fallacy of the FE theory, and still argue for the FE side? It means you're either a "devil's advocate" (I hate this expression) or a one hundred percent retard.

Oh, and what do you expect to prove with a picture (and a lie)?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 31, 2006, 07:22:06 AM
Quote from: "Xargo"

Okay, let me ask you a question. Which part of "sun moon" is so hard to type into the search field? And haven't I already made my point?

Ok, let me get this straight, you say there's proof that what I said was wrong, yet you don't know who wrote it, when they wrote it, where they wrote it, or what they wrote. What makes you so sure they wrote it?

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You're doing it right now. If I'm not mistaken, you're the indirect author of the quote in my sig. Now, I doubt you're really a jackass, so stop acting like one.

You're the only one who has ever said that, Xargo, as you were the one who made it up to put in your signature in the first place.
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How on earth do you expect me to believe you, as you claim have the exact right tool to understand the fallacy of the FE theory, and still argue for the FE side? It means you're either a "devil's advocate" (I hate this expression) or a one hundred percent retard.

How would a telescope show the "fallacy" of the FE theory?
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Oh, and what do you expect to prove with a picture (and a lie)?

I simply thought that, as the telescope's name was somewhat specific, it would be obvious that I had a certain scope in mind when I did the image search. Apparently not.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 31, 2006, 09:31:16 AM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Ok, let me get this straight, you say there's proof that what I said was wrong, yet you don't know who wrote it, when they wrote it, where they wrote it, or what they wrote. What makes you so sure they wrote it?

Look, Geo, I've read it, and I'm so sorry for not saving every thread I've ever read in my sig. I don't intend to go through with searching the whole of this foum just to strengthen my point. You better believe it or disprove it (deja vu?). Oh, and for that matter, if you're lucky you might find some of the points on moon+sun in the thread that's already in my sig.[/quote]
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
You're the only one who has ever said that, Xargo, as you were the one who made it up to put in your signature in the first place.

I combined rephrased two of your posts in a thread a while ago. However - does it matter? You're still a jackass. And for that matter, does it matter whether I think you're a jackass or not? Drop it.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

How would a telescope show the "fallacy" of the FE theory?
Um, the shape of other planets? Meteors? Satellites? Moon being round? Gravity? The sun being the center of the milky way? Hmm... I bet there are other things too, but those should do to keep you satisfied for the moment.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

I simply thought that, as the telescope's name was somewhat specific, it would be obvious that I had a certain scope in mind when I did the image search. Apparently not.

Alright.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 31, 2006, 11:23:16 AM
Tell me, Xargo, why did you mention a thread that you have no memory of having existed, to prove a point to me that you aren't actually trying to prove to me, and then tell me I have to go look it up for myself? What exactly are you trying to say here?

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Um, the shape of other planets? Meteors? Satellites? Moon being round? Gravity? The sun being the center of the milky way? Hmm... I bet there are other things too, but those should do to keep you satisfied for the moment.

How are any of these things connected with Earth's shape?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 31, 2006, 12:51:39 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Tell me, Xargo, why did you mention a thread that you have no memory of having existed

Where do you get these crazy ideas? I obviously have a memory of it. -_-
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
, to prove a point to me that you aren't actually trying to prove to me, and then tell me I have to go look it up for myself? What exactly are you trying to say here?

Well, Geo, that there is evidence of the moon and sun not being flat and that the evidence has been presented on this forum - im just not gonna waste hours of searching it through to post it here. If you want we can start another thread on the subject, you just go ahead.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

How are any of these things connected with Earth's shape?

Well, most FE'ers claims that:

* the moon and sun is flat..
* that the sun is not the center of our solar system..
* other planets are flat..
* meteors doesn't exist..
* satellites does not exist..
* gravity doesn't exist (mass attraction, that is)

When these things are disproved of, does this not mean that there is something crazy about this theory? You still don't doubt it for one second? And, if it doesn't beats down the whole of the theory, it at least give you a taste of the credibility of the arguments presented to support it.

This with nothing but a telescope.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: TheEngineer on December 31, 2006, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"

Well, most FE'ers claims that:


* that the sun is not the center of the milky way..

And RE'ers think it is?!? :shock:
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 31, 2006, 01:12:50 PM
I always get those wrong. :( Edited.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on December 31, 2006, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"

Well, Geo, that there is evidence of the moon and sun not being flat and that the evidence has been presented on this forum - im just not gonna waste hours of searching it through to post it here. If you want we can start another thread on the subject, you just go ahead.

I'm not talking about the sun and moon being round, Xargo, I am referring to this:
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"The solar system does not revolve around the sun, as the sun revolves above Earth."


100% wrong.


