its called capatilism my friend
Looking back at projects like MK Ultra and the regiems in Japan, mind control seems to be a recurring aim for governments.
I'm wondering to what extent it could feasibly exist, and if it does exist, to what extent is it being used.
Mind Control and Manipulation
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Spiritism, Theosophy & Demonic Manifestations
'The Spiritist Fallacy' by Rene Guenon
www.sophiaperennis.com/guenon_spiritistfallacy.html
www.sophiaperennis.com/guenon_spiritistfallacy_toc.html
International Theosophical Network
'Theosophy: History of a Pseudo-Religion' by Rene Guenon
www.sophiaperennis.com/guenon_theosophy.html
www.sophiaperennis.com/guenon_theosophy_toc.html
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Sigmund Freud and Occult Judaism (1856-1939)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud
Zohar Kabbalah the Centrepeice of Modern Psychiatry
www.cyberummah.org/english/index.htm
Many writers (from varied backgrounds such as Rene Guenon and Dave Breese) have noted that most of the founders and leading persons of modern disciplines are Jewish. The truth of the matter is this is not an accident. The fact that the founder of modern psychiatry was Jewish is due to the fact that he was given this position by a Jewish secret society which effectively controls most of the modern world. The most authoritative biography of Sigmund Freud is 'Sigmund Freud and the Jewish Mystical Tradition' by David Bakan. In addition to significant biographical information about Freud such as his zionist philosophy and activism, agnosticism, and cocaine addiction, the thesis of this detailed and informative book is the solidly documented case that Freud did not invent modern psychoanalysis, but modeled it as a practical extension of the Kabbalah of esoteric judaism, the zohar in particular. As Freud was jewish and familiar with the kabbalah from his own education these facts of the origin of psychiatry should surprise no one:
http://store.yahoo.com/doverpublications/0486437671.html
The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times by Rene Guenon (1945)
Chapter 34 - The Misdeeds of Psychoanalysis
www.sophiaperennis.com/guenon_reign_toc.html
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Carl Jung and Pagan Occultism (1875-1961)
Carl Jung and Nazi Eugenics
Jung and Occult Sex Rituals
As with the founders of the Bolshevik government of Russia (including Lenin), the founders of modern psychiatry were overwhelmingy Jewish. Carl Gustav Jung was chosen as a public figure to present psychiatry to the world in order to obscure the thoroughly Jewish origin of modern psychiatry. Sigmund Freud actually verbalised this purpose. 'The Aryan Christ' by psychiatrist Richard Noll is the defintive account of Carl Jung, and the book exposes in great detail the occult origins and nature of modern psychiatry. Professor Noll is an atheist which gives him credibility against any accusation that the book would be written with a religious motive. The following link is a detailed description of 'The Aryan Christ' by Richard Noll and contains a great deal of unseemly information concerning Carl Jung:
www.dhushara.com/book/jung/archr.htm
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International Congress on Mental Health (1944-1948)
Toxic Psychiatry
Psychiatrist Professor Peter Breggin's excellent books are so well established they can be obtained from book dealers like Barnes & Noble and Borders. 'Toxic Psychiatry' is perhaps his best book, but he has authored and collaborated on many (including one book on psychiatry's historical association with National Socialist Germany and a number of other dictatorships). The book has references to much other useful information on the subject, by Breggin and others. The following link to a dealer of autographed books by Peter Breggin:
www.breggin.com/prbbooks.html
www.breggin.com/Toxicpsych.html
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Mind Control
www.mindcontrolforums.com/project-paperclip4.htm
Central Intelligence Agency and Mind Control
www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol
CIA's Project MK-ULTRA
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~alb/misc/mindControlDenial.html
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/ckln-hm.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK-ULTRA
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/CIA_MK-ULTRA_experiments_on_children.htm
'History of MK-ULTRA' by Eric Jewell
www.wintersteel.com/files/ShanaArticles/MKULTRA.htm
MK-ULTRA and Manchurian Candidates
http://spychiatrists.cyberummah.org/eir_british_psychiatry_eugenics.htm
NASA and CIA Mind Control Research Facilities
www.trance-formation.com
The CIA's MK- ULTRA mind control program was functioning before NASA was founded as a surrogate of the CIA. NASA and the CIA brainwashed certain men from the United States military as mind control subjects. The weak mindedness of many of these "astronauts" is apparent in their lives. Buzz Aldrin's fragile mentality and his time spent in mental institutions is a case in point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin
Also noteworthy in this respect is Neil Armstrong's reclusiveness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong
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Disinformation and Propaganda
İnformation Control
War Propaganda
Zionist Propaganda - Holocaust Claims & Other Disinformation
Founts of Propaganda: Churches
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Conduits of Mind Control - Universities and Government Education Systems
The university system throughout the World is a social and mind control mechanism of the CIA and allied organizations. Universities were used for this purpose throughout the renaissance as well. The policies of Oxford and Cambridge during the reign of Queen Elizabeh I were subject to approval and influence by Francis Walsingham, William Cecil's chief agent and the founder of the British secret service. Modern universities were first created by papist scholastics (who were in turn modeled on Saracen schools of learning) who were distinguished by virtue of the fact that they separated Theology from reason - creating a new way of thinking and philosophy unknown to early Christians.
