Let me know if I miss anything.
If only FE scientists even could get past the very first question... :-\The first one's pretty trivial. Most of them are really, it's REers that struggle to read the answers.
How do stars all maintain a constant angular distance from each other? (can be combined with the bit about rotating around two poles, i.e. how do they rotate around two poles whilst maintaining a constant distance from each other?)Will be added.
Also: How do the Sun/Moon maintain a constant size as they travel across the sky?
Why does the Sun rise due East for every observer on the Equinox?
As round earthers typically just make the same few arguments endlessly..
If only FE scientists even could get past the very first question... :-\The first one's pretty trivial. Most of them are really, it's REers that struggle to read the answers.
That's typically because the facts don't change. An explanation for sunrise/sunset is the same today as it will be in a thousand years time.What are you talking about? I pretty obviously stated I'm making this thread as a reference, not as an attack on RET.
We aren't dealing with mysteries here, ya know?
Secondly, the fact that the arguments don't change is a point for RE. If the explanation for a sunrise/sunset changes every day like it does for a FE depending on which crackpot you ask, that in and of itself would make the position for a RE rather tenuous, wouldn't it?
FE arguments summarised:-False. maybe if you REers would stop spamming the same few arguments hundreds of times you'd see the FE threads that get ignored and die around for a bit longer.
It looks flat.
I'll be honest, I don't really care. I find this entertaining and nothing else. The shape of the planet is established and evidenced. Anyone can find out for themselves. Even if the illuminati announce tomorrow the earth is flat, how is your life going to change? Is this really that important?Then stop posting.
Please add: Why is aviation dependent on round earth (all pilot training materials and examinations, planning, navigation, instrumentation, maps,Already have distances there, added flight times and flight paths. That all seems to just be appealing to one of the three.
VHF range, radar, etc) and cannot work on flat earth?
Please add: Why is aviation dependent on round earth (all pilot training materials and examinations, planning, navigation, instrumentation, maps,Already have distances there, added flight times and flight paths. That all seems to just be appealing to one of the three.
VHF range, radar, etc) and cannot work on flat earth?
The aviation question is more general than distances etc - it's: why does all aviation (military, commercial and private) operate on the basis the earth is round?Added the radio point, but this seems to just be the same question. I have a few repeats in there because they alter focus, but the issue with this question is that 'why does aviation operate this way?' is literally the same as 'why are the flight paths of aviation like this?' etc. The way they operate is their paths and distances and communications.
The aviation question is more general than distances etc - it's: why does all aviation (military, commercial and private) operate on the basis the earth is round?Added the radio point, but this seems to just be the same question. I have a few repeats in there because they alter focus, but the issue with this question is that 'why does aviation operate this way?' is literally the same as 'why are the flight paths of aviation like this?' etc. The way they operate is their paths and distances and communications.
Aviation, and the routes/distances/communications are basically synonymous. Software, map projections, observations, measurements... All that's just repeating the same point and doing so more explicitly than the usual refocusing, so I'm not including it.The aviation question is more general than distances etc - it's: why does all aviation (military, commercial and private) operate on the basis the earth is round?Added the radio point, but this seems to just be the same question. I have a few repeats in there because they alter focus, but the issue with this question is that 'why does aviation operate this way?' is literally the same as 'why are the flight paths of aviation like this?' etc. The way they operate is their paths and distances and communications.
I haven't articulated it well - I'm trying to get at a wider point than just flight paths. The whole culture - and that it all works perfectly with round earth, the software, the map projections, the observations, the measurements, everything a pilot is taught in ground school, in the air, in the simulators - and beyond that the industry is huge, technicians, designers, engineers, air trafffic control, equipment manufacture etc. 10 million people work in the aviation industry globally. How can all these people operate effectively and safely if they are wrong about the earth shape? Aviation as we know it wouldn't work with flat earth - its a bigger question but not sure how to word it.
Aviation, and the routes/distances/communications are basically synonymous. Software, map projections, observations, measurements... All that's just repeating the same point and doing so more explicitly than the usual refocusing, so I'm not including it.The aviation question is more general than distances etc - it's: why does all aviation (military, commercial and private) operate on the basis the earth is round?Added the radio point, but this seems to just be the same question. I have a few repeats in there because they alter focus, but the issue with this question is that 'why does aviation operate this way?' is literally the same as 'why are the flight paths of aviation like this?' etc. The way they operate is their paths and distances and communications.