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Well, most FE'ers claims that:

* the moon and sun is flat..
* that the sun is not the center of our solar system..
* other planets are flat..
* meteors doesn't exist..
* satellites does not exist..
* gravity doesn't exist (mass attraction, that is)

Very few FE's claim that at all, actually.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on December 31, 2006, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
I'm not talking about the sun and moon being round, Xargo, I am referring to this:
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"The solar system does not revolve around the sun, as the sun revolves above Earth."
100% wrong.


If the sun is flat or rotates over the Earth, the solar system cannot rotate around the sun - which it does.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"


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Well, most FE'ers claims that:

* the moon and sun is flat..
* that the sun is not the center of our solar system..
* other planets are flat..
* meteors doesn't exist..
* satellites does not exist..
* gravity doesn't exist (mass attraction, that is)

Very few FE's claim that at all, actually.


What, are you stupid or something? How long have you been here? lol.

* the moon and sun is flat.. - FAQ + Rowbothams book
* that the sun is not the center of our solar system.. - Logically if it orbits the earth ...
* other planets are flat.. It's been discussed numerous times. I think Unimportant was one of the other-flat-plants FE'ers.
* meteors doesn't exist.. I think Dogplatter claimed/claims this.
* satellites does not exist.. - "just lights in the sky" (hot topic)
* gravity doesn't exist (mass attraction, that is) - Hot topic. Gravity=Acceleration, right?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 02, 2007, 05:03:52 PM
bump.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on January 02, 2007, 05:13:27 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"

If the sun is flat or rotates over the Earth, the solar system cannot rotate around the sun - which it does.

I don't see why not. But it isn't relevant anyway, as I don't see any reason why the sun can't be spherical.

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What, are you stupid or something? How long have you been here? lol.

* the moon and sun is flat.. - FAQ + Rowbothams book
* other planets are flat.. It's been discussed numerous times. I think Unimportant was one of the other-flat-plants FE'ers.
* meteors doesn't exist.. I think Dogplatter claimed/claims this.
* satellites does not exist.. - "just lights in the sky" (hot topic)
* gravity doesn't exist (mass attraction, that is) - Hot topic. Gravity=Acceleration, right?

*See above for the moon/sun discussion. As I said, I see no reason why the sun and moon must be flat.
*Dogplatter was one the FE's not included in 'most FE's don't say that, actually" statement.
*No one is saying that the lights we see in the sky don't exist, we're simply saying that they're not actually "satellites".
*Again, no one is saying that gravity doesn't exist, just that it doesn't exist on Earth.
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* that the sun is not the center of our solar system.. - Logically if it orbits the earth ...

I didn't mean to leave this one in there.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 02, 2007, 05:23:27 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

I don't see why not. But it isn't relevant anyway, as I don't see any reason why the sun can't be spherical.

Great!
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

*See above for the moon/sun discussion. As I said, I see no reason why the sun and moon must be flat.

Already made my point on this one in the other thread.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

*Dogplatter was one the FE's not included in 'most FE's don't say that, actually" statement.

He was an example, yup.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

*No one is saying that the lights we see in the sky don't exist, we're simply saying that they're not actually "satellites".

They're satellites alright, as you can observe with a telescope.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

*Again, no one is saying that gravity doesn't exist, just that it doesn't exist on Earth.
So now it gravity doesn't exist Earth. I thought it was as it keeps us from floating into space. Must have been wrong; Actually, I'm floating away from my computer right now!
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* that the sun is not the center of our solar system.. - Logically if it orbits the earth ...

I didn't mean to leave this one in there.


Right?..
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Rick_James on January 02, 2007, 05:28:13 PM
Geez Xargo, you go away for a little while and come back a little more bitter and much more impassioned about RE. Did you go to a plane..arium?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 02, 2007, 05:30:50 PM
Quote from: "Rick_James"
Geez Xargo, you go away for a little while and come back a little more bitter and much more impassioned about RE. Did you go to a plane..arium?


Hello to you too.

edit: Whoever you are lol.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on January 02, 2007, 05:31:18 PM
What was the point in bumping this thread, Xargo? You apparently already agreed with me on half the points I made, and the others you simply misunderstood.
Quote from: "Xargo"

They're satellites alright, as you can observe with a telescope.

Actually, you can't. All you can see through a telescope is a small, bright light moving quickly across your field of view.

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So now it gravity doesn't exist Earth. I thought it was as it keeps us from floating into space. Must have been wrong; Actually, I'm floating away from my computer right now!

Haven't we had this discussion before? The Earth is accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s^2. This produces the effects we feel as "gravity".
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Right?..

So I did not respond to your reply to it.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 02, 2007, 05:34:57 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "Xargo"

They're satellites alright, as you can observe with a telescope.