Universities are the scabs western europe has imposed on the modern World. Universities were initially imposed throughout the world by way of colonialism. Colonialism continues through the conquest of the mind and soul as when most of the countries of the World were freed from the shackles of European colonialism during the latter twentieth century, most of them received neocolonial dictatorships in its palce as the leaders of the new governments were first trained and indoctrinated in european and american universities.
The CIA On Campus
www.cia-on-campus.org
The CIA Off Campus
www.southendpress.org/2005/items/CIAcl
Unitarian Universalists, perhaps the most anti-Christian form of protestantism, has controlled government schools in the United States since the mid-nineteenth century to such an extent that american schools are effectively Unitarian parochial schools.
National Education Association and Unitarianism
www.sntp.net/education/education_mafia.htm
Is Public Education Necessary?
www.howtotutor.com/sam-bks.htm
Through control of education, secret societies exercise great control of the minds of most people - particularly the so-called educated. The upper crust - the top 20% - of a modern society like america's are the most thoroughly brainwashed in order that the principle levers of power and influence are in the hands of persons who will not be an obstacle to the sect which directs the whole.
Masonic Control of Universities
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'Necessary Illusions: Thought Control and Democratic Societies' by Noam Chomsky:
www.zmag.org/Chomsky/ni/ni-overview.html
capitalism is mind control to keep the masses subdued, this is done through alientaion, mythology and mass media
we are all guided by our commodity fetishsim for things we dont need, made by people that dont need them and often cant afford them
viva la revolution
we are all guided by our commodity fetishsim for things we dont need, made by people that dont need them and often cant afford them
Technology shall be encouraged, but viewed routinely with suspicion. No new technology shall be permitted that has not been closely examined to affirm that the overall real potential benefits to society greatly outweigh any perceived risks.
Usury shall be criminalized. Being viewed as a Violence against Nature and Neighbor, Dante placed usurers in the 7th ring of hell, deeper even than murderers. This is because traditionally, an attack upon a man's ability to sustain himself and his family is seen as equal to an attack upon his life.
Corporations shall be abolished. Men will no longer be able to find protection for their criminal acts under the shield of the 'corporate entity'. All men will be directly responsible for their acts, good and bad. Greed shall be curbed by disallowing 'chains' or multiple business locations; every man (even those of limited ability) will have a chance to be an owner of their own business.
Property tax shall be abolished. "If you pay property tax," says Belloc, "then you do not really own the land; you merely lease it from the government." Traditionally, the local government may laim a tithe share of the produce of the land, but only in the form of the produce, not cash. If your land has no produce, or the produce is only subsistent for you, no government may levy you. Higher government has no claim to your land, but can only levy local government.
A man's home property and business property shall be immune from any seizure by any party, including debt and taxes.
Advertising shall be prohibited. Products will compete exclusively by word-of-mouth and personal reputation, preventing a consumerist, materialist mentality to the culture and marketplace.
Lawsuits shall be limited in duration to one day, awards limited to a portion of a man's discretionary resources. The failed party in a lawsuit shall pay all court costs. Lawyers may work by fixed fee only, not percentage.
All utilities, especially roads, shall be re-designed with the principal end of serving and safeguarding families and children. Roads shall be designed principally for pedestrians and non-engine driven vehicles. With the exception of limited access highways, automotive vehicle access shall be restricted, and shall yield to other traffic needs, rather than the vice versa. Roads shall be redesigned to remove residences from direct contact with public roads.
I mean like what was being attempted in MK-ULTRA. Whereby a drug could bea administered and someone could be completely controlled. all "covert" control is suggestion. but the more overt stuff doesnt have to be. we're in alternative science after all.
1. The capital'isms' that they put out there are not rational capitalism...taking that a step further, if you don't want to work for a particular wage, you don't have to work.
QuoteCorporations shall be abolished. Men will no longer be able to find protection for their criminal acts under the shield of the 'corporate entity'. All men will be directly responsible for their acts, good and bad. Greed shall be curbed by disallowing 'chains' or multiple business locations; every man (even those of limited ability) will have a chance to be an owner of their own business.
Even the incompetent? Why should I let them take my business?