I haven't articulated it well - I'm trying to get at a wider point than just flight paths. The whole culture - and that it all works perfectly with round earth, the software, the map projections, the observations, the measurements, everything a pilot is taught in ground school, in the air, in the simulators - and beyond that the industry is huge, technicians, designers, engineers, air trafffic control, equipment manufacture etc. 10 million people work in the aviation industry globally. How can all these people operate effectively and safely if they are wrong about the earth shape? Aviation as we know it wouldn't work with flat earth - its a bigger question but not sure how to word it.
How those people operate is only a question when the planes are flying. The shape of the Earth has no relevance to the manufacture of a plane, just what it does when it's in flight, and all of what it does in flight is currently listed.
Fair enough - maybe the question is: How millions of people relying on a round earth for their jobs can be wrong? Or how is it that there are so many highly intelligent and highly trained people being hoodwinked? But that a comparative handful of people on the internet can see the "truth"?Like I said, this thread is to list the arguments, not debate them.
The other question I have is "so what?". If someone came up with proof of flat earth tomorrow, then so be it. I've still got to go to work and pay my bills, my plans his weekend won't change. Whose lives will be affected if we wake up one morning to news of flat earth? And how will it change?
Fair enough - maybe the question is: How millions of people relying on a round earth for their jobs can be wrong? Or how is it that there are so many highly intelligent and highly trained people being hoodwinked? But that a comparative handful of people on the internet can see the "truth"?Like I said, this thread is to list the arguments, not debate them.
The other question I have is "so what?". If someone came up with proof of flat earth tomorrow, then so be it. I've still got to go to work and pay my bills, my plans his weekend won't change. Whose lives will be affected if we wake up one morning to news of flat earth? And how will it change?
If you don't care one way or the other about FET then stop wasting everybody's time on this site. It's pointless to post here if you don't care enough to put any effort in.
Even if the illuminati announce tomorrow the earth is flat, how is your life going to change? Is this really that important?
Even if the illuminati announce tomorrow the earth is flat, how is your life going to change? Is this really that important?
Ah yes, the mark of an idiot.
Most likely a shill though.
You wouldnt care that your leaders are all lying to your face and laughing behind at you behind your back?
K bro.
Yeah, that shouldnt change your outlook on life at alllll. Riiiiight.
Fair enough - maybe the question is: How millions of people relying on a round earth for their jobs can be wrong? Or how is it that there are so many highly intelligent and highly trained people being hoodwinked? But that a comparative handful of people on the internet can see the "truth"?Like I said, this thread is to list the arguments, not debate them.
The other question I have is "so what?". If someone came up with proof of flat earth tomorrow, then so be it. I've still got to go to work and pay my bills, my plans his weekend won't change. Whose lives will be affected if we wake up one morning to news of flat earth? And how will it change?
If you don't care one way or the other about FET then stop wasting everybody's time on this site. It's pointless to post here if you don't care enough to put any effort in.
You misunderstand - I care about the interesting discussion, the ideas proposed, finding out about new stuff, the humour and the psychology.
I'm a little tiny person, and locally on this collosal planet it doesn't make the slightest difference to my life if the earth is flat, round, square, tesseract or virtual reality. But that doesn't lessen the enjoyment of this site.
Anyway I'll leave it there - good luck with the list. Hopefully it can form the basis of a set of requirements that some clever FE folk can address in a working model.
Even if the illuminati announce tomorrow the earth is flat, how is your life going to change? Is this really that important?
Ah yes, the mark of an idiot.
Most likely a shill though.
You wouldnt care that your leaders are all lying to your face and laughing behind at you behind your back?
K bro.
Yeah, that shouldnt change your outlook on life at alllll. Riiiiight.
"Shill' - lol. The mark of an FE idiot - such a cop out to deflect in this manner.
In specific terms, how has your day to day life changed since you started believing in flat earth? Spending more time doing "research" on the internet doesn't count. What actually has changed in your life?
And what is the nature of your fight to topple the lying leaders and expose the truth? You lot all talk the talk - but you're just wittering on to each other in your little echo chambers calling anyone that disagrees with your odd views a shill. What actual good are you doing?
Even if the illuminati announce tomorrow the earth is flat, how is your life going to change? Is this really that important?
Ah yes, the mark of an idiot.
Most likely a shill though.
You wouldnt care that your leaders are all lying to your face and laughing behind at you behind your back?
K bro.
Yeah, that shouldnt change your outlook on life at alllll. Riiiiight.
"Shill' - lol. The mark of an FE idiot - such a cop out to deflect in this manner.