Actually, you can't. All you can see through a telescope is a small, bright light moving quickly across your field of view.

What telescope did you said you have again? A pair of glasses? :?
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

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So now it gravity doesn't exist Earth. I thought it was as it keeps us from floating into space. Must have been wrong; Actually, I'm floating away from my computer right now!

Haven't we had this discussion before? The Earth is accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s^2. This produces the effects we feel as "gravity".

Exactly my point, ffs.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on January 02, 2007, 05:38:15 PM
I said I have a 10" Newtonian reflector. And I have viewed "satellites" on multiple occasions.

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Exactly my point, ffs.

Why did you bring it up again then?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 03, 2007, 05:07:28 AM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
I said I have a 10" Newtonian reflector. And I have viewed "satellites" on multiple occasions.

They're satellites. I don't even think you have a telescope. No, really, since you're content on having wrong and not telling the truth (either you're doing it on purpose or you're an idiot), we have nothing more to discuss, jackass.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on January 03, 2007, 08:05:50 AM
The possibility certainly exists that they are, in fact, satellites. However, my point is that this would be impossible to determine using a telescope, as you suggested.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Masterchef on January 03, 2007, 09:13:44 AM
Quote from: "Xargo"
They're satellites. I don't even think you have a telescope. No, really, since you're content on having wrong and not telling the truth (either you're doing it on purpose or you're an idiot), we have nothing more to discuss, jackass.

How do you know he is wrong? The only "evidence" you have against his arguments is a topic that you mysteriously lost. :lol:

Whenever you are losing a debate, just call the opposing side a Jackass and run away. :lol:
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: yop69g on January 03, 2007, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: "Masterchief2219"
Quote from: "Xargo"
They're satellites. I don't even think you have a telescope. No, really, since you're content on having wrong and not telling the truth (either you're doing it on purpose or you're an idiot), we have nothing more to discuss, jackass.

How do you know he is wrong? The only "evidence" you have against his arguments is a topic that you mysteriously lost. :lol:

Whenever you are losing a debate, just call the opposing side a Jackass and run away. :lol:

I wonder if you have something intelligent to say, sometimes. Only... sometimes.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 03, 2007, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
The possibility certainly exists that they are, in fact, satellites. However, my point is that this would be impossible to determine using a telescope, as you suggested.


Well, you can. So, you're wrong. :D
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on January 03, 2007, 11:16:04 AM
Care to provide any evidence of this? or are you just disagreeing with me on principal?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 03, 2007, 11:17:43 AM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Care to provide any evidence of this? or are you just disagreeing with me on principal?

The evidence is looking through the telescope and using something that we RE'ers call Common Sense.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on January 03, 2007, 11:22:15 AM
So you're just disagreeing with me on principal. Right.

You're really going to have to come up with something better than that if you want to prove to me, and thousands of astronomers the world over, that satellites are actually distinguishable through the lens of a telescope.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 03, 2007, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
So you're just disagreeing with me on principal. Right.

I'm not really sure how you came to this conclusion... Seams really to be the other way around.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

You're really going to have to come up with something better than that if you want to prove to me, and thousands of astronomers the world over, that satellites are actually distinguishable through the lens of a telescope.

Why? Looking through a telescope has worked fine so far.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on January 03, 2007, 12:08:57 PM
I say this because your only argument against what I'm saying is "You can't be right, because you're wrong".
You have failed thus far to provide a single piece of evidence demonstrating that satellites are visible as anything more than fast moving specks of light through the lens of a telescope. You have even failed to provide any evidence that you yourself have ever even used a telescope, much less viewed satellites through one.

If you wish to say that every astronomer or anyone else who has ever used a telescope is wrong you must provide evidence beyond saying "You're wrong". Otherwise the statement is meaningless.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 03, 2007, 12:23:53 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
I say this because your only argument against what I'm saying is "You can't be right, because you're wrong".

Okay, it's like this: I say the sky is blue; you say the sky is green. What is there to discuss?
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

You have failed thus far to provide a single piece of evidence demonstrating that satellites are visible as anything more than fast moving specks of light through the lens of a telescope.

No, the evidence is still looking through a telescope. You can observe satellites and make out certain qualities of a satllite, such as antennas. If  you have an even better telescope, you could probably make out the entire satellite.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
You have even failed to provide any evidence that you yourself have ever even used a telescope, much less viewed satellites through one.

Well this is not the topic, is it?
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

If you wish to say that every astronomer or anyone else who has ever used a telescope is wrong you must provide evidence beyond saying "You're wrong". Otherwise the statement is meaningless.