Which helps small business how? Just a note* be careful of any group who says they want to prohibit something. Usually this thing is what will break their system. And in this case it is, that thing is the human want. Humans want the best, and they want it justly. There is nothing wrong with wanting to better yourself or society.
Eh? Murder cases are tried in one day? Who is the jury? It takes time to get juror's assembled. It takes time to present evidence. And then, when all is said and done, the only punishment possible is payment? So, I could PAY to have someone killed LEGALLY? Brilliant system here.
If everyone has a business of the same size, and land is distributed fairly there would be no small businesses.= communism. i cant belive there are still communist countries. they should make themselfs democracies and rig the elections.
Communism and democracy anrt necesarily mutually exclusive anyway.
Middle Ages Europe
Most of Middle Earth
If I may respond for Dionysious on a few points...Quote from: "Astantia"1. The capital'isms' that they put out there are not rational capitalism...taking that a step further, if you don't want to work for a particular wage, you don't have to work.
As long as the government pays you enough to live, then you have a choice. However, choosing between working for a particular wage and dying is not a choice at all.Quote from: "Astantia"QuoteCorporations shall be abolished. Men will no longer be able to find protection for their criminal acts under the shield of the 'corporate entity'. All men will be directly responsible for their acts, good and bad. Greed shall be curbed by disallowing 'chains' or multiple business locations; every man (even those of limited ability) will have a chance to be an owner of their own business.
Even the incompetent? Why should I let them take my business?
Justice. Corrupt companies would not exist, as "all men will be directly responsible for their acts". Corrupt businessmen will be arrested, leaving only honest traders.QuoteWhich helps small business how? Just a note* be careful of any group who says they want to prohibit something. Usually this thing is what will break their system. And in this case it is, that thing is the human want. Humans want the best, and they want it justly. There is nothing wrong with wanting to better yourself or society.
If everyone has a business of the same size, and land is distributed fairly there would be no small businesses.QuoteEh? Murder cases are tried in one day? Who is the jury? It takes time to get juror's assembled. It takes time to present evidence. And then, when all is said and done, the only punishment possible is payment? So, I could PAY to have someone killed LEGALLY? Brilliant system here.
I think the British legal system is different from the U.S system. Here there there is no need for a lawsuit to be filed for a murder case. But I'm no lawyer (otherwise I wouldn't be on the FES ;) )
Note that I don't support distributism, I'm just giving defending Dionysius.
Hmmm ok first of all Slavery does not work, it is uneconomical, the Romans realised it, the British realised it and the Americans realised it.
First of all if you have slavery it takes jobs away from "free" men, secondly slaves are generally demotivated, and finally, the most important reason, is that with slaves you have a duty of care to feed and house them. With an employee you pay them pittance and they have to fight for whatever scraps they can.
....unless the worlds power is concentrated into one man this would not work....
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Seriously, this is a year old. Why the fuck did you bring it up?
Then it isn't a democracy.Quote from: Saint RaistNo the dictatorships rigged the elections. A democracy with rigged elections is not a democracy.Every significant election in a democracy is rigged and always has been.
http://leftbooks.com/store/product100.html
The following classic 1944 book by hindu traditionalist Ananda Coomaraswamy which advocated a return to widespread illiteracy concludes with an excellent chapter which is seemingly the definitive denunciation of democracy:
http://www.fonsvitae.com/bugbearliteracy.html
As to mind controlled slaves, the second most informative I have run across is Project Monarch (a spinoff from Sid Gottlieb's CIA Project MK Ultra) survivor Cathy O'Brien. Her websites and some quotes from her uncensored book 'TRANCE-formation of America' which is by far the most damning book I have ever read about Reagan, Clinton, or Bush. I would say that all the Clinton scandals of the 1990's were deliberately leaked and escalated by the controllers of the media simply in order to obscure this 1995 book exposing mind control:
http://www.trance-formation.com/
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280183.shtml
Every significant election in a democracy is rigged and always has been.
...Cathy O'Brien. Her websites and some quotes from her uncensored book 'TRANCE-formation of America'...
Your opinion has nothing to back it. Take some .44 caliber aspirin and get back to me in the morning.Quote from: Saint RaistThen it isn't a democracy.
We can agree to disagree and it could be primarily semantics, but I believe that the very idea that the majority can rule is self-deceptive to those who embrace it. Democracy is the most disguised, the most inverse of what it purports to be, and has aalways been the most degenerate form of goernment. Monarchies can be bad - there are bad kings and good kings (mostly bad throughout history), but there is no such thing as a good democracy.