In specific terms, how has your day to day life changed since you started believing in flat earth? Spending more time doing "research" on the internet doesn't count. What actually has changed in your life?
And what is the nature of your fight to topple the lying leaders and expose the truth? You lot all talk the talk - but you're just wittering on to each other in your little echo chambers calling anyone that disagrees with your odd views a shill. What actual good are you doing?
You failed to answer my question, Mr. Cop out.
there are multiple anti-RE arguments on the first pages of FEG and FED right now anyway.
Aviation, and the routes/distances/communications are basically synonymous. Software, map projections, observations, measurements... All that's just repeating the same point and doing so more explicitly than the usual refocusing, so I'm not including it.The aviation question is more general than distances etc - it's: why does all aviation (military, commercial and private) operate on the basis the earth is round?Added the radio point, but this seems to just be the same question. I have a few repeats in there because they alter focus, but the issue with this question is that 'why does aviation operate this way?' is literally the same as 'why are the flight paths of aviation like this?' etc. The way they operate is their paths and distances and communications.
I haven't articulated it well - I'm trying to get at a wider point than just flight paths. The whole culture - and that it all works perfectly with round earth, the software, the map projections, the observations, the measurements, everything a pilot is taught in ground school, in the air, in the simulators - and beyond that the industry is huge, technicians, designers, engineers, air trafffic control, equipment manufacture etc. 10 million people work in the aviation industry globally. How can all these people operate effectively and safely if they are wrong about the earth shape? Aviation as we know it wouldn't work with flat earth - its a bigger question but not sure how to word it.
How those people operate is only a question when the planes are flying. The shape of the Earth has no relevance to the manufacture of a plane, just what it does when it's in flight, and all of what it does in flight is currently listed.
Even if the illuminati announce tomorrow the earth is flat, how is your life going to change? Is this really that important?
Ah yes, the mark of an idiot.
Most likely a shill though.
You wouldnt care that your leaders are all lying to your face and laughing at you behind your back?
K bro.
Yeah, that shouldnt change your outlook on life at alllll. Riiiiight.
"Shill' - lol. The mark of an FE idiot - such a cop out to deflect in this manner.
In specific terms, how has your day to day life changed since you started believing in flat earth? Spending more time doing "research" on the internet doesn't count. What actually has changed in your life?
And what is the nature of your fight to topple the lying leaders and expose the truth? You lot all talk the talk - but you're just wittering on to each other in your little echo chambers calling anyone that disagrees with your odd views a shill. What actual good are you doing?
You failed to answer my question, Mr. Cop out.
I thought the answer was implied? Do I care leaders lie to us? Yes and no. It's been happening for millennia. It will keep happening long after we are gone. Does it affect my life? Not sure - it was the world I was born into. Will a flat earth forum disrupt the highest levels of power? No. So in summary - no, I don't care. I'm not apathetic, but a centuries old problem does not take precendece over day to day stuff I need to deal with.
It should take precedence.
The Nazis would love you, if you really don't care about governments lying.
Kenny - "Why am I going into this chamber"
Nazi - "Lollipops"
Kenny - "Ok, Ill go in, i've got better things to do than worry about the government lying to me."
How can the path and location of eclipses be predicted?
How can the path and location of eclipses be predicted?
Ask the ancient Chinese.
How can the path and location of eclipses be predicted?
Ask the ancient Chinese.
Im making the question for it to be put on the list.
Also, what the ancients could predicted about the eclipses (based on eclipse's recurrence) was the date of ocurrence, not the location where it can be visible..
How can the path and location of eclipses be predicted?
Ask the ancient Chinese.
Im making the question for it to be put on the list.
Also, what the ancients could predicted about the eclipses (based on eclipse's recurrence) was the date of ocurrence, not the location where it can be visible..
Sorry OP for going off topic.
The question shouldn't be on the list as the ancients could predict Lunar and Solar Eclipses on their Flat model.
You are spouting your Heliocentric nonsense again ::).
If the ancients could predict an eclipse then they could obviously predict the location .
If they could not predict the location then no one would be able to verify that their prediction is correct.
If the ancients got their predictions wrong they where put to death.
So one would assume they where accurate otherwise there wouldn't have been any ancient astronomers to make the said predictions that we know of to this day.
Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
It should take precedence.
The Nazis would love you, if you really don't care about governments lying.
Kenny - "Why am I going into this chamber"
Nazi - "Lollipops"
Kenny - "Ok, Ill go in, i've got better things to do than worry about the government lying to me."