The sky is blue; Not green. You can observe satellites, that planets are round, that gravity exist, that the sun is the center of the solar system and meteors with a telescope, jackass. -_- This is not even discussable!
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: TheEngineer on January 03, 2007, 12:32:00 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"

No, the evidence is still looking through a telescope. You can observe satellites and make out certain qualities of a satllite, such as antennas.

Really?  What kind of telescope allows that?  Do you have any evidence this is true?
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on January 03, 2007, 12:33:26 PM
Quote from: "Xargo"

Okay, it's like this: I say the sky is blue; you say the sky is green. What is there to discuss?

It's not at all like that. You're saying: Satellite exist, and you can see this with a telescope. I'm saying: satellites may or may not exist, but you cannot see this with a telescope. I'm not denying the possibility that they exist, I am simply saying that your method of proving this is wrong.
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No, the evidence is still looking through a telescope. You can observe satellites and make out certain qualities of a satllite, such as antennas. If  you have an even better telescope, you could probably make out the entire satellite.

No Xargo, you can't even make out that level of detail on the International Space Station. The only telescopes powerful enough to see what you're describing are far too powerful to view satellites with in the first place.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 03, 2007, 12:33:36 PM
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Really?  What kind of telescope allows that?  Do you have any evidence this is true?

I have the experience, just as hundreds of thousands of other people with telescopes, jackass.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 03, 2007, 12:36:44 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

It's not at all like that. You're saying: Satellite exist, and you can see this with a telescope. I'm saying: satellites may or may not exist, but you cannot see this with a telescope.

Exactly my point.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
I'm not denying the possibility that they exist, I am simply saying that your method of proving this is wrong.

This claim is obviously false unless you have ever observed a satellite through a telescope; Then you're just being a jackass. Neither would surprise me.
Quote from: "GeoGuy"

No Xargo, you can't even make out that level of detail on the International Space Station. The only telescopes powerful enough to see what you're describing are far too powerful to view satellites with in the first place.

Wow, that's strange, I could've sworn I've observed  satellites through my own telescope just fine on several occasions!
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: GeoGuy on January 03, 2007, 12:42:14 PM
How many times must I repeat this Xargo? I have observed satellites many times through my telescope. I viewed them under clear atmospheric conditions, with very little light pollution.

Satellites, when viewed through a telescope, appear as small specks of light moving quickly across your field of view. No degree of detail is visible whatsoever.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: Xargo on January 03, 2007, 12:44:32 PM
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
How many times must I repeat this Xargo? I have observed satellites many times through my telescope. I viewed them under clear atmospheric conditions, with very little light pollution.

Satellites, when viewed through a telescope, appear as small specks of light moving quickly across your field of view. No degree of detail is visible whatsoever.

Then it's your telescope, not telescopes, Geo.
Title: hm
Post by: sodapop112 on January 04, 2007, 07:30:03 PM
maby you have to change the focus of it a little. or zoom in more. or get a job and stop being such a hippie and afford a good one.
Title: satellite visibility
Post by: spherical sun on January 07, 2007, 07:15:57 PM
the satellites shouldn't be visible in detail because according to the government they orbit at 700-800km and 30000-40000km....look around thats what nasa claims... beside if a 10ft objects moving at the supposed 16,000 or so miles per hour you couldn't get a good "picture" of the "satellite"
Title: Re: hm
Post by: GeoGuy on January 07, 2007, 07:18:29 PM
Quote from: "sodapop112"
maby you have to change the focus of it a little. or zoom in more. or get a job and stop being such a hippie and afford a good one.

I don't think you have any idea what does or does not constitute a good telescope.
Title: Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?
Post by: spherical sun on January 07, 2007, 07:21:12 PM
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Quote from: "yop69g"

1. Earth is not a perfect sphere and Moon influences Earth's gravity as well.

2. Why "gravity" ? How is it constant ? What does it prove ? Constant and perfect things in science have reveleaded themselves to be FALSE after re-examination. There's nothing perfect, not even in science. If your "gravity" is constant, always the same, perfect!, it means that it's more likely to be false.

3. I explained why there's gravity and how it manifests in our world. Nothing else than gravity can explain phenomens like why does the apple dropped on this guy's head. Also, You guys with your FE theory assume that the Earth is flat because you have incomplete proofs and possibilities, not even probabilities about its flatness.

4. Go to Uni and you'll catch up the fundamentals : high school physics aren't enough in order to discuss about complicated science ;)

2.  The speed of light is constant, always the same, perfect.  Does this mean it is false?
3.  The apple falls due to acceleration.  As gravity=acceleration.


what about the universal gravitational constant... thats a  gravity constant...just to add...its 6.67300 10-11 m3 kg-1 s-2