Your opinion has nothing to back it. Take some .44 caliber aspirin and get back to me in the morning.Mids impregnated himself? :o
Nope. I'm the product of poorly scheduled rhythm method.Your opinion has nothing to back it. Take some .44 caliber aspirin and get back to me in the morning.Mids impregnated himself? :o
Those newspapers are the only ones with the balls to speak the truth! >:(Every significant election in a democracy is rigged and always has been.
lol, wtf no they're not....Cathy O'Brien. Her websites and some quotes from her uncensored book 'TRANCE-formation of America'...
dude, seriously, WTF? :o are you serious??? you shouldn't believe a single thing you read in a book with the title 'TRANCE-formation of America'. IT'S NOT A CLEVER PUN! that's like a headline you'd expect to see in a crappy newspaper that has tits on page 3. you have to pay attention to the little details in things, especially when you're getting facts from these things. :P
Then it isn't a democracy.
Yes we are totally fascist ::)Then it isn't a democracy.
Which is why many people view the US as fascist. Which also proves my ideology essay.
Um, the US falls in line with many setups and stances that fascism has. Hence, if you are under the belief that elections are rigged, or that politicians are puppets, the US can be considered fascist. If I still had my essay, I'd use the arguments I had in it, complete with sources. Sadly, I have no idea why it's not still on my hard drive.Falling in line with many of the setups does not make it fascist.
We lack totalitarianism and are not that intolerant of others.
Then it isn't a democracy.
Which is why many people view the US as fascist. Which also proves my ideology essay.
All power to the Hypno Toad.(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/hypno-toad/hypnotoad.jpg)
It is. Every single thing Bush and his crowd have done since he took office mirrors the German campaign that lead to Hitler becoming the dude in charge. History repeats itself.
Example:
the U.S. - It's a planfile, not a movie.
A country becomes bad when a government stops listening to it's people and does what it wishes. America is guilty of this, Britain is worse because thanks to Tony Blair and co they sheepishly followed "The American way".Into a war the public did not want. Politics seem to slide only one way.
Yeah, I seem to remember Blair looking for public support on this issue, got none, and said, "fuck it, I'm doing it anyway."Asides usual political waffle a PM says and never does, he did tell Bush he wasn't being his bitch like the last PM, so he's better than Blair on that note.
Nothing to do with our people, just the government.
However, I will remain on the fence about Gordon Brown for now.
its called capatilism my friend
Communism didnt work during the Cold War as it wasnt implemented properly.
Hmmm ok first of all Slavery does not work, it is uneconomical, the Romans realised it, the British realised it and the Americans realised it.
First of all if you have slavery it takes jobs away from "free" men, secondly slaves are generally demotivated, and finally, the most important reason, is that with slaves you have a duty of care to feed and house them. With an employee you pay them pittance and they have to fight for whatever scraps they can.
Don't let anyone tell you that Lincoln abolished slavery because he was a good man, he did it for economical and political reasons (economical that i listed above, and politcally he wanted to weaken the south).
So thinking that Capitilism will end in a return to slavery is naive.QuoteMiddle Ages Europe
Most of Middle Earth
err middle earth? what/when is middle earth? i assume he is not talking about Tolkien.
anyway in the Middle ages he with the biggest sword and the most friends was the one who was the "owner" and he simply divided out his "property" amongst those that fought for him. that would be the feudal system.
but enough talk about this Distributism which in my eyes seem pretty Marxist but with religion (i believe the term is a Theocracy?)
this topic is about Mind Control, not on political beliefs which there are hunderds of posts in this forum about already.
all the same, totalitarian governments like that crush invention and creativity, it would stagnate the world, never mind that mind control would also crush invention and creativity.... unless the worlds power is concentrated into one man this would not work, because if it were two men, they are both going to be afraid of the other taking his power, therefore he will need bigger and better weaponary, etc.
Also the economic cost of keeping a significant part of the world under "mind control" would probably be very large. Which is probably why the world powers opt for a more general passive mind control as they do now via propaganda and the media.
Your opinion has nothing to back it. Take some .44 caliber aspirin and get back to me in the morning.
Your opinion has nothing to back it. Take some .44 caliber aspirin and get back to me in the morning.Mids impregnated himself? :o
Democracy is the most disguised, the most inverse of what it purports to be, and has aalways been the most degenerate form of goernment.
But, hey, I'm making all this up.
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!
Do you have any evidence to support your spurious claims?C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!
too long; didnt read
But I am you! So we are three people. w00t.Your opinion has nothing to back it. Take some .44 caliber aspirin and get back to me in the morning.Mids impregnated himself? :o
Raist is Midnight? Why wasn't I informed?
The lack of his response having to do with the last post is proof.Do you have any evidence to support your spurious claims?C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!
too long; didnt read
I can control minds. I am Matt Parkman.
No, you just think you were. I made you think it.