I've also got better things to do than believe in lollipops. I'm not gullible and know there are lies.
But I'm not a hypocrite. Anyone that says they care about leaders lying should be doing something about it. What are you doing?
Just because you think the government would not do that, does not make the reality that they have the capability to do so dissapear.
It should take precedence.
The Nazis would love you, if you really don't care about governments lying.
Kenny - "Why am I going into this chamber"
Nazi - "Lollipops"
Kenny - "Ok, Ill go in, i've got better things to do than worry about the government lying to me."
I've also got better things to do than believe in lollipops. I'm not gullible and know there are lies.
But I'm not a hypocrite. Anyone that says they care about leaders lying should be doing something about it. What are you doing?
I feel your statement is self-defeating.
Why do you think I am on here arguing with you, who so mindlessly alludes that I am a hypocrite.
I do my best to bring awareness through taping up flyers at police stations, talking to people on the street, and posting on social media online.
You do realize that lollipops was a metephor for death and mass murder right?
Surely, you can name what is more important than combating the potential death of many innocent people because you failed to realize the scale of government lies...
Just because you think the government would not do that, does not make the reality that they have the capability to do so dissapear.
Great list, I would also add something about Star trails in timelapse photographs. I'm still curious how those work on the flat earth model as well, I've seen a couple images of an explanation but haven't researched it enough.
To whoever was talking about aviation, all aviation is designed for flight over a stationary earth in a stationary, non-rotating atmosphere. Which is exactly what it is. Funny how the earth moves something like 700 mph beneath our feet yet it doesn't effect a single thing, from the air an inch above it, to planes, to the highest reaches of the atmosphere. Everything just "goes along" for all time, the air rotating perfectly with the sphere, despite there being no way to see this in lab or demonstrate it for yourself. Must take that one on complete faith.
BTW as an aside (haven't visited here in years) I'm surprised this website still allows the obvious people (trolls) that come here to support round earth and ridicule questioners. They only distract and confuse and do not belong here.
Great list, I would also add something about Star trails in timelapse photographs. I'm still curious how those work on the flat earth model as well, I've seen a couple images of an explanation but haven't researched it enough.And why would "aviation ... designed for flight over a stationary earth" be any different from aviation is designed for flight over a slowly rotating earth?
To whoever was talking about aviation, all aviation is designed for flight over a stationary earth in a stationary, non-rotating atmosphere. Which is exactly what it is.
Funny how the earth moves something like 700 mph beneath our feet yet it doesn't effect a single thing, from the air an inch above it, to planes, to the highest reaches of the atmosphere. Everything just "goes along" for all time, the air rotating perfectly with the sphere, despite there being no way to see this in lab or demonstrate it for yourself. Must take that one on complete faith.Really, since a lot of much smarter people than you quite readily accepted that the earth rotates 300 or 400 years ago and we don't get massive surface winds, so of course the atmosphere rotates with the earth.
BTW as an aside (haven't visited here in years) I'm surprised this website still allows the obvious people (trolls) that come here to support round earth and ridicule questioners. They only distract and confuse and do not belong here.Yes, flat earthers do seem easily confused. That may be because there is no one accepted model for the flat earth.
And why would "aviation ... designed for flight over a stationary earth" be any different from aviation is designed for flight over a slowly rotating earth?
Really, since a lot of much smarter people than you quite readily accepted that the earth rotates 300 or 400 years ago and we don't get massive surface winds, so of course the atmosphere rotates with the earth.
In any case why wouldn't it?
Yes, flat earthers do seem easily confused. That may be because there is no one accepted model for the flat earth.
At last count, there were three of four quite different "maps", but none correct and
about half-a-dozen different explanations for gravity, including good old Newtonian Gravitation.
Maybe you need Globe earth supporters to point out what is wrong with all the conflicting flat earth models.
Never quite got how any world government could be remotely competent enough to keep something of this magnitude a secret.It is an oft discussed subject here. You'll find many posts and even whole threads on the subject.
Never quite got how any world government could be remotely competent enough to keep something of this magnitude a secret.Neither could I, but without that sort of conspiracy there can be no flat earth, so they must believe it - true or not!
Place of the Conspiracy in FETIf it wasn't for this claimed conspiracy, these and thousands more like them would be very solid evidence of the Globe!
P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth
P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET
C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET is fabricated evidence
P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it
P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)
C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.
From: The Flat Earth Society Wiki, Place of the Conspiracy in FET (http://theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Place+of+the+Conspiracy+in+FET)
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